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| 04:08.24 | mheath | Bah |
| 04:08.32 | mheath | I was planning on getting a Mac next year |
| 04:08.42 | mheath | but apparently, they'll be switching to x86 in 2006. |
| 04:08.51 | mheath | I don't think I want an x86 Mac =\ |
| 04:09.17 | mrpull__ | the mac is a mac because of the hardware... |
| 04:09.29 | mrpull__ | did you think the switch to PPC was a bad thing? |
| 04:11.57 | mrpull__ | errr... the mac is a mac because of the software... NOT the hardware |
| 04:12.26 | mrpull__ | and the software is good because the hardware is locked down to a small set of variables |
| 04:15.45 | mheath | Actually |
| 04:15.59 | mheath | the PPC switch would have been a bad thing if Motorola would have kept their game up |
| 04:16.03 | mheath | the 68k line used to be amazing |
| 04:16.15 | mheath | but it had its day in the 1980's, not almost a decade later when the switch was made. |
| 04:16.36 | mheath | The PPC switch was a necessary switch from a dieing and outdated line of processors. |
| 04:16.44 | mrpull__ | I've heard that wozz chose the moto chips because they were giving them away at a computer show |
| 04:17.11 | mheath | They probably were |
| 04:17.35 | mheath | I have an early Motorola demo board my dad got for free. |
| 04:17.57 | mheath | 6800 processor (as opposed to 68000, which is what Macs used before the switch to PPC) |
| 04:18.15 | mheath | It was basically a demo board Motorola made to demonstrate the processor.... |
| 04:18.43 | mheath | Had a simple LED output, key based input that you entered a sort-of-assembly language into |
| 04:19.03 | mheath | JBUG (Motorola's Debbuger) on the ROM, 4K of RAM |
| 04:19.25 | mrpull__ | sounds like fun. did you ever make it do anything usefull? |
| 04:19.45 | mheath | It was a pet project of mine, I was working one extending it |
| 04:19.55 | mheath | Unfortunately, my friend was messing with it and broke a part of it |
| 04:20.14 | mrpull__ | rats |
| 04:20.17 | mheath | irriplacable, hasn't been manufactured for 30 years or sold for about 20 years. |
| 04:20.37 | mheath | I was going to add a memory controller to the thing, so I could expand its memory |
| 04:20.46 | mheath | and an S-100 bus |
| 04:21.34 | mheath | A hobbyist home-brew computer project |
| 04:21.40 | mheath | I was born in the wrong decade, I think |
| 04:21.49 | mheath | This is the kind of stuff geeky people used to do 30 years ago =\ |
| 04:22.05 | mrpull__ | some days I wish I was older in the simpler days |
| 04:22.22 | mheath | yeah |
| 04:22.33 | mheath | granted, my view of "simpler days" is probably a lot different than most peoples "simpler days" |
| 04:23.01 | mheath | My "simpler days" would be administrating a time sharing computer system in the 1960's :D |
| 04:23.30 | mheath | I would have loved to have been around for the early days of computing |
| 04:24.37 | mrpull__ | agreed |
| 04:25.28 | mheath | Not the 1950's though |
| 04:25.44 | mheath | I'm not the type of person they would have had running those batch processed IBM beasts |
| 04:25.59 | mrpull__ | i think the homebrew computer club would be my pick |
| 04:26.05 | mheath | yeah, definantly |
| 04:26.12 | mrpull__ | i wouldn't want to deal with punchcards |
| 04:26.13 | mheath | Have you ever read Steven Levvy's "Hackers"? |
| 04:26.18 | mrpull__ | no. |
| 04:26.24 | mheath | You should. |
| 04:26.35 | mrpull__ | i'll have to check it ou |
| 04:26.36 | mrpull__ | t |
| 04:26.50 | mheath | It goes a lot into the culture of both the MIT AI lab, and (on the west coast) a prominent homebrew computer club |
| 04:27.27 | mheath | Basically discusses prominent people/places/events in "hacker" (using the original sense of the word, not the newer "computer criminal" meaning) culture history |
| 04:28.05 | mrpull__ | the new BBS documentory looks good too |
| 04:28.44 | mrpull__ | http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/ |
| 04:28.54 | mheath | Yeah, I'm well aware of his stuff |
| 04:29.03 | mheath | I'm acquainted with Mr. Scott =\ |
| 04:29.18 | mrpull__ | really? personally? |
| 04:29.53 | mheath | I've talked to him several times. He knows me personally. |
| 04:30.26 | mrpull__ | cool. |
| 04:30.27 | mheath | Though I can't say he likes me very much. |
| 04:30.27 | mrpull__ | heh. |
| 04:30.27 | mheath | We had a disagreement |
| 04:30.42 | mheath | A few years ago I did a really, really, really insanely stupid interent radio show |
| 04:30.50 | mheath | Keep in mind I was like...12 at the time. |
| 04:30.59 | mheath | He mirrored it on audio.textfiles.com |
| 04:31.26 | mheath | I asked him to remove it about a year ago (I now find it really embarassing) and he refused. We had a big argument about it. |
| 04:31.55 | mrpull__ | ahhh... |
| 04:34.27 | mheath | Bah, I hate Gigabyte |
| 04:34.36 | mheath | It took them 2 weeks to give me an autoreply to an e-mail |
| 04:34.47 | mrpull__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.51 | mheath | Saying I'd get a real response soon. That was about a month ago, and I still haven't heard from them since. |
| 04:35.37 | mheath | I contacted them to ask them what their views on the Free Software Foundation's recent campaign for open bios' is. |
| 04:36.31 | mrpull__ | isn't apple one of the worst offenders for having a closed bios (despite being named othewise)? |
| 04:42.46 | mheath | Everyone's BIOS is closed |
| 04:42.46 | mheath | Apple is probably the best |
| 04:42.46 | mheath | Because, while the BIOS is closed, you can have full control over *everything* |
| 04:42.46 | mheath | You can do ANYTHING with openfirmware |
| 04:42.46 | mrpull__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:14.27 | brailsmt | that is a big step for a code monkey :) |
| 05:14.58 | brailsmt | and the laptop still works... (/me is typing on it right now) |
| 05:18.55 | TimRiker | mheath: everyone's is not closed. there are many embedded linux systems that have gpl or other opensource bootloaders, and no firmware. course there are many like the zaurus that are still not open. |
| 05:19.45 | TimRiker | few desktop systems. closest I can think of is the netwinder. |
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| 06:22.20 | Tene | so, question |
| 06:22.42 | Tene | Going to need to buy a wireless card for a desktop tomorrow |
| 06:22.43 | Maquis | so, answer |
| 06:23.18 | Tene | For putting linux on a box using some crazy usb-wifi device right now. |
| 06:23.34 | Tene | Which seems to be *very* poorly supported. |
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| 18:58.49 | sorenson__ | gah |
| 18:58.53 | sorenson__ | anyone else having power outages? |
| 19:03.20 | Newsome | ~lart Utah Power |
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| 19:47.19 | Tene | so, question. |
| 19:47.33 | Tene | need to buy a pci wifi card. |
| 19:47.55 | Tene | Recommendations for a card that plays nice with linux? |
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| 23:23.44 | goozbach | ouch that was fun |
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| 23:33.11 | tene | heya, goo |
| 23:34.22 | goozbach | zup? |
| 23:35.12 | tene | nm |
| 23:35.17 | tene | you use wifi? |
| 23:47.28 | goozbach | yup |
| 23:47.34 | goozbach | sometimes |
| 23:47.42 | tene | looking for a recommendation of a good pci wifi card for linux |
| 23:49.38 | goozbach | ohhh the intel 2200bg |
| 23:49.47 | goozbach | tis minipci |
| 23:50.07 | goozbach | but one of the best out there |