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| 00:00.35 | linuxalien | Yuppers |
| 00:00.39 | linuxalien | nothing wrong with that |
| 00:00.44 | linuxalien | anyhow - gonna get some food |
| 00:00.46 | linuxalien | cya |
| 00:02.43 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
| 00:02.50 | xbmodder_lappy | send me some |
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| 00:22.05 | xbmodder_lappy | lmao |
| 00:22.07 | xbmodder_lappy | what good? |
| 00:23.26 | linuxalien | Fish and noodles |
| 00:23.50 | xbmodder_lappy | yum |
| 00:24.06 | xbmodder_lappy | if food.taste==good: |
| 00:24.14 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.16 | xbmodder_lappy | else: |
| 00:24.21 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.40 | linuxalien | I love fish...too bad they suggest only eating it once or twice a week. |
| 00:25.15 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 00:28.58 | xbmodder_lappy | i have a way to get rid of it |
| 00:29.23 | linuxalien | Hmmm Eat humans? |
| 00:30.24 | goozbach | goldfish |
| 00:32.21 | linuxalien | Oooo Some of those get pretty big. I wonder what they taste like. :) |
| 00:33.25 | goozbach | not entirely unlike koy |
| 00:33.31 | xbmodder_lappy | linuxalien, actually |
| 00:34.05 | xbmodder_lappy | making an aquarium inside yoursefl |
| 00:34.08 | xbmodder_lappy | yourself |
| 00:37.22 | linuxalien | hehe That might work for one of those swammies in India but not for me. :P |
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| 01:56.36 | goozbach | any gentoo users around? |
| 01:57.00 | goozbach | I need a simple way of creating a simple image |
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| 01:58.22 | goozbach | eg an image for virtualization that only has the minimum for someone to connect to remotely and setup/install whatever else they want |
| 02:00.19 | mheath | virtualization? what do you mean? |
| 02:00.35 | goozbach | I'm running XEN |
| 02:00.39 | goozbach | as a host os |
| 02:00.52 | goozbach | I want to offer gentoo boxes as guests |
| 02:01.03 | goozbach | I need to create a default disk image |
| 02:01.23 | mheath | bah, no idea then =\ |
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| 02:02.38 | sanchiro | anyone else using realvnc, or other vnc variants? |
| 02:02.57 | sanchiro | I am running realvnc from winxp machine, connected to linux box... |
| 02:03.10 | goozbach | I use vnc sometimes |
| 02:03.18 | sanchiro | hoping to figure out how to go other direction....linux to xp |
| 02:03.33 | goozbach | install a vnc server on the windows box |
| 02:03.45 | goozbach | and vncviewer on the linux box |
| 02:04.11 | goozbach | can't help you much with the first |
| 02:04.22 | goozbach | but vncviewer is pretty straightforward |
| 02:04.29 | goozbach | which distro you running? |
| 02:07.30 | sanchiro | goozbach I have realvnc installed on the windows box....and I have a no-ip.info account set up for this windows machine too |
| 02:07.38 | sanchiro | debian 3.0 |
| 02:08.18 | sanchiro | it refuses to connect with linux TO windows connection attempt....both machines in this case are on same home net |
| 02:08.52 | sanchiro | what I hope to do is have no-ip.info provide access to windows box......so that when wife travels I can connect to her machine... |
| 02:11.01 | sanchiro | hmm |
| 02:12.37 | sanchiro | goozbach ? |
| 02:16.06 | goozbach | sorry |
| 02:16.22 | goozbach | 3 minutes too much to ask? |
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| 02:48.02 | levi-laptop | Anyone here tried USDTV? |
| 02:56.10 | TimRiker | I've tried UCSD Pascal. Does that count? |
| 02:56.43 | levi-laptop | Um, no. :) |
| 02:56.58 | levi-laptop | Wow, this sounds really cool: http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000403038814/ |
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| 03:07.43 | Newsome | So, is it supposed to be an iPOD or a phone? Looks like just another media player, connected to an oversize phone. |
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| 03:23.36 | levi-laptop | Newsome: It's a feature you can add to a phone, or an iPod, or whatever. |
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| 03:24.56 | levi-laptop | Newsome: It's basically cached streamed audio that plays through your car stereo via bluetooth, interspersed with up-to-date streamed audio about local traffic and such. |
| 03:28.04 | levi-laptop | Newsome: So it's similar to satellite radio, but with local content and cheaper, and also lets you play your own media and media purchased via subscription services through your car stereo without any cables. |
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| 03:45.05 | mrpull__ | this is dope |
| 03:45.06 | mrpull__ | http://www.gmaptrack.com/map/locations/24/44 |
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| 04:42.17 | Newsome | levi-laptop: It does sound more interesting than when I first looked at it. I guess I just haven't gotten into the current hype behind media players and services. I've already bought all the music I care to listen to, and I only listen to AM radio now (fed up with ClearStream etc.). |
| 04:43.13 | levi-laptop | Newsome: That's the whole point of this thing. It makes it easy to listen to your music in your car, and it lets you listen to non-ClearStream media streams you might actually like. |
| 04:43.18 | Newsome | I'm not about to pay for a service to choose my music for me. |
| 04:44.05 | Newsome | yeah, playing the things I've already got sounds like a nice benefit. |
| 04:44.47 | levi-laptop | There are several online radio stations I really like. If I could get them streamed into my car, even time-delayed, I'd be very happy. |
| 04:56.26 | Newsome | hmm, gotta reboot |
| 05:01.05 | fozz | levi-laptop: That does seem cool. |
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| 14:52.05 | vontrapp | how can you pipe a variable into a command without echo? |
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| 14:59.44 | vontrapp | echo kills newlines and i need them |
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| 15:12.09 | levi-laptop | Good morning. |
| 15:12.43 | Bradipo | vontrapp: What do you mean? |
| 15:12.48 | Bradipo | Example? |
| 15:16.55 | spr | vontrapp, echo won't kill new lines with the -e option |
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| 15:18.08 | dataw0lf|w | echo -e |
| 15:18.19 | dataw0lf|w | oh, nevermind :) |
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| 15:20.51 | vontrapp | spr, thx, that's what i want |
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| 16:14.06 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 16:18.17 | hans | any gotchas when running two versions of mysql on the same server? obviously you need a different port and file locations, and binary names etc. |
| 16:18.23 | hans | what about configuration? Anything else? |
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| 16:21.04 | mheath | There shouldn't be any problems |
| 16:43.32 | hans | in my.cnf you can do this, as of 4.0.14: [mysqld-4.0] |
| 16:43.40 | hans | (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/option-files.html) |
| 16:43.55 | hans | but it's not clear whether mysql 3.x will ignore that. (I'm guessing yes?) |
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| 16:45.32 | jrl | greetings |
| 16:45.36 | jrl | anyone here alive? |
| 16:45.50 | levi-laptop | Yes. |
| 16:46.00 | jrl | is Mike Handy still active in plug/ |
| 16:46.01 | jrl | ? |
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| 16:58.28 | vontrapp | ATA is an interface, right? |
| 16:58.53 | vontrapp | is there a difference between Serial ATA and just ATA, or is the latter just lazy? |
| 16:59.50 | vontrapp | my brother is asking about a IDE Ultra ATA100 drive |
| 16:59.53 | dataw0lf|w | there's a difference. |
| 17:00.03 | vontrapp | seems like an oxymoron to me |
| 17:00.07 | levi-laptop | Serial ATA goes over a serial bus, ATA goes over a parallel bus. |
| 17:00.21 | levi-laptop | (for starters) |
| 17:00.41 | vontrapp | ok, that makes sense |
| 17:01.08 | levi-laptop | SATA is a newer standard, ATA has been around for a long time. |
| 17:01.18 | vontrapp | what about ide then? i assume this drive he's talking about just comes with a converter cable or something |
| 17:01.31 | vontrapp | that is possible, right? |
| 17:01.59 | dataw0lf|w | IDE = IDE/ATA |
| 17:02.22 | vontrapp | ah, so they're compatible |
| 17:02.28 | dataw0lf|w | they are the same. |
| 17:02.37 | dataw0lf|w | ATA has just become a popular buzzword since the introduction of SATA |
| 17:02.45 | dataw0lf|w | buzzacronym rather. |
| 17:03.45 | vontrapp | hmm, that's stupid |
| 17:04.04 | levi-laptop | Ultra ATA100 just has a faster bus than the old IDE stuff. Should be the way the IDE works on new mbs, and UATA100 drives work with slower busses, so in short, the drive will work. |
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| 17:06.35 | levi-laptop | vontrapp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Attachment |
| 17:07.56 | tensai | many serial ata controllers are just a serial bridge to a parallel ata controller, aka a quick hack |
| 17:14.06 | decriptor | has anyone had experience with ipsec and NAT-T and then more specifically on openbsd |
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| 17:18.41 | hans | decriptor: yes, but not on bsd |
| 17:18.44 | hans | linux, though |
| 17:18.48 | hans | racoon? |
| 17:19.15 | decriptor | I'm not sure what it uses. let me check |
| 17:19.22 | decriptor | it's what ships with openbsd |
| 17:19.23 | hans | (and let me make the obligatory plug for openvpn - if you're not locked into ipsec you'll save a lot of headache going with openvpn) |
| 17:20.27 | decriptor | the ipsec normally takes me very little time to accomplish its getting NAT-T to work |
| 17:20.55 | decriptor | I think its only really functional in 3.7 which is about a couple of weeks old |
| 17:21.06 | hans | i've succeeded with nat-t in racoon and openswan both, and that was several months ago |
| 17:21.11 | hans | maybe even a year |
| 17:21.36 | decriptor | it uses this to configure everything don't know if it helps |
| 17:21.37 | decriptor | isakmpd |
| 17:21.43 | hans | one end isn't nat, right? |
| 17:21.52 | hans | ah, I haven't done isakmpd |
| 17:22.03 | decriptor | right one end is public and then the other end is nat unfortunately not by choice |
| 17:22.51 | hans | what implementation is the other end? |
| 17:23.00 | decriptor | the nat side ? |
| 17:23.09 | hans | well, both. |
| 17:23.42 | decriptor | one had comcast I think and when it has a public is won't be a problem and then the other end is on the american fork network |
| 17:23.57 | decriptor | on their network they its basically one hugh lan |
| 17:24.30 | hans | so both ends are running isakmpd? |
| 17:24.36 | decriptor | sorry yes |
| 17:24.54 | decriptor | they are really really easy to setup if both are the same both boxes are openbsd |
| 17:25.53 | hans | i don't know anything about isakmpd in particular. I've found that most recent versions of other implementations don't have much trouble with nat-t anymore. used to be a big headache, though. |
| 17:26.18 | hans | openvpn uses only one port, so nat traversal is automatic. ;-) |
| 17:26.25 | decriptor | supposedly it wasn't working right in 3.6 but 3.7 has it |
| 17:26.29 | tensai | I've only had success with ipsec when both sides were the same |
| 17:26.44 | hans | i've had interop problems, but some combos have worked |
| 17:26.51 | decriptor | in general how much do you have to do in order to get nat-t to work |
| 17:26.58 | hans | racoon with netscreen for example (with a few special settings on the racoon side) |
| 17:27.04 | hans | openswan wouldn't work with netscreen |
| 17:27.09 | tensai | normally it's just a singl config option, or it's auto detected |
| 17:27.19 | hans | decriptor: mostly tell both end to use it if needed |
| 17:27.26 | decriptor | I'd reconfigure then to use the same on both ends since I own both boxes :) |
| 17:27.29 | hans | or tell both ends to use it anyway |
| 17:27.42 | hans | most can detect when it's needed, I think. |
| 17:28.28 | tensai | hans: racoon and sonicwall never agreed. I tried openswan but didn't get very far with it. |
| 17:29.25 | decriptor | sonicwall has its own weird client software from what I can remember |
| 17:31.35 | tensai | yeah, called the globalvpn. it has one ipsec configuration and uses xauth to login users |
| 17:31.49 | tensai | but you can also create individual ipsec tunnels to other implementation, or so they say |
| 17:31.54 | tensai | I've not gotten it to work |
| 17:32.27 | vontrapp | i second the plug for openvpn |
| 17:32.41 | vontrapp | hans: have you gotten openvpn on your gandalf? |
| 17:32.50 | hans | yeah |
| 17:33.02 | vontrapp | how easy is it to install? |
| 17:33.42 | hans | port install openvpn2 |
| 17:33.49 | hans | and grab the tun/tap stuff from the web |
| 17:34.28 | hans | there's links on the openvpn page. there's also a minimal titlebar gui and probably a binary linked to from the openvpn website |
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| 17:46.10 | vontrapp | i already don't like the keyboard, after using it for two seconds last night |
| 17:46.18 | hans | why? |
| 17:46.19 | vontrapp | maybe i'll get used to it.. |
| 17:46.27 | hans | it's not bad as far as laptops go. at least it's full-size |
| 17:46.36 | vontrapp | well, what turned me off last night was page up/down |
| 17:46.50 | hans | pgup pgdn is a pain yes |
| 17:47.01 | vontrapp | didn't even bother to figure out how to use them, just used the slower arrows |
| 17:47.05 | hans | but compared to the braindead things I've seen on other laptop keyboards it's nothing. |
| 17:47.12 | hans | fn |
| 17:47.31 | vontrapp | yeah, i figured it was something like that, saw them on the arrow keys |
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| 17:57.36 | vontrapp | i don't like function keys that are in the very corner of the keyboard |
| 17:57.51 | vontrapp | that's where control belongs and it flubs up my palm-pressing |
| 18:12.06 | hans | control belongs where caps lock iscontrol belongs where caps lock is. |
| 18:12.43 | vontrapp | is that supposed to be some catchy ditty? |
| 18:13.05 | vontrapp | it fit well with "I Saw Three Ships" that just started playing whey you said it :) |
| 18:13.25 | vontrapp | s/whey/when/ |
| 18:13.40 | vontrapp | my fingers have been doing some weird things as of late |
| 18:14.44 | hans | i thought I had typed that somewhere else (didn't see it here because I was waiting for my tcp session to resume) |
| 18:15.03 | hans | and pressing keys with your palm is unnatural. |
| 18:15.15 | vontrapp | whatever :-p |
| 18:15.17 | hans | you could be lynched in salem for doing that. |
| 18:15.19 | tensai | caps lock has been purged from my keyboard |
| 18:15.49 | vontrapp | though laptops don't work well with palm pressing anyways |
| 18:17.04 | vontrapp | but palming is really the way to go IMO |
| 18:17.32 | hans | i think you should use your forehead. |
| 18:17.40 | vontrapp | i can reach any and all keys with my palm on ctrl that i can reach otherwise (except Fx) |
| 18:18.03 | vontrapp | i can get F[1-3] though |
| 18:18.27 | vontrapp | whichc is sufficient to get to a virtual terminal |
| 18:18.32 | hans | i can get to any f key with my pinky on control (the real control) |
| 18:19.57 | fozz | Dang it. FC4's been held a week. |
| 18:20.06 | fozz | Yeah, yeah yeah. I know. Nobody cares. |
| 18:20.24 | hans | oh no, we care. we like getting more fodder |
| 18:21.18 | vontrapp | lunch time (no, hans, not lynch) |
| 18:22.28 | hans | i, too, used to be ambivalent about ctrl's placement, my young padawan. you too will learn in time. |
| 18:53.58 | vontrapp | but you do not know the power of the palm side, hans |
| 18:54.07 | vontrapp | search your fingers, you know it to be true |
| 18:54.29 | vontrapp | join me, and together we will rule the key-bindings as brothers! |
| 18:55.00 | vontrapp | i have nothing against remapping caps-lock |
| 18:55.11 | vontrapp | i, too, despise it and wouldn't miss it |
| 18:55.26 | vontrapp | just never felt the need to go through the whole remapping thing |
| 18:57.42 | vontrapp | < caps-lock> You're keyboard never told you the truth about your control |
| 18:58.01 | vontrapp | < like> it told me enough, it told me you killed it |
| 18:58.15 | vontrapp | < caps-lock> i AM your control! |
| 18:58.18 | vontrapp | < luke> NOOOOO!! |
| 18:58.27 | vontrapp | *later* |
| 18:58.41 | vontrapp | < luke> there's still some control in him, i can feel it |
| 18:58.48 | vontrapp | < luke> I have to go remap him... |
| 19:01.08 | vontrapp | hmm, s/killed/displaced/ |
| 19:01.40 | vontrapp | there's something about fritos and lettuce |
| 19:01.52 | Tene | the thing that I need to learn is using the shift key on the opposite side of the keyboard from the key I'm shifting. |
| 19:02.05 | Tene | I'm in the habit of only using the right-side one |
| 19:02.15 | Tene | which results in awkward stretching and pain in my hand |
| 19:02.34 | Tene | especially for (){}<>:"_+|* |
| 19:03.04 | vontrapp | hmmm, i do that, too |
| 19:03.41 | vontrapp | but strangely enough, only with those, letters i do shift with the other hand |
| 19:04.11 | Tene | also, I type with the keyboard on my lap with my feet up on the desk |
| 19:04.24 | Tene | which results in my hand being at an awkward angle to my arm |
| 19:06.03 | vontrapp | yeah, angles, when i do a lot of typing, i start to feel how one of those split-type angled keyboards would be really nice |
| 19:06.45 | Tene | yeah |
| 19:36.04 | levi-laptop | I had to remap capslock to control on my iBook keyboard. |
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| 19:36.40 | hans | ~lart lukfugl |
| 19:36.41 | lukfugl | anyone in here versed in rapidsvn? |
| 19:37.25 | ilias | I declare Object inherits from nil |
| 19:37.51 | lukfugl | ~lart hans |
| 19:38.20 | levi-laptop | I used to have ucontrol map the enter key next to the arrows to another fn, which made pgup/pgdn far more accessible, but it doesn't work with Tiger. |
| 19:38.45 | hans | that was nice, until I played flightgear and couldn't control my rudder |
| 19:39.23 | hans | tiger does everything _I_ did with ucontrol. |
| 19:39.30 | hans | caps, function keys |
| 19:39.39 | hans | too bad the rest doesn't work still though. |
| 19:40.33 | levi-laptop | I really want that enter to be fn. |
| 19:43.03 | hans | yeah, I'd like that enter to be fn, and fn-return to be enter. |
| 19:51.12 | mrpull | hey nagios gurus... can I make a service that doesn't belong to a host? I'm in a position where I need to monitor website availability, but don't need host stats |
| 19:51.37 | mrpull | the website is on a farm of servers too... so associating it with a host seems silly |
| 19:51.46 | lukfugl | RapidSVN + gvimdiff doesn't want to work for me |
| 19:56.23 | jsmith | mrpull: Create yourself a plugin that always returns OK... then create a dummy host that uses the always-ok check command. |
| 19:56.42 | jsmith | mrpull: Then add the services you want to check to that host (or multiple hosts) |
| 19:56.58 | mrpull | i suppose I could define them a services for the load balancer too |
| 19:57.58 | jsmith | Yes, that sounds like it would work as well. |
| 19:58.12 | mrpull | thanks for the tip |
| 19:58.15 | jsmith | (Although it might be a better idea to make the load balancer their parent) |
| 19:58.20 | jsmith | np |
| 19:58.38 | mrpull | yeah. that does seem like the more logical choice. |
| 20:02.11 | vontrapp | bah, i can never remember which ls switch gives the symbols for file types [@/*etc] |
| 20:02.24 | jsmith | F? |
| 20:02.30 | jsmith | of f, I can't remember... |
| 20:02.34 | jsmith | s/of/or/ |
| 20:04.50 | vontrapp | it's F |
| 20:04.59 | vontrapp | it would be nice if colors would just work |
| 20:06.03 | vontrapp | it would be nice too if it put the '/' on the begining, it's harder to see on the ends where they don't line up |
| 20:07.09 | jsmith | Amen! |
| 20:08.01 | hans | it would also be nice if they'd pick decent colors for defaults |
| 20:08.05 | hans | that blue is impossible to read |
| 20:08.24 | jsmith | Amen, brother... |
| 20:09.19 | vontrapp | hans, did i get my green directories from you? |
| 20:10.14 | hans | yup |
| 20:11.11 | vontrapp | then i have brightyellow executables, cyan symlinks, and brighcyan visual media files and brightblue audio files |
| 20:11.46 | vontrapp | i tried lots of combinations to come up with those |
| 20:12.34 | vontrapp | it doesn't take so long |
| 20:13.00 | vontrapp | i've had this scheme for over a year now |
| 20:13.26 | vontrapp | looks silly when i use a computer that i haven't set it up on |
| 20:18.45 | vontrapp | where might mysql failed queries be logged? |
| 20:18.59 | jsmith | Nowhere, by default |
| 20:19.10 | jsmith | But you can turn on query logging and watch your hard drive fill up. |
| 20:19.17 | vontrapp | how would i log them? |
| 20:19.26 | vontrapp | i'm only interested in failed queries |
| 20:19.45 | vontrapp | + error message if possible |
| 20:19.45 | jsmith | I'm not sure if there is a way to only log failed queries -- I"m only aware of "all queries" or "slow queries" |
| 20:20.04 | gthornock | log-error=/var/log/mysql/your-error.log |
| 20:20.27 | gthornock | But that only works for queries that produce an error, not for "no data found" |
| 20:20.40 | vontrapp | can i turn on that logging without restarting mysql? |
| 20:20.49 | gthornock | I don't think so. |
| 20:21.07 | jsmith | log-error is only for MySQL errors, not query errors |
| 20:21.16 | jsmith | At least, that's my understanding. |
| 20:21.21 | gthornock | You would need to add that to /usr/local/etc/my.cnf (or wherever you keep my.cnf) and restart |
| 20:21.25 | jsmith | And yes, you have to put it in my.cnf and restart |
| 20:21.37 | gthornock | You may be right, now I think about it. |
| 20:21.42 | vontrapp | restart client or server? |
| 20:21.45 | jsmith | server |
| 20:21.46 | gthornock | server |
| 20:22.03 | vontrapp | yeah, i have a .err log file, only has server information, nothing of queries |
| 20:22.45 | gthornock | In that case, you would probably have to log all queries, or have your code monitor for error queries and save them to its own log file. |
| 20:23.24 | jsmith | vontrapp: Isn't that what I just said it would do? |
| 20:23.44 | vontrapp | hmm, i guess i'll do the later |
| 20:23.48 | jsmith | vontrapp: Log all queries and somehow filter them, or have your app log them, like gthornock said. (We have our app log them.) |
| 20:23.49 | vontrapp | jsmith: yes, you did say that |
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| 21:20.21 | Bradipo | I use it for jabber, but maybe I'm not a big jabber user... |
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| 21:29.39 | tensai | I use Psi for jabber. Best Linux client imho |
| 21:32.20 | vontrapp | i like psi |
| 21:32.28 | RyanE | is psi graphical? |
| 21:32.33 | vontrapp | yep |
| 21:32.38 | RyanE | apt getting right now |
| 21:32.44 | vontrapp | i just like having everything in one program better |
| 21:33.08 | vontrapp | but, if psi did tabbed windows i would probably be using it |
| 21:34.06 | tensai | I only use irc and jabber, so I can deal with 2 |
| 21:34.10 | tensai | RyanE: it's qt based |
| 21:38.31 | RyanE | I do jabber as well, like the tabs |
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| 21:53.31 | vontrapp | building up quite a tolerance there... |
| 21:55.16 | vontrapp | or maybe he happened upon some utah dew |
| 22:17.03 | dataw0lf|w | jbother for jabber. |
| 22:17.07 | dataw0lf|w | <3 synic |
| 22:17.38 | dataw0lf|w | xilch|w/synic: coming to the meeting? |
| 22:36.29 | Bradipo | Anyone know of a local store that sells laptop batteries? |
| 22:36.44 | synic | Bradipo: how local? |
| 22:36.47 | Bradipo | Utah. |
| 22:36.47 | synic | local to where? |
| 22:36.56 | synic | Bradipo: ah, there's one on 3300 S 300 E. |
| 22:37.13 | Bradipo | I think I've been there. |
| 22:37.22 | Bradipo | But didn't know they had laptop batteries. |
| 22:37.30 | synic | I bought my thinkpad battery there |
| 22:37.33 | Newsome | Bradipo: what sort of laptop? |
| 22:37.38 | Bradipo | Toshiba. |
| 22:37.59 | Newsome | hmm, can't help you there, unless it'll take Dell batteries. |
| 22:38.14 | Bradipo | http://www.powerstream.com/power2.html |
| 22:38.20 | Bradipo | I wonder if they have them... :-) |
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| 22:45.31 | vontrapp | maybe batteries+ in orem (just east of uvsc atop the hill, by circuit city) |
| 22:46.42 | Newsome | yeah, forgot about them. |
| 22:48.42 | Newsome | haha |
| 22:49.07 | Newsome | actually, both the place at 3300 South 300 E, and the place in Orem are Batteries+ stores |
| 22:49.54 | Newsome | Bradipo: try giving the one in Orem a call - 801.764.0444 |
| 22:50.38 | Bradipo | I'm on the phone with batteries plus. |
| 22:50.42 | Bradipo | They don't have any in store. |
| 22:50.57 | Bradipo | And can order them, but require prepayment for a special order like this. |
| 22:50.58 | Newsome | ~lart battery stores that don't carry batteries |
| 22:52.02 | tensai | ~lart firefox for forcing me to upgrade before installing new extensions |
| 22:52.26 | Newsome | http://www.toshibalaptopbattery.com/ |
| 22:53.45 | Newsome | or batteries.com |
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| 22:55.08 | Newsome | Bradipo: what model? |
| 22:55.15 | Bradipo | Portege 4010. |
| 22:56.00 | Bradipo | Powerstream doesn't have any laptop batteries. |
| 22:57.19 | Newsome | well, Radio Shack has them, but not at any store nearby |
| 22:59.14 | Newsome | Bradipo: Tell him to pick up a motorcycle battery and some jumper cables at AutoZone! |
| 22:59.43 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 23:04.33 | Newsome | Bradipo: or ebatts.com |
| 23:04.57 | Newsome | Bradipo: know of any local authorized repair centers? |
| 23:05.55 | resplin | I have a mod_rewrite question. Any takers? |
| 23:06.51 | Newsome | resplin: if I can answer it in the time it takes me to shut down my laptop, I'll give it a try :) |
| 23:07.01 | resplin | newsome: thanks. |
| 23:07.15 | resplin | I have a client hosted with bluehost.com. |
| 23:07.34 | resplin | Their cheap plan has shared ssl at secure.bluehost.com/~username |
| 23:07.54 | resplin | I want a rewrite that does two things: if not ssl, then redirect to secure.bluehost/~username |
| 23:08.13 | resplin | If ssl, but userdomain, rederect to secure.bluehost/~username. |
| 23:08.41 | resplin | Can I combine two rules in my .htaccess file? |
| 23:08.54 | resplin | I have the first: RewriteEngine On |
| 23:08.54 | resplin | RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !443 |
| 23:08.54 | resplin | RewriteRule (.*) https://secure.bluehost.com/~apexmeds [R] |
| 23:09.01 | resplin | I'm just not sure how to add the second. |
| 23:09.14 | resplin | newsome: how long does your laptop take to shut down? :) |
| 23:09.17 | Newsome | looks like that would do the first part |
| 23:09.24 | Newsome | resplin: already off :) |
| 23:10.31 | resplin | Newsome: I guess I'm outta-luck then. :) |
| 23:11.30 | Newsome | is that doing the redirect for non-ssl? |
| 23:11.50 | resplin | Yup. Works great. It's adding the redirect for ssl but wrong URL that I'm working on. |
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| 23:15.22 | Newsome | okay, how about something like: RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} userdomain |
| 23:16.17 | resplin | That's what I was thinking, but I don't know how to combine the two. Do I just list them sequentially? |
| 23:17.40 | resplin | Oh, I just need to use an [OR] don't I? |
| 23:17.42 | Newsome | I think so. You might need to check the options inside the [] |
| 23:18.00 | resplin | I'll give that a shot. Thanks for the help. |
| 23:18.05 | Newsome | good luck... |
| 23:18.07 | Newsome | heading home |
| 23:20.07 | emcnabb | me too |
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