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| 01:58.55 | levi-laptop | Yo. |
| 02:00.59 | Maquis | yo |
| 02:01.51 | levi-laptop | Wassup? |
| 02:13.48 | Maquis | not much |
| 02:14.03 | Maquis | playing with the google practice test for the puzzle competition in a few weeks |
| 02:14.22 | Maquis | i have all but one of the puzzles from the practice test done |
| 02:14.23 | levi-laptop | Hmm. Sounds like more fun than Java homework. |
| 02:14.33 | Maquis | yeah... it is |
| 02:16.22 | levi-laptop | I spent the last few hours fanning charcoal in a starter thingy so the dutch ovens would have enough heat. |
| 02:16.50 | levi-laptop | Now I smell like campfire, I have soot on my face, and I singed off some of my hair. |
| 02:17.27 | levi-laptop | And to top it off, I have to do this crappy Java homework. |
| 02:17.40 | Maquis | haha |
| 02:17.51 | Maquis | but i have to do it this summer |
| 02:18.05 | levi-laptop | I'm not a big fan of it, but at least it's not C++. |
| 02:18.22 | levi-laptop | Or C. |
| 02:21.06 | levi-laptop | After you've written your billionth linked list datastructure in C, you get really sick of its lack of abstraction facilities. |
| 02:21.19 | Maquis | meh |
| 02:22.36 | levi-laptop | C is fine if you're writing a simple device driver or something. |
| 02:24.57 | levi-laptop | If you're writing a program where the problem is at a much higher abstraction level than device drivers, C really starts to look weak. |
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| 02:36.01 | TimRiker | or you're writing something that needs to be efficient. |
| 02:36.14 | Maquis | ??? |
| 02:36.42 | TimRiker | how many 3d games or highend search engines are written in java? |
| 02:37.03 | Maquis | oh... you're back on that topic... that makes sense... |
| 02:37.20 | TimRiker | c/c++ are much more memory and performance efficient (normally) |
| 02:37.24 | Maquis | i'm not liking the fact that i have to work with java at work... |
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| 02:37.40 | TimRiker | going to be in the same boat soon. |
| 02:37.50 | Maquis | i was certain they were going to stick me in a group that works with c because i haven't used java in almost 2 full years... |
| 02:37.56 | Maquis | but... oh well... |
| 02:38.54 | Maquis | if i'd been coding for more than 5 years.... |
| 02:39.00 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 02:39.03 | Maquis | or for more than 4 years... |
| 02:39.14 | Maquis | i have to say that it could be worse... |
| 02:39.25 | Maquis | this *is* the first summer i haven't been doing vb |
| 02:41.47 | TimRiker | lars-ut: radioburst? |
| 02:42.23 | lars-ut | on this one, yes. |
| 02:42.33 | TimRiker | wireless isp? |
| 02:42.37 | lars-ut | yup |
| 02:43.00 | TimRiker | cool. knoppix cd or just never made a new user account? |
| 02:43.06 | lars-ut | knoppix |
| 02:43.40 | lars-ut | I'm burning time while I backup & migrate a RH9 PDC to Sarge |
| 02:43.57 | TimRiker | heh |
| 02:46.11 | TimRiker | lars-ut: how much $ ? and what's the coverage like? /me assumes lars-ut is in UT. ;-) |
| 02:48.42 | lars-ut | TimRiker: $50/mo, speedwise =~ 200kb/s,but there is some latency. The wireless ISP is for the business I work for. My XP box doesn't work so well when the PDC is down. Hence the Knoppix. |
| 02:49.04 | lars-ut | MOst of the users are on DSL here. I use both connections. |
| 02:50.06 | lars-ut | TimRiker: The wisp isn't reliable enough for some udp stuff with call routing, and we're not ready to step up to a T1.. yet. |
| 02:50.50 | lars-ut | TimRiker: That was meant to be 200 Kilobytes/s, not kbits. |
| 02:52.32 | lars-ut | TimRiker: The office I'm in is located in Orem. |
| 02:52.35 | TimRiker | xmission dsl still a good option there? |
| 02:52.55 | lars-ut | I'm using a local ISP - Veracity |
| 02:53.06 | lars-ut | but yes... Xmission is always good. |
| 02:54.21 | Maquis | mmmm.... bzflag... :) |
| 02:54.43 | lars-ut | I ended up exceeding Xmission's metered service too often once I discovered Bittorrent. |
| 02:56.25 | TimRiker | it's nice to not have others flooding the upsteam connection though. the price you pay. |
| 02:57.11 | lars-ut | I'd stay away from Radioburst - better to use iProvo, Comcast, or DSL. |
| 02:57.46 | TimRiker | what's happening with the ethernet to the home initiatives? |
| 02:58.12 | Newsome | TimRiker: http://www.utopianet.org/ |
| 02:58.41 | lars-ut | iProvo competes with utopia, and it's already been deployed in some areas of Provo. |
| 02:59.46 | Maquis | Newsome: how's it going? |
| 03:00.08 | Newsome | Maquis: life, or utopia? :) |
| 03:00.59 | TimRiker | Newsome: heh. yep. was just reading that. |
| 03:01.21 | Maquis | Newsome: life |
| 03:01.48 | Newsome | Maquis: life is okay. I'm hiding out upstairs to avoid my Brother-in-law. |
| 03:02.06 | lars-ut | TimRiker: See if you can get 7mb DSL |
| 03:02.16 | lars-ut | w/Xmission |
| 03:02.42 | Maquis | Newsome: that doesn't sound that fun... why are you avoiding your brother-in-law? |
| 03:02.50 | lars-ut | TimRiker: Time to find a residence close to a DSLAM or CO... |
| 03:04.34 | TimRiker | lars-ut: if only MLS databases would list distance from CO as a parameter. |
| 03:04.36 | Newsome | Maquis: Whatever he does, he _over_-does it. It gets seriously annoying. |
| 03:04.57 | Maquis | ah... |
| 03:05.10 | Maquis | so, you're trying to save your sanity |
| 03:05.19 | TimRiker | lars-ut: got a map of CO's ? ;-) |
| 03:05.49 | Newsome | Yeah, that's pretty much it. |
| 03:07.05 | Newsome | hrm. I think I've finished watching the entire first season of Hogan's Heroes. I hope they come out with the next season soon. |
| 03:07.50 | lars-ut | TimRiker: That is a good idea - I'll bet some real estate agents do it for fun... here's a link: http://www.broadbandreports.com/prequal/distance |
| 03:10.18 | TimRiker | lars-ut: "We need area code, and full phone number.." |
| 03:10.55 | Newsome | hmmm, 12123 seems shorter than the last time... |
| 03:11.01 | TimRiker | and phone numbers are not listed for obvious reasons. it's a royal pain in the butt. have to do reverse lookups on each one just to test for dsl. |
| 03:11.11 | Maquis | Newsome: if you're bored, there's the google puzzle competition practice problems... |
| 03:11.16 | TimRiker | Newsome: perhaps you've moved? ;-) |
| 03:11.38 | Newsome | TimRiker: The neighbors do have a pretty large stereo. I wonder if that's related :) |
| 03:11.51 | Newsome | Maquis: hmm, that sounds interesting. |
| 03:12.05 | Newsome | Maquis: got a link? |
| 03:12.06 | Maquis | Newsome: if you get a good way to figure out the last of the problems.... :) |
| 03:12.15 | Maquis | yeah... i've got one someplace |
| 03:13.36 | Maquis | Newsome: http://wpc.puzzles.com/practice/index.htm |
| 03:14.25 | Newsome | Maquis: taking a look. thanks |
| 03:14.36 | Maquis | check out the last problem... please :) |
| 03:17.41 | TimRiker | gv dies on the encrypted pdf doc. |
| 03:17.50 | Maquis | xpdf works fine |
| 03:23.20 | Newsome | Maquis: last question is the First Name Basis one? |
| 03:24.11 | TimRiker | fun stuff. |
| 03:24.22 | TimRiker | Maquis: thanx. xpdf worked. |
| 03:25.34 | Maquis | Newsome: yeah |
| 03:40.41 | Maquis | ooh! |
| 03:40.44 | Maquis | i think i got it!!! |
| 03:41.43 | Maquis | w00t!!!! |
| 03:41.53 | Maquis | that just leaves problem 4 |
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| 03:44.39 | TimRiker | did you cut them out? |
| 03:48.01 | TimRiker | are they allowed to go backwards? |
| 03:48.36 | Maquis | TimRiker: no i didn't cut them out... and no, they don't go backwards.. |
| 03:48.41 | Maquis | they all go forwards... |
| 03:49.50 | TimRiker | hmm |
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| 03:53.50 | Maquis | TimRiker: you can have spaces mid-name |
| 03:53.56 | Maquis | and start with elijah and joyce |
| 03:54.47 | TimRiker | ahh! there can be spaces in the middle of names? That's not how I read it. |
| 03:55.06 | TimRiker | I guess it helps to read. ;-) |
| 03:56.20 | Maquis | TimRiker: it took me a couple tries before i assumed that had to be what it meant |
| 03:59.58 | Newsome | oh |
| 04:01.22 | Maquis | otherwise you hit an impossible point |
| 04:01.31 | Maquis | but trust me... even with spaces allowed, it isn't easy :) |
| 04:13.20 | lars-ut | TimRiker: http://www.uswest.com/cgi-bin/iconn/iconn.pl?function=central_office_find has removed the street addresses, but you can input an area code and prefix to find out which CO you're closest to. Once you know the code for the CO, ask Xmission for the address & estimated distance. |
| 04:17.04 | Maquis | well, good luck to you all... i'm stumped on problem 4, but i think i've got everything else.. and now it's bedtime so i can get up early for work |
| 04:25.50 | mrpull_ | anybody ever used zibbix? |
| 04:25.57 | mrpull_ | s/zibbix/zabbix/ |
| 04:31.52 | mrpull_ | hrrmmm... i'll ask in the morning |
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| 04:36.16 | TimRiker | sheesh. #5 was tough. |
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| 04:54.29 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
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| 06:13.58 | lars-ut | anybody want to help me out with Debian Installer / partitioning? |
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| 07:06.42 | lars-ut | help w/ first time Debian software RAID 1, anyone? |
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| 13:15.44 | lars-ut | All I've got left is Apache w / PHP on Debian Sarge, my mind is shot, though. I can't get the server to serve php files |
| 13:20.10 | lars-ut | http://blogs.linux.ie/xeer/2005/04/14/debian-sarge-php4-and-apache2-why-do-you-persecute-me/ |
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| 15:22.13 | vontrapp | has anyone ever tried adding javascript event handlers to elements from the script? |
| 15:23.03 | vontrapp | as in: <some script...> element.onclick = dosomething; ... |
| 15:24.07 | hans | today's gnuplot challenge, which I am sure you were all looking forward to, is to generate a histogram with each bar representing a day taking as input timestamps |
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| 15:24.55 | vontrapp | and do the whole thing with only gnuplot? |
| 15:25.04 | hans | no, not at all |
| 15:25.18 | hans | I can munge it with ruby or shell or perl or whatever I feel like first |
| 15:27.16 | vontrapp | the javascript thing... i can get it to call a function with onclick = funcname; but i can't pass it any parameters |
| 15:30.54 | Newsome | hans: sounds like a job for R |
| 15:31.18 | vontrapp | hans, unix timestamps? |
| 15:31.39 | vontrapp | aka epoch seconds? |
| 15:32.20 | hans | vontrapp: sure |
| 15:32.29 | hans | i can get the date in any convenient time |
| 15:33.39 | hans | Newsome: that sounds fun, but how long will it take to learn enough R to do it? |
| 15:35.36 | vontrapp | is there an easy way, in any language, to turn [0 => nil, 1 => nil, 2 => foo, 3 => nil, 4 => bar, 5 => nil] to [2 => foo, 3 => nil, 4 => bar]? |
| 15:35.53 | vontrapp | iow, trim the nils from the ends, but not the middle |
| 15:36.19 | vontrapp | i think i vaguely recall ruby being able to do that |
| 15:40.10 | vontrapp | hans: vpn |
| 15:42.06 | dataw0lf|w | vontrapp: it's called slicing in Python. |
| 15:43.08 | hans | i don't know about python, but in perl and ruby, isn't slicing where you give it which indices to use to slice up the array? |
| 15:43.27 | hans | I think he wants to automatically find those indices based on the values in the array (or is it a hash?) |
| 15:44.00 | dataw0lf|w | that's easy to 'x in array' |
| 15:44.20 | dataw0lf|w | s/to/too |
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| 15:48.36 | dataw0lf|w | course, stuff like that is what list comprehensions are designed for. |
| 15:52.02 | levi-laptop | Lisp! |
| 15:52.59 | levi-laptop | Actually, I'm not sure what operation is being performed either. |
| 15:53.12 | levi-laptop | Oh, trimming nils. |
| 15:53.19 | Bradipo | PHP has a function for this. |
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| 15:56.37 | Bradipo | Well, maybe not quite what I was thinking. |
| 15:58.55 | levi-laptop | Well... you could write a function that trims nils from the beginning of a list, call it on the list, reverse it, call it again, and then reverse again. Or maybe write a recursive function that peels from the front on the way down, and from the back on the way up. |
| 15:59.39 | levi-laptop | If it's an array, then you can just peel from both ends, since you don't have to worry about following links. |
| 16:01.34 | levi-laptop | It's not really clear what the real functional requirements are, thanks to the hash example. Is the hash required? |
| 16:02.18 | hans | and you know that in many languages a hash is unordered, right? |
| 16:06.12 | Bradipo | If this is a hash, how did it get null values in the first place? |
| 16:06.45 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 16:07.08 | hans | ibot, that may be harsh. I think he's just unconscious. |
| 16:07.15 | Bradipo | hehe |
| 16:08.59 | vontrapp | it was just a thought tangent, re: hans' gnuplot problem |
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| 16:12.05 | Bradipo | Ahh... |
| 16:12.15 | Bradipo | So, each histogram represents a day? |
| 16:12.48 | hans | ideally, although flexibility there would be especially keen |
| 16:13.14 | Bradipo | I'm not sure I understand what is being displayed... |
| 16:13.32 | Bradipo | What data is on the y-axis? |
| 16:13.58 | Bradipo | Not that I have a solution (I don't really know much about gnuplot). |
| 16:18.29 | levi-laptop | I don |
| 16:18.37 | levi-laptop | I don't understand what's being displayed either. |
| 16:20.22 | hans | how many times the event occurred on that day |
| 16:20.44 | hans | in this case, how many times the server crashed |
| 16:20.49 | levi-laptop | So you have to use the timestamps to divide the event occurrences into days. |
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| 16:23.25 | hans | i thought, wrongly, that gnuplot could help with that task perhaps |
| 16:23.26 | Bradipo | So, the bar will increase in size each time it crashes? |
| 16:23.40 | hans | but now I recall every time I've done a histogram in gnuplot, I had to histogramize the data myself. |
| 16:23.45 | levi-laptop | So, assuming the timestamps are sorted, you just need a timestamp->day function, and a day->array-index mapper function. Walk through the list of timestamps, apply the composition of the two functions, and increment the value at the resulting array index. |
| 16:24.41 | vontrapp | yes, that was my thinking as well |
| 16:24.47 | hans | yes, to histogramize data is just to apply a hash function and print out the number of items in each bucket |
| 16:25.00 | Bradipo | I see. |
| 16:25.05 | hans | where obviously the hash function has certain properties |
| 16:25.28 | hans | not too hard to do, but I was hoping to find something to do the lifting |
| 16:25.43 | vontrapp | but i was just going for dumping into the array with the day number (epochsecs/(60*60*24)) as an index and trimming it |
| 16:25.43 | Bradipo | Something in gnuplot. |
| 16:26.19 | levi-laptop | hans: Lazy bum. |
| 16:26.49 | vontrapp | apparently those buckets get pretty heavy hans? server must crash alot |
| 16:26.59 | vontrapp | :p |
| 16:27.06 | Bradipo | That's what I was wondering... |
| 16:27.10 | hans | levi-laptop: precisely :) |
| 16:27.18 | Bradipo | Are we mapping how many times a server crashes in an hour? :-) |
| 16:27.29 | hans | in a day |
| 16:27.49 | hans | actually I'm really looking for trends, so the day-bucket idea will probably get thrown out |
| 16:27.50 | Bradipo | More than once a day is too much for me, I would replace it and not bother with gnuplot. |
| 16:27.51 | hans | maybe map to weekday |
| 16:28.09 | hans | Bradipo: oh I could think of a 100 other reasons to replace Notes |
| 16:28.13 | hans | but that's not happening. |
| 16:28.28 | hans | and it's not every day, but some days more than once |
| 16:28.32 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 16:28.56 | Bradipo | Doesn't cacti have some way to trend that? |
| 16:29.00 | hans | anyway, I'm just looking for things that might give the IBM guy that's scratching his head some more info |
| 16:29.02 | Bradipo | Or could it be done with rrdtool? |
| 16:29.46 | hans | i think the data is too sparse, and rrdtool is more complicated than gnuplot |
| 16:30.03 | hans | plus I've never seen a histogram out of rrdtool, always line and area graphs |
| 16:30.55 | tapH20guru | anyone seen jsmith lately? |
| 16:30.56 | hans | at this point I'm trying to decide whether to do the script tweaking game, or to learn the basics of R. |
| 16:31.09 | levi-laptop | R? |
| 16:31.15 | tensai | ~seen jsmith |
| 16:31.18 | ibot | jsmith is currently on #uphpu (16m 53s) |
| 16:31.30 | tapH20guru | shanks |
| 16:32.18 | hans | "GNU S" |
| 16:33.16 | levi-laptop | hans: That's not telling me much. |
| 16:34.23 | hans | http://www.r-project.org/ |
| 16:36.09 | levi-laptop | Ahh, interesting. |
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| 16:42.02 | mrpull | g'morning! |
| 16:48.53 | mrpull | has anybody used Zabbix before? |
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| 16:53.19 | tensai | jsmith: 7 T-1 lines, 24 VoIP phones, 4 VM boxes. What sort of box could handle that? Assume that they'll be blown away by all the cool * features and want to do more later. |
| 16:53.20 | mrpull | it looks like it could be a good alternative to nagios |
| 16:53.45 | hans | mrpull: never heard of it |
| 16:53.54 | mrpull | www.zabbix.com |
| 16:54.01 | hans | but I'd be happy to extol the virtues of mon as a nagios replacement |
| 16:54.02 | mrpull | neither had I until last night |
| 16:54.22 | mrpull | i've heard you suggest mon before... |
| 16:54.38 | mrpull | would you suggest that it would be easy to monitor 500+ hosts with mon? |
| 16:55.57 | hans | depends on what you want to monitor on those hosts |
| 16:56.37 | hans | zabbix looks cool. I can't tell, does it do notifications? |
| 16:56.52 | mrpull | the notifications look simple |
| 16:56.57 | mrpull | just email and SMS |
| 16:57.08 | mrpull | no fancy escalation |
| 16:57.32 | mrpull | i've got several tools both commercial and free |
| 16:57.58 | hans | zabbix looks similar to cacti |
| 16:58.06 | hans | but apparently with (primitive) notifications |
| 16:58.27 | mrpull | but it has OS agents that can monitor log files too |
| 16:58.42 | hans | I use cacti to see stuff, and mon to do notifications. |
| 16:58.55 | hans | works well enough for my small enviro |
| 16:59.04 | hans | and both are straightforward to configure |
| 16:59.28 | hans | for the record, R is looking easy enough to use for this. |
| 16:59.55 | mrpull | does mon do escalations? |
| 17:00.31 | levi-laptop | Heh, talk about spin. On Google News, I have two headlines quoting the same IDC survey: "Linux drives worldwide server sales boom" and "Windows wipes floor with Linux" |
| 17:02.40 | hans | mrpull: ya |
| 17:03.06 | hans | or rather, it lets you specify various actions to do with independent specification of time |
| 17:03.20 | hans | time down, that is. which amounts to "doing escalations" with minimal thought. |
| 17:03.27 | mrpull | how many nodes do you monitor? |
| 17:04.51 | hans | looks like about 50 |
| 17:06.34 | mrpull | do you think you could scale it to 500 without going mad? |
| 17:06.44 | hans | I think so |
| 17:06.53 | scott | do any of the free blogging sites let you put google ads on your blog? |
| 17:07.08 | hans | if you are monitoring most of the same stuff on each |
| 17:07.43 | mrpull | hans: nah... i've got a big mixed bag of stuff... windows, hp-ux, linux, misc network gear |
| 17:07.48 | hans | but if that assumption doesn't hold, I'd probably go mad no matter which prog |
| 17:07.50 | mrpull | that's where it'd get to be a PITA |
| 17:08.13 | hans | well, for example I've got maybe 10 servers, and like 30 printers |
| 17:08.19 | hans | the 30 printers are just a couple of lines |
| 17:08.19 | mrpull | ahh |
| 17:08.25 | mrpull | that make sense |
| 17:08.34 | hans | each service takes a couple of lines each |
| 17:08.54 | hans | I don't see how you could get around that. :) mon's syntax is really nice though |
| 17:13.10 | mrpull | one of our tools has pretty good auto-discovery... so things like tracking disk usage is automated |
| 17:14.12 | jsmith | tensai: Any modern box should be able to handle that, as long as you're not doing a lot of transcoding |
| 17:16.38 | tensai | jsmith: k. that's what I figured. They voip phones should all be the same so they can do their own coding and leave asterisk out |
| 17:17.32 | tensai | do you recommend dual-proc machines, and under what circumstances? |
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| 17:30.49 | vontrapp | there's probably about a hundred birds outside |
| 17:30.49 | vontrapp | small birds |
| 17:30.49 | vontrapp | and the up and fly around in big circles, then land in this one small spot |
| 17:30.50 | vontrapp | looks pretty crowded on that landing zone |
| 17:31.01 | vontrapp | and they just keep doing it |
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| 17:39.28 | HarleyPig | Anyone have an example of multiple transparent colors in a png file? |
| 17:39.46 | vontrapp | is that possible? |
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| 17:40.07 | HarleyPig | Yeah, it's part of the png standard. |
| 17:40.38 | vontrapp | seems kinda pointless |
| 17:41.12 | vontrapp | unless you can somehow have different background colors |
| 17:41.14 | HarleyPig | Having multiple transparencies? I don't understand either, but my boss was just complaing about that with gif. |
| 17:41.48 | vontrapp | now a full fledged alpha channel, that i can understand and it is way cool |
| 17:42.02 | vontrapp | and is done by png and not gif |
| 17:42.51 | tensai | png doesn't use a transparent color the way GIF does. it has a complete alpha channel. |
| 17:46.27 | HarleyPig | Ah ... well, either I misunderstand the concept, or my boss does. But basically, my understanding is that you are supposed to be able to do the equivalent of multiple transparencies (vontrapp: A graded background would require multiple transparencies). |
| 17:47.14 | vontrapp | HarleyPig: it's like you add a fourth color to RGB, so you have RGBA, the value in A determines how transparend the pixel is |
| 17:47.40 | HarleyPig | How is that different from opacity? |
| 17:47.45 | vontrapp | it's not |
| 17:47.52 | tensai | PNG transparency doesn't work in IE, btw |
| 17:48.14 | HarleyPig | Heh ... that explains my boss' frustration. |
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| 17:54.30 | vontrapp | or rather, IE doesn't work in png transparency |
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| 18:27.47 | HarleyPig | Gotta love these splits. |
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| 19:23.46 | asynic | Jayce^: do you have a pdf of your regex presentation somewhere? |
| 19:24.52 | Jayce^ | I did at some point... not sure if I still do |
| 19:28.05 | asynic | Jayce^: what about a ppt or something? |
| 19:31.18 | Jayce^ | well, it was keynote, it's just that I haven't been using the computer it was on in a while |
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| 20:50.22 | tensai | so bacula is pretty cool. I think it's a keeper. |
| 20:52.52 | Bradipo | How is it working out? |
| 20:54.23 | tensai | UI is a CLI, which I've grown to like. I had a problem getting it to change tapes in my library but now I've got that resolved. |
| 20:54.49 | Bradipo | CLI is nice because all you need is ssh to get into it. :-) |
| 20:55.25 | tensai | the catalog grows quite large. I hope that doesn't cause a problem. I'm backing up maildirs and it writes an entry for every single file. |
| 20:55.52 | tensai | much better than the previous tool which was X based and horribly slow over anything but a local LAN |
| 20:56.21 | Bradipo | Is the catalog filesystem based? |
| 20:56.37 | tensai | sql. I'm using the sqlite plugin, but mysql and pg also exist |
| 20:56.55 | Bradipo | Nice. |
| 20:57.37 | tensai | I quite agree. I can see a lot of cool uses by having sql as the backend |
| 20:58.19 | Bradipo | I wonder how big the DB will grow for a large backup set... |
| 20:59.09 | tensai | for a 70GB set of maildirs it takes 500MB or so. I think. |
| 20:59.47 | tensai | sqlite apparently takes up 50% more space than mysql so I might switch |
| 20:59.59 | tensai | and I've already got mysql installed on that box |
| 21:00.29 | Bradipo | How many hosts? |
| 21:01.17 | Bradipo | Does bacula stream multiple hosts at once to tape? |
| 21:01.39 | tensai | how many clients am I backing up? 5-10, depends on the amount of tape I have. the critical machines are 2 mail servers. |
| 21:02.20 | tensai | it can spool to disk and then write to tape. It /can/ do multiple simultaneous backups but I'm not sure of the extent. |
| 21:02.51 | vontrapp | bacula is the modulized one, right? has a catalog module, tape backup module, clients, etc |
| 21:03.22 | tensai | yes. director (master), fd (client), sd (storage) |
| 21:04.54 | tensai | setting up the passwords between all the pieces is a little confusing. the naming isn't always consistent. |
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| 21:34.37 | dataw0lf|w | wait for it.. |
| 21:34.38 | dataw0lf|w | <3 |
| 21:34.51 | xilch|w | scroheart! |
| 21:48.29 | vontrapp | ? |
| 21:51.21 | tahooie | <3 |
| 21:51.28 | tahooie | wow, I can do it too! |
| 21:51.43 | xilch|w | scroheart! |
| 21:51.52 | tensai | pff, that's easy. >3 |
| 21:51.58 | tensai | d'oh! |
| 21:52.43 | xilch|w | lol - nice |
| 21:58.13 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.13 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.13 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.13 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.20 | bucky | schanze pulled a gun on somebody |
| 22:30.44 | Jayce^ | link? |
| 22:31.06 | bucky | it was just on the news... breaking news |
| 22:31.26 | bucky | hey TimRiker.. you know Kurt Wall ? |
| 22:31.50 | hans | schanze? |
| 22:31.57 | bucky | super dell |
| 22:32.27 | bucky | he ran 'em down with his shaguar and then pulled a gun on them |
| 22:32.57 | levi-laptop | Freak. |
| 22:33.26 | levi-laptop | Time for me to go to school. |
| 22:35.01 | bucky | schanze was on pbs talking about how he needed to carry a gun on the ward |
| 22:35.33 | hans | on the ward? |
| 22:35.45 | bucky | because it theoretically wasn't safe on the way back his car in the parking lot |
| 22:36.04 | hans | to church you mean? I'm having a hard time parsing "on the ward" |
| 22:36.08 | bucky | yep.. which ward is he on anyway... Draper? |
| 22:36.27 | bucky | yeah church.. not looney bin |
| 22:36.52 | Bradipo | bucky: which ward is he in would make more sense. :-) |
| 22:36.57 | hans | no idea. I tend to be in wards, and go to them, but he is odd enough that perhaps he is on a ward. |
| 22:37.03 | hans | or on somehting, anyway. |
| 22:37.22 | bucky | schanze was on pbs shooting his fully auto AR-15 in his private indoor shooting range |
| 22:37.29 | Bradipo | I think he lives in Utah Valley somewhere... |
| 22:37.37 | Jayce^ | no, he lives in SLC |
| 22:37.42 | Bradipo | Oh yeah? |
| 22:37.45 | Jayce^ | I forget the name of the area |
| 22:37.54 | Jayce^ | yeah, neighbors family lives on the same street |
| 22:38.03 | hans | so anyway, who did he pull a gun on? it's not on google news yet |
| 22:38.33 | bucky | it happened on the 21st... the cops didn't even make it public until today |
| 22:39.22 | bucky | probably because the victims filed a complaint |
| 22:39.31 | TimRiker | bucky: name is very familiar. can't put a face with it though. why? |
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| 22:39.45 | bucky | TimRiker, he worked at Caldera |
| 22:40.29 | bucky | TimRiker, how about Peirre the cuecat guy at Lineo.. did you know him? |
| 22:40.31 | TimRiker | bucky: ah. yep. I've met him. |
| 22:40.44 | TimRiker | yeah I new ppc pretty well. |
| 22:40.47 | TimRiker | er knew... |
| 22:41.15 | TimRiker | still have a few cuecats sitting here. |
| 22:41.19 | Bradipo | bucky: I've worked with Kurt. |
| 22:41.27 | bucky | cool |
| 22:41.37 | Bradipo | A long time ago for that matter. |
| 22:42.00 | bucky | i knew him when he was still at the UofU |
| 22:42.51 | Bradipo | Prior to Caldera? |
| 22:42.57 | bucky | yep |
| 22:43.07 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.15 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.46 | TimRiker | mrpull: don't know. he completely left computing after lineo. played pool professionally for more than a year. |
| 22:47.07 | TimRiker | mrpull: I've not heard from him in a few years now. |
| 22:47.45 | mrpull | no kidding? |
| 22:49.47 | mrpull | gosh. i cant believe it has been 4 years since he did his hand powered web server |
| 22:49.55 | mrpull | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5746261759.html |
| 22:51.12 | mrpull | Tim: Whatever happened to John Roberts? |
| 22:52.10 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, any new word on the move? |
| 22:53.07 | bucky | so hans... what ward are you "in" ? |
| 22:54.19 | TimRiker | Jayce^: just called em today and accepted. So we're headed to utah. |
| 22:54.22 | hans | gonna come stalk me? |
| 22:54.33 | bucky | hans, got a gun? |
| 22:54.58 | hans | Jayce^ has one I can borrow |
| 22:55.24 | TimRiker | mrpull: no idea about johnr. have not seen or heard from him since he .. uh .. left. |
| 22:55.33 | bucky | hans, go retro and get a cap and ball revolver like Smith |
| 22:57.19 | goozbach | ~rot13 GvzEvxre |
| 22:57.19 | ibot | TimRiker |
| 22:57.22 | goozbach | thought so |
| 22:57.33 | mrpull | goozbach beat me to the punch |
| 22:57.34 | hans | ~rot13 goozbach |
| 22:57.34 | ibot | tbbmonpu |
| 22:57.48 | mrpull | two or three times I've seen that and thought "what in the world?" |
| 22:58.03 | mrpull | just now I realized |
| 23:00.51 | bucky | oooh, glock 10mm |
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