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| 00:48.01 | barkingspider | Hey guys |
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| 01:11.42 | barkingspider | Hi everyone |
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| 01:21.34 | Maquis | hi barkingspider |
| 01:24.49 | barkingspider | Hi Maquis |
| 01:24.53 | barkingspider | How's your day ? |
| 01:42.05 | barkingspider | brb |
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| 02:46.44 | levi-laptop | Man, where is everyone on the weekends? |
| 02:46.51 | levi-laptop | It's like you guys have lives or something. |
| 03:00.11 | tene | party on the moon, man |
| 03:00.15 | tene | weren't you invited? |
| 03:04.23 | levi-laptop | Nope. I guess nobody wants me around. Must be all that Lisp talk... |
| 03:06.05 | tene | No, there are plenty of lisp parties on the moon. |
| 03:09.28 | levi-laptop | Perhaps my spam filter ate the invitation, then. |
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| 03:20.25 | tene | this is odd |
| 03:20.59 | levi-laptop | What is odd? |
| 03:25.57 | tene | tene@corktooth:~ $ export|grep MPD |
| 03:25.57 | tene | tene@corktooth:~ $ echo $MPD_HOST |
| 03:25.57 | tene | jambox |
| 03:27.09 | tene | oh |
| 03:27.12 | levi-laptop | Maybe that would seem odd if I had any idea what you were trying to do. |
| 03:27.14 | tene | I wasn't exporting it correctly |
| 03:28.08 | tene | it was environment variables exhibiting behavior that was correct, but unknown to me |
| 03:28.22 | tene | I set a variable in my .bashrc, but didn't export it |
| 03:28.35 | tene | so it was available to the shell, but not to programs run from the shell |
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| 03:32.07 | tene | apparently that's a 'script variable' |
| 03:54.48 | levi-laptop | Hah! It's the Mah Na' Mah Na' song! I love it. :) |
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| 04:08.28 | levi-laptop | Hmm. This song is called Cliff Hanger. It's building pretty dramatically... I hope it ends with some resolution. |
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| 04:53.54 | phinux | Anyone have suggestions for Linux Video cards. I'm not looking for anything terribly expensive, just something I can use with Linux. |
| 04:54.29 | tene | nvidia |
| 04:54.32 | tene | matrox |
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| 04:55.08 | phinux | Are you sure about nvidia? I was just reading that they keep their hardware pretty closed source. |
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| 04:55.28 | Maquis | phinux: they do, but they also release linux drivers... |
| 04:55.32 | tene | nvidia cards work pretty well with linux |
| 04:55.34 | tene | ATI sucks |
| 04:55.34 | phinux | Nice. |
| 04:55.34 | Maquis | at least that's been my experience |
| 04:55.51 | phinux | That's the other thing I was reading. |
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| 04:55.54 | levi-laptop | My matrox card was nice, but it's pretty darn slow by today's standards. |
| 04:55.59 | tene | yeah, my nvidia card works great. |
| 04:56.02 | levi-laptop | It was great for 2d, though. |
| 04:56.10 | phinux | What about TV tuner cards? I'm looking to set up MythTV. Again, not looking for anything too high end. |
| 04:56.11 | tene | which one, levi? |
| 04:56.19 | levi-laptop | tene: G400 |
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| 04:56.40 | tene | I've got one of those too |
| 04:56.51 | tene | used it until I inherited this nv GF4 from a friend. |
| 04:56.57 | phinux | Maquis: How's the job going? |
| 04:57.03 | levi-laptop | I don't think I've got it installed in anything right now. |
| 04:57.20 | Maquis | phinux: it's going pretty well... lots of work, and no time... |
| 04:57.21 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:57.28 | tene | I think that it might be in... something... maybe |
| 04:57.55 | levi-laptop | Maquis: You don't work on Sundays, though. Where have you been all day? ;) |
| 04:58.10 | Maquis | levi-laptop: i've been with my family... :) |
| 04:59.04 | levi-laptop | Bah, you'd rather hang out with your family than with us? |
| 04:59.53 | Maquis | levi-laptop: well... i do have free food and housing with them... |
| 04:59.58 | levi-laptop | BTW, apparently there are now a couple of Indian girls with Masters degrees from USU working at my company now as Java programmers. Maybe your parents would find that interesting. |
| 05:00.18 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:00.33 | Maquis | my team at work has 4 girls out of 12 people... |
| 05:01.06 | Maquis | my team also seems to have a statistically low number of indians compared to the rest of the company... |
| 05:01.24 | Maquis | only 5/12 |
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| 05:24.02 | linuxalien | anyone home? |
| 05:27.06 | levi-laptop | I am home. |
| 05:28.38 | linuxalien | hi hehe |
| 05:28.49 | linuxalien | Hey, when you do a /whois on me...does it show isp info? |
| 05:29.32 | Maquis | 22:21 -!- linuxalien [~bastage@c-24-2-80-89.hsd1.ut.comcast.net] |
| 05:29.39 | Maquis | is that what you were talking about? |
| 05:29.55 | tene | you're on comcast too? |
| 05:29.58 | levi-laptop | It also says your real name is zaphod beebleebrox. I think you're lying. |
| 05:29.59 | tene | my sympathies. |
| 05:31.10 | Maquis | levi-laptop: i believe him... after all, he is an alien |
| 05:31.17 | linuxalien | hehehe |
| 05:31.28 | levi-laptop | Maquis: I think he's lying about that, too. |
| 05:31.30 | linuxalien | Thanks for the info....I tried a cloaking script from the freenode website...guess it's not working |
| 05:31.42 | levi-laptop | Why would an alien be stuck with comcast? |
| 05:32.09 | linuxalien | Good cheeseburgers |
| 05:32.17 | JoshH | maybe he is an illegal alien from mexico |
| 05:32.29 | JoshH | using linux because its free |
| 05:32.56 | linuxalien | Yes, I'm a tacojockey |
| 05:33.18 | JoshH | man, i forgot how sick i am of taco bell |
| 05:33.23 | JoshH | i really wish i didnt go there today |
| 05:33.42 | JoshH | i definitely wont be going there again for a very long time |
| 05:33.42 | linuxalien | Did you get bad gas? |
| 05:33.45 | JoshH | no |
| 05:33.52 | JoshH | but the bean burrito tasted like crap |
| 05:34.29 | JoshH | i was in a hurry so i didnt want to go all the way to barbacoa, but i should have. |
| 05:39.04 | linuxalien | Betos is better |
| 05:39.08 | linuxalien | Big big burritos |
| 05:39.16 | linuxalien | I wish they had more seafood here in Ogden |
| 05:39.25 | JoshH | betos is only worth it if you have to get a burrito late at night |
| 05:39.32 | JoshH | it cant compare to barbacoa or cafe rio in quality |
| 05:40.06 | JoshH | i want to go to seattle and go to that market where they throw the fish |
| 05:40.07 | Maquis | and they don't use farm-raised fish |
| 05:40.20 | Maquis | JoshH: flying fish shop at the pike place market |
| 05:40.23 | Maquis | good stuff |
| 05:40.25 | JoshH | ya |
| 05:40.27 | JoshH | ive seen that on tv |
| 05:40.29 | JoshH | looks awesome |
| 05:41.10 | levi-laptop | I go by there most times I'm up in the area. |
| 05:41.17 | levi-laptop | Never caught a fish there, though. |
| 05:41.28 | levi-laptop | They're not cheap. :) |
| 05:41.29 | Maquis | the fish is good... wild king salmon is the best... |
| 05:41.30 | JoshH | seattle also has hemp.net, the coolest isp ever |
| 05:42.25 | Maquis | anyway, i only got 3 hours of sleep last night due to some weird issues with my brain and sleep patterns... so, i'm off to bed |
| 05:42.48 | linuxalien | goodnight |
| 05:43.06 | Maquis | gnight |
| 05:47.32 | linuxalien | I've eaten seafood in sanfrancisco...yummy |
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| 06:29.39 | xbmodder | ? |
| 06:31.23 | linuxalien | ? |
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| 15:52.22 | Lone_Wanderer | anyone know of a foss version of visio? |
| 15:53.00 | lars-ut | dia |
| 15:53.24 | Lone_Wanderer | cool thanks :) |
| 15:53.35 | lars-ut | Lone_Wanderer: Visio is much better, though. |
| 15:53.43 | Lone_Wanderer | mmkay |
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| 16:45.25 | lars-ut | D/Ling http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso now... |
| 16:46.06 | lars-ut | Time to see if I can use RAID 1, LVM, & Sarge for the first time... |
| 16:46.11 | lars-ut | with XFS |
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| 17:00.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know of a good piece of software I can burn an ISO with on Windows? |
| 17:04.04 | lars-ut | nero demo version |
| 17:04.52 | lars-ut | Lone_Wanderer: Menu option is Recorder | Brurn Image... |
| 17:05.02 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 17:05.39 | lars-ut | I've heard of others but ended up buying Nero on the company dime. |
| 17:07.37 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 17:21.20 | hans | Lone_Wanderer: if you're a masochist, cdrecord is reported to work in windows. |
| 17:21.32 | Lone_Wanderer | already downloading nero :) |
| 17:22.57 | hans | anyone have a scanner they don't want that works in linux? |
| 17:23.09 | hans | and does anyone want a scanner that doesn't work in linux (or osx)? |
| 17:29.38 | Maquis | is it backing up? |
| 17:29.45 | lars-ut | yup |
| 17:29.48 | Maquis | ok... |
| 17:30.02 | lars-ut | backing up the first partition anyway... |
| 17:30.15 | Maquis | where's it backing up to? i mean, i see what the filename is... so, are you in a different partition? |
| 17:30.45 | lars-ut | Oh yeah. I booted off of Knoppix 3.8.2 & I'm backing up to an external drive |
| 17:30.56 | Maquis | ah.. |
| 17:31.01 | Maquis | that's nice |
| 17:31.46 | lars-ut | Just buy a PATA drive for cheap & then buy a case. |
| 17:32.28 | Maquis | pata? |
| 17:32.29 | lars-ut | Maquis: It seems to me that most external drives are just last years models in a different case. |
| 17:32.36 | lars-ut | pata = Parallel ATA |
| 17:32.53 | lars-ut | as opposed to Serial ATA |
| 17:33.00 | Maquis | ok... |
| 17:33.46 | Maquis | do you use usb2 to connect the drive? |
| 17:35.03 | Maquis | is pata cheaper than sata? or why is it better to get a pata than a sata for this? |
| 17:35.48 | lars-ut | because external enclosures will work with PATA connectors more often than SATA |
| 17:35.56 | Maquis | ah... |
| 17:36.26 | Maquis | are pata and sata hard drives comparable in price, then? |
| 17:36.36 | lars-ut | not sure |
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| 17:48.08 | lars-ut | here's an enclosure: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817145656 |
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| 17:50.34 | lars-ut | ~3.3/21 |
| 17:50.35 | ibot | 0.157142857143 |
| 17:50.59 | Maquis | ~3.1415926/2 |
| 17:51.00 | ibot | 1.5707963 |
| 17:51.19 | Maquis | that's the discount you can get from amazon if you use the a9 search engine at least once a week... |
| 17:51.44 | lars-ut | 0.157142857143 GB/min on my backup - that sucks. I hate/love dd. |
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| 17:51.54 | levi-laptop | pi/2 as a discount? That's silly. :) |
| 17:52.35 | Maquis | levi-laptop: yeah... it is... |
| 17:52.47 | Maquis | but hey... it's a bit of additional discount... |
| 17:53.26 | levi-laptop | Yeah, can't hurt. :) |
| 17:53.38 | lars-ut | ~67/0.157142857143/60 |
| 17:53.39 | ibot | 7.106060606054 |
| 17:53.58 | levi-laptop | Although I'd prefer pi or 2*pi. |
| 17:54.03 | lars-ut | 7 hours for my backup... what the hell is that... |
| 17:54.04 | Maquis | no kidding |
| 17:54.06 | levi-laptop | Or even pi^2 |
| 17:55.05 | levi-laptop | Are you at work? |
| 17:55.09 | lars-ut | yep |
| 17:55.12 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.14 | levi-laptop | I need to reboot my router. BRB. |
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| 17:58.32 | levi-laptop | Hmm... am I back? |
| 17:58.40 | Maquis | i think so |
| 17:59.02 | levi-laptop | Yup, I guess I am. |
| 18:01.34 | levi-laptop | Alas, now I must get back to housework. |
| 18:01.40 | lars-ut | Maquis: I'm at work because I can't shut down a production server during business hours. |
| 18:01.56 | levi-laptop | IT guys get screwed that way. |
| 18:01.58 | Maquis | lars-ut: but why is it going to be another all-nighter? |
| 18:03.11 | levi-laptop | I didn't stay in the sysadmin gig very long, largely for that reason. |
| 18:07.00 | lars-ut | Maquis: I'm migrating a RH9 system to Debian Sarge with RAID 1 / LVM / XFS. I won't even get to start the install until I'm done with this backup. |
| 18:07.16 | Maquis | and the backup's going to be 7 hours... |
| 18:07.20 | Maquis | so, that'll be a while |
| 18:07.24 | lars-ut | yup |
| 18:07.36 | Maquis | how hard is it to migrate from RH9 to sarge? |
| 18:07.59 | lars-ut | no idea - I've never done it before. |
| 18:08.21 | lars-ut | I'm funmbling through it. |
| 18:08.43 | lars-ut | Hence the backup. I backed up the bootsector as well. |
| 18:09.42 | Maquis | ah... |
| 18:09.57 | Maquis | well... at least you're not dealing with rh7.2 |
| 18:10.05 | lars-ut | :) |
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| 19:08.02 | levi-laptop | RedHat didn't even exist when I first heard of Linux. ;) |
| 19:08.21 | Maquis | haha |
| 19:09.48 | levi-laptop | Now that I have shoes on, it's time to take out the huge trash bag I just filled in the kitchen. |
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| 19:26.56 | HarleyPig | I finally got the fortunes demo working ... but I had to give up on the soap angle (although I finally got that working as well :/) |
| 19:27.20 | HarleyPig | You can look at it at www.harleypigprogramming.com/fortune.pl |
| 19:28.09 | HarleyPig | The only problem is that I can't make it load a fortune right oft the bat. |
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| 20:01.16 | levi-laptop | Why'd you have to give up on soap? |
| 20:01.40 | levi-laptop | And I just get 'Fortune goes here' |
| 20:02.55 | levi-laptop | Oh, is it a time-based reload? |
| 20:03.29 | levi-laptop | Apparently so. I see fortunes now. |
| 20:07.49 | levi-laptop | It sure generates a lot of boilerplate code for such a little bit of functionality. |
| 20:08.31 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 20:09.18 | HarleyPig | I couldn't get soap to work on the same domain as the pages being served and xmlhttprequest won't go anywhere but the same domain it was called from without asking the user to ok it. |
| 20:09.29 | levi-laptop | Hrm. |
| 20:09.31 | HarleyPig | Not a big deal, but a deal killer for the people interested. |
| 20:09.43 | levi-laptop | Why wouldn't soap work on the same domain? |
| 20:10.15 | HarleyPig | No clue. services.hpp.com and hpp.com/services pointed to the same code. |
| 20:10.35 | HarleyPig | hpp.com/services gave errors like the @INC array was truncated. |
| 20:11.49 | HarleyPig | The fortunes.pl file just uses the same code as the soap services, except for the wrapper so we can still make soap work, just not on a web page. |
| 20:12.14 | HarleyPig | We can still offer our services to excel, word, etc. files. |
| 20:12.23 | HarleyPig | Which was the big selling point. |
| 20:31.29 | levi-laptop | I want to look into AJAX stuff at some point. Looks pretty slick. |
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| 20:33.08 | HarleyPig | I know the fortune isn't that big of a deal, but what I can do is load a random 'Did you know...' entry to provide tips, cycle through a bunch of images, what ever. combined wit mod_action on the server and it's really dang cool. |
| 20:33.31 | levi-laptop | What's mod_action? |
| 20:34.57 | HarleyPig | You can tell the server to execute a script when a file type is requested. E.g., if a jpg file is requested then instead of serving the file apache'll will call the specified script. |
| 20:35.13 | levi-laptop | Huh. Interesting. |
| 20:35.29 | HarleyPig | That way you can have companylogo.gif in all your templates and serve the correct gif file based on the calling domain. |
| 20:35.58 | HarleyPig | Or select an image at random from a subdirectory but never have to change the html. |
| 20:37.17 | HarleyPig | I'm building the pages css file on the fly based on the calling domain and the name requested, but the only thing you'll see in all of the sources is <style type='text/css'>@site.css</style> |
| 20:39.32 | levi-laptop | That's pretty slick, if you're running multiple domains with a lot in common. |
| 20:52.31 | HarleyPig | Even if they aren't the same, if you're doing the designing then that's one less thing you have to worry about when creating the page. Plus, you don't get those 'file doesn't exist' errors in your log. |
| 20:58.48 | HarleyPig | Oh ... cool. My boss just tried creating a 3x7 column of images named sku_1.jpg, sku_2.jpg, sku_3.jpg and so forth and I wrote the backend to return the images in order from the sku image directory or a 1x1 pixel transparent gif. It didn't affect the loading of the page at all ... very cool. |
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| 21:00.16 | HarleyPig | I know, you're thinking why would this be so big. eBay doesn't allow javascript in the description so we've been forced to use some clunky work arounds to get some things working, and it's not cross browser. This just worked on all the browsers we had access to. |
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| 21:03.23 | levi-laptop | Nice. :) |
| 21:03.27 | levi-laptop | Time for me to go. Later. |
| 21:04.41 | HarleyPig | ciao |
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| 21:28.08 | lars-ut | ~191/30 |
| 21:28.09 | ibot | 6.366666666667 |
| 21:43.31 | HarleyPig | ~193/30 |
| 21:43.32 | ibot | 6.433333333333 |
| 21:43.38 | HarleyPig | ~195/30 |
| 21:43.39 | ibot | 6.5 |
| 21:43.45 | HarleyPig | ~197/30 |
| 21:43.46 | ibot | 6.566666666667 |
| 21:43.50 | HarleyPig | Almost |
| 21:44.09 | HarleyPig | ~199/30 |
| 21:44.10 | ibot | 6.633333333333 |
| 21:44.14 | HarleyPig | Crap. |
| 21:44.19 | Maquis | HarleyPig: what you trying to do? |
| 21:45.00 | HarleyPig | :D Nothing... I just noticed that 191/30 was *almost* 6 and 2/3 ... was just seeing what would get closest without going over. |
| 21:45.03 | HarleyPig | I'm bored. |
| 21:45.07 | HarleyPig | Waiting for my ride. |
| 21:45.13 | Maquis | :) |
| 21:47.43 | HarleyPig | bye |
| 21:47.56 | Maquis | bye |
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