| 00:05.47 | Mecworks | Howdy all. Got my technition class license last saturday. Call sign: KE7DYU |
| 00:10.52 | Newsome | yay! |
| 00:11.04 | Newsome | KD7TZK here |
| 00:29.29 | vontrapp | when i try to change the mac addr with ifconfig eth0 hw ether <blah> i get SIOCSIFHWADDR: Device or resource busy |
| 00:30.06 | vontrapp | why is it busy? how do i get it to not be busy? |
| 00:30.22 | vontrapp | hmm, maybe it's ifplugd's fault |
| 00:32.47 | vontrapp | that was it |
| 00:33.02 | vontrapp | yay! now i have open internet! |
| 00:33.15 | tene | yay! |
| 00:33.35 | vontrapp | now if i could only remember what package i was going to install with my magnitudes faster connection |
| 00:34.02 | tene | how is your MAC address related to the speed of your connection? |
| 00:34.11 | vontrapp | it's OCT |
| 00:34.22 | vontrapp | and my desktop has the "static address" service |
| 00:34.37 | vontrapp | i changed my laptop to be my desktop for a bit |
| 00:34.54 | tene | ahh |
| 00:36.25 | vontrapp | ah, that's what is was, acroread |
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| 00:49.22 | vontrapp | ubuntu's acroread package seems a bit broken |
| 00:49.42 | shadoi | vontrapp: I recommend marillat's |
| 01:13.26 | vontrapp | i got the sarge package |
| 01:14.45 | vontrapp | maybe it's not entirely ubuntus fault, i could have dependencies leftover from sarge that didn't work with ubuntu but yet satisfied the dependencies |
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| 01:58.27 | Mecworks | Newsome, cool! I had to step away for a while. BTW, have you done anything with packet radio? |
| 02:06.33 | Newsome | Mecworks: Nope, haven't played around with it |
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| 02:28.03 | fugalh | test |
| 02:29.21 | hans | test |
| 02:29.40 | fugalh | another |
| 02:30.15 | emcnabb | testing |
| 02:30.33 | fugalh | I'm doing IRC over nc |
| 02:31.12 | fugalh | it's kinda fun |
| 02:32.46 | fugalh | /me jumps |
| 02:32.53 | fugalh | /me |
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| 04:23.35 | levi-laptop | Yo. |
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| 04:34.41 | LrnChndlr | hello, i have a question about computer memory, anyone know a lot about that here? |
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| 04:43.25 | tene | ask it |
| 04:43.33 | tene | don't ask if you can ask, just ask. |
| 04:54.38 | LrnChndlr | ok, the memory i have in my computer right now is PC2100 |
| 04:54.49 | LrnChndlr | as far as I can see it is not ECC |
| 04:55.01 | LrnChndlr | it says CL2 on it |
| 04:55.44 | LrnChndlr | does that mean if i want to add more memory i have to add some that is also 'cl2', whatever that means? |
| 04:59.57 | jlp | Mecworks, congrats. jlp == KD7ZWV |
| 05:00.22 | jlp | LrnChndlr, so far as I know, any PC2100 memory should work fine |
| 05:01.58 | tene | LrnChndlr: that's cache latency |
| 05:02.25 | tene | all the memory will use the cache latenc of the slowest module |
| 05:07.01 | LrnChndlr | so is cl2 fast? or slow? |
| 05:08.35 | LrnChndlr | Buy.com has some good cheap pc2100 but it desnt say what the cache latency is |
| 05:08.37 | LrnChndlr | http://www.buy.com/prod/Viking_VC_Value_Memory_256_MB_x_1_DIMM_184_pin_DDR_SDRAM_133_MHz/q/loc/218/10330704.html |
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| 05:30.41 | bucky | it was a hack |
| 05:36.17 | levi-laptop | That's not the sort of block I mean. |
| 05:36.37 | levi-laptop | I mean block closures, as in Smalltalk/Ruby. |
| 05:37.36 | levi-laptop | You can do it in Java via anonymous inner classes, but it's EXTREMELY ugly compared to the same in Smalltalk or Ruby. |
| 05:45.29 | bucky | well.. java is by nature, ugly |
| 05:50.14 | levi-laptop | new Block() { public void run(Object each) { system.out.println("Obj: " + each); } } |
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| 05:52.55 | levi-laptop | In Smalltalk, all you have to do is [ arg | code ] |
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| 12:53.29 | Mecworks | jlp, thanks! |
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| 16:37.34 | hans | chatty day today |
| 16:40.14 | spr | oh yeah, so what was stuart's message about? |
| 16:40.48 | spr | Is it his birthday? |
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| 16:48.20 | goozbach_ | fozz: we've caught up with you |
| 16:48.29 | goozbach_ | I seem to have grown a tail |
| 16:48.43 | goozbach | there that's better |
| 16:49.38 | spr | goozbach, now what is it that y'all mean? |
| 16:49.46 | spr | or must we suffer the inside jokes? |
| 16:49.58 | goozbach | three months ago fozz sent an email to the list |
| 16:50.17 | goozbach | somehow it ended up being postmarked three months in the future |
| 16:50.52 | goozbach | back then sjansen set an at job to send an email today when 'we all caught up' |
| 16:51.02 | spr | nice. |
| 16:52.04 | goozbach | speaking of at jobs |
| 16:52.35 | goozbach | I bet a large number of machines 'woot'ed last thurs morn |
| 16:52.54 | goozbach | in my classes when teaching about the at daemon |
| 16:53.16 | goozbach | I used the date of may 19 at 00:01 for the timespec |
| 16:54.12 | spr | nice |
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| 16:59.30 | fozz | heh. |
| 17:06.11 | HarleyPig | Should've used a time when people would be in class. |
| 17:10.29 | goozbach | HarleyPig: I think that most of the machines were destroyed |
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| 17:27.14 | HarleyPig | Oh. |
| 17:27.45 | HarleyPig | Well, so much for that idea. It would have been pretty funny though. Especially if you got the mpg that yells "Hey everyone! I'm watching porn!" |
| 17:33.02 | hans | a smartypants engineer is complaining that his processor is only being half utilized and it's slowing him down. anyone know why xp would only use half the processor (I assume he's rendering stuff that is cpu-intensive for a long period of time) |
| 17:33.33 | mrpull | is it a hyperthreaded CPU? |
| 17:33.38 | mrpull | and a singlethreaded app? |
| 17:33.45 | hans | he sent task manager screenshots and it sure looks like it's stuck at 50% |
| 17:33.51 | HarleyPig | xp is deliberately throttlng his cpu (because it can't throttle him) |
| 17:33.59 | hans | it's a p4, probably hyperthreaded eh? |
| 17:34.02 | Bradipo | I never trust the Windows system monitoring utilities. |
| 17:34.03 | mrpull | if you look at taskmanager, only one of the "cpus" will be pegged |
| 17:34.07 | Bradipo | They never seem to be correct. |
| 17:34.09 | mrpull | and it will say that the CPU is 50% |
| 17:35.14 | mrpull | say "overall" cpu usage is 50% |
| 17:35.26 | hans | taskmanager only has one cpu |
| 17:35.36 | hans | that I see |
| 17:35.47 | mrpull | hrmm... in that case... he is crazy :) |
| 17:36.32 | mrpull | however, i've seen what he is talking about with a simple CPU intensive app |
| 17:36.40 | mrpull | like a simple password cracker |
| 17:37.19 | mrpull | but that is a on a P4 with hyperthreading enabled and 2 cpu's in taskman |
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| 18:06.51 | mrpull | anybody looked at pythonchallenge.com? |
| 18:07.00 | mrpull | it's kinda fun for a nonprogrammer like me |
| 18:11.37 | goozbach | ~rot13 k |
| 18:11.37 | ibot | x |
| 18:11.43 | goozbach | nope |
| 18:11.59 | tene | ... |
| 18:47.07 | HarleyPig | ARGGHH! I can get the sample code working for soap::lite but I can't get my fortune to work, but the same sub works from a pl script! |
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| 19:14.23 | HarleyPig | Anyone used soap::lite successfully? |
| 19:15.45 | hans | i did a simple soap server/app in ruby once |
| 19:16.00 | hans | or mayb eit was perl |
| 19:16.09 | hans | been awhile. |
| 19:17.32 | HarleyPig | I just plain cannot see the difference between these two modules. One gives a response and one does not (the example included iwth soap lite works). |
| 19:18.40 | HarleyPig | There aren't even any error messages in the error_log. However, in the access_log I get "POST / HTTP/1.1" 200 570 for the one that works and "POST / HTTP/1.1" 500 747 for the one that doesn't. |
| 19:18.57 | HarleyPig | So, it's dying somewhere ... but danged if I can figure out where. |
| 19:20.13 | HarleyPig | I have a command line client that accesses the module and it prints out a fortune just fine. |
| 19:25.14 | levi-laptop | hans: I just discovered the contortions you have to go through to get block closures in Java. Although it's cool that it's possible, at least, it's probably not something I'll use a lot due to the ugliness. |
| 19:26.01 | hans | that almost describes my feelings about java |
| 19:28.33 | levi-laptop | I also found an interesting paper regarding Iterators as a sign of language weakness. |
| 19:30.05 | hans | i'd like to read that one |
| 19:34.42 | hans | great |
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| 19:44.17 | levi-laptop | hans: It's up now. |
| 19:45.33 | levi-laptop | That ll1-discuss mailing list archive is pretty interesting. Lots of luminaries discussing things there. |
| 19:54.25 | lars-ut | Does anybody have video or audio of Brandon's MythTV presentation? |
| 19:55.11 | lars-ut | I'll set up a shell acount for the winner. |
| 19:56.08 | lars-ut | Then again DCC'ing it to me would be pretty easy, too. |
| 19:56.18 | levi-laptop | For anyone who's interested in what I was talking to hans about: http://lifeoflevi.com/lisp/ |
| 20:01.21 | HarleyPig | YEEEHAW! I got it ... now to make javascript work! |
| 20:20.18 | tapH20guru | anyone recommend a hosting provider? I was looking at linode.com or westhost. |
| 20:21.07 | spr | I'm pretty happy with linode |
| 20:21.09 | tensai | linode is all that it's cracked up to be |
| 20:22.58 | tapH20guru | it seems linode doesn't have up to date distros tho... "Ubuntu 4.10 (-new-)" |
| 20:23.29 | barkingspider | tapH20guru: I used made2own.com for a while...good service. |
| 20:24.28 | tapH20guru | barkingspider: root access? |
| 20:24.55 | barkingspider | hmmm I don't think so. I used a program that had in the control panel to install anything I needed. |
| 20:25.06 | barkingspider | I think you have to request ssh too |
| 20:25.12 | spr | tapH20guru, the distros lag behind because not all of them will work with a uml kernel (from what I understand) |
| 20:25.20 | tapH20guru | ahh... |
| 20:25.27 | tapH20guru | just looking for hoary :) |
| 20:25.29 | barkingspider | they have have changed and may work with you....best way is to contact them. They probably just thought I was a n00b which I was. |
| 20:27.19 | tapH20guru | wow - linode's lish looks sweet |
| 20:31.39 | Newsome | it's okay |
| 20:32.18 | tapH20guru | almost a ip kvm |
| 20:32.38 | Newsome | It would be nice if it accepted ctrl-D to disconnect. |
| 20:32.57 | Newsome | Yeah, you can do that sort of thing with UML |
| 20:33.21 | tapH20guru | so far i'm sold on linode |
| 20:33.31 | tapH20guru | any bad experineces? |
| 20:34.03 | Newsome | Not really. I've used Linode for over a year and a half. |
| 20:34.38 | Newsome | There have been a couple datacenter problems, but I wouldn't blame those on Linode. |
| 20:34.48 | tapH20guru | uptime been ok? |
| 20:35.41 | Newsome | 14:35:05 up 62 days, 12:19, 1 user, load average: 1.24, 1.07, 1.04 (load averages are currently buggy...subtract 1) |
| 20:35.46 | spr | My host machine rebooted for a kernel upgrade on the 5th. No downtime since. |
| 20:35.58 | tapH20guru | nice... |
| 20:36.14 | tapH20guru | and it's cheap... off to order a linode |
| 20:37.01 | tapH20guru | d@#& technology... taking all my money |
| 20:37.01 | spr | :) |
| 20:38.54 | barkingspider | So, if you're married, that makes you a polygamist since you're basically also married to your hobby. Or your hobby could be considered an unruly teen. |
| 20:39.22 | tapH20guru | maybe more like I'm a tech whore |
| 20:39.44 | barkingspider | shameless hussy! ;) |
| 20:41.47 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 20:42.31 | barkingspider | I like technology...wish I had a gps for hiking |
| 20:44.28 | tensai | or for wardriving |
| 20:48.16 | Bradipo | barkingspider: You can probably find a GPS for $50 |
| 20:55.16 | barkingspider | Yeah, but I'm broke right now. :) |
| 20:55.22 | barkingspider | Payday is next week though... |
| 20:55.59 | mrpull | barkingspider: the magellan exporist 600 is cool :) |
| 20:56.47 | barkingspider | Coolness. I will have to get one during summer so I can use it for hiking...but it depends on how busy my 6 credit hours keeps me. |
| 20:59.15 | barkingspider | I hope I have time for some hiking. |
| 20:59.55 | mrpull | barkingspider: start geocaching... you can do a bunch of mini-hikes all around the valley |
| 21:00.10 | mrpull | it doesn't take much time, but gives you an excuse to get outside |
| 21:00.31 | mrpull | and somehow almost justifies spending 400 bucks on a Gpsr |
| 21:01.40 | barkingspider | That would be fun mrpull :) |
| 21:02.51 | barkingspider | Gotta do some chores...catch ya later guys |
| 21:14.24 | tapH20guru | anyone use web://cp and like it? cPanel / Plesk are too much $ |
| 21:26.03 | emcnabb | http://www.itv.com/news/britain_1832334.html |
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| 21:48.49 | hans | emcnabb: well, look at cleavers |
| 21:49.04 | hans | they don't have pointy tips, but they manage to be murder weapons too |
| 21:51.16 | Bradipo | You know, I would rather have a pointy knife in my home than a blunt one like a cleaver. |
| 21:51.26 | Bradipo | Much easier to defend myself if that is the only weapon of choice around. |
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| 21:51.42 | Bradipo | So, while there may not be a culinary use for a point, there is certainly an advantage. |
| 22:04.48 | tapH20guru | does Utah Ruby And Python Users Group have their website up yet? |
| 22:05.08 | tapH20guru | i'd like to add it to planetutah |
| 22:08.27 | dataw0lf|w | Nay. |
| 22:10.49 | dataw0lf|w | It should be up in a ~week. I'll probably finish this Immersion mouse driver tomorrow then I'll have time to do so. |
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| 22:24.32 | levi-laptop | What's the website going to be built with? |
| 22:25.10 | dataw0lf|w | a combination of python and ruby, of course. |
| 22:25.34 | levi-laptop | Any particular toolkits/frameworks, or a from-scratch sort of thing? |
| 22:26.16 | dataw0lf|w | mod_python with my own custom framework. As far as Ruby goes, you'd have to ask synic or bigdog_ut, they're the Ruby organizers of the group, I don't have any plans on learning it. |
| 22:26.54 | levi-laptop | I resisted learning Ruby too, but I'm more interested in it now that I've played with Smalltalk. |
| 22:27.08 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, but I'm trying to cut down on my language base, honestly. |
| 22:27.46 | dataw0lf|w | Python and C/C++... *shrug* PHP is a necessary evil, unfortunately, but I'm trying to phase it out. |
| 22:28.41 | levi-laptop | I'm in a language exploration phase right now. I want to become familiar with a large group of different sorts of programming languages, and discover what works best for me. |
| 22:29.00 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, that's what I'm coming from :). |
| 22:29.32 | levi-laptop | I even picked up a free book on Ada. |
| 22:30.11 | dataw0lf|w | I briefly perused Ada when I thought I was going to join the Air Force instead of the Army. |
| 22:30.48 | dataw0lf|w | (as a programmer) |
| 22:30.59 | levi-laptop | Looks like Pascal with systems programming features. |
| 22:31.01 | dataw0lf|w | but, stupid me, I decided to Rambo it. |
| 22:31.36 | dataw0lf|w | I didn't find it to be very interesting. |
| 22:32.56 | levi-laptop | I just skimmed the book, but it looks like it's got some powerful stuff in it. |
| 22:32.57 | dataw0lf|w | I went on the Forth trip for a while. |
| 22:34.37 | levi-laptop | Haven't got to Forth yet. It's never been too appealing to me. |
| 22:34.42 | levi-laptop | Not sure why. |
| 22:39.47 | tapH20guru | maybe rails for the URPUG website? :) |
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| 23:14.20 | bonez39 | is it possible to fax a .pdf file? |
| 23:15.20 | tensai | sure. step 1, print pdf. step 2, insert into fax machine. |
| 23:15.44 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 23:27.18 | hans | bonez39: if you have a hylafax server, you can do it at the command line too |
| 23:31.29 | bonez39 | hans: I should set up hylafax ... do you use it much? |
| 23:32.28 | hans | not personally, but the company does. |
| 23:32.45 | hans | at least, to receive faxes (which are printed on network printers) |
| 23:33.36 | bonez39 | I should check it...I am currently using an Efax account..it's 10 per month, plus usage..I am probably paying way too much.... |