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| 01:30.25 | bucky | go Ken Jennings |
| 01:59.46 | goozbach | bucky: how's he doing? |
| 01:59.51 | goozbach | I missed it here |
| 02:00.06 | bucky | ken wasn't on his game |
| 02:00.18 | bucky | that brad guy won all three shows |
| 02:01.13 | bucky | brad rutter |
| 02:01.21 | goozbach | dang |
| 02:01.25 | bucky | he ran some catagories like latin |
| 02:01.45 | goozbach | there were some categories yesterday that none of them could handle |
| 02:01.50 | bucky | the guy has a nice liberal education and he's real fast on the buzzer |
| 02:02.11 | goozbach | yesterday ken was getting pissed towards the end of the second round |
| 02:02.21 | bucky | ken is well read in poetry and dickenson |
| 02:02.24 | goozbach | he slammed his buzzer down on the last clue |
| 02:02.35 | goozbach | I thougt it was funny |
| 02:02.37 | bucky | brad knows shakespere |
| 02:03.00 | bucky | well that was the game winner... it was close yesterday |
| 02:04.56 | bucky | at the end of the game today it was a run away... no one could catch brad and he just didn't wager anything in final jeopardy |
| 02:05.20 | bucky | but he was the only one with the correct answer as well.... also like yesterday |
| 02:07.18 | bucky | brad only got one answer wrong today.. i think - leopold II |
| 02:08.21 | bucky | i like ken.. he is a nice guy |
| 02:08.42 | bucky | wow that was cool |
| 02:09.00 | bucky | the contender was pretty good yesterday too |
| 02:09.18 | bucky | Sergio Mora beat Peter Mancuso |
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| 15:01.26 | hans | go nokia |
| 15:02.04 | levi-laptop | Morning, #utahns. |
| 15:02.36 | vontrapp | what doth nokia? |
| 15:02.58 | hans | http://www.ovum.com/news/euronews.asp?id=2636 |
| 15:04.12 | hans | also http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=138719&liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID=1&liChannelID=9&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1 |
| 15:08.30 | HarleyPig | They even used a decent distro! |
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| 15:11.03 | jsmith | !seen fozz |
| 15:11.13 | jsmith | ~seen fozz |
| 15:11.40 | ibot | fozz <~fozz@166.70.238.250> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 23h 35m 17s ago, saying: '~seen jsmith'. |
| 15:11.40 | jsmith | Hmmmn... |
| 15:11.53 | jsmith | Figures. |
| 15:12.10 | mrpull | fozz: tag... you're it! |
| 15:12.12 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 15:18.04 | hans | lvm gurus, how can I show which pv the lv's are on? |
| 15:19.32 | hans | or, even better, which lv's are on a pv |
| 15:22.24 | dataw0lf|w | pvdisplay -v ? |
| 15:22.32 | dataw0lf|w | unsure. |
| 15:24.01 | hans | yeah, that does the trick. not exactly terse, but sufficient |
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| 15:58.30 | hans | "Of course, anything you can do with a 10-cent pencil can also be accomplished with a 3-gigahertz computer chip." |
| 15:58.38 | hans | http://online.wsj.com/article_email/0,,SB111705821195243399-Ihjg4NjlaN4np2oaX6IcaqBm4,00.html |
| 16:01.40 | levi-laptop | Nice quote. :) |
| 16:05.18 | hans | the nice thing about the chip is that I can access it wherever I go, whereas I keep losing papers :) |
| 16:05.37 | hans | backpack is pretty cool. Our own Jamis (minam) is one of the devs. |
| 16:12.24 | vontrapp | why does this stupid .immsd_lock file get left behind so often? |
| 16:13.04 | tene | vontrapp: write a cron job to delete it every five minutes. |
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| 16:34.02 | mrpull | my coworker just reminded me of the good old days when we had to park hard drives before shutting down |
| 16:34.10 | mrpull | ahhh... the good old days |
| 16:34.30 | mrpull | when 10MB was more than we could imagine using |
| 16:36.48 | tyce | :) |
| 16:36.57 | tyce | I remember those days fondly |
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| 16:37.50 | mrpull | it sure was better than loading those games from a tape recorder |
| 16:38.37 | jsmith | Better than trying to use a 300 baud modem to get on a BBS. |
| 16:39.06 | mrpull | linux journal (maybe mag) has an article on running BBS's this month |
| 16:39.27 | mrpull | i thought about starting one up again |
| 16:39.41 | jsmith | Read it. |
| 16:43.46 | flyboy^ | You still have a modem? I haven't used a modem in... years. |
| 16:44.06 | mrpull | i have a few modems collecting dust |
| 16:45.08 | flyboy^ | The only people I know that still use modems are both over 50. ;) |
| 16:46.20 | vontrapp | is it still ok to park at the mouth of provo canyon for extended periods? i remember reading a sign there once that made it seem like it's not |
| 16:46.48 | hans | vontrapp: just park on the street up above the gas station |
| 16:47.05 | hans | jacob's done it since those signs appeared without getting caught, but the signs are pretty unambiguous |
| 16:47.11 | vontrapp | who owns that parking lot anyway? |
| 16:47.15 | hans | and, imho, the city is pretty darned tightwad greedy for putting them there. |
| 16:47.41 | vontrapp | what did the signs say? i can't remember |
| 16:47.44 | mrpull | how long is "extended periods"? |
| 16:47.54 | vontrapp | from tomorrow morning till monday evening |
| 16:47.58 | mrpull | we were planning a bike ride & picnic there this weekend |
| 16:48.51 | vontrapp | they want people to carpool, but don't let them park |
| 16:49.41 | hans | well, if you're going to recreate in the canyon, you're ok to park there |
| 16:49.48 | hans | that's the "purpose" of that parking lot |
| 16:50.36 | mrpull | we'll recreate |
| 16:50.54 | vontrapp | does recreating the great vernal escapade of '01 count? |
| 16:51.20 | vontrapp | er, that was '03 |
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| 17:12.14 | tyce | any 'Lost' watchers in here? |
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| 17:16.56 | indesse1 | anybody have experience with selinux? |
| 17:17.19 | indesse1 | i'm trying to get apache (php) to be able to run imagemagick, to no avail |
| 17:29.43 | emcnabb | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/tmp/morningafter.wmv |
| 17:29.48 | emcnabb | this is pretty funny |
| 17:31.44 | Jayce^ | ok cooking folks, www.8legged.com is worth the time |
| 17:31.51 | Jayce^ | one of the writers for good eats does it |
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| 17:53.43 | vontrapp | "pure energy" |
| 17:55.23 | mrpull | speaking of BBS's |
| 17:55.24 | mrpull | http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/ |
| 18:00.00 | vontrapp | stupid callback functions |
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| 18:14.04 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 18:14.17 | mrpull | Hhhhhello! |
| 18:15.00 | Hhhhh | hmm, I'm running Fedora Core 3, I installed the new nForce drivers but I can't get the sound to work. It simply doesn't do anything. Any ideas? |
| 18:15.53 | goozbach | check alsamixer |
| 18:16.04 | Hhhhh | someone who would like to show his/her knowledge/expertise? |
| 18:16.05 | goozbach | make sure jack sense is muted |
| 18:16.27 | Hhhhh | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 18:16.36 | Hhhhh | i get that error when runing alsamixer |
| 18:19.15 | lars-ut | livecds... Kanotix, Knoppix, Slax, or something else? What's your favorite? |
| 18:19.53 | mrpull | lars-ut: old faithful... knoppix |
| 18:20.58 | mrpull | ubuntu is a good option too... (let's start a distro war) |
| 18:21.08 | lars-ut | hoary? |
| 18:21.13 | mrpull | yeah. |
| 18:21.17 | lars-ut | is that the live Ubuntu? |
| 18:21.29 | mrpull | there is a livecd version of hoary |
| 18:22.18 | tapH20guru | I'm a hoary fan, but nuthin beats good old Knoppix |
| 18:22.55 | mrpull | it depends on what you want/need. there are security based livecds that are nice too |
| 18:23.09 | tapH20guru | mm.... knoppix-std |
| 18:23.37 | mrpull | IIRC, std is nearing a new release |
| 18:25.00 | tapH20guru | auditor and whippix are also good security livecds |
| 18:25.18 | tapH20guru | er.. whppix |
| 18:26.21 | lars-ut | I've used Auditor before, didn't seem to be well maintained |
| 18:28.00 | lars-ut | Whoppix & knoppix-std look interesting |
| 18:28.25 | tene | phlak is nice |
| 18:28.40 | tapH20guru | whoppix used to have some real slick flash tutorials on their site |
| 18:29.03 | Hhhhh | *sigh* at last I know why my nforce driver won't work |
| 18:29.16 | Hhhhh | nForce 4 isn't supported yet :( |
| 18:29.23 | Hhhhh | *sniff* |
| 18:35.55 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 18:36.08 | tapH20guru | don't forget auditor :) |
| 18:36.14 | lars-ut | Already have it |
| 18:38.00 | mrpull | anybody try feedtagger? |
| 18:42.35 | lars-ut | That whoppix site in Belgium is slow - like 89K/s |
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| 18:45.42 | HarleyPig | Anyone have any experience with mod_alias and mod_action with apache1 and can tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
| 18:45.55 | HarleyPig | err ... mod_actions |
| 18:47.21 | HarleyPig | I'm trying to alias an index file for two virtualhosts and using mod_actions to run a cgi script to load a different css file based on the host name. |
| 18:53.28 | HarleyPig | Well, #apache is useless. They're discussing the evolutionary reasons for shapely tushes in woman. |
| 18:53.41 | dataw0lf|w | /join #apache |
| 18:53.54 | mrpull | dataw0lf|w beat me to the punch... *rimshot* |
| 18:54.05 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 18:56.13 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 18:56.35 | HarleyPig | Anyone familiar with mod_alias and/or mod_actions? |
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| 19:11.21 | lars-ut | Back! You fiendish sheet metal... you might take the skin of my hands, but you'll never take... ouch. |
| 19:16.52 | HarleyPig | It's been blooded. It'll behave now. |
| 19:17.44 | lars-ut | I should have figured that out before. All the case requires for submission is a bit of blood. |
| 19:24.05 | HarleyPig | But it can't be voluntary blood. That just seems to make them even wierder. |
| 19:27.05 | HarleyPig | Can someone tell me why ScriptAlias /global-cgi /var/www/global-cgi and Action text/css /global-cgi/css.pl would work for manually typing in the site.css but it not showup from an html page? |
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| 19:33.15 | vontrapp | is a table the only html element that won't try to fill the whole width? |
| 19:36.01 | vontrapp | HarleyPig: check out the access logs, see if the request strings are really the same |
| 19:36.06 | vontrapp | that's my only suggestion |
| 19:36.15 | vontrapp | and it's only that, a suggestion |
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| 19:51.31 | tene | steal one. |
| 19:51.52 | vontrapp | tene: ok, leave your door unlocked tonight |
| 19:51.59 | tene | I don't have one. |
| 19:52.04 | vontrapp | :( |
| 19:52.12 | tene | I've got a crapy netgear wifi router. |
| 19:52.15 | tene | You don't want it. |
| 19:52.37 | vontrapp | you're jedi mind tricks won't work on me, tenobi |
| 19:52.45 | tene | hehe |
| 19:52.58 | tene | It crashes. |
| 19:52.59 | tene | A lot. |
| 19:53.37 | vontrapp | yeah, i don't want a crashing router |
| 19:54.26 | tene | you could steal my net connection. |
| 19:54.29 | tene | Comcast. |
| 19:54.50 | tene | the connection goes down multiple times daily, and they just screwed with blocking some ports. |
| 19:54.57 | tene | and it dies more often if I use it heavily. |
| 19:55.13 | tene | don't even *try* torrents without limiting your upload to beneath 20k |
| 19:55.47 | HarleyPig | vontrapp: the access logs don't show a request attempt at all for the css file. |
| 19:56.00 | vontrapp | where's it getting it then? |
| 19:56.04 | vontrapp | cache maybe? |
| 19:56.45 | HarleyPig | Sorry ... if I enter test.hpp.com/site.css it works, the access logs show it, etc. If I type test.hpp.com the index page loads just fine tbut there is never a request for the css file. |
| 19:57.07 | HarleyPig | :] And I'm positive the tag is there. You can look for yourself: test1.harleypigprogramming.com |
| 19:57.46 | HarleyPig | I've tried both the @import method and the <style src> method. |
| 19:58.34 | dataw0lf|w | '/site.css' |
| 19:59.01 | dataw0lf|w | are you chrooted? |
| 19:59.30 | HarleyPig | Nope. |
| 19:59.45 | dataw0lf|w | have you tried 'site.css' ? |
| 19:59.58 | HarleyPig | If that works I'm gonna tear out my hair. |
| 20:00.02 | vontrapp | i'm getting a not found error |
| 20:00.05 | vontrapp | for the css |
| 20:00.23 | vontrapp | when loaded by the page, but not when loaded directly |
| 20:00.26 | dataw0lf|w | I'm not |
| 20:00.50 | dataw0lf|w | test1.harleypigprogramming.com/site.css |
| 20:00.50 | vontrapp | right, that works |
| 20:00.50 | dataw0lf|w | he's saying '/site.css' |
| 20:00.54 | dataw0lf|w | he needs 'site.css' |
| 20:01.13 | vontrapp | but the loading the page, then using web developer extension/edit css i get not found |
| 20:01.18 | HarleyPig | Nope. That didn't work either |
| 20:01.42 | HarleyPig | What's web developer? |
| 20:01.45 | vontrapp | still get a not found |
| 20:01.50 | vontrapp | it's a firefox extension |
| 20:01.53 | vontrapp | very usefule |
| 20:01.57 | HarleyPig | test.hpp.com/site.css is not a real file. |
| 20:01.58 | vontrapp | sr,re kl useful |
| 20:02.00 | vontrapp | ~lart fingers |
| 20:02.27 | dataw0lf|w | extremely useful, HarleyPig, speeds up web development by x10, even for design idiots like me. |
| 20:02.31 | vontrapp | try using <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="site.css"/> instead |
| 20:02.44 | dataw0lf|w | vontrapp got it before I could, darn. |
| 20:03.10 | HarleyPig | Oh ... I have that actually. |
| 20:03.12 | dataw0lf|w | add a media="all" in der too. |
| 20:03.24 | HarleyPig | Ok ... I'll try that. |
| 20:03.41 | hans | anyone want to go to lagoon on the 4th for $21? |
| 20:04.19 | dataw0lf|w | if that doesn't work, and this sounds whacked, mkdir include/ move the css file there and then use import on include/site.css |
| 20:05.26 | dataw0lf|w | assuming that your css file and your index.html are in the same directory, aye? |
| 20:05.46 | hans | HarleyPig: sounds to me like you need some napalm |
| 20:05.50 | HarleyPig | link didn't work. |
| 20:05.50 | HarleyPig | heh |
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| 20:06.19 | HarleyPig | dataw0lf|w: no, any request for a css file is redirected to a css.pl script elsewhere and the css is built on the fly. |
| 20:06.20 | hans | does it have anything to do with that BASE tag? |
| 20:07.00 | dataw0lf|w | HarleyPig: ho, ho. |
| 20:07.02 | HarleyPig | Yep. Thanks. |
| 20:07.05 | dataw0lf|w | I see. |
| 20:07.18 | HarleyPig | I wasn't even looking at that. |
| 20:07.20 | hans | HarleyPig: it was the base tag? |
| 20:07.30 | HarleyPig | hans: yep |
| 20:07.34 | vontrapp | i didn't see a base tabg |
| 20:07.38 | hans | you can send me flowers |
| 20:07.41 | vontrapp | looked for one |
| 20:07.58 | vontrapp | oh, there it is |
| 20:11.24 | mrpull | HarleyPig: did you get your ajax fortune running? |
| 20:14.19 | HarleyPig | No ... I gave up and am going back to apache1. This just impressed the hell out of my boss though, so it wasn't a complete waste of time. |
| 20:14.54 | hans | glad you got the hell out of your boss |
| 20:14.59 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 20:17.18 | HarleyPig | both test1 and test2.harleypigprogramming.com are completely virtual. There aren't any filesystem files at all. |
| 20:17.57 | mrpull | hans the exorcist has a nice ring to it |
| 20:17.59 | HarleyPig | But I didn't have to do anything like src="css.pl?parm=blah" |
| 20:18.18 | dataw0lf|w | s/pl/py |
| 20:18.59 | HarleyPig | And we don't have to do the style tags any differently for any site (on the html side). |
| 20:19.10 | HarleyPig | We can do the same for common images too. |
| 20:19.49 | HarleyPig | Like companylogos ... just have <img src="companylogo.jpg"> and let the server decide which image to return. |
| 20:20.29 | HarleyPig | If you couldn't tell. I'm a little excited. |
| 20:21.30 | hans | that is pretty slick |
| 20:21.45 | Jayce^ | s/py/somebody else/ |
| 20:21.46 | hans | let out a good belly laugh |
| 20:22.38 | vontrapp | a new irc acronym! loagbl |
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| 20:49.29 | Newsome | http://kutv.com/utah/UT--PhonesOut-en/resources_news_html |
| 20:57.35 | Bradipo | Sweet. |
| 20:57.49 | Bradipo | Were the high speed fiber cables for UTOPIA? |
| 20:57.50 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 20:58.13 | jsmith | Bradipo: Of course... |
| 20:59.03 | tapH20guru | i hope utopia goes somewhere |
| 20:59.12 | Bradipo | Well, I think it is. |
| 20:59.25 | Bradipo | But not to my home. |
| 20:59.33 | Bradipo | My city isn't participating unfortunately. |
| 20:59.41 | tapH20guru | mine either |
| 20:59.43 | tapH20guru | :9 |
| 21:01.36 | goozbach | peregrine around? |
| 21:01.44 | goozbach | guess not |
| 21:06.39 | emcnabb | I can get him for oyu |
| 21:06.40 | emcnabb | you |
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| 21:09.40 | Lone_Wanderer | How can I cound the number of lines in all files of a certain type in a directory and all subdirectories? |
| 21:11.01 | mrpull | uw -l * |
| 21:11.15 | mrpull | (except for maybe the subdirectory part (-: ) |
| 21:11.23 | mrpull | wc -l * |
| 21:11.25 | Lone_Wanderer | will uw count only files of a certain type? |
| 21:11.26 | mrpull | wtf? |
| 21:11.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I only want it to count .php files (yes I know, php isn't a real language, etc.) |
| 21:11.45 | mrpull | my fingers went on strick for a second |
| 21:12.03 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh yes. this only does this one directory. |
| 21:13.56 | Newsome | find . -name "*.php" |wc -l |
| 21:14.05 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks :) |
| 21:14.40 | Lone_Wanderer | that gives a lower number than... |
| 21:14.49 | Lone_Wanderer | that just lists all the filenames |
| 21:14.59 | Lone_Wanderer | find . -name "*.php" does, that is |
| 21:15.13 | Newsome | okaaay... |
| 21:15.23 | Newsome | so, the number of lines in all the .php files? |
| 21:15.28 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 21:15.45 | Newsome | do you need just the total? |
| 21:15.54 | Lone_Wanderer | total lines in all php files in this directory and below |
| 21:16.21 | mrpull | find . -name "*.php" | xargs wc -l |
| 21:16.27 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks :) |
| 21:16.29 | Newsome | yep |
| 21:16.51 | Lone_Wanderer | huh, only 9,500 lines. that's a bit lower than I was hoping for. |
| 21:17.03 | mrpull | put in more comments :) |
| 21:17.09 | levi-laptop | Why were you hoping for more lines? |
| 21:17.37 | Lone_Wanderer | so I can say to someone "This app has X,000 lines of code, I can't be expected to grok it in a single day!" |
| 21:17.54 | Lone_Wanderer | where X has two digits or more |
| 21:18.13 | Newsome | nearly 10,000 isn't too bad |
| 21:18.18 | Lone_Wanderer | that's true |
| 21:18.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I could say it has nearly 10,000 lines of code. That sounds pretty impressive. |
| 21:18.31 | mrpull | add 500 lines of license in each file |
| 21:18.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll just add a single file with 500 lines of license |
| 21:19.48 | Newsome | GPL is like 300+ |
| 21:20.20 | mrpull | throw in some ASCII art too |
| 21:20.34 | Lone_Wanderer | that'll do it |
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| 21:30.05 | levi-laptop | Yes, but it's php. Can you be expected to grok any amount of someone else's php in one day? |
| 21:30.28 | levi-laptop | Any nontrivial amount, I guess I should amend. |
| 21:31.20 | Lone_Wanderer | that depends entirely on how well it's written |
| 21:31.24 | Lone_Wanderer | just as with any other language |
| 21:31.36 | Lone_Wanderer | as you well know, mr. php basher |
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| 21:37.06 | lars-ut | HarleyPig: So I pulled the molex connector from the hard drive in the system I was working on, rearranged the optical drives/jumpers & plugged the molex connector back in. Hard Drive no spin up now. |
| 21:37.59 | lars-ut | I looked a little closer after swapping power cables... |
| 21:38.41 | lars-ut | And the connection deom the red wire on the connector was broken on the hdd circuit board. |
| 21:39.12 | levi-laptop | Well, the LOC count a given person can absorb per day varies based on the expressiveness of a line of code. Languages vary greatly in that metric. Php isn't too bad in that department, but there are other variables in which it doesn't do so well. |
| 21:39.55 | Lone_Wanderer | that's true |
| 21:40.31 | levi-laptop | Actually, maybe it's not. |
| 21:40.46 | Lone_Wanderer | but how well written the code is can have a huge impact on it |
| 21:41.06 | Lone_Wanderer | bigger, I would argue, than which language it's written in, at least if you're confining the argument to c-based languages |
| 21:41.08 | lars-ut | HarleyPig: That's what I get for pulling Molex connectors, I guess. Now comes the good part of the story: I bent the metal together so it made contact - the drive spun up and I grabbed the data I needed off of it. If it were soldered it would probably even last a while. |
| 21:41.08 | levi-laptop | Probably the LOC you can absorb per day is closer to constant, and the expressiveness determines how much those lines of code do. |
| 21:41.43 | levi-laptop | Lone_Wanderer: If you were writing it in C, there would be a LOT more LOC. Thus it would take you longer to understand it |
| 21:41.55 | Lone_Wanderer | right |
| 21:42.02 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, okay |
| 21:42.03 | Lone_Wanderer | so maybe not then |
| 21:42.17 | Lone_Wanderer | hey, what's a fourth generation language? |
| 21:42.45 | levi-laptop | A term that's not in common use anymore. ;) |
| 21:42.59 | Lone_Wanderer | you know what I mean :p |
| 21:43.56 | levi-laptop | It means higher level (closer to human languages) than high level languages like C, C++, etc. |
| 21:44.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Do they not work so well? |
| 21:44.14 | levi-laptop | 1st gen language = machine code |
| 21:44.21 | levi-laptop | 2nd gen language = assembly language |
| 21:44.23 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 21:44.34 | levi-laptop | 3rd gen language = C, C++, Java |
| 21:44.50 | levi-laptop | SQL probably counts as a 4gl. |
| 21:44.57 | levi-laptop | And it works just fine. |
| 21:45.01 | Lone_Wanderer | mmkay |
| 21:45.44 | levi-laptop | AppleScript probably counts as a 4gl, too. |
| 21:45.57 | Lone_Wanderer | haven't learned applescript |
| 21:46.01 | Lone_Wanderer | is it good? |
| 21:46.18 | HarleyPig | lars-ut: Good thinking! |
| 21:46.47 | HarleyPig | Perl is an Nth generation language. |
| 21:46.49 | levi-laptop | It's good if you want to script stuff on an Apple computer. |
| 21:46.55 | HarleyPig | For relative values of N. |
| 21:47.11 | levi-laptop | Perl is a 3rd gen language, according to the given taxonomy. |
| 21:47.33 | HarleyPig | I stand by my fanatical statement. |
| 21:47.43 | levi-laptop | 4th gen languages are typically domain-specific languages. |
| 21:47.54 | Jayce^ | levi-laptop, agreed, it has elements of 4gl, and can be largely programmed as such, but still falls back on a 3g core |
| 21:49.46 | HarleyPig | With inline you can even do assembly. And of course, you can dump hex using pack ... |
| 21:50.17 | levi-laptop | inline is not using the language. |
| 21:50.23 | levi-laptop | It's using another language inline. |
| 21:50.38 | levi-laptop | Which is irrelevant to the classification of the language itself. |
| 21:50.41 | HarleyPig | I'm being fanatical here. Please don't expect me to be reasonable. |
| 21:51.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Perl sucks! |
| 21:51.12 | HarleyPig | Perl! Perl! Perl uber alles! |
| 21:51.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah but I can run pretty dang fast. |
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| 21:52.03 | levi-laptop | Perl just isn't a 4gl. SQL is a 4gl. |
| 21:52.06 | Jayce^ | not fast enough :) |
| 21:52.06 | HarleyPig | Not that fast. |
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| 21:53.03 | levi-laptop | There's a wide range of high-to-low level languages in the 3gl family. |
| 21:53.04 | HarleyPig | You made it back. Must not have been a hard kick. |
| 21:53.39 | Lone_Wanderer | will eclipse handle python? |
| 21:54.06 | levi-laptop | Is there any language eclipse doesn't have plugins for now? |
| 21:54.19 | HarleyPig | COBOL? |
| 21:54.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Am I supposed to answer every question with a question of my own? |
| 21:54.32 | HarleyPig | Why? |
| 21:55.01 | levi-laptop | 4gls are typically declarative, too. |
| 21:55.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you really think "why" is that impressive of a question ot respond with? ;) |
| 21:55.16 | levi-laptop | (So my suggestion that AppleScript is a 4gl may not be correct) |
| 21:55.35 | HarleyPig | No, but it was the quickest I could come up with, don't you think? |
| 21:55.40 | HarleyPig | that was lame |
| 21:55.59 | HarleyPig | levi-laptop: Dunno. Don't know AppleScript |
| 21:56.12 | levi-laptop | But the term was invented in relation to databases, and is not terribly useful anymore, so we might as well forget about it. |
| 21:56.55 | HarleyPig | I'm trying to. I associate 4GL with this horrible program that was supposed to make programming in COBOL89 easier. |
| 21:56.56 | Lone_Wanderer | there's a game at Comedy Sportz where two people from opposite teams have to answer each other with questions repeatedly. it's fun. |
| 21:57.22 | Jayce^ | Rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead :) |
| 22:00.37 | lars-ut | great movie |
| 22:03.24 | levi-laptop | HarleyPig: http://www.eclipse.org/cobol/ |
| 22:06.07 | levi-laptop | http://eclipse-plugins.2y.net/eclipse/plugins.jsp?category=Languages |
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| 22:37.57 | HarleyPig | levi-laptop: That's sick and wrong! |
| 22:38.20 | fozz | Well, FWIW - Sons Of Nothing playing at The Velvet Room tonight. |
| 22:38.34 | fozz | I was hoping this would be the debut of my all-Linux setup... |
| 22:38.45 | fozz | but not this time. Maybe next show. |
| 22:39.03 | fozz | http://www.sonsofnothing.com/RockShow/gig/121/ |
| 22:39.22 | fozz | Pink Floyd tribute show, for those who are uninitiated. |
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| 22:39.36 | fozz | Tonight's show will feature a complete performance of the Wish You Were Here album. |
| 22:39.44 | fozz | And other stuff. |
| 22:40.00 | Jayce^ | dangit fozz, you're supposed to give more warning |
| 22:40.01 | mrpull | what is the cover? |
| 22:40.09 | Bradipo | $7 |
| 22:41.00 | fozz | Jayce^: Oh- Look who's talkin. |
| 22:41.05 | fozz | mrpull: $7 |
| 22:41.43 | fozz | It's not until 9:30 - so get the kids in bed and come on out. :) |
| 22:42.09 | mrpull | sounds like fun. |
| 22:42.20 | mrpull | fozz: are you one of the performers? |
| 22:42.40 | Jayce^ | fozz, whatchoutalking'bout willis? |
| 22:43.24 | fozz | mrpull: We like to consider the lighting, sound-effects, and video projection as instruments that are used to produce a good tribute to Pink Floyd. |
| 22:43.32 | fozz | I am the wielder of those instruments. |
| 22:43.44 | mrpull | fair enough |
| 22:48.18 | fozz | When I get this Linux thing ready to go... I'll make a special announcement to the LUGs. :) |
| 22:48.20 | mrpull | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.26 | fozz | It's gonna be cool when it's done. |
| 22:48.30 | mrpull | is it really sold out? |
| 22:48.39 | mrpull | or just cant buy tix online anymore? |
| 22:48.45 | fozz | mrpull: I hope so... but I would think they're still going to have some at the door. |
| 22:49.05 | fozz | probably just too late to get them online. |
| 22:49.16 | mrpull | how frequently do you play in the valley? tonight is too soon to pull off... but it sounds like fun |
| 22:50.48 | fozz | We usually play around here once or twice a month. |
| 22:51.05 | fozz | Next show is at the Galavan Center downtown. All ages. Free show. June 29 |
| 22:51.12 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 22:51.22 | Jayce^ | interesting to do lighting there |
| 22:51.25 | mrpull | outdoors? that should be fun |
| 22:51.35 | fozz | Tonight's show, however... will be very cool. |
| 22:51.42 | fozz | The Velvet Room is a nice big place. |
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| 22:54.28 | bucky | Jennings has parlayed his success into product endorsement deals (with Cingular Wireless and Microsoft, among others) as well as a deal to produce his own television game show for Comedy Central. But this was probably his last appearance on the "Jeopardy!" set. |
| 23:08.05 | Jayce^ | stupid thing, even with my robots.txt, has done over 3.2gb of traffic *so far this week*! on my box |
| 23:12.08 | lars-ut | yep - we had the same problem on the uvlug server |
| 23:12.21 | lars-ut | it does not obey robots.txt |
| 23:12.46 | Jayce^ | I found the supposed commands on their site to talk to it, it apparently ignores that |
| 23:12.59 | lars-ut | I think it does reveal its agent though, so you may be able to block it by agent type |
| 23:13.12 | Jayce^ | and it redownloads the same things every time, even if it's unchanged... stupid developers |
| 23:13.35 | lars-ut | It got in a loop in our pical module |
| 23:14.32 | lars-ut | I think we finally took the module offline - I'm trying to remember - it was back in January. I'd have to ask Gabe... |
| 23:16.17 | bucky | lars-ut, what module is that lars? |
| 23:16.38 | lars-ut | it was Xoops pical |
| 23:17.05 | bucky | can you put a redirect rule in and redirect that traffic to msn.com ? |
| 23:17.27 | lars-ut | My advice would be to block MSNbit completely - give it the digital finger, if you will. |
| 23:17.35 | bucky | ic |
| 23:18.05 | lars-ut | bucky: not a bad idea though. |
| 23:18.11 | lars-ut | the redirect... |
| 23:20.48 | bucky | lars-ut, i've heard of people doing it with worms.. let me see if i can find an example |
| 23:21.18 | lars-ut | bucky:thx |
| 23:21.40 | hans | this has got to be the dumbest "howto" I have ever seen. http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=FreeNX_Howto |
| 23:22.31 | bucky | "I used a safe means of loading msnb.txt." is that the problem you're dealing with lars-ut |
| 23:23.04 | bucky | A brief look reveals that this baby belongs to the Umax spammers. I have msnb.txt saved if anyone wants a copy without risking their system. |
| 23:23.12 | Bradipo | hans: Yeah, that's pretty hilarious. |
| 23:23.31 | Bradipo | Ideally... |
| 23:23.40 | lars-ut | bucky: At the time we were only using robots.txt the msnb.txt is specific to their bot then? |
| 23:23.59 | bucky | http://www.carelessthought.com/?p=839 |
| 23:24.02 | bucky | i'm not sure |
| 23:24.33 | hans | a bot on #nx just did something ibot should learn to do |
| 23:24.43 | bucky | looks like an exploit posing as an msn bot |
| 23:24.46 | hans | I posted a link, and it fetched the title and said what the title it |
| 23:24.52 | hans | is |
| 23:25.06 | bucky | that would be cool hans :) |
| 23:25.56 | bucky | i'm just searhing around lars |
| 23:25.57 | hans | too bad ibot doesn't learn new tricks |
| 23:26.18 | Bradipo | No way to inject new code from IRC eh? |
| 23:26.19 | bucky | you can't teach an old bot new tricks |
| 23:26.39 | lars-ut | unfortunately, bucky, I think MSNbot probably is ignoring established practices & standards |
| 23:26.57 | lars-ut | I don't think it was a worm |
| 23:27.13 | bucky | lars-ut, probably because it's not really the msnbot.. it's a fake... a worm |
| 23:27.53 | lars-ut | Jayce probably would have figured it out if it that was the case, don't ya' think? |
| 23:28.04 | lars-ut | ~jedi MSNbot |
| 23:28.06 | ibot | ACTION jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows MSNbot to pieces |
| 23:28.34 | lars-ut | bucky, that's still a possibility, though. |
| 23:28.55 | hans | Bradipo: that could be fun, a distributed bot that grows as the community slathers code on it |
| 23:29.26 | bucky | so redirect it back to msn and let them deal with it... better yet post your soulution on /. lars-ut |
| 23:29.52 | lars-ut | http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum97/93.htm |
| 23:30.10 | bucky | hans, WifiFred in wireless is pretty cool http://www.bcwireless.net/moin.cgi/WifiFred?PHPSESSID=731a9cb01ddf5300cdf52148c94f7f44 |
| 23:32.43 | bucky | lars-ut, here's an example redirect if that doesn't work http://www.sensiblesoftware.com/articles/a/Redirect-Worms-Away.html |
| 23:33.01 | bucky | gotta go to the rez.. bbl |
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