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| 01:58.37 | emcnabb | this is a classic statement on a website: |
| 01:58.41 | emcnabb | You've missed out on $312.60 savings. Opt in to our email and start saving now! |
| 01:58.58 | emcnabb | (godaddy.com) |
| 01:59.43 | emcnabb | that's a lot of savings for a domain name registration site |
| 02:08.54 | Newsome | Especially considering it's less than $9 per domain per year. That's a lot of domains (or years) |
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| 07:35.26 | tene | yargh! |
| 07:35.36 | tene | ubuntu apt repos are down. |
| 07:48.33 | levi-laptop | Whee, I have a lisp web toolkit loaded on my laptop now. |
| 07:48.57 | tene | awesome |
| 07:49.40 | levi-laptop | This is the toolkit: http://weitz.de/tbnl/ |
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| 14:01.31 | HarleyPig | Can anyone help me get virtual hosting working with apache2? |
| 14:02.18 | macnewbold | HarleyPig: whatcha need? |
| 14:03.11 | HarleyPig | Apparently my hand held through a walk through. |
| 14:03.28 | HarleyPig | I thought I understood the docs but i'm getting connection refused. |
| 14:04.28 | macnewbold | you on port 80? |
| 14:04.33 | macnewbold | or ssl on 443? |
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| 14:04.41 | HarleyPig | port 80 |
| 14:05.01 | macnewbold | do you have a Listen directive? |
| 14:05.20 | macnewbold | (cnxn refused isn't a virt hosts problem, btw, it's a general problem) |
| 14:05.37 | macnewbold | (when your virthost isn't working, you pick up the default one instead of the one you meant to get) |
| 14:06.00 | HarleyPig | That's what I thought, but I can ping the subdomain, ssh into it, ftp, etc. |
| 14:06.05 | macnewbold | sounds dumb, but you might also check that httpd is running |
| 14:06.48 | HarleyPig | Yeah, Listen 80 in the main httpd.conf (heh ... that's the first thing I checked. The default page is responding and I'm reading the manual as well). |
| 14:07.14 | HarleyPig | I just double checked the Include path and it's correct. Hmmm ... Does Include allow for wildcards? |
| 14:07.23 | HarleyPig | Include conf/vhosts.d/*.conf |
| 14:07.36 | HarleyPig | I'm not getting any errors. |
| 14:08.02 | macnewbold | ps auxww | grep httpd |
| 14:08.17 | macnewbold | apachectl configtest |
| 14:08.23 | HarleyPig | yep and yep |
| 14:08.50 | HarleyPig | well, wait... |
| 14:09.01 | macnewbold | okay, so how are you getting cnxn refused if the default page will come up? |
| 14:09.02 | HarleyPig | ps is fine, but I'm running /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 14:09.09 | HarleyPig | That's why I'm confused. |
| 14:09.21 | macnewbold | never tried that, but it could work, I guess... depends on the distro, it looks like |
| 14:09.40 | macnewbold | after you reload, tail /var/log/httpd-error.log or whatever it is |
| 14:09.57 | HarleyPig | What the heck? |
| 14:10.02 | macnewbold | is your virt host on a different IP address than the main server? |
| 14:10.08 | HarleyPig | This is wierd: |
| 14:10.16 | HarleyPig | localhost apache2 # ping serverinfo.harleypigprogramming.com |
| 14:10.16 | HarleyPig | PING serverinfo.harleypigprogramming.com (70.85.1.127) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 14:10.16 | HarleyPig | 64 bytes from car2-6-v1.dllstx2.theplanet.com (12.96.160.22): icmp_seq=1 ttl=254 time=1.06 ms |
| 14:10.27 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 14:10.34 | macnewbold | bizarro |
| 14:10.39 | HarleyPig | Why would my ping come back with one ip and ping another? |
| 14:11.11 | macnewbold | try running host or dig on your domain names, both the "real" one and the virtual one you're working on |
| 14:12.27 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... |
| 14:12.38 | HarleyPig | harleypigprogramming.com. 86372 IN A 70.85.31.127 |
| 14:12.38 | HarleyPig | serverinfo.harleypigprogramming.com. 86271 IN A 70.85.1.127 |
| 14:13.10 | HarleyPig | I wonder why that would be ... I'm running djbdns with wildcard handling for subdomains and I'm a n00b at it ... could I be screwing something up somewhere? |
| 14:14.03 | macnewbold | ah |
| 14:14.12 | macnewbold | note one big difference between those two addresses: |
| 14:14.44 | HarleyPig | Yeah, I saw that ... that's why I'm wondering if I screwed up with my dns somehow. |
| 14:14.58 | HarleyPig | But this is from the same host running the dns server. |
| 14:15.41 | HarleyPig | I am. I'm an idiot. |
| 14:16.43 | HarleyPig | Ok. I've fixed the data file, how do I restart the djbdns server. I forget. |
| 14:16.48 | macnewbold | no idea :) |
| 14:16.53 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 14:17.07 | HarleyPig | Stoopid typos. |
| 14:17.14 | macnewbold | yeah, they get me quite often :) |
| 14:17.15 | HarleyPig | It's all their fault. |
| 14:17.50 | bonez39 | HarleyPig: macnewbold : just curious...if either of you use VOIP? |
| 14:18.02 | HarleyPig | I want to, don't have the resources at the moment. |
| 14:18.10 | macnewbold | bonez39: no, but I set up vonage for a client a while back |
| 14:18.43 | HarleyPig | Oh ... it's already being handled. I'm just going to have wait for the change to propogate |
| 14:18.44 | HarleyPig | *sigh* |
| 14:19.11 | bonez39 | macnewbold: I have it at home and at work....it works pretty well....but I am thinking of moving to broadvoice...which would allow me to manage my adapter myself.. |
| 14:19.11 | macnewbold | looks like your TTL is a day :) |
| 14:19.36 | macnewbold | what does managing your adapter yourself do for you? /me isn't sure what the difference is. |
| 14:20.01 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... I guess I should change that until things stabilize. |
| 14:22.22 | macnewbold | I use Namecheap and their DNS servers, and they keep their TTLs low all the time (looks like about 15 seconds, but I'm not sure), so changes take effect immediately |
| 14:22.36 | macnewbold | and I've never noticed any performance problems or DNS server downtime. |
| 14:23.03 | macnewbold | biggest downside of low ttls is higher traffic to your dns server, but for most domains, it isn't a big deal |
| 14:23.59 | HarleyPig | heh ... it won't be a problem to mine for awhile. |
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| 14:26.41 | HarleyPig | Hey Jayce^ |
| 14:26.50 | Jayce^ | wow, you're working early today HarleyPig |
| 14:27.01 | HarleyPig | Remember that problem I was having with subdomains being refused but the main page was working? |
| 14:27.19 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 14:27.20 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... we have a possible investor meething this morning. crossed-fingers. |
| 14:27.32 | HarleyPig | I typo'd the wildcard int eh dns setup. |
| 14:28.00 | Jayce^ | hehe |
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| 14:32.55 | bonez39 | macnewbold: instead of having to call Vonage..if I am dropping packets..I can just tweak it myself...it's like having some web host or email host where one has to ask them to change one's password, versus, just being able to log on and change it directly...without their intervention..it's CONTROL |
| 14:33.38 | macnewbold | cool |
| 14:34.40 | bonez39 | I had someone tell me the other day to try www.pingplotter.com to trace the hops made when I connect to an ip at a web address....is there anything for linux similar to pingplotter? |
| 14:35.05 | bonez39 | pingplotter is windows based..I am sure there's other things like this for linux...I just don't know what to look for |
| 14:35.37 | HarleyPig | Try xtraceroute ... I dunno if it's even still available but it seemed interesting a few years ago. |
| 14:36.14 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... now I'm getting the default 'test' page when going to the subdomain ... macnewbold, can you help me with that? |
| 14:37.19 | macnewbold | so your dns is working now, and you're seeing the right IP? (if not, you can add it to your hosts file for a day :) ) |
| 14:37.38 | macnewbold | what's your virthost declaration look like? (1st line) |
| 14:39.54 | bonez39 | traceroute seems to do it... |
| 14:39.55 | HarleyPig | Yeah, ip is correct now (went to info instead of serverinfo). |
| 14:40.03 | HarleyPig | <VirtualHost *> |
| 14:40.13 | macnewbold | that's for your default one, right? |
| 14:40.28 | macnewbold | btw, you've got a NameVirtualHost directive in there, right? |
| 14:40.54 | HarleyPig | Nope... oh being I'm an idiot again aren't I. Yeah, NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 14:41.15 | HarleyPig | With apache 1, I had to leave vh as * or I would get wierd errors. |
| 14:41.28 | HarleyPig | With apache 2 I need to have <VH info.hpp.com>? |
| 14:43.04 | HarleyPig | That looks like that did it. So, with apache2 I need to the full domain name in the declaration. |
| 14:43.43 | macnewbold | all of mine in apache2 use "NameVirtual host ip.addr.x.x:80" for the addrs, |
| 14:44.01 | macnewbold | and <VirtualHost ip.addr.x.x:80> on the virt hosts |
| 14:44.26 | macnewbold | then inside, they have the ServerName and ServerAlias list, |
| 14:44.30 | macnewbold | which determines how it matches |
| 14:44.46 | macnewbold | my way isn't the only way I'm sure, but it works for me |
| 14:44.56 | HarleyPig | That's the fun of opensource! |
| 14:48.15 | HarleyPig | Oh! I just found mod_action! Very cool! |
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| 15:20.01 | HarleyPig | I'd like to setup a wildcard subdomain for my virtual hosts. E.g., I have the following top level path: /var/www/com/hpp ... I'd like to be able to create subdirectories at will under that top level directory and be able to access it like dir.hpp.com. Does anyone have any pointers on how to do this? I already have wildcard dns setup. |
| 15:21.05 | HarleyPig | I'm using apache2. |
| 15:23.17 | macnewbold | mod_rewrite sounds like it might work |
| 15:23.34 | Jayce^ | agreed |
| 15:23.59 | macnewbold | make a virt host that matches *.hpp.com in the ServerAlias list, |
| 15:24.14 | macnewbold | then set up mod rewrite to convert dir.hpp.com into hpp.com/dir/ |
| 15:24.19 | macnewbold | or something like that |
| 15:25.27 | HarleyPig | Ok ... thanks. I'll see what I can come up with. Hmmm ... that doesn't seem like it would handle errors very well though. Like checking to see if a directory existed or not. |
| 15:26.28 | macnewbold | no, you'd just get normal 404 behavior |
| 15:26.47 | macnewbold | though you could do something smart if hpp.com/.htaccess set up a 404 error.php script or something |
| 15:27.09 | Jayce^ | bleh, don't do it in the .htaccess |
| 15:28.37 | HarleyPig | Yeah, just do a global 404 that pulls from a template |
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| 15:36.10 | tene | hmm |
| 15:36.13 | tene | cars on ebay |
| 15:36.23 | fozz | ~seen jsmith |
| 15:36.27 | ibot | jsmith <~jsmith@64.50.35.114.2O7.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk-doc, 1d 15h 57m 37s ago, saying: 'And that I'm not going to teach people how to write AGI scripts in Java, C#, or VB.net'. |
| 15:36.27 | tene | ? |
| 15:36.32 | tensai_ | houses on ebay too. imagine the shipping & handling |
| 15:38.20 | tene | anyone have any experiences positive or negative? |
| 15:39.53 | hans | I once had a negative experience with a thistle bush |
| 15:43.52 | tensai | hans: it was probably more traumatic for the thistle |
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| 16:31.01 | tensai | server mysteriously reboots after 5 minutes when in the RAID configuration menu, but not in the BIOS setup menu nor after it's booted |
| 16:31.12 | tensai | solution: don't stay in the RAID configuration menu |
| 16:37.08 | hans | tensai: is that an IBM technote or something? :-) |
| 16:37.35 | tensai | no, it's my own note |
| 16:37.48 | tensai | maybe I should work in customer support :) |
| 16:39.15 | hans | so I hear rumors of kde and gnome running on hurd |
| 16:39.40 | tensai | that would fit since hurd is just a rumor in the first place |
| 16:43.13 | HarleyPig | Anyone familiar with vhost_alias? |
| 16:43.29 | levi-laptop | hans: I'll bet mheath could confirm or deny it. |
| 16:44.42 | tensai | any idea what kind of store would carry a 66 block? Lowe's apparently doesn't. |
| 16:44.45 | hans | if he's not too busy enjoying his increased productivity |
| 16:44.58 | hans | 66 block? as in route 66? |
| 16:45.06 | hans | that's a bit further south. |
| 16:45.12 | tensai | as in a 25 pair punch down block |
| 16:45.46 | hans | i'm still lost |
| 16:45.54 | tensai | ever been inside a phone closet? |
| 16:46.53 | tensai | http://www.phonegeeks.com/66blocks.html |
| 16:51.08 | spr | tensai, there's a telecomm place in provo that carries them, unfortunatly I can't remember their name |
| 16:52.23 | Newsome | tensai: you might be able to get those at Codale |
| 16:54.22 | tensai | I'm trying to figure out what kind of store sells them since I'm in Idaho Falls |
| 16:54.50 | Newsome | hmm, okay |
| 16:54.58 | Newsome | electrical supply? |
| 16:56.44 | tensai | nothing in the phone book looks the least bit promising |
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| 16:57.42 | Newsome | no electricity in Idaho Falls yet? |
| 16:57.54 | tensai | hamster power |
| 16:58.07 | hans | maybe hamsters don't need that many phones |
| 16:58.40 | tensai | I've got a half dozen installed in my offices, so they had to come from somewhere |
| 16:59.04 | vontrapp_ | hamsters? |
| 16:59.13 | tensai | heh. no, 66 blocks |
| 16:59.15 | hans | tensai: just replicate one |
| 16:59.25 | hans | right-click and click on duplicate |
| 16:59.42 | vontrapp_ | bah, waited to long to upgrade, "Need to get 201MB of achrives." |
| 17:00.02 | hans | vontrapp_: that's when you go to lunch |
| 17:00.45 | vontrapp | it's on my other computer, which only serves as the keyboard and mouse host |
| 17:00.58 | vontrapp | so it doesn't interrupt anything |
| 17:02.01 | hans | except your bandwidth |
| 17:03.23 | tene | sw33t, I just got a hold of the guy that worked on my car after my wrek 1.5 yrs ago |
| 17:03.26 | tene | he'll do the boots, axles, and struts for $450 |
| 17:04.20 | Newsome | tensai: try looking for D&S Electrical Supply or Platt Electric Supply in your phonebook |
| 17:05.59 | vontrapp | tene: what kind of boots? |
| 17:06.31 | vontrapp | ~lart car repairs |
| 17:06.58 | vontrapp | but hey, my car is quiet now :) |
| 17:07.30 | vontrapp | hans: now you won't know i'm coming from a block away |
| 17:09.53 | vontrapp | openoffice takes too long to start |
| 17:11.07 | tene | vontrapp: cv boots |
| 17:11.23 | vontrapp | that's what i thought |
| 17:11.29 | tene | the garage I took it to estimated repairs at $1400 |
| 17:11.34 | vontrapp | my cv's are going out again |
| 17:11.50 | vontrapp | stupid cvs |
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| 17:15.10 | tensai | Newsome: thanks. I'll check them out. |
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| 17:45.35 | HarleyPig | Anyone have an example of a soap::lite module I can examine? |
| 17:46.27 | hans | o/~ I got a clean as real as ivory. 99.94 |
| 18:06.29 | hans | hrmm, suse's postfix package doesn't include qshape |
| 18:06.36 | hans | what to do |
| 18:12.27 | hans | oh, it's just a perl script |
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| 18:58.35 | HarleyPig | Crap for crap! Anyone know how to write a server side soap::lite module and set it up in apache2 |
| 18:58.36 | HarleyPig | ? |
| 18:58.49 | HarleyPig | using mod_perl |
| 18:58.58 | HarleyPig | or another way if that's better. |
| 18:59.37 | Jayce^ | Apache::Soap well Apache2::Soap (or the straight fix) |
| 19:00.15 | bigdog_ut | Harley..u just want a soap server? |
| 19:00.35 | vontrapp | w00t, she passed |
| 19:03.39 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... I know how to write the client. |
| 19:03.51 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: What's better about SOAP over SOAP::Lite? |
| 19:06.32 | HarleyPig | Just for my own edification I'm trying to write a fortune soap server, then a javascript client. Then I can write a demo that will show my boss what I'm talking about as far as AJAX. |
| 19:07.03 | hans | fun |
| 19:07.21 | hans | does your boss not know about maps.google.com and gmail? |
| 19:07.33 | HarleyPig | He knows about gmail but he thinks taht's beyond us. |
| 19:07.56 | HarleyPig | Or, I should say, me. Also, he doesn't see how it could apply to our business. |
| 19:08.02 | hans | mm, fun. defeatism is hard to combat. |
| 19:08.31 | HarleyPig | Yeah. That's why I want to do this so I can show him a concrete example. |
| 19:09.13 | HarleyPig | Not the fortune mod ... he hates having to reload the page when all he's doing is saving different fields in a form. Which is what this would be perfect for. |
| 19:10.14 | tene | anyone know syslog well? |
| 19:11.44 | HarleyPig | No, it's more of a foaf thing ... |
| 19:11.53 | HarleyPig | quack |
| 19:12.18 | Jayce^ | Apache::Soap is soap::lite with mod_perl |
| 19:12.39 | HarleyPig | Jayce^: Thanks. |
| 19:12.52 | HarleyPig | So that's part of why I'm having such a hard time making those examples work. |
| 19:12.57 | Jayce^ | going? |
| 19:13.14 | HarleyPig | ibot, whack Jayce^ |
| 19:13.15 | ibot | ACTION whacks Jayce^ upside the head. |
| 19:13.49 | HarleyPig | Sorry. My fingers slipped. |
| 19:14.42 | Jayce^ | outta the nose and right onto the keyboard |
| 19:14.56 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 19:15.07 | Jayce^ | begone, or I shall taunt you again.. |
| 19:16.28 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, you did look at http://search.cpan.org/~byrne/SOAP-Lite-0.60a/lib/Apache/SOAP.pm right |
| 19:18.41 | HarleyPig | Yeah, but that's not the same as http://search.cpan.org/dist/SOAP/ |
| 19:19.12 | HarleyPig | And that's the one I'm having trouble with. Although I've kind of moved in other directions since I looked at that. |
| 19:20.46 | Jayce^ | yeah, difference |
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| 19:43.43 | tensai | tene: what about syslog? |
| 19:44.11 | tene | nm, I found it |
| 19:44.15 | tene | I was looking for logrotate |
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| 19:48.03 | tensai | well, there you go |
| 19:51.57 | mheath | <hans> so I hear rumors of kde and gnome running on hurd <--- No idea, actually. Its been a bit since I've been able to use GNU, unfortunately |
| 19:52.00 | mheath | Entirely possible, though |
| 19:52.12 | mheath | Last I knew there was just a couple minor problems preventing it from running |
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| 19:59.47 | HarleyPig | Well aren't I the stoopid one ... examples/server/Apache.pm in the cpan distro ... |
| 19:59.56 | tene | yay! |
| 20:00.19 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 20:14.02 | vontrapp | gah! what the heck is kjournald? |
| 20:14.21 | vontrapp | oh, the k is for kernel |
| 20:14.28 | vontrapp | i was fearing some kde abomination |
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| 20:34.53 | HarleyPig | Ok ... this is getting annoying. |
| 20:37.06 | hans | HarleyPig: if it's just an AJAX proof of concept, why not set up an easy soap server like with perl or ruby? |
| 20:37.12 | hans | why futz with mod_perl on apache? |
| 20:37.38 | Jayce^ | mod_perl is very nice for that |
| 20:37.46 | HarleyPig | Because it's what we're going to be using if I can convinc him. |
| 20:37.49 | hans | nice, but apparently harder to setup? |
| 20:37.59 | HarleyPig | No. I'm just dense. |
| 20:37.59 | Jayce^ | should be extremely simple to setup |
| 20:38.05 | hans | I've never done it, but when I played with soap over two years ago, the ruby server was cake to set up |
| 20:38.09 | hans | (separate process) |
| 20:38.55 | Jayce^ | you can do it either way (and more) with the perl one, in mp/apache it's just a little config in the example |
| 20:40.14 | vontrapp | what does soap do exactly? |
| 20:40.45 | HarleyPig | Makes it easy to transfer data in xml format. |
| 20:41.20 | HarleyPig | makes data transfer more transparent |
| 20:42.39 | vontrapp | how does a client (e.g. browser) use soap? do you have to use javascript on your page? |
| 20:42.55 | HarleyPig | Wait ... Jayce^ you mentioned that SOAP::Lite needs a patch for mod_perl2? |
| 20:44.24 | HarleyPig | vontrapp: For web pages anything that runs on the browser can call a soap server |
| 20:44.31 | HarleyPig | as long as it understandss the response. |
| 20:44.45 | HarleyPig | but ou can also do server side stuff |
| 20:44.48 | HarleyPig | like aggregation. |
| 20:44.58 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, yeah, it does |
| 20:45.45 | Jayce^ | randy kobes has an Apache2::Soap in a package of his, that works (I used it), and he made a patch available that should be in the next release of apache::soap |
| 20:48.47 | HarleyPig | Well crap. That's why it's not working. I hope. |
| 20:48.58 | HarleyPig | Can you point me to the patch? |
| 20:51.02 | Jayce^ | I can email it, what addy you want it at? |
| 20:51.41 | Jayce^ | otherwise it's on cpan inside his cpan::lite or something like that, you can just grab apache2::soap from it.. |
| 20:51.47 | hans | so would you say ifup/ifdown is pretty much a standard thing? |
| 20:51.48 | Jayce^ | don't need the rest of it |
| 20:52.09 | HarleyPig | My gmail one |
| 20:52.43 | Jayce^ | which one? |
| 20:52.53 | Jayce^ | k |
| 20:54.24 | HarleyPig | thx |
| 20:54.25 | vontrapp | hans: i seem to recall ifup/ifdown on red hat |
| 20:54.44 | vontrapp | but i don't think it was on gentoo |
| 20:54.49 | vontrapp | can't remmeber for sure |
| 20:54.51 | vontrapp | HarleyPig: ? |
| 20:55.25 | HarleyPig | No, gentoo uses /etc/init.d/net.<device> |
| 20:56.21 | lars-ut | Anybody here use sshfs? |
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| 20:56.43 | HarleyPig | sorry ... it puts everything in net.<device> with common functions in netmount. |
| 20:56.57 | HarleyPig | lars-ut: I did for awhile ut it was too unstable. But that was awhile ago. |
| 20:57.19 | vontrapp | lars-ut: shfs? |
| 20:57.33 | vontrapp | as in an fs over ssh? |
| 20:57.36 | HarleyPig | Treats a ssh connection as a filesystem. |
| 20:57.53 | vontrapp | i use it sometimes, still seems a bit unstable |
| 20:58.04 | vontrapp | but if you use -p it seems to do a lot better |
| 20:58.22 | lars-ut | #debian_ was discussing it - sometimes I get tired of scp for stuff |
| 20:58.44 | vontrapp | don't use it to transfer large files, it maxes at about 2MB |
| 20:58.54 | lars-ut | yikes |
| 20:59.03 | vontrapp | 2MB/sec |
| 20:59.04 | vontrapp | that is |
| 20:59.10 | lars-ut | ahh... |
| 20:59.35 | lars-ut | for me that would be fine for remote filesystems |
| 21:00.33 | lars-ut | I also wanted to ask advice on your favorite Debian-related IRC channels... Anyone? |
| 21:08.09 | Jayce^ | here :) |
| 21:08.13 | Jayce^ | ibot == apt |
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| 21:10.56 | lars-ut | ~#utah |
| 21:10.57 | ibot | rumour has it, #utah is the place for advocacy in Utah and just about the coolest place on freenode |
| 21:11.32 | lars-ut | I guess that makes me cool - AND an advocate. |
| 21:12.14 | HarleyPig | ~lars-ut |
| 21:12.27 | HarleyPig | Nope ... |
| 21:12.30 | lars-ut | lol |
| 21:12.31 | hans | lars-ut: #utah |
| 21:12.44 | hans | if you don't mind sjansen bashing us |
| 21:12.55 | hans | he's around less these days anyway |
| 21:13.17 | lars-ut | ~lars-ut |
| 21:13.18 | ibot | you are, like, a cool advocate. |
| 21:13.27 | lars-ut | that clears that up. |
| 21:13.35 | hans | ~lars-ut is also a sith |
| 21:13.36 | ibot | hans: okay |
| 21:13.43 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:13.55 | HarleyPig | ~lars-ut |
| 21:13.56 | ibot | i heard lars-ut is a cool advocate. a sith |
| 21:14.03 | HarleyPig | oops |
| 21:15.48 | lars-ut | ~lars-ut |
| 21:16.54 | tene | ~boom |
| 21:16.55 | ibot | The World's First Linux-Only Modification For Quake 2. URL: http://fragland.net/boom/ |
| 21:16.57 | tene | ~explode |
| 21:16.58 | ibot | BOOOM |
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| 21:19.28 | HarleyPig | boom 404'd |
| 21:19.38 | levi-laptop | hans: Why doesn't sjansen hang out here anymore? |
| 21:19.44 | levi-laptop | hans: Is he too good for us now? |
| 21:19.57 | ggundy | I think he got a job |
| 21:20.12 | hans | i think he's trying to be productive or something |
| 21:20.57 | levi-laptop | Bah. :) |
| 21:21.15 | ggundy | makes the rest of us look bad. |
| 21:22.23 | HarleyPig | Dangit ... I knew I shoulda just stayed with Apache1. |
| 21:22.26 | hans | or good, if we can be productive _and_ hang out on irc. ;-) |
| 21:22.41 | levi-laptop | We need a computer workers' union or something so we can prevent behavior like that. |
| 21:22.42 | lars-ut | I was under the impression the irc WAS productive. |
| 21:22.57 | hans | if only I got paid by the irc line |
| 21:23.14 | HarleyPig | There'd be a lot more lines like |
| 21:23.16 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 21:23.17 | HarleyPig | and |
| 21:23.20 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:23.23 | emcnabb | levi-laptop, he's on the road right now |
| 21:23.28 | emcnabb | no net access |
| 21:23.33 | levi-laptop | Heh. I don't think I'd want that, unless it was a lot per line. I tend to lurk a lot more than talk. |
| 21:23.41 | levi-laptop | emcnabb: Ahh, that'd explain it. |
| 21:23.49 | emcnabb | he also said that he thought he was "wasting" too much time |
| 21:24.36 | levi-laptop | Where /are/ his priorities? |
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| 21:24.38 | ggundy | Yeah - only if I got paid to... Oh wait - nevermind. |
| 21:24.47 | rr72 | utah sux |
| 21:24.52 | rr72 | so does does dataw0lf |
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| 21:24.59 | emcnabb | he's likes reading a lot of blogs |
| 21:25.07 | emcnabb | to me that's boring and a waste :-) |
| 21:26.05 | lars-ut | I think irc should be considered a "team building" activity - just like watching sci-fi movies with co-workers. |
| 21:26.16 | HarleyPig | :D |
| 21:26.22 | lars-ut | There - now I feel better about being paid to type here. |
| 21:26.41 | levi-laptop | It's a brain-loosening activity to help with problem solving. |
| 21:26.42 | HarleyPig | irc is a valuable problem solving resource. |
| 21:26.57 | emcnabb | I agree with everyone :-) |
| 21:27.03 | hans | me too |
| 21:27.06 | hans | except sjansen |
| 21:27.12 | emcnabb | time to play with ibot some more... |
| 21:27.16 | hans | that's why he left, he was wasting too much time disagreeing with me |
| 21:27.18 | emcnabb | ~lart hans |
| 21:27.26 | ggundy | sci-fi movies? Notice no "I" in team. |
| 21:27.30 | levi-laptop | And me. |
| 21:27.35 | emcnabb | I'm becoming a team player by playing with ibot |
| 21:27.36 | lars-ut | ouch - that was a harsh lart |
| 21:27.37 | emcnabb | ~lart hans |
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| 21:27.45 | emcnabb | hotmal? |
| 21:28.10 | lars-ut | One of the best moments in my career was when a newly hired manager told me I wasn't a team player. |
| 21:28.13 | vontrapp | heh, that one has been broken forever |
| 21:28.35 | hans | :) |
| 21:28.46 | hans | lars-ut: did you tell him there's no I in team? |
| 21:29.24 | lars-ut | No, I left the team to go on to work as a techinical trainer in another dpet for 8k more. |
| 21:29.43 | hans | but you didn't get to play with the team! |
| 21:29.57 | lars-ut | Guess he was right. |
| 21:34.09 | lars-ut | hans: I'm gonna use that line that next time I hear the Anthony Robbins crap. |
| 21:35.07 | HarleyPig | Hey! He made Hal see things clearly! |
| 21:35.09 | HarleyPig | Or not. |
| 21:36.06 | tyce | alright Im placing a call for help out... I have a first gen iPod with only a firewire connection on. I don't have firewire, so Im looking for something to convert firewire to usb.. Anyone know of a quick and easy way to do this? |
| 21:36.22 | HarleyPig | Buy a new iPod |
| 21:36.25 | tyce | :) |
| 21:36.33 | HarleyPig | You didn't mention a price limit. |
| 21:36.50 | tensai | firewire card is only $20 bucks |
| 21:36.52 | tyce | true... "quick easy and 'cheap' way of doing this" |
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| 21:37.15 | hans | tyce: give it to me, I have firewire |
| 21:37.23 | HarleyPig | usynic: You keep bouncing like that and we're gonna have a game of basketball. |
| 21:37.29 | tyce | right, but I can't crack open my pc here at work... against the rules :( |
| 21:37.31 | HarleyPig | Or pong. |
| 21:37.44 | levi-laptop | tyce: Buy an iBook. |
| 21:37.44 | lars-ut | Jai-Alai |
| 21:37.56 | HarleyPig | So you want a firewire to usb converter? |
| 21:38.05 | tyce | hahahahaha once again... cheap |
| 21:38.09 | tyce | yeah |
| 21:38.19 | tyce | not sure if they make anything for that though |
| 21:38.23 | lars-ut | tyce: spend the money. |
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| 21:38.41 | tyce | can't bring laptop into work either |
| 21:38.57 | levi-laptop | That's lame. |
| 21:38.59 | hans | tyce: load it up at home? |
| 21:39.04 | lars-ut | yup |
| 21:39.04 | tyce | thats why Im just trying to use the old iPod (20 gig) to xfer files. |
| 21:39.28 | hans | oh if you just need to xfer stuff, get a usb stick |
| 21:39.35 | hans | $30 or better if you find a deal |
| 21:39.40 | tyce | not big enough |
| 21:39.54 | tyce | I need atleast a few gigs |
| 21:40.01 | lars-ut | $71 for PQI 1GB on Newegg - that should be enough to transfer newly acquired files |
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| 21:40.22 | tyce | which is why the stupid Ipod would have worked perfectly had I have a firewire connection on this pc |
| 21:40.24 | HarleyPig | google usb firewire converter |
| 21:40.30 | lars-ut | your puter at work have USB 2.0? |
| 21:40.47 | tyce | yes |
| 21:40.47 | HarleyPig | ~google usb firewire converter |
| 21:40.47 | tyce | I have |
| 21:40.48 | tyce | keep finding hubs |
| 21:41.01 | tyce | that look like you need both usb and firewore already to use it |
| 21:42.31 | levi-laptop | I doubt you're going to find anything like that. |
| 21:43.04 | vontrapp | wow, one of those usb to ide cables could be useful |
| 21:43.47 | levi-laptop | You could modulate the files into lossless audio and demodulate them through the audio-in port of your PC. |
| 21:44.22 | HarleyPig | I love how people call us thinking we're ebay customer support. |
| 21:44.49 | levi-laptop | It would probably be cheaper to get a cheap IDE drive and a usb case for it. |
| 21:45.19 | emcnabb | Interesting quote: "Freedom of the press is limited to those who own one" -- journalist A.J. Liebling. |
| 21:45.29 | vontrapp | imms likes to play this mp3, about 15 seconds long and just some random talking, (never listened to what it says) |
| 21:45.37 | levi-laptop | You could probably find someone giving away a 10 or 20 gig drive. |
| 21:45.41 | vontrapp | i modded it down by lots and it STILL plays it |
| 21:45.56 | hans | vontrapp: well don't listen to the whole thing then |
| 21:46.26 | vontrapp | i skip it when i notice it in time, but being so short i miss it sometimes |
| 21:47.08 | HarleyPig | Why not just delete it? |
| 21:48.23 | hans | anyone use clamwin ? |
| 21:48.31 | hans | or have it installed anyhow? |
| 21:49.06 | hans | I told someone to use it, and they did and found some viruses, but apparently the darn thing doesn't automatically _clean_ the viruses it finds. I don't know how to instruct him to clean them. |
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| 21:49.11 | ggundy | clamwin we use it here at the office |
| 21:49.25 | ggundy | right |
| 21:49.47 | lars-ut | tyce: take one of the IT guys out to a nice lunch and give him the firewire card to install. That way you're not breaking company policy. |
| 21:51.05 | hans | ggundy: you're confirming it doesn't auto-clean? |
| 22:02.45 | ggundy | hans: yeah - I just end up having to go to web and reading up on it. |
| 22:06.04 | lars-ut | hans: Is your ClamWin user personal or work? |
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| 22:06.17 | tyce | thanks lars... I'll have to try that ;) |
| 22:06.28 | lars-ut | People do it for me all the time. |
| 22:06.28 | HarleyPig | See y'all tomorrow. |
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| 22:07.32 | lars-ut | tyce: I've found that I'll take a $10 homemade lunch in lieu of a $40 an hour consulting job. Weird. Food motivated me. |
| 22:14.39 | bucky | hans, who was asking about gnome on hurd earlier? |
| 22:15.28 | lars-ut | hans: Your clamwin user may be able to just delete the quarantined files to remove the virii: http://www.webster.edu/helpdesk/studentdocs/clamwin_scan.html |
| 22:44.35 | hans | lars-ut: personal. my fasther in law |
| 22:45.14 | hans | so it does auto quarantine? |
| 22:45.26 | Jayce^ | does anybody have postfix working with authentication? |
| 22:48.04 | emcnabb | if you want a good laugh: http://www.thepiratebay.org/frame.html |
| 22:48.16 | emcnabb | go to the "Legal Threats" section |
| 22:57.16 | bucky | Debian GNU/Hurd running GNOME and Qt. Michael Banck [6]managed to get GNOME compile and run on GNU/Hurd http://lwn.net/Articles/137411/ |
| 22:58.08 | bucky | the last Tournament of Champions Jeaopardy is on tonight... Ken is down $1800 |
| 23:08.50 | goozbach | Jayce^: smtpauth? |
| 23:08.55 | goozbach | yup |
| 23:08.58 | lars-ut | Hans: on a personal win32 install you can use Grisoft AVG - it has more advanced features than Clamwin - and will cleanup for you. I've had it clean up variants tha McCaffee's stinger missed. http://free.grisoft.cz/softw/70free/setup/avg70free_322a531.exe |
| 23:09.03 | goozbach | and starttls |
| 23:09.14 | Jayce^ | goozbach, need some help, no matter what I do, I can't seem to auth |
| 23:09.23 | Jayce^ | daemons are running, but I always get auth failed |
| 23:09.28 | goozbach | ok |
| 23:09.52 | goozbach | mail me the master.cf |
| 23:10.40 | lars-ut | hans, yes clamwin does have a quarantine feature. It does not move files to a Quarantine folder by default, though. It just reports the infection. |
| 23:12.11 | lars-ut | Hans: If you right-click the clamwin systray icon and Choose Confgiure Clamwin | the General tab has an option to move infected files to a quarantine folder. |
| 23:13.39 | lars-ut | If anybody here knows where I live, I think I'm going to try and get together a board game of Settlers of Cattan or Ticket to Ride tonight. |
| 23:13.52 | lars-ut | around 9 or 9:30pm |
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