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| 02:55.26 | levi-laptop | Good evening. |
| 02:55.54 | levi-laptop | It turns out that my blog's absence was due to a flaky switch, not another server crash. |
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| 03:43.57 | mheath | bah, my legs are soooore |
| 03:45.55 | levi-laptop | What running were you doing? |
| 03:48.32 | mheath | I'm just running. Trying to get into shape |
| 03:48.50 | levi-laptop | Ah, cool. |
| 03:48.54 | mheath | Only problem is I did a heavy workout yesterday, and I haven't worked out in ages. So I was really sore today....and this running just made me sorer. |
| 03:49.00 | levi-laptop | I rode 110 miles on my bike on Saturday. :) |
| 03:49.20 | mheath | Nice. |
| 03:49.33 | mheath | More exciting than what I was doing |
| 03:49.41 | levi-laptop | It's usually best to not do a heavy workout after not doing one in a long time. :) |
| 03:49.48 | mheath | I was out on the Bountiful Police Gun Range doing target practice.. |
| 03:50.10 | mheath | levi-laptop, haha, didn't have much of a choice |
| 03:50.31 | levi-laptop | You don't like target practice? |
| 03:50.49 | mheath | I've joined the "United States Naval Sea Cadets" (It's a youth organization...mainly doing it because if I get to a certain rank in their structure then join the navy (which I plan on doing) I start off at a higher rank) |
| 03:50.56 | levi-laptop | (I'd rather ride my bike, but shooting at targets isn't bad for fun) |
| 03:50.57 | mheath | We had PT yesterday |
| 03:51.12 | mheath | levi-laptop: my point exactly. I don't mind shooting, but I think biking would be funner :) |
| 03:51.27 | levi-laptop | Is that like the ROTC of the Navy? |
| 03:51.35 | mheath | Er..no] |
| 03:51.52 | mheath | ROTC is a college-level thing so that when you go active duty you're an officer |
| 03:52.02 | mheath | This is just a navy-related and navy-partnershiped youth organization |
| 03:52.36 | levi-laptop | I've got a friend that was in the Navy. |
| 03:52.42 | mheath | The only real incentive is the one I mentioned, where if you get to a certain rank in their structure (E-3) then join the navy, you start off at a higher rank (E-3) |
| 03:53.41 | levi-laptop | Why do you want to join the Navy? |
| 03:53.53 | mheath | Mainly to pay for college. |
| 03:54.35 | mheath | I have some money for college, but I have an overseas school plan for graduate school. I want to save as much money on undergraduate school in the US as possible, so I have more to use for the costly venture of going to college overseas. |
| 03:54.43 | mheath | *planned |
| 03:54.53 | levi-laptop | Right, I remember your overseas school plans. |
| 03:55.37 | levi-laptop | Sounds great as long as you don't get killed. |
| 03:56.04 | mheath | bah |
| 03:56.16 | mheath | I'm hoping to get into computer navigation |
| 03:56.19 | levi-laptop | Or stuck in longer than anticipated. |
| 03:56.38 | mheath | Actually.....the navy and airforce don't try to keep you in |
| 03:56.48 | mheath | They have more people than necessary trying to sign up, in fact |
| 03:56.58 | mheath | It's the Army and Marines that are so short and trying to keep people in |
| 03:58.39 | levi-laptop | Well, chances are you won't die, but it is something of an occupational hazard, however unlikely. |
| 03:58.55 | mheath | bah, I'm going into something shipboard but computer related |
| 03:59.05 | mheath | which means the only way I'd die is if someone attacked one of our ships |
| 03:59.17 | tene | How often does that happen? |
| 03:59.22 | mheath | And we haven't fought a war with a country that really striked our navy at all since World War II |
| 03:59.44 | mheath | None of the countries we've fought in the past 60 years have had the capabilities to attack our Navy, really. |
| 03:59.54 | tene | how many ships have gone down? |
| 04:00.09 | levi-laptop | My friend's ship got hit by a mine. He very well could have died. |
| 04:00.39 | mheath | levi-laptop: yeah, theres been a couple minor things like that |
| 04:00.55 | mheath | No real attacks since the German's u-boats downed a lot of our ships |
| 04:01.13 | mheath | It would take more than a Mine to sink an aircraft carrier, I'll tell you that :D |
| 04:01.42 | tene | what about a really big mine? |
| 04:01.44 | levi-laptop | Well, it doesn't have to sink the ship. It just has to hit somewhere near where you are at the moment. |
| 04:01.49 | tene | the same size as an aircraft carrier? |
| 04:02.03 | tensai | remember the USS Cole? doesn't have to sink for it to hurt |
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| 05:41.03 | torriem | oops |
| 05:41.06 | torriem | :) |
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| 14:18.50 | emcnabb | http://www.storewars.org/flash/index.html |
| 14:18.55 | emcnabb | this is kind of funny |
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| 14:49.29 | hans | search your peelings |
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| 14:53.51 | jakea | hans: I searched my peelings and I feel I should ask you... did you make the web o trust thing on the UUG site? |
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| 14:57.51 | vontrapp | hans: i believe this is a support request, best deny it |
| 14:58.23 | neybar | chew-broccoli is the best co-pilot |
| 14:58.34 | vontrapp | Darth Tater |
| 14:58.43 | jakea | no, it's a.... can I give your email address to Micheal Moore so he can talk to you about how to manage it so he can take it over |
| 14:59.06 | vontrapp | jakea: you have my goahead |
| 14:59.19 | jakea | uh.... |
| 14:59.25 | jakea | vantrapp != hans |
| 14:59.32 | jakea | -a +o |
| 15:00.05 | elg | elg == hans |
| 15:00.13 | elg | er, |
| 15:00.50 | jakea | 10-4, prefered address? |
| 15:01.09 | elg | elg@canada.eh |
| 15:01.55 | jakea | um |
| 15:01.58 | elg | or, alternatively, moos@canada.eh |
| 15:02.02 | elg | s/moos/moose/ |
| 15:02.53 | jakea | I think I'll go with this one I just found in my saved messages... |
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| 15:03.11 | elg | ~lart hans |
| 15:04.34 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 15:05.25 | hans | jakea: I did it |
| 15:11.16 | Bradipo | Is that web-o-trust as in the spam fighting technique? |
| 15:11.32 | hans | gpg |
| 15:12.00 | Bradipo | Darn it, I was hoping web-o-trust was finally making headway into the masses. :-) |
| 15:12.36 | hans | how does it work? |
| 15:12.52 | Bradipo | Basically, you list all the networks/hosts that you trust as not being spam sources. |
| 15:13.03 | hans | sounds like a whitelist |
| 15:13.04 | Bradipo | And you publish it. |
| 15:13.06 | Bradipo | It is. |
| 15:13.17 | Bradipo | http://www.web-o-trust.org/ |
| 15:13.35 | vontrapp | but then you also allow servers that your trusted servers trust... |
| 15:13.41 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 15:13.47 | Bradipo | With different degrees of trust. |
| 15:16.35 | lars-ut | ~taquito |
| 15:16.36 | ibot | ACTION loves them little taquitos, he loves them good! |
| 15:17.02 | vontrapp | like one degree of trust to allow mail originating at the server, another to allow forwarded mails? |
| 15:18.30 | vontrapp | ~literal emulate gir |
| 15:18.31 | ibot | "emulate gir" is "<reply>where's my moose?||<reply>must obey the taco man!||<reply>dooom doooom doom||<reply>i need tacos! i need tacos or i'll explode. that happens to me sometimes.||<reply>you SHALL not pass! .. he went that way.||<reply>to make room for the TUNA!||<reply>yay!||<reply>do a little dance!||<reply>my walnuts!||<reply>aww, my bees..." |
| 15:19.15 | Bradipo | For example, while the IP may not be on your web-o-trust file, if it is included in your peers file it would be trusted. |
| 15:19.26 | vontrapp | ~emulate gir ~= s/.../...||<reply>Why is his head so big? WHY is his head so BIIG?! |
| 15:19.28 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, vontrapp |
| 15:19.33 | Bradipo | But if it was no in his file directly, but included instead from his peers, you may not trust it. |
| 15:19.34 | vontrapp | ~emulate gir ~= s/.../...||<reply>Why is his head so big? WHY is his head so BIIG?!/ |
| 15:19.35 | ibot | vontrapp: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:19.48 | vontrapp | ~emulate gir ~= s/.../...||<reply>Why is his head so big\? WHY is his head so BIIG\?\!/ |
| 15:19.49 | ibot | vontrapp: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:19.54 | vontrapp | fine |
| 15:20.32 | vontrapp | so just a flat trusting different depths |
| 15:20.42 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 15:20.57 | Bradipo | That's how I understand it. |
| 15:21.29 | Bradipo | Basically, this would allow people to use more RBLs without fear of the wrong hosts being blocked. |
| 15:21.35 | Bradipo | Assuming those hosts participate. |
| 15:22.05 | vontrapp | except it's more like a RWL |
| 15:23.07 | Bradipo | You mean reverse whitelist? |
| 15:23.15 | Bradipo | It can be used that way, for certain. |
| 15:23.23 | vontrapp | i thought RBL was Realtime Black List |
| 15:23.27 | Bradipo | It is. |
| 15:23.45 | vontrapp | so Realtime White List |
| 15:23.53 | hans | good idea, but making a white list is about as much fun as rating songs in your playlist |
| 15:23.54 | Bradipo | Oh yeah. |
| 15:24.11 | Bradipo | hans: Except you really only have to do it once. |
| 15:24.44 | Bradipo | With a few modifications occasionally. |
| 15:24.45 | Jayce^ | hans, no, bradipo does it, then we just say we trust him :) |
| 15:24.46 | vontrapp | so have a threshhold, and if you get so many negatives from spamassassin remove it from your trust list |
| 15:25.10 | Bradipo | Jayce^: If you give me all of the IPs that I should trust, I'll compile them. :-) |
| 15:25.20 | hans | Bradipo: no, I don't think so. mail servers change, people change email domains, etc. |
| 15:25.37 | vontrapp | so not ips, but rather public keys |
| 15:25.49 | Bradipo | Unfortunately, it doesn't use public keys. |
| 15:25.51 | hans | people lose keys |
| 15:25.57 | Bradipo | A mail system based on public keys wouldn't need RBLs. |
| 15:26.18 | Bradipo | hans: That is why DomainKeys seems to be a good idea. |
| 15:26.25 | Bradipo | The people don't have the keys, the administrators do. |
| 15:26.30 | Bradipo | They are less likely to lose them. |
| 15:26.40 | hans | administrators lose keys |
| 15:26.45 | vontrapp | i was thinking like a mail SERVER has the keys |
| 15:26.50 | Bradipo | But I have yet to see a practical use for DomainKeys. |
| 15:26.56 | hans | but if it's integrated with dns, at least the redistribution would be automatic. |
| 15:27.04 | Bradipo | hans: DomainKeys is done via DNS. |
| 15:27.12 | hans | right |
| 15:27.46 | Bradipo | To be honest, I think the only real way to solve the problem is to replace SMTP. |
| 15:28.03 | hans | and we will, when/if it gets bad enough |
| 15:28.12 | Bradipo | Just building on top introduces problems and causes unnecessary loss of email. |
| 15:29.47 | vontrapp | need something entirely now, built to be secure, but alsa a transport to revert to smtp for the slow migrators |
| 15:30.03 | vontrapp | s/now/new/ |
| 15:33.23 | Bradipo | If enough people used web-o-trust I would start using spamcop's RBL again. :-) |
| 15:33.31 | vontrapp | anything that requires breakage in any interim and/or that requires universal migration will just never happen |
| 15:35.55 | tensai | Bradipo: do you have a web-o-trust.txt? |
| 15:36.14 | Bradipo | Not yet. |
| 15:37.08 | Bradipo | Its one of those things that I've wanted to setup, but I was too busy rating songs in my playlist. :-) |
| 15:38.18 | Bradipo | Maybe I'll set on up today. |
| 15:39.26 | hans | have fun. I won't even rate songs, so I doubt I'll ever rate mail servers. |
| 15:44.02 | Bradipo | I think the point is to keep the list small. |
| 15:44.10 | Bradipo | i.e. servers you maintain. |
| 15:44.20 | Bradipo | And then include the trusted peers. |
| 15:44.46 | hans | ah, that I might could do |
| 15:44.59 | Bradipo | I would only list my servers, the servers here at work and a few others. |
| 15:45.08 | Bradipo | But I'm not definitely going to ask everyone for their IPs. :-) |
| 15:45.11 | tensai | there. my web-o-trust is done. 7 servers. |
| 15:45.30 | Bradipo | Now, I can just include tensai's with a trust level. |
| 15:45.45 | tensai | zmonkey.org/web-o-trust.txt |
| 15:45.51 | hans | the trusted list needs to be small too |
| 15:46.02 | Bradipo | Right. |
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| 15:59.26 | Bradipo | tensai: Now we just need to get ours listed in the main list... |
| 16:00.16 | Bradipo | Mine is at http://spammaps.org/web-o-trust.txt |
| 16:05.01 | lars-ut | ~weather kpvu |
| 16:12.18 | Bradipo | Got a good shell question here... |
| 16:12.36 | Bradipo | I can scroll through my history in bash using the arrow keys |
| 16:12.50 | Bradipo | Is it possible to scroll only a subset of the history? |
| 16:13.04 | Bradipo | For example, I want to see only commands beginning with r |
| 16:13.32 | vontrapp | in inputrc, "set editing-mode vi" |
| 16:13.57 | Bradipo | I did set -o vi |
| 16:14.09 | Bradipo | But that seems to behave them same. |
| 16:14.13 | vontrapp | then <ESC>/^r |
| 16:14.20 | Bradipo | Ahh. |
| 16:14.32 | vontrapp | n and ? just like in vi |
| 16:14.43 | vontrapp | except n goes backwards and ? forward |
| 16:14.55 | vontrapp | well, maybe ? doesn't work |
| 16:15.24 | Bradipo | shift-n does though. :-) |
| 16:15.29 | Bradipo | Which is what I normally use. |
| 16:15.53 | Bradipo | Maybe I need to switch my shells to vi mode permanently. |
| 16:16.00 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 16:16.23 | vontrapp | heh, i was confused, ? never works like that :-/ |
| 16:16.37 | vontrapp | Bradipo: i do :) |
| 16:16.44 | levi-laptop | Why go into vi mode? Just hit ^R. |
| 16:16.48 | Bradipo | It would be tough at first... |
| 16:17.20 | Bradipo | levi-laptop: Aha, I've seen this search before but couldn't ever remember how to bring it up. |
| 16:17.36 | vontrapp | Bradipo: you'll be surprised how fast you get used to it |
| 16:17.41 | levi-laptop | It's the same as reverse search in emacs. |
| 16:18.15 | Bradipo | levi-laptop: Except the only exposure I have to emacs is the bash command line. :-) |
| 16:18.23 | vontrapp | i hardly use the arrow keys anymore, just <ESC>k/j |
| 16:18.26 | levi-laptop | Modal editing just feels wrong in the commandline. |
| 16:18.41 | levi-laptop | I use ^P and ^N. :P |
| 16:18.42 | Bradipo | levi-laptop: Right, which is probably why I have preferred emacs style. |
| 16:19.15 | levi-laptop | ^F and ^B are like the right and left arrows. |
| 16:19.34 | Bradipo | Yeah, I know all about those. |
| 16:19.40 | vontrapp | vi mode absolutely saves my life in the mysql cli |
| 16:19.52 | Bradipo | I'm familiar with those, and in fact cursed Gaim and Firefox for disabling emacs style editing. |
| 16:20.16 | Bradipo | I use ctrl-a, ctrl-e, ctrl-k, ctrl-u, ctrl-f and ctrl-b all the time. |
| 16:20.37 | Bradipo | Gaim still has problems, but I found a way to return Firefox to normal. |
| 16:21.02 | Bradipo | Can this ctrl-r search do multiple letters? |
| 16:21.05 | levi-laptop | Cocoa apps in OS X have emacs keybindings in text fields. I was happy to discover that. :) |
| 16:21.12 | Bradipo | Oh, I see. |
| 16:21.17 | levi-laptop | Bradipo: Yeah, it's an incremental search. |
| 16:21.20 | Bradipo | It only allows you to search if they actually exist. |
| 16:21.21 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 16:21.54 | Bradipo | levi-laptop: Ok, now, say I have multiple rm matches, how do I scroll through them with ctrl-r? |
| 16:22.19 | levi-laptop | Hit ^R again. |
| 16:22.30 | Bradipo | Haha, why didn't I think of that. :-) |
| 16:22.37 | tene | *sigh* |
| 16:22.44 | Bradipo | Cool, thanks. |
| 16:22.56 | levi-laptop | Oh, also, ^K puts what you killed on the kill-ring, and you can yank it back with ^Y |
| 16:23.03 | tene | $1400 to fix a car that wasn't worth that when it was originally obtained. |
| 16:23.19 | levi-laptop | tene: What's wrong with it? |
| 16:23.20 | Bradipo | tene: You could buy a car like mine for probably < $1000 |
| 16:23.22 | vontrapp | what! no man page for complete! that's lame |
| 16:23.36 | hans | there's nothing wrong with vi mode |
| 16:23.40 | tene | levi: cv axles and struts |
| 16:23.47 | hans | it works great, and you don't have to remember emacs and vi |
| 16:24.04 | levi-laptop | hans: As long as you remember what mode you're in. |
| 16:24.16 | levi-laptop | vim tells you, bash does not. |
| 16:24.16 | hans | and what if you don't? |
| 16:24.30 | levi-laptop | Then you type stuff and end up doing random things. |
| 16:24.39 | hans | vi doesn't tell you, and that didn't stop its popularity |
| 16:24.42 | levi-laptop | I don't like my command line to be modal. |
| 16:24.44 | tene | Bradipo: that's what I'm probably going to do. |
| 16:25.05 | levi-laptop | hans: vi was a much better alternative to ed/ex. |
| 16:25.09 | hans | levi-laptop: sounds like a prejdice to me |
| 16:25.16 | vontrapp | my car needs another ~$400 fix :( |
| 16:25.20 | hans | based on past experience |
| 16:25.35 | levi-laptop | tene: You could do it a lot cheaper if you did your own labor. |
| 16:25.49 | levi-laptop | Old cars are only cheap if you can work on them yourself. |
| 16:26.03 | tene | Which I can't. |
| 16:26.06 | levi-laptop | Otherwise the repair and maintenance costs start to add up to a car payment... |
| 16:27.07 | levi-laptop | hans: I used vim for all my editing. I tried out vi mode for bash, but I didn't like it. |
| 16:27.39 | vontrapp | you just have to use it long enough to purge all the evil emacs habits |
| 16:27.53 | levi-laptop | hans: Now I use emacs for coding, vim for editing random files, and it's made my emacs-mode bash much more productive. |
| 16:28.06 | levi-laptop | I don't understand why anyone wants to only use vim or only use emacs. |
| 16:28.22 | hans | well, if switching to emacs did it for you, that's cool |
| 16:28.24 | vontrapp | i just don't want to use emacs |
| 16:28.54 | tene | emacs confuses and scares me. |
| 16:28.59 | Bradipo | hans: You're right, vi doesn't tell you. |
| 16:29.04 | Bradipo | And I normally don't use vim. |
| 16:29.18 | Bradipo | Its just habit that has set into my fingers on the bash shell. |
| 16:29.20 | vontrapp | just push escape and you know what mode your in |
| 16:29.39 | levi-laptop | emacs is hands down 100% or more better than vim for coding in Lisp. And so I dusted off my emacs skills, and I'm starting to like it. |
| 16:29.57 | tene | levi: in what way is it better? |
| 16:30.11 | tene | s/way/ways/ |
| 16:30.30 | Bradipo | vontrapp: What is wrong with your car now? |
| 16:31.16 | levi-laptop | vim is an editor. A very good one. Emacs is an editor and a lisp environment, and so it meshes very well with Lisp programming. The Lisp and Emacs can talk to each other through s-expressions to make a far more integrated experience than you'd get with vim without a whole lot of development on it. |
| 16:31.34 | Bradipo | levi-laptop: Depends on the car. I bought my Festiva for $900 over 5 years ago and have only had to replace the brakes and the starter. |
| 16:31.57 | Bradipo | Living without a car payment is nice. :-) |
| 16:32.11 | Bradipo | But, I also wouldn't drive this on a long distance trip. |
| 16:32.18 | vontrapp | Bradipo: the adventures on rocky roads have come back to bite me |
| 16:32.23 | Bradipo | lol |
| 16:32.24 | levi-laptop | Bradipo: Well, this is true, but you can't always tell which ones are going to break and which ones aren't when you're shopping. |
| 16:32.39 | Bradipo | You're right, this is the difficult part. |
| 16:32.41 | vontrapp | and the brake levers for the parking brake are frozen |
| 16:32.53 | levi-laptop | But when you only paid $900, donating it and getting another isn't too painful. |
| 16:33.31 | vontrapp | it's been a year since my last $400 payment, so i'm doing pretty good |
| 16:33.50 | vontrapp | if it weren't for inspections and registration... |
| 16:34.14 | levi-laptop | vim is great for programming in static languages like C, but programming in Lisp is a very different experience. |
| 16:35.59 | vontrapp | so that comes out all in all to about a $800 down payment, with $50 a month |
| 16:36.29 | vontrapp | that's a high end estimate |
| 16:36.58 | vontrapp | but it's probably pretty close |
| 16:37.08 | Bradipo | levi-laptop: Exactly. If it had blown up after a year, I could just scrap it and find another cheap one. |
| 16:37.49 | vontrapp | now if it blows up after a couple months, that's when it hurts |
| 16:38.02 | levi-laptop | Unfortunately for me, I enjoy nice/fun cars too much. |
| 16:38.34 | levi-laptop | It's rare to find a car that's $900, somewhat reliable, and also nice and fun. |
| 16:38.47 | tene | So, does anyone here leave their keys in their car at night? |
| 16:39.31 | Bradipo | tene: If I did, I wouldn't say so in IRC. :-) |
| 16:39.34 | levi-laptop | No, but I leave my Miata unlocked. |
| 16:39.50 | Bradipo | levi-laptop: When I have money, then I'll splurge and get a fun car. |
| 16:39.52 | levi-laptop | I'd rather have someone rummage through the contents of the car than slash the top. |
| 16:40.35 | hans | why would you leave the keys in? |
| 16:41.00 | tene | I've actually known a few people that do that. |
| 16:41.27 | hans | were they girls that wore clothes without pockets? |
| 16:41.29 | Bradipo | I've known people to do that too. |
| 16:41.29 | tene | Convenience, mainly. |
| 16:41.37 | tene | Nope. |
| 16:41.51 | hans | if I left my keys anywhere, including in the car, they'd get lost for sure. |
| 16:42.00 | hans | those people must not have personal black holes like I do |
| 16:42.05 | levi-laptop | I've left my keys in the Miata on accident before. |
| 16:42.11 | Bradipo | hans: Just put an RFID on them |
| 16:42.15 | Jayce^ | hans, you'd still be better than sjansen with his keys |
| 16:42.24 | levi-laptop | They've, thankfully, always been there when I return. |
| 16:43.15 | lars-ut | I often find lost items in my bag/backpack, or pocket. |
| 16:44.21 | lars-ut | Then there are the other times I lose my mind when I recall exactly where I've placed somthing, only to find out later that my sweetie decided to move it. |
| 16:44.21 | vontrapp | i wish that were where my black holes went |
| 16:44.43 | hans | and they wonder why we always ask them where our stuff is |
| 16:45.28 | vontrapp | even if i just knew where my black holes led to |
| 16:45.50 | lars-ut | vontrapp: sounds like a good Dr Who episode: Black Hole in My Pocket |
| 16:46.10 | levi-laptop | I thought the latest theory had black holes not leading anywhere at all. |
| 16:47.29 | Bradipo | lars-ut: Is Dr Who available on public broadcast? |
| 16:47.56 | lars-ut | yes |
| 16:47.57 | lars-ut | in UK |
| 16:48.04 | lars-ut | :) |
| 16:48.08 | Bradipo | Not on PBS yet I guess? |
| 16:48.21 | tensai | not that I've seen, and I watch a lot of PBS |
| 16:48.23 | lars-ut | not yet |
| 16:48.25 | lars-ut | http://bitmetv.org |
| 16:48.44 | lars-ut | need to register - it's got an RSS feed |
| 16:50.49 | vontrapp | how would one escape each line of a file as input? |
| 16:51.09 | vontrapp | e.g. a file contains "foo bar" on one line, and "foo baz" on the other |
| 16:51.30 | Bradipo | And you want to do what with it? |
| 16:51.30 | vontrapp | i want to echo the file in such a way that i get foo\ bar foo\ baz |
| 16:51.47 | Bradipo | So you want to escape spaces? |
| 16:51.52 | vontrapp | yes, per line |
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| 16:52.41 | lars-ut | I/ve been lokking on www.openoffice.org, but don't see an ETA on release? |
| 16:52.41 | Bradipo | So, you want to get rid of the new line, and escape spaces? |
| 16:52.52 | vontrapp | the new line can stay |
| 16:53.00 | vontrapp | but doesn't have to |
| 16:53.19 | Bradipo | And this you want done interactively or non-interactively? |
| 16:53.24 | Bradipo | This is pretty easy with sed... |
| 16:53.32 | vontrapp | non interactively |
| 16:54.11 | Bradipo | sed -e 's/ /\\ /g' |
| 16:54.13 | Bradipo | Maybe? |
| 16:54.55 | tene | What's the context you're doing this in, vontrapp? |
| 16:55.23 | vontrapp | it's to get arguments |
| 16:59.28 | hans | where? |
| 16:59.36 | hans | most languages have libraries for that |
| 16:59.53 | vontrapp | bash |
| 17:00.30 | hans | help getopts |
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| 17:02.24 | vontrapp | i'm trying to turn the list in a file into arguments to a command |
| 17:03.09 | vontrapp | the lines contain whitespace, which is where my problems arise |
| 17:03.32 | Bradipo | If only bash had the [list] construct from tcl. :-) |
| 17:09.25 | hans | each line is an arg? |
| 17:09.32 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 17:09.34 | vontrapp | yep |
| 17:09.35 | Bradipo | I believe so. |
| 17:09.54 | hans | what about sed s/^(.*)$/"\1"/ |
| 17:10.04 | hans | assuming there's no " that need to be escaped |
| 17:10.24 | hans | you might need to \ various parts of that |
| 17:10.34 | Bradipo | Yeah, the () |
| 17:10.34 | hans | and/or put the whole expression in single quotes |
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| 17:38.07 | scott_ | anyone know how to have a div fitted to the bottom of a page unless there's enough text require scrolling? |
| 17:38.23 | scott_ | s/bottom of a page/bottom of the window |
| 17:39.35 | dataw0lf|w | optikal.org <- like that? |
| 17:45.06 | vontrapp | ok, don't know if this is possible, but is there a way to select a range in vim and have the buffer pretend that only that range exists? |
| 17:45.21 | vontrapp | thus restricting movement and searching to within the range |
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| 17:46.33 | vontrapp | welcome pate |
| 17:48.44 | tensai | mmm, duck liver... |
| 17:48.59 | vontrapp | is it anything like chicken liver? |
| 17:50.06 | pate | something like that ;) |
| 17:50.51 | Jayce^ | yuck, foix gras |
| 17:52.30 | scott_ | dataw0lf|w: almost, except it shouldn't scroll if there's nothing down there |
| 17:53.11 | scott_ | dataw0lf|w: and I only want it to be at the bottom of the window if the page is not very long. if it's long then you'd have to scroll to the bottom to see the div |
| 17:53.15 | dataw0lf|w | http://slashdot.org/articles/05/05/24/179227.shtml?tid=109&tid=133 |
| 17:53.25 | dataw0lf|w | scott_: hm, ask optikal in #uphpu, or wps. |
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| 19:19.05 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 19:47.58 | mrpull | http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=televisionNews&storyID=8587756 |
| 19:48.12 | mrpull | best quote of the day: "Research has shown that our viewers are clamoring for more shows hosted by software engineers from Utah and, fortunately, Ken was available and had a screen test handy," said Lauren Corrao, senior vp original programing and head of development at Comedy Central. |
| 19:52.45 | bucky | Ken had his hands full on Jeapordy last night |
| 19:53.03 | mrpull | is the tourney of champs on now? |
| 19:53.09 | bucky | yeap |
| 19:53.18 | mrpull | i used to watch jeopardy 3 or 4 times a week |
| 19:53.18 | bucky | two more nights |
| 19:53.42 | mrpull | i'll have to fire up the TiVo |
| 19:53.47 | bucky | ken came in about $800 behind and the total will be carried over to tonight |
| 19:54.10 | mrpull | what is the prize? |
| 19:54.18 | bucky | $2 M |
| 19:54.25 | mrpull | dang! |
| 19:54.57 | bucky | Ken could walk away with about $4.5 M total if he wins this too |
| 19:55.32 | mrpull | i wonder what he'll get from Comedy Central |
| 19:55.41 | mrpull | i liked "Win Ben Stein's Money" |
| 19:55.45 | mrpull | that was a great show |
| 20:08.16 | dataw0lf|w | Ken? |
| 20:08.30 | vontrapp | you know, barbies friend |
| 20:10.21 | dataw0lf|w | ah. |
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| 20:26.28 | bonez39 | for the past couple weeks, freenode won't connect automatically..I have to manuall connect with /server irc.freenode.net 7000 . won't work with 6668 or 6667, or 6669 |
| 20:27.05 | tene | doesn't try, or doesn't succeed? |
| 20:27.19 | tene | oh, you said that |
| 20:27.43 | tene | you can change the port used in the server settings dialog |
| 20:27.46 | tene | hit ctrl+s |
| 20:27.50 | tene | and find freenode in the list |
| 20:27.52 | tene | and click "Edit" |
| 20:28.40 | Bradipo | bonez39: Someone blocking that port? |
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| 20:49.04 | bucky | dataw0lf, Ken Jennings.. of Jeapordy fame |
| 20:51.01 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, I followed the link. |
| 20:51.06 | dataw0lf|w | Never heard of him before this. |
| 20:53.12 | bucky | i bet he's a good VB programmer |
| 20:55.12 | dataw0lf|w | I don't see how he could be a good programmer at anything with his head so full of mostly irrelevant and useless information. |
| 20:55.51 | HarleyPig | Like Monty Python skits? |
| 20:56.08 | dataw0lf|w | those have purpose. |
| 20:57.20 | hans | you have to feel sorry for a guy that thinks vi is maybe not better than edlin |
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| 21:05.02 | HarleyPig | vi sucks ... vim is *THE* one true editor. |
| 21:05.23 | bigdog_ut | ~dropkick HarleyPig |
| 21:05.25 | ibot | ACTION sends HarleyPig flying like a yipping chihuahua |
| 21:05.28 | hans | agreed, but edlin is as much a good editor as bat is a good scripting language. |
| 21:06.55 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 21:07.17 | HarleyPig | I don't think using a chihuahua as a metaphor for me is quite ... correct. |
| 21:07.40 | bigdog_ut | lol...but it goes along with "me" quite well |
| 21:09.08 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 21:16.26 | dataw0lf|w | heh, Ken bashed vi ? |
| 21:20.24 | HarleyPig | Imagine this: Bob Dylan sings "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" with MoTab. |
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| 21:22.12 | mrpull | would axel join in? |
| 21:23.15 | HarleyPig | I hope Jimi does. |
| 21:23.48 | HarleyPig | And I would've like to hear the King's interpretation. |
| 21:27.25 | mrpull | MSN vitual earth looks super cool |
| 21:30.24 | bucky | Dylan.. you mean that old washed up anti-war communist ? |
| 21:31.43 | HarleyPig | bucky: yep! :D That's why I said 'imagine' |
| 21:31.50 | bucky | hehe |
| 21:32.05 | vontrapp | haha |
| 21:35.23 | HarleyPig | I think I'm going to outer darkness. I just had a mental image of Jesus jammin' with Jimi. |
| 21:37.20 | bucky | which jesus.. the white one or the black one? |
| 21:38.49 | bucky | or the asian one? |
| 21:39.05 | bonez39 | Bradipo: I'd hope nothing blocking those ports...how do I tell if blocked or not? I am the only one with access.... |
| 21:39.07 | HarleyPig | I've picture Jesus as looking like the rabbi where I grew up. Very christian man. |
| 21:39.41 | bucky | my synagogue in Salt Lake was so small we sublet a PhotoMat |
| 21:39.53 | HarleyPig | Oy vy. |
| 21:39.58 | HarleyPig | err ... Oy vey. |
| 21:40.04 | HarleyPig | e key is stuck. |
| 21:40.12 | bucky | our Rabbi was Rabbi Christianson |
| 21:40.30 | HarleyPig | Your kidding! That must have caused some ribbing! |
| 21:40.35 | bucky | LOL |
| 21:41.42 | dataw0lf|w | you really Jewish, bucky? |
| 21:42.03 | bucky | no.. those are some old Rose Ann Barr jokes |
| 21:42.16 | dataw0lf|w | I see. |
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| 21:42.50 | bucky | i'm a half breed mormon... my mom's the pioneer and my dad was a preacher's kid from methodist ministers |
| 21:43.42 | bucky | so i'm german/irish from dad and english/dane from mom |
| 21:44.13 | HarleyPig | At least you're not English/Irish from Protestant lines raised Catholic. |
| 21:45.01 | dataw0lf|w | I was just under the impression that poking fun at religion was frowned upon in here. I see it only applies the certain faiths. |
| 21:45.38 | bucky | actually the mormons and the catholics are going to hold the Guilt Olympics here next year |
| 21:45.41 | HarleyPig | Huh? Poke fun at stereotypes. |
| 21:45.50 | HarleyPig | Not the beliefs. |
| 21:45.59 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig++ |
| 21:46.05 | Jayce^ | literally |
| 21:46.06 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:46.12 | bucky | i might enter if they have an event in jumping to the wrong conclusion |
| 21:46.40 | HarleyPig | dataw0lf|w: Mention green jello and see what happens! |
| 21:46.47 | bucky | hahaha |
| 21:46.48 | dataw0lf|w | I'm done talking. |
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| 21:48.01 | Jayce^ | w00t |
| 21:48.25 | HarleyPig | Din't mean to scare him off. Of course he hasn't seen me yet ... |
| 21:48.37 | bucky | poor datawolf |
| 21:48.47 | vontrapp | is that green beard picture still online somewhere? |
| 21:49.20 | bucky | I think his folks converted to the church while he was away to college or something.. having a hard time with it |
| 21:49.52 | Jayce^ | I got a pic of it open on a desktop pic |
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| 21:50.04 | dataw0lf|w | pfft, and you thought you were rid of me. |
| 21:50.09 | bucky | LOL |
| 21:50.12 | dataw0lf|w | I was just trying that on for size. |
| 21:50.21 | dataw0lf|w | you know, religious inferiority complex. |
| 21:50.30 | dataw0lf|w | Jayce^: no w00ting yet. |
| 21:50.40 | Jayce^ | :-p |
| 21:50.50 | Jayce^ | http://www.lug-nut.com/gallery/jayce/Computers/screen5.png <-- I don't have the original, but that's him |
| 21:52.54 | JoshH | stallmanesque... nice |
| 21:53.23 | Jayce^ | JoshH, that's HarleyPig |
| 21:53.30 | JoshH | ya, i know |
| 21:53.53 | HarleyPig | Original should still be a media.harleypig.com |
| 21:54.19 | Jayce^ | http://www.lug-nut.com/gallery/jayce/Plug/Cooking/DSC05062.JPG <-- him in the "Brigham" phase |
| 21:54.53 | HarleyPig | LARGE: http://media.harleypig.com/green_beard.jpg |
| 21:54.55 | vontrapp | mmm,that was a tasty meeting |
| 21:55.06 | Jayce^ | and best, here's one for all the mormon Engrish fans.. |
| 21:55.13 | Jayce^ | http://www.lug-nut.com/gallery/kelly/japan/21/DSCN0309.JPG |
| 21:55.20 | Jayce^ | my wife took it last week in Japan |
| 21:55.41 | JoshH | lol |
| 21:56.28 | JoshH | so now the question is, did you and your wife venture into that store. :P |
| 21:56.37 | Jayce^ | heh, I wasn't there |
| 21:56.46 | JoshH | heh |
| 21:56.55 | JoshH | well, i will just assume she didnt go in by herself then |
| 21:57.46 | hans | that's great |
| 22:01.08 | JoshH | http://www.lug-nut.com/gallery/jayce/Plug/Cooking/.cache/640x480-DSC05066.JPG |
| 22:01.11 | bucky | RMS has cloned himself https://e.ututo.org.ar/xp/modules/myalbum/photo.php?lid=85&cid=4 |
| 22:01.14 | JoshH | how many of you guys are in that pic? |
| 22:01.18 | bucky | it resolves slow |
| 22:01.41 | vontrapp | i'm there |
| 22:01.45 | vontrapp | light blue shirt |
| 22:02.08 | vontrapp | t-shirt, i should specify |
| 22:02.20 | HarleyPig | resolves or loads? |
| 22:02.51 | JoshH | is that sjansen in the grey shirt? |
| 22:03.04 | bucky | it's an unsigned cert and it's in ar |
| 22:03.09 | bucky | it's slow |
| 22:03.30 | vontrapp | sjansen is in the purplish dotty shirt sitting down |
| 22:03.44 | bucky | it's from the new only gnu compliant linux distro |
| 22:03.52 | JoshH | ah ok |
| 22:04.11 | JoshH | vontrapp: heh, youre the only non-geeky looking one there. |
| 22:04.20 | JoshH | well |
| 22:04.25 | JoshH | least geeky looking i should say |
| 22:04.26 | JoshH | :P |
| 22:04.39 | vontrapp | hmmm, i guess i'll take that as a compliment |
| 22:04.50 | Jayce^ | I took the pic, so I'm not in it |
| 22:04.52 | bucky | who's the geek girl? |
| 22:05.15 | JoshH | it cant be maquis, she doesnt look like a sharmad |
| 22:05.26 | vontrapp | evans girlfriend (don't know the current status) |
| 22:05.37 | Jayce^ | fiance |
| 22:05.54 | vontrapp | then the girl on the right edge is hans' wife |
| 22:06.46 | hans | and the hans would be next to the hans' wife |
| 22:07.01 | Jayce^ | spr and amcnabb in the middle |
| 22:07.09 | JoshH | youre wife goes to lug meetings with you? lucky. |
| 22:07.16 | hans | only food ones |
| 22:07.24 | vontrapp | and lukfugl the other seated one |
| 22:07.34 | JoshH | i took my GF to a sllug meeting once, and she still hasnt forgiven me |
| 22:07.41 | Jayce^ | so we got the two main 'brotherhoods' in the pic |
| 22:08.04 | Jayce^ | my wife has only been to two lug meetings iirc (not including bbq's) |
| 22:08.04 | JoshH | that chicken looks pretty tasty |
| 22:08.15 | Jayce^ | shoulda tried the steak before that |
| 22:08.25 | Jayce^ | mmm, pepper |
| 22:08.46 | vontrapp | you got one did you? |
| 22:08.51 | hans | finally |
| 22:09.12 | Jayce^ | you get him into #utah yet? |
| 22:10.13 | goozbach | blarg! |
| 22:10.16 | bucky | ~seen sjansen |
| 22:10.18 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 6d 3h 10m 20s ago, saying: 's/their/they're/'. |
| 22:10.23 | Jayce^ | ~paint goozbach |
| 22:10.24 | ibot | ACTION rains a tape stream of paintballs on goozbach |
| 22:11.11 | bucky | sjansen is the only person i know who uses the word 'modicum' in a sentence |
| 22:12.00 | JoshH | ive heard it used a few times, but not regularly by any person |
| 22:12.20 | hans | not sure if he's ready for you guys yet. ;-) |
| 22:12.39 | hans | ~dict modicum |
| 22:12.53 | JoshH | just think, if he can handle xbmodder, he can handle any challenge you throw at him. |
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| 22:13.53 | tensai | JoshH: you mean there's a way to /ignore *every* problem? |
| 22:14.24 | JoshH | lol |
| 22:14.25 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.29 | hans | oops |
| 22:20.23 | levi-laptop | I've used modicum before, I believe. |
| 22:23.33 | HarleyPig | That's not my understanding of modicum. |
| 22:27.33 | bucky | hans, yep that's it.. RMS cloned himself and came up with a gnu compliant linux distro |
| 22:29.40 | hans | hmm, I need a good rfc or two for this list |
| 22:31.55 | bucky | hans here's all of them https://e.ututo.org.ar/xp/modules/myalbum/viewcat.php?cid=4 |
| 22:31.56 | HarleyPig | bbl |
| 22:32.17 | bucky | get on your bad motor scooter and ride! |
| 22:33.47 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig on a scooter would be like a linebacker riding a chihuahua |
| 22:45.56 | bucky | bring him on.. the Red Rocker |
| 22:45.58 | bucky | http://www.paesanoofmulberrystreet.com/gallery/118091/haggar.jpg |
| 23:08.25 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 23:08.35 | bucky | whoa.. Dr Phil tore Shurtlef a new butt |
| 23:25.26 | vontrapp | hans: no way, that's awesome |
| 23:48.43 | *** part/#utah bigdog_ut (~bigdog@166.70.34.182) |
| 23:50.09 | *** part/#utah bucky (~bucky@bucky.active.supporter.pdpc) |
