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| 01:51.34 | bonez41 | anyone here now? |
| 01:52.54 | bonez41 | what might cause linux=windows sharing to work in one direction only? I can mount a networked windows share, from linux but can't see the linux box from the windows machine....as well, I can't print to, let alone 'see' the windows machine attached printer from the linux machine.... |
| 02:10.23 | tene | bonez41: are you running samba on the linux box, bonez41? |
| 02:10.40 | tene | you need to actually run a samba server to serve up files. |
| 02:11.21 | bonez41 | tene, yes, samba on the linux box... |
| 02:11.40 | bonez41 | tene, I thought I was running samba server..but I am likely mistaken... |
| 02:12.05 | tene | server and client are different |
| 02:12.10 | bonez41 | ok..... |
| 02:34.40 | misterpull | anyone aware of usb thumbdrive boot images for SUSE? My searching has not been fruitful |
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| 02:58.19 | misterpull | dang... my grandparents live on that road. |
| 02:58.31 | misterpull | how far down the street is it making it? |
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| 03:02.41 | hans | they're using concrete barriers and plastic sheets to create a canal from the top down to about 1050e |
| 03:02.56 | hans | then they'll let more water out |
| 03:03.13 | hans | they're trying to keep ahead of things so that they have some semblance of control |
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| 03:05.23 | misterpull | wow. i'll have to check it out if it continues tomorrow |
| 03:05.42 | misterpull | whoops... i just put two stuck together CDRW's in my burner |
| 03:05.44 | misterpull | yikes! |
| 03:06.19 | hans | there's already significant road damage u phigher |
| 03:06.45 | hans | be sure to walk up to about 1100 e and check it out |
| 03:07.28 | misterpull | i went up to grove creek for the first time in 3-4 years a couple weeks back to see the water situation |
| 03:07.37 | misterpull | I couldn't believe all the new developments up there |
| 03:11.10 | hans | I just wish I'd brought my camera |
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| 14:37.19 | wps | anyone have any idea why the "alt" show up in a text-only browser for an img tag but not an anchor tag? |
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| 14:46.01 | hans | because the text-only browser does it that way? |
| 14:46.12 | levi-laptop | Yo. |
| 14:46.19 | hans | I'm not sure I follow, you want alt text for an anchor tag? |
| 14:46.37 | wps | yes |
| 14:47.08 | wps | I have an anchor tag (a link) that does not have any text inside it |
| 14:47.33 | wps | when viewed in a text-only browser however, I want some text to appear |
| 14:47.37 | wps | it can be done this way: |
| 14:47.44 | wps | <a><span>text</span></a> |
| 14:47.54 | wps | and then setting the span to display: none |
| 14:48.06 | wps | but I want a way to do it without the extra tag |
| 14:48.14 | wps | this way: |
| 14:48.19 | wps | <a alt="text"></a> |
| 14:48.25 | wps | but that doesn't work |
| 14:48.30 | jce | moin |
| 14:50.37 | levi-laptop | Grr. My server was running fine until I decided to use it to host my blog. Now it shuts itself off all the time. :/ |
| 14:50.57 | levi-laptop | Stupid flaky old hardware. |
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| 14:55.50 | tene | wps: <a href="" class=""> |
| 14:56.29 | wps | how will I hid the text with a class? |
| 14:56.29 | wps | hide |
| 14:56.41 | tene | set it to display: none |
| 14:56.51 | wps | that will then hide the entire anchor tag |
| 14:57.08 | wps | I want the anchor tag to still be visible, just not the text inside it |
| 14:57.50 | wps | advanced CSS selectors allow you to select items within, such as first child, etc… but I can't find anything for "all content" |
| 15:00.02 | vontrapp | you could use javascript and .innerHTML |
| 15:00.34 | wps | yeah, I think that I would rather use an extra tag than javascript for this though |
| 15:00.40 | wps | although that is a good suggestion |
| 15:01.13 | vontrapp | i don't like javascript either, just giving options :) |
| 15:01.47 | vontrapp | but that little bit is some javascript that will just work, don't have to worry about browser specifics there |
| 15:01.56 | wps | true |
| 15:02.10 | wps | the extra tag would be 100% cross-browser too |
| 15:02.26 | wps | I'll probably go that route |
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| 15:06.53 | hans | wps: why in the world are you trying to do this? |
| 15:07.07 | hans | you want an a tag with text that doesn't display but does display? |
| 15:07.59 | wps | yes, because, the a tag has a background image |
| 15:08.19 | wps | and there is no text within it |
| 15:08.36 | wps | but, you obviously don't see the background image if you are viewing it in a text-only browser |
| 15:09.05 | hans | what is the size of a <a name="foo"></a> ? |
| 15:09.11 | vontrapp | why not put a regular img tag inside with an alt? |
| 15:09.23 | levi-laptop | Why do you put the image as a background image for the tag instead of as an image inside the anchor? |
| 15:09.24 | vontrapp | <a><img alt="foo" src="..."/></a> |
| 15:09.44 | wps | because of hover states |
| 15:09.57 | vontrapp | hmm |
| 15:10.06 | wps | if you use an img, you have to use javascript to control the hovers (roll-overs) |
| 15:10.16 | wps | if you do it as a background image, you can do it all with CSS |
| 15:10.22 | wps | _much_ better |
| 15:10.50 | hans | just because you can do it with css doesn't make it better |
| 15:10.54 | levi-laptop | Well, use another tag then. |
| 15:11.11 | vontrapp | i don't know if the title attribute does anything different for text browsers, but maybe you could try it |
| 15:12.21 | vontrapp | hans: true, but i can see in this case, it is a pain doing all the onmouseover onmouseout etc in javascript |
| 15:12.50 | vontrapp | but probably no more a pain than trying to find a solution to the current problem |
| 15:13.05 | vontrapp | the latter you only have to do once though ;_ |
| 15:13.10 | vontrapp | er ;) |
| 15:13.43 | hans | can't css do hover stuff for other tags than a? like img? |
| 15:13.55 | wps | it can, but MSIE only supports hover on a |
| 15:14.23 | wps | ah-hah, I think I found what I need |
| 15:14.26 | vontrapp | you could have a null image inside with the alt text |
| 15:14.36 | wps | with Pseudo-elements, you can address content |
| 15:14.52 | wps | http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_pseudo_elements.asp |
| 15:14.55 | hans | so, it's better to use a css hack than an established javascript technique for cross-platform |
| 15:15.20 | wps | a's are for links |
| 15:15.23 | wps | that isn't a hack |
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| 15:15.55 | hans | no, but img is for images |
| 15:16.24 | wps | ah, gotcha, you were referring to the null img |
| 15:19.43 | wps | bummer, display:none and visibility: hidden, cannot be used for Pseudo Elements |
| 15:19.48 | wps | so, the extra span tag is my only option |
| 15:19.52 | wps | thanks everyone |
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| 15:21.40 | vontrapp | so a text only browser won't hide display: none stuff? |
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| 15:25.00 | wps | correct, vontrapp |
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| 15:44.35 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 15:44.58 | Hhhhh | question: ho do I set up a static IP in Fedora Core 3? |
| 15:46.29 | dataw0lf|w | /etc/sysconfig/networking/devices/ifcfg-<device> |
| 15:51.00 | dataw0lf|w | coulda said thanks. |
| 16:03.27 | Bradipo | Maybe he made the change and didn't realize it would drop him off the network. |
| 16:05.26 | dataw0lf|w | heh. |
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| 16:15.59 | mrpull | heh... that reminds me... i need to fix that firewall rule that cut me off :) |
| 16:16.56 | mrpull | (still learning m0n0wall... I thought I was disabling the log rule, but disabled the whole rule) |
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| 16:55.54 | RyanE | stupid perl question: I have to tell if a perl script is called, and don't know perl much at all. How can I print a line to a file in Perl? i.e. fprintf-like to my log file? |
| 17:02.40 | dataw0lf|w | use print / printf along with open() |
| 17:02.51 | RyanE | thanks. |
| 17:03.14 | dataw0lf|w | print file "Some line\n" |
| 17:03.47 | dataw0lf|w | where you open file with = open(file, "/path/to/file") |
| 17:04.08 | dataw0lf|w | and I'm sure there's four million other, better ways to do it. |
| 17:04.09 | RyanE | cool. should've known it'd be like C |
| 17:04.10 | dataw0lf|w | cause it's Perl. |
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| 18:25.39 | lars-ut | ~emulate gir |
| 18:25.41 | ibot | aww, my bees... |
| 18:26.40 | lars-ut | ~taquito |
| 18:26.41 | ibot | ACTION loves them little taquitos, he loves them good! |
| 18:31.41 | tene | ~gaz |
| 18:31.43 | tene | ~dib |
| 18:31.44 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, dib is (Dual Independent Bus) This is the bus architecture between Intel's Pentium II processor, memory, and L2 cache. One bus connects the processor to L2 cache and a second connects the processor to main memory. Having two buses instead of one increases performance over single-bus architectures. In addition the speed of the ... |
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| 19:29.41 | bucky | anyone get flooded? |
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| 20:03.13 | Newsome | TimRiker: how much space and traffic? |
| 20:03.13 | mrpull | tim... how much bandwidth would you require? DSL speeds? |
| 20:04.40 | TimRiker | yeah. dsl. email, personal web, family gallery, etc. it's not a whole lot. apt/ibot/jbot/purl are hosted there too. |
| 20:04.57 | jce | how much diskspace? |
| 20:05.04 | TimRiker | I probably need to dig up a box and ship it someplace. |
| 20:06.18 | jce | TimRiker: so you are moving back to UT? |
| 20:06.33 | TimRiker | I've got about 60G of data there now, but much of it is cron image archives, and irc logs. That could be down for a while till I get a new machine up. |
| 20:07.01 | TimRiker | jce: I just got an offer today that I'm giving serious thought to. |
| 20:07.08 | jce | ahhh. |
| 20:07.54 | TimRiker | it's right downtown in SLC. so looking at housing around there. expensive as compared to utah valley or here. (outside dallas) |
| 20:09.39 | jce | true.. are you in dallas right now? Last I saw you was back at Caldera. :) |
| 20:13.12 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, Realm systems? |
| 20:13.47 | bucky | American Towers ! |
| 20:14.27 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, what code/languages/etc do you need for your hosting? |
| 20:15.18 | bucky | you can get a 2 bdrm for $1200/mo |
| 20:15.27 | JoshH | bucky: in american towers? |
| 20:15.31 | bucky | yup |
| 20:15.39 | bucky | look in the classifieds |
| 20:15.47 | bucky | there's rentals |
| 20:15.56 | JoshH | ya, ive seen em |
| 20:16.31 | bucky | that's too rich for me.. i like that one up by hogle zoo.. can't remember the name.. it has a jacuzzi on the roof |
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| 20:19.09 | bucky | everybody always wants to come back to Utah... it's like a black hole.. it just sucks you in |
| 20:19.58 | ggundy | Anyone (jsmith) here do work with AGI on Asterisk? |
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| 20:22.44 | tyce | !showinfo 24 |
| 20:23.09 | bucky | there are some nice town houses in Holaday.. then you can have a little back yard |
| 20:23.17 | usynic | bucky: heh, my friend says that same thing almost exactly. |
| 20:23.48 | RyanE | myself, I wouldn't commit to downtown, since there are possible future jobs all the way down to Provo... |
| 20:23.52 | JoshH | for me, its a black hole that i cant get out of |
| 20:24.19 | RyanE | I'd look for somewhere a little further south, of course, for me that's Highland, which is a bit far to want to do downtown jobs. |
| 20:24.36 | bucky | if you want to live cheap.. you can live in those condos all around SLCC |
| 20:25.00 | bucky | I-215 is in your back yard |
| 20:25.15 | bucky | you can walk to the community college |
| 20:25.34 | JoshH | sugarhouse is the best place to live in SLC hands down |
| 20:25.39 | JoshH | a tad pricier but worth it |
| 20:25.50 | bucky | no doubt.. but not cheap anymore |
| 20:26.14 | bucky | and the air quality isn't very good there |
| 20:26.25 | bucky | too much traffic |
| 20:26.34 | JoshH | there are other nicer areas too, by the U of U, by foothill, federal heights, holladay, etc |
| 20:26.46 | JoshH | actually there isnt much traffic there at all, except for 21st south and 13th east |
| 20:26.56 | bucky | federal heights is hard to get out of in traffic |
| 20:26.57 | JoshH | to me it seems like traffic is worse in the suburbs |
| 20:28.12 | bucky | how secure are the jobs around here? |
| 20:29.59 | bucky | Sugar House is in a low area just before Highland and it collects all the automobile exhaust from the I-15 - I-80 interchange.. you can see the smog |
| 20:33.03 | JoshH | its only bad enough to notice maybe 5 days out of the year |
| 20:33.15 | JoshH | usually if the air is bad, its bad in the whole valley (like the inversion) |
| 20:33.59 | RyanE | except for canyon locations that are windy all the time... |
| 20:34.08 | RyanE | then it blows it out |
| 20:34.25 | JoshH | ya, but you cant get broadband in the canyons. :) |
| 20:34.28 | RyanE | and all your kids' yard toys... :) |
| 20:34.34 | RyanE | can here... :) |
| 20:35.01 | JoshH | where do you live? |
| 20:35.36 | RyanE | Highland. 1 mi. from mouth of A.F. Canyon |
| 20:35.45 | RyanE | but like I said, not likely the best place to work downtown |
| 20:35.52 | JoshH | ah, i was talking about in the canyons |
| 20:36.01 | JoshH | like one of the cabins in big cottonwood |
| 20:36.27 | bucky | there's some for sale cheap right now.... beach front property |
| 20:36.43 | JoshH | right now i live in holladay, by cottonwood mall. not too pricy, 15-20 minutes from downtown, traffic isnt bad |
| 20:36.53 | JoshH | it doesnt have the charm and non-utah feel of sugarhouse, but it is nice |
| 20:39.53 | bucky | Sugar House is evil |
| 20:40.07 | bucky | they have a coffee shop that has a live band on Sunday |
| 20:40.27 | bucky | and the Blue Boutique |
| 20:40.52 | JoshH | even bountiful has a blue boutique |
| 20:40.53 | JoshH | i think |
| 20:41.01 | neybar | doesn't Spanish Fork sell Booze on Sunday now... :-P |
| 20:41.07 | bucky | OMG |
| 20:41.17 | bucky | you mean 3.2 beer |
| 20:41.18 | bucky | ? |
| 20:44.04 | bucky | ~slashdot |
| 20:44.45 | bucky | hope they stay away from Wells Fargo |
| 20:44.52 | JoshH | and bank one/chase |
| 20:45.07 | JoshH | "CNN is reporting that about 676,000 bank accounts in at least four banks (Bank of America, Wachovia, Commerce Bancorp, and PNC Financial Services) have had personal information "illegally sold". |
| 20:45.11 | JoshH | looks like were good |
| 20:46.55 | HarleyPig | Anyone use gentoo regularly. |
| 20:47.07 | Jayce^ | ~fish HarleyPig |
| 20:47.08 | ibot | ACTION slaps HarleyPig around with a large trout |
| 20:47.52 | vontrapp | about once a month when it's not compiling something i use it |
| 20:48.02 | neybar | lol |
| 20:48.15 | JoshH | i think maquis uses it... she must be waiting for it to compile an irc client right now. |
| 20:48.32 | tene | I have before, HarleyPig. |
| 20:48.38 | vontrapp | ~seen maquis |
| 20:48.42 | ibot | maquis <~Maquis@evrtwa1-ar5-4-65-012-239.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 4d 16h 31m 10s ago, saying: '~jedi lars-ut '. |
| 20:48.58 | JoshH | jeez, nevermind. she must be doing a stage 1 install |
| 20:50.57 | bucky | there's about 1000 users in #gentoo |
| 20:51.27 | Jayce^ | welcome back :) |
| 20:53.04 | TimRiker | Jayce^: nope. I've talked to realm quite a bit. hmm. /me remembers he still has receipts they owe him for. better send them in. ;-) |
| 20:53.20 | Jayce^ | heh |
| 20:53.33 | Jayce^ | hope you take one out here |
| 20:53.49 | TimRiker | I've got offers from quite a few places in the valley. the one I'm considering at the moment is actually the church family history department. |
| 20:53.54 | HarleyPig | I want to use apache 1.3 but =net-www/apache-1* isn't working. |
| 20:55.23 | TimRiker | probably looking in holiday. sugar house is likely a tad out of budget for church salary. =( |
| 20:56.19 | vontrapp | HarleyPig: what's wrong with apache2? |
| 20:57.04 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, not doing embedded anymore then? |
| 20:57.06 | TimRiker | er holladay... though holiday would be nice. |
| 20:57.17 | Jayce^ | Christmas town... : |
| 20:57.47 | vontrapp | is that a cat's eyes in the dark? |
| 20:57.56 | TimRiker | Jayce^: this one won't be. some other offers and possibilities would be. |
| 20:58.50 | Jayce^ | doing Java with them? or pythong |
| 21:00.10 | TimRiker | Jayce^: well, they are doing a lot of java now. I'll be digging into that much more than I have in recent years. I expect to be working on the search cluster side doing a lot of C++ stuff. Linux cluster (of course) |
| 21:00.21 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 21:00.30 | Jayce^ | got some friends (an plug members) that work there |
| 21:00.34 | hans | that cluster sounds like a lot of fun |
| 21:01.21 | HarleyPig | vontrapp: I don't know it. |
| 21:01.50 | HarleyPig | And I have to get a soap server up soonest. |
| 21:02.07 | vontrapp | it's easier, IMO, especially as far as enabling modules goes |
| 21:02.24 | vontrapp | most config directives i don't think are much different |
| 21:02.38 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, there is a patch for apache::soap and MP2 |
| 21:02.40 | vontrapp | i never did you apache1 much though, so i don't really know |
| 21:02.52 | TimRiker | Jayce^: cool. they are active in plug then? how are the various users groups? are there folks from realm, novell, control4, linuxnetworx, etc there? |
| 21:03.21 | Jayce^ | a couple of them are, but not too many |
| 21:03.39 | Jayce^ | they have an AF location too, so maybe you wouldn't have to work up in SLC |
| 21:03.51 | vontrapp | um, s/you/use/ |
| 21:04.02 | vontrapp | sheesh, that's one strange mistake to make |
| 21:06.34 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 21:08.26 | HarleyPig | What is mpm in regards to apache2? |
| 21:08.41 | Jayce^ | processing modules |
| 21:08.54 | shadoi | HarleyPig: module process manager I think |
| 21:08.55 | Jayce^ | apache 1 only did prefork, now you can choose between modules |
| 21:09.05 | TimRiker | Jayce^: yeah. considering that. most of the core stuff is still in SLC. and I can't picture commuting from lehi/highland etc up to SLC for most of the week. I'll likely look in sourthern sl valley. |
| 21:09.08 | Jayce^ | threaded, worker, prefork, etc.. |
| 21:09.20 | shadoi | worker=threaded doesn't it? |
| 21:09.29 | Jayce^ | shadoi, not quite |
| 21:09.40 | shadoi | hmm |
| 21:09.45 | Jayce^ | shadoi, it is a hybrid, a few forks of thread pools |
| 21:09.46 | shadoi | guess I need to read up some more. :) |
| 21:09.56 | HarleyPig | So would I want to turn on all use flags mentioning mpm? |
| 21:10.05 | Jayce^ | so if one thread dies, it only can take out that processes worth, others remain up |
| 21:10.13 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, NOOO |
| 21:10.36 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, just use prefork on a linux box, unless for some reason you really want to use threads (rare imho) |
| 21:11.26 | Jayce^ | you only use one mpm at a time |
| 21:11.32 | HarleyPig | Oh ... I see ... different types of forking or threading. |
| 21:12.22 | HarleyPig | Do I want mpm-worker as well or just mpm-prefork? |
| 21:12.29 | Jayce^ | just prefork |
| 21:12.36 | HarleyPig | Ok. Thanks. |
| 21:12.43 | Jayce^ | especially if you are using MP2 or PHP |
| 21:13.10 | Jayce^ | mp2 works with it, but there are some things you have to watch out for because of apache |
| 21:13.23 | Jayce^ | things you *can* write to, but you shouldn't really |
| 21:18.58 | HarleyPig | What do you mean? |
| 21:19.44 | HarleyPig | Oh great. Now I found out about #gentoo-apache |
| 21:23.54 | levi-laptop | That's just wrong. |
| 21:24.58 | hans | vontrapp: looking for #gentoo-php? |
| 21:25.08 | vontrapp | these utilities are going to be the end of me |
| 21:25.11 | dataw0lf|w | if you're using Gentoo you might as well go the full distance and use lighttpd. |
| 21:25.15 | levi-laptop | More evil. |
| 21:25.44 | dataw0lf|w | correct. |
| 21:25.53 | HarleyPig | never heard of lightttpd |
| 21:26.11 | levi-laptop | Does it require recompilation to change configuration options? |
| 21:26.43 | vontrapp | there's about a gazillion functions that i wrote for utilities, now some unexpected use case has come up, and i don't even know where to begin |
| 21:26.43 | HarleyPig | heh ... can I use mod_perl with it? |
| 21:26.53 | vontrapp | it's been months since i looked at this code |
| 21:27.11 | RyanE | von: monster.com |
| 21:28.07 | vontrapp | heh |
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| 22:24.28 | ibot | ACTION replaces utilities with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
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