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| 02:13.18 | levi-treo | This is wild. The freeway is a parking lot, and my car feels like it's trying to take flight. |
| 02:14.01 | levi-treo | I hope no one here needs to traverse the point of the mountain tonight. |
| 02:21.59 | fozz | Already did that earlier (traverse the traverse) - before the storm hit. |
| 02:23.10 | goozbach | it sounds like it's raining sideways |
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| 02:53.47 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | SW:EP3 midnight showing in Payson. see herlo.org or ask Lars-UT |
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| 02:54.37 | goozbach | the light went away. |
| 02:54.57 | goozbach | se fue la luz |
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| 03:10.11 | scott | I just got an atheros a/b/g miniPCI card for my laptop and I installed it but it says Resource Conflict - PCI Network Controller in slot 01. I've tried fiddling with the irq settings for PCI INT[A-F or something] in the BIOS but that doesn't help. anyone know how irqs work and how to fix this? |
| 03:10.44 | scott | it seems like I have a bunch of devices on irq 11 and they all work just fine |
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| 03:33.02 | Tene | ~lart Maquis |
| 03:38.34 | Maquis | ~lart Tene |
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| 04:07.02 | elg | well well, it looks like i'm finally on the road to paypal redemption |
| 04:07.32 | Tene | yay! |
| 04:09.57 | hans | word to the wise, never ever ever be so inattentive of your paypal account that you don't update your credit card billing address when you move. To do so is akin to murder as far as the paypal folks are concerned and there will be no end of hoops to jump through. |
| 04:10.36 | hans | paypal is even harder a taskmaster than your worst professor. paypal is the center of your universe, you have no other homework. |
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| 04:19.50 | Maquis | hans: where is that different from my profs? |
| 04:20.34 | elg | the same, only worse. |
| 04:20.45 | elg | it's a matter of degree. |
| 04:21.58 | elg | of course I'm being facetious and relativistic. |
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| 04:58.23 | fishyfire | good ol' byu email..... |
| 04:59.18 | fishyfire | got a load of german spam |
| 05:00.18 | goozbach | here's why: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7874164/ |
| 05:03.32 | fishyfire | so if i got messages saying my email was undeliverable (not a message that i ever sent) from my byu account do i need to worry about anything? |
| 05:03.55 | goozbach | you may have a machine infected |
| 05:04.12 | goozbach | if you are getting bounce messages that is |
| 05:04.21 | fishyfire | yeah... that's what it is |
| 05:05.54 | fishyfire | would it need to be an email address that i actually check to be able to send it? |
| 05:06.21 | fishyfire | i never check my byu address.... just forward stuff through to my other email account |
| 05:08.19 | goozbach | don't have any idea |
| 05:08.39 | goozbach | that virus/worm hasn't infected any of my machines |
| 05:08.50 | goozbach | so I don't know how that thing works |
| 05:09.05 | Newsome | Man, Letterman just did the funniest Star Wars Top Ten |
| 05:09.07 | fishyfire | hmmm maybe i should check my mom's |
| 05:09.18 | Tene | what it is is the worm spoofs the from: |
| 05:09.27 | Tene | so when it can't be delivered, it gets sent back to the from |
| 05:09.39 | Tene | so just someone that has you in their address book has the worm is all it means |
| 05:09.48 | fishyfire | ok |
| 05:09.55 | fishyfire | thanks\ |
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| 07:25.06 | levi-laptop | Anyone still awake? |
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| 13:56.13 | hans | ~lart lukfugl|w |
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| 14:06.46 | bucky | ~seen sjansen |
| 14:06.52 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 20d 14h 54m 19s ago, saying: 'Any sysadmin/distro with a modicum of common sense would never put it anywher else for that very reason.'. |
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| 14:19.36 | jakea | hans: BLAH! B&B need to stick to producing, their writing sucks |
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| 14:27.57 | Uncle_Jesse | So is it worth me driving 2 hours to see EpIII on digital screen? |
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| 14:46.06 | bigdog_ut | sure why not |
| 14:51.04 | Lars-UT | The samba list got a bunch of German spam, I see that fishyfire got hit too on his school account. I also saw a spike in spam this weekend on an employee's earthlink account and our company domain. Anybody notice a pattern? |
| 14:51.08 | levi-laptop | So, last night there were 3 semis on their sides in the southbound lane at point of the mountain, and 1 in the northbound lane. |
| 14:51.13 | levi-laptop | All at the same time. |
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| 15:10.18 | bigdog_ut | just a smalll breeze |
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| 15:22.36 | Tene | Lars-UT: it's from a worm |
| 15:22.57 | Lars-UT | any more info? |
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| 15:23.45 | Lars-UT | Tene: did you read some follow up on the worm? |
| 15:24.48 | Tene | nope, just a link someone posted in here yesterday |
| 15:25.04 | Newsome | Sober.p |
| 15:25.26 | Newsome | or .o or whatever |
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| 15:28.28 | Newsome | http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sober.o@mm.html |
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| 15:44.59 | vontrapp | stinking php |
| 15:45.13 | vontrapp | i want to lcase an entire array |
| 15:45.19 | vontrapp | but array_map is so inferior it hurts |
| 15:45.27 | Tene | ... ouch |
| 15:46.11 | jsmith | Lars-UT: Are you still looking for VoIP termination that offers Utah County numbers? |
| 15:50.20 | Lars-UT | jsmith: not yet - got new info? |
| 15:50.48 | Lars-UT | Newsome: thanks for the link |
| 15:51.20 | vontrapp | oh good, at least in this case i can use strtolower directly, don't have to write a pointless callback function |
| 15:51.23 | Newsome | no prolem |
| 15:52.12 | jsmith | Lars-UT: Yes I do... I'll contact you in a private message. |
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| 15:57.47 | Lars-UT | I helped someone buy a high school graduation gift for their son - a laptop. I was thinking about putting OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta on it - any opinions? Should I put an older version on? I'm delivering the lap top in an hour and a half. |
| 15:58.24 | jsmith | Go for OO.o 2.0 beta... |
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| 16:00.03 | elg | ~lart asterisk |
| 16:00.21 | jsmith | elg: Why the anger? |
| 16:00.23 | elg | or safe_asterisk or whatever the flip it is that decided I wanted to continually try to restart asterisk when asterisk failed to start |
| 16:00.38 | elg | and basically fork-bombed my computer with mpg123 processes |
| 16:00.46 | jsmith | Oh yeah... safe_asterisk is a stupid piece of code |
| 16:03.17 | vontrapp | so that's what the problem was |
| 16:04.49 | Lars-UT | I've probably got enough time for my favorite win32 standbys on this laptop: ZoneAlarm, PDFcreator, Grisoft AVG Free, and Spybot S&D with TeaTimer. I'll now add OO.0 2.0beta as well. Any other suggestions? |
| 16:05.00 | vontrapp | elg: back to normal now? |
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| 16:07.31 | elg | vontrapp: yeah |
| 16:07.39 | Tene | firefox/thunderbird? |
| 16:07.58 | jsmith | PuTTY! |
| 16:07.58 | elg | jsmith: the thing is, I know asterisk doesn't come up on boot, and I know the manual workaround |
| 16:08.00 | vontrapp | but vpn won't come up |
| 16:08.23 | Tene | Lars-UT: firefox/thunderbird? |
| 16:08.24 | elg | the computer rebooted in the night (probably a power failure) and the slow but steady fork bomb rendered it useless about 8:30 am |
| 16:08.39 | jsmith | elg: So fix safe_asterisk, or rewrite it to be a proper initscript :-) |
| 16:09.03 | elg | maybe... |
| 16:09.09 | Tene | Lars-UT: gimp? |
| 16:09.11 | elg | or maybe I'll just report a bug and start it manually. :) |
| 16:09.37 | jsmith | elg: Good luck... bugs without patches are pretty much ignored by the Asterisk developers -- too many fires to put out :-( |
| 16:09.57 | elg | well, an init script bug falls under the domain of the debian maintainer. maybe he'll do something |
| 16:10.23 | vontrapp | i noticed a power failure at about 11:00 last night |
| 16:11.22 | jsmith | brb... |
| 16:11.26 | RyanE | Lars-UT: I'd put a copy of HijackThis! hidden somewhere, so when you have to un-spy the thing, you can without having to download it |
| 16:12.11 | Lars-UT | should I install HijackThis! AND Spybot? |
| 16:12.14 | RyanE | but *not* on the desktop, since you don't want the user running it like Spybot |
| 16:12.24 | Lars-UT | RyanE: I'm not familiar w/HijackThis! |
| 16:12.45 | Tene | it's a tool for tracking down the source of browser hijacks |
| 16:12.47 | RyanE | It's more generic, but very powerful to remove BHO's and other starting processes |
| 16:12.55 | Lars-UT | Tene: gimp is a good idea |
| 16:13.06 | RyanE | it rocks AFTER you run Spybot and AVG and Ad-Aware |
| 16:13.11 | Tene | inkscape/scribus |
| 16:13.13 | RyanE | then you run Hijack to see if they missed anything |
| 16:13.17 | Tene | I think one of those two has a win version |
| 16:13.19 | Lars-UT | RyanE: I'll do it. |
| 16:13.23 | RyanE | but it's NOT an end-user tool |
| 16:13.28 | RyanE | it's an 'expert' tool |
| 16:13.39 | Lars-UT | I feel so 'expert' |
| 16:13.46 | Tene | picasa |
| 16:13.58 | Tene | maybe sunbird |
| 16:14.16 | Lars-UT | Proabably Thunderbird for sure. |
| 16:14.34 | Lars-UT | Guess I could go sunbird, too. |
| 16:14.42 | Tene | gaim |
| 16:14.51 | RyanE | if you had more than 30 minutes, Linux. :) |
| 16:14.53 | Lars-UT | I better break the seal on this box from Dell. |
| 16:15.42 | Lars-UT | RyanE: I haven't given Linux to an inexperienced user yet. |
| 16:15.48 | Tene | netstumbler |
| 16:15.52 | Tene | >.> |
| 16:16.03 | Lars-UT | Tene: no wireless |
| 16:16.13 | Tene | :( |
| 16:16.38 | Lars-UT | He'll be okay - I'm sure BYU has lots of places to plug in, or he can buy a card. |
| 16:16.46 | Tene | then how about MagicSoftwareWiFi? |
| 16:17.27 | Tene | an apt/yum-like application for windows would be nifty. |
| 16:18.40 | RyanE | Did anyone say WinAmp? |
| 16:18.54 | Tene | newp |
| 16:18.59 | RyanE | I think all the good windows apps have been named, unless you get into games... |
| 16:19.04 | Tene | itunes |
| 16:19.17 | Tene | get defilerpack from http://hellninjacommando.org/ |
| 16:19.32 | Tene | it's a very extensive codec pack |
| 16:21.25 | RyanE | does NUPM have a website? |
| 16:23.50 | RyanE | .com, not .org... http://hellninjacommando.com/defilerpak/ |
| 16:24.15 | Lars-UT | thank you - I have a hard time finding uncontaminated codecs |
| 16:24.29 | RyanE | I haven't used it, but noticed the URL is wrong |
| 16:24.43 | RyanE | but I may have to load it on the wife's machine now... |
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| 16:27.00 | Lars-UT | will I need to install additional codecs besides the defiler URL - I didn't see any mention of Xvid. |
| 16:27.31 | RyanE | looks like defilerpack recommends you install zoomplayer |
| 16:27.34 | RyanE | which does say it supports xvid |
| 16:27.42 | RyanE | http://www.inmatrix.com/zplayer |
| 16:27.49 | RyanE | free for personal use |
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| 16:28.25 | Lars-UT | perfect - I better get movin.... |
| 16:40.16 | vontrapp | ~lart paypal |
| 17:01.10 | Tene | that was wimpy |
| 17:01.14 | Tene | ~lart paypal |
| 17:07.48 | Lars-UT | ~jedi paypal |
| 17:07.49 | ibot | ACTION chops off paypal's head with her lightsaber |
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| 17:21.45 | vontrapp | does php have a function to get the index of a value in an array? |
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| 19:01.07 | Uncle_Jesse | wow - active in here today |
| 19:05.32 | Tene | Yep. |
| 19:10.55 | hans | is php5 bomb-diggity better than php4? |
| 19:11.16 | Tene | Probably. |
| 19:11.21 | Tene | As far as I can tell. |
| 19:12.55 | hans | just curious, since there's this web dev here who keeps pining for it. |
| 19:13.18 | Tene | there's some nifty stuff in it. |
| 19:13.29 | Tene | If I was going to develop in php, I'd much prefer 5 to 4 |
| 19:15.51 | levi-laptop | Pining for the fjords? |
| 19:19.16 | Uncle_Jesse | but then again Perl is better than them all :-) |
| 19:22.35 | Jayce^ | levi-laptop, this bird wouldn't voom if you put a thousand volts through it |
| 19:26.26 | levi-laptop | http://xmission.com/~levi/Moab%20Photos/Moab%20Photos.html |
| 19:27.26 | hans | nice cactus |
| 19:27.40 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: nah - it's just nailed to the floor - otherwise it would muscle up and voom |
| 19:30.10 | levi-laptop | hans: Which one? |
| 19:30.22 | levi-laptop | The round one is my desktop picture now. |
| 19:30.28 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: that your miata? |
| 19:30.50 | levi-laptop | Yup. |
| 19:31.01 | Uncle_Jesse | nice car |
| 19:31.24 | levi-laptop | Thanks. I got it all shined up for the weekend. |
| 19:34.06 | hans | the purple flower |
| 19:36.04 | Uncle_Jesse | I have a nice 94 Ford Escort - the clutch is going dead |
| 19:36.17 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll trade you ;-) |
| 19:38.28 | Uncle_Jesse | That road reminds me of one of the default Windows backgrounds |
| 19:38.45 | Uncle_Jesse | or maybe it was one that came with CE - can't remember |
| 19:40.38 | Uncle_Jesse | Is that your jaguar? |
| 19:41.49 | Lars-UT | I'm thinkin' I should make the ISO available that I used for apps on that win32 laptop this morning. It'd be quick & dirty, but I really miss the SSS cd - a lot of apps have been updated since it's last release. Thoughts? |
| 19:46.28 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: I did a clutch replacement on my Festiva |
| 19:46.35 | vontrapp | same build as the Escort |
| 19:46.38 | vontrapp | (i think) |
| 19:47.25 | vontrapp | only ~ $140 for the clutch itself |
| 19:47.44 | vontrapp | clutch kit, rather |
| 20:05.52 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: how do you figure out if it's the clutch that's actually broken? |
| 20:06.45 | vontrapp | what's the symptom? |
| 20:07.10 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm just noticing that when I have the clutch in for longer periods of times I can't shift gears until I give it a rest |
| 20:09.35 | vontrapp | hmm, that sounds like a transmission problem |
| 20:09.54 | Uncle_Jesse | lovely |
| 20:10.27 | vontrapp | there's that magical device that keeps you from shifting to the wrong gear, forget what it's called, but it's probably that |
| 20:10.31 | Uncle_Jesse | maybe I'll be buying my truck sooner than later |
| 20:10.40 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: is it expensive? |
| 20:10.44 | vontrapp | dunno |
| 20:14.08 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: you could try putting fresh fluids in there |
| 20:14.24 | vontrapp | or maybe just topping off |
| 20:15.27 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: already tried that |
| 20:16.53 | vontrapp | i once ran my car on no transmission fluid (an accident) for many miles, thought for sure it was done for, but my transmission has been fine since |
| 20:17.00 | vontrapp | guess you don't have my luck, sorry :( |
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| 20:18.59 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: does it make grinding noises or just not go in? |
| 20:18.59 | Uncle_Jesse | oh well - it's got 120k miles on it |
| 20:19.09 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: right now it just doesn't go in |
| 20:19.21 | levi-laptop | It's definitely not my Jag, unfortunately. :) |
| 20:19.54 | vontrapp | and by letting it rest you mean holding the clutch in for some period? |
| 20:20.38 | levi-laptop | Uncle_Jesse: Sounds like a leaky slave cylinder. |
| 20:21.01 | levi-laptop | Does the clutch not disengage when you push in the pedal? |
| 20:21.39 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: sometimes, when I've been using the pedal too much |
| 20:22.19 | levi-laptop | Holding the pedal down for extended periods of time is not very kind to the mechanism. |
| 20:22.20 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: by letting it rest I mean I avoid pressing the clutch at all cost until I can get it in gear again |
| 20:22.49 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: I know - I generally avoid it, but it's forcing me to use it even less lately |
| 20:22.54 | levi-laptop | But yeah, if the clutch doesn't disengage when you push in the pedal, you need to check the hydraulic system. How's your fluid level? |
| 20:23.10 | Uncle_Jesse | I just flushed and refilled the transmission fluid |
| 20:23.39 | vontrapp | clutch fluid, or is it a cable clutch? |
| 20:23.40 | levi-laptop | If the disc itself was worn, it wouldn't engage and you wouldn't get anywhere. |
| 20:23.53 | levi-laptop | Uncle_Jesse: Transmission fluid is for auto transmissions. |
| 20:24.05 | levi-laptop | I hope you didn't put transmission fluid in your clutch reservioir... |
| 20:24.05 | vontrapp | levi-laptop: manuals use fluid to, just for lubrication |
| 20:24.25 | vontrapp | but you actually put auto-transmission fluid in, at least for my car |
| 20:24.28 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: I took it into the nearest jiffy-lube equivalent and did a "transmission flush" - whatever that is |
| 20:24.36 | hans | I just want to let everyone know I hate paypal once more. |
| 20:24.40 | levi-laptop | Erm. Hrm. |
| 20:25.04 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: hydroulic clutch or cable? |
| 20:25.08 | Uncle_Jesse | It engages when in gear - I just can't get it into gear when the clutch is over-used |
| 20:25.23 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: not sure - whatever's in the 94 Escort |
| 20:25.33 | Uncle_Jesse | How do I know? |
| 20:25.56 | levi-laptop | I assumed transmission flushes were for automatics. You can bleed the clutch hydraulic system to replace the fluid, so maybe that's what they do for manuals. Huh. |
| 20:25.57 | vontrapp | you can see a cable attached to a lever just above your transaxle if it's a cable clutch |
| 20:26.39 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: not sure - what's the transaxle? |
| 20:26.48 | levi-laptop | If it's hydraulic, you've got a translucent reservoir with a clearish liquid in it with a hard line that goes to the transmission/transaxle. |
| 20:26.49 | Uncle_Jesse | I know nothing about cars but the electrical system |
| 20:27.11 | vontrapp | silver casing under the starter motor to the right and under the engine |
| 20:27.34 | Uncle_Jesse | I've always wanted to know more though. |
| 20:28.12 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: I'll have to find out - I don't even know where any of that is, so I may be out of luck |
| 20:28.30 | Uncle_Jesse | they need to have classes for auto repair that people not in school can go to |
| 20:28.47 | vontrapp | levi-laptop: the accident i was talking about was i drained the transmission fluid and drove most of the way to heber when things started sounding akin to a spoon in a garbage disposal, *10 |
| 20:29.03 | Uncle_Jesse | ouch |
| 20:29.32 | hans | vontrapp: how would you know how that sounded? |
| 20:29.42 | levi-laptop | vontrapp: The gear oil in the transmission, you mean? |
| 20:29.44 | vontrapp | i overloaded the operator* |
| 20:29.55 | vontrapp | levi-laptop: yeah, that |
| 20:30.04 | levi-laptop | Ahh, okay. That makes more sense. :) |
| 20:30.07 | vontrapp | which is, for my car, auto transmission fluid |
| 20:30.28 | levi-laptop | It wouldn't have anything to do with the clutch, though. |
| 20:31.01 | vontrapp | no, but i thought it might have something to do with the gear mechanisms that prevent abusive shifting from working properly |
| 20:31.15 | Uncle_Jesse | are there any noobie books on car repair out there that can get me started from the ground up? |
| 20:31.30 | Uncle_Jesse | or what's the best way for me to learn? |
| 20:31.38 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: start with a repair manual from Haynes or something |
| 20:31.45 | levi-laptop | There are always the Chiltons, Haynes, etc. manuals. |
| 20:31.56 | vontrapp | then what you can't understand from there, look for howtos on the stuff you don't know |
| 20:32.07 | Jayce^ | do like my dad did for me in high school, bought me the manual for that car, and said "enjoy" |
| 20:32.08 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: I've got that but some of the things in there I don't dare try |
| 20:32.11 | Jayce^ | you want to drive, you fix it |
| 20:32.33 | Uncle_Jesse | I have a hard time figuring out how to troubleshoot |
| 20:32.44 | levi-laptop | I didn't know anything until I started tearing my Miata apart to put in a turbocharger. ;) |
| 20:32.55 | Uncle_Jesse | I think fully understanding the mechanics of a car would be useful |
| 20:33.08 | vontrapp | "The Way Things Work" had some insightful sections on auto mechanics |
| 20:33.10 | levi-laptop | I did have some online forums to get help from, but mostly I just pored over books and online material.k |
| 20:33.21 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: thanks |
| 20:33.38 | hans | our friendly php5 piner is trying to use php5 as a cgi (not mod_php) that way we don't have to upgrade the other websites that are live on php4 |
| 20:33.57 | hans | but apparently something about that approach is losing the post data he says. anything obvious? |
| 20:34.42 | vontrapp | just that maybe doing it that way you can't use the regular $_POST['foo'] to access it |
| 20:35.00 | vontrapp | probably have to use something to parse out and give you the variables |
| 20:35.56 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I'd imagine the API is different from how you would normally do in mod_php |
| 20:35.56 | vontrapp | e.g. create a cgi object and access it's variables |
| 20:36.18 | Uncle_Jesse | is there a CGI.pm equivalent for PHP? |
| 20:37.00 | vontrapp | ~hug imms |
| 20:37.01 | ibot | ACTION hugs imms |
| 20:37.10 | vontrapp | it just gets better all the time |
| 20:38.45 | vontrapp | two tables, with the same number of rows, say table one is the alphabet, table two is numbers 1-26 |
| 20:39.19 | vontrapp | how would i get it into one table with 1 a, 2 b, 3 c... 26 z in each row? |
| 20:39.41 | vontrapp | 26 rows with number and letter in each row |
| 20:40.26 | hans | know what I love? I love it when our email server has a mild glitch and all of a sudden it's "I'm not getting email from person A and/or person B since last Thursday" |
| 20:40.29 | levi-laptop | Hmm, I see part references for Festiva master and slave repair kits, which implies a hydraulic system, but also cables. Maybe there's a cable linkage between the shifter and the transmission. |
| 20:40.43 | hans | when in reality, persons A and B just didn't reply to their email as quickly as they'd have hoped. |
| 20:40.51 | hans | I love logs. |
| 20:41.13 | levi-laptop | The symptoms suggest a hydraulic system problem to me, though. I've had slave cylinders go out on two cars now. |
| 20:42.39 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: thanks - I'll pull out my Haynes tonight and see |
| 20:42.41 | levi-laptop | Uncle_Jesse: Your first troubleshooting task is to determine whether you have a cable or hydraulic clutch. If it's hydraulic, check your fluid level. Also, trace the hydraulic line to the transmission and see if the slave cylinder appears to be leaking. |
| 20:42.56 | Tene | $dbh->quote("foo bar"); is deathing. |
| 20:43.00 | Uncle_Jesse | good idea |
| 20:43.11 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene: use placeholders instead |
| 20:43.19 | Tene | hmm? |
| 20:43.30 | Uncle_Jesse | what are you trying to do with quote? |
| 20:43.50 | Tene | construct a query |
| 20:44.04 | levi-laptop | Uncle_Jesse: Also, pumping the clutch may help you out until you can get it fixed. If it does turn out to be a bad slave cylinder, you'll need to rebuild or replace it and bleed your clutch line so get all the air bubbles out. |
| 20:44.20 | levi-laptop | Which are what I suspect is causing your clutch woes. |
| 20:44.33 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll give that a try - thanks! |
| 20:44.56 | Uncle_Jesse | Tene - placeholder = ? |
| 20:45.08 | levi-laptop | Luckily, slave cylinders aren't very expensive. |
| 20:45.12 | Uncle_Jesse | SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar=? |
| 20:45.37 | Uncle_Jesse | then $sth->execute("baz") |
| 20:45.39 | levi-laptop | You'll probably want to do a visual inspection of the master cylinder, too. If it's leaking, it'll strip the paint off whatever it's leaking on to in your engine bay. |
| 20:45.46 | Uncle_Jesse | baz then goes into where ? is |
| 20:46.15 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: I'll figure out what the master cylinder is and check that too |
| 20:46.31 | Tene | sth being what, exactly? |
| 20:46.51 | hans | something t handle. |
| 20:47.00 | tensai | statement handle |
| 20:47.12 | hans | yeah, that. :) |
| 20:47.19 | Uncle_Jesse | $sth = $dbh->prepare($yourqueryhere) |
| 20:47.22 | levi-laptop | Uncle_Jesse: It's really not that complicated. Best way to learn is to dive in and do it. :) |
| 20:47.29 | Uncle_Jesse | $sth->execute("baz"); |
| 20:47.47 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: yeah - cars for some reason are intimidating to me |
| 20:48.02 | Uncle_Jesse | I did it with computers though so I know I can do it with a car |
| 20:48.29 | Uncle_Jesse | or: |
| 20:48.37 | hans | my thing with cars is, computers can only frustrate me (most of the time), but cars can hurt my knuckles and that makes me REAL mad. |
| 20:48.39 | Uncle_Jesse | $sth = $dbh->prepare("SELECT * FROM foo WHERE bar=?"); |
| 20:48.41 | levi-laptop | Uncle_Jesse: Well, they're theoretically a lot easier than computers. The hard part comes when you have to actually start physically taking them apart and putting them together again. |
| 20:48.45 | Uncle_Jesse | $sth->execute("baz"); |
| 20:49.07 | levi-laptop | It would be much easier to work on cars in a proper shop environment, I think. |
| 20:49.12 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: yeah - never been very successful at the putting back together again part on electronics :-) |
| 20:49.31 | levi-laptop | All the right tools there, no running to the hardware store for the right size socket... |
| 20:49.50 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - probably true |
| 20:50.00 | Uncle_Jesse | also you have diagnostic utils at a shop |
| 20:50.08 | levi-laptop | Uncle_Jesse: It's more fun to do car work when you're doing an enhancement than a repair. |
| 20:50.16 | Uncle_Jesse | and cool hydraulic lifts |
| 20:50.40 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm scared my car will fall on top of me if I lift it myself |
| 20:50.54 | hans | I'd be more scared I couldn't lift it myself. |
| 20:51.05 | levi-laptop | A lift can be had for the price of a really nice computer, actually. |
| 20:51.05 | hans | if you can lift it yourself, that's impressive. |
| 20:51.22 | levi-laptop | hans: The power of simple machines! |
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| 20:51.28 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: maybe I should try an enhancement some time then |
| 20:51.35 | hans | Uncle_Jesse is really a simple machine?! |
| 20:51.37 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: maybe that's my problem |
| 20:51.40 | levi-laptop | The incline, lever, pulley... etc. |
| 20:51.58 | Uncle_Jesse | I rarely understand myself |
| 20:52.48 | levi-laptop | For the price of two or three nice computers, you could have a basic lift, an air compressor, and a set of air tools. |
| 20:53.01 | levi-laptop | The trick is that you have to have the room for all of it, and I don't. :( |
| 20:53.15 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: or a new car |
| 20:53.27 | levi-laptop | True. |
| 20:53.37 | levi-laptop | If I had a Festiva, that would take priority. ;) |
| 20:54.10 | levi-laptop | hans: What did you think of the composable memory transactions paper? |
| 20:54.33 | hans | haven't read it, but it's on my list of bedtime reading |
| 20:54.39 | hans | a laptop is a beautiful thing |
| 20:54.51 | Tene | bah, now it dies on prepare() |
| 20:55.07 | hans | Tene: at least it's consistent. |
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| 20:55.39 | Tene | Very true. |
| 20:55.51 | Tene | the main issue is this broken apache setup |
| 20:56.00 | Tene | I have no access to an error_log |
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| 20:57.25 | Jayce^ | well, you can redirect STDERR then.. also do a prepare || print $dbh->error |
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| 20:59.42 | *** topic/#utah by Lars-UT -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | SW:EP3 herlo.org midnight showing in Payson SOLD OUT |
| 21:00.09 | mheath | :( |
| 21:00.26 | mheath | I wanted a ticket to that. Didn't have the money, though..... |
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| 21:01.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone here know anything about hosting in Brazil? |
| 21:01.31 | Lone_Wanderer | well, S. America anywhere |
| 21:02.02 | RyanE | no, but if you pay me enough, I'll go down there and find out for you. |
| 21:02.36 | mrpull | Lone_Wanderer: why does the local matter? |
| 21:03.21 | goozbach | mrpull: probally to advoid any 'imperial' entanglemnts |
| 21:03.35 | goozbach | where imperial == RIAA |
| 21:03.37 | Lars-UT | Lone_Wanderer: vc fala port.? |
| 21:04.01 | RyanE | todo mundo aqui fala Portugues, ne? |
| 21:04.14 | Lars-UT | claro |
| 21:04.26 | goozbach | claro |
| 21:04.40 | Lars-UT | vamo polluir o canal |
| 21:04.42 | RyanE | after a PLUG meeting about a year ago, 5-7 of us were standing around, and someone started talking Portuguese, and I think 5 of us could speak |
| 21:04.58 | Lars-UT | holy crap |
| 21:05.06 | Lars-UT | I had no idea |
| 21:05.25 | RyanE | Jayce^, Stuart, me, and I don't remember who else. |
| 21:05.33 | Lars-UT | Jordan |
| 21:06.16 | Lone_Wanderer | we want to be able to serve up pages to S. American users quick like. |
| 21:07.25 | Lars-UT | ask this question on PLUG list |
| 21:07.50 | Lars-UT | Lone_Wanderer: methinks you'll get an answer there |
| 21:08.06 | Lone_Wanderer | ok thanks Lars :) |
| 21:08.08 | mrpull | ask it in portugues for extra credit |
| 21:08.14 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 21:08.18 | Lone_Wanderer | if I knew someone who spoke Portugese I would. |
| 21:08.52 | Lars-UT | Go ahead & post in in English so that more folks will benefit. |
| 21:09.19 | goozbach | bah do a multi-part email |
| 21:09.43 | Jayce^ | Lone_Wanderer, plenty of people here speak it :) |
| 21:09.50 | mrpull | and a video with ASL |
| 21:09.56 | Lars-UT | Lone_Wanderer: I do have some former mission buddies who work in IT down there as well. Ask PLUG first though. |
| 21:10.03 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
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| 21:10.44 | Lone_Wanderer | is there any way to do a lookup on an IP to see how many sites are hosted on it? |
| 21:12.14 | levi-laptop | Ack, we're converting to Groupwise emaiil at work. |
| 21:12.31 | Jayce^ | better than exchange :-p |
| 21:12.32 | tensai | poor levi-laptop |
| 21:12.38 | Jayce^ | just keep reminding yourself of that |
| 21:12.43 | Jayce^ | it'll be your only consolation |
| 21:13.10 | tensai | levi-laptop: converting from what? |
| 21:14.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that a no then? |
| 21:14.54 | levi-laptop | qmail |
| 21:14.58 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: correct, it's not possible |
| 21:15.18 | Lone_Wanderer | mmkay |
| 21:15.45 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought I'd heard about something that did that before - basically they just did a dig on every domain (a lot of them anyway) and correlated the IPs that are the same |
| 21:16.12 | Lone_Wanderer | oh wow. 328 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 327462ms |
| 21:16.14 | RyanE | a dig on every domain is not really possible... |
| 21:16.21 | Lone_Wanderer | sure it is |
| 21:16.38 | Lone_Wanderer | assuming that there are a finite number of domains, and that it's possible to know every domain |
| 21:16.40 | RyanE | for google, maybe, but not for someone with limited resources. |
| 21:16.46 | Lone_Wanderer | google has limited resources |
| 21:16.50 | RyanE | I mean not 'practically' possible. |
| 21:16.53 | RyanE | c'mon |
| 21:17.03 | Lone_Wanderer | sorry |
| 21:17.14 | RyanE | I also posit that it's not possible to know every domain. |
| 21:17.15 | Lone_Wanderer | you're right, of course |
| 21:17.24 | Lone_Wanderer | of course it's possible |
| 21:17.49 | Lone_Wanderer | just hard |
| 21:18.02 | Uncle_Jesse | Lone_Wanderer: my Uncle has done quite a bit of hosting down in Brazil - I could get you in touch with him if you're interested |
| 21:18.13 | RyanE | I give up. Everything is *possible*, you're correct. you win. |
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| 21:18.26 | Lars-UT | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 21:18.27 | ibot | The lesson here is that dreams inevitably lead to hideous implosions. That's why the skool has instituted this test. |
| 21:18.40 | Lone_Wanderer | assuming that you can know every top level domain, and that there is an upper limit on the length of domain names. |
| 21:18.48 | Lone_Wanderer | if one or the other of those isn't true then it's not possible. |
| 21:18.52 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: netcraft might keep data like that |
| 21:19.41 | Lone_Wanderer | but you could write a script to dig a.com, dig b.com ... dig aa.com dib ab.com etc. |
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| 21:20.29 | Uncle_Jesse | He would know more of the business side vs the technical though |
| 21:20.43 | tensai | and shortly after you got into the 4 digits your DNS provider would abruptly cut you off for abusive lookups |
| 21:21.15 | RyanE | and if he didn't, you'd run over your 100G limit for the month, and start charging you by the byte |
| 21:21.19 | Lone_Wanderer | that's assuming that you wrote your script to lookup things abusively and that your DNS provider has that sort of policy |
| 21:21.35 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway like I said, I didn't say it was easy, just that it's possible, eh? |
| 21:21.55 | RyanE | and if you didn't, and you weren't abusive, by the time you got to 'C.com', all of the A and B data would be incorrect as new domains are taken |
| 21:22.19 | Lone_Wanderer | so let's say you have some kind of seti@home type setup... |
| 21:22.20 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 21:22.38 | tensai | in theory, it's possible. in practice, I doubt it |
| 21:23.41 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, I'm pretty sure I saw a site before that at least attempted to do that kind of thing |
| 21:23.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess I could just call the company and ask how many people they've got on their server. |
| 21:24.04 | Lars-UT | that reminds me - I think I need my own distributed computing project for encoding local LUG movie collections. |
| 21:24.06 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway time for me to go |
| 21:24.27 | scott | anyone good at troubleshooting hardware problems? how many irqs does a typical system have? can they be shared? can you set them in linux or do you do that in the bios? |
| 21:24.27 | Lars-UT | Lone_Wanderer: later |
| 21:26.31 | mrpull | (IIRC) 16 irqs but you cant use them all |
| 21:26.47 | mrpull | modern PCI can share IRQs |
| 21:27.10 | mrpull | you should be able to set them in the BIOS... but I haven't done that for years |
| 21:27.18 | mrpull | what device are you tinkering with? isn't it plug and play? |
| 21:27.50 | vontrapp | any ideas for my table join problem? |
| 21:28.47 | levi-laptop | vontrapp: Your problem is that you're assuming ordering in a relational database. |
| 21:28.47 | vontrapp | if i could get at a row number and join on the row number that would work... |
| 21:29.01 | levi-laptop | If you have a row number, you don't need to join. |
| 21:29.06 | vontrapp | it's a one time dirty fix for a one time dirty mistake |
| 21:29.48 | levi-laptop | That sort of mistake belies a fundamental misunderstanding of relational databases, though. |
| 21:29.58 | vontrapp | or an accidental deletion |
| 21:30.44 | levi-laptop | Accedental deletion of an attribute in your schema? |
| 21:31.02 | vontrapp | no, i deleted entries from a table |
| 21:31.22 | vontrapp | this table associates two other tables, with some extra information |
| 21:31.55 | vontrapp | it just so happens that the entries in table one and two that i need to re-join are in the same order and the extra information i know |
| 21:32.20 | levi-laptop | So you deleted your relation table? |
| 21:32.34 | levi-laptop | Or, all the entries in it? |
| 21:32.42 | vontrapp | all the entries |
| 21:32.47 | levi-laptop | Ack! |
| 21:32.51 | levi-laptop | Don't do that. :) |
| 21:33.02 | vontrapp | thanx for the tip, i'll keep that in mind ;) |
| 21:33.30 | vontrapp | it was a fresh db, with some imports done |
| 21:33.46 | vontrapp | so just begining information, nothing huge |
| 21:34.16 | vontrapp | just trying to re-associate the data that's there instead of deleting everything and starting over (which i _could_ do, if it came to that) |
| 21:34.23 | levi-laptop | Dump the tables, hack a script to read them and create the relation table entries. |
| 21:34.38 | levi-laptop | Or have the script query the db, or whatever. |
| 21:34.48 | vontrapp | *sigh* |
| 21:35.01 | vontrapp | i tire of scripting db stuff |
| 21:35.14 | vontrapp | i much prefer using the db itself |
| 21:35.43 | levi-laptop | Well, restoring deleted information isn't a typical db feature. |
| 21:35.54 | vontrapp | touche |
| 21:36.37 | RyanE | unless you made a backup, then it *is* a typical DB feature. |
| 21:36.46 | levi-laptop | Just be glad you /can/ recover from your mistake. |
| 21:37.46 | vontrapp | if i had subselects i would never have made the mistake in the first place |
| 21:37.54 | vontrapp | ~lart mysql 4.x |
| 21:38.16 | vontrapp | i guess that's 4.<1 |
| 21:38.20 | levi-laptop | Tsk, blaming the tools... ;) |
| 21:48.40 | scott | mrpull: I got a new atheros wireless card and I installed it but when I bootup the BIOS tells me there's a Resource Conflict with it |
| 21:50.21 | mrpull | can you identify the other device that it is conflicting with? |
| 21:50.38 | mrpull | what bus is the atheros card? |
| 21:52.03 | scott | 02 |
| 21:52.10 | scott | Resource Conflict - PCI Network Controller in slot 01 |
| 21:52.11 | scott | Bus: 02, Device 02, Function: 00 |
| 21:52.22 | scott | it's a miniPCI card on my thinkpad |
| 21:52.51 | scott | how would I identify what device it's conflicting with? |
| 22:00.54 | mrpull | scott: most of the time, the bios can sort those things out by itself. unfortunately, i have to say look in your bios for other things to disable. |
| 22:01.15 | mrpull | scott: I'd start by disabling the wired lan card in the bios (just for testing) |
| 22:01.35 | mrpull | scott: make sure the atheros works, then reenable it |
| 22:01.49 | mrpull | perhaps that exercise will sort out the conflict automagically |
| 22:04.58 | mrpull | the other thing to consider would be disabling other devices you don't use (serial ports -- traditionally IRQ3 & 4, Parallel port -- IRQ 7) |
| 22:05.39 | mrpull | it has been a looong time since I troubleshot interupt issues tho. Maybe i'm overlooking something more obvious. |
| 22:06.03 | mrpull | a little googling with your laptop and wifi model may be a better place to start |
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| 22:21.07 | Lars-UT | I want to leave irc on all the time, is it appropriate to use the away feature? Should I msg the channel (brb, etc..)? |
| 22:22.08 | jce | no. |
| 22:22.28 | jce | at least I wouldn't myself. |
| 22:22.41 | vontrapp | away is ok, auto reply away not |
| 22:23.20 | Lars-UT | jce: do u leave it running all the time? |
| 22:24.12 | Tene | don't message the channel |
| 22:24.19 | Tene | but yes set away |
| 22:24.39 | Tene | that way if someone runs /whois on you or send you a /msg, the server tells them that you're away and gives them your reason |
| 22:25.05 | Lars-UT | lemme try that now... |
| 22:26.34 | Lars-UT | and now I'm back |
| 22:26.54 | Lars-UT | thx for your patience on that... is it different on other channels? |
| 22:27.13 | hans | Lars-UT: the same in all sane portions of the universe |
| 22:27.26 | Lars-UT | :) |
| 22:27.29 | hans | doing /away will also grey you in the list for some clients (e.g. xchat) |
| 22:27.54 | hans | and some intelligent clients (e.g. irssi) will give you a backlog of stuff with your name in it when you un-away (just /away with no arguments) |
| 22:30.50 | Lars-UT | RE: ep3 tix I was worried about overselling... I do have 5 tix left. Let me know if you're interested. |
| 22:32.17 | Lars-UT | And, no this is not some clever marketing on my part - I would have felt really bad if somebody paid on PayPal and then got screwed. |
| 22:32.47 | hans | did I mention I hate paypal? |
| 22:32.57 | Tene | ~lart paypal? |
| 22:32.59 | Lars-UT | yes, yes, you did. |
| 22:33.05 | hans | just checking |
| 22:33.20 | Lars-UT | ~jedi paypal |
| 22:33.21 | ibot | ACTION jumps in her x-wing fighter and blows paypal to pieces |
| 22:33.31 | jce | yeah. |
| 22:33.39 | hans | the worst part about paypal is that market pressure demands something like paypal, so it's not going away. |
| 22:33.48 | Lars-UT | true |
| 22:33.59 | hans | so the best I can hope for is some competition |
| 22:34.17 | Lars-UT | Maybe a new UN currency... |
| 22:40.01 | Lars-UT | ummm... 3 tix left now. |
| 22:41.50 | Lars-UT | correction - |
| 22:41.58 | Lars-UT | And now zero tix left. |
| 22:42.02 | Lars-UT | really. |
| 22:44.04 | Lars-UT | Demand really picks up the last week of sales. I was a bit worried when the first week and a half was slow. |
| 22:45.20 | vontrapp | that was retarded |
| 22:45.26 | vontrapp | Alt+S refused to bring up sage |
| 22:45.36 | vontrapp | firefox has some issues with key bindings |
| 22:50.56 | Bradipo | vontrapp: I agree. ctrl-a and ctrl-e no longer work as expected. |
| 23:06.08 | *** join/#utah bucky (~bucky@bucky.active.supporter.pdpc) |
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| 23:12.04 | bucky | more snow !!! |