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| 00:22.34 | goozbach | even sjansen is turning me down now |
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| 00:26.19 | emcnabb | does anyone have a sister that would like to go to the movies with goozbach? |
| 00:28.26 | goozbach | sister/cousin/girlfriend/ex-wife/wife/femaile over the age of 18 that would like to go the movies with me |
| 00:32.23 | emcnabb | wow, that people on #utah aren't even responding |
| 00:32.25 | emcnabb | that sucks |
| 00:32.42 | goozbach | dejection is my middle name |
| 00:32.52 | goozbach | bah! |
| 00:32.58 | goozbach | BAH! I SAY |
| 00:36.03 | tene | hrmm... |
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| 00:38.56 | tene | bonez39 will go to the movies with you, goozbach. |
| 00:39.40 | goozbach | you will bonez39 ??!!??? |
| 00:40.20 | bonez39 | hmmm sure....The new Star Wars flick? the Sith something? |
| 00:40.27 | bonez39 | Revenge of the Sith? what is the title? |
| 00:42.29 | goozbach | BAH! |
| 00:42.36 | goozbach | 23people I've called |
| 00:42.39 | goozbach | none can go |
| 00:43.09 | goozbach | and the one who said she would, got stuck at work |
| 00:43.31 | tene | :( |
| 00:43.39 | tene | build a girl to go to the movies with you. |
| 00:44.22 | goozbach | I'm tempted |
| 00:44.37 | goozbach | I _DO_ have a date for EpIII |
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| 00:45.19 | goozbach | RyanE: thanks for the tickets man |
| 00:45.39 | RyanE | no problem. |
| 00:45.41 | RyanE | you going? |
| 00:45.44 | RyanE | isn't it at 7? |
| 00:45.50 | RyanE | or are you *there*? |
| 00:45.51 | goozbach | alone aparently |
| 00:45.56 | RyanE | hehehehe |
| 00:46.03 | RyanE | sorry, can't help you there. |
| 00:46.33 | RyanE | I always hesitate offering tickets to will farrell movies... |
| 00:46.39 | bonez39 | what's the name of the new release? |
| 00:46.45 | goozbach | I like him |
| 00:46.46 | RyanE | Screaming and Kicking |
| 00:46.52 | RyanE | working title was 'soccer dad' |
| 00:46.53 | goozbach | kicking and screaming |
| 00:46.59 | goozbach | it looks good |
| 00:46.59 | RyanE | same diff. :) |
| 00:47.11 | bonez39 | no, for rel III of the star wars series? |
| 00:47.58 | RyanE | what, the new one? |
| 00:48.06 | RyanE | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith |
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| 01:38.03 | goozbach | damn theater!!! |
| 01:38.38 | goozbach | sold out the show |
| 01:40.51 | goozbach | grrrr |
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| 03:18.59 | levi-laptop | Woo, Tiger arrived. |
| 03:28.46 | tensai | looks like tiger isn't very stable |
| 03:43.40 | tene | hehe |
| 03:48.10 | tene | ~logs |
| 03:48.11 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
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| 03:55.15 | *** topic/#utah by elg -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | SW:EP3 midnight showing in Payson. see herlo.org or ask Lars-UT |
| 03:55.36 | tensai | elg: found somebody then? |
| 03:55.53 | elg | we've finished interviews in any case |
| 03:56.14 | elg | as in I don't think we'll get any more applicants from the topic or the mailings. |
| 03:56.57 | mrpull- | out of curiousity... what was the pay like for that job? |
| 03:57.22 | elg | they're hoping to pay 35-55 or so doe |
| 03:57.36 | mrpull- | that isn't a broad range... <sarcasm> |
| 03:57.54 | elg | heh. and we've had a broad range of applicants too |
| 03:58.47 | mrpull- | it seems like the market is really picking up |
| 03:58.51 | mrpull- | and the pay ranges are too |
| 03:59.13 | elg | yeah |
| 04:01.01 | mrpull- | oh man... there is a dodge ad with "hair of the dog" as the back ground music |
| 04:01.10 | mrpull- | that song sticks in my head for months |
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| 04:24.59 | mrpull- | anybody run xen in ubuntu? |
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| 04:36.42 | dataw0lf | mrpull-: not that I've heard. |
| 04:37.01 | dataw0lf | Chris put up a wiki about it a while back, let me see if I can find it. |
| 04:37.07 | dataw0lf | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/XenVirtualMachine |
| 04:38.22 | mrpull- | yeah. i saw that... |
| 04:38.28 | mrpull- | thanks tho |
| 04:38.43 | dataw0lf | ubuntu-geek was thinking of doing something with it, but he's a bit busy right now. |
| 04:39.02 | dataw0lf | *shrug* why not just Debian? |
| 04:39.03 | mrpull- | ubuntu is probably not the right distro for a base |
| 04:39.12 | mrpull- | it's just what's on here right now |
| 04:39.28 | mrpull- | i get bored and look for ways to break this machine |
| 04:39.46 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 04:39.58 | mrpull- | the breezy upgrade went too well |
| 04:40.28 | dataw0lf | ah. |
| 04:40.30 | dataw0lf | one of those guys. |
| 04:40.41 | mrpull- | indeed. |
| 04:40.59 | mrpull- | i'm of the opinion that you've gotta break stuff really well to understand it |
| 04:41.33 | dataw0lf | yeah, I went through that phase. Then I just wanted something that worked and jumped on Ubuntu development and workstation use. |
| 04:43.22 | levi-laptop | I went through that phase, and then I got a Mac. ;) |
| 04:43.46 | dataw0lf | I'd do that...not. |
| 04:44.03 | dataw0lf | maybe if Apple wasn't as bad, if not worse, as Microsoft. |
| 04:47.02 | levi-laptop | The difference is, Apple's software is good, and a lot nicer to use. |
| 04:49.35 | mrpull- | i hesitate to say it here... but I dont think linux is ready for the desktop.... and maybe OSX to a lesser degree |
| 04:50.49 | dataw0lf | levi-laptop: that's a rather bold statement. Microsoft has some good applications, and Apple has some crap ones. I'd agree that overall Apple produces a better product, but that doesn't change the fact that they're a totalitarian proprietary dictatorship and are not so secretly raping the OSS community. |
| 04:51.04 | levi-laptop | ... |
| 04:51.13 | levi-laptop | Pot, kettle, etc. |
| 04:53.05 | levi-laptop | Speaking of bold statements, I mean. |
| 04:54.30 | dataw0lf | I just responded in kind. |
| 04:54.52 | levi-laptop | Hardly. |
| 04:56.22 | dataw0lf | well, perhaps I wasn't as vague, true. |
| 04:58.30 | levi-laptop | Well, I won't try to change your opinions on the matter, then. |
| 04:59.31 | dataw0lf | and I won't try to change yours. |
| 05:10.27 | SpecialK | dataw0lf: where does the rape come in? They have opened some stuff and leave Darwin somewhat opened. I'll agree about the dictatorship, but would say it applies to their in house proprietary gui apps (Including ?Quartz? windowing) more than their BSD foundation. |
| 05:10.57 | mrpull- | KHTML |
| 05:11.37 | SpecialK | I'm aware of, but haven't looked too closely at KHTML/Safari issues. |
| 05:13.55 | SpecialK | mrpull- What makes windows more ready for the desktop than other contenders? |
| 05:14.18 | mrpull- | SpecialK: active directory / group policy / exchange |
| 05:15.24 | levi-laptop | I guess this depends on what your definition of 'desktop' is. |
| 05:15.32 | levi-laptop | That sounds like an office desktop. |
| 05:15.44 | mrpull- | that's what i'm implying |
| 05:15.56 | mrpull- | a mac at home is great |
| 05:16.00 | levi-laptop | While others might think of a home desktop when it's not given a qualifier. |
| 05:16.11 | mrpull- | agreed |
| 05:16.20 | SpecialK | I haven't worked with active directory, but I'd say a lot of group policy stuff is the result of them plugging software holes. ( i.e. disable activex in the coporate environment since it can take over a machine.) |
| 05:18.51 | levi-laptop | As far as I can see with the KHTML thing, Apple is not doing anything particularly wrong, and the KHTML guys are mostly pissed at non-Apple people who are inclined to praise Apple for new KHTML features when they were really implemented by KHTML folks. |
| 05:18.59 | levi-laptop | Not exactly Apple's fault. |
| 05:19.30 | mrpull- | Apple hasn't been exactly helpful in giving their patches back to the KHTML guys |
| 05:19.40 | mrpull- | even if the license permits that... it isn't cool |
| 05:20.11 | SpecialK | That is unfortunate |
| 05:20.59 | levi-laptop | They offer their code, but not vcs history. And a lot of their code uses OS X apis, so it wouldn't be portable anyway. |
| 05:21.49 | mrpull- | levi-laptop: you are right... I didn't disclose that part for the sake of argument :) |
| 05:22.34 | levi-laptop | Why is forking 'not cool'? A lot of cool things have come from forked OSS projects. Sometimes changes can be merged from one to the other, other times not. |
| 05:22.35 | mrpull- | it would be nice if they sponsered a KHTML programmer to work on both safari and konqi |
| 05:23.22 | mrpull- | hell... I don't use either, but still want to see them improve |
| 05:23.50 | levi-laptop | It would be nice, but not exactly productive for Apple. |
| 05:24.01 | mrpull- | thus the raping |
| 05:24.08 | SpecialK | I've reached the cynical conclusion that all software is flawed and no software production group is composed of saints. |
| 05:24.10 | levi-laptop | That's not raping, that's forking a project. |
| 05:24.11 | mrpull- | taking, but not giving |
| 05:25.40 | mrpull- | are they really contributing to the OSS community then? |
| 05:25.47 | levi-laptop | They're giving back all their changes. They just happen to not all be useful for Konqueror, which was not why they were made. |
| 05:26.45 | SpecialK | which is why they forked, because konquerer and safari are fundamentally different. |
| 05:28.33 | SpecialK | I've never been a fan of all in one solutions becuase they fail to do anything well, and when you want if for one job, you have to trip over everything else. |
| 05:32.35 | levi-laptop | Anyway, rape is by definition non-consensual, and there's full consent involved in this situation. That's what the LGPL is for. The decision to LGPL something as opposed to GPLing it is specifically allowing this kind of usage. |
| 05:33.29 | mrpull- | rape is totally the wrong word... i shouldn't use it in this situation |
| 05:33.41 | SpecialK | It would seem in apples interest there to cooperate with the KHTML teams so both groups wouldn't have to duplicate each others work, thus giving them a whole extra development team to work on solving problems. |
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| 05:34.53 | levi-laptop | Well, I believe KHTML is probably as tied to KDE as WebKit is to OS X. There could probably be a greater degree of cooperation, but only to a certain degree. |
| 05:34.53 | mrpull- | and help take market share away from MSIE |
| 05:35.30 | SpecialK | Not until there's a KHTML browser for windows |
| 05:36.25 | mrpull- | a better browser on OSX and Linux doesn't pose any threat to windows? |
| 05:36.30 | mrpull- | I think it does |
| 05:36.39 | mrpull- | but in a very small way |
| 05:36.48 | levi-laptop | Well, Firefox does a pretty good job of that. |
| 05:36.59 | mrpull- | but safari/opera/konqi/firefox all help |
| 05:37.09 | SpecialK | Incidentally, I should probably stop browsing untrusted sites with Firefox until they fix their new bug. |
| 05:37.19 | mrpull- | and they can pressure MS to make IE more standards compliant |
| 05:39.50 | SpecialK | As for IE market share, a lot of people just don't care. |
| 05:40.37 | SpecialK | I tell any mac user I can that mac IE hasn't been updated in over 2 years, but they still use it. |
| 05:41.09 | levi-laptop | Mac IE used to be way ahead of anything else. That was a long time ago, though. |
| 05:42.21 | SpecialK | I love firefox, but it's not as stable as I'd like |
| 05:42.42 | mrpull- | here is my bottom line on the apple/khtml argument (then I'll argue the other side next time around) |
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| 05:43.06 | mrpull- | IF Microsoft did the same with Gecko and IE.... people would raise high holy hell |
| 05:43.12 | mrpull- | and MS would be a bad bad guy |
| 05:43.21 | mrpull- | Apple gets a pass on this one |
| 05:44.30 | levi-laptop | I don't know, I think a lot of people would just be happy that IE became standards-compliant. |
| 05:45.34 | mrpull- | the same ones who don't care that mac ie hasn't been updated in 2 years? |
| 05:46.39 | mrpull- | Apple is in fashion lately for good reason |
| 05:47.07 | levi-laptop | No, the poor frustrated web developers that have to develop crazy workarounds for IE's bugs. |
| 05:48.55 | mrpull- | or the web devs that have to worry that safari does CSS better than anything else? |
| 05:49.14 | levi-laptop | Why is that a worry? |
| 05:50.01 | mrpull- | here is my take... IE _is_ the standard right now. KHTML could compete... but Apple isn't sharing |
| 05:50.39 | levi-laptop | Konqueror has a miniscule portion of the browser market. |
| 05:51.10 | mrpull- | how does it compare to safari? |
| 05:51.29 | mrpull- | (in market share) |
| 05:54.31 | mrpull- | i'm finished vilifying Apple now. I think OSX is incredible and like they direction they are taking Unix on the desktop. |
| 05:54.55 | levi-laptop | All KHTML-based browsers share probably less than 3% of the market. |
| 05:55.31 | levi-laptop | All Geko-based browsers share closer to 30% |
| 05:57.09 | mrpull- | thanks for the dialog... don't take everything I said as 100% my opinion |
| 05:57.30 | mrpull- | i'm outta here |
| 05:57.35 | levi-laptop | G'night. |
| 05:57.53 | mrpull- | 'night |
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| 15:06.20 | vontrapp | ~lart elg |
| 15:06.44 | elg | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 15:42.29 | bigdog_ut | how about this weather |
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| 15:53.48 | levi-laptop | This weather sucks. |
| 15:54.00 | levi-laptop | Good thing it's almost over, for now at least. |
| 15:54.07 | dataw0lf|w | yeah. |
| 15:54.26 | dataw0lf|w | it's even worse when your T1 goes down because a pine tree branch stripped some cable pairs and allowed water to get in. |
| 15:54.28 | levi-laptop | I feel like I'm back in Seattle. |
| 15:54.58 | levi-laptop | Utah Power was futzing with something in my neighborhood, so I had to leave my server off today. |
| 15:55.30 | levi-laptop | I don't think anyone will miss my blog too terribly for one day, though. |
| 16:02.21 | Lars-UT | It does feel like Seattle |
| 16:02.53 | Lars-UT | Especially with everything so green. All that's missing is moss & ferns |
| 16:03.01 | levi-laptop | Yeah, the green is kind of nice. |
| 16:03.11 | levi-laptop | But the rain is wearing on me now. |
| 16:03.37 | Lars-UT | Really? Just look up & let it rain on your face. That makes me feel better. |
| 16:04.00 | Lars-UT | As long as I don't do it for more than a few seconds... |
| 16:05.11 | Lars-UT | The green is really striking if you drive down to St George. What is normally red rock & desert is now red rock & alfalfa. |
| 16:06.43 | Lars-UT | I just hope the temperatures make a gradual increase up here as we move towards summer. Otherwise we are going to have some serious flooding like they had down there. |
| 16:06.58 | dataw0lf|w | supposed to be in the 70s this weekend. |
| 16:07.04 | Lars-UT | yikes |
| 16:07.24 | dataw0lf|w | well, the high Saturday is 73 or something. |
| 16:07.37 | dataw0lf|w | Friday is similar, if I remember correctly. |
| 16:07.50 | Lars-UT | I live about 200 feet from Hobble Creek in Springville - I better get ready to fill some sandbags |
| 16:07.51 | dataw0lf|w | Sunday, upper 70s. |
| 16:09.00 | Lars-UT | There is a lot more snowpack now than there was back in '83 |
| 16:09.22 | dataw0lf|w | snowpack? |
| 16:09.24 | dataw0lf|w | what's that? |
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| 16:10.10 | Lars-UT | the amount of snow in the mountains |
| 16:10.20 | dataw0lf|w | ah. |
| 16:10.25 | dataw0lf|w | I'm from Chicago, I don't know these terms. |
| 16:10.39 | Lars-UT | http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/slc/forecast/PILversion.php?pil=ESF |
| 16:10.40 | levi-laptop | I was living in Provo in '83. |
| 16:11.06 | levi-laptop | In the neighborhood that's now across from Provo Town Center, or whatever it's called. |
| 16:11.35 | levi-laptop | They built a huge dike at the end of the neighborhood, and we had to install sump pumps in our crawlspace. |
| 16:12.37 | levi-laptop | The streets still flooded occasionally, IIRC. |
| 16:12.48 | levi-laptop | Now you can't even see the lake from there. |
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| 16:15.47 | Lars-UT | dataw0lf|w: As I understand it, the normal melting of the mountain snows that occurs during this time of year has been delayed because of excess storms, so the melt will occur in a much shorter timeframe, causing floods. |
| 16:17.09 | dataw0lf|w | Lars-UT: I see. |
| 16:17.46 | Lars-UT | levi-laptop: I understand that's the reason why there are raised embankments on the west side of I-15 in that area now. |
| 16:17.49 | Hhhhh | anybody played with 64-bit distros? |
| 16:17.54 | dataw0lf|w | Had a couple crazy floods in Chicago. |
| 16:18.36 | Lars-UT | That can't be good in a metro area. |
| 16:19.11 | dataw0lf|w | 92, and 96. |
| 16:19.46 | dataw0lf|w | 92 was the 'Great Chicago Flood', but it wasn't caused by rain, I think someone broke into the Chicago River from one of the freight tunnels, so basically the whole subterranean level of Chicago was filled with water. |
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| 16:19.53 | dataw0lf|w | IIRC. |
| 16:20.01 | Lars-UT | wow |
| 16:20.29 | Lars-UT | subways, too? |
| 16:21.32 | dataw0lf|w | Yeah, most of the business districts subways were out of commission, I think. |
| 16:21.46 | dataw0lf|w | Chicago has some very, very crazy weather. |
| 16:22.19 | dataw0lf|w | I came to SLC thinking it was going to be hotter, but Chicago's humidity during the summer is the real killer. God I hate humidity. |
| 16:22.33 | Lars-UT | Me too. |
| 16:22.38 | levi-laptop | Lars-UT: Yeah, a lot of sections of major roads got flooded in '83. |
| 16:23.01 | Jayce^ | yeah, the dryness helps, but also, it's a lot hotter on the east side of the lakes, than in the city sides |
| 16:23.25 | dataw0lf|w | Iraq didn't seem as hot as Chicago during the summer. |
| 16:23.37 | emcnabb | I'm from Illinois, I know what you mean... |
| 16:23.54 | Jayce^ | try florida or Rio... feel like you're swimming |
| 16:23.55 | dataw0lf|w | people don't understand, it's like a jungle in southern illinois. |
| 16:24.19 | emcnabb | dataw0lf|w, what part of southern Illinois were you in? |
| 16:24.19 | Lars-UT | I was born there |
| 16:24.27 | dataw0lf|w | I did jungle training at Bragg and in Florida, about the same. |
| 16:24.34 | emcnabb | I'm from Champaign IL |
| 16:24.42 | Lars-UT | Scott AFB, ILL |
| 16:24.45 | dataw0lf|w | emcnabb: Around Bloomington Normal, but I was raised in East Chicago. |
| 16:24.45 | levi-laptop | I lived at Ft. Bragg for a while. |
| 16:24.57 | dataw0lf|w | Bragg is terrible, I hate that place. |
| 16:24.59 | Hhhhh | nobody here uses a 64-bit distro? |
| 16:25.04 | dataw0lf|w | Hhhhh: I do. |
| 16:25.06 | Jayce^ | Subic Bay, now that got hot.. |
| 16:25.08 | emcnabb | dataw0lf|w, awesome |
| 16:25.14 | Hhhhh | dataw0lf: what do you use? |
| 16:25.28 | Jayce^ | hhhh, ubuntu |
| 16:25.31 | dataw0lf|w | Hhhhh: Ubuntu on this machine. |
| 16:25.34 | emcnabb | were you there for school? |
| 16:25.43 | emcnabb | ISU |
| 16:25.44 | vontrapp | i'm about to go 64bit |
| 16:25.49 | Hhhhh | me too |
| 16:25.56 | Hhhhh | I was thinking of FC3 |
| 16:25.58 | vontrapp | it seems ndiswrapper has been reported to work in 64bit now |
| 16:26.17 | dataw0lf|w | emcnabb: No, I took some classes at Northwestern for a while, but officially attended Purdue. I was in Bloomington Normal with my ex fiancee for a while after high school. |
| 16:26.43 | Hhhhh | anybody used FC3 64-bit? |
| 16:26.47 | dataw0lf|w | didn't go to school down there though. |
| 16:27.28 | emcnabb | my dad got his BS and MA from Purdue |
| 16:27.34 | dataw0lf|w | Good school. |
| 16:27.43 | emcnabb | when were you there? |
| 16:27.48 | emcnabb | I was born in Frankfort |
| 16:27.49 | emcnabb | IN |
| 16:28.03 | dataw0lf|w | ummm.. 2000. I dropped out midway through my second semester to join the Army, however. |
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| 16:28.16 | dataw0lf|w | emcnabb: I have family in Terre Haute. |
| 16:28.30 | emcnabb | cool, I've been through there many times |
| 16:29.08 | dataw0lf|w | I'm sure you know how terrible it is then ;) |
| 16:29.12 | emcnabb | my Dad's side of the family is from Chicago area; my Grandma lives in Mt Prospect, cousins in Elgin, another cousin lives downtown |
| 16:29.17 | emcnabb | haha |
| 16:29.18 | dataw0lf|w | they moved from Gary, though, so it was a step up. |
| 16:29.25 | emcnabb | Gary is horrible |
| 16:30.10 | JoshH | i went to chicago once, awesome city. huge though. |
| 16:30.14 | emcnabb | I think it's no longer murder capitol of the US |
| 16:30.26 | emcnabb | there's a lot to do in Chicago |
| 16:30.32 | dataw0lf|w | Yeah, I lived in Gary for two years. |
| 16:30.37 | dataw0lf|w | Gave me a good perspective on life. |
| 16:30.38 | emcnabb | I'm sorry |
| 16:30.42 | JoshH | im bored with SLC |
| 16:30.45 | dataw0lf|w | 'You can die at anytime!' |
| 16:30.47 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 16:30.48 | JoshH | ive done everything there is to do here many times |
| 16:30.50 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 16:31.26 | dataw0lf|w | people are like 'Gary can't be that bad.. I never hear about it.' That's because so few come out alive, hehe. |
| 16:31.29 | Hhhhh | JoshH: well, imagine us living here in Provo :( |
| 16:31.39 | JoshH | Hhhhh: believe me, i feel sorry for you. :) |
| 16:31.53 | JoshH | (no offense to anyone who likes it there, heh) |
| 16:31.59 | Hhhhh | (yea) |
| 16:32.10 | Hhhhh | but I can't wait to move to the East |
| 16:32.22 | dataw0lf|w | east coast? |
| 16:32.26 | Hhhhh | yup |
| 16:32.27 | emcnabb | I find though that as long as I have a fast 'net connection I don't care where I am :-) |
| 16:32.35 | dataw0lf|w | move to the northwest. |
| 16:32.39 | dataw0lf|w | that's where I'm headed eventually. |
| 16:32.50 | Jayce^ | Northwest is best :) |
| 16:32.52 | dataw0lf|w | I can watch the Sox play from the TV, and that's all I need from Chicago. |
| 16:33.01 | Hhhhh | dataw0lf|w: seems cool, but I fell in love with the southeast |
| 16:33.04 | Lars-UT | It is a nice place - as long as you stay in WA |
| 16:33.05 | Lars-UT | :) |
| 16:33.08 | levi-laptop | I kind of like SLC. It's just big enough to have a few cool events happen, but not so big as to be overwhelming. And there's a ton of good biking around here. |
| 16:33.17 | dataw0lf|w | Lars-UT: nah, I'm going to Oregon. |
| 16:33.18 | Jayce^ | WESTERN washington that is |
| 16:33.21 | JoshH | Jayce^: i want to take a pac northwest vacation next year, check out san francisco, portland, seattle, and vancouver. |
| 16:33.26 | Lars-UT | yup |
| 16:33.29 | Jayce^ | west of the cascades is fine |
| 16:33.31 | Hhhhh | levi-laptop: yea, if you're into biking then it's the place to be |
| 16:33.36 | JoshH | everyone i know who has been to that area loves it |
| 16:33.40 | dataw0lf|w | I was born in Oregon. |
| 16:33.44 | Lars-UT | dataw0lf|w: Portland? |
| 16:33.47 | dataw0lf|w | never got to really live there, unfortunately. |
| 16:33.50 | Jayce^ | JoshH, get Victoria if you can, better than vancouver |
| 16:33.58 | dataw0lf|w | Lars-UT: I was thinking maybe Eugene, but probably. |
| 16:34.04 | JoshH | ill try |
| 16:34.11 | levi-laptop | Hhhhh: Also if you're into skiing, hang gliding, parasailing, or any number of other 'extreme' sports. |
| 16:34.12 | dataw0lf|w | Lars-UT: probably going to go coastal so I can live off of a boat. |
| 16:34.36 | Jayce^ | Victoria is a beautiful city, and the drive up to the Port Angeles ferry is great |
| 16:34.41 | Lars-UT | Can you get broadband on a boat? |
| 16:34.48 | JoshH | wireless im sure |
| 16:34.49 | dataw0lf|w | that's the real question. |
| 16:34.54 | levi-laptop | I was born in Montana, but I don't consider it too unfortunate that I didn't live there long. |
| 16:35.01 | Lars-UT | Wait a sec - I think spamhaus is hosted on a boat |
| 16:35.02 | JoshH | that would be sweet to IRC from a few miles offshore |
| 16:35.12 | dataw0lf|w | Man, I love Montana, I worked there for a couple summers. |
| 16:35.16 | dataw0lf|w | Bozeman is a great town. |
| 16:35.43 | JoshH | ya but what are the women there like |
| 16:35.55 | dataw0lf|w | I have no idea, I was engaged at the time. |
| 16:35.57 | Jayce^ | have a family cabin in Montana, right by the Bob Marshall Wilderness |
| 16:36.11 | Jayce^ | heading up again in July |
| 16:36.14 | Hhhhh | levi-laptop: i'm not into any of those. I used to do mountain bike a while ago |
| 16:36.19 | levi-laptop | It'd be a great place to have a cabin. |
| 16:36.35 | JoshH | id like to have a cabin up there next to the radical militias |
| 16:36.39 | Jayce^ | of course, it's a true 'cabin' not what most people call cabins nowadays |
| 16:37.14 | Lars-UT | I've been thinking about buying an etrex Legend GPS - any of you into geocaching? |
| 16:37.40 | Jayce^ | bradipo and mecworks really are |
| 16:37.56 | dataw0lf|w | Lars-UT: most of the people at my work are. |
| 16:38.09 | JoshH | Lars-UT: ive gone on geocaching hunts with friends before, usually there is nothing interesting when you find the hidden cache, in my experience, but its a fairly cool hobby |
| 16:38.25 | Bradipo | I haven't gotten in much caching lately. |
| 16:38.40 | Lars-UT | I had no idea it was so popular - I just read an article last week & decided I needed a new hobby. |
| 16:38.43 | Bradipo | Helps to have an off-road vehicle, and my Ford Festiva just doesn't cut it. |
| 16:39.06 | JoshH | ive only done it around the SLC area, no 4WD needed |
| 16:39.19 | dataw0lf|w | Lars-UT: we work with alot of GPS stuff here at work, so it's just a natural extension. |
| 16:39.21 | Bradipo | JoshH: Usually there isn't anything interesting, but it sure is fun trying to find it. :-) |
| 16:39.22 | Lars-UT | that stinks - I was thinking a new pair of hiking shoes & a GPS wal all I needed |
| 16:39.33 | Lars-UT | wal=was |
| 16:39.36 | Bradipo | Lars-UT: Well, it is. |
| 16:39.42 | Bradipo | There are plenty of easy to get to caches. |
| 16:40.02 | Bradipo | Its just that the more interesting ones are the ones up in the middle of nowhere. :-) |
| 16:40.10 | Bradipo | That is if you enjoy getting out there. |
| 16:40.11 | Lars-UT | Ahso |
| 16:41.01 | Bradipo | Its also fun to hide your own. |
| 16:41.40 | hans | the neat part about this weather is that the lawn I destroyed last year is starting to make a comeback. |
| 16:41.42 | Lars-UT | Any recommendations on a first GPS unit? I've seen these etrex legends for about $130 on ebay |
| 16:41.43 | Bradipo | Here's one I've hidden: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=f46ee895-2fd0-44e2-bfe6-8bd368a84643 |
| 16:42.36 | hans | Hhhhh: I have a 64-bit processor at work. I wisely put a 32-bit debian on it, judging from sjansen's complaints. |
| 16:42.45 | hans | vontrapp also has experience with 64-bit |
| 16:42.51 | Lars-UT | Bradipo: That would be worth finding |
| 16:43.03 | Lars-UT | I'm guessing it's not easy |
| 16:43.12 | Bradipo | Not that one. |
| 16:43.15 | Lars-UT | :) |
| 16:43.22 | Bradipo | But it sure was fun getting up there. |
| 16:43.34 | Bradipo | Notice how many people have actually found it. :-) |
| 16:43.48 | Bradipo | Last find was 9/4/2004 and before that 10/17/2003 |
| 16:44.02 | Bradipo | And someone actually got to it in a helicopter. |
| 16:44.28 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 16:44.33 | dataw0lf|w | Lars-UT: my Dad has a Magellan Platinum, he swears by it, but I think it's pretty high end. |
| 16:44.48 | vontrapp | Bradipo: your festiva isn't a good offroad vehicle? |
| 16:45.02 | Lars-UT | I don't think I want to start off spending more than $150 |
| 16:45.09 | Lars-UT | I'm fine with a used unit |
| 16:45.28 | vontrapp | mine braved the foothills of ceder hills and only got a messed up exaust and a dent in the passenger side floor |
| 16:45.49 | Bradipo | This is the one I want: http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap60cs/ |
| 16:46.01 | Bradipo | Right now, I only have a Garmin GPS III+ |
| 16:46.07 | Bradipo | Its pretty dated, but still works. |
| 16:47.03 | mrpull | Lars-UT: I'll sell you my Magellan Platinum |
| 16:47.08 | Bradipo | vontrapp: That's awesome! I usually don't take it far because I don't want to get stranded somewhere. :-) |
| 16:47.16 | mrpull | i really want the new Explorist |
| 16:47.34 | Lars-UT | mrpull: how much? |
| 16:47.37 | vontrapp | i had four people in the car, too |
| 16:47.54 | vontrapp | probably wouldn't have done much at all to the car if it were just me |
| 16:47.59 | mrpull | Lars-UT: I'd have to make sure it was a fair deal |
| 16:48.08 | mrpull | I spent 400ish on it a year ago |
| 16:48.14 | mrpull | 350ish I think |
| 16:48.27 | Lars-UT | above my range. Thanks, though. |
| 16:48.44 | mrpull | nahhh... i'd sell it for 200 bucks |
| 16:49.04 | Lars-UT | Hmm.... |
| 16:49.14 | mrpull | but one on ebay (maybe even new) would probably be a better deal |
| 16:49.27 | Lars-UT | I'm about to check |
| 16:49.47 | mrpull | that figure is off the top of my head... |
| 16:51.22 | Lars-UT | mrpull: is it waterprrof? |
| 16:51.37 | mrpull | the specs say it is. i haven't tried :) |
| 16:52.01 | mrpull | it floats and should be able to be submerged to 3 or 4 feet (or more) without problems |
| 16:52.12 | Bradipo | Lars-UT: Here is a decent model: http://www.garmin.com/products/gps5/ |
| 16:52.46 | mrpull | i drooled over the explorist 600 at sportsmans warehouse the other day |
| 16:52.55 | mrpull | 450 is a lot to dig up right now tho |
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| 16:58.42 | Lars-UT | Magellan Meridian Platinum right? |
| 17:01.22 | Lars-UT | mrpull: Talk to me again the middle of next month if the unit is still available. |
| 17:03.15 | Lars-UT | Now to MPEG4 set top players: I wrote up a short review of the Philips DVP642 on herlo.org |
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| 17:13.53 | Lars-UT | I'm diving into ultrawolf/High Availability this weekend on the cheap on my Samba server. Any words of wisdom? |
| 17:14.32 | Lars-UT | I'll be using serial & xover for heartbeats |
| 17:15.15 | mrpull | i've used ultramonkey for web load balancing |
| 17:15.25 | mrpull | but never heard of ultrawolf :) |
| 17:16.14 | Lars-UT | doh - that's what I meant |
| 17:16.14 | Lars-UT | As I said, I'm new to HA |
| 17:16.15 | mrpull | heh... do you really need HA for samba? |
| 17:16.15 | mrpull | (or is it just for fun... in that case go for it) |
| 17:16.52 | Lars-UT | I've been ordered to put up a redundant server, even if it's slower than our primary. Ultramonkey seemed to make sense |
| 17:18.18 | Lars-UT | If our CPU fans / power supply / hard drives die on one server, I need to be able to failover |
| 17:18.18 | mrpull | fair enough |
| 17:18.18 | mrpull | Window+DFS is a good solution for that |
| 17:18.56 | Lars-UT | I'm not willing to make the platform jump |
| 17:18.56 | mrpull | i wonder is samba has DFS... |
| 17:19.11 | Lars-UT | I have no idea |
| 17:19.12 | mrpull | (i've got the MS licenses... gotta use them where they make sense) |
| 17:19.22 | Lars-UT | understod |
| 17:20.03 | mrpull | DFS is nice because you can have two file servers synced, and use the same name \\domain\dfsshare refer to both |
| 17:20.27 | Lars-UT | I've been really happy with my uptime thus far, and I don't want to mess with licensing & frequent patches that require reboots |
| 17:21.34 | Lars-UT | I was thinking I could do the same thing with samba... I could setup up a "virtual" server with a particular IP addr, and then fail between the two boxes |
| 17:21.49 | Lars-UT | that IP addr would be the PDC |
| 17:22.33 | Lars-UT | Maybe I should post this to onw of the lists... |
| 17:24.24 | mrpull | yeah. I'm not aware of people using samba in HA like that.... i'd love to hear the discussion. |
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| 17:28.17 | tensai | Lars-UT: we use DRBD to replicate large volumes. works well and plays nice with HA although we're doing manual failover at this point. |
| 17:30.12 | mrpull | DFS also does a bit of geographic load balancing |
| 17:30.33 | mrpull | i've got two fileservers in two different citys... but my users refer to them both as the same name |
| 17:30.39 | mrpull | and access the closer box |
| 17:31.18 | Lars-UT | mrpull: that's pretty cool. |
| 17:31.18 | Lars-UT | tensai: So if the heartbeat between the boxes fails you just plug the lan into the correct one? |
| 17:32.11 | Lars-UT | tensai: DRBD is an exact copy of the device, right? |
| 17:33.40 | Lars-UT | tensai: What filesystem are you using? I'm on ext2 right now. |
| 17:36.21 | tensai | reiserfs but drbd is fs agnostic |
| 17:37.06 | tensai | yeah, the block device is an exact copy. it can only be mounted on the primary server. |
| 17:37.23 | tensai | we brought ours up on an existing filesystem with no problems. I was really impressed. |
| 17:38.20 | Jayce^ | tensai, link for drbd ? |
| 17:38.24 | tensai | drbd.org |
| 17:38.26 | Lars-UT | wow that would be pretty fast |
| 17:38.44 | Lars-UT | to implement |
| 17:39.16 | Lars-UT | I am considering upgrading the whole server though - this one is pretty old, it's running RH9 & Samba 2.2.11 |
| 17:40.28 | Lars-UT | http://www.slackworks.com/~dkrovich/DRBD/index.html |
| 17:41.00 | tensai | I'm sold on drbd. We'll be using it for some more projects in the future as well. I'm happy to answer questions if you need. |
| 17:41.19 | Lars-UT | I'm shutting down the office at 5:30 PM on Friday |
| 17:42.34 | Lars-UT | I'd like to have it up by Saturday afternoon. My Deadline is 3pm. I figure if I don't have it done by that point I'll restore the current config. I can wait until the following Friday & try again. |
| 17:43.31 | Lars-UT | tensai: What about my proposed heartbeat setup? (one null modem db9, and a crossover cable) |
| 17:43.38 | tensai | the hardest part was compiling the kernel, which wasn't even that bad |
| 17:43.59 | Lars-UT | tensai: 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 17:44.04 | tensai | Lars-UT: others on the drbd list are doing just that but I haven't really even looked |
| 17:44.14 | tensai | 2.4.18 (debian stable) |
| 17:44.14 | mrpull | you could use heartbeat to script the failover |
| 17:44.36 | Lars-UT | mrpull: That would be ideal |
| 17:45.16 | mrpull | stop samba, dismount the volume on the dead one, mount volume, start samba on the failover |
| 17:45.47 | mrpull | maybe tensai could help with the actual steps and you could put them into the scripts |
| 17:45.50 | Lars-UT | mrpull: I like the sound of that |
| 17:46.14 | Lars-UT | tensai: What are your manual failover steps? |
| 17:48.07 | tensai | on the failed node (if available): umount /var/mail; drbdadm down mail |
| 17:48.36 | tensai | on the new primary: drbdadm primary mail; mount /var/mail; /etc/init.d/exim start ... |
| 17:49.27 | tensai | on the failed node you'd have to stop anything that was accessing the partition first, I guess |
| 17:49.29 | mrpull | sounds like an opportunity for the two of you to right up a how-to :) |
| 17:49.41 | mrpull | thanks for sharing :) |
| 17:49.56 | Lars-UT | I'll write up my solution |
| 17:50.39 | tensai | I also set up runlevels 2 and 4 as primary and secondary so that the secondary doesn't hang during boot |
| 17:50.57 | tensai | in level 4 I took out all the services |
| 17:51.02 | mrpull | ahh... that is wise |
| 17:51.39 | tensai | there's probably also a step in there for switching the IP address if they're sharing one |
| 17:52.10 | mrpull | i think it would be wise to use a shared ip address and bind samba to that IP |
| 17:52.22 | mrpull | so the windows hosts only know of the shared IP |
| 17:52.47 | Lars-UT | That makes sense |
| 17:52.54 | tensai | my boxes have rfc1918 addresses and then share a public address |
| 17:55.46 | Uncle_Je1se | asking verizon to open up port 80 for me is entertaining |
| 17:56.40 | Uncle_Jesse | I had to educate this guy what a web server was |
| 17:56.48 | mrpull | oh my |
| 17:59.58 | tensai | Lars-UT: one caveat. I had to repartition my server because DRBD needs a 128MB partition to keep track of dirty blocks. |
| 18:00.40 | dataw0lf|w | ok, I'm in an argument with someone regarding find and removing files. |
| 18:01.02 | dataw0lf|w | -delete is > than piping to xargs, because of kern.argmax, correct? |
| 18:01.07 | dataw0lf|w | Or am I just crazy. |
| 18:01.34 | tensai | dataw0lf|w: yes, you're correct |
| 18:01.44 | dataw0lf|w | Thank you sir. |
| 18:03.20 | tensai | I've never heard of -delete though and I don't see it mentioned in the man page. I use -exec rm {} \; which is slower than xargs because it spawns a shell for each file. |
| 18:03.44 | tensai | but with large file sets you don't have a choice because xargs will crap out |
| 18:11.56 | Bradipo | The point of xargs is to make it not crap out. |
| 18:12.25 | Bradipo | xargs is supposed to split up the command line arguments into smaller chunks and thus avoid shell limits. |
| 18:16.10 | mrpull | i'm with Bradipo on this one |
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| 18:32.00 | bucky | is it snowing? |
| 18:32.04 | tensai | hmm. looks like xargs is supposed to split it up but I've never seen it try. maybe my shell max is lower than the default 20k. I'll have to try with like 4k. |
| 18:32.47 | goozbach | bucky: aparently in brigram city |
| 18:33.01 | goozbach | and sardine canyon |
| 18:33.06 | bucky | ic |
| 18:36.33 | Jayce^ | it is just up provo canyon to |
| 18:36.34 | Jayce^ | too |
| 18:36.52 | bucky | Snowbird is still open! |
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| 18:48.05 | hans | any freenx gurus? |
| 18:49.48 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: where do I set CPAN to install modules in ~/.cpan instead of /root/.cpan? It keeps wanting to install under root as my local user |
| 18:51.41 | bigdog_ut | hans, you talking about the server part? |
| 18:52.30 | Jayce^ | are you doing it as sudo? |
| 18:52.41 | hans | both |
| 18:52.45 | hans | linux on both ends |
| 18:52.45 | Jayce^ | but it's in the .pm file (stores your preferences) |
| 18:52.54 | hans | although osx on the client end would be good to know too |
| 18:53.07 | bigdog_ut | hans, nope not a guru |
| 18:53.33 | hans | I'll settle for "have done it" |
| 18:53.48 | hans | I'm rtfming but I like to stick out a lightning rod for gotchas |
| 18:53.56 | bigdog_ut | "have read about it"...i just decided to do something else |
| 18:55.36 | Jayce^ | hans, hit up torriem |
| 18:56.13 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: no - just a local user account |
| 18:56.41 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm trying to be able to install perl modules using cpan without having root access |
| 18:56.58 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll look at the pm file - thanks |
| 18:57.05 | Jayce^ | then the first run will set up your personal config file then |
| 18:57.14 | Jayce^ | if you perldoc it, should have the info |
| 18:59.33 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: yeah - I found it. I appreciate it. |
| 19:00.06 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm still getting used to not having root access to do things like that |
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| 19:25.34 | HarleyPig | I wouldn't be ... it'd be my wife. :> |
| 19:25.43 | Jayce^ | no biggie then |
| 19:26.00 | HarleyPig | I have a problem on a new install (gentoo) ... the system seems to boot fine until it tries to check the filesystem. Then I get a message stating the filesystem is not clean and then "Partition /dev/hda2 is mounted with write permissions, cannot check it." If I log in as root I can't remount the partition. I've tried both 'ro' and nothing on the end of the kernel line, as far as I can tell the partition is being mounted read only. fstab has only one oc |
| 19:26.09 | Jayce^ | first problem: gentoo |
| 19:26.25 | HarleyPig | Hey! |
| 19:26.51 | HarleyPig | actually, I don't think this a distro specific problem. Could be wrong, specially since I don't understand what's happening. |
| 19:27.30 | HarleyPig | fsck on the partitions don't show any corruption or other problems. |
| 19:27.45 | mrpull | (not distro specific... but maybe a different distro's installer would be better at avoiding problems like this?) |
| 19:28.02 | RyanE | you're assuming Gentoo has an installer... :) |
| 19:28.16 | mrpull | RyanE: you didn't let me get there yet |
| 19:28.29 | HarleyPig | mrpull: Possibly, except that gentoo doesn't install it, it provides instructions and I follow them. |
| 19:28.35 | HarleyPig | heh ... so it's a pebcak issue. :> |
| 19:28.45 | RyanE | always comes down to that. |
| 19:28.49 | HarleyPig | which I was pretty sure from the beginning. I just don't know how to fix it. :> |
| 19:28.52 | mrpull | hehehe... I didn't want to say it |
| 19:29.26 | HarleyPig | I s'pose I could do another install ... but I'd like to avoid that if at all possible. Or at least verify that this isn't a hardware issue. |
| 19:29.32 | bigdog_ut | HarleyPig, is that your root partition and what type is it? |
| 19:29.46 | HarleyPig | Yeah ... /dev/hda2 is / and it's reiser |
| 19:29.57 | mrpull | verify your fstab is in order? |
| 19:29.57 | bigdog_ut | reiser4? |
| 19:30.10 | HarleyPig | mrpull: I'm pretty sure it is. |
| 19:30.19 | HarleyPig | bigdog_ut: Ummm ... not sure ... |
| 19:30.22 | Jayce^ | reiser4? |
| 19:30.40 | mrpull | and that your kernel supports the filesystem? |
| 19:30.49 | Jayce^ | well, it is gentoo, if you're going to build everything, why not go beta everything :) |
| 19:30.53 | bigdog_ut | mrpull, that is a good one if you rolled your owne |
| 19:31.51 | HarleyPig | No, 3.6.18 (at least that's waht reiserfsck says) |
| 19:32.00 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 19:32.07 | HarleyPig | mrpull: Yes ... the kernel suports reiser. |
| 19:32.11 | dataw0lf|w | I'd definitely agree with Jayce^. |
| 19:32.20 | bigdog_ut | ~slap dataw0lf |
| 19:32.21 | ibot | ACTION slaps dataw0lf, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 19:32.21 | dataw0lf|w | The true problem lies in Gentoo. |
| 19:32.38 | HarleyPig | ? What's this anti-gentoo sentiment? |
| 19:32.53 | dataw0lf|w | not anti-gentoo, really. Just pro-smart. |
| 19:32.56 | bigdog_ut | there all ubuntu freaks |
| 19:33.01 | Jayce^ | HarleyPig, you haven't been hanging around here for a while, people grew up :) |
| 19:33.03 | dataw0lf|w | Debian freaks. |
| 19:33.08 | Jayce^ | mmmm... debian |
| 19:33.21 | HarleyPig | Oh ... well, that's all right. I'll never grow up. |
| 19:33.23 | dataw0lf|w | as a natural extension, Ubuntu. |
| 19:33.45 | bigdog_ut | until the next debian spinoff comes out |
| 19:34.07 | dataw0lf|w | Probably not, I'm getting alot of free stuff with my involvement with Ubuntu now. |
| 19:34.16 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 19:34.22 | dataw0lf|w | :) |
| 19:34.24 | bigdog_ut | the posterboy for ubuntu |
| 19:34.39 | dataw0lf|w | I'm Mr. June, that's right. |
| 19:34.57 | bigdog_ut | HarleyPig, what bootloader you using? |
| 19:35.20 | HarleyPig | grub |
| 19:35.51 | RyanE | Harley, it's normal for / to not be fsck'ed on boot. In my fstab, / is set to not fsck on boot (and I'm not on gentoo)... |
| 19:36.00 | RyanE | the last param of the / line in fstab should be 1 for / |
| 19:36.05 | RyanE | is yours 0? |
| 19:36.12 | HarleyPig | It is 0 1 |
| 19:36.26 | RyanE | hmmm. Wonder why it's trying to fsck it at all? |
| 19:36.43 | RyanE | obviously, it fails, because by then it's booting the OS off of /, and is mounted RW |
| 19:36.47 | HarleyPig | No, it's 1 1 |
| 19:37.01 | HarleyPig | options are default,ro |
| 19:37.19 | HarleyPig | I've tried noatime, no difference |
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| 19:37.36 | bigdog_ut | have this: noatime,notail |
| 19:37.54 | HarleyPig | Trying ... |
| 19:39.36 | RyanE | oops, reading man fsck tells me I've got that backwards. |
| 19:39.46 | RyanE | says 0 0 should cause it to not be dumped, not be checked. |
| 19:40.17 | HarleyPig | Right |
| 19:40.37 | RyanE | my gentoo install on the laptop has noatime 0 0 |
| 19:40.49 | HarleyPig | Hmmm.... it's loading the swap file first ... I justnoticed that ... I'll try removing the swap ile and see what that does. |
| 19:40.53 | RyanE | also reiser (3). |
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| 19:44.27 | HarleyPig | Dangit. Nope. |
| 19:44.40 | bigdog_ut | what is format is your boot part? |
| 19:45.28 | HarleyPig | reiser |
| 19:45.38 | HarleyPig | Everything is reiser |
| 19:45.48 | bigdog_ut | do you have the noatime,notail on that one |
| 19:45.59 | HarleyPig | No. |
| 19:46.24 | bigdog_ut | it might help...but since you have grub it might be okay |
| 19:47.16 | HarleyPig | root (hd0,0) refers to the partition (/boot = /dev/hda1) right? |
| 19:47.22 | HarleyPig | in the grub.conf |
| 19:47.26 | RyanE | yes |
| 19:48.25 | HarleyPig | and kernel (hd0,0)/blah blah refers to the partition (/boot = /dev/hda1) where the kernel image is, right? (again, in grub.conf) |
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| 19:50.03 | RyanE | (hd0,0) is hda1, which is the 1st partition on hda. The /blah/kernelblah after it indicates the location of the kernel, yes |
| 19:50.13 | Uncle_Jesse | How do I resume from a ctrl-z? |
| 19:50.18 | RyanE | mine says kernel (hd0,2)/boot/bzimage-2-6-9-RBE |
| 19:50.22 | RyanE | fg |
| 19:51.28 | vontrapp | *sigh* and it rains again |
| 19:51.35 | Jayce^ | wonderful rain |
| 19:51.38 | Uncle_Jesse | it's 80 degrees out here |
| 19:51.40 | RyanE | it was snowing here this morning. I much prefer rain |
| 19:51.48 | Uncle_Jesse | and sunny |
| 19:51.51 | vontrapp | where's here? |
| 19:51.55 | Uncle_Jesse | Richmond, VA |
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| 19:54.39 | vontrapp | where the snow is |
| 19:54.44 | RyanE | Highland |
| 19:54.55 | dataw0lf|w | it was snowing downtown SLC this morning. |
| 19:54.56 | dataw0lf|w | Hard. |
| 19:55.05 | RyanE | but that was this morning. It has lightened up to rain for the past 4 hours. |
| 19:55.10 | vontrapp | i saw a few cars with snow on them this morning |
| 19:55.11 | dataw0lf|w | yeah. |
| 19:56.01 | bigdog_ut | clearfield we got about 2-3 inchs |
| 19:56.16 | Jayce^ | had about 1.5 in the ranches |
| 19:56.23 | HarleyPig | Ok ... it doesn't like the swap file in the / ... |
| 19:56.33 | bigdog_ut | swap file? |
| 19:56.40 | RyanE | not using swap partition? |
| 19:56.42 | bigdog_ut | you mean the swap partition? |
| 19:56.50 | Jayce^ | you can do swap files too |
| 19:57.06 | RyanE | yeah, I know you *can*, but does anyone really do that? |
| 19:57.11 | HarleyPig | I do. :> |
| 19:57.23 | Jayce^ | kinda nice on source distros, when you need to grow the space |
| 19:57.30 | HarleyPig | I don't like swap partitions. Dunno why. |
| 19:57.47 | RyanE | Harley, from looking around, it appears that ReiserFS filesystems should be mounted with a 0 for passno, so it should be 0 0. |
| 19:58.08 | bigdog_ut | Jayce^, why not use lvm then |
| 19:58.09 | RyanE | ReiserFS partitions check themselves upon mount, so it's not needed |
| 19:58.24 | RyanE | so I'd change the fstab for your reiser partitions to 0 0 |
| 19:58.29 | Jayce^ | bigdog_ut, various reasons, especially on smaller systems |
| 19:58.33 | RyanE | that will probably eliminate your original error |
| 19:58.41 | HarleyPig | I'll try that and put the swap file back in and see what that does. |
| 19:58.49 | bigdog_ut | Jayce^, yeah i could see that when not dealing with many disks |
| 19:58.50 | Jayce^ | I had one for a while on a source box, to use in addition to the partition when necessary |
| 19:59.28 | Jayce^ | so I used the partition normally, but when compiling big stuff, turn on the file |
| 20:01.09 | bigdog_ut | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/03/msg04208.html |
| 20:01.16 | bigdog_ut | lol -> debian |
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| 20:02.00 | lukfugl | ~lart hans |
| 20:02.05 | lukfugl | ~lart vontrapp |
| 20:02.17 | hans | ~lart lukfugl |
| 20:04.31 | HarleyPig | Wierd. Ok, even with all reiser partitions set to noatime 0 0 I still can't put the swap file in fstab. I'll have to turn it on in rc. |
| 20:04.52 | hans | HarleyPig: I think you should just reformat |
| 20:04.58 | hans | or maybe get a strong magnet |
| 20:05.06 | HarleyPig | Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 20:05.29 | hans | how can you be sure it didn't migrate to a bomb shelter? |
| 20:05.56 | SpecialK | Smart Bunker penetrating nukes |
| 20:05.57 | HarleyPig | Those buggers are tough, but can they survive a nuke carpet bombing? |
| 20:06.49 | bigdog_ut | HarleyPig, how did you create your swapfile...what blocksize did you use? |
| 20:08.49 | vontrapp | how would one deal with remote files through php? (ssh maybe) |
| 20:08.55 | hans | itunes keeps crashing, has a terrible UI, doesn't support ogg out of the box, but it did do something cool |
| 20:08.56 | Uncle_Jesse | this sucks - our IT dept doesn't want to give me access to cpan in my user's home dir |
| 20:09.00 | HarleyPig | dd if=/dev/zero of=/.swap bs=1024 count=(1024*1024--whatever that is) |
| 20:09.21 | Uncle_Jesse | the thing they don't understand is I can still do the same thing with the source files - cpan just makes it easier |
| 20:09.37 | Uncle_Jesse | </rant> |
| 20:09.56 | hans | I ripped a CD when not on the net, so no CDDB data... then selected the files a day or two later and with a menu option that I don't recall the name of, it went and got all the correct tag info |
| 20:10.00 | hans | from cddb. |
| 20:10.15 | Uncle_Jesse | hans has a halo today |
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| 20:10.32 | Jayce^ | hans, I found a nice musicbrainz plugin for it too |
| 20:10.36 | Jayce^ | never had it crash though |
| 20:10.53 | hans | stupid thing crashes about 20% of the time I click on it |
| 20:10.56 | dataw0lf|w | Uncle_Jesse: they won't give a developer access to cpan? Or are you talking about a school server? |
| 20:11.12 | Jayce^ | maybe it's your ogg plugin or something |
| 20:11.17 | hans | wonder if it might be related to either the itunes dash or the ogg plugin |
| 20:11.18 | lukfugl | hans: I've never had a crash either, and use it frequently |
| 20:11.25 | hans | do you use the ogg plugin |
| 20:11.34 | bigdog_ut | HarleyPig, i wonder if reiser if flipping cause of the block size |
| 20:11.35 | lukfugl | I don't use it |
| 20:11.37 | Jayce^ | not atm, got it on my other box |
| 20:11.42 | Jayce^ | havne't put it on yet |
| 20:11.44 | hans | maybe the ogg plugin has a hard time with tiger. |
| 20:11.55 | Jayce^ | could be |
| 20:12.09 | hans | let's hear it for freezing APIs |
| 20:12.12 | HarleyPig | Hmmm ... I've been using that block size since I learned about swap files ... 5 years or so. Dunno. |
| 20:12.24 | hans | why not mkswap? |
| 20:12.43 | bigdog_ut | HarleyPig, on a reiser partition? |
| 20:12.45 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf|w: it's my company - they won't give me (the developer) access |
| 20:12.52 | dataw0lf|w | Wow. |
| 20:13.01 | dataw0lf|w | do you need a blunt object? |
| 20:13.09 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - that would be nice |
| 20:13.14 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm fighting it as we speak |
| 20:13.29 | Uncle_Jesse | they want to have "experience installing modules before they get to production" |
| 20:13.34 | dataw0lf|w | heh. |
| 20:13.40 | Uncle_Jesse | I told them they will once it is ready to be sent to production |
| 20:13.53 | dataw0lf|w | I can't say that as a system administrator I'd ever deny a developer uhm... you know.. basic tools. |
| 20:14.03 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - that's my point |
| 20:14.12 | Uncle_Jesse | I've had this fight with them for awhile |
| 20:14.36 | dataw0lf|w | Out of curiousity, where do you work? |
| 20:14.39 | Uncle_Jesse | I may get to have my revision control finally though |
| 20:14.46 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf|w: Media General in Richmond, VA |
| 20:15.12 | goozbach | "that's the problem with lazy genius... it never gets around to being appreciated." -- something positive |
| 20:15.58 | levi-laptop | Heh, don't get me started reading something positive again. |
| 20:16.00 | Uncle_Jesse | It's actually a very pro-Linux shop, but very bearocratic too |
| 20:16.02 | HarleyPig | hans: :/ learnt about dd before mkswap. |
| 20:16.08 | HarleyPig | Oh ... no. |
| 20:16.19 | Uncle_Jesse | and the IT guys are just starting to learn Linux |
| 20:16.27 | HarleyPig | sorry ... make the file first, then format it to swap. |
| 20:16.43 | HarleyPig | So, you have to have a file, then use mkswap. |
| 20:16.43 | levi-laptop | Man, I'm really sick of C. |
| 20:16.54 | HarleyPig | unless later versions of mkswap will make the file for you. |
| 20:16.58 | hans | oh, I didn't get that it's a file |
| 20:17.02 | hans | why not a partition? |
| 20:17.29 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 20:17.53 | HarleyPig | Seems like a waste to me (it's totally illogical, I know) to have a partition dedicated to swap when you can resize your swap as needed. |
| 20:17.57 | RyanE | I fear we'll come back to the 'why not a partition?' question a few more times... |
| 20:18.05 | HarleyPig | :] probably. |
| 20:18.12 | bigdog_ut | :( |
| 20:18.40 | RyanE | Harley: Man for mkswap says that yes, you create the file first, then run mkswap. |
| 20:19.49 | mrpull | what if you swap file become fragmented ala windows? |
| 20:20.22 | mrpull | and what is a gig on today's drives anyway? |
| 20:20.27 | mrpull | i vote for a partition :) |
| 20:20.41 | hans | HarleyPig: I agree with you, hypothetically |
| 20:20.57 | hans | but if it gave me grief I'd just go with what works |
| 20:21.49 | hans | besides you can always convert your swap partition to an encrypted filesystem later to save your sensitive stuff on |
| 20:22.03 | hans | or you could use lvm. probably no less effort than getting the file to work though. |
| 20:22.18 | vontrapp | i need to get the most recent file in a directory (by mtime) and it's stats in php and not on the same server, any ideas? |
| 20:22.23 | lukfugl | levi-laptop: why so? (sick of C) |
| 20:22.36 | lukfugl | oh wait, it's levi :) I'd be sick of C if I were levi as well |
| 20:22.46 | hans | vontrapp: find with printf and sort? |
| 20:23.03 | hans | or perhaps ls, cut, and sort |
| 20:24.11 | hans | or did you mean the file and the webserver with php are separate? |
| 20:24.13 | bigdog_ut | HarleyPig, try setting the block size of your swap to your reiser one |
| 20:25.08 | vontrapp | yes, the files are on a seperate server, but i guess the ls/cut/sort/splice/spleen/squeeze/printf/sort stuff will work over ssh with some keys |
| 20:25.56 | hans | or if that's overkill, maybe set up an rsync server and sync the files over (if they're small) |
| 20:26.28 | levi-laptop | I just finished debugging a hairy function to delete items from a linked list of linked lists. |
| 20:26.33 | vontrapp | not small |
| 20:27.00 | levi-laptop | I hate having to do crap like that. |
| 20:27.37 | RyanE | funny... That's why I *love* C. |
| 20:28.06 | hans | you like reinventing the wheel? |
| 20:28.41 | hans | or you like that kind of stuff? I have the same problem - I like doing some things that I can't justify doing except as an academic excercise because it would be reinventing the wheel. |
| 20:29.22 | levi-laptop | Implementing a linked list of linked lists is not a terribly interesting academic exercise, it's just tedious and ugly. |
| 20:31.06 | RyanE | go figure. I like bit-flipping. |
| 20:31.23 | RyanE | I also like getting stuff done. Yes, they're polar opposites. |
| 20:31.39 | levi-laptop | You're mad, obviously. |
| 20:31.43 | hans | mmm, network programming |
| 20:33.25 | levi-laptop | If C had some decent abstraction features and perhaps an extended standard library, I might not hate it so much. |
| 20:33.40 | levi-laptop | No... then it would be C++, and I'd still hate it. |
| 20:34.08 | levi-laptop | Nevermind that, then. |
| 20:35.21 | RyanE | and memory management, and ... and ... |
| 20:36.40 | levi-laptop | Well, if I add all the features I want, I end up back at lisp. |
| 20:37.13 | bucky | levi-laptop, java class tonight? |
| 20:37.33 | levi-laptop | No, tonight is my database theory class. |
| 20:37.34 | bucky | i feel the vibes coming :P |
| 20:37.45 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 20:38.44 | vontrapp | ~lart diet sodas |
| 20:38.54 | hans | lol |
| 20:38.58 | vontrapp | fitting |
| 20:39.00 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart diet anything |
| 20:39.03 | bigdog_ut | very fitting |
| 20:39.24 | bigdog_ut | that was probably the best lart if have seen |
| 20:40.21 | Jayce^ | very good |
| 20:40.33 | vontrapp | i need more techno music |
| 20:40.33 | RyanE | hehe |
| 20:41.14 | Jayce^ | don't we all |
| 20:41.20 | Uncle_Jesse | you can never have enough techno |
| 20:41.53 | Uncle_Jesse | techno must be a geek thing |
| 20:42.37 | lukfugl | prime example :) |
| 20:42.51 | lukfugl | (extended mix) |
| 20:42.58 | Uncle_Jesse | PSB's remix albums are the best |
| 20:43.07 | Jayce^ | razormaid |
| 20:43.25 | hans | bach organ music |
| 20:43.26 | Uncle_Jesse | I had a roommate once with a subscription to razormaid - he had the coolest music |
| 20:43.38 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: techno bach organ music |
| 20:43.51 | hans | someday |
| 20:43.52 | lukfugl | "don't want a cat scratching its claws all over my habitat, giving no love and getting fat. Ahh, you can get lonely, and a cat's no help with that..." |
| 20:43.52 | Uncle_Jesse | razormaid's version of o fortuna |
| 20:44.12 | hans | I'm going to do some synth bach organ music. at least an album's worth |
| 20:44.51 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: will it have a beat? |
| 20:45.08 | Uncle_Jesse | and samples added in? |
| 20:45.10 | bigdog_ut | so HarleyPig where you at with the problem? |
| 20:45.16 | bucky | Bach married his cousin |
| 20:45.38 | bigdog_ut | if jlo was my cousin, i would be married |
| 20:45.42 | Uncle_Jesse | I married my 3rd cousin, once removed |
| 20:46.01 | Uncle_Jesse | we found out a month or two before we were married |
| 20:46.19 | vontrapp | sure, the famous person always gets the bad wrap |
| 20:46.31 | bucky | Bach was employed by Calvinists |
| 20:46.36 | vontrapp | what about bach's cousin married him, eh? |
| 20:47.21 | hans | did anyone care? |
| 20:47.42 | bucky | and composed church music |
| 20:47.51 | bigdog_ut | composed techno |
| 20:48.08 | Uncle_Jesse | darn BYU genealogy classes - they reveal more than you want to know |
| 20:48.10 | hans | yeah, those composers had a bad habit of composing church music back then |
| 20:48.26 | bucky | until the Baroque era went broke |
| 20:48.27 | JoshH | lol Uncle_Jesse |
| 20:49.17 | bucky | well "the church" of the time was the only employer for artists |
| 20:50.36 | Uncle_Jesse | I convinced IT to let me use cpan |
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| 20:51.04 | Uncle_Jesse | this has been going on for about a month+ now |
| 20:51.05 | goozbach | ~lart unintentional plagirism |
| 20:52.28 | hans | goozbach: did you plagiarize bach on accident? |
| 20:53.12 | vontrapp | ehc, i can't even finish this stupid diet stuff |
| 20:54.05 | vontrapp | i don't understand the whole diet thing |
| 20:54.27 | lukfugl | ~poke von |
| 20:54.28 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, lukfugl? |
| 20:54.31 | vontrapp | i mean, if you're concerned about your diet, then drink water |
| 20:54.37 | lukfugl | why you drinking diet? |
| 20:54.45 | vontrapp | cause it's what was available |
| 20:55.32 | goozbach | hans: I just realized that the chapter I wrote a few paragraphs mostly verbatim subconconisly |
| 20:56.22 | Uncle_Jesse | technically, if used in an academic environment, you can copy copyrighted material under fair use policy |
| 20:56.30 | Uncle_Jesse | unless the school forbids it |
| 20:56.34 | Uncle_Jesse | :-( |
| 20:57.44 | Uncle_Jesse | That's why I wonder if the RIAA going after students downloading illegal mp3s will hold if it actually went through court |
| 21:00.14 | levi-laptop | Academically, you can copy things but you have to correctly cite them. |
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| 21:00.54 | vontrapp | ~lart xbmodder |
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| 21:05.54 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: are you sure that's law? |
| 21:06.20 | Uncle_Jesse | I'll have to re-look it up in my legal book from the law class I took |
| 21:06.27 | levi-laptop | I don't know, but it's plagiarism if you don't. |
| 21:06.54 | levi-laptop | Which is why I said 'academically' instead of 'legally'. |
| 21:07.24 | Uncle_Jesse | levi-laptop: I think that's just the school's policy |
| 21:07.43 | hans | plagiarism isn't a policy, but a practice |
| 21:08.09 | goozbach | fair use doesn't cover stuff you're claming is original |
| 21:08.16 | goozbach | which is my problem |
| 21:08.22 | hans | what you do with plagiarizers is policy |
| 21:09.53 | levi-laptop | Plagiarism is pretty widely accepted in the academic community as a Bad Thing. |
| 21:09.57 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: it still keeps you from profiting from it |
| 21:10.28 | mheath | Lars-UT, you available? |
| 21:12.03 | tensai_ | Uncle_Jesse: that's a fallacy. fair use is a lot more limited than non-lawyers on /. would have you believe. being used for education is *not* a blanket excuse for copyright infringement. |
| 21:12.59 | bucky | hello, I work for the government... I'm here to help |
| 21:13.59 | bucky | ~lart /. lawyers |
| 21:14.18 | tensai_ | not that I'm a lawyer either, of course |
| 21:14.30 | bucky | hehe |
| 21:14.47 | tensai_ | but I don't read /. anymore so I'm one step up |
| 21:15.04 | bucky | ~news slashdot |
| 21:15.55 | bucky | ~news slashdot.org |
| 21:15.55 | tene | ~slashdot |
| 21:15.55 | bucky | okies, tnx |
| 21:16.42 | levi-laptop | Yow, I just opened a zillion GraphViz windows. |
| 21:17.07 | bucky | scandalous !! |
| 21:18.00 | bucky | Driver's-Seat Driving Game Controller? is that for when you're talking on your cell phone and eating lunch ? |
| 21:18.20 | bucky | to get that last frag session in before getting back to the office in time? |
| 21:18.21 | levi-laptop | bucky: It's for making a driving simulator out of a dead car. |
| 21:18.51 | levi-laptop | hans: If you haven't seen the OS X port of GraphViz, you must check it out. |
| 21:18.57 | bucky | i want to do that with a nascar simulator |
| 21:19.20 | hans | what of it? |
| 21:19.21 | tene | so... anyone happen to know how well supported belkin wifi cards are under linux? |
| 21:19.26 | Jayce^ | levi-laptop, link? |
| 21:19.49 | bucky | tene get a prism based card IMHO |
| 21:20.15 | levi-laptop | http://www.pixelglow.com/graphviz |
| 21:20.43 | Jayce^ | screenshot looks very cool |
| 21:21.36 | Newsome | yes, GraphViz is very handy |
| 21:22.32 | bucky | tene http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/Client_5fAdapters_5f802_5f11b |
| 21:23.09 | hans | tene: and if you're looking for one (pcmcia) I have one for sale. proven to work excellently in linux |
| 21:23.25 | bucky | hans orinoco ? |
| 21:23.28 | tene | I just saw some on clearance somewhere for $10 |
| 21:23.34 | hans | prism54 |
| 21:23.45 | tene | is why I was asking. |
| 21:24.03 | tene | What do you want for it, hans? |
| 21:24.06 | bucky | tene get the one from hansy |
| 21:24.10 | hans | 25 |
| 21:24.17 | bucky | that's a good deal |
| 21:24.30 | tene | 'kay, sounds good. |
| 21:24.49 | hans | i'm gonna miss it, but I don't have a laptop with pcmcia |
| 21:25.01 | hans | it's nice to know you've got one, y'know? |
| 21:25.06 | tene | nodnod |
| 21:25.10 | bucky | ~cry |
| 21:25.16 | ibot | ACTION cries and sobs until he nearly drownds in his own tears |
| 21:25.17 | hans | but now I've got a usb 802.11b card that works ok in linux |
| 21:25.31 | tene | where are you at, hans? |
| 21:25.34 | hans | provo |
| 21:25.47 | tene | I should be out there tomorrow. |
| 21:26.12 | bucky | drownds ? |
| 21:28.00 | Lars-UT | ~news http://www.springville.org/about/news/feed/rss2/ |
| 21:28.14 | hans | ~rss http://www.springville.org/about/news/feed/rss2/ |
| 21:28.19 | Lars-UT | thx |
| 21:30.03 | bucky | ~crash |
| 21:30.07 | ibot | if you have apps that just can't help but keep shooting themselves in the head, and causing you to lose unsaved data, have a look through /proc/kcore and you might be able to salvage some of the lost data: 'cat /proc/kcore | strings > kcore-file' then 'less kcore-file' works great with netscape that always likes to crash in the middle of typing in forms ... |
| 21:30.21 | Lars-UT | ~segfault |
| 21:30.26 | ibot | well, segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 21:30.33 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 21:30.35 | bucky | ~pi |
| 21:30.37 | ibot | rumour has it, pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 21:30.41 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 21:32.02 | goozbach | heh |
| 21:33.46 | Lars-UT | ~bofh |
| 21:33.47 | ibot | well, bofh is Bastard Operator From Hell - see http://www.theregister.co.uk/odds/bofh/ |
| 21:33.53 | Lars-UT | wow |
| 21:36.21 | levi-laptop | Sweet, I can use this to draw my ER diagrams. |
| 21:36.32 | vontrapp | hows the connexant chipset for tv tuner cards under linux? |
| 21:40.51 | spr | what brand of card? |
| 21:41.17 | spr | connexant should be fine |
| 21:44.04 | levi-laptop | Yow, lots of rain. |
| 21:44.26 | tapH20guru | ~connexant |
| 21:44.55 | tapH20guru | ~linux |
| 21:44.56 | ibot | i guess linux is a cool operating system. http://www.linux.org |
| 21:47.00 | tene | ~taco |
| 21:47.01 | ibot | TACO TACO TACO! |
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| 21:49.43 | vontrapp | what about a phillips 7130? |
| 21:50.45 | lukfugl | ~taquito |
| 21:50.46 | ibot | hmm... taquito is I love them little taquitos, I love them good! |
| 21:51.06 | vontrapp | lol |
| 21:51.50 | tene | ~zim |
| 21:51.52 | ibot | A perl/tk instant-messenger client wrapper for the Zephyr Notification Service. URL: http://www.duke.edu/~gac3/zim.html |
| 21:51.58 | tene | ~gir |
| 21:52.00 | ibot | somebody said gir was a very spiffy robot from Invader Zim. Perhaps you meant 'emulate gir'. |
| 21:52.15 | vontrapp | ~emulate gir |
| 21:52.16 | ibot | my walnuts! |
| 21:52.21 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 21:52.24 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 21:52.26 | lukfugl | ~taquito |
| 21:52.29 | ibot | ACTION loves them little taquitos, he loves them good! |
| 21:52.31 | tene | ~dib |
| 21:52.34 | ibot | i heard dib is (Dual Independent Bus) This is the bus architecture between Intel's Pentium II processor, memory, and L2 cache. One bus connects the processor to L2 cache and a second connects the processor to main memory. Having two buses instead of one increases performance over single-bus architectures. In addition the speed of the external L2 cache can scale up ... |
| 21:52.36 | lukfugl | that's better |
| 21:52.47 | tene | ~emulate gir |
| 21:52.48 | ibot | aww, my bees... |
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| 21:53.12 | vontrapp | ~emulate gir |
| 21:53.14 | ibot | you SHALL not pass! .. he went that way. |
| 21:53.22 | lukfugl | rofl |
| 21:54.08 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 21:54.20 | Lars-UT | ~doom |
| 21:54.21 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, doom is prboom at http://www.gnurou.org/software/zaurus/ |
| 21:54.41 | tene | ~doom song |
| 21:56.26 | Lars-UT | How do we assign a variable to ibot?, i.e. doom song = Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom.... ? |
| 21:57.04 | tene | ~lars |
| 21:57.05 | ibot | larsl@users.sourceforge.net |
| 21:57.19 | tene | ~desk |
| 21:57.39 | vontrapp | ~doom song is <action> sings "Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom ...." |
| 21:57.41 | ibot | okay, vontrapp |
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| 21:58.07 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 21:58.34 | vontrapp | Hhhhh: it always sounds like hhhhhhhello to me :) |
| 21:58.44 | Hhhhh | heh |
| 21:59.05 | Lars-UT | ~doom song |
| 21:59.06 | ibot | ACTION sings "Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom ...." |
| 21:59.17 | Hhhhh | ~doom song |
| 21:59.18 | ibot | ACTION sings "Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom ...." |
| 21:59.22 | Hhhhh | ha |
| 21:59.44 | vontrapp | ~no doom song is <reply> "Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom ...." |
| 21:59.47 | ibot | okay, vontrapp |
| 21:59.54 | vontrapp | ~doom song |
| 21:59.55 | ibot | "Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom ...." |
| 21:59.56 | tene | ~emulate gir |
| 21:59.59 | ibot | yay! |
| 22:00.05 | tene | ~literal emulate gir |
| 22:00.07 | ibot | "emulate gir" is "<reply>where's my moose?||<reply>must obey the taco man!||<reply>dooom doooom doom||<reply>i need tacos! i need tacos or i'll explode. that happens to me sometimes.||<reply>you SHALL not pass! .. he went that way.||<reply>to make room for the TUNA!||<reply>yay!||<reply>do a little dance!||<reply>my walnuts!||<reply>aww, my bees..." |
| 22:00.22 | Hhhhh | lol |
| 22:00.26 | vontrapp | rofl |
| 22:00.54 | Hhhhh | yea, we must obey the taco man |
| 22:00.56 | lukfugl | hmm, so that's how you do multiple choices :) |
| 22:01.05 | lukfugl | do a little dance! |
| 22:01.21 | lukfugl | ~emulate gir |
| 22:01.22 | ibot | aww, my bees... |
| 22:01.40 | lukfugl | ~emulate gir |
| 22:01.42 | ibot | aww, my bees... |
| 22:01.53 | lukfugl | especially likes bees, it seems |
| 22:02.05 | tene | ~bees |
| 22:02.07 | tene | ~bee |
| 22:02.10 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, bee is soon going to be converted to a Linux chick by Jenson whether she likes it or not |
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| 22:04.41 | vontrapp | "but i'm especially sensitive to bees" |
| 22:05.33 | Hhhhh | anybody here has a computer with the nForce 4 SLI chipset? |
| 22:06.44 | vontrapp | nope, nforce3 |
| 22:07.02 | Hhhhh | hmm, vontrapp, did you install the latest nVidia nForce drivers? |
| 22:07.09 | Hhhhh | especially the sound driver? |
| 22:07.22 | Lars-UT | " Okay, GIR! Our mission starts now! Let us reign some doom down upon the filthy heads of our doomed enemies!" |
| 22:07.31 | Hhhhh | I got the network driver working fine |
| 22:07.37 | Hhhhh | but the sound one works weird |
| 22:07.45 | vontrapp | i have 1.0-0283 |
| 22:09.12 | tensai_ | I want some taquitos! |
| 22:10.51 | vontrapp | ~no, "emulate gir" is "<reply>where's my moose?||<reply>must obey the taco man!||<reply>dooom doooom doom||<reply>i need tacos! i need tacos or i'll explode. that happens to me sometimes.||<reply>you SHALL not pass! .. he went that way.||<reply>to make room for the TUNA!||<reply>yay!||<reply>do a little dance!||<reply>my walnuts!||<reply>aww, my bees...||<reply>Wheeeeee hoo hoo hoo! Wheeeeeeee hoo hoo hoo!" |
| 22:12.07 | Lars-UT | aww man |
| 22:12.24 | vontrapp | ibot? |
| 22:12.43 | Lars-UT | yup |
| 22:13.12 | vontrapp | maybe just taking a long time to parse that... |
| 22:13.26 | Lars-UT | ok |
| 22:15.50 | Lars-UT | ~literal emulate gir |
| 22:15.51 | ibot | "emulate gir" is "<reply>where's my moose?||<reply>must obey the taco man!||<reply>dooom doooom doom||<reply>i need tacos! i need tacos or i'll explode. that happens to me sometimes.||<reply>you SHALL not pass! .. he went that way.||<reply>to make room for the TUNA!||<reply>yay!||<reply>do a little dance!||<reply>my walnuts!||<reply>aww, my bees..." |
| 22:16.48 | Hhhhh | http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/55463 <= discrimination against Mormons, anyone? |
| 22:18.23 | dataw0lf|w | poetic justice? |
| 22:24.43 | vontrapp | need to be careful when pointing the discrimination finger, looks more like he just doesn't fit the policy |
| 22:25.16 | vontrapp | that's more akin to someone saying we discriminate when we don't let a catholic into the temple |
| 22:25.45 | vontrapp | just MHO |
| 22:26.14 | vontrapp | tapH20guru: haha, good ol' turbo buttons |
| 22:26.37 | dataw0lf|w | I was just discussing ye old turbo buttons with xilch and synic at lunch. |
| 22:26.41 | dataw0lf|w | They were awesome. |
| 22:32.03 | tapH20guru | i really like them when it cames to the old games |
| 22:32.27 | tapH20guru | sometime you had to slow it down to 8MHz or the game would spaz out |
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| 23:10.53 | brandon | jayce: where/when will people be showing up, and where/when should I be downstairs to setup? |
| 23:11.18 | Jayce^ | well, some of us will be there 6:30 for the PM meeting |
| 23:11.24 | Jayce^ | so anything from there on |
| 23:11.34 | brandon | which room? |
| 23:11.37 | Jayce^ | just go to the main doors |
| 23:11.47 | Jayce^ | not sure, they are moving us to a larger room upstairs |
| 23:11.58 | Jayce^ | so the ViaWest guy will show me when I get there |
| 23:12.09 | Jayce^ | the security guy will know if you go early |
| 23:13.24 | brandon | who's the via west guy? |
| 23:13.45 | brandon | jayce: I'm actually back at Vintela, so I'm in the building already.. just need to know where.. |
| 23:14.29 | Jayce^ | Todd Hallstrom is our 'babysitter' tonight, so him, or Chris Kenney (the boss) |
| 23:14.45 | Jayce^ | I know it's one of the larger rooms on the second floor |
| 23:14.59 | brandon | Datadirect's place then I'd bet? |
| 23:15.13 | brandon | direct something.. |
| 23:15.18 | Jayce^ | possibly |
| 23:15.50 | Jayce^ | ViaWest is letting us use their projector too, since it doesn't have the crappy built-in one :) |
| 23:16.02 | brandon | ;) |
| 23:16.13 | Jayce^ | if that doesn't work, maybe we'll drive down and steal Mecworks' projector :) |
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| 23:18.07 | Jayce^ | I'll be there a bit early.. just after I decide on what to get for dinner |
| 23:18.20 | javert42 | Is anyone here running Dovecot on RHEL 4? |
| 23:18.20 | Jayce^ | anybody else eating out before PLUG/NUPM meetings? |
| 23:18.37 | brandon | I will be, |
| 23:18.45 | brandon | but it may just be dell taco up the street |
| 23:18.58 | Jayce^ | yeah, I gotta keep it pretty cheap too. |
| 23:19.06 | Jayce^ | just trying to decide on what I want :) |
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| 23:57.22 | Lars-UT | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 23:57.23 | ibot | So, young man, now you see that there's a price to pay for eating paste. Would you say that loosing the use of your mouth was worth it? |
| 23:58.23 | Lars-UT | ~emulate Ms Bitters |
| 23:58.26 | ibot | There's a pigeon on your head! You've got head pigeons! Get to the nurse before they spread to the other children! |