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| 00:26.38 | bucky | ~8ball do you work? |
| 00:26.40 | ibot | I'm not sure. |
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| 01:04.52 | Maquis | ~8ball what should i ask? |
| 01:04.53 | ibot | I'm not sure. |
| 01:05.13 | Maquis | ibot: i don't care who said what 8 seconds ago |
| 01:40.16 | bucky | ~8ball what should i ask? |
| 01:40.17 | ibot | I'm not sure. |
| 01:40.57 | bucky | ~bofhsmite me |
| 01:41.18 | bucky | ~hanssmite me |
| 01:41.33 | bucky | ~seen sjansen |
| 01:41.43 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 10d 2h 29m 10s ago, saying: 'Any sysadmin/distro with a modicum of common sense would never put it anywher else for that very reason.'. |
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| 03:37.07 | LeviLaptop | Good evening. |
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| 04:21.44 | Maquis | grrrrrr |
| 04:21.49 | Maquis | ~lart wireless on linux |
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| 04:39.17 | LeviLaptop | What's wrong with wireless on linux? |
| 04:39.36 | Maquis | i've been working all day to get this card working |
| 04:44.00 | LeviLaptop | Hrm. |
| 04:44.06 | LeviLaptop | That's unfortunate. |
| 04:47.14 | LeviLaptop | I'm trying to make an rss feed for my lisp blog. I've almost got it working, but the feed doesn't seem to be correct. |
| 04:48.09 | LeviLaptop | No, wait, it does work! Woo. :) |
| 04:49.03 | LeviLaptop | Well, almost. |
| 04:49.30 | LeviLaptop | Apparently I need to munge my entries so links in them work properly. |
| 05:07.15 | LeviLaptop | Yay, that works now, too. :) |
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| 05:26.19 | LeviLaptop | Still not working? |
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| 05:29.42 | Maquis | yeah |
| 05:29.58 | Maquis | not sure why |
| 05:30.22 | Maquis | i've gone through the how-to on the gentoo forums, and 3 or 4 other how-tos |
| 05:31.12 | Maquis | technically, the orinoco_cs driver from the kernel should work |
| 05:34.30 | Maquis | i think that it's trying to use ndiswrapper when i stick the card in |
| 05:35.00 | Maquis | but i've tried rmmodding ndiswrapper before sticking the card in, and it's still not doing anything |
| 05:35.07 | Maquis | it doesn't even recognize the card when i put it in |
| 05:35.19 | LeviLaptop | Hrm. |
| 05:36.25 | LeviLaptop | I like that wireless on my Mac just works. |
| 05:36.44 | Maquis | what could be preventing it from seeing what modules to load? |
| 05:36.50 | LeviLaptop | Which leaves me free to do fun stuff, like adding rss to my blog. |
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| 05:37.36 | LeviLaptop | Well, either there's some sort of id that's not mapped, or the drivers attempt to load and fail. |
| 05:38.03 | Maquis | yeah... but i'm still not all that fond of how OSX does thin |
| 05:38.05 | Maquis | gs |
| 05:38.27 | Maquis | i can manually load the modules, but that doesn't resolve things |
| 05:40.27 | LeviLaptop | Why don't you like how OS X does things? |
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| 05:43.48 | Maquis | LeviLaptop: seems like it's a bit too much hand-holding and such... |
| 05:44.27 | LeviLaptop | OS X tries to simplify things, which is different from hand-holding. |
| 05:44.57 | LeviLaptop | Is there anything specific that bothered you? |
| 05:46.02 | Maquis | i think it's primarily the GUI... and the fact that the filesystem is somewhat wacky and such.... i was trying to do something on my parents' computers, and even with the terminal, i couldn't find some of the things i needed |
| 05:46.43 | LeviLaptop | Well, 'wacky' and 'different than standard Unix' are two entirely different things. |
| 05:46.56 | LeviLaptop | The OS X filesystem layout is in some ways more sane. |
| 05:47.07 | Maquis | ok.... i suppose i was defining "wacky" as "different from what i'm used to" |
| 05:47.07 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:47.15 | LeviLaptop | What were you trying to do? |
| 05:47.24 | Maquis | i don't remember |
| 05:47.34 | Maquis | changing some setting or another... |
| 05:47.42 | LeviLaptop | I find that it's best to approach a different system as a different system. |
| 05:48.08 | Maquis | my mom was having some sort of trouble with her ibook, and so i was trying to find the way to fix it... |
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| 05:50.01 | LeviLaptop | Sometimes things do go wrong, but it's not really any more opaque than Linux gui systems are. You just have to be a little more familiar with the system. |
| 05:50.10 | Maquis | i ended up finding the solution in the gui options... but i was slightly miffed that i couldn't get it with the terminal... |
| 05:50.16 | Maquis | yeah |
| 05:50.38 | LeviLaptop | Most of the configuration options are in the netinfo db or xml files somewhere. |
| 05:52.26 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:52.44 | sjk36 | (: |
| 05:53.06 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 05:53.15 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 05:53.49 | LeviLaptop | There are some nifty utilities that make getting around in the OS X gui via the keyboard pretty darn fast. |
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| 05:54.34 | SpecialK | The tux doll hugs back, and wonders what his lart is about |
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| 05:55.03 | SpecialK | ~rmlart gives $who a good seeing to |
| 05:57.34 | Maquis | SpecialK: that only works with brigham |
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| 06:00.51 | colera | part |
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| 06:05.48 | Maquis | hello colera |
| 06:07.24 | LeviLaptop | Silly bots. |
| 06:07.39 | Maquis | is colera a bot? |
| 06:09.03 | LeviLaptop | No, but you were messing with the bots a moment ago. |
| 06:09.25 | tensai | Maquis: I thought you were the bot and brigham was the person |
| 06:11.02 | Maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 06:13.23 | tensai | see, she's set up to lart you if you make an insightful comment |
| 06:14.34 | Maquis | bye colera |
| 06:15.03 | tensai | hello scabies |
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| 06:21.14 | colera | lala |
| 06:21.19 | colera | anyone home? |
| 06:21.26 | Maquis | hi colera |
| 06:21.27 | Maquis | welcome back |
| 06:21.28 | colera | i think i am sick cause i am way tired |
| 06:21.41 | colera | and my eyes are achy |
| 06:21.54 | colera | i should take some vitamins |
| 06:22.04 | Maquis | do you have cholera? |
| 06:22.04 | tensai | could just be that it's 12:21 and you should be in bed |
| 06:22.06 | colera | so guess what kind of system i am runing and what OS |
| 06:22.34 | tensai | CP/M on Sparc |
| 06:22.39 | colera | Maquis perhaps i do |
| 06:22.49 | colera | no a 486 with rehat 6.2 |
| 06:22.51 | colera | heh |
| 06:22.59 | colera | fun huh! |
| 06:23.59 | colera | woah random my hd is going crazy and im not doing anything, i'm not even running x |
| 06:24.05 | SpecialK | Do they have patches for such legacy systems |
| 06:24.27 | colera | umm yeah they have patches archived for redaht 6.* but nothing new |
| 06:24.39 | colera | this box is terribly insecure |
| 06:24.41 | colera | : ) |
| 06:24.47 | colera | horribly so |
| 06:25.00 | colera | i could get root out of this thing remotely in a jiff |
| 06:25.56 | SpecialK | \whois colera |
| 06:26.08 | SpecialK | whoops, forward slash there ;) |
| 06:27.19 | colera | actually it's behind my firewall which isn't so insecure but if it were directlly connected |
| 06:28.05 | colera | SpecialK you in i-town? must be a bunch of y students that frequent this channel? |
| 06:28.37 | LeviLaptop | i-town? |
| 06:28.42 | colera | erhh |
| 06:28.42 | colera | lol |
| 06:28.44 | colera | sorry |
| 06:28.47 | colera | p-town |
| 06:28.55 | LeviLaptop | Provo? |
| 06:29.01 | colera | yeah |
| 06:29.11 | LeviLaptop | Ahh, okay. |
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| 06:29.12 | colera | i'm from ithaca NY we call ithaca i-town |
| 06:29.23 | LeviLaptop | You didn't ask me, but I'm not in 'p-town'. |
| 06:29.38 | Hhhhh | colera: you attending Cornell? |
| 06:29.54 | colera | i stayed the summer |
| 06:29.57 | colera | ughh |
| 06:29.58 | colera | : ( |
| 06:30.03 | colera | too much school for me |
| 06:30.20 | colera | but i guess it'll payoff |
| 06:30.23 | colera | graduate faster |
| 06:30.29 | Hhhhh | where at? |
| 06:30.31 | colera | the Y |
| 06:30.37 | Hhhhh | oh, hehe |
| 06:30.42 | Hhhhh | what are you studying? |
| 06:30.48 | LeviLaptop | Graduating faster is good. |
| 06:30.56 | colera | Hhhhh i wish i don't have the money |
| 06:31.01 | Hhhhh | oh, ok |
| 06:31.20 | LeviLaptop | I wish I had done the 'graduate faster' thing. |
| 06:31.30 | colera | 3,500 is alot less than 23,000 |
| 06:33.06 | colera | EE |
| 06:33.27 | colera | well Comp E actually |
| 06:34.19 | SpecialK | I'm CpE |
| 06:34.50 | colera | oh yeah |
| 06:34.55 | colera | how far into the prog are you? |
| 06:35.18 | SpecialK | Just finished 380 and ready to take 400 levels in the Fall |
| 06:35.40 | colera | i heard 380 is a beast |
| 06:35.59 | SpecialK | Yes and no. |
| 06:40.28 | colera | night all |
| 06:40.41 | LeviLaptop | I'm going to bed, too. |
| 06:40.59 | Maquis | gnight to those of you going to bed... |
| 06:41.10 | Maquis | and busy watching stargate... |
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| 07:07.10 | Newsome | Maquis: was a repeat. You' |
| 07:07.21 | Newsome | 'll have to wait until July 15th for some new stuff |
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| 08:19.31 | xbmodder | hey all! |
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| 15:07.06 | bonez39 | how does one find a document file with a specific string in the name of the file? I thought I had saved some documents in one folder, but now find they are not there..but elsewhere.. |
| 15:07.16 | bonez39 | how do I search for them by a string in their name? |
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| 15:11.27 | bbeattie | I'm trying to help a friend improve his small companies situation... Right now he manually enters shipping orders to get labels to print. I'm fairly sure others here have worked with this before. Is there a perl/php/python script that will take a CSV dump and help to print labels in any way? Is it a good idea to replace his obviously lacking shopping cart? How about Paypal's services? He needs to ship USPS and either UPS or Fedex |
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| 15:42.16 | mheath | bonez39, use 'find'? |
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| 15:53.31 | bbeattie | .. I'll idle for a while if anyone comes back and can help. :) |
| 15:54.42 | mheath | "CSV dump"? I'm not familiar with "CSV". (Appologies if I'm ignorant...) |
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| 16:04.07 | Mecworks | mheath, Comma Seperated Value |
| 16:04.32 | mheath | Ah. That should be easy to script yourself |
| 16:04.57 | Mecworks | yup |
| 16:05.38 | mheath | I'm hoping to get the first release of DeskOS up by a week from today |
| 16:06.05 | mheath | Very limited, but will contain the package manager and auto updater so you should be able to take this release and update to anything in the near future |
| 16:14.02 | Mecworks | cool |
| 16:14.16 | Mecworks | is there a site for DeskOS? |
| 16:15.00 | mheath | deskos.sunsite.dk (going to change to deskos.dotsrc.org soon, I think, sunsite.dk is getting renamed) |
| 16:15.11 | mheath | Not much (anything?) on there right now |
| 16:15.21 | Mecworks | hm |
| 16:16.36 | Mecworks | The requested URL /docs/core-features.txt was not found on this server. |
| 16:16.43 | mheath | Which reminds me, I really need to get the Core Features docs uploaded |
| 16:16.44 | mheath | haha, yea |
| 16:16.44 | Mecworks | its the only link on the page... |
| 16:16.52 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 16:16.56 | mheath | Theres another URL mentioned |
| 16:17.05 | mheath | Not much there, yet, though. Should be a lot more there later tonight. |
| 16:17.22 | Mecworks | cool |
| 16:17.34 | mheath | Mecworks, let me finish the core-features.txt doc and get it uploaded |
| 16:17.41 | mheath | I got sidetracked when I was working on that yesterday |
| 16:17.51 | Mecworks | cool. I'm off to do some errands for a while. |
| 16:17.59 | Mecworks | I'll take a look later |
| 16:19.07 | bonez39 | mheath: I went to read the find manpage....it's long and my eyesight it poor....tired eyes...I need to find a 'find tutorial' to be able to use it |
| 16:19.41 | mheath | http://www.athabascau.ca/html/depts/compserv/webunit/HOWTO/find.htm |
| 16:21.05 | mheath | searching from the current directory: |
| 16:21.20 | mheath | find . -name "*querystring*" -print |
| 16:37.49 | mheath | Mecworks, got that online now (if you aren't gone yet) |
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| 17:39.48 | xbmodder | Hey mheath how are you? |
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| 17:46.11 | xbmodder | ~lart SpecialK |
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| 18:02.01 | hans | levi: wx appears promising as a toolkit - native widgets |
| 18:02.10 | hans | but it's proving to be a bear to get on (maybe it's a tiger thing) |
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| 20:14.35 | LeviHome | hans: I have rss on my lisp log now, at http://lifeoflevi.com/lisp/index.rss |
| 20:14.57 | LeviHome | hans: My computers are going down for a little bit now, though, because I need to flip the breaker for some home repairs. |
| 20:15.01 | LeviHome | Bye, all! |
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| 20:27.53 | colera | hey anyone know about the ep3 showing? |
| 20:28.01 | colera | i want in : ) |
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| 21:19.41 | colera | SpecialK are you going to ep3 with those guys? |
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| 22:50.21 | hans | ~nslookup www.google.com |
| 22:50.31 | hans | that's what I was afraid of |
| 22:50.48 | Maquis | what??? |
| 22:50.59 | Maquis | google can't be down... |
| 22:51.05 | Maquis | that's... that's... but..... |
| 22:55.13 | tensai | a.l.google.com is NXDOMAIN. I wonder what they screwed up. |
| 22:55.27 | Maquis | tensai: what's that mean??? |
| 22:56.11 | tensai | www.google.com is a CNAME for www.l.google.com. The nameserver (NS) for l.google.com is a.l.google.com. NXDOMAIN means the record doesn't exist. |
| 22:56.46 | tensai | so since the NS for l.google.com doesn't exist, www.l.google.com can't be found, thus the error |
| 22:57.14 | Maquis | wait... what's the nameserver do? |
| 22:57.23 | Maquis | and a CNAME is just a pointer? |
| 22:57.35 | Maquis | (in a weird manner of speaking) |
| 22:57.40 | tensai | there's no glue to a.l.google.com. that's the real problem. |
| 22:57.52 | tensai | CNAME is a canonical name, basically a pointer to another name. |
| 22:58.01 | Maquis | yay! |
| 22:58.12 | tensai | try dig www.zmonkey.org |
| 22:59.10 | Maquis | ok... |
| 22:59.37 | Maquis | so, the machine is actually joanna.zmonkey.org, and that's the IP address? |
| 22:59.45 | Maquis | what's the A for? |
| 22:59.48 | Maquis | and the 1800? |
| 22:59.51 | Maquis | and the IN? |
| 23:00.11 | Maquis | (sorry... you opened up a much bigger can of worms than you meant when you made that comment...) |
| 23:00.41 | Maquis | it says it did 1 query, and got 2 answers with 0 authority... |
| 23:00.55 | tensai | A is an address. IN is internet. 1800 is the time to live (TTL) |
| 23:01.04 | Maquis | time to live? |
| 23:01.15 | tensai | how long the answer should be cached |
| 23:01.22 | Maquis | oh |
| 23:01.39 | tensai | measured in seconds |
| 23:01.57 | Maquis | ok... i think i kinda get it |
| 23:02.37 | Maquis | when i dig google.com, i'm getting 3 addresses, but no CNAMEs... |
| 23:02.48 | tensai | you got two answers because one simple answer wouldn't suffice. just telling you www is a cname for joanna doesn't help much. you'd just ask for joanna's address, so my server told you preemptively. |
| 23:02.57 | Maquis | yeah |
| 23:03.18 | tensai | ah, they fixed it in the last 2 minutes |
| 23:03.22 | Maquis | cool |
| 23:03.29 | Maquis | that's good... |
| 23:03.37 | Maquis | google being down scares me |
| 23:03.54 | tensai | dig www.google.com +trace. the +trace option forces dig to start at the root and follow the full path rather than using your local cache. |
| 23:04.29 | tensai | ~nslookup www.google.com |
| 23:04.32 | Maquis | what does it mean if it times out because no servers could be reached? |
| 23:04.43 | tensai | you'll see ibot still can't find it though because it's cached the negative result |
| 23:05.05 | Maquis | dig www.google.com +trace is timing out for me |
| 23:05.34 | tensai | your provider may be blocking dns traffic outside that to their server |
| 23:05.46 | tensai | silly, but not unheard of |
| 23:06.05 | tensai | oh, it's OIT. yeah, they'd do something like that. |
| 23:06.23 | tensai | perfect time for a shell account :) |
| 23:06.32 | tensai | ~nslookup www.google.com |
| 23:06.46 | Tene | ~nslookup Maquis |
| 23:06.46 | tensai | and the 60 seconds negative ttl has expired |
| 23:07.19 | Tene | ~nslookup anything but confusion |
| 23:07.45 | tensai | I had a provider who's DNS was down for a while. They had the negative ttl set to 2 days, meaning anybody who queried our domain while it was down didn't try again for 2 more days. |
| 23:07.59 | tensai | very bad. a negative ttl shouldn't be more than 20 minutes imho |
| 23:09.27 | Maquis | tensai: nope... not oit right now |
| 23:10.03 | Maquis | i'm home and have verizon for a few months |
| 23:10.32 | hans | you can't use a computer at home!! |
| 23:21.19 | Maquis | ??? |
| 23:21.29 | Maquis | ok... weird question |
| 23:21.33 | Maquis | i have 2 wireless cards |
| 23:21.49 | Maquis | i just (finally) got my spare to work |
| 23:22.00 | Maquis | but it says it has 36/100 link quality |
| 23:22.08 | Maquis | while my other one has 100/100 link quality |
| 23:22.31 | Maquis | the one with less quality is a b card as opposed to a g card --- could that cause that? |
| 23:24.12 | Maquis | someone? |
| 23:24.30 | Maquis | anyone? |
| 23:25.48 | Maquis | http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/05/post.html |
| 23:26.16 | Hhhhh | Maquis: maybe it is not the fact that one is 802.11b and the other one 802.11g, but that maybe the g one is newer and has a better range? |
| 23:27.41 | Maquis | Hhhhh: given that i got the b one from a friend whose husband bought it... and he passed away in 2003.... |
| 23:27.46 | Maquis | that's rather likely... |
| 23:28.15 | Maquis | but... it should have at least enough link quality to get an ip address from a router that's just downstairs, shouldn't it? |
| 23:30.10 | Hhhhh | hmm, yea, it should |
| 23:30.19 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 23:30.37 | Maquis | well, internet's been flaky this week... not sure if it's the router or verizon... |
| 23:30.47 | Maquis | i'll try again with it later :) |
| 23:30.56 | Maquis | i'm just excited that it's installed |
| 23:31.30 | Maquis | (that's one thing that the windoze world will never understand --- joy at successfully installing something) |