| 00:06.14 | hans | levi, et al: hans.fugal.net/images/cessna.tiffD |
| 00:06.25 | hans | er, no D. where did that come from? |
| 00:07.59 | bucky | it's a tiff file.. are you going to fax it somewhere? |
| 00:35.04 | *** join/#utah wps (~wade@ns2.digis.net) |
| 00:42.09 | *** join/#utah tensai (~tensai@kite.zmonkey.org) |
| 00:51.09 | *** part/#utah bucky (~bucky@bucky.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 01:57.02 | Maquis | Tene: i'm sorry for your friend if he/she is looking for windows desktop support.. |
| 02:03.43 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@c-67-161-219-228.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 02:19.33 | *** join/#utah wps (~wade@ns2.digis.net) |
| 02:19.42 | *** join/#utah JoshH (~josh@josh.dsl.aros.net) |
| 02:41.07 | Maquis | anybody know if beagle (the desktop search tool) has hit portage yet? |
| 02:41.18 | Maquis | i saw it at brainshare, and was really impressed... |
| 02:42.12 | tensai | I was looking for it for debian today too. looks like it's not packaged yet. |
| 02:42.23 | Maquis | my dad was showing me Steve Jobs' presentation of spotlight for tiger, and it looked like the two were almost identical in functionality... so, i'm interested in trying beagle out on my computer... |
| 02:43.39 | Maquis | (and showing my dad that linux has similar features to tiger already...) :) |
| 02:44.24 | tensai | from what I could tell, as long as you've got all the gnome mono libraries it should be simple |
| 02:45.24 | JoshH | bah, whats wrong with find and locate |
| 02:45.47 | Maquis | JoshH: nothing... that's what i use... |
| 02:45.59 | Maquis | but i want to try out beagle, and show it to my dad |
| 02:46.00 | JoshH | spotlight is for aolers :P |
| 02:47.41 | Maquis | haha |
| 02:48.30 | Maquis | i don't actually see anywhere to actually download just beagle on novell's site... :( |
| 02:53.03 | JoshH | i dont see it on their ftp server either |
| 02:55.07 | dataw0lf | Beagle is a bit more complicated than both find and locate |
| 02:55.24 | dataw0lf | I don't really plan on using it, but comparing it to those two isn't very accurate. |
| 02:55.37 | JoshH | well of course, i was just joking, heh |
| 02:57.04 | Maquis | dataw0lf: any ideas on where to find it? |
| 02:57.38 | JoshH | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Beagle |
| 02:58.35 | Maquis | oh... so it has hit portage? |
| 03:02.05 | *** join/#utah LeviLaptop (~levi@levi.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:16.58 | LeviLaptop | Anyone around? |
| 03:19.37 | Mecworks | Jayce^, you around? |
| 03:19.46 | Mecworks | Jayce^, see my last IM> |
| 03:19.48 | Mecworks | ? |
| 03:20.52 | Tene | Maquis: he/she only has experience with windows. |
| 03:21.12 | Maquis | Tene: still.... tech support for windoze??? |
| 03:21.22 | Maquis | LeviLaptop: i'm around |
| 03:22.40 | Tene | he wants something tech-related, and isn't qualified for other stuff. |
| 03:22.40 | Tene | I mean... he/she... |
| 03:22.40 | Tene | >.> |
| 03:22.41 | Tene | <.< |
| 03:23.11 | *** join/#utah bigdog_ut (~bigdog_ut@shylonhunter.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:23.53 | Maquis | Tene: i was just using he/she because i wasn't certain which it was.... i would hope that if it's your friend, you would know which it is... |
| 03:24.09 | Tene | hehe |
| 03:24.14 | Tene | I was just using it to be silly. |
| 03:24.24 | Maquis | uh huh... |
| 03:25.09 | Tene | doodle is also interesting for search-type stuff in the same vein as beagle/spotlight |
| 03:25.13 | Tene | a little bit different. |
| 03:25.20 | Tene | I need to get dashboard set up sometime... |
| 03:25.37 | Maquis | see, i just want to prove to my dad that linux has something as cool as what the mac has |
| 03:26.15 | Tene | dashboard being the beagle-related linux thingy, not Tiger Dashboard. |
| 03:26.43 | Maquis | ah.. yes |
| 03:28.46 | LeviLaptop | Dashboard looks kind of interesting. I wonder if I'd find it useful. |
| 03:29.19 | *** part/#utah bigdog_ut (~bigdog_ut@shylonhunter.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:33.28 | LeviLaptop | Maquis: I got my iBook today. :) |
| 03:35.17 | Maquis | LeviLaptop: cool |
| 03:35.29 | Maquis | how do you like it? |
| 03:44.37 | Mecworks | Maquis, http://www.gnome.org/projects/beagle/ |
| 03:44.52 | Mecworks | weren't you looking for the beagle download earlier? |
| 03:46.49 | Maquis | Mecworks: joshh pointed me to how to emerge beagle... |
| 03:47.53 | Mecworks | Oh, cool |
| 03:47.59 | Maquis | yeah |
| 03:48.02 | Maquis | but thanks :) |
| 03:48.04 | Maquis | how are you? |
| 03:48.07 | Mecworks | np |
| 03:48.09 | Mecworks | good |
| 03:48.13 | Maquis | cool |
| 03:48.16 | Mecworks | getting over a cold however. |
| 03:48.26 | Mecworks | Almost there....stay on target.... |
| 03:48.36 | Maquis | you were at the keynote at brainshare where they showed beagle, right? |
| 03:48.46 | Mecworks | Shesh - what a nerd thing for me to say 8^) |
| 03:49.05 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:49.06 | Mecworks | No but I was at brainshare all week - just busy with other things. |
| 03:49.13 | Maquis | oh... |
| 03:49.18 | Mecworks | How was the keynote? |
| 03:49.25 | Maquis | it was good |
| 03:49.46 | LeviLaptop | Maquis: It's really slick. It'll be nicer when Tiger and the extra RAM arrive. |
| 03:49.47 | Maquis | the first half wasn't nearly as interesting as the second half, in my opinion... |
| 03:49.53 | Maquis | LeviLaptop: cool |
| 03:50.06 | Maquis | Mecworks: they showed the "wobbly windows" for fun |
| 03:50.34 | Mecworks | Oh, I heard about that. Pretty cool I hear. I haven't seen it yet. |
| 03:50.40 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 03:50.52 | Maquis | there's a website where you can see a video of it... |
| 03:51.07 | Maquis | google for "wobbly windows"... i found it last night, but i don't remember where |
| 03:51.31 | Mecworks | k |
| 03:51.39 | Maquis | it was cool |
| 03:51.51 | Maquis | and miguel de icaza is cool... |
| 03:55.44 | Mecworks | and yet a bit of a spaz 8^) |
| 03:57.41 | Tene | yeah, miguel is a nifty guy |
| 03:58.12 | Mecworks | Yeah, the "wobbly windows" stuff looks cool. If it will ever download....I'd be able to watch it. |
| 04:00.57 | *** join/#utah wps (~wade@ns2.digis.net) |
| 04:13.16 | *** join/#utah SpecialK (~Bob@70-58-106-162.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 04:21.26 | *** join/#utah Hhhhh (~cristobal@c-67-169-244-47.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 04:36.09 | *** join/#utah SpecialK_ (~Scott_K@70-58-106-162.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 04:56.34 | Maquis | LeviHome: ??? |
| 04:57.19 | LeviHome | Maquis: You're supposed to fully charge it, then fully use the battery. That calibrates the 'time remaining' in the battery monitor. |
| 04:57.31 | Maquis | oh... |
| 04:57.33 | Maquis | yeah |
| 04:57.50 | Maquis | so, what's so hard about that? |
| 04:57.56 | Maquis | just leave it on overnight |
| 04:57.59 | Maquis | or use it to watch a dvd |
| 04:58.01 | Maquis | or something |
| 04:58.07 | LeviHome | I just put on a DVD. |
| 04:58.12 | LeviHome | Blade Runner. :) |
| 04:59.53 | LeviHome | Leon is getting the Voight-Kampff test. Whoops, and there he just ended it. |
| 05:04.43 | LeviHome | Such a cool movie. |
| 05:04.53 | Maquis | ah |
| 05:07.21 | LeviHome | I imagine you haven't seen it. |
| 05:08.54 | Maquis | nope |
| 05:10.08 | LeviHome | It's an amazing movie, really. Kinda slow-paced, but the atmosphere is incredible, and it's very thought-provoking. |
| 05:12.32 | spr | I started blade runner earlier today, but then the new stuff for myth came |
| 05:13.43 | LeviHome | New stuff for myth? |
| 05:15.00 | LeviHome | "More Human than Human is our motto here" |
| 05:19.46 | spr | LeviHome, new sound card (with optical out) and dvd burner |
| 05:20.10 | LeviHome | Oh, building a MythTV box. |
| 05:20.16 | LeviHome | Bah, TV. |
| 05:21.55 | LeviHome | "If only you could see what I've seen with your eyes..." |
| 05:23.38 | LeviHome | "My mother? I'll tell you about my mother. *BLAM!*" |
| 05:32.11 | goozbach | you know what is cool? |
| 05:32.20 | LeviHome | What? |
| 05:32.22 | goozbach | cat /some/random/file > /dev/autio |
| 05:32.28 | goozbach | er audio |
| 05:32.32 | LeviHome | Uhh, okay. |
| 05:33.00 | goozbach | ELF executables almost sound like a modem |
| 05:33.19 | goozbach | negotiating |
| 05:34.37 | goozbach | and in ntoskern.dll you can hear someone saying "by the name of satan I command you to spread the blood of the innocent among the infedils" |
| 05:36.12 | *** join/#utah amcnabb (~amcnabb@c-67-161-219-228.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 05:36.15 | LeviHome | There goes my laptop. :) |
| 05:36.17 | LeviHome | Time for bed. |
| 05:43.34 | tensai | By Grapthar's Hammer... I will have fries with that |
| 06:03.01 | xbmodder | hey all. |
| 06:03.06 | xbmodder | well i've messed up again. |
| 06:03.21 | xbmodder | but who cares this is OSS talk |
| 06:03.46 | *** join/#utah wps_ (~wade@ns2.digis.net) |
| 06:16.07 | *** join/#utah flyboy^ (~flyboy@ded1005.west-datacenter.net) |
| 08:05.37 | *** join/#utah Tene (~tene@c-67-182-199-40.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 13:22.38 | *** join/#utah dataw0lf|w (~dataw0lf@66.219.227.114) |
| 13:25.37 | *** join/#utah wps (~wade@ns2.digis.net) |
| 13:54.37 | *** join/#utah drip (~scoobmast@67.108.238.129.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 14:27.07 | levi | Good morning! |
| 14:29.20 | Jayce^ | w00t! new chairs |
| 14:30.18 | levi | Woo? |
| 14:31.34 | *** join/#utah tensai (~tensai@207.141.37.66) |
| 14:32.42 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, had old novell chairs before |
| 14:32.47 | Jayce^ | now we have mirra chairs :) |
| 14:33.18 | *** join/#utah JoshH (~JoshH@firebat.aros.net) |
| 14:40.22 | *** join/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 14:46.58 | levi | That's good, I suppose. |
| 14:47.28 | *** join/#utah wps (~wade@207.108.169.214) |
| 14:48.27 | *** join/#utah wps (~wade@207.108.169.214) |
| 14:59.05 | vontrapp | is there an http header you can send to tell the browser to reload the current page? |
| 15:00.00 | dataw0lf|w | Refresh: 3;URL=http://www.foo.com/foo.html |
| 15:00.24 | vontrapp | what is the 3 for? |
| 15:02.02 | tensai | 3 seconds |
| 15:02.03 | dataw0lf|w | seconds for browser requests update. |
| 15:08.54 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (~emcnabb@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 15:09.29 | vontrapp | so is that going to do a repeating refresh every three seconds or just once? |
| 15:11.52 | tensai | just the once |
| 15:18.01 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-67-161-242-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 15:19.09 | *** join/#utah bigdog_ut (~bigdog@166.70.34.182) |
| 15:19.41 | vontrapp | k, thanks guys, i was just confused why you would want to wait three seconds |
| 15:37.21 | *** part/#utah Jayce^ (~jayce@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 15:39.46 | *** join/#utah Jayce^ (~Jayce_@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 15:39.47 | *** mode/#utah [+o Jayce^] by ChanServ |
| 15:40.45 | hans | grr |
| 15:41.07 | vontrapp | ~bark hans |
| 15:41.14 | hans | how does one stop a windows service that says "stopping" and the stop and start and pause and restart buttons are greyed out |
| 15:41.29 | vontrapp | power button? |
| 15:41.33 | hans | and in the task manager, if you try to "end process" it tells you that access is denied (to administrator?!) |
| 15:41.48 | hans | and it's a production server that I can't reboot during office hours |
| 15:44.25 | tensai | hans: only way I know of is to reboot |
| 15:48.54 | hans | google says task manager can't but kill.exe (in a resource kit) can |
| 15:51.27 | tensai | I had that problem with Exchange all the time. drove me nuts. |
| 15:54.55 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu) |
| 15:54.58 | levi | Ahh, kill.exe. That sounds sublime. ;) |
| 16:08.23 | *** join/#utah Hhhhh (~cristobal@67.169.244.47) |
| 16:10.25 | hans | hooray for kill.exe |
| 16:10.42 | hans | maybe now I can go back to feeling sick |
| 16:10.47 | *** join/#utah SpecialK_ (~Scott_K@70-58-106-162.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 16:11.40 | levi | hans: Like, physically sick, or a sick state of mind? |
| 16:12.22 | levi | BTW, anyone here interested in a 1Ghz eMac w/Combo drive? |
| 16:12.32 | vontrapp | how much? |
| 16:12.52 | hans | physically |
| 16:12.59 | vontrapp | hmm, don't much like emacs |
| 16:13.06 | jsmith | levi: Yeah, how much do you want for it? |
| 16:13.14 | mrpull | levi... are you aware of the sllug buy-sell-trade list? |
| 16:13.16 | hans | what is an eMac? |
| 16:13.24 | levi | mrpull: Nope. |
| 16:13.28 | vontrapp | so i'll probably pay $150 maybe $200 |
| 16:13.47 | levi | jsmith: Around $500 or so. |
| 16:13.49 | mrpull | http://sllug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/buy-sell-trade |
| 16:14.05 | mrpull | 500 sounds high :), but Macs keep their value |
| 16:14.18 | vontrapp | hans, emacs are those tv looking things, monitor with a computer |
| 16:14.31 | levi | mrpull: All the online used places have them > $500 without the upgrades I've added. |
| 16:15.35 | levi | It's only about a year old, and was ~$900 new. |
| 16:15.37 | vontrapp | i was just saying how low a price would entice me into buying something i'm not otherwise too keen on |
| 16:15.46 | jsmith | vontrapp: You too, eh? |
| 16:16.17 | levi | Is anyone actually on the buy-sell-trade list? |
| 16:16.27 | mrpull | it is new |
| 16:16.30 | hans | vontrapp: of course you don't like emacs, I've trained you in the ways of vim too well. |
| 16:16.49 | jsmith | levi: I am. |
| 16:17.33 | vontrapp | hans: haha, took me a second |
| 16:19.49 | levi | Anyway, the built-in CRT is 17". Not a top-of-the-line tube, but fairly crisp and runs at a decently high resolution. I've also installed the firmware change that allows dual-head usage instead of just video mirroring. |
| 16:21.52 | vontrapp | just out of curiosity, what is the resolution? |
| 16:23.39 | levi | 1024xsomething, I believe. |
| 16:23.47 | levi | @75Hz. |
| 16:24.17 | levi | Er, no. |
| 16:24.22 | levi | 1280xsomething |
| 16:25.30 | *** join/#utah fungus (~fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a) |
| 16:25.30 | spr | To help you train your filters |
| 16:26.27 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, but when 100 people keep forwarding you the same virus (ala Sober) over and over again, it can get a tad annoying. |
| 16:27.07 | Bradipo | spr: You are assuming people know that training filters is a possibility. |
| 16:27.11 | dataw0lf|w | mrpull: it only runs on windows, correct? |
| 16:27.47 | Bradipo | spr: Not only that, the majority of people probably won't include the full headers (mostly thanks to Outlook) which means a large number of useful tokens are left out. |
| 16:28.02 | mrpull | as far as I know.... windows only |
| 16:30.49 | spr | Bradipo, just trying to be optimistic :) |
| 16:30.49 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: It's only a caching proxy... move on, nothing to see here |
| 16:31.11 | dataw0lf|w | jsmith: hey, I always want to try out Google's latest and greatest. |
| 16:31.20 | mrpull | it is interesting that it caches potentially dead sites |
| 16:31.25 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-67-161-242-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 16:31.38 | mrpull | i have no intention of leaving it installed |
| 16:31.41 | mrpull | it is just a toy |
| 16:32.21 | dataw0lf|w | You guys read the Forbes article about MS versus Google posted on /. ? |
| 16:32.41 | jsmith | Naw... Slashdot is so lame these days... |
| 16:33.04 | dataw0lf|w | pretty good article. |
| 16:33.20 | mrpull | forbes? or fortune? |
| 16:33.38 | levi | Highest eMac resolution: 1280x960@75Hz |
| 16:34.19 | dataw0lf|w | err, Fortune. |
| 16:36.21 | mrpull | i wonder how much bandwidth google consumes |
| 16:36.41 | mrpull | spidering, proxying, serving pages... email |
| 16:36.48 | mrpull | it's got to be huge |
| 16:38.30 | dataw0lf|w | http://news.com.com/Google+wants+dark+fiber/2100-1034_3-5537392.html |
| 16:38.34 | mrpull | in fact... if you've ever had google spider one of your sites |
| 16:39.05 | mrpull | they can consume a huge amount of bandwidth just hitting my sites |
| 16:39.38 | *** join/#utah tapH20guru (~tapH20gur@204.110.225.254) |
| 16:39.57 | dataw0lf|w | thus, robots.txt |
| 16:40.33 | mrpull | but the google traffic is desirable in this case :) |
| 16:41.30 | dataw0lf|w | hehe. |
| 16:41.38 | dataw0lf|w | I'd kill to work for Google. |
| 16:41.40 | dataw0lf|w | Really. |
| 16:41.44 | dataw0lf|w | I'm going to go get a pistol right now. |
| 16:41.59 | mrpull | we have the capacity to handle it |
| 16:42.08 | mrpull | but someone else who doesn't might get suprised |
| 16:46.50 | goozbach | where can one find this kill.exe? |
| 16:47.15 | mrpull | http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/pstools.shtml |
| 16:47.20 | jsmith | goozbach: I think someone said it was in the Windows Resource Kit |
| 16:47.40 | mrpull | I prefer the sysinternals tools to many in the resource kit |
| 16:47.49 | goozbach | THE resourse kit |
| 16:47.49 | goozbach | ahh |
| 16:50.25 | *** part/#utah fungus (~fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a) |
| 17:12.42 | *** join/#utah fungus (~fungus@2001:470:1f00:645:20a:95ff:fec5:636a) |
| 17:12.46 | hans | OOo is depressingly large |
| 17:12.58 | hans | 115 megs! |
| 17:16.24 | goozbach | jes jes it tis |
| 17:16.35 | levi | It's also depressingly slow. |
| 17:16.36 | mrpull | and it looks spiffy on your brand new notebook too |
| 17:16.52 | mrpull | Ms office 2004 is a great product |
| 17:16.52 | levi | hans: You running the OS X version? |
| 17:20.16 | hans | levi: I'm downloading it |
| 17:20.17 | vontrapp | anyone having connection issues? |
| 17:20.36 | hans | At this rate I won't be running it until Christmas |
| 17:20.45 | vontrapp | rather, internet issues in general |
| 17:20.52 | Jayce^ | J/office seems to have slowed down a lot since upgrading to tiger |
| 17:21.11 | vontrapp | on fibernet |
| 17:21.25 | mrpull | serious... download the MS trial |
| 17:21.36 | vontrapp | it's strange, can get to almost anything in utah, but nothing else |
| 17:21.42 | levi | Tiger should come with the MS trial stuff. |
| 17:22.08 | levi | I have Office:X on my eMac, but I haven't transferred it to my iBook yet. |
| 17:22.15 | hans | I'm perfectly happy with OOo |
| 17:22.41 | levi | I don't know how well it works on OS X. I guess you'll find out, eventually. |
| 17:22.43 | Jayce^ | I have both, and actually like using oo better |
| 17:22.55 | vontrapp | google.com, yahoo.com don't work |
| 17:23.08 | vontrapp | but uvsc.edu, plug.org, abay, amazon, fugal.net all work |
| 17:23.10 | levi | Anyone tried the iWork stuff? |
| 17:23.12 | mrpull | it just doesn't happen that often... gotta jump on the opportunity |
| 17:23.22 | Jayce^ | just installed the trial, haven't used it yet |
| 17:23.36 | levi | There's an iWork trial? |
| 17:23.50 | mrpull | vontrapp: do you trust your dns servers? |
| 17:24.06 | vontrapp | yes |
| 17:24.32 | Jayce^ | levi yeah, came with tiger |
| 17:24.34 | vontrapp | in fact, going out from falcon, which uses the same server :) works just fine |
| 17:25.06 | levi | Jayce^: Ahh, cool. I want to see how Pages works. |
| 17:25.24 | levi | If I like it, I'll buy it. It's not too expensive at the bookstore. |
| 17:26.08 | hans | levi: no but I have a trial disk |
| 17:26.13 | hans | doubt it reads .sxw though |
| 17:26.54 | levi | Probably not, but it does read .doc |
| 17:27.27 | vontrapp | i would think that it's some kind of major backbone or hub that is having issues |
| 17:27.51 | vontrapp | but nobody else is experiencing problems? |
| 17:28.03 | hans | well i had a heck of a time finding a ooo mirror that worked |
| 17:28.05 | levi | I never actually liked OOo, and I haven't liked Word very well since the old Mac version merged with the Windows version. The pre-merge Mac version was great. |
| 17:28.13 | hans | don't know if that's stale mirrors or internet problem.s |
| 17:28.15 | hans | s |
| 17:28.18 | hans | ended up going to one in the UK |
| 17:28.55 | hans | i have never liked any word processor. OOo is as good as any from my perspective |
| 17:29.07 | JoshH | i like abiword better than OOo |
| 17:29.52 | levi | Except OOo isn't very intuitive, it's horribly big and slow, and last I looked required X11 on OS X. |
| 17:29.57 | JoshH | OOo 2 should be a huge improvement though |
| 17:29.59 | vontrapp | hmm, looks like the issues have been resolved |
| 17:30.26 | vontrapp | i have google back! yay!! |
| 17:30.55 | levi | I was eventually able to do everything I needed to do in OOo, but when I tried it in Word, I figured it out and had it working in a fraction of the time. |
| 17:31.27 | *** join/#utah lukfugl|w (~lukfugl@host-19.pl107798-3.fiber.net) |
| 17:31.54 | hans | it does use X11, yes. there's a based-on-OOo thing called neooffice or something that is more native osx |
| 17:32.01 | hans | lots of java there |
| 17:32.24 | hans | ooo is getting better at a quick pace, too. |
| 17:32.52 | hans | I've never used word really, except in occasional tight binds when I needed to get a paper done and word was all I could find |
| 17:32.59 | hans | and it was _NOT_ intuitive |
| 17:33.06 | hans | word is the most unintuitive program I have ever used. |
| 17:33.19 | levi | Well, I admit, parts of it are terribly unintuitive. |
| 17:33.27 | levi | But the mail merge stuff was far easier to use. |
| 17:33.43 | JoshH | word is unintuitive, but its a lot faster and more polished than OO |
| 17:33.48 | JoshH | i woud rather use word, if given the choice. |
| 17:33.57 | levi | I hate doing anything with tables or complex formatting in Word. |
| 17:34.06 | vontrapp | lukfugl|w: did you have major internet issues? |
| 17:34.09 | JoshH | but OOo is nice for what it is... a free star office clone. |
| 17:34.16 | tensai | I just did my first mail merge yesterday in OOo. Never tried in Word so I can't compare, but it wasn't bad. Had some problems though. |
| 17:34.19 | vontrapp | hans: what are you doing to falcon! it's so slooww |
| 17:34.38 | hans | vontrapp: I'm trying to download OOo |
| 17:34.58 | vontrapp | ah, but of course :) |
| 17:35.20 | levi | tensai: That's about the experience I had with it. After finding the documentation on it, it was fairly easy to set up, but I had to work out some issues and there were some odd quirks that I can't remember anymore. |
| 17:36.04 | levi | tensai: I didn't need any documentation to figure out the Word mail merge interface, and it didn't surprise me or seem quirky at all. |
| 17:37.07 | levi | Anyway, I'm hopeful that Pages will be easy to use for my occasional word processing. |
| 17:38.07 | hans | just use lisp. ;-) |
| 17:38.13 | hans | or maybe php |
| 17:38.37 | hans | php can do everything best, I hear |
| 17:40.08 | dataw0lf|w | now he's dead, canned, AND unreadable. |
| 17:40.09 | dataw0lf|w | HA! |
| 17:40.38 | tensai | just like all perl code! |
| 17:41.02 | dataw0lf|w | No, no. |
| 17:41.04 | dataw0lf|w | 90%. |
| 17:41.09 | tensai | and it'll last forever, hahahaha |
| 17:43.46 | tapH20guru | hans: do you work with vontrapp? |
| 17:43.58 | hans | no von is my bro |
| 17:44.03 | tapH20guru | ahh |
| 17:44.20 | levi | The new UNKLE album's not too bad. |
| 17:53.30 | hans | levi: did you catch the screenshot I pasted yesterday? |
| 17:55.21 | levi | hans: Nope. |
| 17:56.05 | hans | http://hans.fugal.net/images/cessna.tiff |
| 17:56.42 | levi | Ahh, that's your Ruby/tk app? |
| 17:57.45 | hans | yup |
| 17:58.56 | levi | Nice. |
| 17:59.42 | levi | Is it just Aqua-like, or does it actually use the system graphics frameworks? |
| 17:59.55 | hans | I think it's aqua-like |
| 18:00.03 | hans | but maybe a combo of both |
| 18:00.29 | hans | it behaves like tk in all the annoying ways, like the window resizing when you choose a different (longer) aircraft name |
| 18:00.42 | levi | Ahh. |
| 18:00.59 | levi | Well, aqua-like is better than Motif-like, at least. |
| 18:01.06 | hans | ya |
| 18:01.32 | levi | To think that I used to think Motif looked kinda nice... |
| 18:16.09 | *** join/#utah bucky (~bucky@bucky.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 18:17.41 | *** join/#utah zombie-m (~mterry@4.42.225.190) |
| 18:17.51 | *** join/#utah markl_ (mark@dsl093-225-013.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 18:18.33 | *** join/#utah wps_ (~wade@207.108.169.214) |
| 18:23.45 | Maquis | didn't lds.org have some music besides the hymns and primary songbook for a little? i remember running across part of the soundtrack to legacy and such one time... but i can't find them again |
| 18:25.40 | tensai | yeah, I bought them |
| 18:26.04 | tensai | ldscatalog.com |
| 18:26.19 | Maquis | they were free downloads when i saw them |
| 18:26.33 | tensai | hmm. not sure what you mean then |
| 18:26.35 | Maquis | or at least they had free sample downloads... |
| 18:27.04 | Maquis | or maybe you could just play them from their server |
| 18:34.19 | *** join/#utah tapH20guru_ (~tapH20gur@204.110.228.110) |
| 18:34.50 | Uncle_Jesse | Maquis: they have free downloads on lds.org |
| 18:35.38 | Uncle_Jesse | It's under gospel library, then audio |
| 18:35.56 | Uncle_Jesse | Then other music |
| 18:37.50 | Maquis | Uncle_Jesse: thanks |
| 18:37.54 | Maquis | that's what i was looking for! |
| 18:47.01 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (~aint@drjones.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 18:48.04 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-67-161-242-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 18:51.51 | Uncle_Jesse | I wish they would provide more - I added them to my ipod - really enjoy what they have so far |
| 18:53.38 | Maquis | yeah... they're great! |
| 18:53.51 | Maquis | at least they're pretty long |
| 19:10.00 | spr | ~lart nfs |
| 19:10.11 | Maquis | ~lart spr |
| 19:10.50 | spr | ~lart Maquis for not being here for the newbies meeting |
| 19:11.09 | spr | hm, ibot doesn't parse double for's very well |
| 19:18.26 | Uncle_Jesse | organizational changes are always interesting... |
| 19:18.38 | Uncle_Jesse | maybe now I can get the RCS I wanted |
| 19:19.26 | hans | w00t thunder |
| 19:30.05 | vontrapp | yay for thunder! |
| 19:34.10 | levi | hans: You ever get OOo running? |
| 19:38.00 | *** join/#utah ECS (~ecs@ecs-dell.byu.edu) |
| 19:38.24 | hans | yeah |
| 19:40.12 | Maquis | ~lart ECS |
| 19:40.43 | Maquis | spr: are you going to be presenting for the newbies meeting? |
| 19:42.37 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-67-161-242-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 19:50.47 | vontrapp | wow, it's really coming down out there |
| 19:52.01 | jsmith | Yeah, it is. |
| 19:52.08 | jsmith | Good thing I mowed my lawn last night :-( |
| 19:54.49 | *** part/#utah ECS (~ecs@ecs-dell.byu.edu) |
| 19:55.19 | hans | does it hurt your lawn? |
| 19:57.16 | Bradipo | hans: No, it probably doesn't except for promoting growth of toadstools and mushrooms. |
| 19:57.36 | Bradipo | hans: Any idea why the openssl command doesn't have -config for all of its sub commands? |
| 19:57.42 | vontrapp | just frowning at the thought of not having mowed? |
| 19:57.48 | Bradipo | Like openssl ca -config works, but openssl x509 -config doesn't. |
| 19:58.03 | jsmith | hans: If I would have put it off 'til today, the lawn would be too wet |
| 19:58.34 | hans | ah, yes. |
| 20:10.29 | scott | anyone happen to know of a park close to provo with a covered area big enough for a small 6 person game of soccer? darn rain! |
| 20:12.00 | fozz | What is soccer w/out rain?! |
| 20:13.40 | scott | I don't mind playing in the rain, but the others don't want to |
| 20:13.47 | *** part/#utah bigdog_ut (~bigdog@166.70.34.182) |
| 20:13.49 | vontrapp | scott: i'll play soccer in the rain with you |
| 20:19.28 | hans | I go walking in the rain, just to get wet, on purpose |
| 20:20.36 | vontrapp | getting away with it all my life |
| 20:20.47 | vontrapp | that was a good thunder |
| 20:36.20 | levi | Heh, haven't listened to Electronic in a while. |
| 20:48.47 | *** join/#utah pie (~von@user-213.kingsley2.fiber.net) |
| 20:56.25 | Uncle_Jesse | Today is my lucky day |
| 20:56.29 | Uncle_Jesse | my lucky number is 5 |
| 20:56.37 | Uncle_Jesse | I should go to Vegas |
| 20:56.58 | Uncle_Jesse | or buy a lottery ticket |
| 21:03.41 | Maquis | Uncle_Jesse: ??? |
| 21:06.24 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: He may have left already -- it's after 5 his time |
| 21:06.42 | jsmith | Oh, I mean Maquis: He may have left already |
| 21:07.04 | Maquis | jsmith: :) |
| 21:07.18 | jsmith | I swear -- my brain stops working every time it rains. |
| 21:07.27 | Maquis | it's raining down there? |
| 21:07.54 | Uncle_Jesse | Maquis: my lucky number is 5 and it's 5-5-05 |
| 21:08.23 | Uncle_Jesse | I should be home right now consider it's past my lucky number 5 |
| 21:08.33 | Maquis | ah |
| 21:11.00 | Uncle_Jesse | well adios, and happy sinco de mayo |
| 21:12.32 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 21:13.10 | jsmith | Maquis: Yes, it's raining "down here". Where are you? |
| 21:14.47 | Maquis | jsmith: seattle |
| 21:16.09 | jsmith | Maquis: Yeah, we're getting your rain, and you're getting our drought |
| 21:18.10 | vontrapp | hey, that doesn't work with my lucky number |
| 21:18.18 | vontrapp | there is no 13-13-13 |
| 21:18.27 | hans | octember |
| 21:18.48 | hans | friday the thirteenth is coming up, though. |
| 21:19.11 | vontrapp | ok, octember, but i don't get to remember it |
| 21:19.32 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-67-161-242-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:20.46 | *** join/#utah tapH20guru (~tapH20gur@204.110.225.254) |
| 21:21.40 | hans | interesting, Electronic apparently just released a Getting Away With It album (remixes). At least, itunes says the release date is jan 2005 |
| 21:21.57 | levi | Huh. Interesting. |
| 21:22.10 | levi | I wonder if they're going to do any more regular albums now that New Order is recording again. |
| 21:30.19 | bucky | erasure was on tv last night |
| 21:32.02 | bucky | on Last Call with Carson Daily |
| 21:34.16 | dataw0lf|w | evil. |
| 21:34.35 | dataw0lf|w | I didn't know MTV still did music. |
| 21:34.39 | dataw0lf|w | That's quite the surprise. |
| 21:38.36 | bucky | lol |
| 21:39.53 | bucky | Carson Daily is good.. he had Government Mule on as the house band and then the Allman Brothers one night |
| 21:52.12 | *** join/#utah bucky (~bucky@bucky.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 21:53.06 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-67-161-242-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:58.02 | *** join/#utah levi (~levi@208.177.141.226.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 22:00.46 | bucky | levi, time for a bike ride !?! |
| 22:06.58 | *** join/#utah jakea (~jakea@jamestkirk.byu.edu) |
| 22:08.10 | jakea | instead of some other email address, can I just point a user's email to /dev/null in the postfix alias file? |
| 22:08.44 | Maquis | i said "glare" not "stare" |
| 22:08.59 | jakea | some girls are weird |
| 22:09.03 | Maquis | jakea: any ideas for may 19th |
| 22:09.04 | Maquis | ? |
| 22:09.10 | jakea | yes, star wars |
| 22:09.30 | goozbach | duh! |
| 22:09.34 | goozbach | stupid question |
| 22:09.34 | Maquis | i'm thinking for the uug meeting |
| 22:09.40 | goozbach | duh! |
| 22:09.41 | goozbach | stupid question |
| 22:09.44 | goozbach | :) |
| 22:09.52 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 22:10.31 | Maquis | is there anybody in the channel who's been dying to present for the uug and happens to be free the 19th? |
| 22:11.27 | goozbach | I think the subset there is gonna be small |
| 22:11.41 | goozbach | the second qualifier is the tough one |
| 22:11.58 | jakea | sorry. star wars is all I can come up with |
| 22:12.29 | goozbach | invite the uug to the line party |
| 22:12.33 | goozbach | it'll be fun |
| 22:12.36 | Maquis | jakea: when do you want to do the "watching star trek in the planetarium" event? can that become a uug meeting? |
| 22:13.17 | jakea | you want to watch star wars on the 19th |
| 22:13.24 | Maquis | most of the ideas i think of are things that would be better for the fall/winter time... |
| 22:13.44 | Maquis | jakea: that doesn't change the fact that we have a meeting scheduled for that night... |
| 22:13.55 | jakea | okay, but this together |
| 22:13.55 | misterpull | only 4 more zone fiile updates till the serial is 2005050505 |
| 22:13.59 | jakea | UUG: Geeks |
| 22:14.05 | jakea | Star Wars: For Geeks |
| 22:14.15 | jakea | you think anyone is going to be there, my young Padawan? |
| 22:14.56 | Maquis | dunno... seeing as we planned the meeting for that day without anybody pointing that out, my guess is that there might be a few... |
| 22:15.05 | Maquis | but we can discuss it |
| 22:15.15 | jakea | those are the people who have no lives |
| 22:15.22 | jakea | no wait, that doesn't sound right |
| 22:15.36 | goozbach | I have no life and won't be avalible |
| 22:15.51 | goozbach | the fact I have no life actually increased that fact |
| 22:16.59 | jakea | hmmmm |
| 22:19.39 | tensai | jakea: /dev/null in /etc/aliases works fine with exim. I would think it would work with postfix. |
| 22:20.09 | spr | Maquis, consider the fact that you can move meetings around easier in the summer |
| 22:20.49 | Maquis | spr: yes... but that still involves getting a presenter |
| 22:21.27 | Maquis | so, is anybody here dying to present at the uug and available some night the week of the 19th? |
| 22:23.00 | dataw0lf|w | good luck. |
| 22:24.12 | Maquis | dataw0lf|w: thanks... |
| 22:28.53 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-67-161-242-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:35.38 | *** join/#utah ECS (~ecs@ecs-dell.byu.edu) |
| 22:36.07 | ECS | ~lart Maquis |
| 22:40.41 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (~xbmodder@adsl-67-119-13-17.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 22:40.42 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 22:40.52 | xbmodder_lappy | I need some help with my project on school. |
| 22:41.08 | xbmodder_lappy | I was wondering are there any computer security admins here? |
| 22:41.42 | vontrapp | eeks, i have a file to which i get access denied even as root |
| 22:41.46 | vontrapp | can't to anything to it |
| 22:41.52 | vontrapp | /var/cache/samba/browse.dat |
| 22:42.07 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm. |
| 22:42.20 | xbmodder_lappy | vontrapp, fuser -v /var/cache/samba/browse.dat |
| 22:42.45 | xbmodder_lappy | You want to delete it? |
| 22:45.44 | levi | Hrm, I'm not having any luck getting mDNSResponder and daapd on my Linux box to talk with iTunes on my Mac. |
| 22:56.41 | tensai | levi: making lightsaber photos is pretty easy. ever tried? |
| 22:57.17 | Uncle_Jesse | man - this is hilarious - some script kiddie just IM'd me and is giving me all his personal information, while telling me he hacked my wireless network (windows machine only) at my last place of residence |
| 22:57.57 | Uncle_Jesse | I could totally send him to jail with the information I have if I wanted to |
| 22:58.03 | Maquis | Uncle_Jesse: that is good... you might mention that you're forwarding all that info to the FBI and they say they'll be there in a minute or two |
| 22:58.33 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - so far I've just told him to be careful because other "not-so-nice" people could have done that - he's still giving me more personal information |
| 22:59.00 | Maquis | he obviously wants you to send that info along... |
| 22:59.09 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm tempted to start being buddy-buddy and getting things like personal websites, address, etc |
| 22:59.16 | Maquis | either he's crazy, or the personal info is that of a person he really despises |
| 22:59.34 | Uncle_Jesse | Maquis: yeah - that's why I'm not doing anything yet - he seems that crazy though |
| 22:59.50 | Maquis | ok... weird problem here... |
| 23:00.20 | Maquis | i'm trying to emerge beagle, and i've been following the instructions, but now it's looking for a patch that didn't come in the download... |
| 23:00.26 | Maquis | i tried googling for the patch, and can't find it |
| 23:00.54 | Maquis | i tried googling for the error it's giving, and can only find it for other ebuilds, and the fix for all those is to point the variable at the correct location of the patch |
| 23:01.02 | Maquis | but i don't have the patch, so i can't do that |
| 23:02.54 | Maquis | i tried commenting out the epatch, but now it's complaining that the ebuild isn't the right filesize |
| 23:04.13 | Maquis | i managed to delete an extra space, and thus get the right filesize, but now it's failing md5 verification |
| 23:04.16 | Maquis | grrrr |
| 23:05.55 | vontrapp | xbmodder_lappy: still get permission denied with that fuser command |
| 23:06.00 | vontrapp | (as root) |
| 23:06.10 | vontrapp | ~lart samba |
| 23:06.19 | vontrapp | i haven't even used samba |
| 23:22.58 | xbmodder_lappy | vontrapp, reboot? |
| 23:33.46 | bucky | that's great.. ksl always runs the emergency weather report during national news about the casualties in Iraq |
| 23:42.00 | *** part/#utah zombie-m (~mterry@4.42.225.190) |
| 23:49.17 | *** join/#utah SpecialK_ (~Scott_K@128.187.248.36) |
| 23:49.31 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK_ |
| 23:53.07 | SpecialK_ | ~lart Maquis |