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| 00:34.52 | levi-treo | Good evening. |
| 00:35.09 | bucky | hi |
| 00:35.34 | levi-treo | Wassup? |
| 00:36.01 | bucky | news |
| 00:36.40 | levi-treo | News? |
| 00:37.02 | bucky | jim leherer |
| 00:37.09 | bucky | pbs |
| 00:37.29 | levi-treo | What about them? |
| 00:37.43 | levi-treo | Man, I need a working laptop. |
| 00:37.58 | bucky | thats whats up |
| 00:38.24 | levi-treo | Hmm, ok. |
| 00:38.43 | bucky | levi-treo, you roaming? |
| 00:39.21 | levi-treo | I'm in class. |
| 00:39.30 | levi-treo | Java. Bleh. |
| 00:39.32 | bucky | heh |
| 00:41.31 | levi-treo | It was this, C#, or VB. |
| 00:41.51 | bucky | good choice |
| 00:43.26 | levi-treo | Yeah. |
| 00:43.56 | bucky | learning the fibinacci number? |
| 00:44.22 | bucky | fibonacci i mean |
| 00:44.30 | levi-treo | Nope, just syntax right now. |
| 00:46.58 | goozbach | anyone here know of a good writer? |
| 00:47.16 | bucky | Kurt Wall is pretty goog |
| 00:47.23 | bucky | good |
| 00:47.40 | goozbach | preferably one who will be willing to work with me on a project |
| 00:47.40 | levi-treo | What kind of writer? |
| 00:47.53 | goozbach | perferablly one local |
| 00:48.00 | bucky | Kurt's pretty busy |
| 00:48.01 | levi-treo | Tech writer? |
| 00:48.13 | goozbach | sci-fi or drama |
| 00:48.44 | goozbach | I've been playing with the Source SDK and have been thinking of doing a machinama |
| 00:48.58 | levi-treo | Sorry, can't help you there. |
| 00:49.11 | bucky | doesn't hans go to sci-fi conventions? |
| 00:52.26 | levi-treo | Sweet, this guy codes in emacs on OS X. |
| 00:55.00 | bucky | cool.. that will help keep the interest level up |
| 00:57.27 | levi-treo | Findlay was warning that this place was pretty MS-centric, but I haven't got that impression. |
| 00:58.00 | bucky | things change |
| 01:01.56 | levi-treo | Alas, this really runs down my battery. |
| 01:02.44 | levi-treo | I'd like to sell my treo and emac and get a mac laptop. |
| 01:02.44 | goozbach | yeah, I left irc on when I went on a ride last week and my battery was dead twenty minutes later |
| 01:02.47 | bucky | save your battery |
| 01:04.07 | levi-treo | I've got a bit left, but I can see it draining. |
| 01:07.49 | Maquis | levi-treo: you didn't want to sit through a VB class??? :) |
| 01:09.27 | levi-treo | Hey, Maquis! |
| 01:09.36 | Maquis | levi-treo: sup? |
| 01:10.16 | levi-treo | I don't wan't to sit through a Java class, either... |
| 01:10.43 | levi-treo | Least of 3 evils. :) |
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| 01:11.26 | levi-treo | Yo, tensai. |
| 01:12.28 | tensai | levi-treo: sup |
| 01:12.56 | levi-treo | Java class. |
| 01:14.05 | levi-treo | Bleh. |
| 01:18.42 | tensai | what's the current topic? |
| 01:19.33 | levi-treo | The slide says 'What's Cool About Javal |
| 01:19.47 | levi-treo | Java' |
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| 01:28.08 | mheath | Eh, he shouldn't be complaining |
| 01:28.15 | mheath | A java class is nothing....tomorrow I have to sit through a 3 hour long java test! |
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| 02:29.56 | tensai | presumably the test is forthcoming |
| 02:35.54 | tensai | mace the spray or mace the medieval weapon, you take your pick |
| 02:37.25 | tensai | whatcha been up to, hoser^W Maquis? |
| 02:37.40 | Maquis | i was in cali without internet access for a week |
| 02:38.07 | Maquis | now i'm in and out of washington for 2 weeks, and then i start at amazon for the summer |
| 02:38.51 | tensai | wow. rowing boats, wrestling crocodiles, catching monkeys... what's the job? |
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| 02:40.46 | Maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 02:41.07 | tensai | mmm... donuts |
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| 02:41.34 | tensai | so, anyway, what's the job? |
| 02:41.41 | Maquis | amazon.com |
| 02:41.54 | tensai | yeah, I guessed that being based in WA and all |
| 02:42.03 | Maquis | yeah |
| 02:42.06 | Maquis | coding |
| 02:42.12 | tensai | VB again? |
| 02:42.13 | Maquis | not quite sure what... |
| 02:42.16 | Maquis | nope |
| 02:42.18 | Maquis | no vb |
| 02:42.19 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:42.33 | tensai | so you must have /some/ idea then |
| 02:50.35 | Maquis | tensai: not really... i just know that their systems run linux, and i'm likely to be doing C/C++ or perl or something along that line... |
| 02:50.55 | tensai | do you know what division you're working in? |
| 02:51.14 | Maquis | yeah... it's called items and offers |
| 02:51.33 | tensai | nope, that doesn't help much |
| 02:51.43 | Maquis | yeah... it really doesn't |
| 02:52.06 | tensai | do you get free books? |
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| 02:54.05 | Maquis | i don't think i get any type of discount |
| 02:56.09 | Maquis | every minute? |
| 02:56.15 | Maquis | i only do it every 10 minutes |
| 02:57.08 | goozbach | I forgot to switch the cron job, I started it every minute to see that it was working correctly |
| 02:57.11 | misterpull | yowzers... i've got a solid black background |
| 02:57.47 | tensai | misterpull: sure you didn't just close your eyes? |
| 02:57.58 | misterpull | hehe... yeah. sometimes I make it blue |
| 02:58.17 | goozbach | I cycle through a lot of webcomic-extras backgrounds, not to mention I have every picture from digitalblasphemy |
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| 03:04.34 | goozbach | mary jane? |
| 03:05.21 | Maquis | i don't know what it was... |
| 03:05.28 | Maquis | well, i remember *what* it was |
| 03:05.35 | Maquis | but i don't know the name of it |
| 03:05.58 | misterpull | I assume smack == whack up side the head in this context? |
| 03:06.07 | misterpull | and not smack == kiss |
| 03:06.25 | Maquis | misterpull: correct |
| 03:07.38 | goozbach | http://www.applegeeks.com/downloads/ |
| 03:07.50 | goozbach | the mary jane wallpaper towards the bottom |
| 03:08.15 | misterpull | <shrug> could be _way_ worse |
| 03:09.09 | Maquis | goozbach: i don't think that was the one... but i don't remember exactly |
| 03:09.23 | Maquis | misterpull: you're correct that it could be worse... but still.... :) |
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| 03:11.04 | misterpull | arrghhh... spam on my pager |
| 03:11.20 | Maquis | misterpull: that sucks |
| 03:11.32 | misterpull | sucks worse when i'm sleeping |
| 03:11.42 | misterpull | sucks even more when it wakes my kids |
| 03:11.53 | Maquis | true |
| 03:12.10 | misterpull | indeed it sucks :) |
| 03:12.22 | Maquis | how old are the kids? |
| 03:12.28 | misterpull | 10 months |
| 03:12.37 | misterpull | (both of them :-) ) |
| 03:12.55 | Maquis | ah... yeah... that's a bad age to be waking up in the middle of the night |
| 03:13.07 | Maquis | boys, girls or one of each? |
| 03:13.11 | misterpull | one of each |
| 03:13.22 | Maquis | so not identical twins :) |
| 03:13.37 | mheath | Mmmm.... |
| 03:13.37 | misterpull | you'd be surprised how many people ask that |
| 03:13.43 | misterpull | (including educated people) |
| 03:13.47 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:13.56 | misterpull | (including practicing doctors!) |
| 03:14.03 | mheath | Just got it |
| 03:14.18 | Maquis | misterpull: yeah... see... my dad's an ob/gyn, so he kinda knows how all that stuff works :) |
| 03:14.22 | misterpull | mheath: where did you score the duron? |
| 03:14.55 | mheath | misterpull, I have an unpaid internship that I go to during school hours. I offered to stay longer in exchange for some used hardware |
| 03:15.08 | misterpull | not bad... almost free |
| 03:15.16 | mheath | IT was a pain, though. I went through a lot of broken stuff before I found some that actually worked |
| 03:15.50 | mheath | Its the fastest box I've ever owned, though |
| 03:16.04 | mheath | and now the fastest desktop in the house is mine |
| 03:16.11 | misterpull | heheh... save your pennies. |
| 03:17.01 | mheath | misterpull, I have a job now, and some spare money. I plan on buying a $3,000 computer in about a year. |
| 03:17.15 | misterpull | yowzers... |
| 03:17.19 | misterpull | save your pennies |
| 03:17.27 | SpecialK | I'd save the money for college |
| 03:17.39 | misterpull | you can get 95% of the performance of a $3K machine for 50% of the money |
| 03:17.52 | Maquis | i don't think that a 3000$ computer is worthwhile |
| 03:18.05 | misterpull | (unless someone else buys it for you) |
| 03:18.15 | mheath | misterpull, I'm talking about a mac powerbook :) |
| 03:18.21 | SpecialK | tis true |
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| 03:18.45 | misterpull | mheath: you a senior? |
| 03:18.49 | mheath | misterpull, junior |
| 03:19.07 | Maquis | i'd say that 2400 is the most i'd pay for a laptop... |
| 03:19.11 | Maquis | but then again.... |
| 03:19.11 | misterpull | lds? mission bound? </uug mode> |
| 03:19.39 | mheath | misterpull, haha, nope, not morman |
| 03:19.42 | mheath | *mormon |
| 03:20.01 | misterpull | (no offense intended... lots of BYU students hang out here) |
| 03:20.15 | JoshH | and byu alumni |
| 03:20.31 | JoshH | it seems like 90 percent of this channel is from BYU and utah county actually |
| 03:20.38 | JoshH | during the day especially |
| 03:20.42 | misterpull | I couldn't endorse someone dropping 3K on a notebook months before a 2 year vacation :) |
| 03:20.56 | JoshH | can you not have laptops on a mission? |
| 03:21.00 | SpecialK | no |
| 03:21.06 | JoshH | jeez |
| 03:21.10 | SpecialK | unless you're a senior missionary |
| 03:24.38 | JoshH | i dont think any religion out there is right for me, but im hesitant to call myself an atheist. |
| 03:25.09 | JoshH | i dont think the universe, life, etc just randomly happened, but i cant see the "truth" possibly being remotely close to what any organized religion believes. |
| 03:25.52 | JoshH | and i have thought about it, a lot |
| 03:30.51 | goozbach | stupid goozbach |
| 03:31.10 | goozbach | when you hit your head against the wall for 3 days, time to check google |
| 03:31.27 | misterpull | heheh... share so we don't make the same mistake |
| 03:31.28 | Maquis | what'd you hit your head against the wall for 3 days about? |
| 03:31.42 | mheath | JoshH, my thoughts are similar |
| 03:31.50 | mheath | hence the reason I'm budhist :) |
| 03:32.04 | mheath | *buddhist |
| 03:32.22 | goozbach | well, the latest version of alsa has a cool new feature for sensing headphones and line-out jacks |
| 03:33.00 | goozbach | ac97 on my thinkpad isn't compatable with this feature |
| 03:33.48 | Maquis | uh huh... |
| 03:34.02 | goozbach | so I upgraded to the latest version, fired up alsamixer and un-muted all the settings (including headphone-sense, and jack-sense) |
| 03:34.03 | JoshH | mheath: i mean if you think about it, what is the difference between modern religion, and greek mythology. both are simply means to explain the unexplained. now that science is more advanced, nobody believes in zeus anymore. I think a thousand or two thousand years from now, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and other "modern" religions will be similarly obsolete. |
| 03:34.12 | goozbach | which I shouldn't have done |
| 03:34.31 | goozbach | muting those two settings is all that's needed to fix it. |
| 03:34.39 | Maquis | haha |
| 03:35.06 | misterpull | goozbach: that's not as bad as my screwup.... |
| 03:35.17 | Maquis | ooh!!! |
| 03:35.20 | Maquis | more stories!! |
| 03:35.25 | goozbach | so I've been un-installing and re-installing alsa alsa-lib from a multiple of different sources |
| 03:35.34 | misterpull | i managed to install a whole batch of spyware and viruses on my home computer the other day |
| 03:35.41 | Maquis | misterpull: how? |
| 03:35.44 | goozbach | thinking that it was a problem with the package |
| 03:35.56 | misterpull | I wanted to "trial" the pro version of an app and "borrowed" a copy |
| 03:36.09 | misterpull | and.... whammmo |
| 03:36.10 | goozbach | checking google I find a large list of people having the same problem |
| 03:36.35 | misterpull | it's taken two days, 3 spyware apps, and two virus scanners to be rid of it |
| 03:36.45 | misterpull | (i'll give 3 guesses what OS i'm running) |
| 03:36.46 | mheath | JoshH, exactly the reason buddhism and similar teachings are growing in popularity. |
| 03:37.31 | JoshH | what attracts you to buddhism? |
| 03:37.43 | JoshH | misterpull: linux? |
| 03:37.56 | JoshH | tiger? |
| 03:38.02 | misterpull | bzzt |
| 03:38.04 | JoshH | oh, wait |
| 03:38.05 | misterpull | bzzzt |
| 03:38.06 | JoshH | windows? |
| 03:38.12 | misterpull | DING DING DING! |
| 03:38.26 | mheath | JoshH, the teachings, and the fact that many sects don't press you into faith-based beliefs like dieties or afterlifes. |
| 03:38.26 | misterpull | BUT... here is the worst part |
| 03:39.00 | misterpull | I realized my error the second I opened the cracked^W....errr... evaluation file |
| 03:39.11 | misterpull | and thought.... oh no.... here comes the spyware |
| 03:39.25 | Maquis | ~mock misterpull |
| 03:39.27 | ibot | ACTION pulls misterpull's pants down and shows the world misterpull's pink spotted underwear |
| 03:39.28 | misterpull | and MS's antispyware product is pretty good |
| 03:39.38 | Maquis | misterpull: how? |
| 03:39.47 | misterpull | so I minimize Firefox and open IE |
| 03:39.56 | misterpull | and the Icons start showing up on my desktop |
| 03:40.10 | misterpull | and the flood of pop-ups come in |
| 03:40.18 | JoshH | ya, i actually have noticed that the ms antispyware seems to remove a lot of crap that spybot/adaware dont |
| 03:40.32 | misterpull | (MS bought it... didn't make it) |
| 03:40.50 | JoshH | still, its a useful thing to have when a customers computer is barely useable |
| 03:41.19 | misterpull | yeah. it is a good product... I wish the antivirus vendors just treated all malware like viruses |
| 03:41.35 | misterpull | but I guess they can break it into two products and charge twice as much |
| 03:42.27 | mheath | JoshH, spyware and adaware do the job as far as I'm concerned |
| 03:42.40 | mheath | They're two of our standard cleanup tools at work |
| 03:42.42 | JoshH | im surprised that symantec, mcafee, etc dont already have 70 dollar antispyware apps out |
| 03:43.01 | JoshH | mheath: i used to think they were enough too, but when i tried the ms app i was pretty impressed. |
| 03:43.43 | JoshH | with adaware sometimes it will scan, reboot, run right after booting, delete more stuff, then you reboot again, run adaware again, and it still finds 170 things. |
| 03:44.04 | JoshH | the ms app permanently got rid of most of those when i tried it |
| 03:44.15 | Maquis | JoshH: i think most people A) don't realize that they have adware/spyware, and B) don't care |
| 03:44.36 | JoshH | thats true |
| 03:44.49 | Maquis | at least they don't care enough to pay money for software to remove the stuff |
| 03:44.54 | JoshH | they just let their computer keep getting worse and worse until they run it into the ground, then they want it fixed. |
| 03:44.59 | misterpull | i'm in love with Photoshop Elements for photo managements |
| 03:45.12 | misterpull | if there was a linux equiv, i'd switch my home pc over |
| 03:45.17 | JoshH | Maquis: heh, where i work we let customers bring their computers in to have it fixed for free sometimes |
| 03:45.19 | Maquis | i've seen computers that were practically unusable from the stuff, and the owner was just like "oh... that always happens... just ignore it" |
| 03:45.26 | JoshH | i always tell customers to buy me pizza or something though anyway |
| 03:45.30 | misterpull | yeah. i helped a neighbor |
| 03:45.38 | misterpull | she had a 1280 x 1024 screen |
| 03:45.45 | JoshH | and they usually do |
| 03:45.51 | misterpull | and there was about 420x280 of space in IE |
| 03:46.02 | misterpull | the rest was "toolbars" and "search apps" |
| 03:46.09 | misterpull | it was comical |
| 03:46.11 | Maquis | i do free computer fixing rather consistently... occasionally i get some free food out of it.... one of these days, i'm going to start charging... |
| 03:46.28 | mheath | My biggest problem lately has been a couple viruses that toy with the windows update stuff |
| 03:46.57 | misterpull | barts winpe + adaware + virus scanner is sweet |
| 03:47.14 | mheath | They modified permissions on registry keys so several dlls important to windows update couldn't initialize (they tried to access/modify these keys) |
| 03:47.14 | JoshH | i dont know of any other ISP that fixes them for free. the only caveats to customers are A: we expect food, like pizza or donuts, and B: we only work on them when we have downtime and there isnt much else to do, so they usually have to leave it with us for at least 24 hours, sometimes more. |
| 03:47.45 | mheath | JoshH, lucky! |
| 03:47.48 | mheath | I work at Superior Computers |
| 03:47.53 | mheath | It's a zoo. |
| 03:47.53 | Maquis | yeah... that's still a pretty sweet deal, though |
| 03:48.37 | Maquis | my main condition is "no guarantees: i will try to fix it, but i am not responsible if A) it doesn't get fixed, or B) it ends up worse... |
| 03:48.47 | JoshH | mheath: see, an actual shop is different. at the ISP i work at, we just figure if a customer cant get online becuase of spyware, its better to have them just drop their box off and have us fix it for free than to refer them to an OEM and make them feel like a nuisance. |
| 03:49.05 | JoshH | especially because of all the people out there with win98 hand me down boxes who dont even have a CD |
| 03:49.14 | misterpull | joshh... what isp? (if you don't mind my asking) |
| 03:49.19 | JoshH | arosnet |
| 03:49.38 | misterpull | aros is cool... i've been an xmission users since the stone ages |
| 03:50.14 | mheath | JoshH, my favorite is windows xp users who password protect their accounts and don't leave you a password |
| 03:50.27 | mheath | (including the administrator account, so you can't remove passwords in safe mode) |
| 03:50.54 | JoshH | ya, i always ask people if there is a password when they drop it off. |
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| 03:51.47 | JoshH | customers like it a lot, they say "i can bring it in? how much will you charge?" and when i say "just bring us a dozen krispy kremes and we will call it good", they love it |
| 03:52.01 | misterpull | that is sweet |
| 03:52.25 | mheath | JoshH, the biggest problem with where I work..... |
| 03:52.33 | mheath | All the computers we sell have lifetime service warranties. |
| 03:52.47 | mheath | So people bring their computers in for *every* *little* *thing* |
| 03:52.58 | JoshH | ya, that would get old |
| 03:53.21 | misterpull | mheath: you are too young to remember the truly hellish days of tech support |
| 03:53.29 | misterpull | I worked for packard bell |
| 03:53.32 | mheath | (By the way, if you need a new computer ever, get it from Superior Computers. Good prices, and our warranties are amazing: 4 year parts, lifetime labor) |
| 03:53.34 | misterpull | before plug and play |
| 03:53.54 | mheath | misterpull, hahaha, I feel so sorry for you |
| 03:53.56 | JoshH | i have a lot of friends who used to work there |
| 03:54.08 | JoshH | they remind me of holocaust survivors |
| 03:54.10 | misterpull | it was good experience |
| 03:54.20 | misterpull | i learned a lot |
| 03:54.26 | misterpull | too bad most of it is worthless now |
| 03:54.30 | misterpull | NT is a blessing |
| 03:54.36 | mheath | misterpull, but I too have spent hours searching on the internet for drivers because someone brought in a computer with an ancient modem+sound ISA card |
| 03:54.37 | JoshH | my first tech support job was for @home at convergys in like 99 |
| 03:54.40 | JoshH | i didnt learn anything |
| 03:54.59 | JoshH | except for how crappy cable modem service was back then |
| 03:55.06 | misterpull | heheh... |
| 03:55.34 | mheath | misterpull-away, bye. |
| 03:55.51 | JoshH | i think im going to watch a star wars dvd tonight |
| 03:55.57 | mheath | Which one? |
| 03:55.59 | JoshH | i have to see them all again before episode 3 |
| 03:56.02 | JoshH | a new hope |
| 03:56.04 | JoshH | ill go in order |
| 03:56.09 | JoshH | from 4-6, then 1-2 |
| 03:56.33 | JoshH | i mainly just need to get my girlfriend to watch it, because i want her to completely understand whats going on in episode 3 |
| 03:56.39 | JoshH | personally ive got them all memorized |
| 03:56.47 | JoshH | like any man should |
| 03:57.48 | JoshH | ack |
| 03:57.50 | JoshH | um |
| 03:58.06 | JoshH | i mean any human, not any man |
| 03:58.12 | JoshH | my h and u keys dont work too well |
| 03:58.31 | Maquis | uh huh |
| 03:58.53 | JoshH | wat, yo dont believe me? |
| 03:58.56 | JoshH | :P |
| 03:59.38 | Maquis | :) |
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| 04:32.14 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 04:35.48 | goozbach | howdy |
| 04:37.10 | tensai | hola |
| 04:39.31 | LeviHome | Good evening. |
| 04:40.27 | LeviHome | Maquis: Have you started your intership yet? |
| 04:40.32 | LeviHome | internship, rather. |
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| 04:54.33 | Maquis | LeviHome: not yet |
| 04:54.39 | Maquis | may 16 |
| 04:56.38 | LeviHome | Cool, that's coming up soon. |
| 04:56.42 | LeviHome | I'm in school again. |
| 04:56.51 | LeviHome | Taking night classes at UVSC. |
| 04:56.53 | Maquis | fun... i think |
| 04:57.20 | LeviHome | Not really fun, but it's good in a not-so-fun kind of way. |
| 04:57.25 | Maquis | yeah |
| 04:57.55 | Maquis | i'm excited to start work, but also excited that i won't start til a bit after my birthday |
| 05:03.58 | Hhhhh | hey, I need some help with gcc |
| 05:04.12 | LeviHome | What sort of help? |
| 05:04.56 | Hhhhh | i'm running FC3, it comes with gcc 3.4.2, but I need 3.3.3. I was looking and it seems that I can specify the version of gcc to use if I have the libraries installed |
| 05:05.03 | Hhhhh | how do I install 3.3.3? |
| 05:06.00 | LeviHome | I thought you needed gcc help. That's FC3 help. |
| 05:07.15 | tensai | why 3.3.3? |
| 05:08.38 | tensai | LeviHome: what's the objective of the java class? |
| 05:08.48 | Hhhhh | i'm trying to compile some code that was outputed by bison (lexx, yacc), and it compiles fine in FC2 or Cygwin (which have gcc 3.3.3), but at home I run FC3, and I'm getting compile errors |
| 05:09.10 | LeviHome | tensai: Why am I taking it, or why is it taught? |
| 05:09.14 | Maquis | Hhhhh: what types of compile errors? |
| 05:09.31 | Maquis | there are plenty of other reasos why it might not be compiling |
| 05:09.39 | tensai | LeviHome: well, both are probably interesting questions. I was wondering what the course is supposed to cover. |
| 05:09.54 | Hhhhh | g++ -ggdb -c -o prolog.tab.o prolog.tab.c |
| 05:09.54 | Hhhhh | prolog.tab.c: In function `int prolog_parse(void*)': |
| 05:09.54 | Hhhhh | prolog.tab.c:1127: error: invalid types `int[int]' for array subscript |
| 05:09.54 | Hhhhh | make: *** [prolog.tab.o] Error 1 |
| 05:10.00 | Hhhhh | i'm working on CS 470 |
| 05:10.06 | LeviHome | tensai: Not sure exactly at this point. I'm taking it as a requirement for the CS degree at UVSC. |
| 05:10.08 | Hhhhh | this is the code for the prolog parser |
| 05:11.00 | Maquis | hmmm what's prolog.tab.c:1127, out of curiosity? |
| 05:11.01 | tensai | LeviHome: that seems a little odd and concerning that a course doesn't have clearly defined objectives |
| 05:11.22 | Hhhhh | it has some macros that were defined by yacc |
| 05:11.40 | Hhhhh | i'm not changing the code (I don't care about bison/yacc/flex) |
| 05:11.50 | Hhhhh | i just need to install gcc 3.3.3 |
| 05:11.56 | Maquis | i'm just curious what the code is that it's complaining about... |
| 05:12.11 | tensai | ~lart Dr. Phil |
| 05:12.19 | LeviHome | tensai: Well, it does, but I don't have the syllabus handy to quote from, and the best I could say without reading it is something like the core language and some of the most frequently used classes. |
| 05:12.40 | Maquis | i have no idea how to get fc3 to install 3.3.3 --- if you were on gentoo, it's not hard at all (assuming i'm not missing something) |
| 05:12.43 | LeviHome | tensai: Nothing particularly interesting. |
| 05:13.44 | tensai | LeviHome: are you trying to finish your degree? |
| 05:13.52 | Maquis | someone else might know how to do it... i'm not a fc-user, though |
| 05:13.52 | LeviHome | tensai: Yup. |
| 05:13.58 | tensai | how long? |
| 05:14.04 | LeviHome | tensai: Too long. |
| 05:14.10 | tensai | too true |
| 05:14.34 | LeviHome | At least a couple of years, depending on how many classes I can pack into the evenings. |
| 05:15.39 | Maquis | Hhhhh: my guess is that gcc 3.3.3 allowed something that would generally be considered sloppy / non-standard C, and the version you have is a bit more strict.... |
| 05:15.49 | Maquis | that's why i was curious what the line is |
| 05:17.25 | LeviHome | I'm now trying to figure out whether I should get an iBook or a Powerbook. |
| 05:20.26 | SpecialK_ | LeviHome: I was also considering that question |
| 05:20.56 | LeviHome | I may have to wait a bit if I get an iBook, as they're about due for a refresh. |
| 05:21.08 | tensai | Acer has a new line of uber-cheap laptops loaded with Linspire. You can tell me you're passing that up. |
| 05:21.30 | LeviHome | I don't want a crappy laptop. |
| 05:21.44 | SpecialK_ | with wireless and quality components? |
| 05:22.12 | tensai | SpecialK_: obviously not. that's the fun of it! the troubleshooting, the endless hours on hold with tech support! |
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| 05:23.10 | tensai | and my wife tells me I can't be serious for 5 minutes. go figure. |
| 05:26.40 | SpecialK_ | Who makes a quality linux compatible laptop? |
| 05:26.47 | Maquis | ibm |
| 05:27.01 | SpecialK_ | that isn't really ugly |
| 05:27.30 | Maquis | the more i look at it, it seems less ugly... |
| 05:27.45 | Maquis | i think i'll have one in a few months :) |
| 05:28.15 | SpecialK_ | I'll need to make a decision by the time I get my first paychecki. |
| 05:32.40 | SpecialK_ | considering my ability to break linux so far, the mac books have a very strong appeal for me. |
| 05:33.15 | goozbach | the T series ibm |
| 05:33.25 | goozbach | it is NOT ugly |
| 05:33.28 | Maquis | SpecialK_: *your* ability to break linux? |
| 05:33.44 | goozbach | it's well put together |
| 05:34.01 | Maquis | goozbach: the T series is a bit more expensive than the R series for pretty much the same features |
| 05:34.01 | LeviHome | Hmm. The Mac laptops can be had for less, too. |
| 05:34.14 | LeviHome | (than the T series) |
| 05:34.28 | Maquis | that's why i'm leaning toward the R-series... |
| 05:34.48 | Maquis | LeviHome: the mac laptops aren't nearly as customizable from what i've seen... |
| 05:34.50 | goozbach | Maquis: the diference lays in the size/performance |
| 05:35.00 | LeviHome | I can hopefully offset the price of a Mac laptop by selling my eMac. |
| 05:35.03 | goozbach | I'm glad I sprung for the T series |
| 05:35.13 | LeviHome | I wouldn't want to get rid of my eMac if I didn't get another Mac. |
| 05:35.27 | goozbach | it's so much better to not be lugging around a 10-15lb laptop |
| 05:35.27 | LeviHome | Anyone want a 1Ghz eMac? :) |
| 05:37.29 | Hhhhh | me! |
| 05:37.44 | LeviHome | You'd have to buy it, of course. |
| 05:37.52 | Hhhhh | how much? |
| 05:38.08 | Hhhhh | I'm not into Macs, but my dad is |
| 05:38.08 | LeviHome | I'll have to see what a fair price is. |
| 05:38.49 | goozbach | gaaahh!!! |
| 05:39.06 | goozbach | I vow never to go without internet for an entire month again |
| 05:39.14 | Maquis | goozbach: the specs i saw didn't seem to show much difference between the T and R series with performance... what was i missing? |
| 05:39.49 | goozbach | p4 vs centrino |
| 05:40.01 | goozbach | power/performance |
| 05:40.12 | Maquis | really? i didn't notice that... |
| 05:40.58 | goozbach | at least I think so |
| 05:41.13 | Maquis | interesting |
| 05:41.17 | Maquis | how is the battery life? |
| 05:41.48 | Maquis | ibm claims about 6 hours for each... |
| 05:43.58 | SpecialK_ | I was under the impression that centrino automatically ramped down voltage->speed when running on battery power. |
| 05:44.06 | LeviHome | Hhhhh: Here's the model I've got, it's the 1Ghz Combo drive w/40G hd and an additional 256MB DIMM to bring it to 512MB. |
| 05:44.17 | LeviHome | Hhhhh: http://lowendmac.com/imacs/emac2.html |
| 05:44.41 | goozbach | yup |
| 05:44.52 | goozbach | on both points |
| 05:45.05 | LeviHome | Hhhhh: Comes with 10.3 instead of 10.2, which it was originally sold with. |
| 05:45.20 | goozbach | 6hours under windows with the power settings all maxxed out |
| 05:45.38 | goozbach | haven't gotten that good of batterylife under linux yet |
| 05:45.42 | LeviHome | Hhhhh: And I've got a video out cable and changed a firmware setting to allow dual-head display. |
| 05:45.46 | Maquis | goozbach: yes... but what's it look like under linux? |
| 05:45.51 | goozbach | but 2.5-3hrs bull bore isn't bad |
| 05:45.59 | goozbach | s/bull/full/ |
| 05:46.08 | Hhhhh | LeviHome: my brother is going to buy a Mac very soon |
| 05:46.15 | Hhhhh | he was looking at the MiniMacs |
| 05:46.23 | Maquis | hmmmm that aint too bad at all... beats 1.5-2 which i get with my current laptop |
| 05:46.35 | LeviHome | Hhhhh: I'd say $550 is a pretty good deal for my eMac in its current configuration. |
| 05:46.49 | goozbach | and that's just doing some simple cpuscaling and laptopmode disk mounting |
| 05:46.59 | LeviHome | Hhhhh: I'm willing to negotiate a bit on it, though. |
| 05:47.07 | Hhhhh | hmm, I'll talk to my brother, I know he was looking at MiniMacs for $500 |
| 05:47.52 | LeviHome | Hhhhh: That's a good deal if you already have a monitor, keyboard, etc. |
| 05:53.00 | SpecialK_ | I don't like the powerbook keyboard layout, especially the necessity of using function to get page up and down , as well as F3 being mapped to mute, which cramps my style in firefox. |
| 05:53.37 | LeviHome | I would use an external keyboard and mouse at home, and possibly an external monitor as well. |
| 05:55.07 | SpecialK_ | I'm waiting for Dell to sell 1905FP's at $320 again. |
| 05:56.20 | SpecialK_ | I'm using my dad's 15" powerbook and it's too big. I'm a notebook guy for portability reasons. If I need power I'll use a desktop. |
| 05:59.45 | LeviHome | Yeah, I'm looking at 12" ones. |
| 06:02.10 | SpecialK_ | For reference, occasionally after a couple of days of use, the wireless may stop working until you restart it. |
| 06:06.46 | SpecialK_ | http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05123/497993.stm |
| 06:16.20 | goozbach | http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php |
| 06:35.55 | LeviHome | Okay, I think I'm going to get a 12" iBook with Combo drive and Airport Extreme, then add a 1Gb SODIMM. |
| 06:45.10 | SpecialK_ | Is it just Suse or do most *nix's say "The system is down" before turning off? |
| 06:47.10 | Maquis | "This system will be going down for reboot"? |
| 06:47.50 | Maquis | i think that's due to the fact that it's a multi-user system, and a lot of times it is used for servers that people would be connected remotely to... |
| 06:48.21 | Maquis | thus, there could be multiple people on the machine, and one person shuts it down --- it needs to warn the rest of the people... |
| 06:48.31 | Maquis | that's a guess... but it makes sense to me... :) |
| 06:48.50 | SpecialK_ | It's a strong bad reference in this case that caught my attention |
| 06:50.18 | SpecialK_ | shutdown -h now |
| 07:14.21 | SpecialK_ | My neighbor had fiber hooked into his house this afternoon |
| 08:04.44 | Maquis | kjkjkj |
| 08:06.07 | Maquis | grr... |
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| 14:15.10 | levi | Good morning. |
| 14:16.55 | dataw0lf|w | morning. |
| 14:19.14 | levi | Wassup? |
| 14:20.27 | Uncle_Je1se | guz morgning |
| 14:23.15 | dataw0lf|w | levi: just working. |
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| 14:25.47 | levi | I'm having a bowl of oatmeal and a Mountain Dew. |
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| 15:07.53 | vontrapp | wireless routers: what to avoid? |
| 15:08.14 | bigdog_ut | craptiontec |
| 15:08.17 | Uncle_Jesse | anything that you can't hack |
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| 15:08.35 | Uncle_Jesse | WRT54G is the best out there IMO |
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| 15:12.09 | vontrapp | a bit more than some of the others available |
| 15:12.17 | vontrapp | how about dlink? are those any good? |
| 15:12.39 | Uncle_Jesse | never used one - not sure |
| 15:13.04 | Uncle_Jesse | WRT54G is based on Linux |
| 15:13.07 | jsmith | vontrapp: They're OK... not as nice as the Linksys ones |
| 15:13.09 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 15:13.51 | vontrapp | what kind of things would i be missing from a dlink over a linksys? |
| 15:14.14 | Uncle_Jesse | Linux |
| 15:14.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I think there might be some hackable dlinks out there, but I'm not sure |
| 15:19.30 | tapH20guru | i have 2 wrt54gs - they rock |
| 15:20.08 | tapH20guru | dlinks have less "hackablility" |
| 15:20.42 | Uncle_Jesse | I absolutely love my linksys |
| 15:20.48 | vontrapp | what kind of things do you hack your routers to do? |
| 15:21.25 | Uncle_Jesse | Wireless Access Point, Power Boost, SSH, Linux command-line/bash shell |
| 15:21.30 | Uncle_Jesse | QoS |
| 15:21.33 | tapH20guru | anything linux can do |
| 15:21.42 | tapH20guru | nfs mount to your mp3 store :) |
| 15:21.48 | Uncle_Jesse | scp |
| 15:21.55 | tapH20guru | kismet |
| 15:22.18 | Uncle_Jesse | IPTables filtering |
| 15:22.29 | Uncle_Jesse | iptables, that is (if you're picky) |
| 15:22.48 | tapH20guru | IPsec |
| 15:22.50 | levi | What does running kismet on a WAP do for you? |
| 15:23.05 | tapH20guru | client mode |
| 15:23.09 | Uncle_Jesse | Hotspot |
| 15:23.21 | tapH20guru | kismet will let you scan |
| 15:23.52 | tapH20guru | kismet is the best 802.11 scanner sniffer |
| 15:23.59 | Uncle_Jesse | being able to boost the power is very nice |
| 15:24.02 | levi | Why do you want to scan from a WAP? |
| 15:24.08 | tapH20guru | mmm... 251 mW |
| 15:24.11 | Uncle_Jesse | I can access it all over my house because of that |
| 15:24.26 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: because it's cool |
| 15:24.56 | levi | ... why's it cool? |
| 15:25.04 | tapH20guru | levi: for me it's because my wrt is on the roof via POE... I don't have to be on the roof to scan from up there |
| 15:25.29 | levi | tapH20guru: What are you scanning /for/, though? Just to eavesdrop on neighbors? |
| 15:25.34 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 15:25.57 | tapH20guru | actaully I'm trying to find a WiFi ISP... no broadband love for me right now @home |
| 15:26.01 | tapH20guru | :9 |
| 15:26.03 | tapH20guru | :( |
| 15:26.08 | levi | Ahh. |
| 15:26.15 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: because you can't normally do that on WAPs |
| 15:26.38 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: Possibly because there's no real purpose in doing it? |
| 15:27.07 | tapH20guru | i'd say good QoS is one of the best legit reasons for modding a wrt |
| 15:27.17 | tapH20guru | especially for gaming and VOIP |
| 15:27.23 | vontrapp | won't any wireless router do WAP, isn't that the point? |
| 15:27.25 | levi | QoS sounds like a good reason. |
| 15:29.03 | vontrapp | i know the linksys craps out sometimes with the original firmware |
| 15:29.34 | vontrapp | not to argue against linksys, just that it makes me worry about another router that will crap out without an avialable firmware upgrade |
| 15:29.48 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: you can steal your neighbors' wireless by doing it :-) |
| 15:29.48 | tapH20guru | i've had no probs with mine |
| 15:30.12 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: I meant Wireless Hotspot when I said WAP |
| 15:30.36 | tapH20guru | not all WAPs have the cool features of a modded wrt |
| 15:30.37 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: never use the original Linksys firmware :-) |
| 15:30.49 | vontrapp | in my last residence, my roommate had a wrt54g, and occasionally (every few weeks) it would stop giving out dhcp addresses |
| 15:30.57 | vontrapp | i could only fix it by a hard reset |
| 15:30.59 | Uncle_Jesse | no worry about available firmware upgrades with the Linksys |
| 15:31.10 | tapH20guru | plus by using a modded wrt you have the possibility of future upgrades |
| 15:31.26 | Uncle_Jesse | or just switching to a different distro |
| 15:31.28 | levi | The wrt54g isn't even terribly expensive. |
| 15:31.37 | tapH20guru | dang cheap for what it can do |
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| 15:31.46 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - you can get them on ebay for about $20 |
| 15:31.58 | tapH20guru | brand new @walmart for $60 |
| 15:46.17 | xbmodder | cool. |
| 15:49.08 | levi | Okay, I'm pretty much set to get my iBook during lunch today. Woo. :) |
| 15:51.18 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: what screen size? |
| 15:51.42 | levi | 12" |
| 15:52.08 | Uncle_Jesse | same as mine, but probably a bit faster and with Tiger |
| 15:52.26 | levi | It's 1.22 ghz or something like that. |
| 15:52.31 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart levi for getting Tiger |
| 15:52.42 | levi | And I'm going to order a 1Gb SODIMM. |
| 15:52.53 | levi | Because 256Mb is sooooo not enough. |
| 15:52.58 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart levi for having more RAM than Uncle_Jesse |
| 15:53.12 | Uncle_Jesse | I need more RAM |
| 15:53.17 | levi | How much do you have? |
| 15:53.20 | Uncle_Jesse | 256 |
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| 15:53.29 | levi | Oh yeah, you need more. |
| 15:53.44 | Uncle_Jesse | I have to reboot my ibook every couple days |
| 15:54.22 | levi | My eMac came with 256. Adding another 256 was a huge improvement, but still insufficient when running a zillion apps, as I am wont to do. |
| 15:54.41 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Youch! So all the rumors that Apples never need to be rebooted are just rumors, eh? |
| 15:56.07 | levi | I found that just closing down all my apps would get things sped up again sufficiently. |
| 15:57.21 | levi | jsmith: I almost never reboot my eMac. |
| 15:57.32 | levi | Pretty much just for OS updates that require it. |
| 16:06.59 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: it is a laptop so I would expect it to perform not as well as a desktop |
| 16:07.34 | Uncle_Jesse | I also have Norton AV on there which may be consuming memory |
| 16:07.53 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: It's just I've heard so many people in the last week tell me "I never reboot my ibook -- I just suspend it. I've gone months without rebooting it" |
| 16:08.22 | Uncle_Jesse | I've heard that recently too - this is my only experience with a Mac though so I can't be a good witness |
| 16:08.39 | Uncle_Jesse | It is certainly more useful than my Windows machine though |
| 16:08.57 | levi | The reboot process on my eMac is fairly speedy. |
| 16:09.10 | levi | Unless there are system updates to process at boot time. |
| 16:09.13 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: My ibook as well |
| 16:09.35 | Uncle_Jesse | shutdown can take awhile depending on processes running though |
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| 16:10.10 | Uncle_Jesse | Is there a limit to number of characters that can be sent in a url through http? I didn't think there was but my coworker seems to think there is. |
| 16:10.35 | Uncle_Jesse | ie through a get request |
| 16:12.19 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: I think there is a limit on GET requests. |
| 16:12.32 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Don't remember what it is, but I'm pretty sure there's a limit |
| 16:13.14 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: any docs? I can't find any yet |
| 16:15.12 | jsmith | There used to be a limit on the length of GET requests. Now it's |
| 16:15.12 | jsmith | technically "unlimited" by spec, but individual servers are allowed to |
| 16:15.12 | jsmith | impose a limit no lower than the old limit. |
| 16:16.34 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: thanks |
| 16:16.50 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: No, thank Google |
| 16:24.49 | goozbach | hacker's prayer: http://bash.org/?128114 |
| 16:27.31 | dataw0lf|w | http://bash.org/?495887 |
| 16:28.08 | jsmith | dataw0lf|w: Good one... especially if you believe that God has a sense of humor :-) |
| 16:29.35 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
| 16:30.50 | dataw0lf|w | that's making a larger assumption that I don't feel like debating. |
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| 16:31.01 | dataw0lf|w | http://bash.org/?493363 |
| 16:36.22 | vontrapp | that last one is great |
| 16:41.26 | bigdog_ut | http://bash.org/?487185 |
| 16:44.31 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: You have a Linux dual-boot on yours? |
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| 16:47.33 | bigdog_ut | http://bash.org/?287414 |
| 16:47.48 | bigdog_ut | http://bash.org/?244321 |
| 16:51.56 | levi | It's fun to laugh at the stupid people on IRC. :) |
| 16:58.48 | jakea | <--- Stuipd People |
| 17:02.48 | hans | levi: at lunch I'll have to send you a screenshot of ruby/tk on os x |
| 17:03.19 | levi | hans: Does it not look as gross as it does in Linux? |
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| 17:05.59 | jakea | hans: Did you see Part II? |
| 17:06.05 | hans | yeah |
| 17:06.24 | hans | the whole thing was rather pointless, I think. |
| 17:06.33 | bigdog_ut | im curious what does it look like? |
| 17:06.40 | hans | it was nice to see a tie in to the tos defiant |
| 17:07.01 | hans | bigdog_ut: I'm not seeing any screenshots on tcltkaqua.sf.net, and left the laptop home |
| 17:07.27 | hans | but basically, it looks aqua |
| 17:07.31 | levi | Ooh. |
| 17:09.28 | hans | this isn't a perfect example, but it will give you an idea |
| 17:09.30 | hans | http://thor.prohosting.com/~mdoege/newsfeed/newsfeed-mac.png |
| 17:10.36 | levi | That's not nearly as bad as the Motif-look on X. |
| 17:11.03 | hans | you still have the classic braindead layout issues to deal with. it's just as easy to make a terrible (but halfway pretty) interface in tk on os x |
| 17:11.08 | hans | but at least it _can_ look nice.:) |
| 17:11.19 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: yeah, but I crashed it - need to reinstall Linux still |
| 17:11.35 | levi | I don't think I'm going to bother with dual-boot. |
| 17:11.38 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm still waiting for the Airport Express to be supported under Linux |
| 17:11.56 | Uncle_Jesse | with my laptop I can't see myself using Linux w/o wireless |
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| 17:16.04 | Uncle_Jesse | http://blogging.la/archives/2005/05/star_wars_line_7.phtml |
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| 17:27.50 | Uncle_Jesse | What do you think - my coworker is selling a new-in-box Radeon 9800 for $50 - should I buy it? |
| 17:28.13 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Depends -- do you want to use it under Linux or not? |
| 17:30.46 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: not sure - I could try to use it on either Linux or Windows - has the AIW Linux support improved any in the last little bit? |
| 17:34.33 | Uncle_Jesse | or I could just resell it on ebay for $150 |
| 17:35.05 | bigdog_ut | latter |
| 17:36.12 | Uncle_Jesse | Hey - that could be how I pay for Tiger! |
| 17:39.20 | mrpull | Uncle_Jesse: I'll give you $55 :) |
| 17:39.35 | bigdog_ut | ill give you $45 |
| 17:39.36 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 17:40.07 | mrpull | i'll throw in a voodoo3 card too |
| 17:40.07 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone else want to offer me money? |
| 17:40.29 | Uncle_Jesse | or computer hardware? |
| 17:40.32 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 17:40.47 | bigdog_ut | i got a 286 with your name on it |
| 17:41.00 | Uncle_Jesse | those will be collectors items soon |
| 17:42.08 | mrpull | is it a 256MB or 128? |
| 17:42.18 | mrpull | brand? |
| 17:44.55 | Uncle_Jesse | 128 - ATI Radeon AIW 9800 |
| 17:45.16 | Uncle_Jesse | I wasn't offering the card for your money btw - I just said I'd take your money :-) |
| 17:45.39 | mrpull | ahhh... AIW too... $50 is a great price |
| 17:45.51 | mrpull | i don't want/need AIW stuff |
| 17:46.50 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull: so you can just give me your $55 then |
| 17:47.04 | mrpull | sold! |
| 17:48.12 | mrpull | whaa? |
| 17:49.11 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull: I'm not selling anything - I'm buying it. You offered me $55 - you didn't say what it was for |
| 17:49.14 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 17:49.22 | mrpull | heheh... yeah. |
| 17:55.49 | JoshH | 50 bucks for an AIW 9800?? |
| 17:55.53 | JoshH | thats an awesome deal |
| 17:56.45 | vontrapp | i'll take it |
| 17:57.13 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - now to convince my wife to let me make the investment |
| 17:57.21 | JoshH | i have a 9800 pro, not AIW, and its a great card for gaming in windows. it works in linux too, just not as well as nvidia. but for 50 bucks, i wouldnt turn it down. |
| 17:57.25 | Uncle_Jesse | I still need to find a way to afford Tiger |
| 17:58.52 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: if you can't convince your wife, i can convince mine :) |
| 17:59.20 | JoshH | if it wasnt for women, we would all probably be broke from buying too many geek toys. |
| 17:59.22 | mheath | JoshH, do the 9800's not work with DRI? |
| 17:59.47 | JoshH | mheath: the 9800's use ATI's binary driver. it works, but it isnt quite up to par with nvidia's linux drivers. |
| 18:00.17 | JoshH | i do most of my gaming in windows, but when i need 3d in linux, i have it and its nice. |
| 18:00.19 | vontrapp | there was one (Pro or AIW) that didn't work with v4l, can't remember which it was |
| 18:00.46 | JoshH | well the AIW is the only one with TV stuff on it |
| 18:01.16 | mheath | r300.sourceforge.net ;) |
| 18:01.56 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah- I think it has digital cable in it too |
| 18:02.20 | vontrapp | ah, here it is: |
| 18:02.21 | vontrapp | NOTE: The ATI TV Wonder series and the ATI All-in-Wonder series of cards |
| 18:02.22 | vontrapp | are not the same. The All-in-Wonder cards will not work with MythTV. |
| 18:02.39 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah- I was going to mention that as well - on disadvantage |
| 18:02.51 | JoshH | mheath: have you tried that? |
| 18:03.18 | mheath | JoshH, nope. And quite frankly I've heard it doesn't even work. But it shows a lot of potential. |
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| 18:03.49 | mheath | If it's any good, chances are it will eventually be merged into the DRI tree. If not, I don't think I could ever really trust it |
| 18:04.25 | JoshH | i used to use DRI when i had a 3dfx voodoo3, but i think the latest radeon it supports is an 8500 |
| 18:04.55 | mheath | JoshH, yeah. That r300 project is an effort to bring newer radeons to DRi |
| 18:04.56 | mheath | *DRI |
| 18:05.41 | JoshH | i dont know if i would bother though, the ATI binary driver has improved quite a bit over the last couple years. |
| 18:06.23 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - ATI is starting to finally cooperate and help out |
| 18:09.28 | tapH20guru | ATI sitll isn't there like nvidia when it comes to bleeding edge stuff like xcomp, etc |
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| 18:29.05 | jakea | hans: Pointless! *gasp* |
| 18:30.01 | hans | so what was the point? |
| 18:30.36 | hans | they get defiant and dramatic changes in government and technology take place in ana lternate universe |
| 18:30.39 | hans | so? |
| 18:31.27 | hans | you could mention that in passing. no need to spend two of the last five episodes on it |
| 18:32.01 | jakea | well, I thought it was fun |
| 18:32.22 | jakea | Season 1 DVDs came out yesterday |
| 18:32.39 | hans | it was also oversexed, and had no protagonists |
| 18:34.07 | jakea | um, it's the mirror universe, of course it's oversexed |
| 18:34.15 | hans | but I liked the defiant and how they changed the opening |
| 18:34.30 | jakea | ya, CGI TOS ship was cool |
| 18:34.38 | hans | of course, I didn't say it wouldn't be oversexed in the alternate universe. just that there was no point in going there, really. |
| 18:34.58 | jakea | for fun ;) |
| 18:35.19 | dataw0lf|w | anyone here used Bacula before? |
| 18:36.15 | jakea | Scot Bacula? |
| 18:36.17 | jakea | +t |
| 18:36.43 | hans | yes, well that's why people watch america's top model too. |
| 18:36.53 | jakea | heh, ya |
| 18:37.37 | jakea | what I really wanted them to do was do have some episode, but use TOS soundtrack music for it.... for fun |
| 18:37.39 | hans | i'm sadistically looking forward to the final episode(s) that she said were so terrible |
| 18:39.55 | jakea | I'm considering the next to eps that Coto had his fingers in to be the finale, and the other thing that Berman wrote to be some sort of Mirror Universe torcher device |
| 18:40.11 | bonez41 | I am going to attempt to burn a new debian install cd....any suggestions on solid burner app? |
| 18:41.28 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez41: do you specialize in just backs, or do you do homeopathic remedies as well? |
| 18:41.52 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez41: I've always used xcdroast btw |
| 18:44.03 | dataw0lf|w | cdrecord! |
| 18:44.07 | hans | jakea: heh |
| 18:44.54 | bonez41 | Uncle_Jesse: I am primarily a chiropractor....specializing in adjusting...hands-on spinal adjusting...I have others I refer out to for homeopathic remedies, and such..... |
| 18:45.17 | bonez41 | dataw0lf: I just have an iso and want to burn to disc...... |
| 18:45.38 | mheath | Yeah! ftp://sunsite.dk/projects/deskos/deskos/deskos-current/ It lives! I'm hoping to have something bootable by Saturday. |
| 18:45.54 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez41: cool - I saw a Chiropractor here in VA about my acid reflux - she cured it completely through homeopathy and accupuncture |
| 18:46.36 | bonez41 | Uncle_Jesse: always glad to hear something like that.... |
| 18:46.54 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez41: I've been having lower-back pains though and my family practitioner says it's just inflamed and just to take advil or aleve to reduce the inflamation and pain - is that the only way to fix it? |
| 18:48.29 | bonez41 | Uncle_Jesse: I'd certainly differ with your family MD...pain is NOT normal..it's a huge sign, a blaring horn that says "Something is not working or moving correctly...fix me..." ...I'd get in to see your chiro....get adjusted once ina while..to keep it moving better |
| 18:49.30 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez41: funny thing is my chiro doesn't really do adjustments - just weird therapies like laser, accupuncter, etc. - I'll probably have to see another chiro |
| 18:50.27 | tapH20guru | anyone reccomend an FOSS cd/dvd burner softwear for windows |
| 18:50.34 | bonez41 | that's odd....chiropractic, at least in my book is....you discuss your pain, and problems...and then he/she has you lie down and applies various forces...high velocity low amplitude thrusts at your spine to realign it, and assure it's moving correctly |
| 18:50.42 | tapH20guru | if you say k3b on cygwin.. I'll kill you |
| 18:51.45 | Uncle_Jesse | tapH20guru: Nero is my favorite for Windows |
| 18:51.54 | tapH20guru | nero is not free |
| 18:52.03 | mrpull | tapH20guru: xpcdburner pro |
| 18:52.24 | tapH20guru | mrpull: hmm... never heard of that one |
| 18:52.44 | Uncle_Jesse | bonez41: yeah - I think she just holds the title of chiro now - she's pretty much moved on to alternative medicine techniques |
| 18:52.45 | mrpull | http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ |
| 18:52.51 | mrpull | free... probably not Free |
| 18:52.58 | Uncle_Jesse | she fixed my acid reflux though and got me off the medicine I was on for it |
| 18:53.00 | tapH20guru | that's ok |
| 18:53.06 | mrpull | http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ |
| 18:53.16 | Uncle_Jesse | tapH20guru: it's free if you get it w/ your cd burner |
| 18:53.54 | tapH20guru | Uncle_Jesse: yeah yeah :) |
| 18:54.33 | tapH20guru | I just need something to throw on my essential extrawindows apps CD that I carry with me |
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| 18:55.45 | tapH20guru | mrpul: thx... looks cool |
| 18:56.01 | mrpull | i've used an older version with little trouble |
| 18:56.18 | mrpull | the interface is so/so, but it gets the job done.... without buying (stealing) software |
| 18:57.00 | tapH20guru | exactly what I was looking for |
| 18:57.43 | Uncle_Jesse | I think nero has a trial version |
| 18:57.46 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
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| 19:04.16 | Newsome | ~lart spammers |
| 19:04.34 | Newsome | ~lart spammer students |
| 19:06.49 | Uncle_Jesse | ~spam Newsome |
| 19:06.51 | ibot | you should get a hotmail account to spam Newsome |
| 19:07.16 | Newsome | hmm |
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| 19:14.22 | levi | Yay, I have my iBook. |
| 19:15.51 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart levi's ibook |
| 19:20.34 | levi | Doesn't have Tiger on it yet, though. |
| 19:22.58 | levi | Ack, it's not recognizing my password. |
| 19:24.15 | Uncle_Jesse | levi: better format and put Tiger on then so you can fix your password :-) |
| 19:24.33 | Uncle_Jesse | make sure you set up 2 partitions so you can have dual boot should you choose |
| 19:25.28 | levi | Uncle_Jesse: I don't want to dual boot. |
| 19:26.04 | levi | I realized I typed a different password than I thought I did when I set it up. |
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| 19:28.18 | hans | levi: congrats! |
| 19:29.03 | levi | I now own an iPod Shuffle, too. |
| 19:29.37 | levi | This thing is miniscule. |
| 19:32.11 | hans | levi: be sure to read this if you haven't already: http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars |
| 19:34.47 | tensai | Newsome: was that a general curse on the spammer population or was it prompted by a specific action? |
| 19:35.52 | tensai | levi: weren't you just yesterday debating buying one? how did you get it so quickly? is there a mac store there? |
| 19:36.45 | levi | UVSC bookstore. |
| 19:37.57 | tensai | ah. school bookstores: the unofficial mac stores. |
| 19:42.12 | levi | They bundled the Shuffle with the Combo drive 12" iBook for the same price as the online Apple Store w/edu discount. |
| 19:43.27 | tapH20guru | wow - that Ars article is very well done. |
| 19:45.57 | tensai | dataw0lf: I've investigated bacula but haven't had a chance to try it yet. We looked at Amanda too but it requires an entire backup to fit on one tape, whereas Bacula can span tapes. |
| 19:48.16 | Bradipo | I thought Amanda could split across multpile tapes using a tape library... |
| 19:49.05 | tensai | not that I've been able to discover. would be nice if it could. |
| 19:49.12 | Bradipo | http://www.amanda.org/docs/tapechangers.html |
| 19:49.23 | Bradipo | I'm not super familiar with how amanda works. |
| 19:49.46 | Bradipo | So maybe this is not even relevant, but it seems that it at least knows about tape changers. |
| 19:50.19 | tapH20guru | anyone here use the HD-3000? thoughts? |
| 19:50.24 | tapH20guru | http://www.pchdtv.com/ |
| 19:51.28 | jsmith | tapH20guru: Talk to bbeattie |
| 19:51.59 | tensai | "image span / multiple tape" is on the wishlist |
| 19:54.21 | tensai | aha. it's addressed at http://www.amanda.org/docs/topten.html under the heading "the size-question" |
| 19:55.06 | tensai | the solution is to split your backup set into multiple dumps so that each fits on a tape |
| 19:55.34 | tapH20guru | backula looks better... but I've never used it |
| 19:56.01 | jsmith | tapH20guru: So try it and let me know how it works. |
| 19:56.03 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 19:56.12 | goozbach | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/images/comics/20050504.jpg may not be sfw pg-13 |
| 19:56.32 | jsmith | goozbach: Thanks for the warning -- I don't wanna get fired today |
| 19:58.31 | tensai | jsmith: be sure to let goozbach know the day, though. I'm sure he'd love to help. |
| 19:59.49 | Newsome | tensai: specific action. Some student set up his machine at home to relay email through our server, but it became an open relay. |
| 20:00.52 | goozbach | oh yea |
| 20:01.06 | goozbach | if you need help getting fired I'm your man |
| 20:01.14 | tensai | Newsome: I wish you the best with your curse. may your vengeance be met swiftly and painfully on spammers everywhere. |
| 20:03.26 | vontrapp | ~praise imms |
| 20:03.28 | ibot | All hail imms! |
| 20:04.43 | levi | My Tiger media should be on its way soon. |
| 20:24.33 | goozbach | WTF!!! |
| 20:24.46 | goozbach | since when does SUSE==Windows ? |
| 20:25.01 | goozbach | yast nis is showing the following dialog: |
| 20:25.31 | goozbach | "Warning: The domain has changed. You must reboot for the changes to take effect." |
| 20:26.05 | levi | Heh. |
| 20:38.24 | hans | Bradipo: I think it's that amanda can't split a file across tapes |
| 20:38.33 | hans | so if you have a file bigger than your tapes, you're screwed |
| 20:38.58 | hans | I've taken a cursory look at bacula before and I think it deserves more investibgation |
| 20:44.09 | tensai | in my case I'm not worried about a single file being too big since I'm just backing up maildirs. but I'm not going to sort out 20,000 directories so they fit onto a single tape. |
| 20:49.43 | mrpull | anybody familiar with VPIS? |
| 20:56.15 | Uncle_Jesse | Wow - IBM cutting 13000 jobs |
| 20:56.25 | Jayce^ | jsmith, find anything useful? |
| 20:56.38 | Uncle_Jesse | Wasn't expecting that |
| 20:57.41 | Uncle_Jesse | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=568&e=5&u=/nm/20050504/bs_nm/tech_ibm_restructuring_dc |
| 20:58.38 | jsmith | Jayce^: Yeah, I walked away with two machines |
| 21:27.39 | hans | gee, that was annoying |
| 21:28.18 | hans | someone calls from some expensive inn in park city and says they want to give us a free night's stay (to encourage word-of-mouth) |
| 21:29.08 | hans | but then has to ask a few questions. Oh, you're not making quite enough so we can't offer it after all. But we have this other offer where you come see some presentation with some timeshare thing and get a free lovesack |
| 21:29.30 | hans | well we've wanted a lovesack, so I say ok sure. oh, you're not a homeowner? sorry. have a nice day |
| 21:30.48 | vontrapp | hah, now they know how much you make and that you don't own a home |
| 21:31.06 | vontrapp | and that you want a lovesac |
| 21:31.16 | Bradipo | hans: Yeah, that's what it looks like. Have to generate dumps that will fit within one tape. |
| 21:31.27 | hans | heh. next year though, I'll make less and own a home |
| 21:31.36 | Bradipo | That does make it less than attractive. |
| 21:32.02 | hans | yeah, that made me question just how "advanced" amanda really is |
| 21:32.05 | goozbach | lovesacks++ |
| 21:32.15 | goozbach | I have two six-footers |
| 21:32.15 | Bradipo | hans: Should have told them you were a home owner. :-) |
| 21:32.30 | Bradipo | goozbach: I have one, but I haven't been too impressed. |
| 21:32.36 | Bradipo | Its deflated a bunch. |
| 21:32.48 | hans | i also should have just said "yes" when she asked if combined we make over 50k |
| 21:32.51 | Bradipo | I was told they used memory foam, but I opened mine up and it isn't certainly memory foam. |
| 21:33.19 | vontrapp | is it a LoveSac (TM) or some wannabe? |
| 21:33.31 | goozbach | it isn't memory foam |
| 21:33.32 | Bradipo | I got it from the LoveSac shop in Provo. |
| 21:33.39 | Bradipo | It used to be. |
| 21:33.41 | goozbach | its furniture foam |
| 21:33.50 | goozbach | there is a difference |
| 21:33.50 | Bradipo | Right, that's what is in there now. |
| 21:34.01 | Bradipo | But when I got it, I was told it was memory foam. |
| 21:34.11 | goozbach | It hasn't ever been memory foam |
| 21:34.15 | Bradipo | This is from the store in Riverbottoms. |
| 21:34.30 | Bradipo | Well, then the store clerk lied. |
| 21:34.33 | goozbach | methinks you got lied to |
| 21:35.04 | goozbach | if you fluff it up it again it'll be 'back to normal' |
| 21:35.17 | Bradipo | For all of 1 minutes. |
| 21:35.27 | Bradipo | It hasn't been back to normal for months. |
| 21:35.48 | Bradipo | I'm going to buy some shredded memory foam from online and stuff it in there, that ought to plump it up again. |
| 21:36.49 | hans | if you ever want to throw it away, look my way |
| 21:36.55 | hans | I'll find something to stuff it with. :) |
| 21:37.07 | Bradipo | Oh, I don't mean to throw it away. |
| 21:37.19 | goozbach | what have you been doing on this lovesac? |
| 21:37.22 | Bradipo | My wife actually made a couple 3 footers for footstools. |
| 21:37.25 | Bradipo | Much cheaper. |
| 21:37.37 | Bradipo | goozbach: Watching LotR over and over. ;-) |
| 21:37.45 | goozbach | squishing furnature foam takes a bit of effort |
| 21:37.59 | Bradipo | Yeah, it does. I just don't think there was enough to begin with. |
| 21:38.20 | hans | maybe the salesperson was selling cheap clones on the side for profit |
| 21:38.29 | Bradipo | Haha, at the storefront, that's bold. |
| 21:39.42 | Bradipo | http://www.foambymail.com/Accessories.html#Shredded%20Foam |
| 21:39.50 | Bradipo | I wonder if this shredded memory foam is the real thing... |
| 21:40.07 | Bradipo | If so, a full back ought to do to add to my bag. |
| 21:41.40 | vontrapp | bah, who needs foam anyway, it's all about the bean-bag! |
| 21:42.01 | Bradipo | vontrapp: You obviously haven't sat in a lovesac before... ;-) |
| 21:42.53 | vontrapp | well, i have sat in a supersac - was too puffy, folded around me, too far off the ground... but maybe a regular type is awesome still |
| 21:44.25 | vontrapp | but beanbags make cool beany noises |
| 21:45.00 | Bradipo | Yes, they do. |
| 21:45.17 | Bradipo | They also make a mess when they pop. |
| 21:45.44 | Bradipo | However, I suppose a bean bag, if made with the same design a lovesac uses, would be pretty durable. |
| 21:46.06 | vontrapp | apparently tiger runs some deamon that contacts apple every three minutes or so |
| 21:46.21 | hans | where did you hear this? |
| 21:46.36 | vontrapp | my superviser just now |
| 21:46.49 | vontrapp | he read it somewhere |
| 21:47.00 | hans | so he would know what kind of traffic so I can watch it in ethereal |
| 21:47.04 | Bradipo | Time to pull out tcpdump. |
| 21:48.05 | hans | sounds like scaremongering to me, but I'm willing to run tcpdump on it for a bit. does he know anything about what kind of traffic? |
| 21:48.20 | Bradipo | Should be easy if you actually have such a system on your network. |
| 21:48.26 | Bradipo | Just block and log all traffic from it. |
| 21:48.53 | vontrapp | one on macdailynews |
| 21:49.00 | vontrapp | search for dmnotifyd |
| 21:49.00 | Bradipo | And tell the user not to do anything for 5 minutes so he doesn't flood your tcpdump capture. |
| 21:49.34 | goozbach | how much volume would 500lbs of memory foam be? |
| 21:49.47 | hans | goozbach: that depends on its density |
| 21:50.03 | goozbach | hans: of course |
| 21:50.07 | goozbach | I guess the question |
| 21:50.26 | goozbach | is: how dense is the afore mentioned memory foam |
| 21:50.28 | goozbach | ? |
| 21:50.41 | goozbach | I |
| 21:50.46 | goozbach | hate |
| 21:50.48 | goozbach | my |
| 21:50.50 | goozbach | enter |
| 21:50.53 | goozbach | key |
| 21:51.27 | mrpull | whoa... anybody use "nagios console"? |
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| 21:53.28 | ECS | ~lart Maquis |
| 21:55.31 | hans | mrpull: what do you mean? |
| 21:56.15 | mrpull | http://freshmeat.net/projects/nagios-console/ |
| 21:56.28 | mrpull | alternate interface for nagios |
| 21:58.42 | tensai | hans: "This particular app is attempting to contact 'configuration.apple.com' every few minutes." |
| 21:58.43 | goozbach | mmm nachos |
| 22:00.03 | vontrapp | "configuration.apple.com (the server dmnotifyd is attempting to contact) is just a dynamic configuration repository" |
| 22:00.43 | hans | i don't have a dmnotifyd process |
| 22:01.09 | vontrapp | maybe it's only on upgraded systems |
| 22:01.18 | hans | mine is an upgraded system |
| 22:02.02 | vontrapp | oh, i thought you got the full OS and not an upgrade |
| 22:02.25 | hans | i got the retail version, but I just did the upgrade from the DVD |
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| 22:13.01 | Bradipo | goozbach: I'm sure 500lbs is a lot. |
| 22:13.08 | Bradipo | I would only get the $20 bag. |
| 22:13.11 | Bradipo | That should be sufficient. |
| 22:18.52 | mrpull | this is interesting... anybody see http://webaccelerator.google.com/ |
| 22:18.54 | mrpull | ? |
| 22:20.14 | mrpull | first they started logging all of our queries... |
| 22:20.23 | mrpull | now they want to log every page viewed? |
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| 22:22.10 | levi | All right, my 1Gb SODIMM is ordered. |
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| 22:39.33 | levi | Anyone interested in a Web/Database Manager position? Managing internet, intranet, and business application pages and databases. |
| 22:40.28 | hans | levi: for your ibook? wanna pick one up for me too? :-) |
| 22:40.30 | levi | We've got openings for a field service engineer and an integration engineer, too. |
| 22:40.41 | levi | hans: Hah. :) |
| 22:42.01 | mheath | levi, Haha, I'm interested in those positions. But I doubt the positions are interested in me :) |
| 22:42.54 | hans | ~lart pollen |
| 22:43.04 | hans | hah, just like on honey I shrunk the kids |
| 22:50.51 | hans | ok, I watched the laptop from the desktop using ethereal for 10 minutes. no unexpected traffic. in fact, no traffic at all except for an http request and the dns/ping that I did |
| 22:51.06 | hans | the http request was a weather map for a dashboard widget I use |
| 22:51.27 | hans | so I call scaremongering |
| 22:51.31 | mrpull | hehehe.... |
| 22:51.57 | mrpull | did you guys see how the RSS grabbers in safari was supposed to DOS sites |
| 22:52.05 | mrpull | when tiger was released? |
| 22:52.19 | hans | oh sure |
| 22:52.27 | Jayce^ | anybody else look at the nice rss screensaver? well done.. |
| 22:52.55 | hans | no, but I liked the idea of dasher - brings up the dashboard after inactivity |
| 22:53.05 | hans | I liked it until I saw the cpu usage when the dashboard is up |
| 22:53.20 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:53.29 | Jayce^ | you see you can pull dasboard applets into safari? |
| 22:53.55 | hans | I heard about that, it was for pre-tiger testing |
| 22:54.09 | Jayce^ | the rss saver is nice, in that you have a button which takes you to the rss page |
| 22:54.33 | Jayce^ | I like safari's 'rss' mode though, and page with a feed you click, and it has it's own stylesheet, much nicer than most pages |
| 22:55.26 | hans | haven't looked closely, but it looks like the same idea as that one firefox extension I use at work. |
| 22:55.34 | vontrapp | sage, yeah |
| 23:02.08 | vontrapp | i use sage with my own stylesheet |
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| 23:13.45 | Tene | Anyone know of any possible job openings for something like windows desktop support, or the like? |
| 23:13.56 | Tene | Got a friend looking for a job. |
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| 23:16.55 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 23:17.05 | Tene | hiya |
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| 23:22.53 | goozbach | zup? |
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