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01:09.09levi-laptopMan, where is everyone this weekend?
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01:49.13levi-laptopYo.
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03:32.47misterpullgrrr... who chooses to work on sunday?
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05:50.05Hhhhhanybody running Fedora Core 3?
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06:25.39goozbachHhhhh: I am
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07:31.56barkingspiderHi room
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14:06.32Hhhhhhello
14:06.39leviYo.
14:06.39Hhhhhanyone using Fedora Core 3?
14:07.38leviNot me.
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14:39.38xbmodderhey!
14:39.42xbmodderhow are you all!
14:46.49levipeachy-keen, thanks.
14:47.45xbmodderlevi, you seem to be happy today
14:48.20leviYou think so?
14:48.30xbmodderMy computer's powers source died last night and i was sending out emails until 1AM on my PDA, but I am pretty happy
14:49.04xbmodder:)
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15:47.13hansheh, yesterday's foxtrot reminds me a bit of arch
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16:14.44Jayce^so hans what'd you think of the movie?
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16:15.44hansgreat
16:16.20hansmarvin was as dumb looking as ZI thought he would be, but the voice was great
16:16.20Jayce^the voice was perfect
16:16.33Jayce^yes you do
16:16.39hans(and the (inadvertent?) galaxy-quest tie in made chuckle too)
16:16.49Jayce^?
16:16.50goozbachI think I'll go tonight
16:17.09Jayce^goozbach, it's safe, no star wars teaser leading it :)
16:17.17hansi thought the arthur/trillian thing was well done and effective
16:19.28lukfuglhans: what GQ tie in? I didn't catch that
16:20.36hansnothing explicit
16:20.59hansjust the fact that zaphod is the extra on GQ and marvin is ... "By Graphtar's Hammer"
16:21.26lukfuglI didn't know zaphod was an extra on GQ...
16:21.34dataw0lf|whe was THE extra.
16:21.39dataw0lf|wSam Rockwell.
16:21.47lukfuglsam rockwell = guy?
16:21.50lukfuglcool
16:21.55hansguy, yeah.
16:21.57dataw0lf|wConfessions of a Dangerous Mind?
16:24.07hansso, anyone looking for a sysadmin job?
16:24.16usynicanyone know how to set the IMAP namespace in thunderbird?
16:24.48hansjust in preferences, advanced buttin server settings, no?
16:25.09hansand that dolphin song... catchy in all the wrong ways like good british humor music should be
16:25.23usynicyeah, but it doesn't make any sense
16:25.38usynic"#mh/","#mhinbox","","INBOX"
16:25.46usynicdunno what format it's expecting
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16:25.56hansnamespaces in general tend not to make any sense until you've done a cleansing ritual across the saharaa  desert
16:26.19hansusynic: it's probably dependent on the imap server
16:26.32usyniclame.
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16:27.33usynicthis converting from mbox imap to maildir and virtual users has turned out to be more than I thought it would be.
16:27.58usynicIE, I started at 4 this morning, so I wouldn't effect email much
16:28.01usynicI'm still working on it.
16:28.19dataw0lf|wwhat type of user auth are you doing?
16:28.27goozbachask sjansen how catchy that song is
16:28.47goozbachI haven't heard it first hand and It's already stuck in my head
16:28.49usynicjust mysql.
16:30.25hansusynic: what server?
16:30.45usynichrmm?  our work server
16:30.55hanswhat imap server?
16:30.58usynicI'm always like 10 seconds from getting it to work...
16:31.02usyniccourier-imap
16:31.46Bradipousynic: I usually leave the namespace empty.
16:31.57BradipoLet the server fill it in automatically.
16:32.12bigdog_utcourier-imap seems to always have that issue
16:32.23bigdog_uti spent 2 days trying to get it to work
16:32.29usynicwell, uwimap did the same thing
16:32.37BradipoI've never had an issue with courier-imap and namespaces.
16:33.03hansi don't remember if I had namespace issues or not with courier
16:33.10hansI'm completely sold on dovecot these days
16:33.17hansfirst sane imap server I've seen.
16:33.31usynicI think it's probably all this weird switching between imap daemons that has caused the problem.
16:34.07bigdog_utBradipo, i remember trying to get everything out of INBOX and i could find nothing on it
16:34.46bigdog_uti hate how it stuck everything under INBOX
16:34.50Bradipobigdog_ut: You mean you wanted to be able to create top level folders other than INBOX?
16:35.00bigdog_utyeah...
16:35.20hansiirc you have to make them subfolders of inbox
16:35.39BradipoI see.  I've never had a problem with the hierarchy, so I haven't encountered this.  I'm sure its just an option somewhere.
16:35.54Bradipohans: Yeah, you do.
16:36.20hansusynic: maybe that's your problem?
16:36.37usynican option on the server or in my client?
16:36.50bigdog_utwhatever i did i could not get the subfolders out from under INBOX
16:37.15hansusynic: how about some more details? can yoou get to INBOX with thunderbird? Is it that cyou can't get to other folders?
16:37.33usynicyeah, I have my regular inbox... which is fine
16:37.40usynicbut then I have INBOX.Drafts and Drafts
16:37.42tapH20gurugotta love debugging over IRC :0
16:37.51usynicthough Drafts doesn't actually exist at all.
16:38.04hanstapH20guru: often it beats debugging on an island. :)
16:38.15tapH20gurutrue true
16:38.37hansso you can't access INBOX.Drafts?
16:38.43usynicno, I can
16:39.03hansso the problem is the crazy artifact folders like Drafts
16:39.03usynicbut I can't access Drafts
16:39.04usynicor Sent
16:39.12bigdog_uthans thanks for the info on dovecot
16:39.14usynicor Trash...
16:39.17bigdog_utlooks really promising
16:39.21usynicso thunderbird gets all kinds of messed up.
16:39.45hansbigdog_ut: it rocks. I use it along with ldap to do virtual mailboxes
16:39.55bigdog_utoh that is what i want
16:40.06Bradipohttp://www.courier-mta.org/FAQ.html#namespace
16:40.07bigdog_uti might have another project htis weekend
16:40.12BradipoAccording to that link, it is a problem with the client.
16:40.48hansbigdog_ut: and some people (liek me) I can map the account to a user account on the box, and so I can use mutt on my home desktop (which hahppens to be the server too) directly on the Maildir, and imap on my laptop
16:40.49bigdog_utman i read that so many times and could never get it to work
16:41.04bigdog_uthans, nice
16:41.12BradipoMaybe Thunderbird isn't namespace compliant.
16:41.20bigdog_utand u have no issues with namespace?
16:41.41hansno, no issues
16:41.56bigdog_utthis weekend i am converting
16:41.57bigdog_utlol
16:42.14dataw0lf|wdovecot you say?
16:42.19Bradipousynic: Is the NAMESPACE capability published by the imapd?
16:42.21hansthe dev version of dovecot has the most flexible namespace spec stuff I've seen, so you could access user mail in ~/Mail as well as /var/log/user and wherever else you want
16:42.42usynicBradipo: I don't actually see any reference to a namespace in any of the config files
16:42.48hansbut I don't use it yet. when it come s out stable I'll be excited though.
16:42.59Bradipousynic: its either on or it isn't on.
16:43.00bigdog_utusynic, there is a place in the config for it
16:43.04Bradipotelnet servername 143
16:43.11BradipoDoes it print NAMESPACE as one of the capabilities?
16:43.15dataw0lf|whans: it actually makes sense, then?  courier imap is terrible.
16:43.16usynicyes.
16:43.51bigdog_utanyone know how to grab the current sound stream and record it to a file?
16:44.08hansdataw0lf|w: yes, it is a beacon of sanity in the stormy sea of insanity that is the imap server scene
16:44.34Bradipousynic: So, it should support it.
16:44.51usynicright, and I believe it does... I just can't get thunderbird to like it :)
16:44.55dataw0lf|whans: cool, thanks.
16:45.04Bradipousynic: Let me try...
16:45.13BradipoI'm installing thunderbird right now.
16:45.23hansusynic: have you tried making a fresh imap account in thunderbird?
16:45.34usynicyeah, just tried that.
16:45.39usynicit kinda made it worse
16:45.40hansmaybe thunderbird has the cruft
16:46.04usynicperhaps.  It looks good in squirrelmail
16:46.09dataw0lf|wI wouldn't doubt it, I had similar problems with courier-imap and thunderbird.
16:46.20Bradipohans: That's what I'm thinking, but I want to verify it.
16:47.10hansi blame thunderbird for sure, in this case
16:48.12BradipoI wonder if sylpheed does it any better...
16:48.39BradipoIMAP is such a poorly implemented protocol in practice.
16:49.03BradipoI believe courier-imap does a good job at following the RFCs, but that doesn't mean the clients will be able to work with it.
16:50.21hansyeah, clients like to skimp on thing they thought were esoteric, like namespaces
16:50.50hansthen someone like courier comes along and uses them heavily (well within the rights given by the RFC)
16:51.15BradipoYeah.
16:51.22usynicok... woot.  I think I have courier+virtual users working.
16:51.25usynicnow for postfix...
16:56.34BradipoMan, thunderbird is bloated.
16:56.42BradipoI could have had sylpheed installed 3 times over by now.
16:57.00BradipoThis is installation from a ports tree.
16:57.12BradipoOn an Athlon XP 2800.
16:57.20hanssounds like a blast
16:57.28Bradipo2.25GHz.
16:57.35hansyou fell prey to one of the classic blunders.
16:57.48hansthe first is never get involved in a land war in asia
16:57.51Bradipolol
16:58.06hansbut the second is never compile from scratch when mozilla is on the line!
17:00.25dataw0lf|wNice.
17:00.36dataw0lf|wI'm going to have to steal that one from you for a rainy day, hans.
17:00.42usynicoh great, I had it working, and now I broke it again.
17:02.29hansdataw0lf|w: sure, but do the research I was too lazy to do, so you get the wording right.
17:02.32hans;-)
17:04.46tapH20guruwww.qmailrocks.com ain't a bad install: qmail/courier/mysql/virtual domains and users
17:10.24hansso have your sysadmin-job-seeking-friends contact me today
17:13.05*** topic/#utah by hans -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | SW:EP3 midnight showing in Payson. see herlo.org or ask Lars | Looking for a sysadmin job? Know someone who is? Contact hans
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17:29.44levihans: Did you catch the cameos in H2G2?
17:32.37dataw0lf|wdid you catch Douglas Adams at the end?
17:35.48lukfugllevi: I saw the old marvin. I'd heard of others but didn't know enough to catch them
17:36.38levilukfugl: The Magrathean recording was played by the guy who has played Arthur in all previous recorded versions.
17:36.59lukfuglah. I knew he was in there, but didn't know what part
17:37.12lukfugland wouldn't have been able to just recognize him
17:37.19usynicaaarrrg.
17:37.21dataw0lf|wSimon Jones?
17:38.08leviYeah.
17:39.03dataw0lf|whuh.  Can't believe I missed that.
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17:45.30dataw0lf|wMos Def surprised me in how well he played Prefect.
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17:51.50vontrappgarrrr, why does shift get sent with my keypad operators?
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18:40.35Uncle_Jesseso, for someone who hasn't read the book, will I like H2G2G?
18:41.23teneYep.
18:41.30teneMoreso than someone that has, or so I've heard.
18:41.49Uncle_Jesseexcellent - I'm waiting to read the book for that reason alone
18:41.52Uncle_Jessehttp://www.comics.com/comics/franknernest/index.html
18:42.00Uncle_JesseH2G2G fans may like that one
19:04.35hansjust don't try too hard, you might end up in a way you wouldn't like.
19:16.20hanshmm, some virus is getting through amavis. clam is up-to-date
19:16.49hansit's an executable in a zip file. "Winzipped-Text-Data.txt           .exe"
19:19.27Uncle_Jessebwahahahaha :-)
19:19.42hanslevi: I knew about adams, and figured that was him at the end. I've never seen/heard any hhgg versions other than the books
19:19.48hansso other cameos would be lost on me.
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19:36.50ibotbut then who will poke the pokers, lukfugl?
19:36.57lukfugl~prod hans
19:36.59ibotACTION zaps hans with a high voltage cattle prod
19:41.46bucky~moo
19:41.47ibotmooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/
19:45.43vontrapphmm, acorting to mtab and mount, /dev/hda7 (swap) isn't mounted
19:45.56vontrappyet i try to swapon /dev/hda7 and i get resource busy
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19:51.26flyboy^Has anyone ever heard of "URL Frame" before in relation to DNS records?
19:51.40vontrapp~lart firefox for leaking memory
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19:54.35flyboy^I think it's some odd term for using an iframe tag.
19:54.43flyboy^I hate it when people muddy up the water.
19:55.04lukfuglwhat would iframes have to do with DNS records?
19:57.44flyboy^Nothing.
19:58.12flyboy^But - some hosting companies put that 'feature' under their 'dns administration' sections - confusing the heck out of some of our users.
19:58.21vontrapphow did we get on iframes and dns?
19:58.32lukfugl< flyboy^> Has anyone ever heard of "URL Frame" before in relation to DNS
19:58.33vontrappi think i missed something
19:58.48vontrappoh, there it is
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20:00.15flyboy^Enom and some other registrars offer it as a 'service' - but from what I can gather they just setup an A record to point to a web server they have configured with an iframe to some other site.
20:04.43bucky~seen levi
20:04.59ibotlevi is currently on #utah.  Has said a total of 133 messages.  Is idling for 2h 26m 51s
20:05.15buckyInd. Heart Patient Dies After Bike Trek
20:05.25buckyafter completing a 2,400-mile, cross-country trip.
20:06.02hansanyone know tapwaterguru's first name?
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20:13.51vontrappis there a way to tell ssh to forget about host authentication for a specific host in the config?
20:14.02hansi wish
20:14.06vontrappi always forward localhost to many a place and it always complains
20:14.11hansaka, if you figure it out let me know.
20:15.15hansi did write a script to nuke an entry in the config and call ssh all at once, though.
20:19.54vontrappnuke an entry in known_hosts you mean? or the script was in the config
20:20.58hansthe script would nuke the specified entry from known_hosts
20:21.06hansthen initiate an ssh connection
20:24.47tensaivontrapp: if it's a place you'll ssh to more than once, create an entry in your .ssh/config for it. then you can give it another name.
20:25.09tensaiHost local-2022
20:25.13tensai<PROTECTED>
20:25.16tensai<PROTECTED>
20:25.43tensaiit'll associate the key with "local-2022" rather than localhost
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20:26.49vontrappthe thing is, i have a favorite port to forward (2200, almost like 2022) and i forward it on-demand, so it's always a different host
20:27.55goozbachif only amarok wasn't a kde app...
20:28.02bigdog_utlol
20:28.21bigdog_utgoozbach, you dont like rhythymbox
20:28.42goozbachI have really screwed my system by trying to get amarok working on FC3
20:28.45vontrappi will not try amorok for fear that i'll like it and it will force kde's foot into my door
20:28.56goozbachvontrapp: run as fast as you can
20:28.58goozbachdon
20:29.07goozbach't even look at a feature list
20:29.15vontrapp:)
20:29.50vontrappi saw kde and i stopped reading
20:29.58goozbachrythmbox?
20:30.00goozbachhmmm
20:30.18bigdog_utgnome app that is kinda similiar less features
20:30.29tensaihans: I thought you had found a replacement already
20:30.42hanstensai: so had I
20:30.53tensaiah. hence the ASAP
20:31.17hansyeah. we're not exactly in crisis mode, but not willing to diddle around anymore
20:31.30hanswe have some people from the first round of interviews, but none that come from the LUG base
20:31.41goozbachdon't know if I like it
20:31.57goozbachthe library feature from amarok rox my world
20:32.00tensaiI use rhythmbox and like it. doesn't fill all my needs, but enough to be useful
20:32.14goozbachI tell it to play something I haven't listenend to in a while and it does
20:32.24bigdog_utyeah same here...amarok is nice if you have kde going
20:32.41hansI think I'm too addicted to imms
20:32.51hansso xmms it is for the forseeable future.
20:33.51hansvontrapp: you might see if you can turn off StrictHostKeyChecking for just that entry, and see if that works.
20:33.58hanse.g. localhost-2200
20:34.09hansor maybe you could name it 2200
20:44.25bigdog_uthans where is the position at?
20:45.17hansspringville
20:45.22bigdog_utouch
20:46.47hanstoo far?
20:46.55bigdog_utoh yeah
20:47.15hansyou must be on the other side of the traffic jam. :)
20:47.26bigdog_utclearfield
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20:55.15levibucky: What a way to go.
20:56.31hansoffice dynamics can be interesting
20:56.44hanswe got a new programmer who is at least as much a clown as the resident clown
20:56.59hanswatching clowns compete for clowning superiority is an interesting thing.
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21:07.20hansjoshc: got any half-decent sysadmin rejects to recommend? ;-)
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21:07.47BradipoNo, I never mind hans.
21:08.00hansI don't usually mind hans either.
21:08.10hansI'm serious though, if you have anyone to recommend that'd be great
21:08.20hanswhat wasn't good enough for your crazy scheme might be good enough for us.
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21:09.05hansah, heh. you recommended me?
21:09.14joshc<PROTECTED>
21:09.22hansI always like being recommended
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21:11.23hansI know a guy, no idea if he's looking.
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21:11.41hansbigdpeterson on aim - you use aim?
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21:12.04hansnext time I see him I'll see what I can dredge up
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21:12.12hanssee him online, that is
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21:12.49vontrappo/~ So long and thanks for all the fish! o/~
21:12.57hansso long so long so long so long
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21:14.32bonez41On my LAN..I have a machine running just win 98se...I'd like to set it up to be dual boot with linux...running debian...the machine has no floppy that works right now...but is networks to my linux box...and the 'net too...suggestions? how to setup?
21:15.42joshc<PROTECTED>
21:16.47mrpullor can it boot off USB?
21:17.03hansor can you tap the OS in with a rusty fork?
21:17.09mrpullhehehe
21:17.27bonez41joshc: yeah, that machine has a cdrom...
21:17.32bonez41no usb boot...
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21:18.05vontrappso probably old and no usb boot
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21:18.17bonez41netinst cd? I am at debian.org ...getting the netinst iso..
21:18.25mrpulli like the netinstall cd
21:18.32mrpullunless you are going to do a hundred installs
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21:19.50bonez41just this...machine...anything special for dial boot, other than putting grub/lilo below the 1024 cylinder?
21:20.21bonez41ubuntu? I have heard about that...an african debian derivative?
21:20.24joshc<PROTECTED>
21:20.44bonez41ubuntu reminds me of that poor kid 'ndugu' in About Schmidt with Mr. Nicholson
21:20.56bonez41joshc: yeah, I want to leave the win98 install intact....
21:21.16joshc<PROTECTED>
21:21.31bonez41my scanner is hooked to the machine.I will get sane and set it up to scan under linux and as I get everything working with linux, then just purge 98se off it and make it all linux
21:21.47bonez41ok..I have partition magic..I'll set that up first....
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21:22.00hanshooray for partition magic
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21:23.02bonez41I am sure the owners of PowerQuest couldnt' pass on being acquired.....they scored....!
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21:24.25hanswho acquired them?
21:24.34joshc<PROTECTED>
21:24.59hansoh great
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21:25.17hansprobably
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21:30.00bonez41at least it wasn't Bill G who bought them....
21:30.40bonez41joshc: all I know about graphics artists...get them to sign a document assuring you get all their source, for whatever you hire them to create...
21:30.59bonez41we have gone the rounds with several...and they all get funny when you want the source..that you have paid for....
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21:32.12wpsI would recommend me
21:32.31joshc<PROTECTED>
21:32.37wpsyes, that's me
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21:33.09wpsI haven't been following your conversation though, so don't know what you are looking for
21:33.13wpsI am a graphic artist though
21:33.17bigdog_utjoshc, i would recommend wps too..i have worked with him on a project for a while and he is killer
21:33.37wps~bigdog_ut ++
21:33.47wps~bigdog_ut++
21:34.01wps~karma bigdog_ut
21:34.01ibotbigdog_ut has karma of 8
21:34.05wpsthanks, bigdog_ut
21:34.07bigdog_utnice
21:34.09bigdog_utlol
21:34.13hans~karma ibot
21:34.13ibotibot has karma of 14
21:34.20hans~ibot--
21:34.25joshc<PROTECTED>
21:35.06wpsyeah, that's right (although the guy in charge doesn't want it to be perceived as a "dating site" :) )
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21:35.55BradipoSounds like the perception trick didn't quite work.
21:36.56hansI also know (am related to) an artist (not html) who works for a local (draper) video game company. they're always looking for programmers
21:37.08hansat least he's always trying to convince me I want to go work there. :)
21:37.52wpsmy company is looking to hire a programmer right now
21:38.04wpsbut you have to know MSSQL and .NET
21:39.51vontrappwhich would be better, select 3 conditions on <lots of tables> or select 3 conditions on <lots or tables>/(4|5) and joining in <lots of tables> on a unique id?
21:40.21mrpullhow 'bout a view
21:40.23bigdog_utexplainer will tell you
21:42.23vontrappthe programmer in me says to factor out the common fields, but don't know if that would really be benificial
21:42.59dataw0lf|wdepends on how the database is structured.
21:43.13dataw0lf|wbut, factoring out usually helps.
21:44.35vontrapphow it's structured as in convention of the rest of the db or how it's structured in some other way?
21:44.57dataw0lf|whow the proposed tables are structured in relation to each other.
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21:45.28vontrappwhere's spiderbiter when you need him?
21:45.32vontrappj/k
21:45.40barkingspiderhehehe :)
21:47.27bigdog_utyeah where is he...i havent seen spiderbitter in a while
21:47.56vontrappo/~ There's something more than the world out there o/~
21:48.50dataw0lf|whe probably bit the wrong spider.
21:48.51dataw0lf|wpoor guy.
21:49.37vontrappbasically, what i have is a set of tables, grouped by date and feeid
21:49.56vontrappthere's going to be 4,5 or so tables for each date/fee
21:51.21barkingspiderspiders of the world, unite!
21:51.24barkingspider;)
21:51.38vontrappand i could get a unique id for the date/fee set and then have the tables in that date/fee point to that id
21:55.01vontrappor i could just have the date/feeid each member and select on date+feeid across the entire set
21:56.20vontrapphis bark (barkingspider) is worse than his (spiderbiter) bite
21:56.51barkingspiderYeah hehe Barking is funner and you don't hafta brush your teeth afterwards.
21:59.32vontrappthe factoriing out would make the target data once removed, which might be a consideration for updates, but these aren't going to need updates
22:00.43vontrappat least not swathe updates
22:01.38vontrapphmmm, /me decides to go with the flat approach
22:02.15vontrappi have gut feelings for and against both :)
22:04.01vontrappo/~ And I cry to myself as the tears roll down, cause it's the world I know o/~
22:07.40bonez41have any of you ever used fixyourownprinter.com? my laserjet iiip just died..the clutch drive.... just curious if anyone here has experience with this site
22:24.55barkingspidercya guys later....time to drive the mum to physical therapy.
22:30.41mrpullanybody read scobleizer?
22:33.32mrpullhttp://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2005/05/01.html#a9963
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23:34.43levi-treoHmm, I'm in a classroom again.
23:35.51levi-treoSo far, it's not too enlightening.
23:47.22tensaiAmelia Earhart elementary school in Provo was just profiled on ABC nightly news
23:54.23jsmithOh really...
23:56.21buckytensai, it's an under performing school
23:58.50buckyit was on Dateline or 48 Hours or one of those television news magazines a few weeks ago

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