| 00:22.27 | hans | bonez39: it's nothing so draconian. The food court just isn't wired, and they're too lazy to wdo it. |
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| 00:33.49 | levi | Mmm, UberBook. |
| 00:34.11 | levi | Someday, when you become an ubermensh, eh? |
| 00:35.28 | findlay | the perfect tool for the Kwazi Hadreach that has everything |
| 00:36.58 | findlay | an elegant weapon from a more civilized age |
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| 00:38.02 | levi | Aiee, I wish I had something better than C with which to write this code. |
| 00:48.52 | Lone_Wanderer | what's an ubermensch? |
| 00:49.11 | findlay | my sentiment exactly |
| 00:55.44 | findlay | ~dict Ubermensch |
| 00:56.25 | findlay | ~dict UberBook |
| 01:01.32 | findlay | ibot: UberBook is an ulta super laptop computer with a dual supercharger and a turbocharger that is in the shape of a subtly phosphorescing hypersphere with a jiga googol of PQR-WXYZ-ASDF-DDR-SDRAM-5.0.7 sporting only one optional button in the shape of an apple with a bite out of it(TM)(R)(C), which button is optional |
| 01:01.33 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 01:02.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ~dict UberBook |
| 01:02.37 | findlay | ~uberbook |
| 01:02.38 | ibot | hmm... uberbook is an ulta super laptop computer with a dual supercharger and a turbocharger that is in the shape of a subtly phosphorescing hypersphere with a jiga googol of PQR-WXYZ-ASDF-DDR-SDRAM-5.0.7 sporting only one optional button in the shape of an apple with a bite out of it(TM)(R)(C), which button is optional |
| 01:03.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ibot: Lone_Wanderer is a guy who's testing to see if he can set definitions on you like findlay can. |
| 01:03.15 | ibot | Lone_Wanderer: okay |
| 01:03.20 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:03.21 | ibot | you are probably a guy who's testing to see if he can set definitions on you like findlay can. |
| 01:03.41 | Lone_Wanderer | now how do I remove that? |
| 01:04.40 | findlay | ~undefine Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:04.45 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 01:05.03 | findlay | don't know if it worked |
| 01:05.06 | findlay | ~help |
| 01:05.10 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:05.12 | ibot | well, lone_wanderer is a guy who's testing to see if he can set definitions on you like findlay can. |
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| 01:05.56 | Lone_Wanderer | ~forget Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:05.56 | ibot | i forgot lone_wanderer, Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:05.59 | findlay | ibot: Lone_Wanderer is " " |
| 01:06.00 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 01:06.06 | Lone_Wanderer | grr |
| 01:06.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ~forget Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:06.07 | ibot | i forgot lone_wanderer, Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:06.08 | findlay | ? |
| 01:06.12 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:06.26 | findlay | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:06.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I just did /query ibot help and "forget" was one of the topics it had. |
| 01:06.44 | findlay | OK |
| 01:06.56 | Tene | ~sjansen |
| 01:06.58 | ibot | from memory, sjansen is one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 01:09.55 | findlay | ibot: sjansen is also one who does not care to appreciate the delectable subtlties of Philosophiae Naturalis |
| 01:09.56 | ibot | cannot alter locked factoids, findlay |
| 01:10.06 | findlay | darn |
| 01:10.12 | findlay | ~findlay |
| 01:10.20 | levi | Ubermensch means 'over-man', or 'super man'. It's a philisophical concept from Nietzsche. |
| 01:10.21 | findlay | ~TOE |
| 01:10.22 | ibot | i heard toe is the Theory Of Everything or The Omniferous Elixer |
| 01:11.30 | findlay | Richard Strauss wrote a symphonic poem about that called "Also Sprach Zaruthrusa" |
| 01:12.21 | levi | And that's the book in which the idea was introduced. |
| 01:12.43 | levi | I started reading it, once. It was sort of interesting, since it's a narrative instead of an exposition. |
| 01:12.58 | levi | All I remember now is some tightrope walker falling to his death. |
| 01:14.39 | Lone_Wanderer | levi: wasn't Nietzsche insane? |
| 01:15.17 | levi | I have no idea. I wouldn't be surprised, though. |
| 01:15.31 | levi | Mainly, I think 'Ubermensch' sounds cool. |
| 01:15.59 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, German is kind of like Latin in that way, only with cool instead of profound. |
| 01:17.13 | Lone_Wanderer | which reminds me - what's the symbol for "as", as in "German is to cool as Latin is to profound", only "German:cool (unknown symbol) Latin:profound" |
| 01:18.55 | findlay | from my memory of elementary school days, its called a syllogism and we just used a double colon :: |
| 01:19.25 | findlay | I don't know if there is a proper symbol |
| 01:19.46 | Lone_Wanderer | well that works then |
| 01:30.08 | levi | foo : bar :: blee : baz |
| 01:37.01 | levi | findlay: That usage of syllogism seems different from the standard logic usage of the term. |
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| 01:41.12 | findlay | I have no formal reson for calling it a syllogism, just inference, it is possible that I am wrong |
| 01:44.42 | levi | It sounds like what I remember, but I can't find any references to forms like that via searches for syllogisms. |
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| 01:48.32 | findlay | ~wiki syllogism |
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| 01:52.52 | levi | Duh. It's called an analogy, not a syllogism. :) |
| 01:53.15 | findlay | that makes more sense |
| 01:54.32 | findlay | like a function, I guess you could use <=> and look at is as "maps onto" |
| 01:56.24 | levi | A syllogism is a logical implication. A -> B, B -> C, therefore A -> C |
| 01:56.52 | levi | Of course, that's only one kind of syllogism. I was pretty confused trying to figure out how to identify an analogy as a syllogism. |
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| 02:01.58 | findlay | it's also like the law of proportions: a/b = c/d; |
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| 03:20.30 | indessed | anyone know how to measure time in C? (at the millisecond level or less, preferably) |
| 03:21.47 | indessed | (doesn't have to be wall time, could be cpu time too.) |
| 03:34.19 | levi | Does gettimeofday work for you? Gives secs and usecs since the epoch. |
| 03:34.33 | indessed | Just barely discovered it :-) Thanks |
| 03:43.56 | levi | What'cha coding? |
| 03:44.12 | indessed | keyboard input from joystick |
| 03:44.22 | indessed | having some problems though unfortunately. |
| 03:44.47 | indessed | the diagonal directions aren't working properly, |
| 03:45.00 | indessed | because they're treated as two separate axes. |
| 03:45.14 | levi | What's the joystick going to control? |
| 03:45.40 | indessed | it's not going to control anything, it just generates key events |
| 03:45.54 | indessed | Have you ever heard of quikwrite before? |
| 03:45.56 | levi | Right, but what are the key events going to be used for? |
| 03:45.59 | levi | Nope. |
| 03:46.07 | indessed | http://mrl.nyu.edu/projects/quikwriting/Quikwrite1.html |
| 03:46.31 | indessed | there's a sample java applet that shows how it works. |
| 03:46.38 | indessed | i basically want to emulate that with a joystick, |
| 03:46.50 | indessed | so I can type into any program with the joystick, |
| 03:46.51 | levi | Ah, so it's a full input scheme. |
| 03:46.55 | indessed | righty-o. |
| 03:47.12 | indessed | and so far it works beautifully, except it interprets, say, "upper-right corner" |
| 03:47.25 | indessed | as "right, upper-right corner, right" |
| 03:48.05 | levi | I used to know how the joystick driver worked, but it's been a long time. |
| 03:48.15 | indessed | so all i can type are the six keys in the middle, hec uty. |
| 03:48.36 | indessed | i figured out how the joystick driver works, that part's pretty easy, |
| 03:48.45 | indessed | it's just a limitation of joysticks themselves, I think. |
| 03:49.15 | levi | Well, I mean the implementation of it. I copied it loosely for a keypad driver I wrote. |
| 03:49.28 | levi | But that part's not very complex either. |
| 03:49.50 | levi | Anyway, you may be able to massage the output into something more usable by hacking on the driver. |
| 03:50.08 | indessed | i suppose that's possible. |
| 03:50.17 | indessed | or just read from /dev/input/js0 directly, which is what my first plan was. |
| 03:50.32 | indessed | when I saw there was a library that would just send me back axis directions, I figured that'd be easier. |
| 03:51.45 | levi | I'm pretty sure it's a polling driver. Just changing the poll interval may get rid of your spurious directions. |
| 03:51.46 | indessed | So if you had two numbers, say 41 and 4, and you wanted to see if the first digit of the second equaled the second number, how would you do that? |
| 03:52.12 | indessed | I think the first version (.0) of the driver was polling, but this one (.1) is event driven. |
| 03:52.15 | indessed | So far as I can tell. |
| 03:52.38 | levi | If first / 10 = second |
| 03:52.40 | indessed | I'm thinking: |
| 03:52.40 | indessed | trunc(first_number / 10) == second_number |
| 03:52.56 | indessed | your idea didn't work. I think. |
| 03:53.10 | indessed | hence my attempt at trunc, which the compiler seems to be whining about. |
| 03:53.48 | indessed | wait... maybe the problem was elsewhere. one moment please :-) |
| 03:54.37 | levi | Integer division automatically truncates. |
| 03:54.57 | indessed | yeah, looks like my problem was I was putting that If statement in the wrong place, |
| 03:55.10 | indessed | inside of If (first_number < 10) instead of outside it. |
| 03:55.15 | indessed | d'oh. |
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| 03:57.14 | levi | C will automatically promote an expression result to float if one of your operands is a float, but if they're both ints, you get a truncated int answer. |
| 03:57.29 | indessed | nifty. good to know. |
| 03:58.06 | levi | I don't think it's especially nifty, but that's how it works. |
| 03:58.33 | indessed | languages like perl and php don't truncate, do they? I can't remember. |
| 03:58.53 | levi | I don't know about those in particular. |
| 03:58.55 | indessed | I know java does though, even if you're storing the result in a float. |
| 03:59.00 | indessed | (somewhat annoying.) |
| 03:59.30 | levi | C will truncate even if you store in a float. One of the operands has to be a float to do float division. |
| 03:59.38 | levi | or mult. |
| 04:00.13 | levi | Lisp keeps the most precise answer possible unless you ask it to do otherwise. |
| 04:00.30 | levi | (/ 3 4) => 3/4 |
| 04:00.55 | levi | Not many languages give you a ratio type. :) |
| 04:01.07 | indessed | :-) |
| 04:02.28 | levi | It will also transition to bignums from fixnums when your numbers get too large instead of overflowing. |
| 04:03.45 | levi | Anyway, I've got to get home. |
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| 04:03.52 | indessed | thanks for the help |
| 04:03.55 | indessed | cheers |
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| 05:01.25 | findlay | ~lart the microwave for having pungent breath from my roomates' popcorn binges |
| 05:02.20 | findlay | ~seen ibot |
| 05:02.22 | ibot | ibot is currently on #zaurus (2d 36m 52s) #tomcat (2d 36m 52s) #opie (2d 36m 52s) #opencombat (2d 36m 52s) #familiar (2d 36m 52s) #uclibc (2d 36m 52s) #intimate (2d 36m 52s) #gllug (2d 36m 52s) #brlcad (2d 36m 52s) #gpe (2d 36m 52s) #oe (2d 36m 52s) #elinux (2d 36m 52s) #handhelds.org (2d ... |
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| 06:09.22 | xbmodder | Someone here wants to make DVD backups? |
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| 14:33.00 | synic | this may sound like a stupid question... |
| 14:33.31 | synic | but are there any scholarships for people who have written opensource software? |
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| 14:55.10 | vontrapp | xbmodder: i figured it out :) |
| 14:55.22 | vontrapp | gave up on mencoder and used transcode |
| 14:55.40 | vontrapp | works great |
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| 15:05.13 | tensai | too late, I already wrote my congresscritter |
| 15:05.50 | tensai | http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/2005/04/27#050427_03 |
| 15:05.50 | tensai | quite vulgar but very spot on analysis of DRM |
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| 15:25.32 | hans | today's calvin and hobbes rerun is great |
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| 16:13.37 | hans | ok, what would you do game |
| 16:17.55 | mrpull | OK |
| 16:18.00 | hans | they need other companies to be able to upload large files and we don't want to give accounts |
| 16:18.15 | hans | and obviously anonymous ftp makes me nervous, as does regular ftp with a username/password |
| 16:18.25 | mrpull | how big is "large" |
| 16:18.27 | mrpull | ? |
| 16:18.31 | hans | 100meg ish |
| 16:18.34 | levi | email! ;) |
| 16:18.35 | Jayce^ | sftp on a special upload only/safe network box? |
| 16:19.02 | hans | i was thinking ftp with password, sign the files |
| 16:19.36 | mrpull | who is "they"? customers or anyone? |
| 16:19.48 | hans | "partners" |
| 16:19.59 | hans | it's a coalition I guess, of companies |
| 16:20.03 | mrpull | uploading from know Ips? |
| 16:20.09 | hans | probably |
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| 16:20.50 | mrpull | anonymous ftp with uploads only going to directories that cannot be downloaded from.... only accepting connections from known Ips |
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| 16:22.00 | Bradipo | hans: What is the concern about ftp? Plaintext? |
| 16:22.00 | hans | yeah |
| 16:22.04 | hans | but I'm ok with plaintext if they sign it |
| 16:22.20 | Bradipo | If they sign the file with PGP? |
| 16:22.21 | hans | I don't think the data is confidential so much as I don't want impersonation or ddos |
| 16:22.27 | hans | right |
| 16:22.29 | Bradipo | I see. |
| 16:22.43 | Bradipo | That would be cool if you can actually get them to use PGP. :-) |
| 16:22.50 | hans | there's that too. :) |
| 16:23.19 | hans | frankly, they'll be happy with password ftp. |
| 16:23.20 | Bradipo | We actually got licenses for 8 users here once... needless to say, the licenses were only used to install, nothing ever went beyond that. |
| 16:24.02 | Bradipo | PGP even integrated nicely with Outlook, made it braindead simple to use. |
| 16:24.02 | hans | I'm probably the only one who cares, but I'm also probably the only one who knows enough about security to care |
| 16:24.32 | mrpull | the last thing you need is a warez group to discover your anonymous ftp server :) |
| 16:24.46 | hans | yeah, it would definitely be an upload-only situation. no downloads |
| 16:24.58 | hans | i imagine that the warez group would get bored of that quickly enough |
| 16:25.08 | hans | but there's still the DoS problem |
| 16:25.23 | mrpull | agreed. some people don't consider either of those until it is too late |
| 16:25.44 | Bradipo | Which DoS problem? |
| 16:25.53 | mrpull | fill up your disks with useless crap |
| 16:25.57 | Bradipo | Oh. |
| 16:26.06 | Bradipo | Yeah, that could be a problem. |
| 16:27.31 | vontrapp | i like the signed idea |
| 16:28.01 | mrpull | how will the customers like signing stuff? i've setup ftp servers for artists who could barely figure out ftp. |
| 16:28.17 | Bradipo | I like it too, but be prepared for hand holding if you decide to enforce it. |
| 16:28.21 | mrpull | many times they'd send CD's via mail / courier before they'd use FTP |
| 16:29.11 | Bradipo | Also, if you're going to have them sign it, why not go one step further and have them encrypt it? |
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| 16:31.34 | vontrapp | i want to make a mythtv box |
| 16:31.42 | vontrapp | so i need a tuner card |
| 16:32.08 | vontrapp | now, do i get the pchdtv card or a card that can do the encoding? |
| 16:32.18 | mrpull | one of each :) |
| 16:32.22 | Jayce^ | probably going to get a group to get a discount on good cards at plug :) |
| 16:32.25 | vontrapp | frankly, i don't know if hdtv is really going to take off |
| 16:32.31 | Jayce^ | after brandon's stuff |
| 16:32.31 | mrpull | my dual tuner tivo is sweeeet |
| 16:32.38 | vontrapp | especially come this broadcast flag stuff |
| 16:32.38 | Jayce^ | vontrapp, oh it is |
| 16:33.41 | vontrapp | so if it does, i definately want to get a pchdtv card while i still can |
| 16:34.07 | fugln | 2 days, vontrapp, 2 days |
| 16:35.00 | vontrapp | what kind of processor power am i going to need to encode regular type tv? |
| 16:35.09 | vontrapp | and how much space does hdtv take? |
| 16:35.59 | vontrapp | (i plan on getting a large hard drive, so i could dump the raw video and then encode, so i don't need 'real time' encoding) |
| 16:36.45 | vontrapp | Jayce^: uug is doing the same (bulk discount) |
| 16:37.11 | Jayce^ | right |
| 16:37.28 | Jayce^ | bbeattie is leading the charge with his mythtv marathon |
| 16:37.59 | vontrapp | only $10 though, has anyone tried to talk them lower? |
| 16:38.18 | vontrapp | Jayce^: what exactly does that mean? you lost me |
| 16:38.44 | Jayce^ | vontrapp, bbeattie has been presenting to all the lugs this last month about myth |
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| 16:38.49 | Jayce^ | plug is in two weeks |
| 16:39.01 | vontrapp | yeah, i know, plan on attending :) |
| 16:39.44 | vontrapp | any idea on how many people are planning on getting one? |
| 16:39.55 | Jayce^ | not sure |
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| 16:57.25 | vontrapp | Tene: getting pchdtv cards |
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| 16:59.05 | hans | Bradipo, mrpull: it's companies with IT departments, and the process will be scripted (no humans in the loop) I hear |
| 16:59.17 | hans | so it's just a matter of handholding IT through the initial scripting, at worst. |
| 16:59.26 | mrpull | ahh... that changes everything |
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| 17:01.12 | mrpull | scp with keys? |
| 17:01.25 | mrpull | maybe rsync? |
| 17:01.39 | hans | ooh, rsync is an idea |
| 17:01.43 | hans | might save us some bandwidth |
| 17:02.05 | hans | rsync over ssh would be great, if I don't have to give them system accounts |
| 17:02.47 | tensai | to use ssh they would need a system account. you could use the scponly shell. IIRC it supports rsync |
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| 17:03.34 | mrpull | sweet. i never heard of scponly. that is a cool idea. |
| 17:04.09 | hans | or I could set up an rsync server |
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| 17:05.51 | hans | Bradipo: as for why not encrypt, at 100mb the difference in computation might be significant there |
| 17:06.01 | hans | and I don't think confidentiality is that big of an issue |
| 17:06.10 | hans | these are basically inventory lists |
| 17:10.40 | hans | ~lart fugln |
| 17:19.40 | tensai | ~lart IIS |
| 17:53.09 | levi | Woo, it's time to ride my bike up to Suncrest again. :) |
| 18:09.10 | vontrapp | ~steal levi's brakes |
| 18:14.01 | Uncle_Jesse | so, who's got $69 to give me so I can get Tiger? |
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| 18:16.43 | vontrapp | bah, just sue apple over the name and then get it |
| 18:17.09 | hans | who's suing them? tigers don't have long horns |
| 18:17.20 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 18:17.36 | vontrapp | it was in slashdot yesterday, though i only say the headline, didn't read more |
| 18:17.53 | vontrapp | s/say/saw/ |
| 18:28.00 | Uncle_Jesse | can't sue over an every day name unfortunately :-( |
| 18:32.10 | vontrapp | somebody thought they could |
| 18:36.17 | Uncle_Jesse | Anyone tried Tiger yet? |
| 18:36.35 | vontrapp | ~nudge hans |
| 18:37.05 | Jayce^ | waiting for mine to arrive next week |
| 18:37.25 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm trying to find a way to convince my wife to let me buy it - it will be a hard sell |
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| 19:16.49 | bbeattie | Anyone know if there's an image archiver? I happily deleted a directory but luckily google cached the text, I'm wondering if there's a place that might have archived the images.? :) Long shot but worth it. |
| 19:26.04 | levi | hans: It was Tiger Direct, the mail order computer place. |
| 19:31.21 | Goshen | bbeattie: hey Brandon...have you tried the wayback machine? |
| 19:31.48 | Goshen | I don't know if it has your page or not, but there are slashdot articles on it all of the time |
| 19:32.21 | dataw0lf|w | http://gmckinney.info/resources/regex.pdf |
| 19:39.51 | Goshen | Brandon: http://www.archive.org/web/web.php |
| 19:42.36 | Goshen | wow, neat, they have my clinic website on there...with pictures and all :) |
| 19:42.49 | Goshen | thats really neat to go back in time and look how your site has evolved |
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| 19:58.58 | bbeattie | .. The page in question wasn't linked directly from the main page |
| 19:59.11 | bbeattie | it's alright, I've got the imsages elsewhere, just was wondering if there was a quicker way.. |
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| 20:04.49 | Goshen | Brandon: are you presenting mythtv in may to slugg? or do I need to drive down to byu to see it? |
| 20:05.08 | Goshen | sllug |
| 20:05.11 | Jayce^ | when is UUG doing it? |
| 20:05.16 | Jayce^ | or do you mean Plug? |
| 20:06.04 | Goshen | read it on one of the web sites |
| 20:06.08 | Goshen | don't remember which |
| 20:06.24 | Goshen | bbeattie: they have sub pages in wayback machine |
| 20:06.33 | Goshen | my entire site is on there from Jan 2004..what a trip |
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| 20:16.17 | bbeattie | The web page was 2 months old, the wayback hasn't been there since... |
| 20:16.28 | Goshen | bummer |
| 20:18.05 | Goshen | Brandon: did you see my question about mythtv presentation? |
| 20:18.11 | bbeattie | I did |
| 20:18.42 | bbeattie | Oh, that one |
| 20:18.51 | bbeattie | I'm presenting in May for PLUG and SLLUG |
| 20:18.59 | bbeattie | OALUG will probably be August September |
| 20:20.10 | Goshen | ok good, I won't have to travel :) |
| 20:20.13 | bbeattie | PLUG/SLLUG will be more about Myth, the last month UVLUG was a HTPC and Myth in one, OALUG will be a mix.. there's so much to cover, that there's two types of presentations. The one including HTPC you can get most everything from the Linux HTPC howto I wrote |
| 20:20.17 | Goshen | which day for SLLUG? |
| 20:20.34 | bbeattie | the 18th |
| 20:20.40 | Goshen | ok, I will put it in my schedule |
| 20:21.16 | Goshen | my friend who works in research at the U wants to come too |
| 20:21.23 | Goshen | he can just come over from work :) |
| 20:21.59 | Goshen | 7pm start? |
| 20:21.59 | bbeattie | You'll want to review my howto before comming, icnase you have questions.. SLLUG's and PLUG's presentations won't be as much about what to get, as how to tweak Myth, the desktop, autostarts, work with Xine for DVD's and so on |
| 20:21.59 | bbeattie | 7:10 |
| 20:22.07 | Goshen | ok, url? I have seen your site, but don't remember the url |
| 20:22.09 | bbeattie | mplayer.. etc. |
| 20:22.20 | Goshen | so get it installed before coming, got it :) |
| 20:22.25 | bbeattie | Building a HTPC is a critical topic, and in all there's way too much to cover. |
| 20:22.41 | bbeattie | No.. :) But read the howto incase you have questions. :) |
| 20:22.50 | Goshen | url to howto? |
| 20:23.01 | bbeattie | linuxis.us/linux/media/howto/linux-htpc |
| 20:24.13 | Goshen | thank you |
| 20:24.44 | bbeattie | no problem. :) |
| 20:24.50 | bbeattie | E-mail me if you have any questions. |
| 20:25.15 | bbeattie | .. I've got to run, last day here at this company and need to pre finish up loose ends. |
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| 20:29.01 | hans | so coworkers just got back from hhgg |
| 20:29.05 | hans | good reviews |
| 20:32.13 | hans | ~lart Jayce^ |
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| 20:36.14 | jsmith | hans: Really -- I'm expecting it to be disappointing |
| 20:36.45 | hans | so if you're disappointed in your expectations, does the double negative mean that you're appointed? |
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| 20:37.33 | jsmith | Something like that. |
| 21:09.27 | fozz | Fire. Pretty. |
| 21:10.01 | tensai | maybe you've got 50,000,000 widgets |
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| 21:15.44 | jsmith | tensai: No, I've got 50,000,000 rows in a corrupt table :-) |
| 21:16.03 | hans | 50000000 corrupt widgets? |
| 21:16.30 | mrpull | i've asked more than once... but can MySQL do a PIT recovery? |
| 21:16.35 | fozz | Yeah, MySQL's good for 5, maybe 50, rows. ;-) |
| 21:16.52 | fozz | But 5x10^7?! |
| 21:17.02 | jsmith | fozz: Yeah, something like that... The other day I found a table that was 45 gigs. |
| 21:17.29 | mrpull | holy cow. |
| 21:17.31 | fozz | I'd hate to do a join on that. |
| 21:17.45 | fozz | Or an update- lock everyone else out. |
| 21:17.52 | jsmith | Join? Shoot -- people who build tables that big aren't smart enough to understand joins. |
| 21:17.58 | fozz | (unless you're using InnoDB, which nobody uses) |
| 21:18.12 | jsmith | fozz: MyISAM tables, in MySQL 3.x series |
| 21:18.19 | fozz | ugh |
| 21:18.41 | jsmith | ugh-lee |
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| 21:23.24 | mrpull | how do you backup a table that big? |
| 21:23.31 | mrpull | dump the whole thing? |
| 21:23.33 | hans | you cross your fingers |
| 21:25.08 | mrpull | <crickets> |
| 21:25.36 | jsmith | mrpull: You don't wanna know. |
| 21:26.10 | mrpull | let's hear it. I'm somewhat involved with MS SQL, MySQL, and (to a lesser extent) Oracle |
| 21:26.23 | mrpull | MySQL doesn't seem to have the backup tools that the others do. |
| 21:26.31 | mrpull | but every time I ask... |
| 21:26.47 | mrpull | no one has any suggestions |
| 21:27.09 | vontrapp | gzipped table dumps |
| 21:27.31 | mrpull | that's what I was afraid of. how frequently do you dump them? |
| 21:27.37 | jsmith | Well, personally I prefer the "lock the table, create an LVM snapshot" method |
| 21:27.41 | jsmith | mrpull: Every night :-) |
| 21:27.52 | jsmith | But unfortunately, I don't have LVM on any of these boxes. |
| 21:27.56 | vontrapp | thrice daily |
| 21:28.08 | mrpull | so when your table gets whacked 3 minutes before your dump.... |
| 21:28.08 | jsmith | So, for now, it's gzipped table dumps :-( |
| 21:28.36 | mrpull | the LVM solution sounds nice... how long does it take to make a _big_ snapshot |
| 21:28.39 | levi | I try to avoid databases altogether. :) |
| 21:28.40 | mrpull | ? |
| 21:28.44 | vontrapp | mrpull: oh, we keep about.... many dumps back |
| 21:29.05 | hans | mrpull: I don't know about LVM, but there's a similar method on the IBM fibrechannel hardware we have |
| 21:29.13 | mrpull | and inbetween your dumps? can you replay transaction logs? |
| 21:29.22 | hans | makes a snapshot (instant) and performance is only slightly (as in we haven't noticed) degraded |
| 21:29.47 | mrpull | interesting. I haven't had an excuse to use LVM snapshots yet. I'll have to try that out. |
| 21:31.22 | hans | what kind of a name is "Chicken of the V |
| 21:31.24 | hans | NC" |
| 21:31.24 | hans | ? |
| 21:31.59 | tensai | mrpull: I believe LVM snapshots are copy-on-write (COW), so they shouldn't take long at all. none of mine have been all that large, though. |
| 21:32.10 | tensai | we're just now starting to deploy LVM. I love it though |
| 21:32.25 | hans | it's slick |
| 21:32.27 | mrpull | i've used it to resize volumes, but nothing more |
| 21:32.31 | mrpull | sounds really nice |
| 21:33.22 | levi | hans: A play on the alternate name for tuna. |
| 21:33.38 | levi | hans: Appreciate the humor, c'mon! |
| 21:33.56 | hans | VNC is an alternet name for tuna? |
| 21:34.22 | mrpull | no... but "chicken of the sea" is :) |
| 21:34.25 | levi | hans: No, 'Chicken of the sea' |
| 21:34.37 | hans | ok, I see. a stretch, but at least it is an origin |
| 21:34.50 | levi | And sea sounds like the C in VNC. |
| 21:35.20 | mrpull | is it chicken? or fish? (sheepishly admitting I watched newlyweds) |
| 21:35.47 | vontrapp | where did chicken of the vnc come from? |
| 21:35.52 | bucky | sheep of the sea? |
| 21:35.54 | hans | mac vnc client |
| 21:36.08 | vontrapp | oh, right |
| 21:36.47 | mrpull | " Ask Any Mermaid You Happen to See . . . What’s the Best Tuna? Chicken of the Sea" |
| 21:38.39 | jsmith | It's not fish -- it's sea-chicken! |
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| 21:51.05 | Lars-UT | A while back I gave you guys a heads up on Star Wars Ep 3 tix - well, arrangements have now been finalized & the tickets printed... |
| 21:51.18 | hans | hmm? |
| 21:51.31 | hans | counterfeit tickets? |
| 21:51.36 | Lars-UT | 3 Buddies & I decided to rent out a theatre |
| 21:51.55 | Lars-UT | we had our own tickets printed for the event |
| 21:52.22 | Lars-UT | Since we've paid for the whole theatre we're responsible for admission |
| 21:52.45 | Lars-UT | Anyway here's the official announcement: |
| 21:52.50 | Lars-UT | Come one, come all and join us at Stadium Cinemas(all screens THX certified), Friday May 20 for the final installment of George Lucas' fantasy..... Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith. HERLO.ORG has obtained exclusive rights to the midnight showing. We'll begin seating at 11:30pm. Invite your friends, loved ones, and even co-workers -- anyone you think would enjoy the show. |
| 21:52.50 | Lars-UT | Tickets may be purchased for $7.50 (cash) or $7.75 online(via the PayPal link on HERLO.ORG using your credit or debit card). If you opt to purchase tickets online please forward me(lars.rasmussen@gmail.com) a copy of the confirmation email you receive from PayPal indicating that your payment has been received, and I'll make sure you get the correct number of tickets. |
| 21:52.51 | Lars-UT | Stadium Cinemas is located at 633 South 950 West (Exit 252) in Payson, Utah. |
| 21:53.37 | Lars-UT | I'd like to flood the theatre with as many geeks like myself as possible. |
| 21:54.12 | hans | make a website with that info and put the url in the topic |
| 21:54.23 | Lars-UT | that's what the herlo.org link is |
| 21:54.36 | usynic | payson?! |
| 21:54.43 | hans | is that theater any good? |
| 21:54.47 | Lars-UT | only THX theatre in Utah County |
| 21:54.56 | tensai | Lars-UT: can I ask how much it cost to rent the theater? (ballpark is fine) |
| 21:54.59 | Lars-UT | all 6 screens - in short, yes. |
| 21:55.08 | usynic | hrmm... should I buy my ticket now? I signed that petition about the starwars kid. |
| 21:55.11 | Lars-UT | $6.50 per ticket |
| 21:55.28 | Lars-UT | We're using the margin to cover the printing costs & buy prizes |
| 21:56.01 | Lars-UT | usynic: up to you |
| 21:56.10 | hans | peetition? |
| 21:56.14 | hans | er, petition? |
| 21:56.41 | usynic | yeah, there was one about how the movie would be boycotted if the starwars kid (I can't remember his name) wasn't in the 3rd episode. |
| 21:57.07 | hans | "the starwars kid"? |
| 21:57.12 | hans | who the heck is that? goozbach? |
| 21:57.21 | JoshH | nothing would be better than seeing jar jar dismembered with a red lightsaber |
| 21:57.25 | JoshH | i doubt it will happen though |
| 21:57.30 | Lars-UT | tensai: it was $6.50 per seat. 203 seats in this case -- $1319.50. |
| 21:57.35 | usynic | hans: you've never seen the starwars kid movies? |
| 21:57.44 | hans | guess not |
| 21:58.15 | Lars-UT | I still like the quote from the first trailer: "Are you threatening me, Master Jedi?" |
| 21:58.53 | usynic | hans: http://www.jedimaster.net/ |
| 22:00.56 | Lars-UT | If you feel more comfortable paying cash stop by the office ( http://tinyurl.com/42kfz ) & ask for me (Lars). |
| 22:01.22 | Lars-UT | We're downstairs. |
| 22:02.05 | vontrapp | oh goody, herbal buds smokeshop advertisement |
| 22:02.18 | Lars-UT | ? |
| 22:02.26 | vontrapp | on that jedimaster page |
| 22:02.45 | Lars-UT | targeted marketing? |
| 22:03.13 | Lars-UT | maybe that's what some people like to refer to as "the force"... |
| 22:03.54 | vontrapp | haha |
| 22:05.34 | Lars-UT | I wanted to give IRC first dibs - would it be appropriate to post this as OT on the LUGs? |
| 22:05.43 | hans | I think so |
| 22:05.56 | Lars-UT | will do. |
| 22:10.48 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. | SW:EP3 midnight showing in Payson. see herlo.org or ask Lars |
| 22:11.25 | Lars-UT | tensai: thanks |
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| 22:24.26 | tapH20guru | Lars-UT: how much did it cost you rent the place out? |
| 22:25.14 | tensai | <Lars-UT> tensai: it was $6.50 per seat. 203 seats in this case -- $1319.50. |
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| 22:26.58 | tapH20guru | doh |
| 22:27.08 | tapH20guru | i thought that was the ticket price |
| 22:29.11 | tapH20guru | you only have to sell 176 tickets to break even |
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| 22:29.26 | Lars-UT | I think printing was 35 or 40 bucks |
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| 22:30.44 | Lars-UT | Anyway, we're not out to make money on this - we just want it to be fun |
| 22:30.56 | tapH20guru | it's a good idea |
| 22:31.49 | Lars-UT | The way to make money would be to rent all the opening showings on multiple screens at a large theatre and charge a premium |
| 22:32.41 | Mecworks | This is cool: http://www.bme.szm.sk/bambooframe.htm |
| 22:32.48 | Mecworks | bamboo mt. bike |
| 22:33.40 | Lars-UT | umm... bamboo cuts - a lot. |
| 22:33.46 | tensai | Mecworks: what's a typical bike weight? |
| 22:34.02 | Mecworks | 25 lbs equiped |
| 22:34.24 | tensai | so 23.6 isn't bad |
| 22:34.27 | Mecworks | so, that's right about spot on. |
| 22:34.31 | Mecworks | yeah |
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