| 00:07.30 | timwright1 | All - I'm looking for someone with a good Linux and Admin resume that would like some part time work . 350.00 for a day or so of work. tim@gonss.com thanks |
| 00:10.02 | mrpull | timwright1: http://www.iodynamics.com/ |
| 00:10.24 | mrpull | i'm not sure what their pricing is... but they have a good reputation around here |
| 00:12.56 | mrpull | http://www.asksasha.com/ is another local guy with a good rep |
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| 00:16.41 | timwright1 | Thanks - please spread the word |
| 00:20.53 | hans | env is a great way to be portable, and a great way to be insecure |
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| 00:53.54 | hans | here I thought my problem was the objectClass stuff and gq was just mad because I hadn't specified the values for the required elements of posixAccount. doh |
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| 03:37.12 | hans | osx's mail app is great except it doesn't seem to pay attention to which imap folders are subscribed |
| 03:37.59 | mrpull_ | hans: did you get a free upgrade to tiger when you bougt your mac? |
| 03:38.07 | hans | yes, mostly |
| 03:38.50 | mrpull_ | pay shipping? |
| 03:41.05 | hans | no, it's free, but I had to call them and talk them into it (not too hard) because I bought it a day too soon |
| 03:41.24 | mrpull_ | funny. I had a friend do the same thing. |
| 03:41.35 | mrpull_ | but he returned it, and bought it back |
| 03:41.42 | mrpull_ | (the store's idea) |
| 03:42.18 | mrpull_ | subtle? you have to buy their hardware to even play! |
| 03:43.00 | findlay | you can't buy apple hardware without paying for the OS, which would be useless in my case, since I would refuse to use it |
| 03:44.42 | hans | findlay: and yet you purchase music that has been in the public domain for centuries |
| 03:45.05 | mrpull_ | purchase a recording of a performance? or purchase music? |
| 03:45.29 | findlay | last time I checked, the Berliner Philharmoniker wasn't in the public domain |
| 03:47.41 | findlay | besides, printed music does have a marginal cost |
| 03:47.55 | findlay | engraving is one of the most difficult trades to master |
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| 04:27.58 | findlay | ibot: welcome |
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| 14:17.40 | Uncle_Jesse | So, anyone want to be hacked today? :-) |
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| 14:20.34 | emcnabb | no thanks :-) |
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| 14:36.09 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: bet you can't hack me |
| 14:36.33 | tapH20guru | lol... is your ip 127.0.0.1? |
| 14:37.00 | hans | how did you know!?!?! |
| 14:37.24 | tapH20guru | ummm yeah... the /. article gave it away |
| 14:39.34 | Uncle_Jesse | mine's 129.0.0.1 |
| 14:39.43 | Uncle_Jesse | no, 127.0.0.1 - yeah, that's it |
| 14:39.53 | tapH20guru | really? wow me too |
| 14:40.21 | Uncle_Jesse | I was rolling on the floor - and I thought I was an idiot yesterday |
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| 14:47.25 | hans | lart lukfugl |
| 14:48.14 | lukfugl | ~lart hans |
| 14:48.44 | lukfugl | is there a php equivalent to ruby's *array? |
| 14:49.15 | hans | no idea |
| 14:49.24 | lukfugl | particularly in the method signature: e.g. def my_method( a, b, *others ) { |
| 14:49.26 | hans | I hope they put you out of your misery soon |
| 14:49.37 | hans | now that I highly doubt |
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| 14:50.10 | lukfugl | hans: presentation is at noon, after that I'm washing my hands of this foul language |
| 14:51.04 | tapH20guru | lukfugl: you a rails fan? |
| 14:51.51 | lukfugl | tapH20guru: yes |
| 14:52.08 | lukfugl | unfortunately I haven't convinced my employers yet :) |
| 14:52.26 | tapH20guru | i'm a php developer by day but rails is really impressive |
| 14:52.36 | hans | tapwater, does that mean you're a guru of tap water? or that you're a guru made of tap water, or what? |
| 14:52.53 | tapH20guru | hmmm... never thought of it that way |
| 14:53.02 | tapH20guru | more like a guru of tap water |
| 14:53.16 | tapH20guru | it was a sweet band name I came up with |
| 14:53.51 | tapH20guru | admittedly, band names and IRC nicks are similar |
| 14:54.01 | hans | tapwater? or taph20guru? |
| 14:54.07 | lukfugl | wanna see my sweet band name? |
| 14:54.09 | hans | tapwater could make a good bandname. |
| 14:54.30 | lukfugl | "The Sweet Band" |
| 14:54.33 | hans | If I had a band, we would play bach and our name would be "Fugal" |
| 14:54.39 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 14:56.50 | tapH20guru | hans: I think the name was "Tapwater Guru" |
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| 15:00.01 | Uncle_Jesse | How do I find out what a domain is cnamed to with dig? |
| 15:02.30 | hans | "Ruby on Rails is astounding. Using it is like watching a kung-fu movie, where a dozen bad-ass frameworks prepare to beat up the little newcomer only to be handed their asses in a variety of imaginative ways." |
| 15:02.43 | tapH20guru | LOL |
| 15:02.59 | tapH20guru | there's one for bash.org |
| 15:03.38 | hans | from http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/2005/04/on_conferences.html |
| 15:09.06 | levi | Good morning. |
| 15:23.45 | lukfugl | hmm, looks like func_get_args + call_user_func_array is what I want |
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| 15:40.18 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: uh, dig name.example.com |
| 15:48.27 | Uncle_Jesse | must not have a cname |
| 15:49.02 | hans | host -t cname www.fugal.net |
| 15:49.07 | hans | is that what you're looking for? |
| 15:54.50 | Jayce^ | djork |
| 15:54.54 | lukfugl | :) |
| 15:55.01 | lukfugl | I remember that one |
| 15:55.59 | Jayce^ | http://www.micronet.com/General/minimate.asp |
| 15:56.01 | Jayce^ | oooohhhh |
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| 15:56.49 | lukfugl | wow, nice |
| 15:58.27 | lukfugl | and only $500 with 400GB |
| 15:58.35 | goozbach | nerd rock forever!!! |
| 15:59.34 | Jayce^ | goozbach++ |
| 15:59.37 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: that's probably it, but I don't think there's a cname where I thought there was |
| 15:59.49 | Jayce^ | goozbach, man, we rocked back then |
| 16:01.26 | Uncle_Jesse | The President of our division has a good ThinkGeek idea |
| 16:01.41 | hans | is that the same guy that doesn't want cvs? |
| 16:01.59 | Uncle_Jesse | A "cube-grenade" - it has a timer for 4 secs and then explodes confetti all over |
| 16:02.17 | Uncle_Jesse | all kinds of office fun there |
| 16:02.28 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: no - the guy who doesn't want cvs's boss |
| 16:02.43 | Jayce^ | Uncle_Jesse, just get a paintball grenade, even more fun :) |
| 16:02.45 | Uncle_Jesse | I don't think the President cares one way or another |
| 16:02.59 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: lol - don't think that would fly in the office :-) |
| 16:06.17 | tensai | Jayce^: victim |
| 16:06.24 | Jayce^ | speaking of which, saturday afternoon, anybody want to try? |
| 16:06.37 | Jayce^ | tensai, yes, but I try to woo them with fine words :) |
| 16:06.57 | tensai | more appropriate would probably be "target" |
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| 16:10.45 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: of course it would fly. you can't deny physics, even in a cvs-free office. |
| 16:14.29 | goozbach | damn slow internet -- |
| 16:14.42 | lukfugl | Jayce^: right after HHGG, you provide equipment? :) |
| 16:15.36 | lukfugl | and no equipment |
| 16:16.13 | goozbach | bah |
| 16:16.25 | hans | hab |
| 16:16.42 | goozbach | this is painfull |
| 16:17.05 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, depending if my wife goes or not.. |
| 16:17.18 | Jayce^ | if she goes, then I only have one good spare, unless you like playing with a pump :) |
| 16:17.44 | hans | oh, he likes it |
| 16:18.07 | Jayce^ | hehe... lukfugl with a pump amongst some great semi's :) |
| 16:18.18 | Jayce^ | you learn *real* fast how to be accurate, or dead |
| 16:18.25 | lukfugl | heh |
| 16:19.05 | lukfugl | well, as saturday gets closer, let me know :) I'd love to, but my wife would kill me if I went without her |
| 16:19.53 | goozbach | which is worse? |
| 16:19.58 | vontrapp | i can go without a wife! |
| 16:20.05 | lukfugl | ~lart vontrapp |
| 16:20.09 | goozbach | no internet or painfully slow internet? |
| 16:20.24 | vontrapp | probably no internet |
| 16:20.29 | lukfugl | I spoke up first! :) But if you only have one spare, yes you can give it to vontrapp |
| 16:20.32 | hans | painfully slow, if it's temporary |
| 16:20.39 | goozbach | hans: for a week |
| 16:20.44 | hans | but over the long haul, none would be worse |
| 16:20.52 | goozbach | ok painfullly slow for a week |
| 16:20.56 | lukfugl | but only if you take pictures of his massacre for all to enjoy |
| 16:20.57 | goozbach | or none for three weeks |
| 16:20.57 | hans | then none would be worse |
| 16:21.58 | Uncle_Jesse | Is anyone here a CPAN PAUSE user? |
| 16:23.10 | Uncle_Jesse | I thought they had a subversion server their users could use |
| 16:23.37 | lukfugl | stickball? vontrapp already shows his superior experience |
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| 16:24.43 | vontrapp | lukfugl: just learned this on irc last week :) |
| 16:25.01 | vontrapp | as long as i can hide while i pump, i'm good |
| 16:27.26 | vontrapp | (and make a sneaky shot that counts) |
| 16:27.42 | vontrapp | cpan isn't free? |
| 16:29.03 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.freepan.org |
| 16:29.47 | lukfugl | cpan is to freepan as PAL is to BSD? |
| 16:29.52 | vontrapp | i see |
| 16:30.20 | lukfugl | oh, ok, nevermind |
| 16:36.30 | vontrapp | :w comes all to naturally |
| 16:36.42 | vontrapp | i have to be careful when editing realtime sensitive files |
| 16:39.04 | lukfugl | vontrapp: you gonna come help watch Johnny tonight? |
| 16:39.14 | lukfugl | we'll bring ticket to ride, and watch smallville |
| 16:39.16 | vontrapp | what's hans doing? |
| 16:39.22 | vontrapp | oh yeah! |
| 16:39.27 | lukfugl | temple night |
| 16:39.29 | vontrapp | wait, it is wednesday |
| 16:39.42 | hans | hence smallville. you're quick today |
| 16:40.12 | hans | ~tease vontrapp |
| 16:40.14 | ibot | ACTION tickles vontrapp with a feather and makes vontrapp rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 16:41.58 | vontrapp | acronymfinder doesn't know that one |
| 16:42.23 | lukfugl | "rolling on the floor laughing my arse off peeing in my pants"-ing |
| 16:42.51 | lukfugl | although I don't know why ibot would want vontrapp peeing in his (ibot's) pants |
| 16:43.24 | lukfugl | or laughing ibot's butt off |
| 16:43.39 | vontrapp | and i'm not very susceptible to feathers |
| 16:44.01 | vontrapp | what time, yo? |
| 16:44.09 | lukfugl | that whole ~tease is grammatically screwed up |
| 16:44.33 | lukfugl | how do you "make vontrapp *-ing"? I make vontrapp walking! |
| 16:45.31 | vontrapp | ~tease lukfugl |
| 16:45.33 | ibot | ACTION tickles lukfugl with a feather and makes lukfugl rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 16:50.02 | vontrapp | now that i can believe, minus the grammatical problems |
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| 16:51.25 | hans | you made him lose his terminal |
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| 16:52.54 | vontrapp | i can actually see lukfugl rotflmaopimp from a feather |
| 16:53.09 | vontrapp | er, rotflhaopihp |
| 16:55.17 | Uncle_Jesse | mmm...thai food |
| 16:56.15 | Uncle_Jesse | okay - someone needs to fix this: http://wiki.freepan.org/index.cgi?FreepanContentRequirements |
| 16:56.29 | jsmith | Uncle_Jesse: Thai food? Yummy! |
| 16:57.16 | Uncle_Jesse | it's the only place I can practice my Thai these day |
| 16:57.57 | vontrapp | Uncle_Jesse: um, what is the deal with that? |
| 16:58.36 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: yeah - someone's having fun it looks like |
| 16:59.51 | hans | tensai: we use cacti. a lot. lol |
| 17:09.10 | vontrapp | i use apickle |
| 17:09.44 | tensai | I had abowlofcereal this morning for breakfast |
| 17:10.59 | vontrapp | food = kitchen.getBowlOfCereal |
| 17:11.07 | vontrapp | self.eat food |
| 17:11.25 | hans | good idea, we should make a point of mocking people who say alot with aLot |
| 17:18.07 | vontrapp | i seem to remember something about a lot and alot both being correct in thier respective uses |
| 17:18.32 | vontrapp | eg they're not equal, but both are valid |
| 17:18.32 | hans | sjansen was probably poisoning your mind |
| 17:18.42 | vontrapp | my memory could be way off, though |
| 17:18.55 | tensai | you're probably thinking of the word allot, which means to portion out. |
| 17:19.07 | vontrapp | this is elementary school memory here |
| 17:19.20 | vontrapp | tensai: no, that's not it |
| 17:19.23 | tensai | or maybe your teacher was drinking some funky kool-aid |
| 17:19.33 | vontrapp | it was in abook |
| 17:19.43 | vontrapp | hehe, that was unintentional |
| 17:19.48 | tensai | funny though |
| 17:20.16 | vontrapp | maybe sjansen wrote the book, who knows... |
| 17:20.35 | tensai | my hs english teacher described it this way. "a lot" is two words, just like "a chicken" |
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| 17:24.36 | scott_ | anyone know if there are open access (regular students) computers on BYU campus that have dvd burners? |
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| 17:25.03 | jsmith | scott_: I have no idea (didn't go to BYU), but usually the Art departments have the nicest DVD burners :-) |
| 17:26.04 | scott_ | what's the difference between DVD-RW and DVD+RW? |
| 17:26.18 | hans | scott, a + |
| 17:26.22 | hans | or a+ |
| 17:26.57 | scott_ | ohh, hadn't noticed that :) |
| 17:26.58 | vontrapp | so if you want better grades, use the latter |
| 17:26.59 | tensai | scott_: same as vhs vs. betamax |
| 17:29.29 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: no, a - |
| 17:30.14 | Uncle_Jesse | well, I guess it is really a | that is the difference |
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| 18:25.16 | Tene | I seem to remember something about not being able to do multiple sessions on - discs |
| 18:25.19 | Tene | not sure, though |
| 18:46.08 | hans | http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=ALOT |
| 18:54.48 | hans | sweet. spamcop has gmail on their rbl |
| 18:55.26 | hans | http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=blcheck&ip=64.233.162.195 |
| 19:00.01 | levi | Ahh, nice bike ride. |
| 19:42.02 | tensai | spamcop is a joke. I'd love to thwack them with the cluebat. |
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| 19:46.17 | levi | Man, RMS is an ass: http://www.dd.chalmers.se/~bojohan/rms.txt |
| 19:46.56 | scott_ | had anyone heard of go daddy before the superbowl? |
| 19:47.13 | dataw0lf|w | ... of course. |
| 19:47.43 | scott_ | it was already pretty big? |
| 19:47.49 | dataw0lf|w | Yes. |
| 19:47.52 | lukfugl | umm, yeah |
| 19:47.52 | levi | Yup. |
| 19:48.13 | dataw0lf|w | you'd never heard of GoDaddy before the Super Bowl ? |
| 19:48.22 | scott_ | nope |
| 19:48.25 | dataw0lf|w | wow. |
| 19:48.32 | hans | what does the superbowl have to do with anything? |
| 19:49.02 | dataw0lf|w | GoDaddy ran some commercials during it. |
| 19:49.22 | scott_ | that were replayed like a million times on all the news stations |
| 19:49.31 | hans | why? |
| 19:50.00 | scott_ | they were controversial apparently |
| 19:50.30 | hans | how? |
| 19:50.38 | dataw0lf|w | only if you're a uptight freak with nothing to do but start a controversy over said commercials. |
| 19:51.21 | hans | lukfugl: so give us the juice |
| 19:51.33 | lukfugl | the juice? |
| 19:51.40 | hans | on the meeting |
| 19:51.44 | scott_ | dataw0lf|w: it was the media that made them controversial. I saw it like a dozen times on CNN before the superbowl even started |
| 19:51.46 | lukfugl | oh, that juice |
| 19:51.54 | lukfugl | resistance, as expected, but overall pretty well |
| 19:52.15 | dataw0lf|w | scott_: sure, but nothing can be controversial if people don't feed into it. |
| 19:53.14 | lukfugl | 3 or 4 of the five attendees got the point by the end, with one adamantly resistant |
| 19:53.29 | lukfugl | I think the resistance was because I chose a poor example though |
| 19:53.49 | lukfugl | I never got around to showing the ruby code though :( |
| 19:53.59 | lukfugl | I did mention ruby on rails at the end though :) |
| 19:55.12 | lukfugl | oh, and the examples in the initial introduction were ruby, from Jim Weirich's blog article |
| 19:56.29 | lukfugl | scott_: so why did CNN consider the commercials controversial? |
| 19:58.45 | dataw0lf|w | because Fox pulled it's second spot at the NFL's urging |
| 19:58.54 | hans | how was the example poor? |
| 19:59.14 | hans | fox pulled it is second spot at the nfl's urging? |
| 19:59.44 | levi | I've got tickets for HHGG at 9:40pm on Friday at Jordan Commons' Cricket screen. Woo. :) |
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| 20:00.49 | lukfugl | didn't scale. I was using DI to inject specific view instances for the controller to instantiate. The controller sez, "see, right here, I'm going to instantiate a 'foo' view. Go ahead and tell the DI container what a 'foo' view is, and I'll get it from there" |
| 20:01.15 | lukfugl | nice and nifty for 5-10 views, but my coworker pointed out that if you have 500 potential views, that becomes unwieldy |
| 20:01.53 | lukfugl | I agree, but neither of us were communicating very well so the issue of the argument wasn't discovered until after 20 minutes of debate by which point he was turned off to any other potential benefits |
| 20:01.59 | spr | is there any reason print "$old[6]:\n"; in perl would take a value (like 123456 in $old[6]) would print as :23456? |
| 20:03.08 | lukfugl | ok, so why did the NFL request the commercial pulled? Having not seen the commercial, I'd like to have some idea... |
| 20:03.17 | dataw0lf|w | it was supposedly too sexual in nature. |
| 20:04.02 | hans | spr: I'm really having a hard time parsing that question |
| 20:04.21 | hans | lukfugl: I don't see what the unwieldiness is but I'll believe you |
| 20:04.28 | spr | ok, I have a line that is: print "$old[6]:\n"; |
| 20:04.39 | spr | $old[6] has the value 123456 |
| 20:04.47 | spr | it prints out: :23456 |
| 20:05.01 | lukfugl | dos or windows? |
| 20:05.11 | hans | briliant |
| 20:05.15 | lukfugl | my guess is it's printing just the carriage return without the line feed |
| 20:05.26 | spr | lukfugl, linux |
| 20:05.35 | lukfugl | hmm, that should be fine then |
| 20:05.51 | hans | what about "$old[6] :\n"? |
| 20:05.53 | vontrapp | lukfugl: if it was "$old[6]\n:" maybe that would make sense |
| 20:05.55 | lukfugl | are you in some sort of weird curses environment that suppresses the line feed? |
| 20:06.08 | lukfugl | vontrapp: good point |
| 20:06.38 | spr | hans, deletes an extra character, and puts the space at the front of the line |
| 20:07.04 | lukfugl | sure sounds like a line feed issue |
| 20:07.10 | lukfugl | ah, ah ah |
| 20:07.22 | lukfugl | $old[6] doesn't contain "123456" |
| 20:07.30 | lukfugl | it contains "123456\r" |
| 20:07.54 | lukfugl | try chomping $old[6] before printing |
| 20:07.56 | vontrapp | ~lart \r |
| 20:08.19 | vontrapp | nobody wants you \r, just go away |
| 20:08.38 | lukfugl | spr: did that fix it? |
| 20:08.48 | lukfugl | if so, you need to find out where the \r is coming from |
| 20:09.05 | spr | lukfugl, so just: chomp $old[6]; |
| 20:09.09 | lukfugl | yup |
| 20:09.28 | spr | no good |
| 20:09.32 | lukfugl | I don't think chomp works in place though, so $old[6] = chomp $old[6]; |
| 20:09.46 | hans | i think chomp does do its thing in place |
| 20:09.55 | vontrapp | yay for rain1 |
| 20:09.57 | hans | i used it not long ago and it struck me as way backwards |
| 20:10.00 | hans | compared to ruby |
| 20:10.05 | lukfugl | yay for rain2 |
| 20:10.39 | spr | got it, added a sed statement for \r to parse the file that's being taken in as input |
| 20:10.51 | lukfugl | hmm, looks like it is in place... darn it |
| 20:10.56 | hans | so it did have \r |
| 20:11.12 | lukfugl | apparently chomp doesn't remove \r then |
| 20:11.36 | lukfugl | nope, it doesn't |
| 20:11.47 | Jayce^ | it removes $/ which is \n on unix by default |
| 20:12.08 | Jayce^ | perldoc -f chomp for info :) |
| 20:12.27 | hans | old[6].strip! |
| 20:12.39 | hans | oh wait, wrong language |
| 20:12.57 | lukfugl | Jayce^: I was hoping it would s/\r?\n\E// but I guess not |
| 20:13.11 | hans | i hate notes. hate it hate it hate it. fall can't come too soon |
| 20:13.20 | lukfugl | notes? |
| 20:14.42 | hans | lotus notes |
| 20:14.48 | lukfugl | ah |
| 20:15.15 | hans | too complicated to explain, and it would only make me madder. just take my word for it - not well designed. |
| 20:16.18 | hans | well, I can give you a tidbit to let your imagination work on. there's no way to recover from a lost user ID file (only place with the secret key) |
| 20:16.34 | hans | add to that dumb users, bad hard drives, dumb computer repairmen, and it's a recurring nightmare |
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| 20:37.06 | flyboy^ | I'm on the hunt for an effective spam solution. I've heard good things about Vipul's Razor - anyone else use it? |
| 20:38.07 | lukfugl | Vipul... is he Occam's cousin? |
| 20:38.52 | Jayce^ | I use it as part of my spamassassin setup |
| 20:39.05 | Jayce^ | so just a part of the score |
| 20:40.22 | jsmith | Jayce^: I've heard good things about Pyzor too... but haven't tried it myself. |
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| 20:42.41 | Jayce^ | jsmith, yeah pyzor is supposed to be updated more |
| 20:42.55 | Jayce^ | SA will detect and run both |
| 20:43.27 | flyboy^ | I'll look into Pyzor. |
| 20:43.42 | bucky | Oh the weather outside is frightful But the fire is so delightful |
| 20:43.53 | bucky | And since we've no place to go |
| 20:43.55 | bucky | Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow! |
| 20:44.18 | vontrapp | bucky: are you still snowboarding? |
| 20:44.30 | bucky | oh no |
| 20:45.03 | vontrapp | i wouldn't think there's enough snow left anywhere by now |
| 20:45.15 | bucky | we must be getting all that weather those poor third world millionaires in Santa Clara just got |
| 20:47.17 | bucky | i bet brian head is getting hit right now |
| 20:49.46 | bucky | guess not http://www.brianhead.com/links/current_cam.html |
| 20:50.40 | hans | ski basin webcams are evil |
| 20:51.53 | lukfugl | hans: because they mock you? :) |
| 20:52.21 | tensai | why would a newly compiled kernel have 600 unresolved symbols when I run depmod? |
| 20:55.55 | vontrapp | "PDF eBooks, read one for free!" |
| 20:56.11 | vontrapp | makes it sound like it's such a novel thing to read a book for free |
| 20:57.36 | vontrapp | tensai: maybe you need the new module-init-tools or whichever is the newer |
| 20:58.23 | bucky | tensai, because you didn't run make modules_install ? |
| 20:58.33 | hans | tensai: or perhaps the unresolved symbols will go away after reboot? |
| 20:58.43 | tensai | I made a debian package, the modules are all installed |
| 20:59.10 | vontrapp | a debian package of what? |
| 20:59.12 | tensai | hans: I tried that but I get a kernel panic because reiserfs isn't able to load |
| 20:59.56 | vontrapp | you can't have the root filesystem in a module unless you use initrd |
| 21:00.07 | tensai | I am using an initrd |
| 21:00.12 | tensai | debian kernel package |
| 21:00.36 | bucky | tensai, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 21:00.53 | bucky | i'd try it that way :) |
| 21:01.18 | hans | I used to do the make-kpkg thing but it got old |
| 21:01.37 | hans | now I just make && sudo make modules_install install |
| 21:01.38 | tensai | yeah, same here but I need bigmem support :( |
| 21:01.42 | JoshH | same here |
| 21:01.46 | vontrapp | he used to tell me to do it, too |
| 21:01.48 | JoshH | i never cared about doing it the debian way |
| 21:02.12 | tensai | oh, actually I like the debian way. I just hate making kernels at all. |
| 21:02.17 | hans | having the package was nice, but I guess not nice enough to warrant the extra effort. |
| 21:02.22 | JoshH | and i hate initrd's, i always build my root fs in |
| 21:02.33 | lukfugl | hmmm |
| 21:02.35 | bucky | i like it.. i have a kerenl deb with mppe that i can install on a server with no development pacakages |
| 21:02.36 | vontrapp | here here |
| 21:02.41 | vontrapp | initrd's are lame |
| 21:02.48 | hans | actually, the biggest gripe I had was that it would have to rebuild the whole thing because of the clean at the beginning of the debian package build |
| 21:02.58 | hans | I never use initrds |
| 21:03.04 | tensai | bucky: exactly. I intend to install this kernel on three other servers, assuming I can make it work. grr |
| 21:03.10 | JoshH | bucky: on a server i wouldnt even bother building a custom kernel unless i had to for some reason |
| 21:03.23 | bucky | on a server i don't want gcc |
| 21:03.36 | JoshH | its easy to remove |
| 21:03.39 | hans | that's an odd requirement |
| 21:03.41 | lukfugl | how can/should I set up X so I can easily switch between dual monitor and back? |
| 21:03.49 | bucky | and others.. make etc |
| 21:03.59 | hans | lukfugl: set up one on f7 and one on f8 |
| 21:04.16 | hans | startx -- :1 -layout "dualscreen" |
| 21:04.19 | bucky | the debian way is easy.. problem is no body reads one paragraph on how to use it |
| 21:04.45 | lukfugl | :1 is F8, right? (:0 being F7) |
| 21:04.54 | hans | I know how. I've done more the debian way than I can count |
| 21:05.06 | vontrapp | lukfugl: if you have 6 virtual terminals yes |
| 21:05.09 | hans | right. the layout parameter is whatever you called the screen section in your config |
| 21:05.24 | lukfugl | vontrapp: yup |
| 21:05.26 | vontrapp | (which most have, but knoppix doesn't, at least used to not) |
| 21:05.30 | hans | bucky: I'm just lazy |
| 21:05.41 | bucky | i don't mind using make-kpkg clean |
| 21:06.04 | hans | you don't mind waiting 15 minutes instead of 2 minutes when you realize you forgot XXX? |
| 21:06.12 | lukfugl | hans: once I have more than one layout in the config, do I need to specify which is the default anywhere? |
| 21:06.35 | hans | i don't remember, but I think it's a matter of which one is first or last or something |
| 21:07.01 | vontrapp | you're going to be explicitly calling a layout somewhere i suppose, so if you do so in both then you wouldn't need a default i imagine |
| 21:07.36 | lukfugl | vontrapp: F7 loads with kdm/gdm on startup, and I assume it's just using some default... |
| 21:07.51 | vontrapp | ah, right |
| 21:07.55 | hans | just set them both up and whichever one doesn't start on f7, start by hand. |
| 21:08.47 | vontrapp | but ideally you would probably want to set up both to run from init, and you'ld have to find how to choose a layout there. |
| 21:08.51 | hans | bucky: fwiw I did and do prefer the debian way to the 2.4 kernel vanilla way |
| 21:08.55 | hans | 2.6 is much nicer though. |
| 21:09.19 | hans | vontrapp: yeah, but if he never logs out it won't much matter |
| 21:09.26 | hans | it will keep his startx skillz honed |
| 21:09.41 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 21:12.04 | lukfugl | hmmm, to make sure I'm reading the X config right, the only difference between the two layouts will be (aside from the identifiers) different screens, and the only difference between each of the screens (aside from the identifiers) will be the devices. The Device sections are where the distinction between single and dual are made |
| 21:12.09 | lukfugl | Right? |
| 21:17.10 | hans | i'm pretty sure a serverlayout section has two screens if you're in dual-head |
| 21:17.31 | lukfugl | hans: nope |
| 21:17.41 | lukfugl | at least mine (two screens is my default) doesn't |
| 21:17.56 | hans | well, I guess not with nv |
| 21:18.13 | jsmith | If you're using the "nvidia" driver with TwinView, it's a single screen. |
| 21:18.18 | hans | yeah, you're gonna want a device section without twinview. |
| 21:18.34 | lukfugl | that's what I assumed, and experiments seem to be working |
| 21:18.35 | hans | and a different screen section to reference the different device section |
| 21:18.38 | jsmith | (Unless you're like me, and have dual-twinview goodness) |
| 21:18.54 | hans | dual-twinview? 4 monitors? that's like norad or something |
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| 21:24.03 | lukfugl | hmm, now how do I start a specific program when starting X? man page says client, being "first client program" can be specified right after "startx" but that's not working |
| 21:24.27 | lukfugl | e.g. startx ut2004 -- :1 -layout "singlelayout" |
| 21:24.45 | lukfugl | since the only time I'll need that single screen layout is for ut2004 |
| 21:25.15 | vontrapp | why do you want single screen for ut2004? |
| 21:25.25 | vontrapp | i guess the gap in the middle is less than ideal |
| 21:25.31 | lukfugl | yup |
| 21:25.41 | lukfugl | three screens would be *nice*, but dual doesn't quite work... |
| 21:27.19 | hans | 2004 is so last year |
| 21:28.31 | lukfugl | hmmm... it keeps dying, saying: Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 21:28.48 | lukfugl | obviously it is working, since I'm in X with my primary screen right now |
| 21:28.59 | hans | it wouldn't surprise me too much if only one running X could be accelerated |
| 21:29.20 | lukfugl | but I'm scared to verify the X server would come back up if I C-A-Backspace'd |
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| 21:29.34 | lukfugl | hans: that would make sense |
| 21:29.51 | lukfugl | so that means I'd have to kill X and restart in single screen mode... |
| 21:30.23 | hans | while you're at it, make a layout that uses 'nvidia' that you can use in a pinch in times of nvidia duress |
| 21:30.31 | vontrapp | dual screen in scorched3d however... |
| 21:30.55 | hans | confirm that it works on :1 (acceleration shouldn't be a problem there) |
| 21:31.12 | lukfugl | my default does use Driver "nvidia" ... |
| 21:31.12 | hans | then you'll know you can get X in any case, and hit c-a-b with confidence and glee |
| 21:31.12 | vontrapp | hans, backwards, nvidia is the proprietary drivers, nv is the generic |
| 21:31.41 | hans | oh yeah |
| 21:31.51 | lukfugl | cascaded to new screen and layout |
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| 21:39.32 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 21:42.22 | vontrapp | Hhhhhhello to you, too |
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| 22:17.03 | vontrapp | ~lart php array_merge |
| 22:17.10 | vontrapp | stupid php |
| 22:29.59 | vontrapp | yay for rain! |
| 22:30.55 | levi | I'm glad I got a bike ride in before the rain started coming down hard. |
| 22:31.20 | bucky | yay! for bike rides |
| 22:32.02 | vontrapp | levi: you still just riding roads? |
| 22:33.16 | bucky | stay away from automobile exhaust... MTBE causes testicular cancer |
| 22:33.46 | levi | vontrapp: Most of the MTB trails are still pretty mucky. |
| 22:39.30 | mrpull | anybody ever used jrun on windows? |
| 22:40.45 | levi | bucky: I avoid it as much as possible. |
| 22:41.02 | bucky | serious.. it's a bad molecule |
| 22:41.32 | levi | I believe it. |
| 22:41.48 | levi | Is it in diesel fuel, too? |
| 22:42.12 | bucky | CH3OH + CH2=C(CH3)2+ H+ --> CH3OC(CH3)3 + H+ |
| 22:42.30 | bucky | no, it just adds octane to gasoline.. a lead replacement |
| 22:42.41 | levi | That's what I thought. |
| 22:43.02 | levi | Diesel is the most common exhaust around my office, from the huge rock trucks. |
| 22:45.47 | bucky | diesel is sooty |
| 22:46.00 | bucky | carbon |
| 22:46.13 | bucky | CO |
| 22:47.51 | levi | Well, I can die from the ill-effects of sitting on my butt in an office all day, or I can die from slightly higer exposure to airborne pollutants and have fun while I'm doing it. I'll take the latter. |
| 22:50.43 | bucky | gasoline emmissions are really bad... the truth about it is suppressed |
| 22:53.38 | bucky | levi, this lispbox is pretty cool.. it has a little asci animation that turns into the version SLIME 2005-04-18 |
| 22:54.53 | levi | bucky: Yeah, slime is really slick. |
| 22:56.25 | levi | bucky: I still don't use a whole lot of it besides C-c C-c (compile sexpr) and C-c C-k (compile file), but the little help it gives you in the minibuffer as you're typing is great. |
| 22:58.21 | bucky | levi, well this whole concept of the CLOS has captured my imagination |
| 22:58.58 | levi | CLOS is pretty slick. I'm using it in my little blog program. |
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