| 00:09.48 | hans | so we need to decide on a time for hhgg |
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| 00:20.01 | spr | hans, who all is going, and can I jump in te crowd? |
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| 01:12.28 | hans | spr: whoever shows up, mostly. :) my brothers and I, jayce, etc |
| 01:12.37 | hans | saturday morning/midday ish |
| 01:12.48 | hans | new AF theaters |
| 01:19.10 | bonez39 | I have a neighbor..who called and said her windows machine won't boot..it shows this: windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: <windows root>\system32\ntoskrnl.exe please re-install a copy of the above file |
| 01:19.24 | bonez39 | this means she hosed her win xp right? |
| 01:20.00 | bonez39 | I mean, her system is hosed in the first place cause it's running xp...and winders....but is there any hope of getting this machine working? I couldn't even boot to c: |
| 01:21.43 | bonez39 | any suggestions? |
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| 02:02.53 | byronc | yep |
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| 02:29.39 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 02:57.08 | goozbach | way too much sun today |
| 02:57.49 | goozbach | 19:21 < bonez39> any suggestions? |
| 02:57.53 | goozbach | 19:28 -!- bonez39 [~aint@c-67-166-77-14 |
| 02:58.14 | goozbach | stick around for longer than 8 minutes and you might find an answer |
| 03:13.10 | goozbach | how true -> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050421 |
| 03:35.05 | fozz | ~seen tene |
| 03:35.10 | ibot | tene <~tene@slacker.developer.poipu> was last seen on IRC in channel #elive, 3d 5h 54m 7s ago, saying: 'QoS'. |
| 03:42.58 | goozbach | fozz!!! |
| 03:43.06 | goozbach | how's it goin fozz? |
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| 04:14.17 | LeviHome | Hi, everyone. |
| 04:15.08 | tensai | http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=37.233181,-115.804482&spn=0.054932,0.086174&t=k&hl=en |
| 04:15.10 | tensai | area 51 |
| 04:15.51 | LeviHome | So the white stuff is the super-secret area? |
| 04:16.02 | tensai | that would be the infamous groom lake, I think |
| 04:16.46 | LeviHome | Where are the flying saucers?! |
| 04:17.15 | tensai | who do you think took the picture? :) |
| 04:18.17 | tensai | I finally started my photoblog. http://www.zmonkey.org/photos/ |
| 04:18.33 | tensai | if I get any pictures of aliens I'll be sure to post them |
| 04:19.11 | LeviHome | Cool. |
| 04:19.42 | LeviHome | Ahh, running Drupal? |
| 04:20.06 | tensai | no, that one is wordpress |
| 04:20.46 | tensai | kinda wanted to try something else. I tried some photoblog specific cmses but wasn't impressed. |
| 04:21.01 | LeviHome | Well, your main blog is Drupal, isn't it? |
| 04:21.38 | LeviHome | I'm planning on ditching Drupal as soon as I get my custom system featureful enough to do my blog stuff. |
| 04:22.20 | tensai | yeah, that one is drupal |
| 04:23.53 | LeviHome | BTW, I highly reccomend Heinlein's collection of short stories entitled, "The Past Through Tomorrow" |
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| 04:50.19 | bonez39 | any running BEFW11S4 here? |
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| 05:09.36 | Hhhhh | hello |
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| 05:46.12 | vontrapp | does anyone know what the deal is with nerim.net? it quite being responsive and i get 404 Not Found when tryinng to get the package lists |
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| 13:57.57 | hans | morn |
| 13:58.50 | dataw0lf|w | good morning. |
| 14:00.23 | hans | sweet. it's NULL° outside |
| 14:00.26 | hans | http://www.crh.noaa.gov/forecasts/UTZ004.php?warncounty=UTC049&city=Provo |
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| 14:29.34 | Uncle_Jesse | good morning |
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| 14:55.24 | hans | sweet |
| 14:55.49 | hans | Just called apple - I bought it on the 11th and the "uptodate" program says if you bought it on the 12th or later you get to upgrade for $10 |
| 14:55.55 | hans | (to tiger) |
| 14:56.17 | hans | so they tell me I don't fall within the range of time, so I can't participate in the up to date thing |
| 14:56.28 | hans | so as a courtesy they'll just send me a retail version for free |
| 14:56.39 | tapH20guru | not bad |
| 14:56.39 | emcnabb | cool |
| 14:58.45 | hans | the way she was talking, that's less "convenient" than however the web upgrade thing works, but I'd just as soon have the physical media. and for $10 less. :) |
| 15:02.29 | hans | in other news, 64-bit xp is released today, but getting ahold of it is a herculean effort |
| 15:03.04 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
| 15:03.32 | vontrapp | right as i open a jabber window to you you leave |
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| 15:13.15 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart hans |
| 15:13.39 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: you'll have to give us a report of how you like Tiger |
| 15:13.51 | Uncle_Jesse | for all us who have to pay full price |
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| 15:18.57 | jakea | hans! So, you been looking in the mirror, darkly? |
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| 15:21.23 | vontrapp | i try to ssh and i get connection reset by peer |
| 15:21.38 | vontrapp | i'm thinking it's something with my .profile or .bashrc or something |
| 15:21.49 | vontrapp | how can i try connecting without running those? |
| 15:22.57 | vontrapp | and is anybody else having problems sshing into the byu cs computers? |
| 15:23.00 | Uncle_Jesse | ssh? or .profile/.bashrc? |
| 15:23.17 | vontrapp | without .profile/.bashrc running |
| 15:24.17 | Uncle_Jesse | I didn't think you could, but I may be wrong |
| 15:24.39 | Uncle_Jesse | s/may/probably/ |
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| 15:50.22 | hans | vontrapp: it wouldn't surprise me if the cs labs are being overhauled |
| 15:50.38 | hans | jakea: yes, yes I have |
| 15:50.50 | hans | I loved the opening credits! |
| 15:51.06 | hans | that was a nice touch |
| 15:52.01 | vontrapp | hans: for what? |
| 15:52.03 | hans | the extract from first contact was interesting too |
| 15:52.23 | hans | enterprise |
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| 15:56.37 | tapH20guru | anyone read digg.com? |
| 15:56.42 | tapH20guru | kinda interesting |
| 15:58.04 | tapH20guru | also - in the same vein as planet_utahr ... I threw together tech_pimp |
| 15:58.06 | tapH20guru | http://scott.barberfam.com/index.php/archives/2005/04/26/more-planet/ |
| 16:01.44 | hans | jakea: am I the only one who doesn't know the history of the defiant? |
| 16:06.13 | Jayce^ | getting a new computer is the ultimate in yak-shaving enablement |
| 16:06.28 | Jayce^ | especially one with a different OS |
| 16:09.01 | jsmith | No kidding... |
| 16:09.25 | jsmith | Nothing like trying to track down all your favorite programs and settings from all over the universe |
| 16:09.53 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: you get a new computer? |
| 16:10.29 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 16:10.43 | Jayce^ | "Mithril" |
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| 16:11.56 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 16:12.06 | Jayce^ | 15" powerbook |
| 16:12.46 | Uncle_Jesse | sweet - you gonna get Tiger then? |
| 16:14.03 | Jayce^ | yeah, getting shipped to me at launch |
| 16:15.32 | Uncle_Jesse | everyone's getting Tiger but me! |
| 16:15.41 | Uncle_Jesse | ~cry |
| 16:15.42 | ibot | ACTION cries and sobs until he nearly drownds in his own tears |
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| 16:21.36 | Newsome | Uncle_Jesse: you don't want a tiger. They eat a lot, and can be messy. |
| 16:27.38 | vontrapp | ~lart generated code |
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| 16:29.54 | vontrapp | whats the difference between a Makefile.in and a Makefile.am |
| 16:29.58 | vontrapp | ? |
| 16:30.24 | vontrapp | ~lart automake |
| 16:30.27 | vontrapp | ~lart autoconf |
| 16:30.31 | vontrapp | ~lart auto fuzzbucket |
| 16:32.18 | hans | vontrapp: what do you need to do? |
| 16:32.22 | vontrapp | some package provided me with a Makefile.am and i apparently need a Makefile.in |
| 16:33.31 | hans | some package? |
| 16:33.40 | jakea | hans: There are several people who don't get the history of the Defiant. What TOS episode "Tholian Web" |
| 16:34.00 | jakea | not Sisko's Defiant, either of them |
| 16:34.11 | hans | jakea: i read up a bit on it, now I get it. |
| 16:34.22 | tapH20guru | anyone recommend a good usb webcam w/ftp uploads |
| 16:34.38 | jakea | -What + Watch |
| 16:34.54 | hans | I need to catch that one and mirror, mirror |
| 16:34.56 | jsmith | tapH20guru: Why would a USB webcam be doing FTP uploads -- wouldn't it be the software doing the FTP uploads? |
| 16:35.26 | jakea | DS9 did like.... 3 or 4 mirror universe episodes too |
| 16:35.29 | tapH20guru | jsmith: yes... but if I can find a cheap netowrk webcam that would be nice too |
| 16:35.55 | hans | yeah, I've seen the kira one (first I think) recently, but I'll try to catch the others too |
| 16:36.06 | jsmith | tapH20guru: Then it wouldn't be USB now, would it |
| 16:36.29 | tapH20guru | jsmith: ehh... no :) |
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| 16:47.55 | jakea | only four episodes left!!!! |
| 16:48.13 | tapH20guru | of the O.C.? |
| 16:48.14 | tapH20guru | LOL |
| 16:49.05 | jakea | hans: the new Dr. Who has quickly filled the gap for Enterprise for me. |
| 16:49.05 | jakea | O.C. bleh! |
| 16:49.05 | tapH20guru | :) |
| 16:49.13 | vontrapp | what's O.C.? |
| 16:49.34 | tapH20guru | i know.. the only redeeming featre was the Epi 3 trailer |
| 16:49.38 | jakea | O.C. == What has 90210 regenerated into now |
| 16:50.25 | jakea | I knew they would show the trailer at the end anyway, so I tuned in at 5 minutes to the top of the hour. |
| 16:50.29 | vontrapp | ok, but what does it stand for? |
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| 16:50.44 | tapH20guru | yeah - i tivoed it and ffwed to the end |
| 16:50.45 | tensai | Orange County, iirc |
| 16:50.50 | vontrapp | ah |
| 16:52.33 | vontrapp | all too often i have to go searching around to find why one of my apt sources is broken |
| 16:53.05 | vontrapp | there should be some way of filtering such information down to the users so they have a warning and know what to change to |
| 16:56.14 | hans | jakea: do we get doctor who here in the states, or are you downloading it? |
| 16:56.33 | hans | I've been recording and watching the old doctor who on channel 7, but it only comes on once a week. |
| 17:01.48 | Uncle_Jesse | ~feed vontrapp |
| 17:01.50 | ibot | offers vontrapp some herring |
| 17:02.04 | vontrapp | mmm, kipper snacks |
| 17:02.41 | jakea | hans: I have someone sending me tapes for Canada, and I have some of them from a torrent. Many people in astronomy here are dr who fans, so I'm getting tapes, then we are passing them around. |
| 17:02.48 | jakea | -for +from |
| 17:03.11 | jakea | sci fi turned down running Dr. Who |
| 17:03.23 | vontrapp | ~lart sci fi |
| 17:03.27 | jakea | but since they are making BSG, I forgave them |
| 17:03.42 | jakea | forgave... is that a word |
| 17:03.52 | jakea | I have forgiven them |
| 17:03.53 | vontrapp | hans: are you recording BSG? |
| 17:04.06 | vontrapp | ~spell forgave |
| 17:05.52 | jakea | I borrowed the original BSG DVD's from a friend of mine and have been watching them.... good for the late 70's I guess, but.... oh boy |
| 17:07.11 | hans | heh |
| 17:08.26 | hans | well I'd be happy to borrow the tapes when you guys are done with them |
| 17:08.39 | jakea | as long as you chip in for the mailing |
| 17:08.57 | hans | like a buck or so? |
| 17:09.03 | jakea | ya |
| 17:09.06 | hans | can do |
| 17:09.35 | jakea | I also have some Classic Who on DVD if you want to borrow them |
| 17:09.50 | vontrapp | drats, i seem to have lost some code |
| 17:09.55 | hans | ooh, yeah |
| 17:10.05 | jakea | vantrapp: SCO code? |
| 17:10.10 | jakea | er |
| 17:10.12 | hans | i haven't been doing bsg |
| 17:10.15 | jakea | vontrapp |
| 17:10.29 | vontrapp | no, not SCO |
| 17:10.34 | hans | I already record more scifi than I can watch, and I haven't seen anything that makes me need to watch bsg |
| 17:10.52 | hans | although I have heard it's good, the 5 minutes or so that I saw didn't snag me |
| 17:10.54 | vontrapp | the entire code for one of the reports |
| 17:11.11 | vontrapp | i can grab it out of cvs, but i have to make all the changes over again |
| 17:12.01 | jakea | aside from Ron Moore seeming to need to give "over super sexy details" on a few plot points, BSG is really good |
| 17:12.14 | jakea | Ron Moore is the Exec Producer guy |
| 17:12.42 | hans | over super sexy? as in excessively super sexy? |
| 17:15.12 | vontrapp | ~googlefu |
| 17:15.23 | vontrapp | ~google-fu |
| 17:15.24 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, google-fu is the ability to find absolutely anything with a single google query |
| 17:20.17 | jakea | hans: as in a little more detail than needed to get the point across |
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| 17:46.40 | Uncle_Jesse | "An error has occured in your application - would you like to send info to Microsoft?" |
| 17:47.15 | hans | yes, I'd like to tell them that I don't use their products. thank you. |
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| 18:29.11 | tapH20guru | are there terrestrial DTV stations in Utah? |
| 18:30.13 | tapH20guru | http://www.dtvutah.com - wondered if anyone is using it? |
| 18:36.26 | mrpull | i'm too cheap to buy an HDTV... plus... with my DirecTV I can see compression artifacts on standard def shows |
| 18:36.54 | mrpull | i imagine they'd look worse on an hd set |
| 18:37.14 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 18:37.27 | tapH20guru | thinking about an HD card... http://www.pchdtv.com/ |
| 18:37.40 | mrpull | i may buy one of those just for fun |
| 18:37.53 | tapH20guru | only $160 ... throw in an antenna and see if I can MythTV it |
| 18:38.01 | mrpull | i'm a huge tivo fan... and the hd tivo is too much |
| 18:38.29 | mrpull | i've built myth boxes, but the integrated directivo is the right solution for my house |
| 18:39.26 | mrpull | are they available again? |
| 18:39.42 | tapH20guru | yeah... cheaper too |
| 18:39.43 | mrpull | ahh... rtfs... i may have to get one |
| 18:40.01 | tapH20guru | i know -- though the dish pvr i have does great too |
| 18:42.20 | mrpull | where you aware that some of the *ugs were going to buy a bunch of those in bulk to save a few bucks? |
| 18:42.37 | tapH20guru | cool |
| 18:42.39 | tapH20guru | good idea |
| 19:10.27 | vontrapp | hans! |
| 19:17.32 | vontrapp | does the pchdtv card do compression? |
| 19:17.48 | vontrapp | i'm geussing not, i haven |
| 19:17.54 | vontrapp | 't seen anything that says it does |
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| 19:40.28 | vontrapp | http://www.corante.com/copyfight/archives/2005/04/25/french_court_outlaws_drm.php |
| 19:40.52 | vontrapp | french court outlaws drm |
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| 19:47.01 | lukfugl | ~lart php |
| 19:47.11 | lukfugl | oooh, I like that one |
| 19:47.46 | lukfugl | what kind of language claiming to be OO doesn't have some sort of namespace mechanism? |
| 19:48.16 | levi | Depends on what you mean by 'namespace mechanism' |
| 19:48.35 | lukfugl | I want to have View::List, List is a class in the View namespace |
| 19:48.50 | lukfugl | afaict there's no way to do that in PHP |
| 19:49.04 | lukfugl | (the :: above is just an example, not a required syntax) |
| 19:49.20 | levi | Smalltalk-80 didn't have namespaces/packages. |
| 19:49.48 | levi | They're orthogonal concepts. |
| 19:50.03 | levi | (namespaces and object-oriented programming) |
| 19:50.07 | lukfugl | ok, I'll concede on that |
| 19:50.37 | levi | You won't hear me praising PHP, though. |
| 19:51.19 | lukfugl | any PHP gurus in here want to show me I'm wrong, and that PHP *does* have namespaces? |
| 19:55.31 | vontrapp | lukfugl: i've used Class::function |
| 19:55.35 | vontrapp | in php |
| 19:56.13 | lukfugl | vontrapp: but for classes |
| 19:56.32 | lukfugl | class X in namespace A |
| 19:56.37 | vontrapp | oh, don't know about that |
| 19:57.04 | lukfugl | the answer on #php seems to be "no" |
| 19:57.07 | lukfugl | ~lart php |
| 19:57.18 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
| 19:57.44 | vontrapp | make that 2.54µm |
| 20:00.17 | lukfugl | ~lart php for not even using the namespaces it does implement |
| 20:00.45 | lukfugl | I can't name a bloody function 'list', even if it's in a class |
| 20:02.15 | levi | Yeah, php has a serious case of namespace pollution. |
| 20:02.37 | levi | php is just a poorly-designed language. Why are you using it? |
| 20:03.28 | lukfugl | I'm building examples (just like yesterday when I was larting php for lack of lambdas) |
| 20:03.58 | lukfugl | the front-end guys are using it, so I'm trying to do my examples in "their" language |
| 20:04.08 | lukfugl | but at every turn, php prevents me from writing good code |
| 20:05.20 | levi | Why are the front-end guys using it? |
| 20:05.52 | lukfugl | *shrug* it's what they know |
| 20:06.27 | lukfugl | and I don't have any control over what they use, not my domain |
| 20:06.55 | hans | lukfugl: go buy a shotgon and _get_ control |
| 20:06.58 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 20:07.20 | lukfugl | hans: I'm tempted |
| 20:10.39 | levi | lukfugl: You could write your examples in PHP and in a language that doesn't suck so badly, and perhaps influence them that way. |
| 20:11.04 | lukfugl | levi: already done. I've written them in ruby first (giving up on PHP from scratch) and am atrying to translate to PHP |
| 20:11.48 | lukfugl | took about two hours to write the ruby code, has taken much longer than that just butting my head against PHP on the attempted translation |
| 20:11.54 | levi | Hmm, trying to translate between languages that different may be more difficult than just writing from scratch. |
| 20:13.46 | lukfugl | levi: actually the translation was just renaming of keywords and adding sigils ($) for the most part |
| 20:14.05 | lukfugl | (I intentionally ignored some of ruby's better aspects so that would be so) |
| 20:14.10 | levi | Ahh, okay. |
| 20:14.20 | lukfugl | it's just the stupid things like namespaces which I expected PHP would have that are the problem |
| 20:14.28 | levi | Well, you should write a version that fully takes advantage of Ruby so you can show it off. |
| 20:14.37 | lukfugl | levi: I will |
| 20:15.25 | hans | and then he'll take over the world |
| 20:15.53 | lukfugl | I doubt I'll convert them to ruby, no matter how cool, because they'll refuse to take on the learning curve |
| 20:16.03 | lukfugl | but maybe I can at least push them back towards perl |
| 20:16.39 | lukfugl | My relationship with perl isn't the best, but let me tell you, working with PHP has made perl look better and better |
| 20:16.53 | levi | No kidding. |
| 20:19.36 | levi | The Ruby curve isn't that bad, is it? |
| 20:19.58 | vontrapp | ~spell irate |
| 20:20.22 | lukfugl | levi: no, but they don't know that and won't take the time to find out |
| 20:21.16 | levi | Alas. |
| 20:22.55 | hans | hmm, it looks like mplayer might make it into debian soon |
| 20:22.59 | hans | http://people.debian.org/~mjr/mplayer.html |
| 20:23.28 | levi | lukfugl: I keep saying the same thing about Lisp, and I get similar responses. |
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| 20:24.43 | lukfugl | but switching to the FP paradigm is a little more than just learning a new syntax |
| 20:25.36 | lukfugl | ruby's a nice intermediary -- learn the new syntax first, then learn the power :) |
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| 20:25.48 | Uncle_Jesse | lukfugl: have you read higher order of Perl? |
| 20:25.57 | lukfugl | Uncle_Jesse: not yet, but I want to |
| 20:26.02 | sjansen | I hope there's a special place in heaven being reserved for firefox developers and firefox extension developers. |
| 20:26.08 | Uncle_Jesse | for someone that likes lisp it may be up your alley |
| 20:27.22 | sjansen | http://www.karmatics.com/aardvark/ |
| 20:28.11 | lukfugl | gah! does php have *no* meta-programming constructs? |
| 20:28.41 | sjansen | Sounds too advanced for PHP too me. |
| 20:28.51 | lukfugl | no way to call a function on an object where the function name is in a variable |
| 20:29.09 | sjansen | You sure about that? |
| 20:29.18 | lukfugl | sjansen: not that I can find |
| 20:29.29 | sjansen | Did you just try $$function_name? |
| 20:29.38 | lukfugl | I even tried the abomination, create_function, but no go |
| 20:30.04 | sjansen | Odd. I could've sworn PHP could do that. |
| 20:30.38 | lukfugl | I have object Foo, and want to call "bar", but I didn't know it was bar at compile time. So I put bar in $method. $foo->$method() doesn't work |
| 20:30.45 | lukfugl | (that's the perl idiom) |
| 20:30.55 | lukfugl | no equivalent to send (ruby idiom) |
| 20:31.08 | vontrapp | eval("\$foo->$method()") |
| 20:31.10 | sjansen | $foo->{$bar}() perhaps? |
| 20:31.21 | lukfugl | and I can't even use create_function because it looses the object context of foo |
| 20:33.13 | lukfugl | the perl idiom ($foo->$method()) does work |
| 20:33.24 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/277 |
| 20:33.27 | lukfugl | I just wasn't reading the error close enough to see the $method had the wrong value |
| 20:33.34 | Uncle_Jesse | That seems to have the solution |
| 20:33.50 | lukfugl | PHP is still stupid, though :) |
| 20:34.01 | Uncle_Jesse | not to defend PHP or anything |
| 20:34.18 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart PHP |
| 20:34.23 | vontrapp | sjansen: lukfugl: $foo->{$bar}() does work |
| 20:34.25 | Uncle_Jesse | phew - I'm redeemed |
| 20:34.38 | lukfugl | vontrapp: and it works without the braces |
| 20:34.56 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: sjansen: lukfugl: $foo->{$bar}() does work |
| 20:38.07 | mrpull-lunch | is there an easy way to add packages to cygwin w/o using the setup wizard? |
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| 20:42.42 | lukfugl | ok, maybe I can't be quiet. But I'm exposing this in hopes of someone telling me I'm wrong, not just to rant |
| 20:43.36 | lukfugl | It appears that although PHP5 has try/catch blocks now, only explicitly raised errors (ala throw) are caught. Runtime errors are not exceptions and thus not caught |
| 20:43.54 | lukfugl | So I can't use a try/catch to recover gracefully from a runtime error? |
| 20:45.04 | shadoi | lukfugl: like a parse error? how could it do that? |
| 20:45.15 | shadoi | There's no VM. |
| 20:45.19 | lukfugl | shadoi: no, not a parse error. A runtime error |
| 20:46.23 | shadoi | mrpull-lunch: no there's not, not that I know of anyway, but they do have dpkg integrated so you may be able to install a .deb |
| 20:47.11 | lukfugl | e.g. try { Delegator->$method(); } catch (Exception $e) { echo "oops, I don't know how to {$method}"; } |
| 20:47.33 | lukfugl | If I give it a bad $method, I get a Fatal error, instead of the nice echo I expected |
| 20:49.51 | shadoi | So wouldn't a catch need to be in $method in that case? |
| 20:50.17 | lukfugl | shadoi: not if $method == 'asdghsldf' |
| 20:51.17 | shadoi | yeah I'd assume it would work the way you suggested. |
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| 21:01.03 | sjansen | lukfugl: IIRC, PHP4 allowed you to register an error handler. Perhaps you could build on that. |
| 21:07.19 | fozz | lukfugl: Don't trust anything sjansen says about PHP. ;-) |
| 21:07.46 | fozz | It's probably tongue in cheek. :) |
| 21:10.20 | Tene | /exec -o ls -R | xargs cat |
| 21:11.17 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
| 21:12.56 | Uncle_Jesse | cat: .:: No such file or directory |
| 21:12.56 | Uncle_Jesse | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 21:12.56 | Uncle_Jesse | # This is a simple perl script for installing ogo from rpms. I use RedHat9 and it works for my |
| 21:13.00 | Uncle_Jesse | # needs. Operating systems on which this script works are noted below. |
| 21:13.04 | Uncle_Jesse | # |
| 21:13.07 | Uncle_Jesse | # NOTE: This script is not the current and most wonderful way to install OpenGroupware. If you are |
| 21:13.11 | Uncle_Jesse | # interested in helping OGo by testing out the latest OGo1.0 packages. Use the following script. |
| 21:13.13 | dataw0lf|w | .. |
| 21:13.14 | Uncle_Jesse | # http://exchangekiller.com/add_remove_ogo-devel.pl. Thanks. Please read the notes on the website |
| 21:13.18 | Uncle_Jesse | # before you use the devel script. |
| 21:13.18 | dataw0lf|w | tell me you really didn't run that. |
| 21:13.20 | Uncle_Jesse | # |
| 21:13.23 | Uncle_Jesse | # It will install, update or remove OpenGroupware. It happily retrieves the latest packages, |
| 21:13.27 | Uncle_Jesse | # sets up the Apache module, and installs PostgreSQL. Requires perl and wget. |
| 21:13.30 | Uncle_Jesse | # |
| 21:13.33 | Uncle_Jesse | # Be sure to check the variables in this script to match your distribution. |
| 21:13.36 | Uncle_Jesse | # |
| 21:13.38 | Uncle_Jesse | # Use at your own risk. If it breaks your system, sorry, but I'm not liable for any losses |
| 21:13.41 | Uncle_Jesse | # or damages, etc. whatsoever. |
| 21:13.42 | Uncle_Jesse | # The latest version of this script and usage instructions can always be found at: |
| 21:13.45 | Uncle_Jesse | # http://www.toasterz.com/ogo or http://www.exchangekiller.com |
| 21:13.49 | Uncle_Jesse | # This is release candidate version: //$Id: add_remove_ogo.pl,v 1.67 2004/10/09 05:25:22 dura Exp $ |
| 21:13.53 | Uncle_Jesse | # Copyright 2003-2004 Kelley Graham |
| 21:13.57 | Uncle_Jesse | # License: LGPL (Same as OpenGroupware) |
| 21:13.59 | Uncle_Jesse | # Find out more: http://opensource.org/licenses/lgpl-license.php |
| 21:14.03 | Uncle_Jesse | # Changelog ############################################################## |
| 21:14.03 | Uncle_Jesse | #-Working on... |
| 21:14.06 | Uncle_Jesse | #-Prep for ogo version 1.0 |
| 21:14.08 | Uncle_Jesse | #-More configuration settings, esp post install check and command line switch. |
| 21:14.11 | Uncle_Jesse | #-Add more apt-get repository commands |
| 21:14.14 | Uncle_Jesse | #-Removing duplicates and getting-installing only needed packages |
| 21:14.16 | Uncle_Jesse | #-XML-RPC prompt to set root password in post install |
| 21:14.19 | Uncle_Jesse | #-more... |
| 21:14.21 | Uncle_Jesse | # |
| 21:14.24 | Uncle_Jesse | #16September2004 |
| 21:14.26 | Uncle_Jesse | #-Mandrake 10 setup, Additional logic for symlink to httpd2. |
| 21:14.29 | Uncle_Jesse | #10September2004 |
| 21:14.31 | Uncle_Jesse | #-Mandrake 9.2 install debug, Symlink to httpd2. Thanks for testing chris_at_evaporants_dot_com. |
| 21:14.35 | Uncle_Jesse | #09September2004 |
| 21:14.37 | Uncle_Jesse | #-Added SuSe 9.1 LD_ASSUME_KERNEL feature, thanks Chris H. chris123_at_magma_dot_ca. |
| 21:14.40 | Uncle_Jesse | #-Added mandrake, connectiva, fedora, rhel LD_ASSUME tests. Thanks john_at_helmuth_dot_org; |
| 21:14.43 | lukfugl | stop? |
| 21:14.43 | Uncle_Jesse | # olivier_at_ig_dot_com_dot_br; dax_at_gurulabs_dot_com, frank_at_opengroupware_dot_org; |
| 21:14.43 | dataw0lf|w | that's embarrassing. |
| 21:14.50 | bucky | FLOOD!!! |
| 21:14.57 | dataw0lf|w | lukfugl: he ran Tene's command. |
| 21:15.12 | lukfugl | I was man-ing exec and not seeing anything |
| 21:15.17 | dataw0lf|w | heh |
| 21:15.22 | lukfugl | and finally I understood the / at the beginning of the command :) |
| 21:16.03 | dataw0lf|w | nice Tene. I dub that 'IRC Idiocy Meter 1.0' |
| 21:16.12 | Tene | woah, I didn't expect anyone to do it... |
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| 21:16.59 | Uncle_Jesse | Ummm - please don't tell me I did what I think I did |
| 21:17.05 | Tene | you did. |
| 21:17.12 | dataw0lf|w | You're fired. |
| 21:17.27 | Uncle_Jesse | man I feel really stupid |
| 21:17.32 | dataw0lf|w | as you should. |
| 21:17.48 | mrpull | i'm lost... why did all of that get output to IRC? |
| 21:17.52 | bucky | Uncle_Jesse, you just flunked the OpenGroupware test |
| 21:17.56 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah |
| 21:17.59 | dataw0lf|w | /exec -o mrpull |
| 21:18.15 | Uncle_Jesse | I tried it without reading up on it first |
| 21:18.18 | dataw0lf|w | it executes and displays commands from IRC. |
| 21:18.23 | dataw0lf|w | it was a pretty simple command. |
| 21:18.29 | mrpull | BRB... |
| 21:18.32 | Uncle_Jesse | I feel so stupid right now |
| 21:18.34 | dataw0lf|w | cat everything within the current directory. |
| 21:18.38 | Uncle_Jesse | no one try that btw |
| 21:18.39 | dataw0lf|w | recursively. |
| 21:19.04 | bucky | Uncle_Jesse, if you feel stupid now.. wait till you try to set up postgresql for OpenGroupware |
| 21:19.11 | Uncle_Jesse | I should have rtfm'd first |
| 21:19.27 | Uncle_Jesse | I clearly need to learn irssi better |
| 21:19.30 | vontrapp | like /exec -o figlet Kick me! |
| 21:19.35 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah |
| 21:19.42 | Uncle_Jesse | I've even used that before |
| 21:19.44 | lukfugl | /exec -o |
| 21:19.53 | lukfugl | from /exec -o echo "/exec -o" |
| 21:20.30 | shadoi | Do it with /etc/shadow so we can all try our brute force dictionaries out. :) |
| 21:21.02 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm staying away from /exec for a long time now |
| 21:21.12 | Uncle_Jesse | irssi needs some sort of protection against that |
| 21:21.16 | vontrapp | too bad no normal user can cat /etc/shadow |
| 21:21.26 | Uncle_Jesse | At least I'm not root |
| 21:22.58 | dataw0lf|w | hey, not as bad as the time me and someone else convinced someone to /exec -o rm -rf / |
| 21:23.06 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
| 21:23.13 | Uncle_Jesse | I definitely wouldn't have tried that one |
| 21:23.28 | Uncle_Jesse | I at least checked what happened after /exec before typing it |
| 21:23.36 | Uncle_Jesse | I just didn't know it would all output to irc |
| 21:24.12 | Uncle_Jesse | besides it wouldn't work for me - it would have to be /exec -o rm -rf ~/* |
| 21:24.19 | bucky | ~smite Uncle_Jesse |
| 21:24.33 | Uncle_Jesse | ~shoot Uncle_Jesse |
| 21:24.35 | ibot | ACTION shoots Uncle_Jesse in the ear with a phase pistol! |
| 21:24.43 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - that feels better |
| 21:25.04 | bucky | ~bite bucky |
| 21:25.15 | ibot | ACTION takes a big bite out of bucky's jugular vein |
| 21:25.27 | bucky | ~spank me |
| 21:25.30 | ibot | ACTION bends bucky over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on bucky's pasty white buttocks. |
| 21:26.39 | Uncle_Jesse | Well, time to head home and hide for a little bit - you all can make fun of me while I'm gone |
| 21:27.12 | mrpull | i should have guessed that... |
| 21:27.21 | mrpull | i'm sitting at a windows box |
| 21:27.34 | hans | lol |
| 21:27.51 | mrpull | this IRC client (trillian) is so crippled that i forget agout real clients |
| 21:28.25 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.25 | hans | |/\/_ __ ___ ___ ___| | __ |
| 21:28.25 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.25 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.25 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.28 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.30 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.33 | hans | | | | |_ __ ___| | ___ | | ___ ___ ___ ___ |
| 21:28.35 | hans | | | | | '_ \ / __| |/ _ \ _ | |/ _ \/ __/ __|/ _ \ |
| 21:28.37 | hans | | |_| | | | | (__| | __/ | |_| | __/\__ \__ \ __/ |
| 21:28.40 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.42 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.53 | Uncle_Jesse | I heard that |
| 21:30.54 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.54 | vontrapp | | |_ ___ ___| |_ ___ ___ |
| 21:30.54 | vontrapp | | _/ -_) -_) ' \/ -_) -_) |
| 21:30.54 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.54 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.11 | vontrapp | figlet has some cool |
| 21:32.15 | mrpull | ahhh.... spell checker is back |
| 21:32.21 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.21 | vontrapp | |\ _ _|_ , |
| 21:32.21 | vontrapp | |/ / \_/|/| | / \_ |
| 21:32.21 | vontrapp | |_/\_/ | |_/|_/ \/ |
| 21:32.21 | vontrapp | |) |
| 21:38.20 | bucky | ~moo |
| 21:38.21 | ibot | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 21:44.51 | lukfugl | hmmm, what environment variable does PHP look for it's cookies in? |
| 21:45.19 | hans | $CARROT_MONSTER |
| 21:45.33 | lukfugl | so I can type "COOKIES='...' php test.php" |
| 21:45.45 | lukfugl | to test my php script that needs cookies |
| 21:50.02 | vontrapp | those are pacman cookies |
| 21:51.09 | sjansen | Wow. My faith in bash is shaken. |
| 21:51.28 | lukfugl | sjansen: howso? |
| 21:51.31 | jsmith | Shaken, not stirred? |
| 21:51.45 | sjansen | Predict what the following will do: |
| 21:51.49 | sjansen | for I in A B C a b c; do for J in `seq 10`; do touch $I$J; done; done; ls [A-Z][0-9]* |
| 21:52.58 | lukfugl | create A1, A2, A3... A10, B1, B2... C10, a1, a2... etc |
| 21:53.00 | lukfugl | ? |
| 21:53.11 | vontrapp | sounds right |
| 21:53.17 | vontrapp | and list them |
| 21:53.26 | fungus | but it only lists the capital versions. |
| 21:53.35 | vontrapp | true |
| 21:53.38 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 21:53.52 | sjansen | Okay, now run it. |
| 21:54.26 | sjansen | It does no harm. Just very surprising. |
| 21:54.47 | lukfugl | it lists the lower case as well |
| 21:55.03 | vontrapp | and all in non-order |
| 21:55.05 | lukfugl | and way out of order |
| 21:55.13 | fungus | hmm, I don't have seq. |
| 21:55.14 | vontrapp | no, not so much |
| 21:55.16 | vontrapp | it's ls order |
| 21:55.30 | vontrapp | A1 A10 (underneath) A2 so on |
| 21:55.35 | sjansen | Did your world just shift about a foot to the left suddenly? |
| 21:55.51 | lukfugl | and it leaves out the 'a*' files |
| 21:56.27 | vontrapp | apparently the range is interpreted as such [AbB...zZ] |
| 21:56.38 | sjansen | Believe it or not, however, this is documented behavior. |
| 21:56.39 | lukfugl | yup, that's what I'm seeing |
| 21:57.01 | sjansen | LC_COLLATE can control it. |
| 21:57.32 | fungus | ahh, [a-Z] is all inclusive then. |
| 21:57.38 | lukfugl | that is weird |
| 21:58.02 | lukfugl | but what if I only want caps? I have to enumerate them all? |
| 21:58.40 | sjansen | ls [[:upper:]]* |
| 21:58.53 | vontrapp | that works? |
| 21:58.54 | vontrapp | wow |
| 21:59.29 | Bradipo | [A-Z] |
| 22:00.03 | vontrapp | [A-Z] include lowercase b-z |
| 22:00.10 | vontrapp | s/include/includes/ |
| 22:00.11 | lukfugl | Bradipo: but that's what we're exploring, [A-Z] doesn't do it the way you'd expect |
| 22:00.25 | Jayce^ | in bash, that is |
| 22:00.39 | Bradipo | Interesting, I never knew that. |
| 22:00.51 | Bradipo | I assumed bash did the right thing. |
| 22:01.18 | Bradipo | Are you sure? I did: ls [A-Z]* and it only lists files that begin with a capital letter. |
| 22:01.34 | lukfugl | Bradipo: what shell? |
| 22:01.34 | hans | ok ldap fiends, how do I mix extensibleObject and inetOrg Person? |
| 22:01.39 | Bradipo | bash. |
| 22:01.49 | lukfugl | Bradipo: did you try sjansens experiment? |
| 22:01.55 | hans | IOW, I have an inetOrgPerson and I awnt to add an attribute. |
| 22:01.58 | fungus | tcsh does it right. :) |
| 22:02.11 | Bradipo | I must have missed the experiment part... |
| 22:02.19 | sjansen | for I in A B C a b c; do for J in `seq 10`; do touch $I$J; done; done; ls [A-Z][0-9]* |
| 22:02.48 | sjansen | But you _might_ have an LC_COLLATE or LC_something that triggers the expected behavior. |
| 22:03.08 | hans | I don't know what you're smoking, but on my box it only lists [A-Z][0-9]* |
| 22:03.12 | vontrapp | ubuntu has a nice gtk theme |
| 22:03.13 | mrpull | bash in cygwin only shows the uppercase files |
| 22:03.14 | hans | $ ls |
| 22:03.14 | hans | < J in `seq 10`; do touch $I$J; done; done; ls [A-Z][0-9]* |
| 22:03.14 | hans | A1 A2 A4 A6 A8 B1 B2 B4 B6 B8 C1 C2 C4 C6 C8 |
| 22:03.14 | hans | A10 A3 A5 A7 A9 B10 B3 B5 B7 B9 C10 C3 C5 C7 C9 |
| 22:03.55 | lukfugl | maybe it's a distro setting of LC_COLLATE? |
| 22:03.56 | sjansen | hans: I haven't had much luck trying to change the objectClass of an existing entry. |
| 22:04.07 | hans | LC_COLLATE is nothing |
| 22:04.13 | lukfugl | my ubuntu box + bash matches sjansens experiment |
| 22:04.18 | hans | LANG=POSIX |
| 22:04.20 | mrpull | hah... nm.... it didn't even create the lowercase! |
| 22:04.28 | mrpull | sorta case sensitive... |
| 22:04.38 | hans | LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 22:04.39 | lukfugl | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
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| 22:05.33 | lukfugl | $ LANG=POSIX ls [A-Z][0-9]* still produces the odd behavior though |
| 22:06.33 | tensai | hans: you want to add a new attribute which is not defined by inetOrgPerson? |
| 22:06.38 | hans | yes |
| 22:07.30 | sjansen | hans: Anyway, I've had best results by deleting the old and adding a new that's a copy with the added objectClass. |
| 22:07.59 | hans | lukfugl: my first hypothesis would be blame ubuntu |
| 22:08.04 | sjansen | lukfugl: There's alot of variable that influence its behavior. Obviously, _something_ is different. |
| 22:08.19 | sjansen | hans: Confirmed on other distros and versions of bash. |
| 22:08.19 | lukfugl | sjansen: are you on ubuntu? |
| 22:08.56 | tensai | hans: extensibleObject only allows you to add an attribute which is defined in the schema. if you want an entirely new attribute, you need to write your own schema. |
| 22:09.07 | sjansen | It is possible that Debian has specifically changed the behavior, security implications related to it are documented on bugtraq. |
| 22:09.13 | hans | # for I in A B C a b c; do for J in `seq 10`; do touch $I$J; done; done; ls [A-Z][0-9]* |
| 22:09.16 | hans | A1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 B1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 C1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 |
| 22:09.18 | hans | b1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 c1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 |
| 22:09.19 | hans | there's RHEL |
| 22:09.27 | lukfugl | appears to be the LANG environment variable after all |
| 22:09.35 | lukfugl | exporting LANG=POSIX makes it "work" |
| 22:09.43 | sjansen | hans: ls --color=no |
| 22:10.19 | hans | # ls --color=no |
| 22:10.19 | hans | a1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 b1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 c1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 |
| 22:10.19 | hans | A1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 B1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 C1?2?3?4?5?6?7?8?9?10 |
| 22:10.36 | hans | # echo $LANG |
| 22:10.36 | hans | en_US |
| 22:10.59 | hans | rhel does the same with LANG=POSIX |
| 22:12.15 | hans | tensai: ok, so if I write my own schema or find one with an attribute I like, can I have it be both an inetOrgPerson and one of those things? |
| 22:12.23 | sjansen | sorry, --color=none |
| 22:13.32 | tensai | hans: yes, maybe. as long as the second class is not structural. an object can only have 1 structural class but as many auxiliary classes as you want. |
| 22:14.04 | tensai | extensibleObject is extensible, so you could cheat and use that but it's dangerous. better to use well formed object |
| 22:14.14 | hans | so I need to find/create an auxiliary class with a suitable attribute |
| 22:14.19 | tensai | yes |
| 22:14.39 | tensai | er, extensibleObject is auxiliary |
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| 22:34.42 | vontrapp | bite that spider! bite bite! |
| 22:36.59 | vontrapp | ~spider sjansen |
| 22:37.01 | ibot | ACTION unleashes a camel spider on sjansen |
| 22:37.08 | Tene | ~sjansen |
| 22:37.09 | ibot | it has been said that sjansen is one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 22:37.32 | sjansen | one hoopy frood who's taking his towel to H2G2 this friday |
| 22:37.41 | sjansen | ~celebrate H2G2 |
| 22:38.11 | tensai | h2g2 is no shorter than hhgg |
| 22:38.24 | vontrapp | and harder to type |
| 22:38.29 | Jayce^ | sjansen, where you going to watch it? |
| 22:39.04 | sjansen | Jordon Commons, probably. Meeting my brother about half-way. |
| 22:40.33 | levi | I'll probably see it at Jordan Commons, too. |
| 22:41.17 | Jayce^ | probably hitting the AF cinemark, if they have it |
| 22:41.26 | Jayce^ | dont' want to go to Thanksgiving Point |
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| 22:43.09 | hans | let's set up a time, eh? |
| 22:43.17 | hans | saturday morning/midday |
| 22:43.21 | hans | af cinemark |
| 22:43.27 | hans | who's with me? |
| 22:43.34 | lukfugl | hans: sounds good. I'm busy Friday night |
| 22:43.45 | lukfugl | Stacey'll be with me, and probably Chris and Mandy |
| 22:44.28 | spr | hans, I can |
| 22:44.32 | hans | erin and I. we might need to shuttle the baby just before the movie if we're standing in line for any length of time |
| 22:44.39 | hans | but just to GP |
| 22:44.41 | hans | er, PG |
| 22:44.50 | lukfugl | GP in PG? :) |
| 22:45.00 | hans | yeah, that :) |
| 22:48.58 | Jayce^ | why not friday? |
| 22:49.05 | Jayce^ | got other things on saturday |
| 22:49.09 | hans | matinee price? |
| 22:49.13 | vontrapp | because we're cheap |
| 22:53.18 | lukfugl | whee for php! |
| 22:53.23 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.23 | lukfugl | Interactive mode enabled |
| 22:53.23 | lukfugl | <? |
| 22:53.23 | lukfugl | echo (2 || 0); |
| 22:53.23 | lukfugl | Segmentation fault |
| 22:53.31 | lukfugl | apparently 2 || 0 segfaults |
| 22:53.41 | lukfugl | I would expect it to return 2 |
| 22:54.45 | vontrapp | the segfault surprises me, but i can tell you now, good luck with that $a || $b semantic |
| 22:54.56 | lukfugl | ~lart php |
| 22:55.00 | sjansen | tensai: Does the word alot bug you alot? |
| 22:55.01 | lukfugl | one last time for the day |
| 22:55.26 | sjansen | You seem to spend alot of time opposing. |
| 22:56.43 | sjansen | And I know I use it alot. |
| 22:58.19 | lukfugl | Jayce^: fortunately I don't have to deal with this except for these few days |
| 22:58.27 | lukfugl | I can go back to perl in a few days |
| 22:58.39 | vontrapp | you could just write example code that doesn't work :) |
| 22:58.49 | lukfugl | just trying to build some examples for the PHP devs on our team |
| 22:59.15 | vontrapp | and when they say, "but this code doesn't work" you answer "then use ruby" |
| 23:01.40 | tensai | sjansen: I assume that most people simply don't know, rather than those like yourself who revel in incorrectness |
| 23:02.06 | tensai | I took it upon myself to purge wikipedia of all "alot" uses. that's a daunting task. |
| 23:02.31 | sjansen | Wow. I guess it does bug you alot. |
| 23:04.27 | Jayce^ | not just alittle |
| 23:05.15 | tensai | is there a way to sort a file in vim? |
| 23:06.38 | lukfugl | ggVG:!sort |
| 23:06.59 | lukfugl | (vim will add characters between the : and ! automatically, leave them there) |
| 23:07.18 | tensai | that's awesome. I knew it had to be possible. thanks |
| 23:07.49 | tensai | does it actually spawn an external sort process, or is that some sort of builtin? |
| 23:08.23 | lukfugl | summary: gg -> to top of file; V -> start Visual mode; G -> to bottom of file (now the whole file is selected); :(marker stuff)!sort -> pipe marked data through external command sort and replace with output |
| 23:08.28 | vontrapp | external, GNU sort |
| 23:08.48 | lukfugl | you can use :!grep, :!uniq |
| 23:08.57 | lukfugl | even :!myfilter.pl |
| 23:09.15 | lukfugl | (assuming myufilter.pl is executable and has an appropriate shebang) |
| 23:09.32 | lukfugl | :! is *Very* handy |
| 23:10.05 | sjansen | :r!ls |
| 23:10.05 | tensai | ggVG I got, but I've never seen :! before. very handy |
| 23:10.40 | lukfugl | r! executes the command (without sending input) as inserts the output at the enxt line |
| 23:11.06 | lukfugl | also nice, especially for getting the right shebang... :r!which perl |
| 23:11.25 | lukfugl | ~php |
| 23:11.26 | ibot | HTML-embedded scripting language. URL: http://www.php.net/, or gimpy like python |
| 23:11.36 | lukfugl | that needs fixing |
| 23:11.40 | sjansen | #!/usr/bin/env perl is more portable |
| 23:12.00 | lukfugl | sjansen: true ... if env is in /usr/bin/ ;) |
| 23:12.33 | sjansen | Any sysadmin/distro with a modicum of common sense would never put it anywher else for that very reason. |
| 23:13.47 | fungus | unless perl isn't part of the base OS in which case it will be in /usr/local/bin |
| 23:13.48 | lukfugl | I know :) but it's still a caveat, even if unlikely |
| 23:14.37 | lukfugl | fungus: '/usr/bin/env perl' executes whatever perl is on the system |
| 23:14.53 | lukfugl | wherever it may be |
| 23:14.55 | fungus | That is a great way to be portable. |
| 23:17.34 | lukfugl | ah, my PHP struggles for the day are over. And I finally got some semblance of functionality out of it. |
| 23:18.07 | lukfugl | Hopefully example 2 doesn't take too long after what I learned today, since the presentation is at noon tomorrow :( |
| 23:18.19 | lukfugl | see y'all later, wish me luck |
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