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| 01:15.52 | scott | to keep a backup of some directories in ~/ on my flash drive should I use rsync? all the documentation I'm looking at is talking about using it between servers.. |
| 01:19.37 | spr | rsync will work locally, the man page has some examples |
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| 01:24.02 | scott | nice, all I need is -a |
| 02:04.47 | scott | it's crazy, seems like every day google comes out with new features |
| 02:45.41 | Maquis | scott: what's the new feature of the day? |
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| 02:51.22 | Maquis | ack |
| 02:51.38 | Maquis | i thought that the google ride-finder was an april fools prank... but they still have it at labs.google.com |
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| 03:27.51 | xbmodder_lappy | worst thing ever: |
| 03:28.00 | LeviHome | xbmodder |
| 03:28.04 | xbmodder_lappy | Your half-way accross the world and your server crashes |
| 03:28.12 | xbmodder_lappy | it happened to my friend :( |
| 03:28.17 | LeviHome | Oh, that wasn't a fill-in-the-blank? |
| 03:28.27 | xbmodder_lappy | LeviHome, heheheh, no... |
| 03:28.29 | misterpull | how is it any different than half way across town? |
| 03:28.40 | misterpull | call someone up to hit the power button |
| 03:28.53 | xbmodder_lappy | misterpull, whats the difference between 18 seconds and 18 hours? |
| 03:28.56 | xbmodder_lappy | 18 minutes |
| 03:29.09 | xbmodder_lappy | He thinks its his ISP |
| 03:29.18 | misterpull | http://www.google.com/search?&q=18%20seconds%20-%2018%20hours&sourceid=firefox |
| 03:29.27 | xbmodder_lappy | because he called their number and it said 'outages in his area' |
| 03:29.39 | xbmodder_lappy | VOIP from india is cheap |
| 03:29.49 | xbmodder_lappy | 1Cent a minute |
| 03:29.52 | misterpull | time to shop for a new provider :) |
| 03:30.04 | xbmodder_lappy | my internet goes down regularly |
| 03:30.42 | misterpull | i just borrow the neighbors' wifi |
| 03:30.57 | xbmodder_lappy | SBC has a monoply |
| 03:31.09 | xbmodder_lappy | two people in my neighborhood work for SB C |
| 03:33.48 | xbmodder_lappy | How are you guys? |
| 03:33.59 | xbmodder_lappy | Missed me? |
| 03:34.10 | xbmodder_lappy | Admit it, I know you did! |
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| 04:13.51 | scott | Maquis: my search history |
| 04:26.48 | Maquis | scott: ah... |
| 04:26.49 | Maquis | cool |
| 04:31.18 | Maquis | scott: the interesting thing is that they don't actually publicize most of their cool things... |
| 04:31.23 | Maquis | other people publicize for them |
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| 04:37.33 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 04:37.36 | xbmodder_lappy | lol |
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| 04:47.25 | bonez39 | if my /var/mail/username file is getting big..can I just delete it? it will just get recreated again when more mail comes in, right? |
| 04:47.40 | indessed | yup, it should. |
| 04:48.11 | indessed | argh. this is making me so frustrated. anyone up for an html question? |
| 04:48.27 | neybar | shoot |
| 04:48.31 | indessed | I'm getting extra space below anchor tags in firefox. Can't figure out where this space is coming from. |
| 04:48.46 | indessed | Sample code: |
| 04:48.47 | indessed | <html> |
| 04:48.47 | indessed | <body bgcolor="black"> |
| 04:48.47 | indessed | <a href=""> |
| 04:48.47 | indessed | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.47 | indessed | </a> |
| 04:48.48 | indessed | <div class="main-content" style="background-color: white;"> |
| 04:48.50 | indessed | Lorem Ipsum |
| 04:48.52 | indessed | </div> |
| 04:48.54 | indessed | </body> |
| 04:48.56 | indessed | </html> |
| 04:49.07 | indessed | If I take out the anchor tag around the image, the space goes away. |
| 04:49.18 | indessed | I've tried playing with all manner of margins and paddings to no avail. |
| 04:49.25 | bonez39 | is there anyway to undelete a file? |
| 04:49.33 | indessed | Just a blasted 5 pixels of space every time! |
| 04:49.44 | neybar | try <img style="margin:0;padding:0" blah > |
| 04:49.45 | indessed | bonez39: depends on your filesystem and what you used to delete it. |
| 04:49.56 | indessed | neybar: been there, done that, no worky. |
| 04:50.09 | bonez39 | I type rm scott as root....'scott' was my mail files.... |
| 04:50.13 | bonez39 | file |
| 04:50.21 | indessed | if you're on ext3, short answer is no way. |
| 04:50.30 | bonez39 | yeah, ext3 |
| 04:50.37 | indessed | yeah, basically you're hosed. sorry. |
| 04:50.45 | bonez39 | I guess I should have just pared away the messages I wanted to keep from there... |
| 04:50.49 | indessed | due to the way ext3 works, there's basically no undelete possible. (from what I've read.) |
| 04:51.18 | bonez39 | what i don't get is that file included both sent and received messages....is that how linux handles it? not in discrete mail folders? |
| 04:51.44 | indessed | depends on how you've set it up ... I haven't seen it work that way, |
| 04:51.55 | indessed | but it might be a format I haven't used. |
| 04:52.07 | indessed | there are several different ways of handling the mailboxes. I always just use the default, |
| 04:52.15 | indessed | where /var/spool/mail/ has only the inbox. |
| 04:53.01 | indessed | Any other ideas, neybar? |
| 04:53.06 | indessed | I'm at my wit's end here. |
| 04:53.12 | bonez39 | ok.....I know now to back it up..thanks.. |
| 04:53.18 | neybar | so you want no space between the bottom of the pic and the white background text? |
| 04:53.24 | indessed | neybar: right |
| 04:53.43 | indessed | like if you take out the href, |
| 04:53.51 | indessed | there's no space between the bottom of the pic and the white background. |
| 04:54.13 | indessed | oh ho! I think I finally figured it out ... |
| 04:54.35 | indessed | if I put it: <a href=""><img></a> |
| 04:54.37 | indessed | no space. |
| 04:54.49 | indessed | if I put newlines between the tags, extra space. |
| 04:55.11 | indessed | (In firefox. Not in Opera. Can't check IE.) |
| 04:55.43 | indessed | That's dastardly. Mental note to self: <a href=""><img></a> is not equivalent to <a href="">\n<img\n</a>. |
| 04:56.22 | neybar | heh, I was just going to suggest that |
| 04:57.01 | indessed | Heh. I was going to type in the differences but put everything on one line, then I thought, |
| 04:57.10 | indessed | "Hmmm... maybe if I put it on one line something will change ..." |
| 04:59.51 | LeviHome | indessed: I disagree! |
| 04:59.59 | indessed | lol |
| 05:00.22 | indessed | What, so you're saying if I code my webpage in Lisp it will work better? |
| 05:00.28 | indessed | Ha! |
| 05:02.31 | fishyfire | hey how have finals been going? |
| 05:02.42 | Maquis | they're done |
| 05:02.46 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:02.47 | indessed | Me too :-) |
| 05:02.53 | fishyfire | awesome |
| 05:03.00 | Maquis | i'm done with this semester |
| 05:03.05 | fishyfire | did 2 today and one more tomorrow and will finally be done |
| 05:03.35 | Maquis | ick |
| 05:03.38 | Maquis | scheduled finals? |
| 05:12.41 | fishyfire | yep! |
| 05:13.03 | fishyfire | shouldn't be bad |
| 05:13.47 | bonez39 | Maquis: how'd that CS345 test go? |
| 05:14.13 | Maquis | bonez39: initially, not all that well, but i ended up meeting with the prof and arguing my grade up |
| 05:14.27 | LeviHome | Woo! |
| 05:14.30 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:14.30 | fishyfire | awesome! |
| 05:14.32 | LeviHome | Yay for arguing grades up. :) |
| 05:14.34 | Maquis | i was excited |
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| 05:34.24 | LeviHome | Bye, indessed. |
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| 05:58.43 | findlay | I must be tired if all the comments modded funny on slashdot seem funny |
| 06:14.37 | Maquis | what's .bash_skel? |
| 06:17.17 | LeviHome | Where is it? |
| 06:17.24 | LeviHome | I imagine it's a default .bash file |
| 06:17.28 | Maquis | ~/ on the cs dept computers |
| 06:17.40 | Maquis | tis empty |
| 06:17.57 | LeviHome | Hmm. |
| 06:18.10 | LeviHome | Beats me. |
| 06:19.03 | Maquis | also, i can't figure out how to get the cs lab computers to read my .xinitrc when i log in |
| 06:20.08 | LeviHome | That beats me, too. I try to avoid thinking about things like .xinitrcs now. |
| 06:20.27 | Maquis | what do you use instead of the .xinitrc? |
| 06:21.30 | LeviHome | Well, at home I use OS X and have my linux windows pop up on my OS X X11. |
| 06:21.51 | LeviHome | At work, I use whatever the default configuration of Debian's gdm is. |
| 06:22.27 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 06:22.29 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.39 | LeviHome | I used to worry about fiddling with that stuff, but I'm more interested in things that don't suck now. |
| 06:23.42 | LeviHome | Actually, using linux via OS X X11 is very nice. All the windows get double-buffered and I can use expose' on them. |
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| 14:38.54 | sjansen | I pity anyone trying to go south in Davis country right now. |
| 14:39.31 | sjansen | Traffic is stacked up from 500 S in bountiful past Layton. |
| 14:39.50 | sjansen | The major city roads are stacked. The back street are starting to stack up. |
| 14:40.08 | sjansen | Traffic on the highway must be doing about 3 mph. |
| 14:40.51 | sjansen | Rollover involving a semi near 500 s. |
| 14:41.35 | dataw0lf|w | that'll do it. |
| 14:46.23 | bbeattie | vont: define coaxial inputs? |
| 14:46.38 | bbeattie | hrm, he's gone, |
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| 14:53.48 | levi | There seems to always be an accident blocking traffic between Salt Lake and Davis counties. |
| 14:54.00 | levi | Man, I need more sleep. |
| 14:55.11 | levi | That darn lisp hacking is so addictive, it kept me up. |
| 14:56.52 | levi | I now have html output from my proto-blog server at http://lifeoflevi.com/lisp |
| 14:57.20 | levi | Well, I did at some point. |
| 14:57.30 | levi | It appears to not be working right now for some reason. |
| 14:58.42 | levi | Oh, it's at http://lifeoflevi.com/araneida/ |
| 14:58.56 | hans | ~dance |
| 14:58.57 | ibot | ACTION does a disco dance. |
| 14:59.10 | hans | A |
| 14:59.15 | hans | ~dance |
| 14:59.16 | ibot | ACTION does a disco dance. |
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| 15:00.32 | hans | levi: congrats. have a cigar |
| 15:01.03 | bonez41 | ...you're gonna go far..... |
| 15:01.59 | bonez41 | hans, how's your new protege? is he cranking out the code yet? or still just figuring out what the keyboard is first? |
| 15:02.54 | sjansen | *sigh* I should have known better than to hope for intelligent discussion on /. |
| 15:03.37 | hans | do share |
| 15:03.50 | hans | bonez41: good. 8 teeth now |
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| 15:04.48 | bonez41 | ouch....razor sharp.....keep all non-expendable parts away from intake....... |
| 15:05.13 | bonez41 | I bet Erin's keepin busy chasing him around... |
| 15:05.29 | sjansen | Wow. I'm mean, really, wow. |
| 15:05.34 | sjansen | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050421023821174 |
| 15:07.03 | xbmodder_lappy | good morning to you all! |
| 15:13.19 | hans | sjansen: good link |
| 15:13.35 | hans | It's nice to hear from a secondhand source that I was right |
| 15:14.31 | sjansen | I already suspected that McVoy was just being a prick, but my goodness. |
| 15:17.24 | dataw0lf|w | wow. |
| 15:19.10 | dataw0lf|w | that's jawesome. |
| 15:19.21 | dataw0lf|w | I wonder what good ole Larry will respond with. |
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| 15:22.28 | spr | ~lart security bit screws |
| 15:22.43 | hans | also http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/21/tridgell_bitkeeper_howto/ |
| 15:27.17 | sjansen | "We pistol-whipped our students with a charming mixture of wit, knowledge, and lies." |
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| 15:45.42 | hans | what I don't get is why it's ok for linus to whip out git when he was clearly a bitkeeper user in the last 6 months. IIRC that is against the BK license utterly and entirely, whereas what tridge did was only maybe in violation of the license by osdl in some obscure way |
| 15:46.11 | hans | or is it because git "isn't a full-fledged scm"? |
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| 15:47.36 | sjansen | Or because it's named "Git" (a probably dig at Tridge)? |
| 15:49.34 | hans | perhaps, but it applies equally well to mcvoy or even linus depending on your pov |
| 15:50.56 | dataw0lf|w | eh, I think both McVoy and Linus are acting incredibly stupid in this whole matter. |
| 15:51.04 | sjansen | yep |
| 15:51.49 | dataw0lf|w | and the attacks Linus has perpetrated on Tridge? Man, I think that's horrible. |
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| 15:53.34 | hans | I'm guessing tridge is made of tough enough stuff to handle it, but yes. |
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| 15:55.41 | hans | what really gets me are the people who blame tridge for the withdrawal of bk because he "maliciously set out to cause harm" (linus said something like that too, iirc) |
| 15:56.13 | levi | Silly people and their conclusion-jumping. |
| 16:00.35 | Uncle_Jesse | silly revision control |
| 16:00.47 | Uncle_Jesse | who needs it anyway? |
| 16:00.49 | hans | when the real problem was that someone had the power to pull the plug in the first place |
| 16:02.32 | hans | it's like 3 kids fighting. "Don't chew with your mouth open or I'll beat up sjansen" and then pretending the bully is innocent because it was the chewer who chewed |
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| 16:08.34 | spr | I did it! |
| 16:09.21 | sjansen | Uhm. Congratulation. |
| 16:09.27 | sjansen | Did what? |
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| 16:20.59 | vontrapp | doesn't matter, this would still work |
| 16:21.21 | hans | unless Uncle_Jesse doesn't use X |
| 16:21.32 | vontrapp | true |
| 16:22.01 | hans | or his boss won't let him use xxkb |
| 16:22.22 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 16:28.35 | vontrapp | do files have a seperate mtime and ctime? |
| 16:28.58 | vontrapp | time created vs time modified |
| 16:29.02 | dataw0lf|w | yes. |
| 16:29.11 | dataw0lf|w | check out the file inode struct. |
| 16:29.23 | hans | but c isn't for created |
| 16:29.32 | hans | regardless of what you might read. it's changed |
| 16:29.36 | hans | change != modify |
| 16:29.41 | hans | (in this context) |
| 16:29.56 | dataw0lf|w | right. |
| 16:29.56 | sjansen | ctime is when the inode is modified, IIRC |
| 16:29.56 | hans | chmod is a change, touch or cat >> foo is a modify |
| 16:30.11 | dataw0lf|w | yes, anytime the inode is |
| 16:30.13 | dataw0lf|w | ugh |
| 16:30.17 | dataw0lf|w | 'changed' == ctime |
| 16:30.45 | hans | some manpages erroneously say ctime is creation time. |
| 16:30.56 | dataw0lf|w | eh? |
| 16:30.59 | dataw0lf|w | which ones? |
| 16:31.01 | hans | or so I hear |
| 16:31.08 | hans | (in UNIX pwer tools) |
| 16:31.33 | dataw0lf|w | is that book any good, btw? |
| 16:31.41 | bigdog_ut | it is really good |
| 16:31.51 | dataw0lf|w | I need to pick it up, then. |
| 16:31.59 | hans | very good |
| 16:32.05 | dataw0lf|w | I just got Essential System Administration. Actually has stuff on Tru64. |
| 16:32.08 | hans | great bathroom reading |
| 16:32.10 | bigdog_ut | i have an online copy of it that i reference alot |
| 16:32.17 | hans | or, "I'm bored at work but still want to look legit" reading |
| 16:32.20 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: really? link? |
| 16:32.26 | dataw0lf|w | hans: those are the best. |
| 16:32.32 | hans | you don't read it straight through. |
| 16:32.35 | dataw0lf|w | re: looking legit whilst reading. |
| 16:32.40 | bigdog_ut | i have it at home...a local copy i got |
| 16:32.53 | dataw0lf|w | Aye, I assume it's like the O'Reilly Cookbook and Hacks books. |
| 16:33.10 | hans | yeah, somewhat. |
| 16:34.54 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, let me see if i can get it for you |
| 16:35.31 | dataw0lf|w | that'd be awesome, I'm going to do that review tomorrow night by the way. |
| 16:35.50 | dataw0lf|w | I'm going to post it on the Ubuntu Forums as well, just for some extra coverage. |
| 16:35.59 | dataw0lf|w | we're trying to get publisher support there now. |
| 16:36.30 | dataw0lf|w | since we have ~16k members, should be relatively easy. |
| 16:36.44 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 16:37.09 | dataw0lf|w | we're starting some programming and art contests there, need some prizes. |
| 16:37.34 | bigdog_ut | they will eat it up then |
| 16:37.47 | dataw0lf|w | Sweet. |
| 16:38.20 | dataw0lf|w | and since HP is going to start producing Ubuntu laptops, I'm going to try to get THAT hookup too ;) |
| 16:38.37 | bigdog_ut | that will be killer... |
| 16:38.46 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w, i added some more book to the file too |
| 16:38.50 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, get all of the mods free laptops hehe. |
| 16:39.05 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: awesome. |
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| 16:44.01 | tapH20guru | fyi: don't know if i'm duping work but I thought a planetutah would be slick... |
| 16:44.02 | tapH20guru | http://planetutah.adelantellc.com/ |
| 16:44.40 | tapH20guru | not all great utah FOSS sites have rss feeds tho |
| 16:44.50 | bigdog_ut | coool |
| 16:46.35 | tapH20guru | i'm open for other utah tech rss feeds too |
| 16:47.05 | sjansen | you know, that's a good diea |
| 16:47.18 | tapH20guru | thx |
| 16:47.26 | bigdog_ut | it is...now i can get all the info in one page |
| 16:47.46 | tapH20guru | i was even going to add the utah .net UG but no feed there |
| 16:47.52 | tapH20guru | no RSS love |
| 16:48.12 | dataw0lf|w | very nice. |
| 16:48.18 | dataw0lf|w | thanks tapH20guru |
| 16:48.21 | tapH20guru | np |
| 16:49.59 | Jayce^ | ok people, advice.. |
| 16:50.03 | Jayce^ | naming a new box :) |
| 16:50.13 | Jayce^ | Telperion, or Mithril for a new pbook |
| 16:52.03 | dataw0lf|w | Mithril |
| 16:52.24 | Jayce^ | that's what I'm leaning towards, but telperion is kinda fitting too (silver tree) |
| 16:53.04 | dataw0lf|w | I've read the Silmarillion, sir. |
| 16:53.15 | Jayce^ | well, you never know :) |
| 16:53.40 | dataw0lf|w | ;) |
| 16:54.01 | dataw0lf|w | I say Mithril, definitely. |
| 16:54.24 | JoshH | ya mithril |
| 16:54.47 | dataw0lf|w | Telperion is more fitting for a server or something. |
| 16:55.24 | tapH20guru | Jayce^: dual boot yer new toy? |
| 16:55.26 | dataw0lf|w | Gonna run PPC *Linux on it ? |
| 16:55.38 | dataw0lf|w | Remove OS X as fast as possible! |
| 16:55.43 | Jayce^ | I thought it (telperion)fitting based on the fact that it's my first *real* mac for a workstation, thus starting a trend |
| 16:55.48 | bigdog_ut | and install gentoo |
| 16:55.49 | Jayce^ | no, keeping osx, using fink |
| 16:55.59 | tapH20guru | booring! |
| 16:55.59 | Jayce^ | got my little old 500 for linux |
| 16:56.12 | Jayce^ | and not putting gentoo on a 500mhz :) |
| 16:56.33 | dataw0lf|w | I wouldn't put Gentoo on anything except for the sole of my shoe. |
| 16:56.52 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf|w, good point :) |
| 16:57.09 | tapH20guru | fight! fight! lol |
| 16:57.11 | dataw0lf|w | You can't do that, you're too busy installing, bigdog_ut. |
| 16:57.21 | bigdog_ut | rlol |
| 16:57.33 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf|w crackz me up |
| 16:57.39 | dataw0lf|w | hehe. |
| 16:58.56 | dataw0lf|w | psh, I don't care about the whole 'philosophy' dealie behind it. |
| 16:59.02 | dataw0lf|w | it's just a good Debian desktop distro. |
| 16:59.17 | bigdog_ut | yes and unfortunately i run it on my laptop |
| 16:59.26 | dataw0lf|w | I run it on my laptop too. |
| 16:59.35 | JoshH | i heard about its naked lady artwork but i couldnt find it on their site |
| 16:59.37 | dataw0lf|w | which I haven't dist-upgraded yet, I forgot. |
| 16:59.46 | bigdog_ut | JoshH, it is nice |
| 16:59.54 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 16:59.57 | dataw0lf|w | It's actually me in lingerie, JoshH. |
| 16:59.58 | bigdog_ut | i need to this weekend |
| 17:00.04 | JoshH | oh sweet |
| 17:00.09 | dataw0lf|w | my workstation is dist-upgraded. |
| 17:00.17 | dataw0lf|w | but I don't use my lappy too often anymore. |
| 17:00.57 | dataw0lf|w | guys on the Ubuntu forums are already dist-upgrading to Breezy. |
| 17:01.05 | JoshH | i put ubuntu on a spare box at work to play with but im too lazy to format my main workstation yet. |
| 17:01.07 | tapH20guru | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/include/circle.jpg ... now they are all fully clothed |
| 17:01.38 | bigdog_ut | cant remember where i got mine...but i was like...oh yeah |
| 17:01.39 | bigdog_ut | !!! |
| 17:02.13 | dataw0lf|w | Hoary was terrible when it was in development for the first three months, at least. |
| 17:02.23 | JoshH | ill probably just keep sticking with sid, once sarge is released it will get xorg and new gnome's faster and everything anyway. |
| 17:02.27 | sjansen | so that you benefit from everyone that waited three? ;-) |
| 17:02.31 | bigdog_ut | i guess i will just stick to the stable |
| 17:02.38 | dataw0lf|w | sjansen: this is correct. |
| 17:03.39 | dataw0lf|w | it's amazing how good the Ubuntu community is. |
| 17:04.11 | dataw0lf|w | compared to the Gentoo community (idiots), or Debian community (elitists) |
| 17:04.13 | bigdog_ut | except for whatz here name? |
| 17:04.17 | dataw0lf|w | kassetra |
| 17:04.20 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, I hate her. |
| 17:04.23 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 17:04.43 | bigdog_ut | all communities are the same to me |
| 17:04.46 | bigdog_ut | they have them all |
| 17:05.13 | hans | congrats, Jayce^ |
| 17:05.19 | dataw0lf|w | well, in the Ubuntu community, it's strange, because everyone is incredibly helpful and nice. I'm like the only moderator who maintains my elitist pose, it's a shame. |
| 17:05.21 | tapH20guru | i like the quicknees that the Ubuntu comm assembled... ie: ubuntuguide |
| 17:05.23 | bigdog_ut | i actually worked with a debian developer that was pretty cool |
| 17:05.38 | dataw0lf|w | Oh, I like the Debian community. |
| 17:05.42 | bigdog_ut | gentoo has great docs though |
| 17:05.49 | Jayce^ | #utah was started by a debian developer |
| 17:05.56 | Jayce^ | and ibot is the same bot as apt |
| 17:06.00 | dataw0lf|w | I'm just saying that the Ubuntu community takes that humanity to others thing and just runs with it. |
| 17:06.01 | tapH20guru | ubuntu wiki ain't bad tho |
| 17:06.05 | Jayce^ | ~ibot |
| 17:06.08 | JoshH | timriker right? |
| 17:06.11 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 17:06.15 | Jayce^ | bzflag himself |
| 17:06.17 | JoshH | i didnt know he was a dd, thats cool |
| 17:06.53 | JoshH | the debian community does suck, especially #debian here on freenode. the mailing lists aren't too bad though imo. |
| 17:07.13 | JoshH | at least not debian-user |
| 17:07.14 | dataw0lf|w | I like the Debian community, they crack me up. |
| 17:07.44 | dataw0lf|w | devel isn't too bad either, JoshH |
| 17:07.50 | JoshH | in #debian its the operators who are the most hostile, it is pretty funny but it would be nice to actually have a good community. |
| 17:08.03 | dataw0lf|w | go into Ubuntu and ask a question. |
| 17:08.23 | dataw0lf|w | watch the dazzling display of actual assistance. |
| 17:08.25 | dataw0lf|w | psh, what weirdos. |
| 17:08.50 | dataw0lf|w | and you can usually catch jdub in there for interesting convos. |
| 17:08.58 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 17:09.18 | JoshH | if people who asked stupid questions were ignored, it would be one thing, but whenever someone does that in #debian the ops all take turns flaming him, making dpkg flame him, etc and that kind of stuff comprises about 80 percent of the channel. |
| 17:09.41 | dataw0lf|w | at least they know what they're talking about. |
| 17:09.51 | dataw0lf|w | Go into #fedora or #gentoo and it's a bunch of idiots. |
| 17:09.55 | JoshH | lol ya |
| 17:10.06 | bigdog_ut | but im the exception |
| 17:10.34 | dataw0lf|w | I'll hold back and just say you are bigdog_ut. |
| 17:10.46 | JoshH | i like #linux on gamesurge, its a fairly friendly and fairly funny place. |
| 17:11.06 | dataw0lf|w | I haven't been on gamesurge in ages, ever since I retired from my CS clan. |
| 17:11.53 | dataw0lf|w | wow, that was a long time ago. |
| 17:12.19 | dataw0lf|w | I need to put together a Windows machine. |
| 17:13.08 | JoshH | i have a windows partition but these days i only play games for about a half hour every 2 weeks. |
| 17:13.43 | dataw0lf|w | I haven't had Windows on any of my machines in.. four years? I can't remember. |
| 17:13.53 | tapH20guru | CS ain't bad on winex / cedega / whatever |
| 17:14.04 | dataw0lf|w | Oh, wait, I had a windows partition six or seven months ago for Doom 3 |
| 17:14.16 | dataw0lf|w | tapH20guru: agreed. |
| 17:14.18 | JoshH | i used to use winex when i had a geforce4, but ever since i got my radeon its just not worth it. |
| 17:15.06 | tapH20guru | not impressed with ATI on Linux compared to Nvidia |
| 17:15.45 | JoshH | nope |
| 17:15.49 | dataw0lf|w | agreed |
| 17:15.58 | dataw0lf|w | not impressed with ATI, bottom line. |
| 17:16.15 | tapH20guru | i'd pay good $$ for... http://kerneltrap.org/node/4622 |
| 17:16.18 | dataw0lf|w | Nvidia is at least making some effort. |
| 17:16.40 | sjansen | Ladies and gentlemen: the world isn't fair. |
| 17:16.49 | sjansen | You may now again go about your business. |
| 17:17.14 | dataw0lf|w | well, that's really what's holding Linux back from leveraging the desktop toward themself, e.g. hardware vendors. |
| 17:17.32 | dataw0lf|w | 'toward themself' wth was I talking about? |
| 17:17.39 | dataw0lf|w | sorry, I'm exhausted. |
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| 17:22.22 | tapH20guru | We've got a fungus! <rimshot> |
| 17:23.12 | sjansen | tapH20guru: You don't have a Plug face yet. Want me to send you one? |
| 17:23.36 | tapH20guru | sjansen, eh? |
| 17:23.37 | sjansen | I've got both crystal and flat as svg, can render as any size you want. |
| 17:23.54 | sjansen | For your planet. |
| 17:23.56 | tapH20guru | oh the planet site... yeah |
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| 17:27.43 | sjansen | tapH20guru: What size do you want? Flat or crystal? |
| 17:29.01 | tapH20guru | hmmm |
| 17:33.20 | tapH20guru | if only BYUUG would have rss v2 for planet_utahr :( |
| 17:33.45 | tapH20guru | does anyone from UPHPU have a logo for planet_utahr? |
| 17:33.55 | sjansen | You want to contact wps. |
| 17:34.09 | vontrapp | or just fill in a description |
| 17:34.16 | sjansen | Don't think he actively monitors this channel, even though he hangs out in it. |
| 17:34.23 | wps | correct |
| 17:34.30 | wps | what is planet_utahr ? |
| 17:34.37 | tapH20guru | wps: you gat a schweet upupu logo |
| 17:34.41 | vontrapp | ~links |
| 17:34.42 | ibot | Lynx-like text WWW browser. URL: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/ |
| 17:34.54 | tapH20guru | http://planetutah.adelantellc.com |
| 17:34.58 | sjansen | http://planetutah.adelantellc.com/ |
| 17:35.00 | vontrapp | um, not there |
| 17:35.10 | vontrapp | ~lart ibot |
| 17:35.29 | wps | thanks, tapH20guru |
| 17:35.32 | tapH20guru | SLLUG not rss v2 either :( |
| 17:36.12 | vontrapp | you can still have descriptions without v2, can't you? |
| 17:36.37 | tapH20guru | yeah - but it groups all the events together |
| 17:36.47 | tapH20guru | like one big event |
| 17:37.13 | tapH20guru | looks nac (not as cool) |
| 17:37.18 | vontrapp | http://von.fugal.net/blog/index.rss <- version 0.91 |
| 17:37.20 | wps | tapH20guru: http://uphpu.org/images/logo_mini.png |
| 17:37.21 | sjansen | sounds like something a little perl could fix |
| 17:37.39 | wps | UPHPU's RSS is only .91 :( |
| 17:37.50 | tapH20guru | tsk tsk tsk |
| 17:38.01 | wps | tapH20guru: let me know if you need one that is reversed (white background) |
| 17:38.37 | sjansen | betcha Jayce^ could transform it in a single regex |
| 17:39.42 | tapH20guru | wps: yeah could you get me a reverse purtier one |
| 17:39.43 | sjansen | hmm, not the UUG, though |
| 17:40.44 | sjansen | or SLLUG |
| 17:40.48 | sjansen | okay, n/m |
| 17:45.26 | vontrapp | i don't see a significant difference between a .91 and 2.0 layout |
| 17:45.37 | vontrapp | they both have <item>'s |
| 17:45.45 | sjansen | there's no meta-data there to find out when the item was posted |
| 17:45.52 | tapH20guru | it's parsing for a date |
| 17:45.59 | vontrapp | oh, i see |
| 17:46.38 | tapH20guru | k, planet_utahr should have a glorious PLUG logo |
| 17:46.54 | sjansen | glorius |
| 17:47.12 | sjansen | Ick. Could you use the Atom feed instead? |
| 17:47.19 | tapH20guru | hmmm... i think so |
| 17:47.35 | tapH20guru | likage? |
| 17:47.40 | sjansen | Planet can read Atom, it just doesn't like writing it. |
| 17:47.56 | sjansen | http://plug.org/atom.xml |
| 17:48.26 | sjansen | ATM, the Plug feeds are hand coded. Atom is much easier to write, so I skimp on the RSS 2 feed. |
| 17:49.08 | tapH20guru | hmm... i switched it to view the atom feed... it looks funny |
| 17:49.41 | tapH20guru | it doesn't link to the news event itself |
| 17:49.43 | tapH20guru | :( |
| 17:49.44 | vontrapp | looks empty |
| 17:49.55 | sjansen | ~lart planet |
| 17:50.08 | dataw0lf|w | what a wuss lart. |
| 17:50.12 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 17:50.19 | sjansen | but accurate |
| 17:50.29 | dataw0lf|w | True, but it's not fun at all. |
| 17:50.31 | tapH20guru | i'll swotch back to the plug rss feed... |
| 17:50.50 | tapH20guru | btw: plug and UVLUGs feeds are legit for planet |
| 17:51.00 | sjansen | It does link, but there's no unique page for the article. See comment about hand coding. |
| 17:51.01 | tapH20guru | the rest of em aren't so cool |
| 17:51.18 | tapH20guru | hmmm.... yeah ok |
| 17:51.35 | tapH20guru | but the rss feed still looks better |
| 17:51.38 | tapH20guru | :) |
| 17:51.46 | hans | dataw0lf|w: I think the "ever so gently" was supposed to invoke the imagination clause |
| 17:51.53 | hans | as in, not really gently |
| 17:52.09 | dataw0lf|w | pfft. |
| 17:52.18 | dataw0lf|w | like an annoying newbie has imagination. |
| 17:52.24 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 17:52.52 | sjansen | Oh, I don't know. Some of the question's I've seen require quite a bit of imagination. |
| 17:53.03 | sjansen | Or an alterted perception of reality. |
| 17:53.26 | tapH20guru | anyway we can convince SLLUG, UPHPU and BYU-UUG to put date data in their feeds? |
| 17:53.26 | vontrapp | so what are the required fields for rss 2.0? |
| 17:53.42 | vontrapp | tapH20guru: sorry, lost the election :( |
| 17:53.46 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 17:53.49 | sjansen | RSS 2 is an ugly RDF based monster |
| 17:53.54 | tapH20guru | http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss |
| 17:55.05 | tapH20guru | all planet needs is the pubDate! |
| 17:57.18 | sjansen | oh, wait RSS 1.0 is the ugle RDF monster |
| 17:57.40 | sjansen | RSS 2.0 is sane |
| 17:59.54 | Maquis | tapH20guru: you want date data in the RSS feeds for the LUGs? |
| 18:00.04 | Maquis | i can talk to our webmaster about that |
| 18:00.05 | tapH20guru | yes sir! |
| 18:00.12 | tapH20guru | thx |
| 18:00.59 | tapH20guru | i hope planet_utah helps peeps out |
| 18:01.32 | sjansen | Why the r at the end? |
| 18:02.07 | tapH20guru | the utah accent of course! |
| 18:02.10 | tapH20guru | :) |
| 18:05.27 | Maquis | tapH20guru: ok... so, i've got the "change to RSS2, and add date fields" stuff |
| 18:05.34 | Maquis | anything else that UUG needs to do? |
| 18:05.36 | tapH20guru | woo hoo! |
| 18:05.41 | tapH20guru | lemme check it out... |
| 18:05.53 | Maquis | (it's not done... i'm just sticking it in an email to our webmaster) |
| 18:06.08 | tapH20guru | oh.. yeah that's good |
| 18:06.12 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 18:06.14 | Maquis | ok... |
| 18:06.16 | Maquis | :) |
| 18:07.24 | tapH20guru | uphpu's logo is gold |
| 18:07.36 | tapH20guru | BTW: thanks for all the help on this |
| 18:08.04 | tapH20guru | you guys are nicer than any ubunut forum! |
| 18:08.06 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 18:08.37 | sjansen | heh, looks like we've got an arms race |
| 18:08.46 | sjansen | each feed face is getting larger |
| 18:08.53 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 18:10.00 | tapH20guru | how sweet .. plug wall paper |
| 18:10.49 | Maquis | doh! |
| 18:11.51 | Maquis | the innards of a broken wireless card? |
| 18:11.58 | Maquis | does that count for anything? |
| 18:12.06 | tapH20guru | I'll pass thx |
| 18:12.24 | Maquis | :) |
| 18:16.21 | tapH20guru | what is nupm.org? |
| 18:17.01 | sjansen | northern utah perl mongers |
| 18:17.10 | tapH20guru | ahhh |
| 18:17.25 | sjansen | the Web site hasn't debutted yet |
| 18:17.32 | tapH20guru | *ahem* the topic doesn't include oalug.com :( |
| 18:17.45 | sjansen | so change it |
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| 18:19.34 | Maquis | wow... lots of utah LUGs (and such) |
| 18:20.15 | tapH20guru | too bad FSLC doesn't have an event feed |
| 18:21.07 | Maquis | how does one change the topic without retyping the existing topic? |
| 18:21.12 | Maquis | (or copy-paste) |
| 18:21.28 | sjansen | Maquis: one uses x-chat which makes it really easy |
| 18:21.38 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 18:22.10 | Maquis | x-chat doesn't work nicely over ssh |
| 18:22.36 | tapH20guru | X11 forwarding? |
| 18:23.12 | Maquis | tapH20guru: ick |
| 18:23.34 | Maquis | X11 forwarding doesn't work with screen, though... |
| 18:28.48 | bonez39 | Maquis: what is 'having irc in screen'? |
| 18:29.02 | bonez39 | oh, remotely.... |
| 18:29.17 | Maquis | yeah... where it's connected to irc whether or not you're connected to the server |
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| 18:32.17 | Maquis | w00t! |
| 18:34.03 | Maquis | or not |
| 18:37.29 | Maquis | Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.) |
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| 18:39.09 | Maquis | getmail works fine... but ssmtp isn't playing very nicely |
| 18:45.35 | *** topic/#utah by tapH20guru -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for agregate feeds. |
| 18:59.30 | sjansen | "Any country that pickles its national cheese in brine and adulterates its national wine with pine pitch should order dinner at the local Chinese place and save its energies for other things. The British go to Greece for the food, which says volumes to me." |
| 18:59.38 | sjansen | http://slate.msn.com/id/3152/ |
| 19:10.12 | bucky | Harriet Michaels: Do you actually like haggis? |
| 19:10.16 | bucky | Charlie Mackenzie: No, I think it's repellent in every way. In fact, I think most Scottish cuisine is based on a dare. |
| 19:10.38 | bucky | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108174/quotes |
| 19:27.12 | *** topic/#utah by zombie-m -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org, oalug.com. See planetutah.adelantellc.com for aggregate feeds. |
| 19:27.36 | zombie-m | (fixed spelling: agregate -> aggregate) |
| 19:31.40 | levi | PHP and GTK? Ew. |
| 19:32.19 | levi | I liked PHP better when it was a web template language. |
| 19:32.23 | hans | Maquis: in irssi, type /topic then tab |
| 19:37.40 | vontrapp | levi: yeah, i still like it better as a web template language |
| 19:42.02 | jsmith | bucky: But haggis is good! |
| 19:42.37 | levi | Not that I really liked php for that, either. |
| 19:44.33 | levi | Whoa. I just got a figlet-style spam. |
| 19:45.03 | vontrapp | ~figspam levi |
| 19:48.21 | bucky | all we have here is sub-way and taco bell |
| 19:53.08 | levi | You mean there are nicer restaurants than those?! |
| 19:53.33 | sjansen | Carl's Junior, or course |
| 19:55.01 | tapH20guru | Don't forget Betos ;P |
| 19:58.00 | sjansen | Hmm, Betos. |
| 19:58.32 | sjansen | o/~ Everybody was Kung-Fu fighting! Those cats were fast as lighting. ~/o |
| 19:58.39 | bigdog_ut | what a great gut bomb |
| 20:00.48 | tapH20guru | there's nothing like real mexican food |
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| 20:17.41 | Frog-Lad | hi |
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| 20:23.27 | JoshH | i had a barbacoa burrito today, and a cafe rio burrito yesterday. |
| 20:24.05 | JoshH | both were top notch |
| 21:08.01 | Bradipo | hans: You around? |
| 21:08.42 | levi | No, he's a square. |
| 21:09.01 | Bradipo | Its hip to be square. |
| 21:09.13 | dataw0lf|w | your parents lied to you. |
| 21:09.36 | bucky | Huey Lewis ? |
| 21:10.15 | bucky | ~seen hans |
| 21:10.19 | ibot | hans is currently on #utah (1d 6h 37m 34s). Has said a total of 109 messages. Is idling for 1h 37m 56s |
| 21:16.24 | Jayce^ | hrm, fink, or darwinports.. |
| 21:16.28 | Jayce^ | any opinions? |
| 21:17.13 | Maquis | hans: thanks |
| 21:18.01 | vontrapp | dabo dae yday oam. 'g.oycrb |
| 21:18.18 | vontrapp | er, hans had that same question |
| 21:18.46 | vontrapp | don,t know what he decided |
| 21:18.49 | levi | I use fink, and it seems to work. |
| 21:19.04 | levi | I don't use it a lot, though. |
| 21:23.51 | hans | Bradipo: pong |
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| 21:24.38 | hans | Jayce^: both? :) they can coexist but of course they won't share dependencies |
| 21:25.21 | hans | I decided to give darwinports a try since that would be a little bit like trying BSD or gentoo |
| 21:25.40 | hans | I've been meaning to try this ports thing and see if it's all it's cracked up to be. |
| 21:26.58 | hans | vontrapp: all imms really needs is a program with a playlist. doesn't even need a gui. we could probably write a console player that does enough in no time flat |
| 21:27.38 | hans | or perhaps fit e.g. alsaplayer with an imms plugin |
| 21:28.13 | levi | hans: Fink does source builds, too. |
| 21:28.25 | hans | yes, but it's based on dpkg, etc |
| 21:28.42 | hans | which isn't bad of course, but I'm already familiar with that. I was in the experimenting mood |
| 21:28.44 | levi | I didn't think the source part was? I never looked at it too closely. |
| 21:29.50 | hans | I haven't either. |
| 21:34.24 | hans | but I'd think it's just gonna build the .debs or else dependencies would get all screwy |
| 21:38.31 | hans | so don't |
| 21:38.54 | hans | sjansen will give you some |
| 21:39.13 | sjansen | sure, I've got plenty |
| 21:39.20 | sjansen | but she'll have to come get it |
| 21:40.07 | Jayce^ | hans, thought they didn't |
| 21:40.11 | Maquis | but i think i'll wait until the heritage parking lot opens up for general use at 4 |
| 21:43.02 | sjansen | ~mock amcnabb |
| 21:43.04 | ibot | ACTION pulls amcnabb's pants down and shows the world amcnabb's pink spotted underwear |
| 21:53.59 | bucky | there.. teach you to leave the door open :P |
| 21:54.31 | Maquis | yay! |
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| 21:54.48 | Maquis | bucky: actually, one of the girls next door just told me i can use hers for the rest of the day :) |
| 21:54.56 | Maquis | sjansen: why are we mocking amcnabb? |
| 21:55.02 | bucky | for nice :)) |
| 21:55.08 | Maquis | bucky: no kidding |
| 21:55.20 | sjansen | He just became an object lesson in the security class being taught across the hall. |
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| 21:55.30 | Maquis | really??? explain |
| 21:55.57 | bucky | a little social engineering ala mitnick ? |
| 21:56.13 | sjansen | Some time ago, I discovered that the default Postfix config has a minor security problem: it trusts members of it's subnet. |
| 21:56.25 | bucky | oooh |
| 21:56.30 | sjansen | The McNabb's have a linode on the same subnet as mine. |
| 21:56.49 | bucky | voila |
| 21:57.03 | sjansen | So I sent amcnabb an email claiming to be from emcnabb: "I think we should give Stuart $50 for his birthday." |
| 21:57.41 | sjansen | To which amcnabb replied "Uhm, okay. But don't you think that's a bit much?" |
| 21:57.49 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 21:58.26 | sjansen | As it turns out, they have a brother named Stewart. |
| 21:58.39 | sjansen | emcnabb always signs his email with gpg. |
| 21:59.13 | sjansen | So amcnabb ignored the mis-spelled name, the missing signature, and the headers that showed the message was relayed from me. |
| 21:59.42 | sjansen | I just wished he'd agreed to give it to _me_ for _my_ birthday. |
| 21:59.47 | bucky | that is ruthless |
| 21:59.56 | tapH20guru | good hack |
| 22:00.03 | tapH20guru | social hack |
| 22:00.20 | bucky | ~reward sjansen |
| 22:00.33 | dataw0lf|w | that wasn't really a 'social hack' |
| 22:00.44 | sjansen | nope, it wasn't |
| 22:01.10 | *** join/#utah mooneroid_ (~mooneroid@jmoon.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 22:01.11 | tapH20guru | i suppose not but if he would have given you $50 it might qualify |
| 22:01.12 | sjansen | it was actually only a tiny step above script kiddie |
| 22:01.25 | sjansen | But it was still funny. :-) |
| 22:01.32 | bucky | but if he would have called and said "i promise not to show this to your brother if..." |
| 22:01.33 | tapH20guru | the "social" part comes in when you get people to do things |
| 22:01.58 | tapH20guru | either way it was worth a laugh |
| 22:02.07 | tapH20guru | ha ha ha |
| 22:03.30 | tapH20guru | question 4 all: what are some good tech news sites besides slashdot, OSnews? |
| 22:03.54 | sjansen | technocrat.net |
| 22:04.40 | dataw0lf|w | theonion.com |
| 22:04.44 | tapH20guru | lol |
| 22:04.46 | sjansen | heh |
| 22:04.46 | tapH20guru | good call |
| 22:05.38 | Maquis | one of my friends just passed this on to me: |
| 22:05.41 | Maquis | http://blastradius.blogspot.com/2005/04/world-of-pain.html |
| 22:05.45 | dataw0lf|w | I mean, c'mon, headlines like this ? : Papal Election Brings End To Worldwide Unsupervised Catholic Sin Binge |
| 22:06.29 | dataw0lf|w | I have the torrent of the entire video for download, if you want it, Maquis. |
| 22:07.37 | Maquis | dataw0lf|w: video? of what? |
| 22:07.42 | Maquis | sjansen: that's inherently cool |
| 22:07.47 | Maquis | did you show emcnabb? |
| 22:07.50 | tensai | tapH20guru: rootprompt.org |
| 22:08.13 | tensai | opensource.weblogsinc.com |
| 22:08.22 | tensai | groklaw.net |
| 22:08.24 | dataw0lf|w | Maquis: that went over a webcast. |
| 22:08.30 | Maquis | oh... that's cool |
| 22:08.32 | dataw0lf|w | Maquist: I have the video of him saying that. |
| 22:08.39 | Maquis | do you have it any way besides bittorrent? |
| 22:08.49 | Maquis | bittorrent's blocked |
| 22:08.50 | tensai | linuxjournal.com |
| 22:08.50 | dataw0lf|w | let me check. |
| 22:09.29 | dataw0lf|w | not for the video, no, but I have it for the mp3 (just the part that was transcribed there) |
| 22:09.49 | Maquis | dataw0lf|w: that'd be cool... how can i get it? |
| 22:10.08 | dataw0lf|w | dataw0lf.org/berkeley_thief.zip |
| 22:10.16 | Maquis | cool... thanks |
| 22:10.24 | dataw0lf|w | np |
| 22:10.46 | levi | Is the video/audio significantly more interesting than the transcript? |
| 22:11.21 | dataw0lf|w | I haven't even listened to the audio, but the video was pretty cool. |
| 22:12.04 | dataw0lf|w | significantly? probably not. |
| 22:12.07 | tensai | grr. redhat. |
| 22:13.01 | tapH20guru | dataw0lf: what desktop are you using? xfc? |
| 22:13.40 | tapH20guru | not bad-> http://dataw0lf.org/image/hoary.png |
| 22:15.30 | tapH20guru | n/m should read your blog post more carefully |
| 22:15.53 | levi | Ew, I hate fake-transparent windows. |
| 22:16.12 | tapH20guru | i'm guessing nvidia card .. xcompmgr no likey ATI |
| 22:17.28 | dataw0lf|w | those aren't fake trans |
| 22:17.52 | dataw0lf|w | import just screwed up |
| 22:19.30 | levi | import? |
| 22:20.37 | vontrapp | the terminal is a fake trans |
| 22:20.38 | dataw0lf|w | man import |
| 22:20.54 | dataw0lf|w | no, it's not import just screwed up |
| 22:22.00 | levi | Ahh. |
| 22:22.34 | levi | hans: You end up finding the CurrencyConverter tutorial? |
| 22:22.44 | dataw0lf|w | the render of the screenshot screwed up, look at it closer and you'll see some discrepancies. |
| 22:24.41 | vontrapp | where is the transset program from? |
| 22:25.13 | dataw0lf|w | part of xcompmgr |
| 22:25.19 | dataw0lf|w | or an extension anyway. |
| 22:26.40 | vontrapp | and that's an x.org thing i suppose? |
| 22:26.46 | dataw0lf|w | Indeed. |
| 22:26.53 | vontrapp | i wish debian had x.org |
| 22:27.07 | JoshH | i hear you can install the ubuntu packages on sid and it works. |
| 22:27.08 | dataw0lf|w | bah, that's why I switched to Ubuntu. |
| 22:27.11 | dataw0lf|w | Debian++ |
| 22:27.15 | sjansen | vontrapp: Don't worry, it should it two or three years. |
| 22:27.19 | dataw0lf|w | for the desktop anyways. |
| 22:28.01 | JoshH | ive used xorg before with freebsd and slackware, and other than the transparency, which sucks anyway on my ati card, it doesnt make a lot of difference for me. |
| 22:28.15 | JoshH | so i can patiently wait for it to show up in sid |
| 22:28.50 | bucky | dataw0lf|w, xfce4 has it's own xcompmgr for xorg |
| 22:28.57 | dataw0lf|w | there really isn't that much difference. |
| 22:29.06 | bucky | supposed to work better |
| 22:29.31 | dataw0lf|w | yeah, I actually installed that ... last night? |
| 22:29.48 | dataw0lf|w | pretty nice. |
| 22:30.34 | vontrapp | can you do crazy stuff like rotating windows with xcompmgr? |
| 22:30.36 | *** join/#utah mheath (~Michael@c-67-161-213-34.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:30.44 | dataw0lf|w | Nah, I don't think so. |
| 22:30.55 | vontrapp | you should be able to |
| 22:30.58 | vontrapp | imo |
| 22:31.07 | dataw0lf|w | I haven't really messed with it that much. |
| 22:31.17 | dataw0lf|w | just some fadein/fadeout stuff, transparencies, etc. |
| 22:31.32 | dataw0lf|w | got bored with them after about 5 minutes and shutdown xcompmgr, heh. |
| 22:31.39 | vontrapp | fadein/out as in for window creation/deletion? |
| 22:31.51 | dataw0lf|w | and minimization/maximization |
| 22:31.53 | misterpull | luminosity looks like fun |
| 22:31.57 | dataw0lf|w | it's actually a really, really cool effect. |
| 22:32.12 | dataw0lf|w | I'm thinking of checking out E17, I heard it was ok. |
| 22:32.29 | dataw0lf|w | ah, time to leave work. |
| 22:32.38 | dataw0lf|w | take care gents (and... lady?) :) |
| 22:32.50 | levi | dataw0lf: Is the fancy stuff reasonably fast with your video card? |
| 22:33.29 | *** join/#utah tapH20guru (~tapH20gur@204.110.227.64) |
| 22:33.42 | JoshH | i want to check out e17 also |
| 22:33.49 | JoshH | but alas, im too lazy to grab it |
| 22:41.50 | Maquis | ok... big question |
| 22:41.59 | levi | 42 |
| 22:42.08 | Maquis | my roommate has some mp3s (she thinks that's what they are), of 4-minute songs (appr)... |
| 22:42.12 | Maquis | some of them are 58 MB |
| 22:42.37 | Maquis | what could cause this, and is there anything that she can do to shrink them down to a slightly more reasonable size? |
| 22:42.39 | sjansen | that'd be a long mp3, or have very little compression |
| 22:42.42 | Maquis | (this is a windoze question) |
| 22:42.49 | Maquis | sjansen: i'm guessing very little compression |
| 22:42.53 | Jayce^ | might actually be wav's |
| 22:42.57 | Maquis | because she says the song is only about 4 minutes |
| 22:43.01 | Jayce^ | would be an average size for that time |
| 22:43.20 | Maquis | Jayce^: that's possible.. any idea of a good program to convert? |
| 22:43.27 | Maquis | windoze just says it's a winamp media file |
| 22:44.20 | Jayce^ | any mp3/ogg/flac encoder |
| 22:45.38 | Jayce^ | http://halls.lug-nut.com/gallery/jayce/moblog/13355.12004345.jpg <-- it's aliiive |
| 22:45.47 | Jayce^ | meet "Mithril" |
| 22:46.44 | Maquis | Jayce^: you were right... it's a wav file |
| 22:47.02 | levi | Oooh. |
| 22:47.44 | levi | 15" Powerbook? |
| 22:48.07 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 22:48.18 | Jayce^ | 1.67 ghz |
| 22:49.22 | hans | does osx use gmt? |
| 22:50.43 | beandog | If I get one of these LInksys wrt54g routers, does it matter what version it is? |
| 22:50.54 | beandog | So I can hack it and put a new linux router thingie on it. |
| 22:51.10 | beandog | my brain just turned to puddingl |
| 22:51.31 | hans | really? cool |
| 22:51.47 | hans | I feel like some pistachio pudding |
| 22:51.52 | hans | er, puddingl |
| 22:52.31 | jsmith | hans: Hmmmmmnn... pistachios |
| 22:54.05 | levi | Mmm, pistachio. |
| 22:54.33 | levi | Jayce^: I'd like one too, please. ;) |
| 22:54.38 | beandog | Dangit |
| 22:54.43 | beandog | What were those called anyway |
| 22:55.12 | hans | firmware? |
| 22:55.24 | Jayce^ | levi, save up for a year :) |
| 22:55.39 | beandog | batbox |
| 22:55.46 | levi | I could buy one, but I think my wife would be peeved. |
| 22:56.22 | Jayce^ | my wife is taking a 9 day trip to japan next month, I can get away with a bit :) |
| 22:56.34 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:57.56 | Bradipo | hans: I like the sox man page entry about using the reverse feature (reverses the sample). |
| 22:58.25 | Bradipo | ``Reverse the sound sample completely. Included for finding Satanic subliminals.'' |
| 22:58.32 | hans | :) |
| 22:59.51 | levi | Subliminal... in an unnoticable way. |
| 23:46.12 | sjansen | Yaaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!! |
| 23:46.37 | levi | Heh. |
| 23:46.48 | levi | Yes, linux printing sucks. |
| 23:48.00 | levi | Some of my apps print, but others do not. |
| 23:48.16 | levi | I haven't figured out why, and I'm avoiding it as much as possible. |
| 23:48.43 | levi | I think I ended up switching to my Windows box last time I needed to print, now that I've got one. |
