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| 00:01.25 | sjansen | http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/scigen/ |
| 00:03.22 | findlay | but does it register enough monkey-typerwriter-hotdogs to gain Turing threshold potential? |
| 00:07.56 | sjansen | http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200310/200310.htm |
| 00:08.08 | sjansen | ~hail Vim |
| 00:08.11 | ibot | ACTION bows down to Vim and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 00:18.16 | levi | emacs has an outline mode, too. |
| 00:18.27 | sjansen | ~boo emacs |
| 00:18.28 | levi | But you will probably prefer the vim one. |
| 00:21.44 | Maquis | outline mode? |
| 00:22.05 | levi | Yeah, it does indentation and such for outlining. |
| 00:23.22 | findlay | outline mode, ha. Real men use ed, or cat |
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| 02:25.21 | fundle | much better. |
| 02:27.21 | fundle | can someone do me a favor and pm me? I'm trying to check somthing out. |
| 02:28.33 | hans | pm |
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| 02:34.56 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
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| 04:48.02 | dataw0lf | sorry about that, my keyboard shorted out. |
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| 05:09.12 | Maquis | another C question... |
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| 05:09.35 | Maquis | i have a struct here that has is in a #pragma pack |
| 05:09.55 | Maquis | it has for example a field that is 5 bits long, another that's 7 bits long, etc... |
| 05:10.08 | Maquis | how exactly do i assign values to those fields? |
| 05:11.15 | Maquis | does the question even make sense? |
| 05:14.23 | findlay | Maquis: don't you just use the dot (.) or pointer (->) operator? |
| 05:17.23 | Maquis | findlay: does the compiler figure out on its own that the field is only 5 bits long or 7 bits long or whatever? |
| 05:19.15 | findlay | when you declare the struct |
| 05:19.16 | findlay | struct duh { |
| 05:19.16 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.16 | findlay | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.17 | findlay | }; |
| 05:19.28 | findlay | you specify the number of bits to use |
| 05:20.20 | Maquis | yes |
| 05:20.25 | Maquis | and so, the compiler will realize that.. |
| 05:20.26 | Maquis | ok... |
| 05:20.32 | Maquis | i wasn't sure... |
| 05:20.57 | findlay | you can't take an address of a field. Other than that, they behave the same as an oridnary identifier |
| 05:21.42 | Maquis | ok... |
| 05:21.45 | Maquis | yay! thank you!!! |
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| 05:37.45 | Maquis | basque? i didn't know you were from spain! |
| 05:37.57 | LeviHome | I've never heard of #pragma pack before. Hmm. |
| 05:39.24 | LeviHome | Are you required to use this #pragma in class? |
| 05:39.39 | Maquis | LeviHome: it's part of the code the prof wrote |
| 05:39.53 | Maquis | if i changed it, i'd have to rewrite half the code that's given to us |
| 05:40.04 | LeviHome | He likes to write non-portable code, doesn't he? |
| 05:40.08 | Maquis | yeah |
| 05:40.16 | Maquis | well, it does work on windoze and linux |
| 05:40.16 | LeviHome | I'll bet he thinks he's really clever. |
| 05:40.30 | Maquis | and he has a separate version that works on OSX, apparently |
| 05:40.39 | Maquis | (has to fix some endian issues for that) |
| 05:40.54 | LeviHome | Compiler directives. |
| 05:41.21 | LeviHome | And they're implementation-dependant. |
| 05:41.27 | Maquis | it's for packing things so that you can fit a couple fields in the size of a single type |
| 05:41.41 | Maquis | (that's how our prof explained them, at least) |
| 05:43.29 | LeviHome | Why would you use that instead of bitfields? |
| 05:44.56 | Maquis | in this case, it's for stuffing information like the entire date in the directory entry |
| 05:46.29 | LeviHome | So, the directory entry is only a certain size, and using the full size of the date types won't let it fit? |
| 05:46.47 | Maquis | well, apparently this is how FAT actually does it |
| 05:47.10 | Maquis | which is why they are only accurate to 2 seconds |
| 05:49.30 | xbmodder | ? |
| 05:49.50 | xbmodder | thats accurate enough |
| 05:50.09 | LeviHome | Not always. |
| 05:50.18 | Maquis | fat 12 |
| 05:50.34 | Maquis | our prof said that's how it's "officially" done |
| 05:50.48 | Maquis | and i guess i have to believe him on some points because linux mounts our files correctly |
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| 07:37.15 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 07:37.24 | Maquis | mmmm... s'mores |
| 07:49.50 | Maquis | gah |
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| 14:57.09 | Uncle_Jesse | ahoyhoy |
| 14:57.22 | Uncle_Jesse | ~ahoyhoy |
| 14:58.01 | Uncle_Jesse | ibot, ahoyhoy is Greetings Mr. Burns! |
| 14:58.02 | ibot | Uncle_Jesse: okay |
| 14:58.07 | Uncle_Jesse | ~ahoyhoy |
| 14:58.08 | ibot | from memory, ahoyhoy is Greetings Mr. Burns! |
| 14:58.15 | Uncle_Jesse | doh |
| 14:58.29 | Uncle_Jesse | ibot, no, ahoyhoy is <action>Greetings Mr. Burns! |
| 14:58.30 | ibot | Uncle_Jesse: okay |
| 14:58.33 | Uncle_Jesse | ~ahoyhoy |
| 14:58.34 | ibot | ACTION Greetings Mr. Burns! |
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| 15:22.09 | hans | happy tax day! |
| 15:31.52 | vontrapp | ~lart tax day |
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| 15:33.58 | Uncle_Jesse | ibot, no, ahoyhoy is <reply>Greetings Mr. Burns! |
| 15:33.59 | ibot | okay, Uncle_Jesse |
| 15:34.04 | Uncle_Jesse | ~ahoyhoy |
| 15:34.05 | ibot | Greetings Mr. Burns! |
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| 15:36.10 | hagna_stadium | how do you scroll up and down in eshell in emacs |
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| 15:42.35 | hagna_stadium | hans: so are you excited for the 5 star restraunt? |
| 15:47.42 | hagna_stadium | s/restraunt/restaurant |
| 15:48.18 | hans | i'm taking calls |
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| 16:06.21 | hans | hmm, interesting. someone said "do you mind if I mirror these instructions here..." and the poor-english guy says "take my compliance. :-)" |
| 16:06.34 | hans | i assume that means yes |
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| 16:13.30 | brailsmt | dangit... here i am shaving yaks again... |
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| 16:14.47 | brailsmt | but vim-minimal just isn't gonna cut it... |
| 16:16.55 | vontrapp | the 'do you mind' question is overly confusing, esp for non-natives, it should be deprecated |
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| 16:17.09 | vontrapp | 'may i' is much better |
| 16:17.59 | vontrapp | brailsmt: at least you'll have handsome yakks |
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| 16:22.09 | vontrapp | ~lart lukfugl |
| 16:22.24 | vontrapp | ibot: you l4m3rz |
| 16:22.30 | lukfugl | ~lart vontrapp |
| 16:22.57 | lukfugl | ibot: forget that lart |
| 16:22.57 | ibot | lukfugl: i didn't have anything called 'that lart' to forget |
| 16:23.24 | vontrapp | ibot, that lart is a lart i should forget |
| 16:23.25 | ibot | vontrapp: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:23.40 | vontrapp | ibot: 'that lart' is a lart i should forget |
| 16:23.41 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, vontrapp |
| 16:23.46 | vontrapp | ~lart ibot |
| 16:24.45 | vontrapp | hhgttg? |
| 16:24.53 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 16:25.38 | lukfugl | ~lart soundcards without multiple channels |
| 16:26.06 | vontrapp | ~lart soundcards without multiple channels |
| 16:26.07 | Jayce^ | why the 30th? |
| 16:26.13 | Jayce^ | 29th man |
| 16:26.30 | lukfugl | Jayce^: yes, that's opening night, but I thought we were getting the group together or a Saturday matinee |
| 16:26.43 | Jayce^ | why not a group for the 29th? :) |
| 16:26.47 | Jayce^ | geeks night out |
| 16:26.47 | lukfugl | for a Saturday matinee, that is |
| 16:27.01 | lukfugl | I'm good with the 29th, but you'll have to convince Hans |
| 16:27.44 | vontrapp | lukfugl: is that your mac that has but one channel or another computer? |
| 16:27.50 | spr | mm..29th... |
| 16:27.52 | lukfugl | my work computer |
| 16:28.04 | hagna_stadium | ETA to new hardware 10 minutes |
| 16:30.35 | Maquis | GAH!!!!! |
| 16:30.55 | vontrapp | ~lart Maquis |
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| 16:32.47 | Jayce^ | nah, best cure is to just put in 'all mixed up', best to work together |
| 16:33.55 | brailsmt | what is the 30th? |
| 16:34.06 | findlay | ~cal |
| 16:34.07 | ibot | from memory, cal is a calendar. try $(cal 1752) |
| 16:34.16 | findlay | ~cal 2005 |
| 16:35.42 | Maquis | interesting... |
| 16:35.52 | Maquis | cal 1752 shows a rather short september.... |
| 16:36.25 | lukfugl | wow, the 3rd through 12th just disappeared |
| 16:36.36 | lukfugl | looks like the time thieves struck again |
| 16:36.40 | Maquis | i have 3rd through 13th disappearing... |
| 16:36.41 | Maquis | but yeah |
| 16:36.45 | Maquis | kinda scary |
| 16:36.56 | lukfugl | yeah, 14 - 1 is 13, not 12 :) |
| 16:37.01 | lukfugl | my bad |
| 16:37.04 | Maquis | lukfugl: :) |
| 16:37.07 | Maquis | it's still early |
| 16:39.08 | Maquis | i take it that ibot knew there was something odd about 1752, and thus pointed us at it... |
| 16:39.19 | Maquis | i'm just curious who first noticed this... |
| 16:40.11 | lukfugl | Maquis: maybe that's the year when they corrected the Gregorian calendar |
| 16:40.14 | lukfugl | shrug |
| 16:40.27 | lukfugl | if that's the case (probably) it would be well documented |
| 16:40.35 | Maquis | but 1752 ends on a saturday, and 1753 starts on a monday |
| 16:40.45 | Maquis | that sunday isn't in a year |
| 16:40.54 | vontrapp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1752 |
| 16:42.44 | Maquis | they show a full-sized september though... and they end on a sunday |
| 16:43.34 | Maquis | oh... wait... |
| 16:43.34 | Maquis | nm |
| 16:52.34 | Maquis | roommate: how's your paper? |
| 16:52.38 | Maquis | me: ugh... not yet |
| 16:52.45 | Maquis | her: oh... that stinks |
| 16:52.51 | Maquis | me: yeah... got til midnight |
| 16:53.01 | Maquis | her: do you have anything for tomorrow? |
| 16:53.06 | Maquis | me: yeah... paper |
| 16:53.10 | Maquis | her: ugh |
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| 17:18.36 | hans | I wonder if I should resist the tempation to hack firefox into a kiosk |
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| 17:23.14 | findlay | what kind of kiosk? |
| 17:23.36 | hans | lunchroom pc |
| 17:23.42 | hans | internet cafe sort of thing |
| 17:24.14 | findlay | that would be nice |
| 17:29.15 | hans | the trouble is, it's already working with windows 95 locked down decently. |
| 17:29.31 | hans | vontrapp: me too. I was actually hoping for a live CD kiosk |
| 17:29.49 | vontrapp | agh, does order by not apply before group by (mysql)??? |
| 17:29.55 | hans | I just need to change the proxy settings. so, it's figure out how to hack into the win95 box, or figure out how to make a linux kiosk. |
| 17:30.15 | hans | but it's looking like the linux kiosk is more involved at the moment. |
| 17:30.26 | lukfugl | vontrapp: no |
| 17:30.41 | lukfugl | why would it? |
| 17:31.08 | vontrapp | i want to group by a and get the max b associated with each a |
| 17:31.28 | vontrapp | but it gives me the same b in the group no matter how i sort it by b |
| 17:32.53 | vontrapp | and i can't just get max(b) because i need all the other stuff bound to that particular b |
| 17:33.41 | lukfugl | hmmm |
| 17:34.53 | vontrapp | is there a reason it wouldn't? that leaves no way to control which result you get in a grouping |
| 17:35.15 | vontrapp | unless there's something else i don't know about |
| 17:36.26 | lukfugl | well, my only counter to that is that the expected use of grouping is to discard the non-grouped fields |
| 17:36.33 | findlay | is the insert key useless |
| 17:36.43 | lukfugl | I can see how it would be useful to you in this case, but it's not what it was built for |
| 17:37.04 | lukfugl | findlay: I never use it |
| 17:37.49 | vontrapp | ick! who uses an at.gif in place of a real @ !? |
| 17:37.58 | lukfugl | what?! |
| 17:38.01 | findlay | how about the <Pause\nBreak> button (: |
| 17:38.05 | lukfugl | where's that? |
| 17:38.05 | vontrapp | http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/mysql/2005-q1/1025.html |
| 17:38.38 | lukfugl | my guess (from the url, haven't read the page) is anti-harvesting |
| 17:39.07 | lukfugl | and then their script got a little happy with all the other @'s in the email body |
| 17:39.17 | vontrapp | ic |
| 17:39.21 | vontrapp | kinda makes sense i gues |
| 17:39.49 | vontrapp | but that's not the only think making the table unreadable... |
| 17:40.02 | lukfugl | ~lart email harvesters |
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| 17:41.22 | lukfugl | ~lart non-fixed width fonts in email archives |
| 17:42.39 | lukfugl | vontrapp: if you view and copy the source, :%s the at.gif images, then purge all html tags, it should be readable |
| 17:43.08 | vontrapp | ah, it wasn't what i was looking for anyway |
| 17:43.37 | vontrapp | 'sides, i could just use edit css to put a nice body { font: monospace; } or something |
| 17:44.13 | vontrapp | so, any ideas of an alternative method to what i want? |
| 17:44.25 | lukfugl | in one query? no |
| 17:44.59 | vontrapp | and this is already a prequery to something else i wanted in one query :) |
| 17:45.30 | vontrapp | as long as it doesn't involve needing to do one query for each row of data, i'm game to give it a try |
| 17:45.48 | vontrapp | i really need this particular set |
| 17:47.58 | vontrapp | maybe a create temporary table foo select max(b) from tab group by a |
| 17:48.00 | hans | what the heck, it's friday. |
| 17:48.09 | findlay | http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2005/04/11/ubuntu#cds |
| 17:48.32 | vontrapp | er, select max(b), id .... |
| 17:49.00 | vontrapp | select t.* from tab t, foo f where t.id=foo.id |
| 17:49.10 | vontrapp | s/foo.id/f.id/ |
| 17:49.28 | vontrapp | any problem with that? |
| 17:49.39 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
| 17:49.57 | vontrapp | ~web hans |
| 17:49.58 | hans | all I can say is I'm happy that I don't write SQL for a living |
| 17:50.21 | vontrapp | sql is fun |
| 17:50.26 | jsmith | hans: But it's fun! |
| 17:50.50 | vontrapp | all the database stuff is my favorite part of my job |
| 17:51.05 | vontrapp | php is the lame part |
| 17:51.23 | Uncle_Jesse | I like perl more though |
| 17:51.53 | jsmith | lukfugl: Honestly -- I love SQL! I know most of you live in Utah County but c'mon -- I'm not evil! |
| 17:52.07 | lukfugl | ibot, web $who is <action>points at $who and shouts "Go web, go!" |
| 17:52.08 | ibot | okay, lukfugl |
| 17:52.13 | lukfugl | ~web hans |
| 17:52.15 | ibot | ACTION points at hans and shouts "Go web, go!" |
| 17:54.02 | vontrapp | ibot, no, web $who is (<action>points at $who and shouts "Go web, go!"|<action> forces $who to muster up a db backed, web fronted application for keeping track of lawns mowed) |
| 17:54.03 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 17:54.08 | vontrapp | ~web hans |
| 17:54.11 | ibot | <action>points at hans and shouts "Go web, go!" |
| 17:54.22 | vontrapp | ibot, no, web $who is <action>points at $who and shouts "Go web, go!"|<action> forces $who to muster up a db backed, web fronted application for keeping track of lawns mowed |
| 17:54.23 | ibot | okay, vontrapp |
| 17:54.30 | vontrapp | ~web hans |
| 17:54.32 | ibot | ACTION points at hans and shouts "Go web, go!"|<action> forces hans to muster up a db backed, web fronted application for keeping track of lawns mowed |
| 17:54.38 | vontrapp | grr |
| 17:54.40 | lukfugl | heh |
| 17:54.41 | vontrapp | ~lart ibot |
| 17:54.43 | lukfugl | ~mock vontrapp |
| 17:54.45 | ibot | ACTION pulls vontrapp's pants down and shows the world vontrapp's pink spotted underwear |
| 17:55.15 | vontrapp | ibot, no, web $who is <action> forces $who to muster up a db backed, web fronted application for keeping track of lawns mowed |
| 17:55.17 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 17:56.10 | lukfugl | awww |
| 17:57.16 | lukfugl | ibot, web $who is also <action> points at $who, shouts "Go web, go!" and flexes its wrist |
| 17:57.19 | ibot | ACTION forces $who is also <action> points at $who, shouts "Go web, go!" and flexes its wrist to muster up a db backed, web fronted application for keeping track of lawns mowed |
| 17:57.25 | lukfugl | doh |
| 17:57.45 | vontrapp | really, though, everytime i use a group by i want a whole row for each unique grouped value, not just each unique grouped value |
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| 17:59.52 | ECS | Is there a file where envrionment variables are stored |
| 18:00.05 | vontrapp | ECS: no |
| 18:00.27 | ECS | for some reason the set command on OS X 10.2 server does funky things |
| 18:00.27 | Maquis | /proc/$PID/environ has the environment vars for a particular process |
| 18:00.37 | vontrapp | each process has it's own environment variables |
| 18:00.44 | Maquis | or you can run env |
| 18:00.57 | lukfugl | I was just about to ask why there wasn't something like what Maquis just mentioned |
| 18:01.06 | vontrapp | stored in memory, but, like Maquis said, a 'special' file that maps to a process certain memories... |
| 18:01.55 | Maquis | env does list all the ones that are set outside of the process, though |
| 18:02.03 | ECS | I need to set JAVA_HOME for tomcat and it's throwing in a bunch of extra grabage |
| 18:02.19 | Maquis | echo $JAVA_HOME |
| 18:02.29 | Maquis | or env | grep JAVA |
| 18:02.41 | findlay | cool, you learn something every day |
| 18:04.39 | vontrapp | a _large_ percentage of cambodian words have subconsonants, and subconsonants don't work in unicode font implementations!! </rant> |
| 18:05.04 | vontrapp | i'd say like 70%-80% |
| 18:05.39 | Maquis | vontrapp: how long ago did you get home from cambodia? |
| 18:05.50 | vontrapp | 2 years + 1 month or so |
| 18:05.58 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 18:06.09 | Maquis | ok... so, like 3 months before my friend got there... :) |
| 18:06.26 | Maquis | (he gets home this summer) |
| 18:06.39 | Maquis | oh... |
| 18:06.51 | Maquis | then you probably don't know him :) |
| 18:07.01 | Maquis | that's cool though |
| 18:07.06 | Maquis | he loves the language... |
| 18:07.17 | vontrapp | yeah, it's awesome |
| 18:07.32 | Maquis | :) |
| 18:08.04 | Maquis | he spoke quite a bit of chinese and spanish going in, so it was funny that he got called cambodian speaking |
| 18:08.21 | Maquis | but then again, i had a friend who spoke chinese, spanish and thai who got called russian-speaking :) |
| 18:08.55 | vontrapp | my mtc companion new spanish pretty well, and always complained how it confused him trying to learn cambodian - spanish words would always present themselves when trying to conjure a cambodian word |
| 18:09.37 | Maquis | i have that problem with chinese and spanish... i can't speak spanish any more because chinese words come up too quickly... |
| 18:09.48 | vontrapp | needed a better language hashing function i guess |
| 18:09.51 | Maquis | he probably had the problem go away after a bit though... |
| 18:10.15 | Maquis | i've found that if i speak spanish for a while, or hear spanish a lot for a while, it takes over... |
| 18:11.36 | vontrapp | some say that it's easy to learn more languages once you know two, i would say it's easy after you know three well, when your brain learns to seperate each language rather than just native/other |
| 18:15.09 | lukfugl | I'd say the effort to learn language n+1 is proportional to 1/x^m |
| 18:15.30 | lukfugl | err, 1/n^m |
| 18:16.36 | lukfugl | the first few languages make a drastic difference in each subsequent language, and although even the 11th language is easier than the 10th, the difference is negligible by that point |
| 18:18.04 | lukfugl | or maybe ae^(-qx) would be a better approximator, since the effort to learn the first language (native) isn't infinite :) |
| 18:18.32 | vontrapp | what is m? (^m) |
| 18:18.55 | lukfugl | some constant. That is, I don't know if it's 1/x, or 1/x^2 or 1/x^0.72 |
| 18:19.09 | vontrapp | ic |
| 18:19.10 | lukfugl | but it is inverse, i.e. of the 1/x^m family |
| 18:19.29 | lukfugl | q serves the same purpose. The a is problaby redundant |
| 18:20.09 | lukfugl | since we're saying proportional (or more accurately, big theta) |
| 18:20.51 | lukfugl | theta was the tight (both upper and lower) bound, right? |
| 18:22.09 | vontrapp | i found phi Ø |
| 18:22.15 | vontrapp | can't find theta ... |
| 18:24.06 | lukfugl | don't remember there being a phi |
| 18:24.34 | vontrapp | i was looking for theta on the keyboard, and only found ø |
| 18:36.47 | vontrapp | hey, that WITH ROLLUP thing as of mysql 4.1.1 is pretty cool |
| 18:41.55 | hans | anyone else having trouble with the flash plugin in firefox 1.0.2? |
| 18:44.03 | vontrapp | since 1.0.1 |
| 18:44.10 | vontrapp | what kind of problems? |
| 18:44.31 | hans | nothing working problems |
| 18:45.18 | hans | running macromedia's install by hand seems to have worked |
| 18:46.13 | vontrapp | oh, my problems are the sound _always_ gets behind |
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| 18:46.50 | vontrapp | and if there's any flash object inside a table element, it only shows the first 1/3 horizontally |
| 18:47.09 | lukfugl | for me: nothing working |
| 18:47.19 | lukfugl | even after running the install be hand |
| 18:47.43 | hans | might try removing all the libflash* from the various mozilla/firefox directories and tryingt he by-hand install again. |
| 18:52.14 | Uncle_Jesse | wow - I don't think I've ever seen Paul Seamons on the PLUG list before |
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| 19:00.34 | hans | heh, interesting |
| 19:00.37 | hans | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=washington+DC&ll=38.889831,-77.008967&spn=0.005482,0.007896&t=k&hl=en |
| 19:02.17 | Uncle_Jesse | if you play with google sightings there's a lot of cool stuff there |
| 19:02.18 | lukfugl | no peekie |
| 19:03.20 | Maquis | ADODB.Recordset error '800a0bcd' |
| 19:03.21 | Maquis | Either BOF or EOF is True, or the current record has been deleted. Requested operation requires a current record. |
| 19:03.23 | Maquis | /listings/byuradiosmall.asp, line 104 |
| 19:03.25 | Maquis | interesting... |
| 19:03.28 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.17 | lukfugl | I hadn't realized how long that stretch of grass between the whitehouse and the washington monument |
| 19:04.20 | lukfugl | was |
| 19:04.47 | Uncle_Jesse | It doesn't seem so large when you're on it |
| 19:04.58 | hans | it's not a stretch of grass, you insensitive clod! it's a mall |
| 19:05.00 | Uncle_Jesse | But your feet sure feel it |
| 19:05.07 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: sorry |
| 19:05.39 | lukfugl | hans: I was trying to remember the name, but 'gallery' kept coming to mind instead of 'mall' |
| 19:05.49 | lukfugl | I knew gallery wasn't right, so I just called it the grass thingie :) |
| 19:08.14 | vontrapp | no way! real satellite pictures on google maps! |
| 19:08.25 | vontrapp | this just keeps getting cooler |
| 19:08.45 | hans | you can see the twin mimosa towers |
| 19:08.48 | lukfugl | vontrapp: that's so, like, last week |
| 19:08.55 | hans | although google's idea of where number 28 is is a bit off. |
| 19:09.03 | vontrapp | hmm, so you go find a place on google maps, click on "link to this page" and add &t=k to the query string |
| 19:09.57 | hans | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=28+mimosa+road,santa+fe,+nm&ll=35.541138,-105.945445&spn=0.006266,0.007725&t=k&hl=en |
| 19:10.00 | hans | home sweet home |
| 19:10.06 | vontrapp | hans, those towers to the entrance into el dorado? |
| 19:10.11 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone see the oprah corn field? |
| 19:10.29 | lukfugl | vontrapp: 26 and 28 mimosa road |
| 19:10.34 | hans | vontrapp: no, that's what they used to call our house and the Ulbrich's house |
| 19:10.51 | hans | cuz going north on compadres they're both so prominent |
| 19:10.53 | lukfugl | "they" being us :) |
| 19:11.11 | Uncle_Jesse | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=queen+creek,az&ll=33.2256817817688,-111.59563422203064&spn=0.0060617923736572266,0.009183883666992188&t=k&hl=en |
| 19:11.12 | hans | no, "they" being others in el dorado, even that didn't know us. |
| 19:11.29 | lukfugl | hans: I never heard any one else say it, but I'll take your word for it |
| 19:11.40 | hans | we got it from kurt, he got it from HS |
| 19:11.55 | hans | wasn't exactly universal, but yeah |
| 19:12.50 | hans | how long does it take to walk 5 miles? |
| 19:13.05 | hans | or, perhaps a better question, how fast do people walk? |
| 19:13.17 | lukfugl | I generally average about 4-5 mph when walking, or 12-15 minutes per mile |
| 19:13.38 | lukfugl | so about an hour to an hour and a half for 5 miles |
| 19:14.10 | vontrapp | hmm, google placed the address wrong |
| 19:14.31 | lukfugl | yeah |
| 19:14.38 | lukfugl | orient yourself from the storage sheds |
| 19:14.55 | hans | that link puts our house on the lower-right corner |
| 19:14.58 | vontrapp | i just looked at how mimosa curved |
| 19:18.42 | lukfugl | *sigh* |
| 19:18.57 | lukfugl | I just followed the bike trail along the railroad tracks |
| 19:23.01 | hans | I could just kick them all out |
| 19:23.34 | vontrapp | ~kick non-Fugals |
| 19:23.36 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 19:24.00 | vontrapp | lukfugl: i followed the roads all the way up to the ski basin |
| 19:42.05 | vontrapp | ~convert 8211 hex |
| 19:42.45 | xilch | hey ibot - this is a no-offending channel |
| 19:42.48 | hans | vontrapp: what's wrong? can't read your palm hp48g emulator? |
| 19:43.29 | vontrapp | using a calculator to convert dec to hex is cumbersome, and i don't have my palm with me |
| 19:44.07 | hans | I reiterate my lament for a decent command-line cs tool that would do things like convert from binary to hex and hex to decimal and so forth |
| 19:44.58 | vontrapp | cs? |
| 19:45.02 | hans | computer science |
| 19:45.07 | hans | you know, that thing you are majoring in |
| 19:45.10 | vontrapp | ok, wasn't sure |
| 19:45.22 | hans | ~tease xilch |
| 19:45.24 | ibot | ACTION tickles xilch with a feather and makes xilch rotflmaopimp-ing |
| 19:46.25 | vontrapp | hmm, ruby has no to_hex|to_binary methods on Fixnum, how dissapointing |
| 19:47.36 | vontrapp | ah, but String does have a hex method :) |
| 19:47.50 | hans | but is that the ascii hex values? |
| 19:47.57 | Maquis | GAH! |
| 19:48.14 | hans | Maquis: what is wrong? it's reading day right? |
| 19:48.30 | Maquis | hans: /me dying in class |
| 19:48.42 | vontrapp | ah man, it converts the wrong way |
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| 20:06.49 | goozbach | it's sad that the extent of my internet access is sitting in the airport waiting for my flight. |
| 20:18.46 | lukfugl | only 45, Uncle_Jesse? |
| 20:19.21 | jsmith | lukfugl: He's in Virginia... |
| 20:25.14 | Uncle_Jesse | jsmith: thanks |
| 20:25.32 | Uncle_Jesse | actually, it's 35 now |
| 20:33.09 | bucky | goozbach: you mean the only time you get to freely surf the internet is when you're waiting for a flight? |
| 20:34.59 | goozbach | yeah, i had no access in my hotel nor my training center for the last two weeks |
| 20:35.17 | bucky | that should be against the law |
| 20:35.28 | goozbach | there's an open ap here at the terminal though |
| 20:35.33 | Uncle_Jesse | goozbach: no wireless? |
| 20:35.47 | Uncle_Jesse | training center didn't have access? |
| 20:35.53 | goozbach | nope |
| 20:35.56 | bucky | goozbach, which terminal? slc ? |
| 20:36.04 | goozbach | I'm teaching an onsite course |
| 20:36.11 | goozbach | at an army base |
| 20:36.19 | goozbach | DISA to be exact |
| 20:36.43 | goozbach | they don't allow any outbound access. |
| 20:36.55 | goozbach | the classroom is completely isolated |
| 20:37.46 | bucky | pretty high security |
| 20:44.59 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - makes sense |
| 20:45.57 | bucky | you know how people go insane when kept in solitary confinment with no interacition with other people? |
| 20:46.11 | bucky | that's what happens to me when i don't have the internet |
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| 20:49.23 | bucky | lol |
| 20:49.37 | goozbach | bba bo to to tos als bsf |
| 20:49.44 | bucky | okies |
| 21:06.11 | Maquis | goo!!!! |
| 21:07.27 | Maquis | :( |
| 21:08.09 | hans | goozbach: so is the pain over now then? |
| 21:08.16 | hans | or do you go back next week? |
| 21:10.02 | Maquis | goo???? |
| 21:12.30 | jsmith | hans: I can't do that here... :-( |
| 21:13.03 | hans | it wasn't even hard. just downloading two isos from independent sources simultaneously |
| 21:13.45 | Maquis | hans: nice |
| 21:14.08 | hans | well, that and I guess I have been doing a net install on another computer at the same time. |
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| 21:15.18 | hans | 1.500Mbps - that's fast dsl speed, right? |
| 21:15.22 | Maquis | I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS PROJECT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:15.52 | hans | Maquis: then don't. |
| 21:16.36 | Maquis | hans: i want to pass this class, though |
| 21:16.54 | hans | oh, complications. |
| 21:18.08 | hagna | hmmm so it's not a cs404 project I bet |
| 21:18.15 | hagna | or 440 |
| 21:18.19 | hagna | how do the numbers work? |
| 21:20.49 | hans | hagna: that's a pretty big question. I suggest a math class. |
| 21:21.19 | lukfugl | mmm, number theory |
| 21:21.30 | hans | lukfugl will do in a pinch. |
| 21:22.56 | Maquis | hans: nope... cs345 |
| 21:25.21 | hagna | hans: that's a pretty broad suggestion. I suggest aligators. |
| 21:27.41 | bucky | Operating System Concepts ? |
| 21:27.56 | Maquis | bucky: Operating Systems... |
| 21:28.07 | bucky | Labs should be written in C++ for Linux ? |
| 21:28.46 | Maquis | bucky: nope... C |
| 21:28.53 | Maquis | and you can do windoze or linux |
| 21:29.12 | bucky | which are you using win or lin ? |
| 21:29.16 | Maquis | actually, i'd say most of the class is doing it in windoze... |
| 21:29.28 | Maquis | seeing as i don't have windoze, i'm doing it in linux |
| 21:29.37 | bucky | any gui proggies in the labs? |
| 21:29.45 | Maquis | ??? |
| 21:29.56 | bucky | gtk ? |
| 21:30.05 | Maquis | oh... no |
| 21:30.10 | bucky | or just command line programs? |
| 21:30.11 | Maquis | everything's command-line |
| 21:30.21 | Maquis | i need to have the FAT-12 filesystem working tonight |
| 21:30.25 | Maquis | and it's not working |
| 21:31.09 | vontrapp | ah, who cares if it looses a few fats here or there... |
| 21:31.28 | bucky | usually fat 12 isn't built into the kernel is it? |
| 21:32.39 | Maquis | bucky: dunno |
| 21:32.42 | dataw0lf|w | just fyi, if you guys hadn't seen it yet, http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6863 |
| 21:35.34 | bucky | how trendy! |
| 21:37.46 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 21:37.50 | bucky | Maquis, modprobe fat |
| 21:38.04 | Maquis | bucky: wish that would work for this |
| 21:38.13 | Maquis | so, i was just trying something to get rename working |
| 21:38.15 | bucky | is it a lab / |
| 21:38.22 | Maquis | bucky: yeah |
| 21:38.43 | Maquis | so, i was just trying to get rename working... |
| 21:38.45 | bucky | i usually use mtools for fat12 |
| 21:38.50 | Maquis | and when i wrote the sector back... |
| 21:39.14 | Maquis | i overwrote the directory sector with part of a file, i think |
| 21:39.34 | bucky | ic |
| 21:40.12 | bucky | Maquis, do you have a homework team mate? |
| 21:40.34 | Maquis | bucky: nope |
| 21:40.38 | Maquis | individual projects |
| 21:40.48 | hans | wow, linux on tv |
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| 21:41.28 | bucky | MS-DOS? FAT File System 1 |
| 21:41.38 | bucky | is that the lab you're on Maquis ? |
| 21:41.50 | bucky | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs345ta/labs/winter05_specs/lab_fat1.htm |
| 21:42.42 | Maquis | bucky: FAT File system 2 |
| 21:43.05 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 21:43.08 | Maquis | oh... |
| 21:43.14 | Maquis | that's the other section with the other prof |
| 21:44.46 | scott | anyone know of an especially stellar looking resume template? |
| 21:44.54 | bucky | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs345ta/labs/winter05_specs/lab_fat2.htm |
| 21:45.02 | bucky | how about that one Maquis |
| 21:47.57 | Maquis | bucky: a bit different |
| 21:48.15 | Maquis | different profs have different projects |
| 21:50.18 | hans | any bandwidth experts here? |
| 21:51.45 | bucky | http://students.cs.byu.edu/~cs345ta/labs/winter04_specs/lab_fat_help.htm |
| 21:51.54 | bucky | Maquis, there's a help index |
| 21:54.12 | Maquis | bucky: none of my section's things are available online... they're on blackboard only... :( |
| 21:54.24 | bucky | ic |
| 21:54.36 | Maquis | yeah |
| 21:54.39 | hans | so it looks like a T1 is 1.5Mbps and DSL these days is also 1.5Mbps down |
| 21:54.49 | Maquis | tis a rough class... |
| 21:54.50 | hans | so they're the same speed (down)? |
| 21:55.02 | Maquis | oops... |
| 21:55.09 | Maquis | i was going to go sell back some books today |
| 21:55.11 | Maquis | oh well...i |
| 21:55.16 | Maquis | i'll do it tomorrow |
| 21:55.17 | hans | aren't T1s a heckuvalot more expensive though? what's the deal with that? |
| 21:55.55 | shadoi | hans: gauranteed uptime and bandwidth... DSL is not gauranteed to run at full 1.5Mbps all the time. |
| 21:56.13 | bucky | Maquis, if everyone in the class is using ms i wouldn't hurt if you did too |
| 21:56.24 | shadoi | hans: this was discussed in detail on the list a few weeks ago. |
| 21:58.02 | Maquis | bucky: i'm more productive on linux |
| 21:58.15 | Maquis | and they've had some weird problems with LCC and such... |
| 21:58.20 | Maquis | i can't use windows worth anything |
| 21:58.32 | Maquis | my roommates ask for help on their computers, and i don't know how to help them... |
| 21:58.49 | bucky | because that whole naming thing in dos is handled by a dll and it has contractions for long filenames |
| 21:59.02 | Maquis | bucky: yes... but we're not allowed to use that |
| 21:59.05 | shadoi | bucky: contractions? |
| 21:59.05 | bucky | mtools emulates this pretty well however |
| 21:59.07 | Maquis | we have to do it all ourselves |
| 21:59.15 | Maquis | we can't use any outside things like that |
| 21:59.31 | bucky | because filenames can only be 16 bit long.. i think |
| 21:59.33 | Maquis | i mean, sure... i could just mount the filesystem in linux and use it that way... |
| 21:59.53 | bucky | maybe only 12 in fat12 |
| 21:59.53 | lukfugl | bucky: she's *implementing* FAT12, that's the lab |
| 22:00.00 | lukfugl | she can't use an existing DLL |
| 22:00.07 | lukfugl | or so |
| 22:00.08 | Maquis | exactly |
| 22:00.09 | shadoi | oh fun... the floppy filesystem. |
| 22:00.15 | Maquis | shadoi: yeah |
| 22:00.34 | bucky | lukfugl, did you take cs345 ? |
| 22:00.41 | lukfugl | bucky: yes |
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| 22:00.53 | Maquis | the nice thing is, if i'm curious what it's *supposed* to do, i can just mount the file on linux and see how it works with that |
| 22:01.00 | brailsmt | could someone send an email to brailsmt@yahoo.com? just a dummy test one... |
| 22:01.02 | bucky | well there you go Maquis... lukfugl can help you :) |
| 22:01.04 | Maquis | the windoze people can't do anything like that when they're confused |
| 22:01.10 | bonez39 | is it just me or is freenode particularly difficult to connect to today? |
| 22:01.42 | jsmith | bonez39: Seems to work for me. |
| 22:01.54 | bucky | bonez39, maybe it's the arp poisoned infested windows nameserver that comcast implements |
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| 22:02.43 | shadoi | bonez39: I've been connected since the 11th. hehe |
| 22:02.50 | bucky | scuse me.. does xmission run M$ nameservers? |
| 22:03.00 | bucky | only bind9 is safe anymore |
| 22:03.35 | Maquis | stupid network-outage |
| 22:03.39 | bonez39 | comcast, eh? I am connecting through Qwest/xmission here... |
| 22:03.53 | dataw0lf|w | I don't think xmission runs much of anything on MS. |
| 22:03.59 | brailsmt | thx |
| 22:04.07 | brailsmt | for the dummy email |
| 22:04.14 | brailsmt | i'm off... |
| 22:04.21 | brailsmt | to see the wizard... |
| 22:04.29 | brailsmt | soon i won't be in Kansas anymore... |
| 22:04.35 | brailsmt | literally... |
| 22:04.39 | brailsmt | :D |
| 22:05.19 | vontrapp | oh, the wizard of MO |
| 22:05.29 | vontrapp | he's off to see |
| 22:05.59 | bucky | mark hacking is getting married again! |
| 22:06.12 | bucky | figures he'll take another shot at it |
| 22:06.26 | vontrapp | who's the retarded girl? |
| 22:06.34 | brailsmt | isn't hacking in jail, and going to be for a long time? |
| 22:06.47 | Maquis | bucky: wait... ummm... some girl is *that* stupid? |
| 22:08.06 | vontrapp | it's great feeding mind numbing propoganda into fake hieroglyph readers |
| 22:08.49 | brailsmt | dang you crazyheads... |
| 22:08.59 | h|barbobot | do you mean the book of mormon |
| 22:09.51 | vontrapp | book of mormon? no, i couldn't write that, it's far too involved |
| 22:10.06 | vontrapp | it'd be impossible |
| 22:11.07 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 22:11.09 | bucky | neither could smith apparently.. the first edition had to be edited to correct an error of a king being dead from a previous portion of the book |
| 22:11.30 | dataw0lf|w | along with numerous grammatical errors. |
| 22:11.47 | Maquis | so, i still haven't gotten rename working, but i did just accidentally implement ln -s |
| 22:11.47 | bucky | was mark hacking really adopted ? |
| 22:12.19 | bucky | yay Maquis |
| 22:12.28 | vontrapp | well, it's not like they had computers and grammar checkers, a work that size written out by hand is bound to have _some_ errors |
| 22:12.49 | dataw0lf|w | eh. |
| 22:12.50 | vontrapp | FAT12 has ln -s? |
| 22:13.01 | Maquis | vontrapp: well, actually, i think it's just ln |
| 22:13.02 | dataw0lf|w | I thought it was transcribed word for word by Smith. |
| 22:13.06 | Maquis | but yeah... my version does |
| 22:13.07 | Maquis | :) |
| 22:13.19 | Maquis | i try to rename readme.txt to foo.txt |
| 22:13.21 | vontrapp | transcribed with a layer of translation |
| 22:13.28 | vontrapp | s/with/through |
| 22:13.34 | Maquis | and i end up with readme.txt and foo.txt both pointing to the same entry in the fat table |
| 22:13.46 | vontrapp | ah yes, a regular ln |
| 22:14.03 | dataw0lf|w | vontrapp: I thought his magic crystal or whatever automagickally translated it for him? |
| 22:14.40 | vontrapp | i don't know exactly how it all worked, but i know there was inspiration involved |
| 22:14.57 | dataw0lf|w | Ah, hehe, ok. |
| 22:15.08 | dataw0lf|w | I'm pretty sure there was alot of inspiration involved. |
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| 22:17.56 | bucky | heya, dataw0lf|w |
| 22:18.07 | vontrapp | plus most of it was translated and written by a scribe as dictated - that's bound to produce errors |
| 22:19.01 | bucky | you guys wouldn't happen to be keeping an eye on the caldera in yellowstone would you? |
| 22:19.48 | Jayce^ | bucky, been watching that discovery channel special? |
| 22:20.02 | bucky | i've seen it twice now |
| 22:20.18 | bucky | there's a good transcript online for it too |
| 22:21.17 | bucky | that geologist smith from the U found the north end of the lake was 29 inches high than from the previous survey |
| 22:21.28 | JoshH | what exactly happened to the original plates? |
| 22:21.31 | bucky | s/high/higher |
| 22:22.01 | bucky | JoshH, they got melted down to cover the paper money they were printing |
| 22:22.22 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: aerial photography of it? |
| 22:22.32 | bucky | yeppers |
| 22:23.02 | dataw0lf|w | I'll check. |
| 22:23.11 | bucky | let me find the link |
| 22:24.54 | bucky | http://exodus2006.com/transcript.htm |
| 22:25.04 | bucky | here's a transcript.. there are others |
| 22:25.43 | dataw0lf|w | bucky: I don't think we got anything on Yellowstone. |
| 22:26.06 | bucky | i just wondered how many people are watching it |
| 22:28.00 | bucky | i saw the show on pbs and the scary part is that the magma is like a carbonated soda except it's carbonated with poisonous gases like h2s and co |
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| 22:38.25 | levi | Heh, one of those fatlab links has sjansen's fatmanager on it. |
| 22:39.35 | bucky | ~seen sjansen |
| 22:39.41 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 22h 21m 14s ago, saying: '~boo emacs'. |
| 22:40.06 | levi | Heh. That was in response to me, too. |
| 22:40.18 | bucky | lol |
| 22:40.40 | bucky | he'll be happy to know that bricolage now supports php |
| 22:40.41 | bucky | http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/62/3926.html |
| 22:44.19 | levi | php and perl together. What a wonderful combination! |
| 22:46.12 | bucky | lol |
| 22:48.40 | Jayce^ | levi, basically people using a perl based CMS app wanted to be able to let their designers use PHP for the stuff it generated |
| 22:50.17 | jsmith | Is that some kind of a belated April Fool's joke? |
| 22:50.59 | bucky | i don't have a subscription to salon.com so i don't know what the content is like but i think they just have several staff writers that post their stories to the site |
| 22:51.48 | bucky | now vibe and spin use it.. i wonder if they're owned by the same company |
| 22:52.57 | bucky | only thing i found out on vibe was that nelly was selling his Pimp Juice Cruiser on ebay |
| 22:54.58 | Maquis | the fact that her roommate never closes the stupid door |
| 22:55.05 | Maquis | i've asked her every time she comes in to close the door |
| 22:55.26 | Maquis | she comes in, closes the door because i asked her, grabs one thing, then leaves the room with the door open |
| 22:55.56 | Maquis | this has happened at least 9 or 10 times today |
| 22:56.14 | hagna | maybe she has other things on her mind |
| 22:56.18 | hagna | like inhaling and exhaling |
| 22:56.33 | bucky | just yell at her "Where you raised in a barn!?!" that's what my dad always did |
| 22:56.59 | hagna | do you close the door now? |
| 22:57.14 | bucky | of course |
| 22:57.23 | bucky | if you turn it on turn it off |
| 22:57.24 | hagna | well sounds like a plan then |
| 22:57.33 | bucky | if you open it you close it |
| 22:57.56 | Maquis | hagna: i've been getting up and closing the door each time because it's loud outside my room |
| 22:57.57 | hagna | if you put it in gear you take it out of gear |
| 22:58.52 | bucky | focus on the positive.. if that's the only bad habit she has maybe you're lucky |
| 23:00.40 | Maquis | bucky: good point... but right now i'm not in the mood |
| 23:00.43 | bucky | at least she doesn't fart all night... right? |
| 23:00.57 | bucky | i mean it could be worse |
| 23:01.19 | hagna | uh do roomates sleep together now? |
| 23:01.48 | bucky | don't take me there |
| 23:01.50 | hagna | I mean how else would farting be an uissue |
| 23:02.03 | bucky | that's why my wife left me |
| 23:02.43 | hagna | lol |
| 23:02.48 | hagna | uh I mean sorry |
| 23:02.56 | hagna | you should have poisoned her |
| 23:03.04 | hagna | I mean |
| 23:03.48 | hagna | so long #utah |
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| 23:20.32 | levi | Jayce^: I gathered that. Sounds like the PHP interpreter is getting embedded in the perl binary? That makes more sense than a php interpreter written in perl. |
| 23:21.25 | levi | But hey, someone's paying them to do it. I'd do crazy crap like that if someone paid me, too. |
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| 23:26.57 | sjansen | levi: don't suppose you know of anything that let's me write lisp that gets translated to XSLT? |
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| 23:38.58 | sjansen | http://www.naggum.no/worse-is-better.html |
| 23:39.40 | mheath | I'm going to start filming the thing I've mentioned in here several times next week |
| 23:39.43 | mheath | Should be interesting |
| 23:42.32 | levi | sjansen: I don't think so. From my understanding, XSLT is purely functional, and Lisp is not, so it'd be a subset of lisp that generates XSLT. |
| 23:42.43 | sjansen | of course |
| 23:42.50 | levi | sjansen: Basically XSLT with parens. |
| 23:42.58 | sjansen | I just don't want to type all the brackets. |
| 23:43.26 | sjansen | Terse toe nail clippings are much less disgusting than XSLT. |
| 23:43.27 | levi | It would not be terribly difficult to write. Just a set of macros. Perhaps one of the lisp XML libraries will work for you. |
| 23:45.25 | sjansen | "The MIT guy then muttered that sometimes it takes a tough man to make a tender chicken, but the New Jersey guy didn't understand (I'm not sure I do either)." |
| 23:45.51 | levi | I've heard that before, but I don't remember where. |
| 23:46.36 | sjansen | the paper I just linked |
| 23:48.26 | levi | Here's a page of XML and Scheme info: http://okmij.org/ftp/Scheme/xml.html |
| 23:57.52 | levi | You might find other stuff on www.cliki.net |
| 23:57.55 | levi | Time to head home. |