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| 00:16.04 | emcnabb | I'm trying Irssi out for the first time |
| 00:16.21 | emcnabb | the network connection in this hotel stinks |
| 00:16.36 | emcnabb | linode + screen + irssi should help |
| 00:17.08 | Newsome | linode++ |
| 00:17.30 | emcnabb | Newsome: I might be coming down to campus next week |
| 00:17.35 | emcnabb | I'll stop by if I do |
| 00:19.11 | Newsome | beginning or end of the week? |
| 00:19.31 | emcnabb | end; graduation time |
| 00:20.01 | Newsome | okay |
| 00:20.09 | Newsome | I might not be around :) |
| 00:20.21 | emcnabb | that's a good time to leave campus |
| 00:20.43 | Newsome | Gotta go get rid of my Mother-in-law at someone else's house. |
| 00:20.53 | emcnabb | haha |
| 00:21.31 | Newsome | so, we're taking her to Elizabeth's brother's house in Iowa (one of the drive-through states between here and Civilization) |
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| 00:27.57 | emcnabb | irssi is much more similar to xchat than I had expected |
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| 02:10.20 | scott | hey guys, I have this problem that every once in a while (about twice an dhour or so, I'm not sure) my irssi window will get messed up just showing one line of text or something. it happened on epic also so I know it's not irssi's fault. I'm running it inside of screen and gnome-terminal. when it messes up I have to go to the next screen and then come back, so it can redraw correctly. any ideas? |
| 02:14.49 | byronc | may want to try ctrl-l |
| 02:15.13 | scott | you mean when it messes up? |
| 02:15.44 | byronc | yep |
| 02:16.05 | scott | yeah, I think that would fix it. I'm trying to figure out how to get it to not mess up |
| 02:16.28 | Maquis | scott: did you have another program that was running from the same screen and ended? or had a message? |
| 02:16.45 | Maquis | a background process or something? |
| 02:17.08 | scott | I don't think so, I almost never put processes in the background |
| 02:17.17 | Maquis | either in the same screen or in the terminal that you're running screen in... |
| 02:17.36 | scott | on another tab would be it |
| 02:17.41 | Maquis | for example, if i run xmms from the same terminal that i'm running screen in, if i quit xmms, my screen gets messed up |
| 02:17.48 | Maquis | hmmmm |
| 02:18.17 | scott | although I guess it's possible--I'll pay closer attention from now on |
| 02:34.22 | scott | anyone know if there is any advantage of an atheros a/b/g card over an intel 2200 b/g card, besides having a? I don't imagine I'd use an a network, afaik most are g or b |
| 02:38.20 | Maquis | does atheros have native linux support? |
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| 02:44.40 | scott | I'm not sure, don't think so |
| 02:49.08 | mrpull_ | i've got an atheros a/b/g in my laptop |
| 02:49.35 | mrpull_ | it works with ubuntu (but I needed to download non-free packages for it) |
| 02:49.55 | mrpull_ | they are included in the ubuntu repositories tho |
| 02:51.25 | byronc | Maquis: madwifi |
| 02:54.21 | dataw0lf | mrpull_: which pkgs? |
| 02:54.39 | mrpull_ | it slips me right now (the computer is out in my car) |
| 02:54.49 | mrpull_ | something like "linux-restricted" |
| 02:56.51 | mrpull_ | maybe restricted-modules ? |
| 02:58.44 | byronc | dataw0lf: probably linux-restricted-modes-2.6.10-5-{386,686,686-smp} |
| 02:59.07 | mrpull_ | that sounds right... i just searched for "restricted" in synaptic |
| 02:59.53 | mrpull_ | (maybe) obviously you should make sure the version matches your kernel version |
| 03:00.26 | byronc | or just linux-restricted-modules-{386,686,686-smp} |
| 03:04.12 | dataw0lf | ah. |
| 03:04.17 | dataw0lf | thought you were talking about something else. |
| 03:20.40 | Maquis | in case anyone was wondering, mutt doesn't appear to handle chinese characters :) |
| 03:26.04 | mrpull_ | 50% file fragmentation on my work HDD (NTFS) |
| 03:26.06 | mrpull_ | fun for me |
| 03:26.47 | fozz | Maquis: ??????????????? ??????????? ?????????? ?????????? ???????? ?????? ???????? |
| 03:29.46 | flyboy^ | for those of you looking for somehting to do, if you haven't looked here, check this place out: http://www.itconversations.com |
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| 03:34.55 | Maquis | fozz: exactly |
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| 03:42.30 | mheath | Oh, what FUN! Comcast connection that now cuts out randomly for hours at a time! |
| 03:42.40 | mrpull_ | ewwww |
| 03:42.43 | mrpull_ | what modem do you have? |
| 03:42.56 | mrpull_ | I complained about my comcast for some time before I realized it was a flakey modem |
| 03:43.05 | mrpull_ | comcast swapped it out for me tho |
| 03:43.15 | mrpull_ | now i'm back to dsl |
| 03:43.26 | mheath | It's comcast's fault |
| 03:43.29 | mheath | Not my modem |
| 03:43.43 | mheath | Last night their DNS servers went down |
| 03:43.48 | mheath | Tonight my entire service went down |
| 03:44.02 | mrpull_ | fun for you. |
| 03:44.31 | mheath | Anyone have a monitor they'd be willing to part with? |
| 03:44.40 | mrpull_ | what are you looking for? |
| 03:44.45 | mrpull_ | (monitor wise?) |
| 03:44.48 | mheath | Any VGA monitor. |
| 03:45.04 | mheath | Well, any cheap/free VGA monitor |
| 03:45.04 | mrpull_ | free or a little more? |
| 03:45.21 | mrpull_ | where are you located? |
| 03:45.28 | mheath | Ogden., |
| 03:45.43 | mheath | But I travel to farmington every weekend. |
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| 03:46.57 | mrpull_ | i've got three monitors downstairs of varying crappyness |
| 03:47.03 | mrpull_ | but i'm in utah county |
| 03:47.37 | mrpull_ | mheath... do you subscribe to slugg-members? |
| 03:47.49 | mheath | I'm working a lot on this Linux distro, but having trouble due to the fact that I currently have to switch the monitor from this box over to another to get any work rdone |
| 03:47.55 | mheath | mrpull_, no |
| 03:48.29 | mrpull_ | they are going to most likely start a for sell / trade list soon |
| 03:49.03 | mrpull_ | is RDP/VNC/Remote X unproductive? |
| 03:50.05 | mheath | mrpull, heh, don't have X built yet |
| 03:50.16 | mheath | Soon, though |
| 03:50.53 | mrpull_ | a kvm might be a good fit too. |
| 03:51.07 | mrpull_ | i've got one laying around.... what do you have to trade? |
| 03:52.29 | mheath | "kvm"? Not familar with that term off the top of my head |
| 03:52.42 | mrpull_ | Keyboar Video Mouse switch |
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| 03:53.02 | mheath | Ah, thats what I thought. Wasn't sure, though. Yeah, that would work nicely. Hmmm..... |
| 03:53.23 | mheath | I just gave a way/sold some stuff in the last couple of weeks. Don't have much in the same price range.... |
| 03:53.49 | mheath | I have a *slightly* old laserjet printer... |
| 03:54.24 | mheath | Would you be interested in that? |
| 03:54.37 | mrpull_ | what are the specs? |
| 03:54.45 | mheath | One sec. |
| 03:54.54 | mrpull_ | the kvm isn't worth more than 30 bucks w/ cables |
| 03:55.43 | mheath | Yeah, well, this printer is getting a little bit old. Still works nicely, but I'd be willing to part with it for a little less than it's worth |
| 03:55.54 | mheath | http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Document.jsp?objectID=bpl04055&locale=en_US |
| 03:56.04 | mheath | I have the 6MP |
| 03:56.22 | mheath | "Includes 3 MB RAM, HP PCL 6, Adobe® PostScript® Level-2 SIMM, one LocalTalk port, two fast ECP IEEE 1284-compliant parallel ports (one large B-type and one small C-type connector), one IrDA-compliant infrared port, one Microfine print cartridge, 250-sheet universal paper cassette, 100-sheet multipurpose tray, power cord, printer software for Macintosh and Windows, DOS Remote Control Panel software, and User’s Manual." |
| 03:56.57 | mrpull_ | no nic? |
| 03:57.09 | mrpull_ | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67271&item=5767380731&rd=1 |
| 03:57.43 | mrpull_ | nm that doesn't have cables |
| 03:57.58 | mheath | No, no nic |
| 03:58.10 | mrpull_ | you should be able to get a 2 port kvm with cables (a cheap one) for 25 bucks |
| 03:58.17 | mheath | I'll through in a PCI parallel port controller for free, though |
| 03:58.18 | mrpull_ | that's what i'd suggest |
| 03:58.20 | mheath | *throw |
| 03:58.37 | mrpull_ | heheh.... keep your gear man. |
| 03:59.26 | mrpull_ | i suggest you subscribe to slugg-members |
| 03:59.26 | mrpull_ | when (if) they start the for sale list, you'll be able to get anything you want for cheap / free |
| 03:59.33 | Maquis | mrpull_: how is sllug-members compared to plug, etc? do you know? |
| 03:59.40 | mrpull_ | a lot less traffic |
| 03:59.43 | mrpull_ | a lot more on topic |
| 04:00.01 | mrpull_ | no byu/lds rants |
| 04:00.08 | Maquis | hmmm... suppose those two things kind of go together |
| 04:00.14 | mrpull_ | a lot of thee same subscribers |
| 04:00.28 | Maquis | if they were on-topic, i'm sure that plug/uug would be significantly lower traffic... :) |
| 04:00.30 | mrpull_ | i like the "atmosphere" more, but the volume is quite low |
| 04:00.54 | Maquis | i kinda like some of the random off-topic discussions... they make it fun to read |
| 04:00.57 | mheath | mmmmm |
| 04:00.59 | mrpull_ | i'd imagine there are more professionals and fewer students on slugg too |
| 04:01.09 | Maquis | likely |
| 04:01.10 | mrpull_ | i'm not opposed to the tangent conversations |
| 04:01.21 | mrpull_ | i unsubbed from UUG tho |
| 04:01.29 | Maquis | :( |
| 04:01.31 | Maquis | why? |
| 04:01.41 | mrpull_ | the signal to noise ration wasn't good enough |
| 04:01.57 | Maquis | how recently did you jump ship from uug? |
| 04:02.30 | mrpull_ | not long ago.... during the great campainging flame wars of '05 :) |
| 04:02.56 | Maquis | mrpull_: i'm sorry... |
| 04:03.12 | mrpull_ | the "we should start a web forum" was really the thing that pushed me over the edge |
| 04:03.24 | mrpull_ | it is really kinda a silly reason.... |
| 04:03.36 | mrpull_ | just a lurker :) |
| 04:03.41 | Maquis | ah... |
| 04:03.55 | mrpull_ | i never attended BYU, but in the past I benefited from the discussions on the list |
| 04:04.07 | Maquis | it is a good list... |
| 04:04.15 | mrpull_ | yeah.... i may be back |
| 04:04.30 | mheath | Any windows programmers here familiar with C#? |
| 04:04.50 | mrpull_ | maybe i'm getting crusty in my old age (of 29) |
| 04:07.40 | mheath | Anyway, I'm off for the night. |
| 04:08.06 | mrpull_ | good luck mheath... |
| 04:08.28 | mheath | Got a big day tomorrow - hope to get my server setup and running tomorrow after school, get a lot of homework done, and get some work on DeskOS done |
| 04:10.19 | mrpull_ | maquis: I thought you were going to start going to PLUG |
| 04:10.30 | Maquis | mrpull_: i was... but i couldn't make it tonight |
| 04:10.34 | Maquis | i'm going to start in the fall |
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| 04:10.50 | Maquis | (i'm heading out for seattle in about 2 weeks) |
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| 04:11.15 | mrpull_ | what's in seattle for you? home? |
| 04:11.26 | Maquis | mrpull_: home and summer job |
| 04:11.35 | mrpull_ | back to the VB job? |
| 04:11.36 | Maquis | wow... this is the hardest rating i've ever done! |
| 04:11.41 | Maquis | mrpull_: nope!!!! |
| 04:11.45 | fishyfire | which class? |
| 04:11.51 | Maquis | fishyfire: chinese 112 |
| 04:11.55 | Maquis | the teacher doesn't speak english |
| 04:11.56 | fishyfire | hmm |
| 04:11.59 | fishyfire | oh |
| 04:12.00 | Maquis | and he doesn't have a syllabus |
| 04:12.06 | Maquis | and nobody knows how in the world the class is graded |
| 04:12.09 | Maquis | we had no tests |
| 04:12.28 | Maquis | and we covered less than half the material that the class is supposed to cover |
| 04:12.39 | Maquis | but he's the nicest teacher in the world |
| 04:12.43 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 04:12.49 | fishyfire | so can you understand him at all? |
| 04:12.56 | Maquis | me? not really |
| 04:12.59 | fishyfire | that does sound like a hard rating to give |
| 04:13.11 | Maquis | everyone else in the class was RMs... |
| 04:13.13 | fishyfire | guess you could include a bunch of coments |
| 04:13.19 | fishyfire | *comments |
| 04:13.27 | Maquis | well, the problem with the comments is that he won't understand any of them |
| 04:13.28 | fishyfire | hmm |
| 04:13.33 | fishyfire | oh |
| 04:13.44 | fishyfire | i guess that would be a problem |
| 04:13.45 | mrpull_ | holy cow. and you paid for this class? |
| 04:13.51 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 04:13.55 | Maquis | mrpull_: it was an interesting class |
| 04:14.02 | Maquis | my reading and writing did improve significantly |
| 04:14.07 | Maquis | (it's a reading/writing class) |
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| 04:22.08 | mrpull_ | wahoo... first batch of exhcange patches didn't break anything (yet) |
| 04:24.29 | mrpull_ | s/net/next/ |
| 04:24.33 | Maquis | double-crossing your fingers? |
| 04:24.35 | Maquis | doesn't that hurt? |
| 04:24.51 | mrpull_ | it hurts, but it is a good thing for windows admins |
| 04:25.20 | mrpull_ | wow. no reboot needed. |
| 04:25.29 | Maquis | mrpull_: reboot anyways |
| 04:25.37 | mrpull_ | i'm about 10/40/50 hp-ux/linux/windows |
| 04:25.40 | mrpull_ | i like the mix |
| 04:25.53 | mrpull_ | i'm still going to reboot for good measure :) |
| 04:26.02 | mrpull_ | (but really have some OS patches that need the reboot) |
| 04:26.04 | Maquis | fishyfire: how do you answer whether a non-LDS prof brought Gospel insights into the class? |
| 04:26.16 | Maquis | mrpull_: always reboot |
| 04:26.19 | Maquis | regardles |
| 04:26.20 | Maquis | s |
| 04:26.45 | fishyfire | ummm |
| 04:27.00 | fishyfire | was he uplifting? |
| 04:27.14 | Maquis | i don't know |
| 04:27.28 | fishyfire | i guess that is hard to know if you can't understand him |
| 04:27.33 | Maquis | yeah |
| 04:27.39 | Maquis | i mean, he was nice and encouraging... |
| 04:27.40 | fishyfire | kind of agree? |
| 04:27.44 | Maquis | so, i guess that kind of counts |
| 04:27.47 | Maquis | yeah.. |
| 04:28.03 | fishyfire | how did you learn anything if you couldn't understand him? |
| 04:28.03 | Maquis | i think i'm putting "somewhat agree" for all the things that i think don't quite apply in this class... |
| 04:28.17 | Maquis | he was really good with hand signals, and drawing pictures, and such |
| 04:28.23 | fishyfire | hmm |
| 04:28.28 | fishyfire | wow |
| 04:28.31 | Maquis | and sometimes, if it was important, i'd ask one of the RMs |
| 04:28.31 | mrpull_ | be rough on him |
| 04:28.38 | Maquis | but... he's a good prof |
| 04:28.48 | Maquis | and the class is appropriate for RMs |
| 04:28.54 | mrpull_ | how do you get better profs if you don't give them accurate comments |
| 04:29.02 | mrpull_ | ? |
| 04:29.14 | mrpull_ | or how does he improve if he doesn't know his weak points |
| 04:29.15 | mrpull_ | ? |
| 04:29.52 | Maquis | > 90% of the people taking the class are RMs... i think i'll make a comment in the comments section that i think that the class is well-suited for RMs, but that non-RMs will have a hard time because it's all in chinese... |
| 04:35.03 | Maquis | LeviHome: ??? |
| 04:35.43 | LeviHome | I had to tear up more carpet. It made me frustrated. |
| 04:36.09 | LeviHome | A combination of that and the... |
| 04:36.17 | LeviHome | tamales. |
| 04:36.18 | Maquis | the fact that you had to tear up carpet, or the process of tearing it up? |
| 04:36.21 | findlay | real 444m24.596s |
| 04:36.21 | LeviHome | That's what they're called. |
| 04:36.27 | Maquis | mmmm....... tamales... |
| 04:36.30 | findlay | not too bad |
| 04:36.35 | Maquis | sweet? beef? chicken??? |
| 04:36.40 | LeviHome | Chicken |
| 04:36.45 | Maquis | ah... |
| 04:36.50 | LeviHome | They were from costco, I think. |
| 04:36.54 | Maquis | ah... |
| 04:37.06 | LeviHome | Anyway, I have a bit of indigestion. |
| 04:37.26 | Maquis | i've never actually had chicken tamales, actually |
| 04:37.34 | Maquis | just sweet and beef (with olives) |
| 04:37.46 | Maquis | my nana makes really good tamales from scratch |
| 04:38.13 | LeviHome | They tasted pretty good. |
| 04:38.32 | LeviHome | I would be happy with them if my stomach wasn't bubbling now. |
| 04:38.37 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:39.40 | LeviHome | A guy who was interviewing at work brought in a gadget he managed the design of at his last job. |
| 04:39.51 | LeviHome | It was for running a feeding tube. |
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| 04:40.18 | LeviHome | You could get a 'button' thing that goes straight to your stomach, and use one of these gadgets to continuously feed you. |
| 04:40.33 | Maquis | thats cool |
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| 04:40.48 | LeviHome | Well, it's really for people who have medical conditions preventing them from eating normally. |
| 04:41.04 | LeviHome | But it was small and light, so you could get around and carry it in a backpack or something. |
| 04:41.10 | mrpull__ | arrgh... brownout |
| 04:41.56 | LeviHome | Anyway, I need to get ready for bed. |
| 04:43.32 | mrpull__ | rats... i never updated the init scripts on my tivo |
| 04:44.31 | Maquis | fishyfire: can i have a cracker??? |
| 04:44.55 | findlay | aw come on fishyfire, give Maquis a cracker |
| 04:45.02 | Maquis | oops |
| 04:45.07 | Maquis | fishyfire: sorry |
| 04:45.09 | findlay | sure |
| 04:45.10 | Maquis | findlay: can i have a cracker? |
| 04:45.28 | findlay | well... OK, but they're just the cheap walmart kind |
| 04:45.37 | Maquis | mmmmm... cracker! |
| 04:54.17 | fishyfire | fishyfire, has crackers too |
| 04:54.28 | fishyfire | if maquis really wants some |
| 04:54.33 | Maquis | haha |
| 04:54.34 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:54.50 | Maquis | what kind do you have? |
| 04:55.05 | fishyfire | town house and chicken and a bisket i think |
| 04:55.12 | fishyfire | ate all the wheat thins earlier |
| 04:55.24 | Maquis | ah man! |
| 04:55.29 | Maquis | wheat thins are the best! |
| 04:55.42 | fishyfire | yep! that's why they are all gone |
| 04:55.47 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:56.31 | Maquis | ??? |
| 04:56.35 | findlay | they were the cheapest kind |
| 04:56.40 | Maquis | haha |
| 04:56.48 | fishyfire | lol\ |
| 04:58.00 | findlay | but they are pretty good |
| 04:58.31 | fishyfire | one of my professors brought cookies in for the whole class today |
| 04:58.39 | fishyfire | they were op-amp cookies |
| 04:58.49 | findlay | 'Vanilla Thin Cookies Artificially Flavored" [TM] (C) (R) (P) |
| 04:58.58 | fishyfire | triangles with a + and - |
| 04:59.20 | Maquis | http://www.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/scigen/ |
| 05:00.37 | Maquis | it's like madlibs for research papers |
| 05:00.46 | findlay | prelinking takes forever |
| 05:01.07 | findlay | but Maquis how many monkey typerwriter hours can it do? |
| 05:01.24 | Maquis | findlay: not sure, but they got one of their papers accepted at a conference :) |
| 05:03.11 | findlay | probably 13.5 horsepower per electron volt times 783 Tesla on the night of a new moon times 5 eggplant clair voyance |
| 05:03.14 | findlay | about |
| 05:03.19 | findlay | ~ |
| 05:12.55 | findlay | whatever you do, don't compulsively eat *anything* i front of the computer |
| 05:13.06 | findlay | even healthy stuff |
| 05:13.50 | findlay | I was playing bzflag once and eating carrots. After about 2 hours most of the 2 pound bag was gone, and the next day I was prettysick (: |
| 05:15.35 | brailsmt | carrots?! |
| 05:15.40 | brailsmt | thats a new one... |
| 05:15.50 | brailsmt | plain carrots? |
| 05:16.00 | findlay | yup |
| 05:16.03 | brailsmt | or with peanut butter? |
| 05:16.13 | brailsmt | carrots and peanut butter == yummy |
| 05:16.15 | findlay | nope, plain, the little short ones |
| 05:16.31 | brailsmt | carrot + ranch dip == yummy, yummy |
| 05:17.06 | xbmodder | french + george bush == yummy! |
| 05:17.53 | findlay | electromagnetic + weak == electroweak! |
| 05:19.45 | mrpull__ | until tomorrow |
| 05:19.49 | mrpull__ | later! |
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| 05:32.52 | xbmodder | lol |
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| 14:28.33 | Uncle_Je1se | good morning |
| 14:32.57 | Lone_Wanderer | morning |
| 14:33.06 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen, you around? |
| 14:35.18 | Jayce^ | http://www.linuxpipeline.com/159905183 |
| 14:35.20 | Jayce^ | very cool |
| 14:36.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Dag, they (almost, but not quite) took my idea. |
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| 14:52.42 | Uncle_Jesse | very cool |
| 14:53.59 | Uncle_Jesse | So does that mean Novell 0wn3z you if you start a company through their system? |
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| 15:02.32 | dataw0lf|w | any of you guys know how to change the directory in which Firefox saves the 'mozilla' profile, etc directory in Windows ? |
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| 15:07.38 | hans | How do you feel about the new stadium name? |
| 15:09.12 | hagna | what is it? |
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| 15:10.58 | Uncle_Jesse | there's a new stadium name? |
| 15:11.09 | Uncle_Jesse | for Lavell Edwards stadium? |
| 15:11.26 | hagna | yeah, it's Uncle_Jesse stadium |
| 15:11.26 | hans | ~flunk Uncle_Jesse |
| 15:11.47 | hagna | there is a big controversy about the underscore though |
| 15:12.09 | hagna | hans: I'm with the prounderscore side |
| 15:12.20 | hagna | hans: no really... what are you talking about? |
| 15:13.07 | hans | ~flunk hagna |
| 15:13.16 | dataw0lf|w | Anyone installed FC4 test 2 ? |
| 15:13.29 | hans | ~flunk is <action>gives $who a big fat F |
| 15:13.30 | ibot | hans: okay |
| 15:13.33 | hans | ~flunk hagna |
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| 15:13.46 | hans | ~flunk $who is <action>gives $who a big fat F |
| 15:13.48 | ibot | hans: okay |
| 15:13.50 | hans | ~flunk hagna |
| 15:13.53 | ibot | ACTION gives hagna a big fat F |
| 15:13.57 | hans | ~flunk Uncle_Jesse |
| 15:14.00 | ibot | ACTION gives Uncle_Jesse a big fat F |
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| 15:14.13 | hans | ~flunk brailsmt |
| 15:14.15 | ibot | ACTION gives brailsmt a big fat F |
| 15:14.49 | hagna | ~renamestadium is <action>rename Lavell Edwards Stadium Uncle_Jesse stadium |
| 15:14.50 | ibot | hagna: okay |
| 15:14.57 | hagna | ~renamestadium |
| 15:15.00 | ibot | ACTION rename Lavell Edwards Stadium Uncle_Jesse stadium |
| 15:15.14 | hagna | ~renamestadium is <action>renames Lavell Edwards Stadium Uncle_Jesse stadium |
| 15:15.17 | ibot | ...but renamestadium is already something else... |
| 15:15.25 | hagna | ibot: yes I know that |
| 15:15.36 | brailsmt | ~forget renamestadium |
| 15:15.36 | ibot | i forgot renamestadium, brailsmt |
| 15:15.41 | brailsmt | ~renamestadium is <action>renames Lavell Edwards Stadium Uncle_Jesse stadium |
| 15:15.42 | ibot | brailsmt: okay |
| 15:15.46 | brailsmt | grrr |
| 15:15.47 | Jayce^ | ibot, no renamestadium is <action>renames Lavell Edwards Stadium $who stadium |
| 15:15.48 | ibot | Jayce^: okay |
| 15:15.48 | brailsmt | ~forget renamestadium |
| 15:15.56 | hagna | ~renamestadium is <action>renames Lavell Edwards Stadium Uncle_Jesse stadium |
| 15:15.57 | ibot | ...but renamestadium is already something else... |
| 15:16.08 | brailsmt | ~renamestadium is <action>renames Lavell Edwards Stadium, <who> stadium |
| 15:16.09 | ibot | ...but renamestadium is already something else... |
| 15:16.10 | brailsmt | ~forget renamestadium |
| 15:16.35 | brailsmt | ~forget renamestadium |
| 15:17.26 | brailsmt | ~no renamestadium is <action>renames Lavell Edwards Stadium, <who> stadium |
| 15:17.27 | ibot | brailsmt: okay |
| 15:17.31 | fishyfire | catherine |
| 15:17.41 | brailsmt | ~renamestadium foo |
| 15:17.50 | hagna | ~renamestadium Stewart Edwards |
| 15:18.11 | brailsmt | ~die |
| 15:18.12 | ibot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 15:18.39 | hagna | ~renamestadium spiritual arms race |
| 15:19.23 | brailsmt | ibot is confundido |
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| 15:20.20 | hagna | ~ibot: sex? |
| 15:20.21 | ibot | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 15:20.21 | hans | ok, osx folks, how do you get xterm in X11 in OS X to listen to .Xrescources? |
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| 15:21.33 | hagna | hans: I don't know, but I want to know too |
| 15:21.46 | Uncle_Jesse | hagna: never tried |
| 15:21.57 | Uncle_Jesse | I just use the terminal that comes with OSX |
| 15:22.36 | hagna | yeah me too |
| 15:22.46 | brailsmt | hans, how do you xterm t o listen to .Xrescources in any platform? |
| 15:22.49 | hagna | what's with hans asking another question while I'm still thinking about stadium renaming |
| 15:22.59 | hans | brailsmt: sure, you make a ~/.Xresources file |
| 15:23.12 | hans | that Just WorksTM in Debian. (you hve to restart X or use xrdb) |
| 15:23.14 | brailsmt | oh, i thought you said .Xrescources... :) |
| 15:23.46 | brailsmt | </failed humor> |
| 15:24.46 | hans | ah. well, xrdb would make it listen to .Xrescources too. ;-) but xrdb fails (no /usr/bin/cpp) on my OSX |
| 15:24.55 | hans | maybe I need to install dev tools or something and then it will work. |
| 15:26.20 | hagna | hans: why xterm? |
| 15:26.27 | Uncle_Jesse | why rename the stadium? |
| 15:27.00 | hans | hagna: or, and this would be ok too, figure out how to get the osx term to send pgup to the app and to only scroll on shift-pgup |
| 15:28.06 | Uncle_Jesse | hagna: I've been trying to figure that out myself |
| 15:28.13 | Uncle_Jesse | sorry - that was to hans |
| 15:28.20 | Uncle_Jesse | too many "ha's" |
| 15:28.48 | hagna | to get irssi to function I had to change option to alt in properties |
| 15:29.23 | hagna | s/!!/window settings/ |
| 15:31.01 | stadium | I feel so generic |
| 15:31.06 | stadium | a new name would suit me |
| 15:32.59 | lukfugl | so what stadium is being renamed? |
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| 15:33.29 | sjansen | http://rlove.org/images/cowboy_hats_20050411.jpg |
| 15:33.29 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - what's being renamed? |
| 15:34.30 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: don't change the subject |
| 15:34.48 | Uncle_Jesse | someone add the stadium renaming to the topic |
| 15:34.55 | Uncle_Jesse | so we don't forget |
| 15:35.02 | hagna_stadium | as if |
| 15:35.08 | hagna_stadium | I can't forget |
| 15:35.10 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, nupm.org, utwaa.org | UUG Fragfest & Key Signing tonight |
| 15:35.13 | hagna_stadium | it's like a quest now |
| 15:35.18 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: stop me :-P |
| 15:35.28 | dataw0lf|w | fragfest ? |
| 15:35.30 | Uncle_Jesse | hagna_stadium and I won't let you |
| 15:35.55 | hagna_stadium | Uncle_Jesse: I appreciate it... hrm I just heard something from Brave brave sir robin |
| 15:36.19 | Uncle_Jesse | who's sir robin? |
| 15:36.44 | Uncle_Jesse | Braves stadium is being renamed? |
| 15:36.46 | hagna_stadium | ahem |
| 15:37.00 | lukfugl | Monty Python Stadium? |
| 15:37.21 | hagna_stadium | uh oh coworkers can here me laughing |
| 15:37.25 | Uncle_Jesse | Monty has a stadium? |
| 15:37.27 | hagna_stadium | hear |
| 15:37.35 | hagna_stadium | Python stadium? |
| 15:37.41 | Uncle_Jesse | MySQL stadium? |
| 15:38.14 | hagna_stadium | OpenSSL Stadium |
| 15:38.20 | hagna_stadium | yeah |
| 15:39.17 | lukfugl | 'I propose that "speed of a bicycle" be adopted as the standard measure of velocity in technical articles. Units already included in the standard are "Libraries of Congress" for data storage requirements and "Size of a Volkswagon" for physical size measurements.' |
| 15:39.43 | Uncle_Jesse | So what stadium is being renamed? |
| 15:39.43 | lukfugl | from http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/14/1418255, comment 12233771 |
| 15:40.57 | hans | lukfugl: |
| 15:41.00 | hans | 09:07 < hans> How do you feel about the new stadium name? |
| 15:41.05 | hans | 09:10 < Uncle_Jesse> there's a new stadium name? |
| 15:41.05 | hans | 09:11 < Uncle_Jesse> for Lavell Edwards stadium? |
| 15:41.26 | hans | ~flunk y'all |
| 15:41.29 | ibot | ACTION gives y'all a big fat F |
| 15:41.29 | hagna_stadium | that was exciting |
| 15:42.00 | hagna_stadium | is this just so hans can give us big fat F |
| 15:42.05 | Uncle_Jesse | I think so |
| 15:42.36 | sjansen | http://newsnet.byu.edu/ |
| 15:43.09 | lukfugl | ~lart newsnet |
| 15:43.12 | hagna_stadium | System error |
| 15:43.23 | lukfugl | "Could not connect to JRun Server." |
| 15:43.23 | hagna_stadium | Could not connect to JRun Server |
| 15:43.32 | sjansen | yeah, isn't Java great ;-) |
| 15:43.42 | lukfugl | how was the flamewar last night? |
| 15:43.47 | hagna_stadium | dang I thought it was a hint on stadium renaming |
| 15:44.11 | sjansen | Bryan admitted he's wrong and promised to convert the Church over to Ruby. |
| 15:44.31 | Jayce^ | no, remember, ruby was the slowest benchmark |
| 15:44.34 | hagna_stadium | System.out.println("Java is great if you have enough keystrokes left in you."); |
| 15:44.36 | Jayce^ | of the given set of tests |
| 15:44.54 | Uncle_Jesse | Perl Stadium? |
| 15:45.16 | hagna_stadium | Benchmark Stadium |
| 15:45.23 | lukfugl | there're lies, d*** lies, statistics, and the there are benchmarks |
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| 15:45.45 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, shoulda been there then :-p |
| 15:45.48 | hagna_stadium | Lies Stadium |
| 15:45.52 | Uncle_Jesse | So what stadium is being renamed? |
| 15:46.11 | hans | Jayce^: surely you understand the source of this stadium junk |
| 15:46.20 | hans | 09:07 < hans> How do you feel about the new stadium name? |
| 15:46.27 | hagna_stadium | Big Fat F Stadium |
| 15:47.17 | SpecialK | who's stadium ? |
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| 15:49.53 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: doesn't seem like anyone knows the source of it |
| 15:50.22 | Uncle_Jesse | SpecialK: some stadium somewhere has been renamed - we're trying to figure out which one but hans won't tell us |
| 15:51.06 | Jayce^ | hans, not a clue |
| 15:51.37 | Uncle_Jesse | ~flunk hans |
| 15:51.39 | ibot | ACTION gives hans a big fat F |
| 15:51.48 | sjansen | Poor Cameron, he was so close to finishing validating on 9.2 |
| 15:53.03 | Newsome | http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/us_sport/4445465.stm |
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| 15:53.50 | MrStadium | did I miss anything? Router issues you know |
| 15:54.04 | Newsome | http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/11389027.htm |
| 15:54.28 | bonez41 | can I specify an alternate mail folder to open with mutt, when launching mutt? |
| 15:56.00 | Uncle_Jesse | cool - I broke google: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cache%3A+http%3A%2F%2Fwww.miami.com%2Fmld%2Fmiamiherald%2Fsports%2F11389027.htm&btnG=Google+Search |
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| 15:56.28 | Newsome | http://news.google.com/news?q=stadium&num=50&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn |
| 15:57.05 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I was looking there - a lot of stadium renamins |
| 15:57.09 | Uncle_Jesse | renamings |
| 15:57.18 | brailsmt | can i force X to reread its config file and apply the changes? |
| 15:57.32 | Uncle_Jesse | Is hans referring to the Nationals stadium renaming? |
| 15:58.01 | MrStadium | perhaps |
| 15:58.05 | tensai | brailsmt: only by killing X |
| 15:58.30 | lukfugl | registration required (on second link). First mentions a new stadium, not a stadium renaming |
| 15:58.30 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: "Washington" nationals is referring to Washington, D.C, not the state |
| 15:58.41 | Uncle_Jesse | if that's what you're referring to |
| 16:04.15 | hans | but, nahhhh |
| 16:04.49 | hagna | we should play WIHFM weekly |
| 16:05.15 | Uncle_Jesse | hans is the only one in here that knows the source |
| 16:05.34 | hagna_stadium | does anyone have physical acess to hans? |
| 16:05.37 | hagna_stadium | access |
| 16:05.47 | Uncle_Jesse | ~strangle hans |
| 16:05.49 | ibot | ACTION strangles hans with a mouse cord. |
| 16:06.13 | Uncle_Jesse | everyone should turn the game around and start flunking hans |
| 16:06.13 | hans | would it help if I put quotation marks around it? |
| 16:06.43 | Uncle_Jesse | don't know - would it? |
| 16:06.45 | hagna_stadium | I don't want to give you the wrong idea about F students |
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| 16:07.20 | sjansen | Wow. So I just heard Sarge developers are starting to hope they might ship before Longhorn. |
| 16:07.38 | hagna_stadium | Longhorn is shipping? |
| 16:08.12 | vontrapp | ibot, no, renamestadium $who is <reply> mv "Lavell Edwards Stadium" "$who" |
| 16:08.14 | ibot | okay, vontrapp |
| 16:08.24 | sjansen | Apparently it's just slipped to 2007. I have to agree, that might just be a large enough window to finish and ship Sarge. |
| 16:08.36 | lukfugl | ~lart lame internet connections |
| 16:08.49 | levi | Yo. |
| 16:09.23 | Uncle_Jesse | ~lart hans for not telling us which stadium is being renamed |
| 16:09.34 | vontrapp | ~renamestadium WIHFM Stadium |
| 16:09.37 | ibot | mv "Lavell Edwards Stadium" "WIHFM Stadium" |
| 16:09.56 | hagna_stadium | ~renamestadium Uncle_Jesse |
| 16:09.58 | ibot | mv "Lavell Edwards Stadium" "Uncle_Jesse" |
| 16:10.08 | hagna_stadium | stadium ibot, ugh |
| 16:10.33 | Uncle_Jesse | ~renamestadium "rfk stadium" "rfk national guard stadium" |
| 16:10.36 | ibot | mv "Lavell Edwards Stadium" ""rfk stadium" "rfk national guard stadium"" |
| 16:10.58 | hagna_stadium | ibot: I get the feeling you are a perl script |
| 16:11.00 | ibot | hagna_stadium: what are you talking about? |
| 16:11.08 | hagna_stadium | ibot: stadiums mostly |
| 16:11.23 | Uncle_Jesse | ~wihfm |
| 16:11.30 | SpecialK | armed forces stadium |
| 16:11.34 | Uncle_Jesse | ~stadium |
| 16:11.43 | Uncle_Jesse | is that what they decided on? |
| 16:11.52 | hagna_stadium | ~wihfm is why is hans flunking me "the game" |
| 16:11.53 | ibot | hagna_stadium: okay |
| 16:12.53 | vontrapp | ~wihfm is <see> flunk $user |
| 16:12.54 | ibot | ...but wihfm is already something else... |
| 16:13.35 | vontrapp | ibot: no, wihfm is <see> flunk $user |
| 16:13.36 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 16:13.40 | vontrapp | ~wihfm |
| 16:13.41 | ibot | i guess wihfm is <see> flunk ~von |
| 16:13.45 | vontrapp | darn |
| 16:13.55 | vontrapp | ibot, no, wihfm is why is hans flunking me "the game" |
| 16:13.56 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 16:13.58 | hagna_stadium | duct tapes ibot to a chicken |
| 16:14.34 | vontrapp | ~flunk hans |
| 16:14.36 | ibot | ACTION gives hans a big fat F |
| 16:15.29 | hagna_stadium | why is ibot flunking hans? |
| 16:15.55 | vontrapp | gaaaa!!!! |
| 16:15.57 | vontrapp | ~lart xmms |
| 16:16.01 | vontrapp | ~flunk xmms |
| 16:16.03 | ibot | ACTION gives xmms a big fat F |
| 16:16.21 | vontrapp | maybe i'll give amoraK a go |
| 16:16.36 | hagna_stadium | vontrapp: who has better reflexes you or hans? |
| 16:16.56 | vontrapp | any music player that does cool queueing and statistecs like imms? |
| 16:17.14 | vontrapp | hagna_stadium: me, of course |
| 16:17.19 | hans | ~pity von and his HP laptop |
| 16:17.22 | ibot | I pity da fool von and his HP laptop! |
| 16:17.25 | hagna_stadium | vontrapp: good go punch him |
| 16:18.05 | vontrapp | too bad noone knows what the name of the stadium was, or you could have been there to watch |
| 16:18.17 | hagna_stadium | yeah no doubt |
| 16:18.38 | hans | vontrapp: How do you feel about the new stadium name? |
| 16:18.58 | hagna_stadium | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
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| 16:21.02 | hagna_stadium | hans: how does your stadium feel? |
| 16:21.07 | lukfugl | hagna_stadium: rage, same as always |
| 16:22.55 | hans | ~praise lukfugl |
| 16:22.57 | ibot | All hail lukfugl! |
| 16:25.08 | Uncle_Jesse | is this like the secret word game or something? |
| 16:25.22 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: simply a test |
| 16:25.30 | hans | ~revoke Uncle_Jesse |
| 16:25.47 | hans | ~revoke $who is <action>revokes $who's geek card. |
| 16:25.48 | ibot | okay, hans |
| 16:25.51 | hans | ~revoke Uncle_Jesse |
| 16:25.53 | ibot | ACTION revokes Uncle_Jesse's geek card. |
| 16:26.08 | Uncle_Jesse | so noone but hans and lukfugl is a geek in here I take it |
| 16:26.22 | Uncle_Jesse | ~google "rage, same as always" |
| 16:26.39 | hans | sorry, it's current-events geekdom |
| 16:26.44 | Uncle_Jesse | weird it didn't come up through the browser |
| 16:29.13 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: I already told you a stadium that's being renamed |
| 16:29.17 | Uncle_Jesse | currently |
| 16:29.44 | lukfugl | ~revoke Uncle_Jesse |
| 16:29.46 | ibot | ACTION confiscates and destroys Uncle_Jesse's DNRC membership certificate |
| 16:29.48 | hans | ok, one more hint |
| 16:29.59 | hans | "Our marketing plan was to find a sports stadium to brand with our company's name." |
| 16:30.34 | hans | the only obvious thing is that nobody here with long-term memory reads Dilbert. |
| 16:30.47 | Uncle_Jesse | hmmm...google returns nothing |
| 16:30.52 | Uncle_Jesse | I thought it was current events |
| 16:30.57 | Jayce^ | long-term memory? |
| 16:31.06 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:31.13 | hans | or short-term. enough to recognize a quote from today's dilbert. :) |
| 16:31.26 | hagna_stadium | oh my gosh |
| 16:31.29 | hagna_stadium | I'm on to something |
| 16:31.29 | Uncle_Jesse | http://www.dilbert.com/ |
| 16:31.46 | Uncle_Jesse | duh |
| 16:32.13 | hagna_stadium | rage, same as always |
| 16:32.16 | hans | it wasn't meant to be an hour-long discussion about stadiums. I was just phishing. |
| 16:32.16 | hagna_stadium | hehe |
| 16:32.37 | hans | funny thing is, rage is probably how you guys feel about the new stadium name about now. :0 |
| 16:32.37 | levi | Dude, Dilbert is so 90's. |
| 16:32.39 | hagna_stadium | it makes work go by quickly |
| 16:33.39 | Uncle_Jesse | do I get my geekdom back now? |
| 16:35.00 | hans | sorry, I'm not authorized to restore it. |
| 16:35.23 | Uncle_Jesse | who is authorized? |
| 16:36.15 | Jayce^ | it is brough up before an elected offical at our bi-weekly meetings, where it must be ratified by a 2/3 majority in matters of state |
| 16:36.32 | Jayce^ | purely internal affairs are subject to a simple majority |
| 16:37.09 | hagna_stadium | I wasn thinking you had to visit a high mountain |
| 16:37.15 | brailsmt | though you can be filibustered |
| 16:37.28 | brailsmt | or borked |
| 16:37.28 | hagna_stadium | see the oracle |
| 16:37.46 | brailsmt | s/or/and\/or |
| 16:38.09 | Jayce^ | yes, not quite accurate, but it was good enough |
| 16:41.06 | Maquis | www.gcfl.net |
| 16:41.49 | Maquis | (and for another one: http://gcfl.net/archive.php?funny=20050323) |
| 16:44.40 | vontrapp | "random facts of vertex" :) |
| 16:46.15 | hagna_stadium | Maquis: there is some geography joke with the punchline Oklahoma sucks |
| 16:46.26 | hagna_stadium | do you know the stuff that come before |
| 16:46.30 | hagna_stadium | ? |
| 16:47.44 | Maquis | hagna_stadium: before? |
| 16:48.06 | Maquis | before what? |
| 16:52.38 | vontrapp | before the punchline |
| 16:57.07 | hans | why tonvrapp? |
| 16:57.14 | dataw0lf|w | what games are played at the fragfest ? |
| 16:57.33 | vontrapp | a friend's sister is in a play and i was asked to come |
| 16:57.59 | hans | you have the weirdest priorities. where were you raised? who babysat you? |
| 16:58.22 | vontrapp | um, hans did :-P |
| 16:58.30 | hans | although I must admit I'm probably not going cuz I want to make bread |
| 16:58.31 | vontrapp | ~flunk xmms |
| 16:58.33 | ibot | ACTION gives xmms a big fat F |
| 16:58.38 | vontrapp | stupid piece of crap |
| 16:58.39 | hans | what's xmms doing to you? |
| 16:58.44 | vontrapp | i'm really starting to hate xmms |
| 16:59.00 | vontrapp | failing on the soundcard |
| 16:59.00 | shadoi | why? |
| 16:59.11 | vontrapp | it works well enough without imms |
| 16:59.19 | shadoi | that'd be your soundcard/driver's problem, not xmms. |
| 16:59.25 | levi | Oh, I've discovered pure evil: http://xplusplus.sourceforge.net/indexPage.htm |
| 16:59.29 | vontrapp | but i try and use imms and tons of wierd stuff happens and things break |
| 16:59.29 | hans | xmms in oss or alsa mode? |
| 16:59.45 | vontrapp | oss, because it doesn't work in alsa |
| 16:59.57 | vontrapp | ~lart xmms |
| 16:59.59 | hans | define doesn't work. |
| 17:00.03 | hans | do other alsa progs work? |
| 17:00.10 | levi | hans: You must look at my link. |
| 17:00.17 | hans | levi: that was the first shudder |
| 17:00.19 | vontrapp | yes, and xmms works with alsa without imms |
| 17:00.34 | hans | odd |
| 17:00.48 | vontrapp | it does all kinds of strange things |
| 17:00.55 | vontrapp | last night it just quite working entirely |
| 17:00.58 | shadoi | imms has nothing at all to do with playback, it's just a playlist db. |
| 17:01.05 | vontrapp | had to restart the computer before xmms would even start |
| 17:01.25 | vontrapp | exactly why xmms sucks if such a simple thing breaks it |
| 17:01.26 | hans | shadoi: yes, but for some unknown reason it does open the mixer |
| 17:01.30 | Jayce^ | levi, that is sick |
| 17:01.31 | hans | lsof /dev/snd/* |
| 17:01.41 | hans | ... |
| 17:01.42 | hans | immsd 4251 fugalh 7u CHR 116,0 946 /dev/snd/controlC0 |
| 17:01.54 | hans | maybe it detects if you have mute on. |
| 17:02.10 | shadoi | ah.. yes it does. |
| 17:02.18 | shadoi | it actually replaces the xmms playlist |
| 17:02.20 | hans | vontrapp: I bet you could hack out that functionality and it would play nicer with your hardware |
| 17:02.33 | vontrapp | then last night again it just stopped queueing |
| 17:02.46 | hans | do you have repeat on? |
| 17:03.07 | vontrapp | and this morning it played the first song over and over and over and over before i finally woke up (a vary quiet song, incidently) |
| 17:03.17 | hans | known bug |
| 17:03.35 | hans | first song in the playlist right? |
| 17:03.47 | vontrapp | and today when i first complained, it was still playing but imms wasn't doing anything |
| 17:03.54 | vontrapp | then now i got the sound device error |
| 17:04.03 | vontrapp | if i turn off imms, no error |
| 17:04.16 | vontrapp | i _really_ want to use imms |
| 17:04.23 | vontrapp | or something like it |
| 17:04.43 | vontrapp | if i can switch to another player and get similar functionality then that would be great |
| 17:04.49 | hans | so it works great for me - either it's a your hardware problem or a your build problem. If you want to pursue the latter, I can give you my debs and/or beat you into submission to do the things you think are dumb like recompiling xmms from scratch |
| 17:05.02 | vontrapp | otherwise, unfortunatly, it would just be like xmms without imms, which works, so no real point switching |
| 17:05.07 | hans | vontrapp: imms also supports beep |
| 17:05.09 | vontrapp | other than the hating xmms factor |
| 17:05.15 | hans | beep is @#&$ but it may work for you |
| 17:05.28 | hans | beep is just a mandraked version of xmms |
| 17:05.42 | vontrapp | ? |
| 17:05.51 | vontrapp | i am using your debs by the way, hans |
| 17:06.02 | hans | http://www.sosdg.org/~larne/w/BMP_Homepage |
| 17:07.29 | vontrapp | what is bmp? |
| 17:07.49 | vontrapp | once again, the homesite fails to say _what_ it is |
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| 17:07.58 | hans | I told you |
| 17:08.03 | hans | it's a mandrake-ized version of xmms |
| 17:08.05 | vontrapp | bmp == beep? |
| 17:08.12 | hans | beep media player |
| 17:08.14 | hans | sorry |
| 17:08.15 | vontrapp | ah |
| 17:10.01 | vontrapp | so then beep has the new api and works well with imms? |
| 17:10.22 | hans | vontrapp: imms supports it. |
| 17:10.47 | vontrapp | well, i guess maybe imms was working earlier, just not writing to the log because of no space |
| 17:11.00 | vontrapp | but the output device still failed :( |
| 17:11.13 | hans | this is a new development? It used to work? |
| 17:11.28 | neybar | vontrapp: have you tried using amarok? |
| 17:11.47 | neybar | it has quite a few output plugins, gstreamer, jack, alsa etc |
| 17:11.49 | vontrapp | i considered it, does it have imms type queing or plugins? |
| 17:12.03 | neybar | I'm not familiar with imms |
| 17:12.12 | hans | vontrapp: an idea. try software mixing in xmms |
| 17:12.18 | hans | and alsa |
| 17:12.23 | vontrapp | hmm, beep-media-player blisfully fails to do anything |
| 17:13.47 | vontrapp | re: someone declaring they broke google earlier, i was going to say i did that all the time, like now |
| 17:13.51 | vontrapp | ~google amorak imms |
| 17:14.26 | vontrapp | hans, it never worked |
| 17:14.33 | vontrapp | it works for a while, then craps out |
| 17:14.57 | vontrapp | i have to restart things and jump through all kinds of hoops and delete lock files and all kinds of crap |
| 17:15.45 | hans | but it does work for awhile |
| 17:16.01 | vontrapp | yeah, like a whole day if i'm lucky |
| 17:16.03 | vontrapp | or just three songs |
| 17:16.24 | hans | and then.. |
| 17:16.46 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone know how close MySQL is to 5.0 becoming production-ready? |
| 17:16.55 | vontrapp | i don't think this amorak is the music player - from amorak.net: Part of creating a kinder, gentler world involves learning about and respecting animals and the other living things with whom we share this planet. Teaching our children to be respectful of and kind to animals and the natural world is also vital. |
| 17:17.24 | dataw0lf|w | yay for pg |
| 17:17.31 | vontrapp | and then this box pops up telling me the audio device is busy |
| 17:18.20 | hans | vontrapp: If you want I'll sit down and try to beat it into submission with you sometime. in person |
| 17:18.25 | Uncle_Jesse | I already tried pushing Firebird but unfortunately the PHBs won't budge |
| 17:18.43 | vontrapp | hans: i would appreciate that |
| 17:18.57 | Uncle_Jesse | "We've already decided on MySQL so we can't use anything else" |
| 17:19.07 | dataw0lf|w | Tis a shame. |
| 17:20.35 | vontrapp | ack! amoraK is kde |
| 17:21.22 | vontrapp | *sigh* |
| 17:21.30 | dataw0lf|w | don't do it! |
| 17:21.33 | hans | vontrapp: there are a few things out there that try to do something like imms |
| 17:21.39 | hans | most are more work than they're worth |
| 17:21.56 | hans | but if you don't mind training them by hand... |
| 17:22.03 | vontrapp | i do mind |
| 17:22.10 | hans | then imms is the only thing I've found. |
| 17:24.28 | vontrapp | and xmms spirals into a hard lock |
| 17:27.12 | vontrapp | i just went for a while without imms, but there's too many erasure songs and they get played all to often, especially when i'm in the mood for something different |
| 17:27.21 | vontrapp | imms works great for that, when it works :( |
| 17:29.25 | vontrapp | and now i can't even start xmms again |
| 17:30.40 | vontrapp | you know what would be cool, an app like xkill, but that kills the app whilst showing a fantastical display of destructiveness, like fireballs or vaporization |
| 17:31.21 | vontrapp | then i could excorsize unholy apps with it |
| 17:33.16 | hans | ok, anyone know a pop-the-cd-in-and-install linux Kiosk distro? |
| 17:34.43 | Maquis | why does amarok require qt? |
| 17:34.45 | Maquis | that's silly |
| 17:35.01 | vontrapp | because it's kde :-p |
| 17:36.45 | vontrapp | tell me when you find it |
| 17:36.56 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone going to watch the office tonight? |
| 17:38.57 | neybar | well amarok kicks the pants off any other music player I've used... it being a kde app is just a nice bonus |
| 17:39.01 | dataw0lf|w | man, if Tru64 had pkill it would sure make my scripting life easier. |
| 17:39.18 | hans | dataw0lf|w: so write your own pkill |
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| 17:39.27 | dataw0lf|w | hans: that's what I'm doing. |
| 17:39.31 | hans | ah |
| 18:03.32 | Uncle_Jesse | Everyone wish Harley_Pig happy birthday today |
| 18:03.46 | Uncle_Jesse | someone should get him in here |
| 18:15.30 | vontrapp | can you do regular expression matching in mysql queries? |
| 18:15.54 | vontrapp | what about pgsql? |
| 18:16.00 | Jayce^ | yeah, search for regexp() on their site (mysql) |
| 18:23.18 | vontrapp | here's an interesting statistic for ya, all first names containing only letters on qwerty home row: 2, likewise for dvorak home row: 405 |
| 18:23.38 | vontrapp | this is firstnames in our database of residents at work |
| 18:24.12 | vontrapp | total: 11019 |
| 18:40.10 | dataw0lf|w | I don't think anyone has argued that Dvorak isn't infinitely more efficient. |
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| 18:49.59 | vontrapp | nobody did, it's just an interesting observation |
| 18:50.51 | dataw0lf|w | Does anyone know anyone who uses Dvorak ? |
| 18:52.13 | mrpull | bontrapp... did you ever see the "Doom" port of kill? |
| 18:52.23 | mrpull | errr vontrapp:... |
| 18:52.57 | vontrapp | i've read about it, never actually seen it in action, though |
| 18:53.31 | mrpull | that is a fair amount of destructiveness |
| 18:53.37 | mrpull | but could be better I suppose |
| 18:54.40 | vontrapp | it's cool :) but what i'm talking about is not a custom world for destroying process representations, but an x program to incinerate the window (and kill it at the same time, perhaps with progressive signals) |
| 18:55.12 | mrpull | i like that idea too. |
| 18:55.26 | mrpull | that could put the OSX genie effect to shame |
| 18:56.59 | vontrapp | like it could start out with the 'close button clicked' signal and progress to a kill -11 |
| 18:57.17 | vontrapp | but first it captures the window so the effect can go on when the window does die |
| 19:03.08 | Uncle_Jesse | I would like to see the window explode entirely when it is killed |
| 19:03.22 | Uncle_Jesse | you should be able to provide plugins for those effects |
| 19:06.23 | vontrapp | oh definately |
| 19:08.02 | vontrapp | a few i've thought of: machine gun (lots of holes then falls apart) napalm (burning and dripping melty fireballs), nuke, shatter, burn, vaporize, crumple and toss, eaten |
| 19:08.28 | Uncle_Jesse | x.org needs to implement that |
| 19:08.42 | Uncle_Jesse | I think Linux could be very popular, just for those features and the plugability of it |
| 19:15.59 | vontrapp | ok, i have a database problem that i'm not quite sure how to handle. say you have a table that has x and y, x is a key and y is a value, x is sequential in nature but not complete (gaps), you want to get y for x and y for (x most closely preceding) |
| 19:16.46 | mrpull | i seem to remember a win95 program that you could shoot holes with |
| 19:16.53 | Uncle_Jesse | vontrapp: is x a primary key? |
| 19:17.08 | vontrapp | so it's kinda like select t1.y, t2.y from table t1, table t2 where t2.x=$val and t1.x='$val-1' |
| 19:17.28 | vontrapp | except that $val-1 is not sufficient as there are gaps |
| 19:17.33 | vontrapp | it's actually dates |
| 19:20.31 | vontrapp | not a primary key |
| 19:20.51 | Uncle_Jesse | I get it now |
| 19:21.04 | Uncle_Jesse | so there could be more than one of the same date, right? |
| 19:21.44 | vontrapp | there could be, or it could be one this month and the last one before it in oct of last year |
| 19:21.57 | vontrapp | i need to cover both cases |
| 19:22.09 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 19:22.22 | vontrapp | i need the one for this month and the one most recently preceding |
| 19:22.57 | vontrapp | i guess i could use a temporary table |
| 19:23.14 | Uncle_Jesse | select t1.y, (select max(t2.y) from table t2 where t2.y < t1.y) from table t1 where t1.y=$val; |
| 19:24.03 | Uncle_Jesse | what brand db is it? |
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| 19:26.35 | vontrapp | mysql |
| 19:27.50 | Uncle_Jesse | that ought to be one way to do it then |
| 19:30.41 | Uncle_Jesse | did that work? |
| 19:32.03 | vontrapp | no subselects, but i'll just use a temporary table |
| 19:41.11 | Uncle_Jesse | you have pre 4.1 then I take it? |
| 19:50.25 | Uncle_Jesse | Interesting article on bricolage on /. |
| 19:51.15 | Uncle_Jesse | I've spoke to David Wheeler before - nice guy |
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| 20:21.58 | mrpull | cool. i wasn't aware of bicolage's roots. |
| 20:24.25 | Uncle_Jesse | We looked into them for awhile here at Media General. They're still a bit too small for a larger media company. |
| 20:25.09 | Uncle_Jesse | I was trying to get the PHB's here to pay for Bricolage to give them what we need but large companies are a bit conservative on stuff like that |
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| 21:05.08 | hans | lart lukfugl |
| 21:06.56 | lukfugl | my typing-fu continues |
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| 21:11.19 | Jayce^ | yes, yes you do... :) |
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| 21:12.00 | hans | joshc: there's two jap restaurants there |
| 21:12.04 | hans | demae and one other |
| 21:12.11 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:12.23 | hans | I think that's the name of the other. osaka. |
| 21:12.28 | hans | I think demae is older |
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| 21:13.24 | hans | robots are cool |
| 21:13.25 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.40 | hans | now I'm not sure they're both still there, or if one is new |
| 21:13.46 | neybar | this probably doesn't help, but I've been there... although it has been at least 2 years |
| 21:13.49 | hans | the situation now is different than it was. |
| 21:14.01 | hans | that's all I know. I'm not into jap restaurants or food |
| 21:14.11 | hans | but I do live nearby and walk by there rgularly. |
| 21:14.12 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.18 | hans | and demae is certainly still there. |
| 21:14.30 | neybar | I'm not completely sure but I'm thinking it was damae |
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| 21:14.58 | hans | now, there's a neat little peruvian restaurant on center street that I want to go to. I want some Tallarines Verdes. |
| 21:15.23 | hans | joshc: bring your own rice paper |
| 21:15.32 | hans | then you'll be sure to have them. |
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| 21:16.00 | neybar | hmm, dang I don't remember. Have you tried Yamatos? it is on State St. just north of University mall |
| 21:16.33 | lukfugl | and *my* favorite restaurant (that I've been to) on Provo Center Street is La Buona Vita |
| 21:16.36 | hans | joshc: yup |
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| 21:17.03 | hans | my favorite "restaurant" on center street (that has moved to university and 1st north) is the Krazzy Kanuck. |
| 21:17.19 | lukfugl | hans: I've heard of that one, haven't been there |
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| 21:17.23 | hans | Canadian chocolate. mmm |
| 21:17.32 | hans | it's not a restaurant, really. but lots of chocolate. |
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| 21:18.37 | Jayce^ | places in Utah take reservations? |
| 21:18.38 | lukfugl | anyone off the top of their head remember how to use the openssl command line tool to get the public key, given the private key? |
| 21:18.54 | lukfugl | I remember it involves -pubout, but can't remember how to specify the input private key |
| 21:19.01 | hans | you can't get the public key given the private key. |
| 21:19.14 | hans | I don't think. |
| 21:19.20 | lukfugl | hans: sure you can. Other way around you can't |
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| 21:20.36 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.40 | hans | I guess you can. |
| 21:20.53 | hans | from rsa(1) |
| 21:21.31 | lukfugl | hans: yup, just found that |
| 21:21.41 | lukfugl | didn't think to man rsa |
| 21:23.43 | hans | my head is clearing. It's the certificate you can't get from the private key. |
| 21:24.35 | lukfugl | hans: yes |
| 21:32.11 | levi | UVSC is so much more pleasant to work with than BYU. |
| 21:33.48 | hans | ~spell chronicling |
| 21:33.50 | levi | "My transcript sucks. Can I take classes?" "Sure!" "I need to take CS classes at night, does that work?" "Sure, though upper level classes rotate when they're taught at night" "Can I test out of classes I already know the material for?" "Sure!" |
| 21:33.52 | hans | levi: I can imagine |
| 21:34.04 | levi | The answers from BYU are rather different. |
| 21:34.19 | hans | perfunctorated with "umms", too. |
| 21:35.41 | lukfugl | ~dict chronicling |
| 21:35.52 | levi | At BYU, you have to supplicate before the school and beg to be able to follow the course it lays out for you. At UVSC, they seem to want to help you. |
| 21:36.23 | lukfugl | hmmm, why is my unit test failing? |
| 21:36.34 | levi | lukfugl: Because your code is buggy. |
| 21:36.47 | lukfugl | levi: thanks for the insight :) |
| 21:37.31 | levi | Anytime! |
| 21:37.46 | levi | My consulting fee is... ;) |
| 21:37.56 | hans | no no no! your unit tests are SUCCEEDING |
| 21:38.14 | hans | didn't you learn anything in college? you have to use formal terminology or the world will come to an end |
| 21:39.07 | lukfugl | hans: yes, they are succeeding in their purpose, but they are failing to "pass" :) |
| 21:40.17 | levi | It's your code that's failing, not the test. The test seems to be working fine, since it's giving an indication of code failure. |
| 21:40.57 | lukfugl | sorry for the wrong terminology |
| 21:40.57 | levi | Though you will want to examine both closely to ensure that the code indeed contains the error instead of the test. |
| 21:41.22 | lukfugl | I'm certain the test is correct (rather simple test) |
| 21:41.22 | levi | Welcome to Pedants R Us! |
| 21:42.42 | lukfugl | < lukfugl> hmmm, why is my code failing the unit test? |
| 21:43.41 | levi | lukfugl: Because your code has an error. :) |
| 21:44.04 | lukfugl | ~lart code errors |
| 21:44.13 | lukfugl | ibot: I wish |
| 22:00.10 | Maquis | ~lart compile errors that don't make sense |
| 22:02.28 | vontrapp | good luck making sense of them now |
| 22:03.07 | Maquis | vontrapp: thanks :) |
| 22:03.14 | lukfugl | praise, the unit test passes. Now I just need to debug and make sure the code is memory safe (blasted C) |
| 22:03.27 | Maquis | lukfugl: what was the error |
| 22:03.52 | lukfugl | Turned out the code was correct, the test was correct, but the *input* to the test was wrong |
| 22:04.28 | lukfugl | vontrapp: got any of that green bike tire goo? |
| 22:04.31 | xilch | good job vontrapp - works every time |
| 22:05.43 | vontrapp | lukfugl: that stuff is only for heisenbugs |
| 22:06.38 | lukfugl | you'd like this stuff vontrapp :) |
| 22:07.00 | vontrapp | oh oh, techno? hook me up! |
| 22:07.14 | vontrapp | er, um, too bad my music player is b0rked |
| 22:07.30 | vontrapp | ~lart xmms |
| 22:07.41 | lukfugl | why's your xmms borked? |
| 22:08.25 | vontrapp | because it's lame |
| 22:08.32 | lukfugl | Ow, my chest hurts. I just read Ryan Bowmans post to the UUG elections thread about #emacs |
| 22:09.00 | Maquis | lukfugl: that was a good one |
| 22:10.43 | hans | "Like so many things I can't understand, they left my teeth chattering for more!" |
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| 22:12.55 | lukfugl | hans: huh? I checked out the lucky stiff, so it's not that (unless I missed it in my scan) |
| 22:13.03 | hans | tmbg |
| 22:13.14 | hans | critics intro |
| 22:13.30 | hans | here's another quip: "If you only hear one song this year, there's something terribly wrong with you!" |
| 22:13.36 | lukfugl | ah |
| 22:13.48 | lukfugl | did you read "People Who End With Fish, Part One" yet? |
| 22:13.58 | hans | yeah |
| 22:14.07 | hans | weirdos |
| 22:14.16 | Jayce^ | so, are we going to plan a group excursion for HHGTTG? |
| 22:14.36 | hans | i think we should |
| 22:14.54 | Jayce^ | always better to see that type of movie with like minded folks |
| 22:15.03 | lukfugl | agreed |
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| 22:16.53 | Jayce^ | already let's find the best theater mid-valley |
| 22:17.15 | hans | mid-valley? that's the theater void isn't it? |
| 22:17.24 | Jayce^ | possibly |
| 22:17.32 | Jayce^ | the new AF one is nice, and not too crowded |
| 22:17.36 | hans | I guess the AF cinemark isn't too far off middle |
| 22:17.41 | lukfugl | the new AF is nice and somewhat midvalley |
| 22:17.50 | lukfugl | triple jinx! |
| 22:17.55 | Jayce^ | yeah, the nicest thing is the lack of heavy crowds :) |
| 22:18.04 | hans | very true |
| 22:19.03 | Jayce^ | avoid thanksgiving point if you can |
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| 22:19.56 | lukfugl | have been to one movie there, didn't enjoy it |
| 22:20.10 | lukfugl | didn't enjoy the movie either though :) |
| 22:20.33 | vontrapp | i went to a movie there and the group i was with were the only people in the entire theatre |
| 22:20.56 | vontrapp | granted, it was that prince movie and it had been out a while |
| 22:21.07 | vontrapp | the prince and me |
| 22:22.13 | hans | what's wrong with it? |
| 22:22.21 | lukfugl | oh, that's right, I was there that time too. Didn't enjoy that movie either, though watching Tiffany's reactions was kinda fun |
| 22:22.23 | hans | my wife wants to know if other ladies will be coming |
| 22:22.45 | Maquis | this is during the summer, right? |
| 22:22.52 | hans | this is a week from tomorrow |
| 22:22.58 | vontrapp | kendra will probably be there |
| 22:23.04 | hans | or a week from saturday if we can talk jacob out of opening night. ;-) |
| 22:23.05 | lukfugl | hans: I can't really put my finger on it, I just know I wasn't too impressed |
| 22:23.08 | vontrapp | if we get nich to come with us |
| 22:23.11 | Maquis | hmmm... can't make it.... |
| 22:23.22 | lukfugl | opening night, though fun, isn't *necessary* |
| 22:23.28 | hans | lukfugl: you want to wait until saturday to get a matinee price, right? |
| 22:23.40 | lukfugl | matinee price == good |
| 22:23.51 | vontrapp | this the 23rd? |
| 22:24.00 | vontrapp | we are considering going down to santa fe then |
| 22:24.08 | hans | oh, Maquis, two weeks |
| 22:24.08 | hans | sorry |
| 22:24.12 | Jayce^ | my wife won't be.. |
| 22:24.17 | lukfugl | saturday would be the 1st? |
| 22:24.20 | Jayce^ | she knows this is one of 'my' movies :) |
| 22:24.38 | hans | think so |
| 22:24.50 | Jayce^ | Saturday will be the 30th |
| 22:24.56 | Jayce^ | friday opening |
| 22:25.01 | lukfugl | 30th, not 1st |
| 22:25.07 | lukfugl | 1st is sunday |
| 22:25.38 | lukfugl | I'm willing to do a matinee on the 30th, and may be able to round up some others |
| 22:26.14 | findlay | that place is crowded |
| 22:26.14 | vontrapp | man, internationality in fonts is in a sorry state indeed |
| 22:26.32 | lukfugl | vontrapp: 23rd of April or May? |
| 22:26.36 | vontrapp | april |
| 22:26.46 | lukfugl | when did you plan this and not invite me? |
| 22:26.58 | vontrapp | well, we haven't planned anything solid yet |
| 22:27.07 | findlay | heh, I'm doing a wedding reception at BYU on the 23rd |
| 22:27.10 | vontrapp | but jacob gets back next week |
| 22:27.28 | lukfugl | already? But they're in AZ now anyways, aren't they? |
| 22:27.51 | Maquis | hans: well, i'll be there in spirit... unfortunately, i'll be in washington |
| 22:28.07 | Jayce^ | Maquis, nothing unfortunate about being in WA :) |
| 22:28.29 | Jayce^ | later folks... até amanhã |
| 22:28.30 | Maquis | Jayce^: except that i probably won't get to go to the movie |
| 22:28.55 | findlay | Maquis: what movie? |
| 22:29.21 | lukfugl | cya Jayce^ |
| 22:29.59 | findlay | oooh |
| 22:31.42 | goozbach | ~praise treo650 |
| 22:31.44 | ibot | All hail treo650! |
| 22:32.05 | lukfugl | ~lart me for memory leaks |
| 22:32.30 | lukfugl | there, now I don't have to fix them. I've been blasted into oblivion |
| 22:33.04 | vontrapp | lukfugl: maybe so (re: AZ) but i was told that he was having a homecoming thing in santa fe on the 24th |
| 22:33.10 | lukfugl | yikes, that's scary |
| 22:33.37 | lukfugl | is xmms reading my irssi traffic? it just started playing Living in Oblivion as the next song |
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| 22:33.56 | vontrapp | that would be a cool plugin |
| 22:35.42 | emcnabb | http://evan.mcnabbs.org/tmp/fsf.jpg |
| 22:35.52 | emcnabb | http://blogs.gurulabs.com/evan/ |
| 22:36.00 | emcnabb | from my trip this week |
| 22:36.15 | Maquis | too cool |
| 22:36.39 | spr | question for tonight: How many people have bzflag version 2 already? |
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| 22:36.53 | sjansen | http://mako.yukidoke.org/copyrighteous/books/20050412-00.html |
| 22:37.07 | Maquis | spr: does it run better or worse on machines without video cards? |
| 22:37.30 | hans | Maquis: are you comparing infinities again? |
| 22:37.47 | Maquis | hans: no... just curious whether it's worth installing on my laptop |
| 22:38.12 | Maquis | if it runs better on here, then it'd be worth using... although if it's going to work worse on this computer, then i'm not going to bother |
| 22:38.17 | spr | Maquis, it runs as well on mine as version 1 did. |
| 22:38.26 | Maquis | hmmmmm... |
| 22:38.26 | spr | Just turn off every graphic setting and effect |
| 22:38.32 | Maquis | done that on my laptop |
| 22:38.39 | Maquis | i don't have version 2 yet |
| 22:38.45 | spr | The problem is I'm running version 2, and version 2 can't use the old server (which phantom is) |
| 22:38.53 | Maquis | i don't know that many people will have it |
| 22:39.05 | Maquis | can people with bzflag 1 use a bzflag2 server/ |
| 22:39.21 | Maquis | (ie, is it backwards compatible?) |
| 22:41.27 | findlay | emcnabb: nice (: |
| 22:41.58 | lukfugl | sjansen: my brain hurts |
| 22:42.41 | Maquis | spr: how long does it take to emerge? |
| 22:45.14 | Maquis | spr: i'm going for it |
| 22:45.28 | Maquis | so, we can just set it up with bzflag2 |
| 22:45.48 | Maquis | as long as the gentooers have bzflag2 already, shouldn't have too many problems |
| 22:45.54 | spr | You see, I'm not sure it is backwards compatable. 2 has been out for 4 months, and is the stable version |
| 22:46.43 | Maquis | spr: i'd enjoy playing 2... |
| 22:46.50 | findlay | Maquis: bzflag doesn't take too long to emerge |
| 22:46.57 | Maquis | findlay: good :) |
| 22:47.10 | findlay | about 15 minutes on my box |
| 22:47.40 | Maquis | spr: either way, let me know what you decide |
| 22:52.04 | spr | Looks like bzflag 2.0 isn't backwards compatible with the 1.10 series. |
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| 22:53.41 | Maquis | spr: so |
| 22:53.42 | Maquis | ? |
| 22:54.27 | spr | Maquis, what if most of the people who want to play are running 1.10? |
| 22:54.52 | findlay | we'll force them to upgrade! |
| 22:54.59 | Maquis | yes... my question is, which one are we having, so i know whether to finish emerging 2.0, or to make sure i have the 1.10 |
| 22:56.35 | spr | I won't make anything final until around 6pm probably. Binary distros are good at upgrading fast |
| 22:57.13 | Maquis | so, we gentooers just hope that you pick whatever we have? |
| 22:58.18 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 22:58.31 | Maquis | ome to think of it, bzflag2 is what i have.. |
| 22:58.51 | findlay | Maquis: spr is custom preparing his answer for your specific question/concerns. |
| 23:00.23 | Maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 23:00.35 | findlay | gross |
| 23:01.14 | Maquis | gah... my program is giving the weirdest compile errors ever! |
| 23:03.07 | shadoi | EVAR? |
| 23:03.57 | hans | an |
| 23:04.02 | findlay | Maquis: have you ... <lowers voice> ... have you ever gotten the compile error of doom? |
| 23:08.57 | Maquis | findlay: ummmm..... uh..... ummm..../ |
| 23:09.07 | Maquis | this one is pretty scary |
| 23:09.13 | sjansen | hot grits! |
| 23:09.31 | findlay | that's OK Maquis, I wasn't sure what I was talking about either |
| 23:10.06 | findlay | honestly, where does ibot keep all of those grits anyway? |
| 23:16.11 | levi | I remember the days of hot grits. |
| 23:17.53 | sjansen | ~praise levi |
| 23:17.56 | ibot | All hail levi! |
| 23:18.11 | Maquis | the days of hot grits? |
| 23:18.20 | findlay | late one night as Maquis sits up coding yet another assignment hours before it's due, she builds her program one last time, just to make sure, and then suddenly, unexpectedly, the command line prints out "Danger Maquis Robinson, Danger!\n You have activated codepage 42 and in accordance with the Dave Berry Secret Hacker Alliance, the BSA/DCMA Gestapo will shortly be at your door to erase your entire system partation and replace it with thousands of gifs of ru |
| 23:18.26 | hans | w00t |
| 23:19.46 | levi | Who remembers when sunsite.unc.edu was where you went to look for free software? |
| 23:20.14 | spr | hans, you may or may not think this is interesting, but Andrew has done some trippy X stuff on his mac, details: http://www.mcnabbs.org/andrew/linux/ |
| 23:20.17 | hans | i remember when it is a mirror of where you want to look for free software. |
| 23:21.08 | levi | Where was the original repository? |
| 23:22.30 | findlay | hmm, it seems to just rediret to http://www.ibiblio.org/ |
| 23:23.22 | hans | levi: no original repository, just everything. |
| 23:23.52 | hans | freshmeat, sf, whatever |
| 23:24.52 | levi | Oh. Well, this was long before freshmeat, sf, and all those other places people go for free software now. |
| 23:25.13 | levi | I'm not sure if sunsite was the original or a mirror, but there were several places with mostly the same stuff. |
| 23:25.29 | Maquis | findlay: ummm... how do i avoid that? :) |
| 23:25.43 | sjansen | ibibilio followed sunsite |
| 23:26.51 | sjansen | the creation of ibibilio happened shortly after I stumbled into the free software scene |
| 23:29.30 | levi | Maquis: What's going wrong? |
| 23:29.34 | Maquis | why the @#%#$ won't this stupid thing compile???? |
| 23:29.43 | levi | Maquis: Because of the errors, of course. |
| 23:29.55 | Maquis | levi: i don't see what the error is, though |
| 23:30.37 | Maquis | it's saying that i'm redeclaring a function as a different kind of symbol, but i don't think i'm doing that |
| 23:31.03 | spr | Maquis, remember, the compiler is always right :) |
| 23:31.11 | findlay | Maquis: the trick is to make sure that sjansen has a computer with an equivalent of 2.7E+8 monkey-hours of typing, or about 1500 ISO-32547:20050414 when or if http://www.ibiblio.org/ should happen to go down |
| 23:31.25 | Maquis | findlay: huh? |
| 23:31.29 | Maquis | spr: i disagree |
| 23:32.04 | levi | Maquis: If the compiler is wrong, it doesn't matter. You still have to conform to its view of reality to get anything useful out of it. :) |
| 23:32.17 | Maquis | levi: fine... but how do i do that? |
| 23:32.18 | levi | Maquis: What's the relevant error and code? |
| 23:32.49 | Maquis | wait.. |
| 23:32.52 | Maquis | GRRRR!!! |
| 23:33.09 | Maquis | 2+ hours later... |
| 23:35.18 | sjansen | Maquis: now you have to explain so that we can all mock you and feel superior |
| 23:36.01 | Maquis | i had earlier been using a struct, but i forgot to have the structName; at the end of the struct (which i'm not even using anyways) |
| 23:36.10 | Maquis | (in the .h file) |
| 23:36.24 | levi | Were you typedefing the struct? |
| 23:36.35 | Maquis | levi: yeah |
| 23:36.57 | levi | Ahh, okay. Because the name after the struct is the new type name, not the struct name. |
| 23:37.10 | levi | You can alway refer to a struct by 'struct structname' |
| 23:37.14 | levi | Always. |
| 23:37.19 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 23:37.20 | Maquis | grrr |
| 23:37.39 | Maquis | it only took 2+ hours to track down |
| 23:37.58 | levi | C's type system is lame. |
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| 23:38.53 | levi | On the other hand, I just got a fun recursive C function written. |
| 23:39.00 | levi | And debugged, too. |
| 23:39.29 | brailsmt | levi: what is so fun about it? |
| 23:39.48 | levi | brailsmt: It's recursive! Recursion is fun. |
| 23:40.13 | brailsmt | oh, recursion is plain jane if you ask me... |
| 23:40.41 | brailsmt | better for somethings than looping |
| 23:41.01 | levi | It's great for traversing tree structures. |
| 23:41.25 | brailsmt | levi: yeah, and for parsing (same thing really)... |
| 23:41.46 | sjansen | and for gnu software names |
| 23:41.54 | brailsmt | sjansen: which is just annoying |
| 23:41.55 | sjansen | and for lollipops |
| 23:42.00 | levi | This particular one takes a string, like "foo.*.bar.*.1" and pulls out all the matching elements from a tree. |
| 23:42.08 | Maquis | sjansen: lollipops? |
| 23:42.41 | levi | You can also put a * on the end, which will match everything beneath it rather than the single-level wildcards in the earlier example. |
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| 23:42.54 | brailsmt | i wrote one in perl that takes a string of the form 'foo::*->bar->...->baz'... |
| 23:43.01 | brailsmt | it wasn't fun... |
| 23:43.06 | brailsmt | well, first of all, it was perl... |
| 23:43.15 | sjansen | heathen |
| 23:43.36 | brailsmt | 'fun' meaning entertaining |
| 23:43.47 | brailsmt | it wasn't difficult... |
| 23:43.57 | brailsmt | good, now that's cleared up... |
| 23:44.00 | brailsmt | *sigh* |
| 23:45.49 | brailsmt | anyone else fine it really annoying when people overuse a particular language feature... |
| 23:45.55 | brailsmt | s/fine/find |
| 23:46.06 | brailsmt | i do... |
| 23:46.15 | sjansen | brailsmt: I hate articles. |
| 23:46.34 | sjansen | Nasty, useless things really. |
| 23:47.27 | brailsmt | sjansen: i bet you liked the random article generator story on /. then |
| 23:47.34 | brailsmt | i did :) |
| 23:47.48 | levi | brailsmt: I think he meant articles in the grammatical sense. |
| 23:48.55 | brailsmt | guess, i missed it then... |
| 23:49.13 | sjansen | So I'm considering embarking on a mad, quixotic quest to read the entire ConTeXt list archive. |
| 23:49.18 | brailsmt | like english grammar or computer langaue grammar? |
| 23:49.26 | sjansen | Anyone got a good suggestion for note taking software? |
| 23:49.41 | spr | tomboy! |
| 23:49.44 | brailsmt | sjansen: pen v1.0 and paper v2.0 |
| 23:50.12 | sjansen | that doesn't require mono, and that involves digital archival and retrieval |
| 23:50.23 | brailsmt | ok, i'll be dumb... what is an 'article' in the grammatical sense? |
| 23:50.39 | spr | sjansen, :-p |
| 23:50.42 | sjansen | see that thing before 'article'? |
| 23:50.52 | brailsmt | ok, that's what i thought... |
| 23:50.52 | sjansen | spr: too much work to install |
| 23:50.56 | brailsmt | as in indefiniate article |
| 23:51.20 | spr | sjansen, I know. |
| 23:51.35 | spr | You've explained to me your plight of the 64 bit-ed-ness |
| 23:51.55 | findlay | it's participles that we need to stop overusing |
| 23:51.59 | brailsmt | pen and paper are monkey free... |
| 23:52.02 | brailsmt | oh, wait... |
| 23:52.09 | brailsmt | :) |
| 23:52.52 | sjansen | findlay: you're wrong, I occasonally enjoy finding a nice participle to dangle from |
| 23:53.05 | findlay | why are they really a 'language feature' in the first place. can we just use English the way it was intended? |
| 23:54.32 | findlay | the gravitational mass is equivalent to the inertial mass |
| 23:55.51 | brailsmt | english grammar confused me too much in school to bother learning it... |
| 23:56.02 | brailsmt | anyway, off to scouts... |
| 23:56.05 | brailsmt | have fun :) |
