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| 00:25.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Curiouser and curiouser. |
| 00:26.19 | Maquis | *grumble* |
| 00:28.00 | Lone_Wanderer | wherefore grumblest thou, lady? |
| 00:30.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Is Google supposed to not be ping-able? |
| 00:30.49 | sjansen | probably |
| 00:30.58 | sjansen | try buscaluz.org instead |
| 00:31.05 | sjansen | think you can ping yahoo.com also |
| 00:31.18 | byronc | I seem to be able to ping google just fine |
| 00:31.22 | Lone_Wanderer | nothing on buscaluz |
| 00:31.34 | sjansen | You must be inside BYU. |
| 00:31.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not |
| 00:32.04 | sjansen | Must be on another network that considers its user unworthy of ICMP. |
| 00:32.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, this is just cute. Sometimes I can see Google, sometimes I can't. Sometimes I can ping things, sometimes I can't. |
| 00:32.39 | Lone_Wanderer | but my connection here and to a MUD seem to be seamless |
| 00:32.54 | Peregrine | Maybe that network uses Qworst for the ISP. |
| 00:33.38 | Lone_Wanderer | looks like I might need to reboot :( |
| 00:33.43 | Peregrine | Time to go home. |
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| 00:46.38 | Newsome | It looks a lot less lame if you do it all backwards: Avirdnam |
| 00:51.20 | usynic | anyone else having dns weirdities on comcast? |
| 00:54.41 | Newsome | usynic: could be related to this - http://isc.sans.org/diary.php |
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| 01:08.53 | Lone_Wanderer | So, now gaim is working, but web sites still aren't. |
| 01:09.19 | usynic | Lone_Wanderer, add this to your /etc/resolv.conf: |
| 01:09.21 | usynic | nameserver 207.218.192.38 |
| 01:09.22 | usynic | nameserver 207.218.192.39 |
| 01:09.23 | usynic | at the top |
| 01:09.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not on a *nix box |
| 01:09.40 | Newsome | Lone_Wanderer: you have comcast as well? |
| 01:09.45 | Lone_Wanderer | looks like it |
| 01:09.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet I can connect to my mud of choice just fine, too. |
| 01:10.16 | Newsome | Is it DNS, or some routing problem? |
| 01:10.21 | usynic | Lone_Wanderer, well, earlier I was having dns issues with comcast |
| 01:10.23 | Lone_Wanderer | not dns |
| 01:10.39 | Lone_Wanderer | it looked up irc.freenode.net and lensmoor.org just fine |
| 01:10.48 | Lone_Wanderer | oi, here's a thought. try IE. |
| 01:11.04 | Lone_Wanderer | works fine |
| 01:11.25 | Lone_Wanderer | well <fake swear word of choice> |
| 01:11.37 | Lone_Wanderer | hit it with IE and it works, and now Firefox is working too. |
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| 01:36.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. It appears to be sporadic DNS issues. |
| 01:41.17 | LeviHome | Hmm, lukfugl left. Too bad. I know the band Papas Fritas. |
| 01:46.04 | usynic | Lone_Wanderer, yeah, I think something is up on comcast. |
| 01:46.30 | Lone_Wanderer | anyone know of another dns server I can use? |
| 01:47.32 | LeviHome | sjansen: Like google groups, but with an interface you like? |
| 01:47.46 | sjansen | that can be put on the plug server, preferably not php |
| 01:47.52 | LeviHome | sjansen: Ahh. |
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| 01:49.10 | LeviHome | Can't help you there. You going to be pulling a limited usenet feed, or do you want something that pulls articles from a server upon request? |
| 01:49.43 | sjansen | thinking about setting up a mailman <--> usenet gateway |
| 01:49.54 | sjansen | slap a web interface on it and everyone can pick their poison |
| 01:50.43 | LeviHome | Aha. So the only nntp feed would be from the mailing list? |
| 01:50.49 | sjansen | correct |
| 01:53.46 | LeviHome | Would something like gmane work for you? |
| 01:54.33 | sjansen | possibly, going to look closer at the pieces after I've done a survey of everything I can find |
| 01:54.48 | sjansen | has to run on plus server though so that we have total control of security |
| 01:56.03 | usynic | Lone_Wanderer, I send you some earlier. |
| 01:56.19 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhh thank you |
| 01:56.24 | Lone_Wanderer | don't know how I missed those |
| 01:57.19 | usynic | np :) |
| 02:00.46 | LeviHome | sjansen: webnews.sf.net looks like a possibility |
| 02:01.26 | sjansen | it does |
| 02:05.11 | sjansen | looks like gmane and webnews are the best options, although both will require some hacking |
| 02:09.28 | LeviHome | Yeah, the other ones are either heavily biased towards binary groups or are even less featureful than webnews. |
| 02:09.57 | LeviHome | Gmane seems to have a pretty nifty interface. |
| 02:10.14 | LeviHome | Though webnews would probably be easier to get up and running. |
| 02:10.16 | sjansen | I just worried about how tied to one server it is. |
| 02:11.24 | LeviHome | Well, I need to wash all the mud off me from my mountain bike ride. |
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| 02:11.40 | LeviHome | I'm sure they don't like you either. |
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| 02:49.45 | scott | anyone know what's up with Mesa version #s? I apparently have the latest version, 6.2.1, but when I do glxinfo it gives me "1.2 Mesa 6.2.1" What does the 1.2 mean? is that the opengl version #? how do I get 1.3? |
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| 03:08.48 | findlay | why do I have to be such an awful coder? |
| 03:13.03 | Maquis | !@#$%$%%@#@$@%#$ |
| 03:13.55 | findlay | why does c++ always look so wordy? |
| 03:20.14 | Maquis | grrr |
| 03:20.25 | Maquis | why in the world is my roommate going to bed at 9:20????? |
| 03:23.26 | findlay | hey Maquis don't complain about your roomates |
| 03:23.40 | findlay | at least they don't drink coffee and do tobacco |
| 03:23.54 | findlay | and profane gleefully |
| 03:24.07 | findlay | among other things |
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| 03:25.54 | Maquis | findlay: @#$#$% |
| 03:26.52 | findlay | Maquis: ~!@#$%^&*()_+|\=-` |
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| 03:36.58 | Maquis | yet another thing that gcc ought to complain about: |
| 03:37.10 | Maquis | pointerNode == pointerNode->next; |
| 03:37.44 | findlay_ | what? |
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| 03:42.28 | indessed | For file sharing between Linux and OS X, what would you recommend? NFS? Appletalk? Samba? Something else? |
| 03:42.46 | mrpull_ | samba |
| 03:43.19 | mrpull_ | ftp? |
| 03:43.27 | indessed | It just seems wrong to use a Windows filesharing protocol to share between Mac and Linux in a house with no Windows boxes at all. |
| 03:43.43 | indessed | No, I'm looking for something where it's more or less indistinguishable on the OS X box from a local drive. |
| 03:44.57 | mrpull_ | that can be done with ftp |
| 03:45.10 | indessed | how does that work? |
| 03:45.28 | indessed | can OS X mount ftp "volumes"? |
| 03:46.04 | mrpull_ | i did in the past when I used osx |
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| 03:47.35 | rapsure | Has anyone gotten the UVSC registration applet to play nice in Linux? |
| 03:48.40 | findlay | indessed samba is not necessarly a windows solution |
| 03:48.59 | findlay | it is one implementation of what is called CIFS |
| 03:49.15 | findlay | I guess MS came up with that originally, I don't know |
| 03:49.35 | mrpull_ | hrmmm... the FTP support in Finder might still be read only :/ |
| 03:49.38 | findlay | perhaps some kind of automount |
| 03:49.44 | mrpull_ | it's been more than a year since I used OSX |
| 03:49.55 | findlay | nfs or afs |
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| 03:53.05 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 04:00.21 | findlay | how you going to do that brailsmt? |
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| 04:08.13 | findlay | rapsure: it's never worked for me |
| 04:09.42 | findlay | when I talked to them they basically said I had to use IE |
| 04:10.54 | findlay | there are/were other IE specific (b0rk) pages on the UVSC site, though |
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| 04:41.31 | LeviHome | Good evening. |
| 04:44.25 | findlay | evening |
| 04:47.22 | LeviHome | C++ is a pretty verbose language. At least it's not as verbose as Java. |
| 04:47.54 | findlay | but aren't namespaces, etc. supposed to help that? |
| 04:47.56 | LeviHome | Debugging C++ is so much fun! |
| 04:48.08 | LeviHome | In Java? |
| 04:48.26 | findlay | not when gcc starts spewing tempalte messages |
| 04:48.40 | findlay | at least I've discovered -fmessage-length=0 |
| 04:48.41 | LeviHome | Yeah, that's what I was referring to. |
| 04:49.21 | LeviHome | C++ w/templates and g++ = pages of illegible garbage upon errors. |
| 04:49.37 | LeviHome | One of the reasons I was never a big fan of C++. |
| 04:50.07 | findlay | I've read conjectural arguments over simplifications to compiler feedback over templates |
| 04:50.24 | findlay | don't remember why nobody wanted to implement them, though |
| 04:50.43 | findlay | or what they were, actually (: |
| 04:53.58 | LeviHome | Hmm. Oh well. That's for the poor C++ users to deal with. ;) |
| 04:55.58 | hans | ~lart java compiler output |
| 04:57.42 | LeviHome | I like templates too, when I'm forced to use C++. |
| 04:58.08 | LeviHome | But the error messages you get while using them are truly revolting. |
| 04:58.16 | LeviHome | hans: What's wrong with java compiler output? |
| 04:58.52 | findlay | you don't find c++ an amenable language to any given situation? |
| 04:59.10 | findlay | as much as some other language? |
| 05:04.37 | LeviHome | Well, it probably is useful in some situations, but I haven't come across them in a while. |
| 05:05.19 | LeviHome | I thought about using it for my current embedded project at work, but getting C++ to work with our device was too painful. |
| 05:06.26 | LeviHome | I know the features that C++ has above C about as well as I know Lisp now, so I probably wouldn't use C++ for any hobby program. |
| 05:06.39 | LeviHome | If it made sense to use it at work, I would. |
| 05:07.11 | findlay | what about ocaml? |
| 05:07.50 | LeviHome | I don't know ocaml very well, but I'd like to learn it at some point. |
| 05:08.59 | LeviHome | It would make sense to use ocaml at work less than C++, since coworkers are likely to be more familiar with C++. |
| 05:11.35 | findlay | what devices to you write drivers for? |
| 05:14.13 | LeviHome | None right now. But earlier I wrote drivers for a keypad and i2c-based temperature probes. |
| 05:14.26 | LeviHome | If by 'driver' you mean a kernel driver. |
| 05:14.43 | LeviHome | If you mean firmware, then I write firmware for cluster management devices. |
| 05:16.38 | findlay | whatever that means |
| 05:16.50 | LeviHome | Hmm. Well, did my answer satisfy you? |
| 05:16.56 | findlay | I guess |
| 05:18.41 | hans | LeviHome: too verbose, and (at least when I was using java) not easy to parse (multi-line, etc.) |
| 05:19.39 | LeviHome | hans: Well, it's got to be better than g++'s template error messages. :) |
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| 05:20.45 | hans | LeviHome: true, but in that case at least you know you have a template error and go fix it, then you're back to sane errors. |
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| 05:26.07 | LeviHome | I wish my eMac was not so noisy. |
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| 05:47.07 | LeviHome | It's rather different than most OO approaches. |
| 06:00.21 | Maquis | amcnabb: what are you doing on here tonight? |
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| 06:13.27 | amcnabb | maquis: I'm just doing homework. Maybe #utah will give me inspiration. Who knows--it could happen. |
| 06:13.42 | levi-laptop | What kind of homework? |
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| 06:37.35 | amcnabb | History of Creativity project |
| 06:37.48 | amcnabb | It's actually pretty fun. |
| 06:37.48 | levi-laptop | Oh, fun. What're you doing it on? |
| 06:38.40 | amcnabb | I'm doing "Some Modest Proposals" sort of in the style of Jonathon Swift. |
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| 07:37.31 | levi-laptop | I did a program as my Hist of Creativity project. |
| 07:55.08 | levi-laptop | I like white backgrounds. |
| 07:55.27 | levi-laptop | Perhaps your brightness is too high? |
| 07:55.58 | levi-laptop | Anyway, I just wrote methods that transform my blog entry objects to html. Woo! |
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| 07:57.32 | levi-laptop | Now I just need to create some hooks into the web server code, create a basic template for the site, and I'll have a basic blog server written in Common Lisp. :) |
| 07:57.38 | levi-laptop | Now it's time to sleep. |
| 08:01.52 | Maquis | gnight levi-laptop |
| 08:02.12 | Maquis | levi-laptop: my brightness is pretty low |
| 08:02.17 | Maquis | but the room is completely dark |
| 08:02.22 | Maquis | my roommate is trying to sleep |
| 08:02.32 | Maquis | and i keep dark backgrounds... they are easier for me... |
| 08:03.23 | Maquis | when i got a new monitor for my desktop (i'm on my laptop now), i turned the brightness as low as it would go, and it still seemed very jarring after having worked only on my laptop for so long... |
| 08:15.55 | xbmodder-lappy | i am bored/sleepy |
| 08:38.41 | Lone_Wanderer | irc needs a timestamp on messages so I can see how long ago someone said something and know whether a response at this time would be appropriate, or whether I'm horribly, outrageously late to the party. |
| 11:07.15 | emcnabb__ | Lone_Wanderer, my IRC client (xchat) has timestamps |
| 11:07.40 | Lone_Wanderer | chatzilla probably does too. can't be arsed to turn 'em on though |
| 11:10.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Look at that. Right there in the open, very bottom of the view menu. |
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| 13:56.12 | brailsmt | where can i get source for sed? |
| 13:57.10 | brailsmt | found it... |
| 13:57.13 | brailsmt | sed.sf.net |
| 13:58.44 | levi | Lone_Wanderer: I just reply, and if someone responds, great! |
| 14:05.28 | dataw0lf|w | I'm getting a X11 connected because of wrong authentication. The user has an .Xauthority file. |
| 14:06.29 | dataw0lf|w | doh, $DISPLAY isn't set. |
| 14:06.55 | dataw0lf|w | nevermind, it is. |
| 14:06.57 | dataw0lf|w | Bah. |
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| 14:23.08 | dataw0lf|w | I can run the program as root, but not as a normal user. |
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| 14:43.57 | bigdog_ut | help |
| 14:44.20 | bigdog_ut | mornin' all |
| 14:46.00 | hans | help? |
| 14:47.26 | bigdog_ut | messing with a plugin...and it worked like i thought |
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| 14:50.17 | vontrapp | yay for snow |
| 14:50.19 | vontrapp | and rain |
| 14:50.22 | vontrapp | rain down here |
| 14:50.25 | vontrapp | snow up there |
| 14:50.28 | bigdog_ut | rain here |
| 15:05.39 | hans | ~lart vontrapp for having fun |
| 15:06.06 | levi | Stupid rain. Stupid snow. |
| 15:06.11 | levi | I want more warm days! |
| 15:06.56 | vontrapp | there will be plenty of warm days ahead where i have to drive all over with both windows down and still overheating |
| 15:07.27 | vontrapp | i'm in no hurry |
| 15:07.37 | hans | there will be plenty of warm days ahead for me when I go to las cruces |
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| 15:32.40 | jsmith | My fingers obviously aren't working today |
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| 15:34.17 | bonez39 | what does one type to list all the various groups with permissions on a system? |
| 15:39.22 | orbit | getent group? |
| 15:40.33 | bigdog_ut | that is the one |
| 15:40.54 | bigdog_ut | a great little command |
| 15:41.16 | dataw0lf|w | http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/04/08/1213250.shtml?tid=162&tid=121&tid=106 |
| 15:41.19 | dataw0lf|w | ah jea. |
| 15:42.00 | bigdog_ut | that is nice |
| 15:42.12 | bigdog_ut | i do have ubuntu though...so i am not that bad |
| 15:42.24 | bigdog_ut | hey anyone here want to buy a laptop? |
| 15:42.31 | dataw0lf|w | specs? |
| 15:42.33 | levi | What kind of laptop? |
| 15:42.35 | bigdog_ut | anyone here really good with wireless nics? |
| 15:42.39 | jsmith | Price? |
| 15:42.50 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: I've had *some* experience -- why? |
| 15:42.53 | bigdog_ut | gateway |
| 15:42.56 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: really good sofar as what? setting them up on Linux, drivers, what? |
| 15:43.20 | bigdog_ut | is there a way to see what networks are available? |
| 15:43.28 | dataw0lf|w | in Linux? |
| 15:43.31 | dataw0lf|w | iwscan or some such. |
| 15:43.44 | bigdog_ut | specs on laptop: 3.04ghz p4, 1gig ram, ati radeon 9700, 80gig hd |
| 15:43.52 | orbit | iwlist scanning |
| 15:43.57 | orbit | I think |
| 15:44.02 | bigdog_ut | orbit, no work for me |
| 15:44.02 | dataw0lf|w | iwscan list |
| 15:44.08 | bigdog_ut | let me see that one |
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| 15:44.37 | sjansen | http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200504/s1341052.htm |
| 15:45.03 | levi | bigdog_ut: Sounds nicer than I want to pay for. :) |
| 15:45.40 | bigdog_ut | 17" widescreen or 19" cant remember |
| 15:45.50 | bigdog_ut | wireless nic |
| 15:46.17 | bigdog_ut | i need to get the model number...but it is at home |
| 15:46.23 | bigdog_ut | only $1600 |
| 15:47.18 | levi | Good price for that, but it sounds bigger than what I want. |
| 15:47.45 | bigdog_ut | yeah it is nice...and it has a full key board |
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| 15:51.34 | emcnabb-treo | at least I can get on IRC over my phone |
| 15:51.48 | bigdog_ut | now that is cool |
| 15:52.20 | levi | bigdog_ut: I really want a 12" Mac laptop of some sort. |
| 15:52.38 | bigdog_ut | i almost got a 14" but went with the pentium |
| 15:52.42 | levi | To replace my Vaio Picturebook. |
| 15:52.48 | sjansen | http://www.kcpw.org/ |
| 15:53.03 | sjansen | Last day to donate folks. |
| 15:53.09 | levi | So, although there's little screen real-estate on a 12" Mac, there's quite a bit more than on my Picturebook. :) |
| 15:53.35 | bigdog_ut | levi, i want to get a 17" powerbook |
| 15:53.59 | hans | bigdog_ut: I want to get a honda shadow |
| 15:54.00 | levi | I like my laptops to be small and light. |
| 15:54.19 | hans | same here. portability is the key |
| 15:54.32 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 15:54.39 | levi | If I want a big screen, I can sit at a desk. |
| 15:54.43 | bigdog_ut | it depends..i guess if i took it every where then i would |
| 15:55.05 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have a 19" flat that i love |
| 15:55.08 | emcnabb-treo | here's a funny story that just happened to me |
| 15:55.39 | emcnabb-treo | I'm teaching in a large east coast financial organization... |
| 15:56.01 | emcnabb-treo | this morning the security team knocks on my door |
| 15:56.27 | hans | like Men in Black security guys? |
| 15:56.27 | emcnabb-treo | they say there is a virus on our subnet sending out bad traffic |
| 15:57.09 | emcnabb-treo | I say all the machines in the room run linux and linux doesn't really have "viruses" |
| 15:58.01 | emcnabb-treo | so I ask what type os traffic it was and they don't know, but will gwt back to me soon |
| 15:58.13 | dataw0lf|w | did they say 'Linux IS a virus!!' ? |
| 15:58.23 | emcnabb-treo | mean while they pull my net coonection for the room |
| 15:59.08 | dataw0lf|w | it sounds like your security team over there is top notch. |
| 15:59.28 | emcnabb-treo | they come back later and asked if someone had installed a windows emulator on one of the machines |
| 15:59.33 | emcnabb-treo | I say no |
| 16:00.05 | emcnabb-treo | they come back later and said it was coming over port 6667 |
| 16:00.18 | levi | hans: Here's a much better introduction to Smalltalk syntax than mine: http://www.jera.com/techinfo/readingSmalltalk.pdf |
| 16:00.26 | emcnabb-treo | it turns out it was xchat on my laptop trying to get out |
| 16:00.29 | bigdog_ut | emcnabb-treo, that is one hell of a virus |
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| 16:01.13 | dataw0lf|w | hehe, a windows emulator. |
| 16:01.17 | dataw0lf|w | what a bunch of idiots. |
| 16:01.26 | emcnabb-treo | three hours later our connection to the outside world was restored |
| 16:02.17 | emcnabb-treo | I guess they're just very paranoid |
| 16:02.35 | orbit | You'd think a "security team" would know what port 6667 is |
| 16:03.00 | bigdog_ut | but they are windows network guys |
| 16:03.17 | dataw0lf|w | their idea of security is installing the latest security pack and enabling the 'firewall' on Windows machines. |
| 16:03.20 | hans | hehe, evan is a virus |
| 16:03.29 | hans | trying to get to that derned irc |
| 16:03.37 | emcnabb-treo | some viruses do start IRC daemons |
| 16:03.58 | hans | some use http too |
| 16:04.20 | emcnabb-treo | ~lart hans |
| 16:04.41 | emcnabb-treo | much better :-) |
| 16:04.51 | orbit | I've seen DDOS programs that use IRC channels to send commands to their minions |
| 16:05.48 | dataw0lf|w | Sure, there are viruses that use IRC outbound. |
| 16:05.50 | emcnabb-treo | the thing is xchat was trying to start up for only 3 minutes |
| 16:06.01 | emcnabb-treo | not much traffic was generated |
| 16:06.02 | Maquis | emcnabb-treo: nice to see you this morning online :) |
| 16:06.15 | emcnabb-treo | yeah |
| 16:06.19 | emcnabb-treo | only |
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| 16:06.29 | dataw0lf|w | emcnabb-treo: exactly what I was about to say, viruses that do do that leave rather specific footprints. |
| 16:06.31 | emcnabb-treo | 80 is allowed out |
| 16:06.46 | Maquis | i kind of dozed off around 4 |
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| 16:07.12 | emcnabb-treo | http out is usually the only thing allowed out at major companies |
| 16:08.09 | sjansen | naughty emcnabb-treo trying to setup IRC so that he can admin his bot net when he gets back to the hotel |
| 16:08.17 | dataw0lf|w | well, that and 25 or whichever. |
| 16:08.31 | vontrapp | who was asking about wirelesS? |
| 16:08.38 | vontrapp | it is 'iwlist scan' |
| 16:09.07 | vontrapp | and i recommend waproamd |
| 16:09.14 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
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| 16:09.15 | emcnabb-treo | 25 is only allowed out if you relay through their mail server |
| 16:09.17 | dataw0lf|w | there is a iwlist scan and a iwscan list |
| 16:09.29 | sjansen | how about smtps? |
| 16:09.32 | vontrapp | not for me |
| 16:09.43 | vontrapp | iwscan: command not found |
| 16:09.59 | dataw0lf|w | depends on the distro. |
| 16:10.15 | sjansen | imaps? |
| 16:10.18 | vontrapp | apt-cache search turned up nada for iwscan |
| 16:10.31 | dataw0lf|w | Again. Distro. |
| 16:10.34 | emcnabb-treo | imap, pop, irc, ssh and all IM protocols are blocked here |
| 16:10.44 | emcnabb-treo | imaps is |
| 16:10.45 | dataw0lf|w | !google iwscan list |
| 16:10.52 | jsmith | emcnabb-treo: web-to-IRC gateway? |
| 16:10.53 | synic | emcnabb-treo: there's always jabber80.com |
| 16:10.58 | vontrapp | re: the laptop discussion. I got a biggy because it's my main computer, i don't have a falcon at home with a 20" monitor |
| 16:11.03 | emcnabb-treo | only web based email this week |
| 16:11.27 | synic | emcnabb-treo: and with jabber, you can register for gateways - even IRC. |
| 16:11.31 | emcnabb-treo | I should try a jabber proxy |
| 16:11.35 | emcnabb-treo | good idea |
| 16:11.51 | Newsome | try: iwlist scan |
| 16:12.43 | emcnabb-treo | and I'm in the middle of a HUGE building, so no cell phone access for 200 ft or so |
| 16:12.52 | emcnabb-treo | I'm at lunch right now |
| 16:13.23 | vontrapp | emcnabb-treo: wow, where is this place of extreme inconvenience? |
| 16:13.45 | emcnabb-treo | can't say |
| 16:13.54 | dataw0lf|w | <emcnabb-treo> I'm teaching in a large east coast financial organization... |
| 16:13.54 | emcnabb-treo | it's in the boston area |
| 16:13.58 | jsmith | emcnabb-treo: You could always convince someone to setup ssh on on port 80 somewhere, and tunnel through that... |
| 16:14.00 | Maquis | emcnabb-treo: is it as bad as goo's? |
| 16:14.58 | emcnabb-treo | goo has no net access at work, but I think he has cell phone access |
| 16:15.11 | Maquis | emcnabb-treo: yeah... |
| 16:15.20 | Maquis | he doesn't have internet in the hotel either... |
| 16:15.20 | emcnabb-treo | I do have web access though |
| 16:15.25 | vontrapp | emcnabb-treo: any high range custom type ports open? |
| 16:15.36 | emcnabb-treo | I do have that |
| 16:15.36 | hans | emcnabb-treo: just set up an ssh tunnel |
| 16:16.06 | sjansen | you're assuming 80 isn't proxied or filtered |
| 16:16.13 | emcnabb-treo | no ssh access. I guess I could tunnel it over 80 |
| 16:16.29 | emcnabb-treo | it goes through a proxy |
| 16:16.37 | emcnabb-treo | I doubt it would wok |
| 16:16.43 | vontrapp | does it still connect? |
| 16:16.50 | vontrapp | if ssh connects, the tunnel works |
| 16:16.59 | emcnabb-treo | it doesn't |
| 16:17.05 | emcnabb-treo | over 22 |
| 16:17.13 | emcnabb-treo | probably not over 80 |
| 16:17.22 | vontrapp | what's the point of proxying ssh if it doesn't work? |
| 16:17.47 | vontrapp | just block it in that case |
| 16:17.53 | emcnabb-treo | they are proxying http traffic |
| 16:18.45 | emcnabb-treo | I may stop by the FSF offices tomorrow when I go downtown |
| 16:19.01 | Maquis | emcnabb-treo: where are the FSF offices? |
| 16:19.07 | emcnabb-treo | it will probably be closed though |
| 16:19.12 | emcnabb-treo | Boston |
| 16:19.49 | emcnabb-treo | maybe Stallman sleeps there like he used to do in the MIT labs |
| 16:19.50 | Maquis | oh... right |
| 16:19.52 | bigdog_ut | okay, back the wireless question |
| 16:20.02 | bigdog_ut | i ran the iwlist eth1 scanning and it no workie |
| 16:20.10 | emcnabb-treo | ok... got to go |
| 16:20.12 | emcnabb-treo | ttyl |
| 16:20.16 | Maquis | bye emcnabb-treo |
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| 16:21.11 | vontrapp | bigdog_ut: iwlist scan eth1 |
| 16:21.34 | bigdog_ut | error with iwlist |
| 16:21.44 | bigdog_ut | iwlist: unknown command eth1 |
| 16:22.03 | bigdog_ut | i did iwlist eth1 scan |
| 16:22.16 | bigdog_ut | that says interface does not support scanning |
| 16:22.16 | vontrapp | iwlist scan eth1 |
| 16:22.29 | vontrapp | what is your wireless interface? |
| 16:22.32 | bigdog_ut | eth1 |
| 16:22.56 | vontrapp | iwconfig |
| 16:23.04 | vontrapp | what does that tell you about essid? |
| 16:23.11 | bigdog_ut | it is set to wlan |
| 16:24.34 | bigdog_ut | vontrapp, should i unset the essid? |
| 16:24.52 | vontrapp | what kind of card do you have? are you using ndiswrapper? |
| 16:25.24 | bigdog_ut | ms card (MN) no ndiswrapper installed |
| 16:25.57 | vontrapp | so you have linux drivers |
| 16:26.35 | bigdog_ut | yep, and it works fine to connect when i set the card...but i am wondering how you can find out what networks are broadcasting |
| 16:27.46 | vontrapp | so the first line of iwconfig eth1 is eth1 IEEE 802.11? ESSID:"wlan" ? |
| 16:28.01 | bigdog_ut | yep...let me grad it exactly |
| 16:28.33 | bigdog_ut | eth1 IEEE 802.11-DS ESSID:"WLAN" Nickname:"work" |
| 16:28.37 | xbmodder | lol |
| 16:28.50 | vontrapp | hmm, never seen Nickname: before |
| 16:29.06 | bigdog_ut | iwconfig eth1 nick "<nickname>" |
| 16:29.06 | vontrapp | anyway, what does Mode: say? |
| 16:29.10 | bigdog_ut | ad-hoc |
| 16:29.18 | bigdog_ut | Mode: Ad-Hoc |
| 16:29.46 | vontrapp | that's wierd that it says it doesn't support scanning |
| 16:30.31 | bigdog_ut | you think i should use ndiswrapper |
| 16:30.44 | vontrapp | no |
| 16:31.01 | vontrapp | ndiswrapper is for retarded cards that have no linux drivers |
| 16:31.36 | bigdog_ut | gotcha |
| 16:32.03 | vontrapp | i asked if you were using it because sometimes i get 'scanning not supported' when the stupid thing automatically locks me into some essid |
| 16:32.36 | bigdog_ut | i set the essid...does it need to be set to scan? |
| 16:32.41 | vontrapp | no |
| 16:33.08 | vontrapp | nor does it need to be not set |
| 16:34.10 | bigdog_ut | it should be on ad-hoc right? |
| 16:36.11 | hans | sweet! today's friday! |
| 16:36.17 | vontrapp | probably not |
| 16:36.28 | vontrapp | it's probably tuesday in disguise |
| 16:36.33 | lukfugl | no, Von, Hans is right. It is Friday |
| 16:36.57 | vontrapp | i was just playing with the fortunate placement of that probably not, it was really for bigdog_ut |
| 16:37.19 | lukfugl | vontrapp: the thing is I started typing that response before your pun came across |
| 16:37.26 | lukfugl | so we were thinking along the same lines :) |
| 16:38.28 | vontrapp | ad-hoc is really rarely used |
| 16:38.39 | vontrapp | it's only for connecting two computers directly |
| 16:38.45 | vontrapp | think of it like a crossover connection |
| 16:38.49 | bigdog_ut | k |
| 16:42.55 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:45.52 | brailsmt | that love is mitigated by the fact that this perl... |
| 16:45.55 | brailsmt | *sigh* |
| 16:46.28 | Jayce^ | mmmmm... new perl code :) |
| 16:47.24 | levi | I love designing new code. Actually writing it isn't quite as enjoyable for me, but is sometimes quite fun, depending on how much time I'm coding and how much I'm fighting the language I'm using. |
| 16:48.03 | brailsmt | levi: you have developed quite the lisp :) |
| 16:48.17 | dataw0lf|w | How often do you rewrite Perl code? |
| 16:48.28 | dataw0lf|w | answer: every day until you rewrite the app in Python. |
| 16:48.37 | Jayce^ | ewww |
| 16:48.38 | brailsmt | not as often as this ode needs it... |
| 16:48.39 | dataw0lf|w | god, I kill myself. |
| 16:49.03 | levi | brailsmt: Eh? Are you referring to my recent Lisp advocacy? |
| 16:49.04 | Jayce^ | don't let us stop you :) |
| 16:49.13 | brailsmt | levi: yes |
| 16:49.17 | levi | Ahh. |
| 16:49.22 | brailsmt | dataw0lf|w: you have a webcam up where we can watch? |
| 16:49.26 | dataw0lf|w | Jayce^: <insert retort here> |
| 16:49.27 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:49.33 | dataw0lf|w | brailsmt: your mom isn't here yet. |
| 16:49.36 | dataw0lf|w | oooh, burn. |
| 16:49.52 | brailsmt | dataw0lf|w: i hope not, she died last year |
| 16:49.58 | Jayce^ | python: seppuku for the soul |
| 16:50.00 | levi | Well, even writing Lisp is less enjoyable when I'm spending more time looking stuff up than coding. But I'd much rather be doing the lookup for Lisp than Perl, at least right now. :) |
| 16:50.03 | dataw0lf|w | no wonder she hasn't shown up. |
| 16:50.19 | brailsmt | python sucks |
| 16:50.21 | dataw0lf|w | Perl: even the designer hates it! |
| 16:50.34 | brailsmt | perl sucks too |
| 16:50.42 | Jayce^ | Perl: even ruby's designer loves it :) |
| 16:50.44 | synic | ruby fope lyfe |
| 16:50.45 | brailsmt | though i prefer perl to python |
| 16:50.54 | dataw0lf|w | of course you do. |
| 16:50.56 | brailsmt | ruby rocks |
| 16:51.04 | Jayce^ | ruby is a 2nd :P |
| 16:51.05 | dataw0lf|w | you have a line of drool coming from the side of your mouth, btw. |
| 16:51.17 | synic | haha. |
| 16:51.23 | levi | Smalltalk rocks. Ruby is an acceptable substitute if you can't get away from Algol biases. :) |
| 16:51.49 | dataw0lf|w | Smalltalk is nice. |
| 16:51.51 | brailsmt | ruby is a better perl6 than perl 6... |
| 16:51.52 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:51.53 | dataw0lf|w | so is Ruby. |
| 16:52.01 | brailsmt | oh wait, perl6 isn't here yet... |
| 16:52.07 | Jayce^ | sure it is :) |
| 16:52.07 | brailsmt | my bad |
| 16:52.13 | Jayce^ | well, most of it :) |
| 16:52.21 | lukfugl | Jayce^: ruby is a 2nd what? |
| 16:52.27 | brailsmt | 2nd choice |
| 16:52.27 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, you seen the new drink of choice |
| 16:52.28 | Jayce^ | second choice in scripting |
| 16:52.32 | bigdog_ut | kronike? |
| 16:52.33 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: tequila? |
| 16:52.39 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: kronike? |
| 16:52.39 | lukfugl | ruby is first, perl second :) |
| 16:52.46 | Jayce^ | switch that :) |
| 16:52.54 | levi | Ruby beats Smalltalk for scripting, I must admit. |
| 16:52.54 | lukfugl | unfortunately, I'm forced to work in the second. |
| 16:52.57 | bigdog_ut | python, ruby, bash, zsh, perl |
| 16:52.59 | dataw0lf|w | Perl is marginally better than Java. |
| 16:52.59 | brailsmt | C/C++ first, ruby second, perl distant third... |
| 16:53.01 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:53.20 | dataw0lf|w | Python, bash, C... waitaminute, that's it. |
| 16:53.27 | brailsmt | lukfugl: same here, though third in my vcase... |
| 16:53.36 | levi | But hey, there's always scsh for scripting. ;) |
| 16:53.42 | Jayce^ | python and php seem to fight over who is slightly better than java, without being good |
| 16:53.49 | Jayce^ | scsh? |
| 16:53.50 | brailsmt | i have to do a bunch of ksh scripting here... |
| 16:53.55 | brailsmt | ugh |
| 16:53.55 | bigdog_ut | Jayce^, now that is the truth |
| 16:53.56 | levi | Jayce^: scheme shell |
| 16:54.08 | bigdog_ut | brailsmt, csh here man |
| 16:54.22 | Jayce^ | levi, ahh... guess I should have expected :) guess I need to suggest psh then :) |
| 16:54.38 | brailsmt | csh would be better than using crappy ksh on proprietary unixes... |
| 16:54.47 | dataw0lf|w | you never realize how much you love your shell until it's gone. |
| 16:54.57 | lukfugl | python could be good, but the syntactical whitespace always gets in the way for me |
| 16:55.00 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 16:55.14 | dataw0lf|w | lukfugl; the enforced tabbing / whitespace rocks once you get used to it. |
| 16:55.15 | brailsmt | first command i run when i log on to a solaris machine: bash -o vi |
| 16:55.15 | lukfugl | I really have no other complaints about python except that |
| 16:55.15 | brailsmt | :) |
| 16:55.16 | levi | I think php has grown into an acceptably powerful language, but it rivals Perl in ugliness. |
| 16:55.17 | dataw0lf|w | which is about an hour. |
| 16:55.28 | Jayce^ | I have a lot of trouble reading python, and I've tried |
| 16:55.33 | dataw0lf|w | levi: I'd say it's ugly, but it isn't as ugly as Perl. |
| 16:55.37 | jsmith | Jayce^: Finally, something we agree on! |
| 16:55.40 | levi | lukfugl: BTW, I am familiar with Papas Fritas. |
| 16:56.02 | lukfugl | levi: do you like them? |
| 16:56.03 | Jayce^ | php, Perl syntax, but sans the useful namespaces, and munged into html :) |
| 16:56.03 | brailsmt | me gustan las papas fritas |
| 16:56.08 | lukfugl | one of my favorite bands |
| 16:56.08 | bigdog_ut | levi, oh yea |
| 16:56.32 | levi | lukfugl: I liked one of their albums, but the others I heard didn't do much for me. |
| 16:57.04 | lukfugl | Jayce^: though I'm by no means a PHP advocate, php has classes, while perl has.... blessed refs? :) |
| 16:57.13 | dataw0lf|w | bigdog_ut: you forgot to remind me to call my girlfriend. |
| 16:57.32 | levi | I recently discovered php's anonymous function constructor. |
| 16:57.35 | brailsmt | cat /dev/urandom > report.pl |
| 16:57.35 | bigdog_ut | but you remembered |
| 16:57.37 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, yes, and more in the latest version, but it still depends heavily on a very polluted main namespace |
| 16:57.38 | brailsmt | that was hard... |
| 16:57.50 | lukfugl | Jayce^: not disputing that :) |
| 16:57.54 | bigdog_ut | levi, so anonymous it doesnt exist |
| 16:58.02 | levi | bigdog_ut: Yes it does. |
| 16:58.10 | bigdog_ut | messing w/ ya |
| 16:58.12 | levi | It's create_function() or something. |
| 16:58.14 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, that's the essence of my argument, that and the fact that most php programmers don't actually make use of it |
| 16:58.44 | levi | The first arg is... a string. That string contains the args for your anonymous function. The second arg is... a string. Which contains the body of your function. |
| 16:58.44 | lukfugl | like I said, I'm not advocating PHP, just wish perl had proper classes |
| 16:58.55 | levi | I gagged. |
| 16:59.06 | lukfugl | so it's a disguised eval |
| 16:59.07 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, perl6 :) |
| 16:59.10 | lukfugl | whee |
| 16:59.24 | dataw0lf|w | perl6 has proper OOP... yeah, right. |
| 16:59.28 | lukfugl | I'm scared I won't get to use perl6 once it's out though (for work, anyways) |
| 16:59.33 | Jayce^ | I really enjoy perl5 classes, but recognize the things that perl6 is fixing |
| 16:59.59 | levi | There are all sorts of languages I love that I don't get to use for work. I'm stuck with C! |
| 17:00.09 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, sure, following the migration plan, using ponie, it'll make it extremely easy to convert from 5 to 6, because they can interoperate in the vm |
| 17:00.48 | lukfugl | except I don't get to choose what version of perl5 is on here, let alone choose whether to start using the pnie |
| 17:00.56 | Jayce^ | dataw0lf|w yes it does, what would you contest, that python has proper OOP (discuss that with brailsmt sometime) |
| 17:01.18 | dataw0lf|w | I never said that. |
| 17:01.24 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, well, ponie will be 5.10 (5.9.2 came out this week), and will be quite good |
| 17:01.33 | dataw0lf|w | Smalltalk has proper OOP. Ruby does it decently well too. |
| 17:01.35 | Jayce^ | so standard migration |
| 17:02.23 | lukfugl | my problem with perl5 "OOP" is that the methods aren't really bound to the object in any way aside from the auto-lookup due to the blessing |
| 17:02.32 | spr | does php have a conveinant function for getting environment variables when run as a shell script? |
| 17:02.36 | levi | Try coming up with a universally accepted definition of 'proper OOP', anyway. |
| 17:02.50 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, correct, very loose... that can be 'fun' though |
| 17:03.03 | Jayce^ | but it's orthagonal with perl5's methodology |
| 17:03.05 | lukfugl | I could write $objOfClassA->B::methodFromB |
| 17:03.24 | bigdog_ut | spr, yes |
| 17:03.25 | levi | lukfugl: What's wrong with not binding methods to objects? |
| 17:03.29 | Jayce^ | lukfugl, correct, it won't stop you, but that's a very poor decision :) |
| 17:03.34 | lukfugl | yes, it can be fun. But it requires the use of $self-> all over the place inside the function |
| 17:03.49 | levi | CLOS methods aren't bound to objects either. |
| 17:04.09 | levi | They're bound to generic functions, which can dispatch on more than one object. |
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| 17:05.01 | levi | No more 'friend' or other such weirdness required to get methods to work based on two different types of objects. |
| 17:09.20 | spr | bigdog_ut, and it would be? |
| 17:09.58 | bigdog_ut | spr, what vars are you trying to get? |
| 17:10.37 | spr | just some environment variables that are being set by the program that'll call the script. |
| 17:11.16 | bigdog_ut | spr, http://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.php#reserved.variables.environment $_ENV |
| 17:11.27 | bigdog_ut | and check yoru php.ini file too |
| 17:12.04 | spr | k, thanks |
| 17:12.45 | bigdog_ut | spr, np |
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| 17:36.49 | Bradipo | Anyone know how to return control back to expect after using ``interact''? |
| 17:41.53 | vontrapp | viewing xpm files in gvim is cool |
| 17:42.44 | Bradipo | vontrapp: Is it the C variable type? |
| 17:43.08 | vontrapp | x pixel map |
| 17:43.15 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 17:43.24 | Bradipo | But an xpm can be defined as a C variable. |
| 17:43.32 | vontrapp | yes, yes it can |
| 17:43.52 | vontrapp | static char * name[] = { image data } |
| 17:43.59 | Bradipo | So, does gvim display it differently from say vi? |
| 17:44.07 | vontrapp | try it out :) |
| 17:44.21 | Bradipo | Well, I'm not going to install vim just for an xpm. :-) |
| 17:44.36 | Bradipo | I believe it colorizes each one differently eh? |
| 17:44.39 | hans | Bradipo: it shows you the file, naturally, but colors each "pixel" |
| 17:44.47 | brailsmt | Bradipo: yes, gvim colors the xpm, so you see the xpm in the file |
| 17:44.50 | hans | so you can see what the thing actually looks like. |
| 17:44.51 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 17:45.00 | Bradipo | That's what I thought. |
| 17:47.25 | brailsmt | if I have a nested hash, say $foo{bar}{baz} and I had an array of values that I want to make the keys of the 'baz' hash, how would I do it/ I have @foo{bar}{baz}{@array} = 0; but I get syntax errors... |
| 17:47.31 | brailsmt | perl btw |
| 17:48.10 | vontrapp | use map, i would presume |
| 17:49.35 | lukfugl | $foo{bar}{baz} = { map { $_, 1 } @array }; ? |
| 17:50.06 | lukfugl | or anything else in place of 1, e.g 0 or undef |
| 17:50.11 | brailsmt | do I need to use a tmp hash %hsh = %{$foo{bar}{baz}}, and then @tmp{@array} = 0; |
| 17:51.17 | orbit | $foo{bar}{baz}[0] = or something like that, maybe? (quick guess without checking...) |
| 17:51.30 | orbit | Or ($foo{bar}{baz})[0] |
| 17:51.35 | vontrapp | what lukfugl said will work |
| 17:51.47 | lukfugl | brailsmt: the usage is a little confusing.. maybe a more concrete example? |
| 17:53.08 | lukfugl | I believe for "readability" you could even replace $_, 1 with $_ => 1 in the map statement, since as far as I've been able to determine , and => are interchangeable in perl |
| 17:53.09 | vontrapp | as i understand, you want the equivelant of $foo{bar}{baz}{each value in @array} = 0 |
| 17:53.58 | jsmith | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/04/ms_relocates_switzerland/ |
| 17:54.31 | brailsmt | vontrapp: yes that is what i want... |
| 17:55.15 | hans | jsmith: :) |
| 17:55.23 | brailsmt | undef %saw; |
| 17:55.23 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.28 | brailsmt | thatis from perldoc... |
| 17:55.39 | lukfugl | just tested, this works: $foo{bar}{baz} = { map { $_ => 0 } @array } |
| 17:55.43 | brailsmt | but that isn't woring either... |
| 17:56.48 | lukfugl | needs the outside braces (around the map) because you're assigning a hashref to the 'baz' key, not just a hash |
| 17:56.54 | brailsmt | got it... |
| 17:56.57 | lukfugl | hash values can only be scalars |
| 17:57.40 | vontrapp | is there something like irb for perl? |
| 17:58.02 | lukfugl | and one thing I recently learned is that hash keys can only be strings. You can use non-strings for creating the hash, indexing it, etc. but they're just stringified |
| 17:58.04 | vontrapp | rain on, sky, rain on |
| 17:58.07 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.09 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.21 | lukfugl | that work? |
| 17:58.27 | brailsmt | yup... |
| 17:58.31 | lukfugl | cool |
| 17:58.48 | brailsmt | perldoc -q duplicate |
| 17:58.54 | lukfugl | does that set the value for each key to 0 or undef? |
| 17:59.04 | brailsmt | that gives you the example of how to populate a hash from an array quickly |
| 17:59.08 | brailsmt | undef |
| 17:59.38 | brailsmt | i just need the hash for the uniqueness quality of the keys, i don't care about the values.. |
| 18:00.32 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 18:01.23 | brailsmt | there goes ibot with incredibly lame larts again... |
| 18:02.24 | vontrapp | ~lart ibot |
| 18:03.56 | brailsmt | of course this data has to be more complex than just a single leve hash.... GRRR |
| 18:04.11 | lukfugl | I thought ibot had a self-lart prevention mechanism? |
| 18:04.41 | brailsmt | it did, but it stopped working... |
| 18:05.33 | brailsmt | so, for all that asking about the hash stuff, i gotta do it in a loop myself anyway... |
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| 18:21.28 | hans | lukfugl: no, brigham did |
| 18:21.36 | hans | ibot knows about lart me |
| 18:21.55 | lukfugl | ok |
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| 19:04.05 | bbeattie | Anyone filled a tax form for a stock dividend? I got one this year and will be doing taxes myself and just wanted to get some quick tips if anyone has.. |
| 19:04.33 | bbeattie | which form mostly.. or if can be included on a 10-ez |
| 19:08.08 | jsmith | bbeattie: Most stock stuff needs the 1099-DIV forms... if I'm remembering correctly. |
| 19:11.40 | bbeattie | hmm, I see.. ,, The 1040a also is for "interest and dividends".. |
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| 20:45.13 | brailsmt | i hate it when you start working on a little script that will just take 5 minutes, and it ends up taking 4 hours... |
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| 20:45.48 | Jayce^ | yak-shaving? feature creep? what? |
| 20:46.05 | brailsmt | yak-shaving? I have heard it before, but forgot... |
| 20:46.30 | brailsmt | Jayce^: problem appearing simpler than it really is... |
| 20:46.52 | lukfugl | brailsmt: yak-shaving is when you start working on an something incidental to the problem |
| 20:46.59 | Jayce^ | http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/yak-shaving.html |
| 20:47.07 | Jayce^ | http://www.ai.mit.edu/lab/gsb/gsb-archive/gsb2000-02-11.html |
| 20:47.27 | lukfugl | spending 90% of my day tweaking the configurations for a module I'm using rather than proceeding with "good enough" |
| 20:48.43 | lukfugl | though the connection is usually more obscure :) |
| 20:50.36 | brailsmt | well, this is something that needs to be done, ie, documenting our schema, this script was supposed to do it mostly for me... |
| 20:50.58 | brailsmt | thing is the reason I need to document the schema is the project that I just started... |
| 20:51.06 | brailsmt | so i guess this is a form of yak shaving... |
| 20:51.43 | Bradipo | yak-shaving sounds like what you do when you get shaving cream in your mouth, you yak it out. |
| 20:51.52 | brailsmt | ie, working on something that is needed at some point, but not until a later time, like after other pieces are done... |
| 20:51.55 | brailsmt | :) |
| 20:52.38 | brailsmt | i think i shave too many yaks... |
| 20:52.49 | lukfugl | I know I do |
| 20:53.18 | brailsmt | like installing the latest firefox so i can get the latest tabbrowser preferences so i can use middle click to open tabs in the background so i can print stuff off easier... |
| 20:53.39 | brailsmt | ...which probably took longer than doing it manually... |
| 20:53.45 | brailsmt | one page at a time |
| 20:55.30 | brailsmt | one of my other favorite things is working on something that should be really simple to do since you only have to plug a few pieces of existing work together... and then it takes on a life of its own... |
| 20:56.04 | brailsmt | and you end rewriting sections of the preexisting pieces, just so you can use them in the new piece... |
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| 21:02.31 | levi-treo | Gah, this sucketh mightily. |
| 21:03.24 | levi-treo | I've been sitting in a waiting room for 2.5 hours now. |
| 21:03.43 | brailsmt | sounds like fun |
| 21:09.40 | levi-treo | Loads of fun. |
| 21:12.47 | hans | scorched3d game tonight |
| 21:12.57 | hans | hang here for details |
| 21:14.30 | Maquis | levi-treo: for what? |
| 21:16.16 | levi-treo | My wife is having a medical exam. |
| 21:20.38 | Maquis | levi-treo: oh... |
| 21:20.39 | Maquis | ok |
| 21:20.40 | vontrapp | when do the polls close? |
| 21:21.17 | Maquis | vontrapp: check with amcnabb or spr to be sure, but last year, they closed i think at 5pm on friday |
| 21:21.35 | vontrapp | and only 30 people voted? |
| 21:21.54 | vontrapp | hmmm, i thought there would be more |
| 21:21.57 | Maquis | i think we got 35 or so last year |
| 21:22.33 | vontrapp | well, maybe five last minute votes for me and... nope. |
| 21:23.34 | Maquis | too bad he's not running |
| 21:24.05 | Maquis | (at least, unless we get some last-minute votes... |
| 21:24.15 | Newsome | why was he on the ballot then? |
| 21:24.30 | Maquis | there haven't been any votes since thursday morning (around 2 or something0 iirc |
| 21:24.50 | Maquis | he was nominated, and he accepted, and then he changed his mind, and announced his decision about 10 minutes after the ballots were posted |
| 21:24.59 | Newsome | oh |
| 21:25.42 | Maquis | at that point, amcnabb and spr decided not to remove him... |
| 21:29.19 | Jayce^ | gee, no uug presidential candidates came looking for 'foreign' endorsements :) |
| 21:31.05 | Maquis | Jayce^: i didn't know we were supposed to look for foreign endorsements... :) |
| 21:31.32 | Maquis | exactly how do we work together, anyways? |
| 21:32.06 | hans | Jayce^: $stdin.readline in perl? |
| 21:32.08 | Jayce^ | Maquis, see, how can you expect to lead if you don't know about us :) |
| 21:32.24 | Maquis | Jayce^: i'm a quick learner (at least i try to be) :) |
| 21:32.25 | Jayce^ | while(<>) :) |
| 21:32.33 | Jayce^ | Maquis, first, attend plug :) |
| 21:32.42 | Jayce^ | then start meeting/discussing cross-promotions |
| 21:32.43 | Maquis | Jayce^: i'm planning to start in the fall |
| 21:32.52 | Maquis | ??? |
| 21:32.55 | Jayce^ | oh sure, wait 'till next year :) |
| 21:32.58 | hans | Jayce^: sure, but I only want one line |
| 21:33.02 | Jayce^ | group meetings, etc.. |
| 21:33.17 | Maquis | oh... |
| 21:33.39 | Jayce^ | hans, well, you can do that and then break the loop when \n |
| 21:33.54 | hans | are you serious? |
| 21:33.59 | Jayce^ | there are also great curses/ncurses modules to do nicer oo style |
| 21:34.07 | Jayce^ | sure, you *can* do it that way :-p |
| 21:34.08 | hans | I don't need curses |
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| 21:34.11 | hans | it's a pipeline |
| 21:34.39 | hans | you could write C code and use swig too |
| 21:34.42 | Maquis | Jayce^: is being on pluglist a start? |
| 21:34.48 | Maquis | (and irc) |
| 21:35.27 | goozbach | ahhhh!!! full internet access |
| 21:35.32 | Maquis | goozbach: yay! |
| 21:35.33 | Maquis | why? |
| 21:35.35 | goozbach | for an hour and a half at least |
| 21:35.38 | Maquis | how |
| 21:35.39 | Maquis | ? |
| 21:35.39 | goozbach | I'm at the airport |
| 21:35.42 | Maquis | oh |
| 21:35.47 | Maquis | wait... |
| 21:35.56 | goozbach | now to find a plug as I'm about dead in the battery dept |
| 21:35.59 | Jayce^ | hans, sorry, was looking for code to link you to |
| 21:36.00 | Maquis | are you coming home for the weekend, and then heading back out to the same place? |
| 21:36.05 | goozbach | yup |
| 21:36.07 | Jayce^ | but look at Term::ReadKey possibly |
| 21:40.47 | brailsmt | hans: while(<>) will enter the loop for every newline entered, so you can just what you want and exit out of the loop... |
| 21:41.04 | Jayce^ | can also do $line = <STDIN>; |
| 21:41.14 | brailsmt | or just use ruby :) |
| 21:41.15 | Jayce^ | easiest if you'll be working with a full line |
| 21:41.37 | Jayce^ | that'll auto grab a line |
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| 21:42.42 | Jayce^ | when I mentioned the loop method, that's just because that's how I did it when I was first learning perl, before I knew the other stuff |
| 21:44.20 | hans | Jayce^: that's what I was looking for. |
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| 21:45.40 | lukfugl | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.47 | lukfugl | doh, where'd that space come from? |
| 21:46.30 | Newsome | lukfugl: it's the big, wide key at the bottom, center of your keyboard. |
| 21:46.46 | lukfugl | oh, ok |
| 21:46.54 | lukfugl | thanks Newsome, I hadn't noticed it |
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| 21:53.38 | findlay | hi |
| 21:54.01 | findlay | ibot: how are you? |
| 21:54.01 | ibot | findlay: you know how it is... |
| 21:54.07 | findlay | ibot: do I? |
| 21:54.09 | ibot | ACTION does I. |
| 21:54.18 | findlay | ibot: thanks |
| 21:54.18 | ibot | no problem, findlay |
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| 22:09.06 | findlay | sdrawkcab epyt nac I |
| 22:10.16 | Maquis | i nac os |
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| 22:14.24 | beandog | Does anyone else have a Seagate SATA hdd of death? |
| 22:15.49 | lukfugl | B?uste lcbamnu jy oeuh tt yep |
| 22:16.24 | findlay | lukfugl's perl must be broken |
| 22:17.26 | lukfugl | hint: read every other letter first, then guess where to go from there |
| 22:18.37 | Maquis | lukfugl: nice |
| 22:19.22 | lukfugl | Muaoqyu iksn:a ht |
| 22:23.27 | Maquis | yeomuo'crlew |
| 22:24.21 | lukfugl | close. You just missed a few characters |
| 22:24.36 | lukfugl | decodes to: you'rewlcome |
| 22:24.44 | findlay | a couple of characters if you ask me... |
| 22:25.06 | lukfugl | I wrote a function |
| 22:25.07 | Maquis | i think i only missed a space and an e |
| 22:26.07 | Maquis | how does 'you're welcome' translate out? |
| 22:26.25 | lukfugl | yeomuo'crlee w |
| 22:26.53 | Maquis | ah... |
| 22:27.24 | Maquis | so, i only missed the 'e ' |
| 22:27.32 | lukfugl | Now if you double the fold, it gets really hard to work out :) |
| 22:28.35 | lukfugl | "double folded" -> d dfoeeouldlb |
| 22:29.39 | findlay | or, if you just have your word space just one character wide, who knows what will happen (: |
| 22:33.10 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.51 | findlay | sjansen aroung? |
| 22:34.07 | findlay | all clear |
| 22:34.09 | findlay | OK |
| 22:34.14 | lukfugl | b !nuasotnri dotI ta prtwiesacv nknit oheucsdp o rttse oowo motgep o |
| 22:35.14 | findlay | take the limit as the edges approach each other, or as the number of characters to go before reflecting goes to zero and you have |
| 22:35.33 | findlay | something |
| 22:35.58 | hans | lukfugl: the strange thing is, I recognized what that was without taking length into account |
| 22:36.04 | hans | I wouldn't have without having just read it thoug |
| 22:36.04 | findlay | but do you have a function that decodes them, ha |
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| 22:44.22 | LeviHome | Ahh, finally back home. |
| 22:45.11 | LeviHome | Hospitals must be some of the most riduculously time-disorganized places in the world. |
| 22:45.45 | Maquis | LeviHome: depends on the department |
| 22:46.25 | LeviHome | We were there for 4 and a half hours for a 20-25 minute examination. |
| 22:46.39 | LeviHome | That's ridiculous any way you slice it. |
| 22:46.45 | Maquis | well, it depends... |
| 22:47.09 | Maquis | i mean, if they had someone come into the ER, needing to see the same doctor you needed to see, it makes sense |
| 22:47.44 | Maquis | generally, hospitals use priority-based scheduling, while clinics, etc use a fifo queue |
| 22:47.46 | findlay | perhaps your reference frame and the hospital's differed by a significant fraction of the speed of light |
| 22:48.13 | findlay | like using the Lorentz transforms |
| 22:48.32 | findlay | 1/sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) |
| 22:48.38 | Maquis | priority-based scheduling does allow starvation, although in certain cases, your priority will increase with time |
| 22:49.52 | findlay | nu-uh |
| 22:50.07 | LeviHome | I think doctors are just generally poor at time management, like they are generally poor at handwriting. |
| 22:51.33 | LeviHome | Medicine is one of those weird areas where you pay a lot of money for what, in most any other line of work, would be considered really poor service. |
| 22:51.37 | Maquis | LeviHome: my experience disagrees with that, although, i would say that they are generally computer-illiterate |
| 22:51.58 | LeviHome | Maquis: C'mon, let me rant! |
| 22:52.03 | Maquis | LeviHome: no |
| 22:52.30 | LeviHome | Maquis: I was just forced to waste 4 hours because no one could even give me an estimate of how long it would take. |
| 22:52.52 | hans | LeviHome: I agree with you |
| 22:53.38 | Maquis | LeviHome: without knowing a lot of additional information, i cannot judge whether that was poor time-management or not |
| 22:53.56 | LeviHome | At one point I asked a nurse how long it would be. She said 15-20 minutes. An hour later, I started wandering around looking for her, because I was getting a little worried. |
| 22:54.51 | Maquis | i happen to know a lot about hospitals (my dad's a doc, and i worked writing software for medical centers), and from my experience, particularly in hospitals, most departments have very necessary, unexpected, and unpredictable delays |
| 22:55.17 | Maquis | there are some departments where those delays are less acceptable than others... |
| 22:55.47 | Maquis | but, for example, on days where my dad is on-call at the hospital, he also has patients come to visit |
| 22:56.19 | LeviHome | Hey, I don't get all defensive when people piss on lawyers, even though my dad is one. |
| 22:56.25 | Maquis | if one of those patients is waiting for him, and there's someone else either requiring an emergency c-section or going into heavy labor, or something like that, the patient who's there for the check-up has to wait |
| 22:57.26 | LeviHome | If it's not poor time management, it's poor management of patients who are waiting. Something is being managed poorly, anyway. |
| 22:57.39 | Maquis | LeviHome: i'll grant you that |
| 22:58.12 | LeviHome | I can't really tell what exactly was going wrong, but the doctor showing up nearly an hour after we did wasn't a good sign. |
| 22:59.06 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.25 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.27 | Maquis | what they need to do is have a nice little lcd screen that scrolls through all the doctors, saying how far behind each one is |
| 22:59.29 | LeviHome | Maybe he had a patient who took a while at his other office, or maybe he golfs on Fridays. I don't know. I'm just a little peeved. |
| 22:59.34 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:00.11 | LeviHome | Maquis: Or, just maybe, they could take there 'behind time' trends and work those into their schedule, so they don't actually run behind all the time. |
| 23:00.12 | Bradipo | LeviHome: I can sympathize. |
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| 23:00.24 | Maquis | LeviHome: yeah |
| 23:00.30 | Maquis | i worked on a system to do that |
| 23:00.53 | findlay | emcnabb: hi |
| 23:01.21 | LeviHome | I realize unexpected things are going to happen, but in other areas of the workforce, you have to compensate for that instead of just running perpetually behind. |
| 23:02.00 | vontrapp | what's with this Lynn Patten person keeps sending me emails |
| 23:02.17 | Maquis | LeviHome: yeah... i wrote a program that scrolled through the doctors, giving the amount they were behind, and it kept track of all the info |
| 23:03.50 | LeviHome | Maquis: That'd be a step in the right direction, at least. |
| 23:03.57 | Maquis | LeviHome: yeah |
| 23:04.02 | LeviHome | I doubt things like that are very widely implemented. |
| 23:04.23 | Maquis | i also did a program that sent doctors' schedules to their outlook calendars |
| 23:04.40 | Maquis | while testing that, i discovered that sometimes my dad ha 4 appointments scheduled for a 15 minute period of time |
| 23:04.44 | Maquis | :) |
| 23:05.08 | hans | that's better proof than levi could have given. ;-) |
| 23:05.19 | hans | vontrapp: a spammer, probably |
| 23:05.20 | LeviHome | Maquis: See, this is what I mean by poor time management. |
| 23:05.20 | Maquis | :) |
| 23:05.31 | vontrapp | it's the cs department |
| 23:05.35 | Maquis | but he manages to fit them all in pretty well |
| 23:05.41 | Maquis | vontrapp: yeah... those are annoying |
| 23:05.43 | vontrapp | keeps telling me about the website and job finding stuff |
| 23:07.46 | LeviHome | They had my wife waiting in a room by herself, hooked up to monitoring machines, for over an hour. She just sat watching her blood pressure rising on the machine as she got more and more ticked off. |
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| 23:09.08 | SpecialK | ~console Maquis |
| 23:09.10 | ibot | ACTION gives Maquis the consolation moose |
| 23:10.58 | lukfugl | where's my moose? |
| 23:11.12 | lukfugl | findlay: yes, it's easily decoded |
| 23:11.32 | lukfugl | well, the decode algorithm is easy, and could be done on paper, though not necessarily very easily in the head :) |
| 23:11.53 | lukfugl | the decode method is 3 lines of ruby though (5 if you count the def/end pair) |
| 23:12.34 | lukfugl | ~console me |
| 23:12.36 | ibot | ACTION gives lukfugl the consolation moose |
| 23:12.40 | lukfugl | yay |
| 23:12.51 | findlay | ibot: you giving out free stuff? |
| 23:13.15 | findlay | ibot: gimme one too |
| 23:13.17 | ibot | ACTION gets $who one too |
| 23:13.26 | findlay | ibot: whatever |
| 23:13.27 | ibot | somebody said whatever was the last word of the loser of an argument |
| 23:13.39 | findlay | whatever |
| 23:18.04 | findlay | ibot: char[8] is the ideal length of a nick |
| 23:18.05 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 23:23.22 | hans | ok, if this isn't the dumbest thing. firefox brings up a box that sez "A script in this movie is causing Macromedia Flash Player 7 to run slowly. If it continues to run, your computer may become unresponsive. Do you want to abort thescript?" and then gives me only one button: Ok. |
| 23:23.54 | hans | Thanks for nothing. In communist Russia, the alert box choses you. |
| 23:24.24 | Bradipo | lol |
| 23:24.50 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.18 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:28.14 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@c-67-161-219-228.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:29.55 | *** join/#utah scottj (~scott@atypedigital.ischool.washington.edu) |
| 23:30.08 | scottj | hmm, irssi is pretty cool |
| 23:30.30 | scottj | is there a command to reload fstab and mount anything that's not mounted? |
| 23:34.25 | scottj | mount -a apparently |
| 23:35.32 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.35 | *** part/#utah joshc (~joshc@65.37.125.194) |
| 23:36.46 | lukfugl | well, I'm headed home |
| 23:36.48 | lukfugl | night all |
| 23:37.33 | LeviHome | joshc: That was a fun game. |
| 23:37.42 | *** part/#utah lukfugl (~lukfugl@host-19.pl107798-3.fiber.net) |
| 23:38.36 | scottj | what game? |
| 23:39.17 | scottj | anyone using gmailfs? |
| 23:39.39 | LeviHome | scottj: A RPG named Paranoia. |
| 23:39.59 | scottj | text based? |
| 23:40.19 | LeviHome | scottj: Pen&paper based. |
| 23:47.12 | LeviHome | http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/detail.php?qsID=530&qsSeries=Paranoia%20XP |
| 23:47.20 | LeviHome | The new version of Paranoia |
| 23:49.02 | bonez39 | any idea why I would get this error: scott@fyrenice:~/mydata$ gunzip 8139400.zip gunzip: 8139400.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored |
| 23:49.21 | bonez39 | can't get gunzip to unzip this zip archive |
| 23:49.50 | LeviHome | Maybe you want unzip instead of gunzip? |
| 23:53.13 | LeviHome | "Happiness is Mandatory!" |