| 00:08.36 | xbmodder | tene, she is extermely nice. not a 'slutt' which i like and i have been having crushes on girls in this group over the months |
| 00:08.46 | xbmodder | s/months/yes |
| 00:08.50 | xbmodder | s/months/years |
| 00:09.22 | tene | xbm: I'm just insulting you, I meant no offense at all to the girl. |
| 00:16.05 | xbmodder | why/how are you insulting me. |
| 00:19.07 | tene | the same reasons that anyone in here insults or mocks you. |
| 00:26.16 | dataw0lf | anyone know how to keep a package from being installed on Debian when using a dist-upgrade? |
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| 00:57.00 | vontrapp | how can i check an overview of where files are located physically on a partition, so i know if it's safe to partition it or not? |
| 00:57.09 | vontrapp | from knoppix |
| 00:57.30 | Maquis | vontrapp: linux? |
| 00:57.34 | vontrapp | yes |
| 00:57.45 | vontrapp | the partition is vfat |
| 00:58.12 | Maquis | when you resize the filesystem, it should handle things... |
| 00:58.14 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 00:58.20 | Maquis | dunno... i was resizing ext3 |
| 00:59.57 | vontrapp | what did you use to resize? |
| 01:00.05 | Maquis | e2resizefs i think |
| 01:00.16 | vontrapp | well, that won't work |
| 01:00.21 | Maquis | oh... |
| 01:00.36 | Maquis | well, do you have a defrag utility? |
| 01:00.54 | vontrapp | i don't think it will be a problem |
| 01:01.19 | vontrapp | it's 2G out of 60G that's being used |
| 01:01.34 | vontrapp | just want to make sure there's not any random file that was written to the end of the disk |
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| 01:05.11 | vontrapp | gah, brother shutdown my compy |
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| 01:17.21 | levi-laptop | I think Windows purposefully writes stuff to the end of the drive to make it difficult to repartition. ;) |
| 01:18.43 | vontrapp | nice, qtparted is pretty cool |
| 01:19.57 | levi-laptop | I think parted is how I got this piece of junk partitioned. |
| 01:21.11 | vontrapp | now to infect it with debian! muahaha |
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| 02:07.56 | xbmodder | tene, why/how are you insulting me. |
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| 02:38.04 | goozbach | ~lart canceled flights |
| 03:10.24 | tene | xbm: I already answered that question. |
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| 04:02.47 | mheath | Hello..... |
| 04:03.24 | flyboy^ | Hi...... |
| 04:05.22 | mheath | Today sucked. |
| 04:06.16 | flyboy^ | Why is that? |
| 04:06.27 | mheath | Ah, no reason. |
| 04:06.44 | flyboy^ | What sucked about it? |
| 04:08.24 | mheath | Grandmother died this morning. |
| 04:08.51 | flyboy^ | I am sorry to hear that man. |
| 04:09.00 | flyboy^ | My condolences. |
| 04:09.21 | flyboy^ | Were you close to her? |
| 04:11.18 | mheath | Sort of. |
| 04:11.29 | mheath | In other news, though, I just discovered a problem with Gmail :) |
| 04:13.17 | mheath | http://www.geocities.com/joltrush2004/screenshot.JPG |
| 04:13.19 | mheath | Take a look at that. |
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| 04:19.09 | mheath | Sorry if I seem kind of cold...I just try not to dwell on things like that. Gets me down. I shouldn't have even mentioned it - don't know why I did. |
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| 04:34.22 | mrpull_ | utwaa style question... |
| 04:34.45 | mrpull_ | does anyone have any experience with SLQ clustering with shared SCSI disks? |
| 04:35.07 | mrpull_ | whoops. MS SQL 2000 |
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| 06:43.30 | LeviHome | Anyone awake here? |
| 06:58.22 | LeviHome | I guess not. Alas. |
| 07:08.12 | spr | I'm not dead |
| 07:10.10 | LeviHome | You have any opinion on UVSC's CS program? |
| 07:10.41 | LeviHome | I need to finish my degree by taking evening or online classes, which doesn't leave a lot of options. |
| 08:13.00 | spr | nope, no opinion. |
| 08:13.09 | spr | sorry, I'm a little spacey this late |
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| 13:08.08 | Maquis | ~lart tene |
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| 14:36.51 | hans | perl q: what format of arguments is this script expecting? |
| 14:36.54 | hans | use Getopt::Long; |
| 14:36.54 | hans | GetOptions (\%opt, "community=s", "timeout=i", "retries=i", "lpq"); |
| 14:37.05 | hans | --community=public ? |
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| 14:39.25 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 15:12.46 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 16:05.49 | hans | my cell phone is sooo confused about DST |
| 16:09.00 | vontrapp | my body is sooo confused about DST |
| 16:09.27 | hans | yesterday, it had automatically gone forward |
| 16:09.37 | hans | this morning, it was back an hour, so I set it manually |
| 16:09.59 | hans | then, it reset itself back an hour, and when I looked again one minute later it had gone back to the right time |
| 16:10.01 | jsmith | Same with mine. |
| 16:10.12 | jsmith | Seems Cingular thinks I'm in Arizona or something... |
| 16:10.28 | hans | I pity the fools that use their cell phones as watches. |
| 16:10.37 | jsmith | hans: You talking about people like me? |
| 16:10.58 | hans | That depends. :) What did you answer on the recent /. poll? |
| 16:11.08 | jsmith | Nope. |
| 16:11.20 | hans | :) |
| 16:11.50 | hans | I suppose a cellphone isn't much different from a pocket watch, although decidedly less elegant |
| 16:11.57 | hans | I like wristwatches though. |
| 16:12.29 | hans | so jsmith, are you aware of mon? |
| 16:13.09 | levi | So, is anyone who's awake familiar with UVSC's CS program? |
| 16:13.45 | jsmith | hans: mon? |
| 16:13.56 | hans | http://www.kernel.org/software/mon/ |
| 16:14.15 | hans | stumbled across it saturday |
| 16:14.24 | jsmith | Oh, that mon. |
| 16:14.26 | jsmith | Yeah. |
| 16:14.34 | jsmith | Doen't seem to scale that well... |
| 16:14.47 | hans | bec of the perl? |
| 16:15.12 | jsmith | No, because of the architecture |
| 16:15.34 | jsmith | I need something I can load on several machines and distribute the load |
| 16:15.51 | jsmith | And I'd really like something database-driven. |
| 16:17.04 | jsmith | Again, it would probably work fine for a few dozen hosts, but I can't see it scaling to thousands of hosts. |
| 16:17.23 | hans | it works very well for a smaller setup |
| 16:17.48 | hans | I can see where scaling might be a problem, although I'm not convinced completely that it wouldn't scale. |
| 16:17.59 | hans | it allows you to use m4, but its config is not m4 |
| 16:18.33 | jsmith | OK. |
| 16:18.40 | hans | basically if you pass a certain switch it will process it as m4 in case you happen to love m4 like tha author apparently does. |
| 16:18.47 | jsmith | I see. |
| 16:19.04 | jsmith | Last I checked, the cgis re-read the configs on every run -- the same basic flaw as Nagios |
| 16:19.05 | hans | I don't know which is more surprising - someone loves m4, or that he didn't push m4 on the users. :) |
| 16:19.12 | jsmith | :-) |
| 16:19.54 | hans | jsmith: ah, that may be. I haven't looked at the web stuff yet |
| 16:20.46 | jsmith | I mean, right now we have a standalone box just for the Nagios web interface, and the load is constantly at 5 or 6, just because the CGIs re-read and re-parse the configs for every single page. |
| 16:21.44 | levi | So, no one's familiar with UVSC? |
| 16:21.45 | hans | you have a lot of people accessing the cgi, or just one with a big config? |
| 16:21.53 | hans | levi: not much |
| 16:22.42 | levi | I'm strongly considering finishing my degree there, because they offer night classes and their course selection seems to suck less than my other options. |
| 16:23.07 | hans | I think you could do worse, for sure |
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| 16:23.28 | jsmith | hans: Lots of people accessing the cgi, and large configs |
| 16:25.17 | hans | jsmith: http://www.ryanclark.org/projects/moncgi this guy says he's working on a db-based version of a mon cgi |
| 16:25.28 | hans | not sure if it's the answer, but may be |
| 16:25.53 | hans | from my end - relatively small setup - mon is a heckuvalot easier to use than nagios |
| 16:25.55 | jsmith | Well, just having the CGI be db-based doesn't cut it |
| 16:26.12 | jsmith | I'd like to have our install script stick the machine into the database, etc. |
| 16:26.47 | jsmith | There's a hack for Nagios 2 that puts the status in a db so that the web front-end can read it quickly, but it's just a hack. |
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| 17:05.53 | xbmodder-treo | sup guys |
| 17:06.00 | xbmodder-treo | ??? |
| 17:06.06 | Newsome | crap |
| 17:06.21 | Maquis | ??? |
| 17:06.29 | vontrapp | can someone point me to a good overview of mod-rewrite (Apache) and its quirks? |
| 17:06.35 | xbmodder-treo | sorry |
| 17:06.50 | xbmodder-treo | mod-rewrite? |
| 17:11.47 | jsmith | xbmodder: It's quirks would take volumes to document... |
| 17:13.42 | Maquis | so, i think my computer got a bit confused this weekend... |
| 17:15.00 | Maquis | on saturday night, i watched as the time went from 1:59to 1:00 |
| 17:15.01 | Maquis | and wondered why it went that way... |
| 17:16.20 | jsmith | Maquis: That's normal for daylight savings time, isn't it? |
| 17:16.39 | Maquis | jsmith, it should've gone from 1:59 to 3:00 |
| 17:17.01 | Maquis | at least that was my understanding |
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| 17:17.03 | JoshH | maybe your computer thought it was the other daylight savings day, when we go back an hour |
| 17:17.15 | Maquis | dunno... it has the date correct... |
| 17:17.28 | Newsome | time zone correct? |
| 17:17.45 | Maquis | dunno... how do i check? |
| 17:17.55 | levi | Maquis: The real question is, what were you doing up so late?! ;) |
| 17:18.16 | Maquis | levi: late? |
| 17:18.27 | JoshH | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:18.37 | Maquis | i've been up at that hour almost every day for the past week |
| 17:18.50 | Maquis | usually because i haven't gotten to bed yet |
| 17:19.09 | levi | Maquis: Yeah, but people should be asleep at that hour. ;) |
| 17:19.22 | Maquis | this morning because i was up already (and i was the third one out of bed this morning) |
| 17:19.29 | JoshH | Maquis: no wonder you are always so loopy in the morning. :P |
| 17:19.35 | Maquis | JoshH: :) |
| 17:19.50 | levi | I couldn't sleep last night, so I was up, though I had previously gone to bed. |
| 17:19.54 | JoshH | im usually up till 12 or 1, but rarely later |
| 17:20.19 | JoshH | last night though i was up too late playing gran turismo 4... getting out of bed this morning was a challenge. |
| 17:21.03 | *** topic/#utah by Maquis -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, fslc.usu.edu, etc. | utwaa.org for Utah windows Admins Anonymous... UUG Elections now open... Vote Maquis/TuxGirl/Erin for president! |
| 17:21.24 | levi | Mmm, Gran Turismo 4. I wish I had it and the new wheel to play it with. |
| 17:21.32 | levi | But I'd never actually get around to playing. |
| 17:21.36 | Maquis | yeah.. i had trouble sleeping last night... woke up 3 or 4 times in the night |
| 17:21.45 | Maquis | probably because i went to bed so early |
| 17:21.52 | JoshH | the new wheel has to wait a couple months, unfortunately |
| 17:22.13 | levi | Yeah, I slept a lot over the weekend and went to bed relatively early and also got to thinking at bedtime, which is a dangerous thing for me. |
| 17:22.16 | JoshH | hopefully by then ill be able to snag one from ebay for well under 100 bucks |
| 17:23.25 | vontrapp | gran turismo and wheel? what console? |
| 17:24.06 | vontrapp | levi: yeah, i hate when i get to thinking at bedtime |
| 17:24.20 | fozz | Thinking is unwise at any time. |
| 17:24.28 | fozz | -- some philosopher. |
| 17:25.02 | fozz | I admit, however, I had the same problem last night. |
| 17:25.31 | fozz | I got about 3-4 hours of sleep Saturday night. 6 Friday night. And 5 Thur night. |
| 17:25.36 | fozz | I was dead tired last night. |
| 17:25.44 | fozz | What did I do. Just layed there in bed thinking. |
| 17:25.51 | fozz | Stupid bain. |
| 17:25.53 | fozz | brain. |
| 17:26.13 | fozz | The bain of the brain. |
| 17:26.18 | levi | I got up and messed around on the computer for a couple of hours. |
| 17:26.37 | levi | Then went back and fought the cat for some room on the bed. |
| 17:26.42 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 17:27.07 | fozz | Yeah- I messed around (worked) on the computer until 1 a.m. thinking "okay, I'm way tired now..." |
| 17:27.47 | fozz | My wife hates it when I start drumming my fingers on the headboard or something without knowing it. |
| 17:28.17 | fozz | She says she catches me typing in my sleep too. |
| 17:28.37 | levi | Thankfully, my wife sleeps easily. I can stay up in bed working on my laptop and she sleeps right through it. |
| 17:28.54 | fozz | That's nice. |
| 17:29.13 | Maquis | fozz: typing in your sleep? |
| 17:29.15 | Maquis | that's scary |
| 17:29.16 | levi | I may actually need to get myself a new laptop, though. |
| 17:29.19 | fozz | uh huh. |
| 17:29.22 | Maquis | and sad and wrong... |
| 17:29.33 | levi | Maquis: Just wait; you'll do it too! |
| 17:29.39 | fozz | ;-) |
| 17:30.21 | Maquis | ~alart flaky wireless |
| 17:30.36 | fozz | RED ALART! RED ALART! |
| 17:31.07 | Maquis | ~lart flaky wireless |
| 17:31.46 | levi | Anyone want to buy a 1Ghz eMac or an old Sony Vaio Powerbook C1-VN? Or perhaps a Treo 600? |
| 17:32.39 | levi | I like my treo, but I don't use it enough to justify the monthly cell bill. |
| 17:32.57 | fozz | Bummer. |
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| 17:34.09 | fozz | Remind me what an eMac is. |
| 17:34.23 | fozz | ~lart tene_ |
| 17:34.25 | levi | It's got a few dings and scratches and is outdated by the 650, so it's not exactly very valuable anymore. |
| 17:34.42 | levi | fozz: 1Ghz mac built into a 17" CRT. |
| 17:34.55 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 17:34.57 | Maquis | levi: i could do the treo for ummmm... i think i might be able to find a quarter someplace |
| 17:35.15 | fozz | 600's still worth a lot. |
| 17:35.17 | levi | Maquis: If that's all you can afford, you couldn't afford the cell bill. :) |
| 17:35.21 | fozz | hee hee. |
| 17:35.25 | Maquis | levi: good point |
| 17:35.33 | levi | Mine comes to $50/month. |
| 17:35.41 | Maquis | ipes! |
| 17:35.45 | levi | Indeed. |
| 17:35.51 | fozz | That's not too shabby. I'm paying... probably $150. |
| 17:36.04 | fozz | But then, that's 2000 minutes shareed between three phones. |
| 17:36.11 | levi | I have better things to spend my money on. |
| 17:36.17 | fozz | It's about $100 cheaper than Verizon was with three phones. |
| 17:36.26 | fozz | So, I'm happy paying it. |
| 17:36.33 | levi | Well, I spend a total of $100 including my wife's cell plan. |
| 17:37.10 | fozz | Told a guy yesterday I didn't have a home phone. He says, "Oh, you're one of those cell phone guys, huh?" |
| 17:37.14 | levi | We really don't need cell phones now, though, so I'm considering getting a super-cheap one for emergency purposes only and ditching monthly fees altogether. |
| 17:37.46 | fozz | If you can, do it. |
| 17:38.11 | levi | The major downside for me is giving up the treo. If it wasn't for that, I'd have done it already. |
| 17:39.08 | Maquis | bdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbdbd |
| 17:39.29 | levi | Maquis: Have you been watching Buck Rogers? |
| 17:39.30 | fozz | Yep. It's definitely Monday morning. |
| 17:39.36 | vontrapp | pbtbttbtbtpppfffffhhhhhht |
| 17:39.46 | Maquis | levi: ????? |
| 17:39.47 | fozz | "BDBDBDB Heya Buck." |
| 17:40.05 | Maquis | vontrapp: you'll have plenty of time to say that friday evening.... :) |
| 17:40.13 | Maquis | when the polls close |
| 17:40.28 | fozz | "Hey Twiki... where's Erin Gray?" |
| 17:40.30 | levi | Maquis: You don't know Buck Rogers?! |
| 17:40.36 | Maquis | levi: never watched it... |
| 17:40.59 | levi | Maquis: Before your time, I guess. |
| 17:41.03 | fozz | She was like an amoeba when Buck Rogers was on. |
| 17:41.04 | vontrapp | hey, o got another vote :) |
| 17:41.10 | Maquis | levi: that's good... i have an excuse, then |
| 17:41.16 | vontrapp | s/ o / i / |
| 17:41.30 | Maquis | vontrapp: congrats |
| 17:41.37 | Maquis | you're ahead of sco++ |
| 17:41.39 | Maquis | :) |
| 17:42.21 | hans | vontrapp: you're running? |
| 17:42.27 | vontrapp | for webmaster |
| 17:43.19 | hans | michael moore is running for webmaster? |
| 17:43.34 | vontrapp | levi: Maquis: i dunno, i remember buck rogers, and i don't think i'm much older than Maquis if at all |
| 17:44.04 | vontrapp | yeah, can you believe we might have that sleazy propogandist running our site? |
| 17:44.13 | levi | It'd be great for traffic! |
| 17:44.30 | hans | vontrapp: you also remember knight rider, which Erin claims to have never seen. When I made her watch one last week she said "David Hasslehoff is on this Knight Rider thing?" I just hit my head with my palm |
| 17:44.44 | vontrapp | and as part of the campaign he did a google fight "Michael Moore" vs "Von Fugal" |
| 17:44.48 | Jayce^ | Kit! |
| 17:44.51 | vontrapp | guess who won |
| 17:45.18 | hans | von |
| 17:45.42 | vontrapp | right, hans, von fugal is gonna get moore google hits than moore |
| 17:45.58 | vontrapp | but i rematched with stuporglue vs vontrapp |
| 17:46.00 | vontrapp | then i won |
| 17:46.20 | hans | is that his real name? |
| 17:46.26 | vontrapp | yep |
| 17:46.30 | hans | poor thing |
| 17:47.12 | hans | good thing I'm not eligble to vote. I wouldn't know who to vote for for anything except webby |
| 17:47.47 | vontrapp | haha, david hasselhoff is the antichrist |
| 17:47.51 | vontrapp | http://www.esquilax.com/baywatch/index.shtml |
| 17:49.18 | vontrapp | ~lart mod-rewrite |
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| 17:52.41 | hans | heh. Lifeguards: Denizens of the Underworld. |
| 18:02.44 | vontrapp | Maquis! tofu is catching up with you |
| 18:08.30 | Maquis | vontrapp: yes... i noticed |
| 18:08.33 | Maquis | it will be handled |
| 18:12.01 | mrpull | ~praise windows netsh and perl |
| 18:12.03 | ibot | All hail windows netsh and perl! |
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| 18:24.51 | hans | anyone need a washer and dryer? old, dryer probably needs a new heating coil or something cuz it takes awhile |
| 18:26.14 | Maquis | hans: if you were eligible to vote, i'm sure that i could help you with knowing who to vote for... |
| 18:34.59 | bucky | Ruby On Rails Showdown with Java Spring/Hibernate |
| 18:35.01 | bucky | http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/04/1520227&from=rss |
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| 18:52.53 | sjansen | http://www.ushistory.org/carpentershall/history/robbery.htm |
| 18:53.06 | Maquis | ~lart sjansen |
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| 19:01.13 | brailsmt | is there a way to search apt and turn actually useful results? apt-cache search generally turns up too muc to be useful |
| 19:02.11 | bucky | you can use grep with it |
| 19:02.14 | neybar | you could combine the output with grep or something to refine the results |
| 19:04.43 | brailsmt | not the answer i hoped for, but nevertheless... |
| 19:07.46 | neybar | you could also use dselect (or even better synaptic) and browse the package list |
| 19:08.29 | vontrapp | it's a lot better than the portage search |
| 19:13.24 | brailsmt | vontrapp: by what measure/ |
| 19:13.26 | brailsmt | ? |
| 19:13.34 | brailsmt | man scrot |
| 19:14.28 | brailsmt | oops... |
| 19:14.30 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:15.32 | vontrapp | in how it doesn't return too many results |
| 19:16.00 | vontrapp | you pretty much can't mix terms with portage or you get a gazillion results |
| 19:16.10 | brailsmt | apt-cache search returns many more than esearch does |
| 19:16.14 | vontrapp | portage: contains a OR b OR c |
| 19:16.19 | vontrapp | apt: contains a AND b AND c |
| 19:17.21 | vontrapp | e.g. if you try and search for "games network" you'll get all games and all network utilities etc with portage |
| 19:17.50 | vontrapp | if there's a simple way to get sane behaviour in this aspect from portage, by all means share it, i would love to know :) |
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| 19:18.53 | vontrapp | (with apt, you get more or less games that have networking) |
| 19:23.21 | brailsmt | that is a different usage than i use... i usually search for a specific package, ie. i just wanted to find ruby gems so: |
| 19:23.21 | brailsmt | apt-cache search gem | wc -l |
| 19:23.21 | brailsmt | 642 |
| 19:23.21 | brailsmt | [michael]$ esearch -c gem | wc -l |
| 19:23.21 | brailsmt | 11 |
| 19:23.51 | vontrapp | apt-cache search --names-only |
| 19:24.03 | brailsmt | [brailsmt]$ apt-cache search gem | grep ruby | wc -l |
| 19:24.05 | brailsmt | 12 |
| 19:24.13 | brailsmt | [michael]$ esearch -c gem | grep ruby | wc -l |
| 19:24.14 | brailsmt | 1 |
| 19:25.35 | brailsmt | and the listeing from apt-cache does not list anything like rubygems... |
| 19:25.51 | vontrapp | i'm not finding a ruby gems package |
| 19:25.56 | vontrapp | perhaps there is none? |
| 19:26.02 | brailsmt | it lists ruby packages |
| 19:26.12 | vontrapp | (this is not the first time i've looked for it, and i was unable to find it before) |
| 19:26.38 | brailsmt | but esearch returns this: [MU] dev-ruby/rubygems (0.8.4): Centralized Ruby extension management system |
| 19:26.41 | brailsmt | *sigh* |
| 19:27.04 | vontrapp | apt-cache search ruby gem turns up about 12 results, all of the ruby packages with an occurence of 'gem' in the description |
| 19:27.27 | vontrapp | gem seems to be a very common sequence, e.g. ima'gem'agik |
| 19:27.36 | brailsmt | vontrapp: yes, I did not know about the apt-cache search ruby gem type functionality |
| 19:27.50 | brailsmt | that is nice |
| 19:28.28 | brailsmt | but i don't typically use it like that... if i am looking for networked games on linux, I use google... |
| 19:28.33 | brailsmt | for example |
| 19:28.45 | vontrapp | apt-cache search --names-only gem | grep ruby | wc -l |
| 19:28.46 | vontrapp | 0 |
| 19:28.49 | vontrapp | :( |
| 19:29.58 | vontrapp | i find it's mostly faster and more convenient to just search apt for a package that matches a functionality |
| 19:30.51 | vontrapp | the network games example was geared to demonstrate an extreme number of hits from esearch and relatively few from apt :) |
| 19:31.16 | brailsmt | thats the problem i have with apt-cache, when I search for a package, I already know about it, and I just want to install it, I am not typically searching for anything... |
| 19:31.43 | brailsmt | i search before installing to determine what version is available... |
| 19:32.03 | vontrapp | you could alias apt-packages='apt-cache search --names-only' or something like that |
| 19:32.27 | brailsmt | i probably will |
| 19:32.39 | brailsmt | actually... |
| 19:32.55 | brailsmt | alias esearch='apt-cache search --names-only' |
| 19:32.56 | brailsmt | :) |
| 19:33.12 | vontrapp | hehe :) |
| 19:34.22 | vontrapp | since i haven't been chewing on paper recently, i guess it's ham |
| 19:34.41 | vontrapp | but it seems very much like paper |
| 19:36.21 | vontrapp | as apposed to movie|microwave popcorn? |
| 19:36.31 | brailsmt | http://www.kandkpopcorn.com/story.html |
| 19:36.46 | jsmith | vontrapp: Don't forget about caramel popcorn. |
| 19:37.02 | brailsmt | vontrapp: as opposed to orville reddenbacher/act one/<any typical brand> microwave or not... |
| 19:37.31 | brailsmt | those vendors have bred the kernels to pop big, but as a result, they are also tasteless |
| 19:37.53 | brailsmt | these ones pop smaller, but actualy taste good all by themselves... |
| 19:38.13 | brailsmt | i was shocked when I ate the popcorn at how good it was |
| 19:38.17 | vontrapp | growing up, we rarely had microwave popcorn, just stir-crazy popped kernels with butter/salt poured on top |
| 19:39.15 | vontrapp | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004RC6R/102-4490174-6353752?v=glance |
| 19:40.07 | brailsmt | i actually read an article in Discover about popcorn, and so I thought I would try some non-mainline brand of popcorn |
| 19:41.01 | brailsmt | and i was surprised, this stuff actually did taste better, and it was crunchy... usually popcorn comes out of the air popper chewy, this stuff was crunchy |
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| 19:45.17 | Bradipo | brailsmt: Do you pop this in a pan with oil or in an air popper? |
| 19:46.42 | brailsmt | Bradipo: i have an air popper, i would really like an oil popper, but they cost $40 bucks... |
| 19:46.53 | Bradipo | Eh? |
| 19:47.02 | Bradipo | I have always just used a pan and oil on the stove. |
| 19:47.03 | brailsmt | air popper |
| 19:47.30 | tensai | you can also make your own microwave popcorn with a brown paper bag and a stapler. works great. (thx A.B.) |
| 19:47.36 | brailsmt | really? i never have, you can buy oil poppers, my parent's used to have one |
| 19:47.43 | Bradipo | Yeah. |
| 19:47.46 | brailsmt | tensai: no need for the stapler |
| 19:47.54 | Bradipo | But it works better if you have a gas range, instead of electric. |
| 19:47.56 | tene | When I was little, my father grew popcorn in the backyard. |
| 19:48.09 | Bradipo | tensai: What exactly is the stapler for? |
| 19:48.11 | brailsmt | a single staple works... whole staplers tend to make the microwave sparks |
| 19:48.23 | tensai | ~lart brailsmt |
| 19:48.31 | tensai | Bradipo: staple the bag shut |
| 19:49.06 | Bradipo | But what about the staple in the microwave, won't that burn out. |
| 19:49.19 | brailsmt | Bradipo: too small |
| 19:49.23 | Bradipo | Interesting. |
| 19:49.24 | tensai | turns out no. staples are shorter than microwave's wavelenght |
| 19:49.32 | Bradipo | Ahh, I see. |
| 19:49.49 | tene | once when I was little, I got home froms omething, and it was after dinnertime |
| 19:49.57 | tene | and tomato soup had been prepared for dinner |
| 19:50.01 | brailsmt | you can also put frozen OJ cans in the microwave with the bottom metal part still on without any trouble |
| 19:50.06 | vontrapp | i guess those waves aren't very 'micro' |
| 19:50.08 | tene | and there was still some left, so my mother told me to put it in the microwave. |
| 19:50.20 | tene | and I got confused, and put the entire pot in the microwave. |
| 19:50.32 | Bradipo | brailsmt: I've put CDs in microwaves, they make a spectacular light show. |
| 19:50.46 | brailsmt | me too, especially the MS CDs... |
| 19:50.47 | vontrapp | yeah, cd's are fun |
| 19:51.20 | brailsmt | :D |
| 19:51.32 | Bradipo | How do different metals react in a microwave? e.g. gold, silver, steel, etc... |
| 19:51.50 | Bradipo | I don't think my wife would appreciate me experimenting with my wedding ring. |
| 19:55.08 | vontrapp | i don't think it matters what kind of metal |
| 19:55.24 | vontrapp | what happens is the waves produce rapidly alternating magnetic fields |
| 19:55.32 | vontrapp | those fields induce a current in any conductor |
| 19:55.41 | vontrapp | the larger the chunk of conductor, the more current |
| 19:58.28 | vontrapp | if you put two metal plates in a microwave arrayed inline, you could probably get some pretty impressive sparks |
| 20:03.49 | brailsmt | and a pretty dead microwave |
| 20:04.36 | vontrapp | i don't completely understand why it would harm the microwave |
| 20:04.44 | vontrapp | anyone care to shed some light? |
| 20:04.49 | Bradipo | You can probably pick up a cheap microwave for experimentation at a yard sale. |
| 20:05.53 | vontrapp | next cheap microwave i pick up will probably go to the can-crushing experiment |
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| 20:11.38 | jakea | is it just me, or has PLUG been quiet since Friday |
| 20:12.32 | Jayce^ | it has |
| 20:13.03 | jakea | *whew* |
| 20:13.23 | Bradipo | Guess there are indeed more important things than PLUG. ;-) |
| 20:13.33 | Bradipo | My guess would be conference weekend... |
| 20:13.40 | jakea | ah yes |
| 20:14.29 | Jayce^ | that usually spurns on the "how do I listen to conference in linux posts" |
| 20:14.38 | Bradipo | True. |
| 20:14.48 | Bradipo | I just gave up on it altogether, especially now that they don't even have a video feed. |
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| 20:35.46 | scott | anyone here good at bash prompts? I made one but it's kind of messed up. if I type more than a certain number of characters (12 or so) it sends me to the beginning of the line. |
| 20:36.02 | scott | export PS1="\e[1m\e[37;41m[ \e[31;41m\@ \e[33;41m- \e[37;41m]\e[0m [\u:\w] " |
| 20:37.10 | vontrapp | scott: try \[\e[#m\] everywhere you have a color change |
| 20:37.42 | vontrapp | insstead of just \e[#m |
| 20:41.10 | scott | thanks, that fixed it |
| 20:41.56 | scott | on the first prompt it gives when I open a terminal it shows two red blocks which looks kind of cool with the blinking grey cursor, but it only lasts on the first prompt |
| 20:42.02 | scott | once I press enter the next doesn't have it |
| 20:42.05 | scott | any idea why? |
| 20:42.48 | scott | maybe it's a gnome-terminal thing, xterm doesn't do it |
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| 21:16.13 | ggundy | fozz:I read about a problem you had with "win2k client delay when browsing shares" |
| 21:16.44 | ggundy | fozz:Did you ever get that fixed? |
| 21:16.56 | ggundy | I know - it has been a long time now... |
| 21:17.34 | ggundy | that's samba shares btw |
| 21:18.48 | vontrapp | i just type in \\server\ and avoid clicking around at all costs, cause this ain't no small delay or minor inconvenience, it blows |
| 21:21.08 | hans | ~fire von |
| 21:21.11 | ibot | I'm sorry, von, but it just isn't working out. Pack up your stuff. |
| 21:21.25 | bucky | http://windows.about.com/od/tipsarchive/l/bltip335.htm |
| 21:21.52 | bucky | seems to address that problem.. there are other hits concerning it with samba |
| 21:23.52 | ggundy | vontrapp:same issue. I get to the share - all folders are showing - they go blank - I wait 30 seconds, they come back - I click (or type) a new folder, it does it again... |
| 21:25.16 | ggundy | bucky:I'll give it a swing. |
| 21:25.29 | bucky | good luck |
| 21:25.50 | vontrapp | 'delay of up to 30 seconds' to determine if shares are enabled?! |
| 21:26.03 | vontrapp | who's the beanbag who programmed that feature? |
| 21:27.08 | vontrapp | s/shares/scheduled tasks/ |
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| 21:32.27 | sjansen | Anybody remember the name of the SUSE new equivalent to RH's NetworkManager? |
| 21:33.17 | jsmith | sjansen: SuSE? What is it with you -- distro of the week? :-) |
| 21:33.34 | ggundy | bucky:That seems to have worked. |
| 21:33.52 | sjansen | jsmith: No, I work for a company that does training on RHEL/FC/SLES/SL and I'm forcing myself to learn Debian (Ubuntu). |
| 21:34.11 | sjansen | BTW, it hasn't been SuSE for awhile. |
| 21:34.41 | hans | so all you have to do is hack the registry on every computer you don't want to wait 30 seconds for no good reason on? |
| 21:35.08 | jsmith | hans: Sounds like it... yuck. |
| 21:35.23 | jsmith | Maquis: I know where he works. |
| 21:35.32 | Maquis | just making the point |
| 21:35.55 | bucky | ggundy, what version of samba are you using? |
| 21:35.59 | vontrapp | hans: you or anyone else having problems with xmission debian mirrors? |
| 21:36.21 | hans | haven't tried anything for a couple of days |
| 21:36.33 | sjansen | Wait... I can't remember now. Did it come out with SL9.2, or was it slated for SL9.3? |
| 21:36.40 | bucky | ggundy, 3.0.13 is the latest version BTW |
| 21:36.44 | sjansen | Maybe that's why I can't find it. |
| 21:40.06 | bucky | hans so all you have to do is hack the registry on every computer you don't want to wait 30 seconds for no good reason on? |
| 21:40.31 | bucky | microsoft does not adhere to the rfc's on the cif protocol |
| 21:43.27 | bucky | deb http://archive.progeny.com/debian/ main contrib non-free |
| 21:43.36 | bucky | that's the best and fastest |
| 21:44.18 | hans | bucky: are you parroting me, or confused? :) |
| 21:44.35 | hans | the best and fastest is usually dependent on how you're connected to the internet |
| 21:44.58 | hans | at BYU, I got super performance from purdue for some reason |
| 21:45.16 | hans | on xmission xmission's servers are about the best I could even hope for |
| 21:45.42 | hans | of course at 256k it's usually me who's the bottleneck. |
| 21:45.59 | hans | anyway, with xmission I don't rack up bandwidth when I connect to their network. not like I ever go over |
| 21:46.32 | hans | so I just discovered that instead of no managed switches, as I had been led to believe, we have 4 stackable managed switches. |
| 21:48.54 | vontrapp | hmm progeny's not going very fast for me |
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| 21:50.48 | JoshH | i just use http.us.debian.org |
| 21:51.12 | JoshH | its almost always maxes out my download speed |
| 21:52.04 | ggundy | bucky:3.0.1? It looks like it is a client thing anyway. ;( |
| 21:56.13 | sjansen | hans: that's a nice surprise |
| 21:56.52 | hans | yes, it is. |
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| 21:58.23 | RyanBE | identify RyanE |
| 21:58.26 | RyanBE | oops! |
| 21:58.40 | hans | hurry, snag it! |
| 21:58.48 | RyanBE | you're free to have it |
| 21:58.55 | RyanBE | with how often I get in here... |
| 21:59.02 | hans | the question is, will you pay a ransom? |
| 21:59.24 | RyanBE | not likely. |
| 21:59.44 | RyanBE | now, if I were sjansen and you were snagging it for April Fools day, maybe. |
| 22:00.56 | sjansen | I actually used to have a nickserv account. |
| 22:01.10 | sjansen | Don't really care enough, though. |
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| 22:01.33 | hans | ~lart lukf |
| 22:01.36 | lukfugl | any heavy-duty perl gurus in here? |
| 22:01.44 | hans | ~poke Jayce^ |
| 22:01.46 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, hans? |
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| 22:01.56 | lukfugl | lukf<reverse>I</reverse>, huh? |
| 22:02.16 | hans | tab. dunno why irssi decided to put a tab character in instead of completing your nick. |
| 22:02.38 | lukfugl | hans, Jayce^: no offense, but this may even be above Jayce^'s head :) I'm really expanding my horizons here |
| 22:03.05 | lukfugl | I'm writing some perl/C interface code with XS, but the folks in #perl are silent |
| 22:03.15 | hans | no. silent? they couldn't be |
| 22:03.18 | Jayce^ | heh, I haven't used it in about 4 years (XS) |
| 22:03.19 | hans | not from what I've heard about #perl |
| 22:03.31 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.41 | lukfugl | well, they're silent now |
| 22:03.42 | Jayce^ | neybar has my XS book still |
| 22:03.49 | Jayce^ | maybe it's the freenode channle |
| 22:03.55 | lukfugl | the only traffic in the last 6-7 minutes are me + join/leaves |
| 22:04.22 | Jayce^ | you search perlmonks yet? |
| 22:04.31 | lukfugl | anyways, Jayce^ since you have had experience with XS... |
| 22:04.48 | lukfugl | no, not yet. Couldn't figure out how to formulate my question into a good search |
| 22:04.52 | Jayce^ | hehe... as I said, it's been at least 4 years :) |
| 22:05.03 | Jayce^ | well, shoot, at least I can hopefully help form a question :) |
| 22:05.21 | lukfugl | what I want to do (or know that I can't do) is place a C callback (function pointer) into a perl CV* |
| 22:05.40 | hans | a logical thing to do |
| 22:05.47 | Jayce^ | yeah, I'm sure you can |
| 22:05.58 | Jayce^ | that's all perl is really doing internally |
| 22:07.48 | lukfugl | but how would the C callback -- say it's signature were int (*callback)(int, int) -- know how to recieve data from perl? |
| 22:08.03 | Jayce^ | you can pack it |
| 22:08.49 | Jayce^ | now if I remember how we did that, but I know we did exactly that |
| 22:08.55 | lukfugl | but that would require specialness on the side of the perl using the callback |
| 22:10.19 | lukfugl | the XS I'm writing will sometimes return a coderef that was previously stored, but other times the C callback is the candidate for return from the XS. There's no way to make the two operate interchangeably, right? |
| 22:10.39 | Jayce^ | hrm |
| 22:10.53 | Jayce^ | now why XS instead of INLINE ? |
| 22:11.09 | Jayce^ | should be easier |
| 22:11.11 | neybar | yeah, I have that book still. As a matter of fact it has been on the table next to my door for months now, but I always forget to grab it when I am going to see you. |
| 22:11.30 | Jayce^ | can you see if lukfugl's question is readily answered in there? |
| 22:11.32 | lukfugl | never heard of INLINE. My choice was between XS and SWIG, and XS seemed simpler for what I needed to do |
| 22:11.44 | neybar | what am I looking for? |
| 22:11.45 | Jayce^ | oh man, you gotta look at Inline.pm |
| 22:12.08 | lukfugl | Jayce^: is inline for pulling C code into perl, or perl code into C? |
| 22:12.11 | Jayce^ | much nicer way to embed other languages (C, C++, Java, Python, et al) |
| 22:12.13 | lukfugl | I need the former |
| 22:12.18 | Jayce^ | C into perl |
| 22:12.34 | lukfugl | How's it compare performance wise, and for interacting with C structs? |
| 22:12.39 | Jayce^ | $language into perl |
| 22:12.52 | lukfugl | Because my project is writing Perl bindings for the xmlsec1 C library |
| 22:12.59 | Jayce^ | it's great, compiles it out |
| 22:13.02 | hans | I don't know XS, but learning swig would be applicable to other languages, eg ruby |
| 22:13.08 | lukfugl | hmmm, I'll have to take a look at it |
| 22:13.14 | Jayce^ | hrm, XS is pretty good for binding to a single library |
| 22:13.26 | Jayce^ | did you look at using h2xs to autobuild a lot of it? |
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| 22:14.50 | lukfugl | Jayce^: not really, because that would've thrown a lot of the OOPness (which the author of libxml1 to his credit stuck to in the C library) |
| 22:16.01 | lukfugl | Anyways, going back to XS/Swig, I chose XS primarily because all the doc I found claimed that was what *everything* on CPAN uses |
| 22:16.28 | hans | everyone's doing it. |
| 22:16.34 | Jayce^ | http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/Inline-0.44/ |
| 22:16.53 | Jayce^ | a lot does, especially in connecting to C libs, inline is newer |
| 22:17.02 | Jayce^ | relatively newer |
| 22:17.03 | lukfugl | hans: specifically, the CPAN module (perl -MCPAN -e shell) knows how to build an XS library |
| 22:17.31 | Jayce^ | it knows both |
| 22:17.55 | Jayce^ | anyways, I would suggest looking more at perlmonks |
| 22:18.02 | lukfugl | good to know now. The docs I read (including man perlxs) seemed to imply it needed to be in XS to go into CPAN |
| 22:18.41 | Jayce^ | a lot use inline nowadays, check out the docs link I listed (which is the base and C constructs) |
| 22:24.00 | bucky | deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 22:24.07 | bucky | that could be faster |
| 22:30.58 | bucky | ~vontrapp |
| 22:31.00 | ibot | vontrapp is, like, anonymous, or an escape artist, or hans' brother |
| 22:31.23 | bucky | ~hans |
| 22:31.25 | ibot | i guess hans is the gdmxml guy, or having trouble with the bot, or the designer of the desert color scheme for vim, now part of the main package, or from Santa Fe, New Mexico, going to BYU and hopefully graduating soon... |
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| 22:31.50 | bucky | ~sjansen |
| 22:31.53 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, sjansen is one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 22:32.06 | bucky | ~levi |
| 22:32.07 | ibot | rumour has it, levi is a male who lives in utah |
| 22:32.18 | bucky | ~bucky |
| 22:33.44 | bucky | ~Jayce^ |
| 22:33.45 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, jayce^ is the president (ha) of the Provo Linux Users Group (http://www.plug.org) or a Perl Monger or the punk going to OSCON or a few electrons short a charge. Um bom cara. wants to be hired by SCO, or an April Fool |
| 22:34.17 | bucky | ~lukfugl |
| 22:34.19 | ibot | [lukfugl] a ruby lubbin', perl hackin' fool |
| 22:34.31 | bucky | ~neybar |
| 22:34.32 | ibot | i guess neybar is "sometimes stupidity just plain old wins" |
| 22:34.56 | bucky | ~ggundy |
| 22:34.59 | tene | ~brailsmt |
| 22:35.00 | ibot | somebody said brailsmt was chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 22:35.12 | bucky | ~tene |
| 22:35.16 | ibot | [tene] Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate covered sugar bombs |
| 22:35.41 | bucky | ~RyanBE |
| 22:35.45 | vontrapp | bucky: it appears that my bottle neck is local (perhaps a throttle? i'm not sure) |
| 22:36.04 | bucky | vontrapp, deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 22:36.08 | bucky | try that one? |
| 22:36.08 | vontrapp | i'll have to try the progeny one from home |
| 22:36.28 | *** part/#utah sjansen (~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 22:36.32 | bucky | that one ^^ is oregon state/osdl |
| 22:36.33 | vontrapp | i ran upgrades on both my computers here at once, one on xmission, and one on progeny |
| 22:37.08 | vontrapp | when the second came in, the download speeds for the first and the second were each half |
| 22:37.28 | vontrapp | hence my deduction that the bottleneck is local |
| 22:37.34 | bucky | ic |
| 22:39.51 | bucky | ~levi-laptop |
| 22:40.11 | bucky | ~LeviHome |
| 22:40.14 | ibot | i heard levihome is levi at home |
| 22:40.26 | bucky | ~ibot |
| 22:40.27 | ibot | well, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. a bigot, or the man, or a girl, or ``a filthy scum bag'' |
| 22:41.12 | bucky | ~ibot tell sjansen about debian |
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| 22:43.59 | bucky | ~ibot tell sjansen about ubuntu |
| 22:46.03 | tensai | ~tell bucky about tell |
| 22:56.59 | vontrapp | ~tell #utah about cheezits |
| 22:57.17 | vontrapp | darn, target invalid |
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| 23:07.28 | lukfugl | Jayce^: still there? |
| 23:08.17 | Jayce^ | partially |
| 23:10.13 | lukfugl | what's a standard technique to deal with namespace pollution with Inline.pm? I have package Foo; use Inline => 'C' then define, say 'printf' (not that that's the function I'm actually using) |
| 23:10.40 | lukfugl | it won't compile because printf is already defined in one of the standard files Inline.pm always includes |
| 23:11.17 | Jayce^ | hrm, doesn't the cookbook have something covering that? |
| 23:11.20 | lukfugl | so, to get around this I'd name it foo_printf. However, my package interface in perl then becomes Foo->foo_printf instead of Foo->printf |
| 23:11.33 | lukfugl | just finished reading the cookbook, didn't see any mention of it |
| 23:13.46 | Jayce^ | hrm, ok... I thought you could import into a namespace, didn't think it would pull everything. |
| 23:15.22 | lukfugl | ah, found it |
| 23:15.41 | lukfugl | use Inline C => Config => PREFIX => 'FOO_'; |
| 23:16.05 | Jayce^ | ahh |
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| 23:31.36 | Maquis | doh! |
| 23:31.59 | Maquis | i've had to be focusing on civ long enough that i don't remember where i was in the cs345 project |
| 23:32.06 | Maquis | aside from "very close to the beginning" |
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