| 00:31.49 | Maquis | reading the names that some hacker tried to ssh into my laptop as... |
| 00:32.04 | Maquis | i think "cyberbob" is my favorite so far... |
| 00:33.30 | Maquis | Mar 26 03:25:59 [sshd] User guest not allowed because shell /dev/null is not executable |
| 00:33.33 | Maquis | what's that mean? |
| 00:35.42 | goozbach | /dev/null is not executable |
| 00:35.46 | goozbach | ? |
| 00:35.55 | Maquis | that was in my ssh logs |
| 00:36.22 | Maquis | (btw, whoever is at 213.115.168.131 is rather creative |
| 00:37.09 | Maquis | 700 separate attempts... |
| 00:37.15 | Maquis | although... i'm kinda curious... |
| 00:37.33 | Maquis | if they have a valid user, but they get the wrong password, would it log it here? |
| 00:37.50 | Maquis | because i didn't see anywhere that they attempted 'root' which would've been my first guess... |
| 00:39.02 | Maquis | goozbach: how bout this one: |
| 00:39.09 | Maquis | Apr 1 09:11:24 [sshd] Did not receive identification string from 65.110.41.20 |
| 00:45.48 | goozbach | maps.google.com++ |
| 00:45.55 | Maquis | goozbach: ??? |
| 00:46.03 | goozbach | it should log attempts |
| 00:46.16 | goozbach | well the old version of comercial ssh didn't |
| 00:46.19 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 00:46.33 | Maquis | then, this person has tried 700 different logins and never thought to try root???? |
| 00:46.54 | goozbach | printing out directions to different things via maps.google.com |
| 00:47.02 | goozbach | maps.google.com++ |
| 00:47.07 | Maquis | ah... |
| 00:47.24 | Maquis | so, somehow this person has figured out how to get around BYU's NAT or something |
| 00:47.35 | goozbach | or is inside the nat |
| 00:47.39 | Maquis | cuz these attacks aren't coming from a BYU IP |
| 00:47.49 | goozbach | not nessicarily |
| 00:47.54 | Maquis | explain? |
| 00:47.56 | goozbach | ip spoofing and whatnot |
| 00:48.19 | Maquis | oh... |
| 00:49.04 | Maquis | so, either a BYU computer which is accessible from outside is being used to launch an attempt against me, or somebody inside of BYU's NAT is attacking random computers? |
| 00:49.12 | Maquis | or is there another possibility? |
| 00:49.31 | Maquis | Mar 15 17:17:42 [kernel] Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 15e80ed9 |
| 00:49.37 | goozbach | no idea |
| 00:49.54 | goozbach | it could be either of the two |
| 00:50.14 | Maquis | how hard is it to spoof an IP address? |
| 00:50.17 | Maquis | i didn't know it was possible |
| 00:51.33 | goozbach | I'll have it generate a pdf map with directions from the airport > hotel and hotel > training center |
| 00:51.56 | Maquis | that's cool |
| 00:52.32 | goozbach | very |
| 00:52.46 | Maquis | bye goozbach |
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| 00:53.42 | tensai | Maquis: it's extremely easy to spoof an ip address. tcp sessions are nigh on impossible but ip is cake. |
| 00:53.55 | tensai | nmap will even do it for you |
| 00:53.56 | Maquis | tensai: ok... |
| 00:54.06 | Maquis | so... |
| 00:54.53 | Maquis | another question... |
| 00:55.01 | tensai | if you're seeing ssh login attempts in your logs then that IP is really connecting |
| 00:55.15 | Maquis | tensai: what do you mean by that? |
| 00:55.30 | tensai | whoever it is is really connecting to your ssh daemon |
| 00:55.43 | Maquis | connecting and trying to log in... |
| 00:55.51 | Maquis | but the IP address is spoofed? |
| 00:56.14 | tensai | no, ssh is a tcp protocol. spoofing it would be quite difficult |
| 00:56.21 | Maquis | ok.. |
| 00:56.27 | Maquis | so, how are they getting around the NAT, then??? |
| 00:56.36 | Maquis | i'd really like to know how to log into my server from off-campus |
| 00:56.36 | tensai | that I have no idea about |
| 00:56.51 | Maquis | the other question is, i was just looking in apache2's access_log |
| 00:57.13 | Maquis | and i noticed some really really long entries... most of which are filled with \x90... |
| 00:57.15 | tensai | if I thought OIT would actually have a clue I would suggest you report it to them |
| 00:57.23 | tensai | buffer overflow attempt |
| 00:57.37 | tensai | the ssh login thing is something those of us with public ips have been dealing with for a while |
| 00:57.37 | Maquis | ok... and? |
| 00:57.49 | tensai | there's a worm going around that tries a whole bunch of passwords |
| 00:57.52 | Maquis | tensai: yeah... figures... is there anything to do about it? |
| 00:58.02 | Maquis | this one tried 700 passwords on my laptop |
| 00:58.09 | tensai | I have an ssh tool that blacklists hosts after X number of attempts |
| 00:58.10 | Maquis | er |
| 00:58.12 | Maquis | not passwords |
| 00:58.21 | Maquis | just login names |
| 00:58.28 | tensai | yeah, they try a whole bunch of names like patrick and susan |
| 00:58.45 | Maquis | i'm very puzzled that i don't see any record anywhere of it trying 'root' |
| 00:59.22 | Maquis | anyway, on the buffer-overflow attack, the line is 30,824 characters long according to vim (i think that's what that says) |
| 00:59.38 | Maquis | is there anything i can really do about either of these problems? |
| 00:59.46 | Maquis | or should i even be worried? |
| 00:59.49 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/blog/node/28 for my ssh login tool |
| 01:00.06 | tensai | assuming you've got good passwords on *every* account, it's relatively harmless |
| 01:00.11 | tensai | annoying but harmless |
| 01:00.47 | Maquis | i only have 2 accounts on each computer |
| 01:00.54 | Maquis | and from what i can tell, they didn't try either |
| 01:01.01 | Maquis | and i think my passwords are pretty good |
| 01:01.12 | Maquis | they're not the type of thing that you'd ever see in a dictionary attack |
| 01:01.52 | Maquis | question... i've seen some automatic password generators occasionally (there's one in portage i think) |
| 01:02.02 | tensai | I've seen the source code to this worm and the passwords are pretty simple (so far) |
| 01:02.12 | Maquis | i was curious if anybody had ever tried using one of those as a part of a dictionary attack |
| 01:03.05 | Maquis | or would that just have too little of a chance of collision? |
| 01:04.35 | tensai | I've never heard of such a thing. it's a whole lot easier to try the easy ones and then move on to the next host. |
| 01:05.19 | Maquis | true |
| 01:06.02 | tensai | as for the buffer overflows, generally those are IIS exploits. apache just isn't targeted as much. |
| 01:06.22 | tensai | codered, nimda, et. al. are still live in the wild |
| 01:06.41 | Maquis | ok.... so... did they just try without checking to see if i was running IIS or apache? |
| 01:06.57 | Maquis | (your guess... i don't expect you to read the hacker's mind) |
| 01:06.59 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:08.39 | tensai | yeah. I see a number of worms hit my box. In fact, when codered broke out we (Novell) used my apache logs to track infected hosts. |
| 01:10.55 | tensai | it was funny too when that happened. there had been a huge hubub about codered before it started and Novell issued a statement to all employees that because of the company firewall we were invulnerable to IIS. |
| 01:11.27 | tensai | well, that only lasted 2 days. Just took one user on a VPN (like the wireless which was not behind a firewall ATT) and that was that. |
| 01:19.37 | Maquis | ick |
| 01:20.06 | Maquis | that's ugly |
| 01:29.50 | Maquis | ok... who's got the bot running against phantom |
| 01:30.01 | Maquis | because the server is painfully slow |
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| 01:41.54 | Maquis | hi levi-treo |
| 01:42.02 | levi-treo | Man, this stake center is packed. |
| 01:42.12 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:42.49 | Maquis | so, how is the session? |
| 01:42.54 | levi-treo | men's chorus? |
| 01:43.05 | Maquis | men's chorus... |
| 01:43.09 | Maquis | they're singing |
| 01:43.20 | Maquis | anyway... :) |
| 01:43.29 | levi-treo | Where? |
| 01:43.37 | Maquis | at the conference center |
| 01:43.56 | Maquis | anyway, who's spoken so far? |
| 01:44.06 | levi-treo | Not right now. |
| 01:44.20 | levi-treo | I just got here. |
| 01:45.23 | levi-treo | So far, it's a typical Priesthood session. |
| 01:46.16 | levi-treo | Robert C Oaks is wrapping up his talk. |
| 01:46.52 | levi-treo | Pres. Faust is next, then Monson. |
| 01:48.33 | levi-treo | You still there? |
| 01:49.40 | Maquis | yeah |
| 01:49.41 | Maquis | sorry |
| 01:49.43 | levi-treo | Hmm. Things I could learn on my mission. |
| 01:49.47 | Maquis | wandered off to put some water on the stove |
| 01:50.22 | levi-treo | Tsk. |
| 01:52.05 | Maquis | tsk what? |
| 01:52.35 | levi-treo | You wandered off. |
| 01:52.41 | Maquis | sorry.. |
| 01:53.26 | levi-treo | Hmm, Faust neglected to mention that Marie Curie's perseverence killed her. :) |
| 01:59.40 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:07.14 | levi-treo | Heh, bad jokes from Pres Monson about home teaching. |
| 02:07.22 | Maquis | haha |
| 02:13.58 | Maquis | what were the jokes? |
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| 02:51.06 | Maquis | fishyfire: sup? |
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| 03:09.47 | fishyfire | doing cs hw |
| 03:09.53 | LeviHome | Gah, why did I bother going? |
| 03:10.05 | fishyfire | and whimpering in pain with labs coming out the ears |
| 03:10.25 | fishyfire | what are you up to? |
| 03:13.58 | LeviHome | I'm shaking off grogginess from sleeping at Priesthood session. |
| 03:14.20 | fishyfire | lol |
| 03:14.38 | fishyfire | i'm so glad that you enjoyed ut |
| 03:14.40 | fishyfire | it |
| 03:14.55 | Maquis | fishyfire: i understand |
| 03:14.58 | Maquis | term project due monday |
| 03:15.03 | fishyfire | eww |
| 03:15.06 | Maquis | still haven't finished the cs lab that was due last tuesday |
| 03:15.25 | fishyfire | i think i will be going in begging for mercy |
| 03:15.37 | Maquis | what class? |
| 03:15.41 | fishyfire | 235 |
| 03:15.47 | Maquis | ah... i understand |
| 03:15.56 | Maquis | the TAs for that class are nice :) who's the prof? |
| 03:15.59 | Maquis | barker? |
| 03:16.01 | fishyfire | yeah |
| 03:16.04 | fishyfire | any hope there? |
| 03:16.13 | Maquis | dunno... i never begged |
| 03:16.17 | fishyfire | lol |
| 03:16.22 | Maquis | i should've |
| 03:16.33 | fishyfire | labs were down when i was trying to get it done for 80% |
| 03:16.39 | Maquis | barely passed 235 with him |
| 03:17.27 | fishyfire | then i got about an hour or two of sleep wed. night staying up all night trying to get a project done |
| 03:17.27 | Maquis | hmmm... that might be a valid excuse |
| 03:17.37 | Maquis | ick |
| 03:17.46 | Maquis | i've managed to get about 3 hours each night this week |
| 03:17.58 | Maquis | (last night got about 6 hours, and it felt very nice |
| 03:17.59 | fishyfire | then i went in for about 6 hours thursday to try and get it done |
| 03:18.16 | fishyfire | but when you can't think straight it doesn't work too well |
| 03:18.21 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:18.29 | Maquis | did you try begging the TAs for help? |
| 03:18.47 | fishyfire | did email him after the lab was down the first time and he emailed back and asked if i could have it done by tues |
| 03:18.53 | fishyfire | which didn't happen |
| 03:19.05 | fishyfire | well the ta list was like 500 miles long |
| 03:19.20 | Maquis | hmmmm |
| 03:19.27 | fishyfire | i did get help at one time |
| 03:19.30 | Maquis | yeah, i suppose in 235 it would usually be |
| 03:19.41 | fishyfire | and tried to fix my problems |
| 03:19.48 | fishyfire | but the brain wasn't working |
| 03:20.05 | Maquis | i'm occasionally in that lab when there isn't a line for the TA... but that's probably at odd times when not as many people are in there |
| 03:20.08 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 03:20.15 | Maquis | dain-bramaged from cs :) |
| 03:20.15 | fishyfire | so working on that lab didn't get the one that was due thurs started at all |
| 03:20.28 | fishyfire | and there is another one due this thurs |
| 03:20.32 | Maquis | and thus we start the cycle |
| 03:20.39 | fishyfire | so i am feeling a little brain fried |
| 03:20.56 | fishyfire | i also have 224 labs |
| 03:21.01 | Maquis | yeah |
| 03:21.03 | fishyfire | and ecen 317 labs |
| 03:21.14 | Maquis | although the 224 labs aren't as time-intensive (usually) |
| 03:21.25 | Maquis | i don't know about ecen317 |
| 03:21.25 | fishyfire | yeah... not quite as long |
| 03:21.35 | fishyfire | well normal people can get them done okay |
| 03:21.41 | Maquis | haha |
| 03:21.50 | Maquis | isn't that always the most frustrating part |
| 03:21.51 | Maquis | ? |
| 03:21.55 | fishyfire | but for some reason my lab partner and i manage to make small mistakes in our labs |
| 03:22.04 | fishyfire | that take the ta's forever to find |
| 03:22.28 | fishyfire | but i think they are getting used to seeing us come askign for help |
| 03:25.20 | fishyfire | i hate that too |
| 03:25.31 | fishyfire | fortunately i dropped the math class i had |
| 03:25.37 | fishyfire | that would have killed me for sure |
| 03:25.39 | mheath | Hmm. Where could I put a RFC "general concepts" document describing a software package format I'm working on, and get some good feedback? |
| 03:26.10 | mheath | Anyone know, for example, an appropriate usenet topic or a general mailing list that's appropriate for the topic? |
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| 03:37.10 | LeviHome | Your guess is as good as mine. |
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| 04:09.49 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 04:09.56 | fishyfire | we should have a cookie party |
| 04:10.01 | fishyfire | i feel like that a lot |
| 04:10.06 | Maquis | i'm so tired of the two projects i have to do that i feel like doing anything else |
| 04:10.14 | fishyfire | use cooking as a stress break |
| 04:10.23 | fishyfire | yeah.... know how that goes |
| 04:10.27 | Maquis | but one's due on monday (and doesn't really have any late days possible) and the other was due last tuesday, and i lose 10% each day |
| 04:11.39 | fishyfire | hmm yeah guess they should probably be finished asap |
| 04:11.53 | fishyfire | are they programs or? |
| 04:12.02 | Maquis | one's a program |
| 04:12.23 | Maquis | the other's a term project for my civ class (50% of grade iirc) |
| 04:16.32 | fishyfire | i love it when classes give you homework that the book doesn't explain how to do |
| 04:16.47 | fishyfire | and then expect you to randomly know what they want you to do |
| 04:17.37 | Maquis | fishyfire: that's when i go to wikipedia or google |
| 04:17.59 | fishyfire | good ol' 4LUTS |
| 04:18.05 | Maquis | i've done my past 2 cs345 weekly hws from those two... |
| 04:18.44 | fishyfire | ok |
| 04:18.48 | fishyfire | will have to try that |
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| 05:06.23 | findlay | hi |
| 05:07.24 | incrediboy | I know all your moves, your favorite catch phrases, everything! I'm your #1 fan! |
| 05:07.54 | incrediboy | Keep up your bright swords, for the dew will rust them. |
| 05:08.07 | LeviHome | Hi, findlay. |
| 05:08.35 | incrediboy | hey LeviHome |
| 05:15.41 | LeviHome | I finally got a decent start on my Common Lisp blog engine. |
| 05:16.58 | LeviHome | And I'm thoroughly enjoying Radio Paradise tonight. |
| 05:18.05 | brailsmt | when is sizeof(foo) calculated, compile time, or run time? |
| 05:18.12 | hans | compile I think |
| 05:18.24 | brailsmt | thats what i thought too... |
| 05:20.57 | LeviHome | I'm also pretty sure it's compile time. |
| 05:21.10 | LeviHome | Since it's not an actual function. |
| 05:22.05 | brailsmt | in the mouth of two or three witnesses... |
| 05:22.07 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:22.48 | incrediboy | it's not? To think of all those years I've been deceived! |
| 05:22.51 | incrediboy | what? |
| 05:22.53 | incrediboy | oh |
| 05:23.04 | LeviHome | You can pass it a type name instead of a variable, too. |
| 05:23.12 | LeviHome | That wouldn't work very well as a function! |
| 05:23.20 | LeviHome | You also don't need the parentheses in some cases. |
| 05:24.04 | findlay | c++ templates can accept typenames _and_ identifiers |
| 05:24.29 | findlay | or bare constants at that, I think |
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| 05:42.34 | LeviHome | Yeah, templates are one of the really cool C++ features. |
| 05:42.57 | LeviHome | Unfortunately, they were in their infancy when I was first learning C++, so I didn't learn them very well. |
| 05:46.15 | findlay | holy phases batman, what are we going to do with 2.00390625 GB of email storage? |
| 05:46.31 | findlay | the same thing we do every night, try to take over the world! |
| 05:47.34 | LeviHome | Google had to 1-up Yahoo, now that Yahoo caught up with them. |
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| 05:48.56 | findlay | hey gabe |
| 05:49.00 | ggundy | word |
| 05:49.16 | ggundy | evil plans? |
| 05:49.25 | findlay | yeah |
| 05:49.32 | ggundy | nice |
| 05:49.33 | findlay | they've been frustrated |
| 05:49.41 | ggundy | so sad |
| 05:50.16 | ggundy | anyone here hacked a wrt45g? |
| 05:50.26 | ggundy | Linksys |
| 05:50.56 | ggundy | anyone awake? |
| 05:51.13 | LeviHome | Gah. I HATE inkjet printers. |
| 05:51.27 | LeviHome | Haven't hacked one, ggundy. |
| 05:51.46 | ggundy | anything worth printing should be B&W - laser. |
| 05:51.58 | ggundy | crayon are for color |
| 05:52.35 | ggundy | it's been cool hacking it (wrt45g) - fun little box for $59 |
| 05:52.58 | ggundy | I'm going to set up asterisk on it tonight. |
| 05:54.56 | ggundy | I guess with day light savings, it's past my bed time. Later. |
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| 06:06.59 | brailsmt | ggundy, not until 2:00 AM |
| 06:07.23 | brailsmt | so be sure to schedule your cron jobs for 2:30 AM :) |
| 06:08.46 | brailsmt | or at least beware that any cronjobs you have scheduled between 2:00 AM and 3:00 AM will be run... |
| 06:08.51 | brailsmt | err... |
| 06:08.57 | brailsmt | will *not* be run |
| 06:09.15 | findlay | really? |
| 06:09.42 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 06:10.22 | brailsmt | findlay: nevermind... |
| 06:10.34 | findlay | (: |
| 06:10.39 | brailsmt | well, at least if you are using vixie cron, nevermind |
| 06:11.46 | brailsmt | as long os the clock does not skip ahead more than three hours, then vixie cron will handle it correctly, ie. running the skipped jobs immediately... |
| 06:11.57 | brailsmt | i bet other crons, handle it differently... |
| 06:12.20 | findlay | is cron in POSIX? |
| 06:12.46 | brailsmt | i bet the default solaris cron will not handle it right... at least some unix cron i have seen doesn't handle it... |
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| 07:41.13 | levi-laptop | Wow, this performance of U2 - Please is amazing. |
| 07:42.17 | levi-laptop | Maquis: Why don't you like the time change? |
| 07:50.59 | findlay | ~lart manti telephone gratutiously |
| 07:58.18 | levi-laptop | Sleep time... |
| 07:58.32 | brailsmt | i like one time change each year... |
| 07:58.36 | brailsmt | the other i loathe |
| 07:58.42 | brailsmt | this one happens to be the one i loathe |
| 07:58.51 | brailsmt | because i lose an hour sleep... |
| 07:58.59 | levi-laptop | I like this one, because it gives me more light in the evening. |
| 07:59.15 | levi-laptop | An hour of sleep on one day is no big deal. |
| 07:59.34 | levi-laptop | Half a year of an extra hour of daylight is huge! |
| 08:00.03 | findlay | brailsmt: just think of it as making that hour of sleep gained in the fall, and then it will all be worth it |
| 08:00.05 | brailsmt | i think they should get rid of daylight savings altogether... |
| 08:00.30 | levi-laptop | This means I can go cycling in the evening without a light. |
| 08:00.36 | brailsmt | it was created way back when... |
| 08:00.48 | levi-laptop | Anyway, I'm off to bed. |
| 08:00.54 | brailsmt | before electric lights |
| 08:01.15 | findlay | nah, I think Benjamin Franklin invented daylight savings time to impose one more hour of daylight to perpetuate the dark deeds of a conspiracy theory |
| 08:01.34 | brailsmt | it should be noted that we are now, moving off of daylight savings time... |
| 08:01.44 | brailsmt | we go back on in the fall... |
| 08:01.52 | findlay | the extra hour every day subtly submits us to extra UV radiation and burns our lawns |
| 08:01.59 | brailsmt | so things are now, how they should always stay... |
| 08:02.28 | findlay | I say we reject it altogether, that 24 hours per day is all there should be year round |
| 08:02.41 | brailsmt | findlay: you are wrong |
| 08:02.55 | findlay | (: |
| 08:04.40 | findlay | ~wiki Benjamin Franklin |
| 08:04.44 | brailsmt | there is actually 24.00027 hours in each day |
| 08:05.07 | findlay | solar or sidreal day? |
| 08:06.21 | brailsmt | findlay: well, it well known that there are 365.25 days in a year... |
| 08:06.32 | brailsmt | hence leap year every 4 years... |
| 08:06.43 | findlay | solar day then, probably |
| 08:06.45 | brailsmt | so each year has 6 extra hours... |
| 08:06.55 | findlay | a solar day is defined by the |
| 08:07.02 | findlay | oops, just a second... |
| 08:07.10 | brailsmt | 6 hours / 365 days == .00027... |
| 08:07.16 | Maquis | levi-laptop: i like my sleep |
| 08:07.39 | Maquis | when you're in the dungeons, there is no distinction |
| 08:07.43 | tene | I personally would prefer much longer days. |
| 08:07.52 | Maquis | an hour of sleep, on the other hand... |
| 08:07.55 | Maquis | that makes a difference |
| 08:07.57 | findlay | a solar day is defined by the time it takes for the mean sun to make exactly one ``revolution'' |
| 08:08.07 | brailsmt | so if my math is not horribly off since it's 2:00^H^H^H^H3:00 AM, then each day is 24.00027 hours long... |
| 08:08.23 | Maquis | 3am??? |
| 08:08.27 | Maquis | did i miss something? |
| 08:08.35 | Maquis | my watch says 1:10 |
| 08:08.51 | Maquis | oh.. really? |
| 08:08.52 | Maquis | where? |
| 08:08.55 | findlay | but since the earth orbits the sun, each day the position relative to the earth of the mean sun gradually rotates completing about 2\pi throughout the year |
| 08:09.16 | brailsmt | Kansas City, MO |
| 08:09.27 | Maquis | brailsmt: cool... |
| 08:09.33 | Maquis | somehow i think i knew that at one point |
| 08:09.36 | brailsmt | it should be noted that I live in Zion |
| 08:09.39 | findlay | Maquis: no, gross, stop while you can |
| 08:09.51 | Maquis | findlay: why??? i love this song |
| 08:10.04 | findlay | or get a decent recording with the English Concert/Trevor Pinnock |
| 08:10.15 | findlay | because nobody plays it right |
| 08:10.17 | brailsmt | i mean the real one, the garden of eden, etc... |
| 08:10.31 | brailsmt | and you guys don't :p |
| 08:10.46 | Maquis | findlay: i've seen a number of different ways to play it |
| 08:11.06 | Maquis | actually, the way i was first introduced to it was learning to play one version of it on the piano |
| 08:11.08 | findlay | Pachelbel's other works are unfortunately eclipsed by the ever popular devotion to profanely romanticized versions of his one cannon |
| 08:11.10 | Maquis | and i fell in love with it |
| 08:11.23 | findlay | Maquis: besides, nobody ever plays the Gigue |
| 08:11.29 | brailsmt | and actually when we move we will just barely still be in Jackson County... three streets to the south of us is the Jackson/Cass County line... |
| 08:11.34 | findlay | it's actually cannon and gigue |
| 08:11.42 | Maquis | brailsmt: nice |
| 08:11.49 | Maquis | findlay: ??? |
| 08:12.16 | findlay | OK |
| 08:12.58 | findlay | the cannon is a polyphonic form popular in the Renissance and Baroque periods of Western music |
| 08:12.59 | tene | I would *love* to try out, say, 48-hour days. |
| 08:13.18 | Maquis | findlay: ok |
| 08:13.30 | Maquis | (but isn't it canon, not cannon?) |
| 08:13.34 | findlay | Pcahelbel's famous ``Cannon'' is actually not strictly a cannon |
| 08:13.39 | findlay | whatever |
| 08:13.41 | brailsmt | tene: just bring your caffeine... the initial transition from 24-48 would be brutal |
| 08:13.48 | Maquis | findlay: why not? |
| 08:14.08 | brailsmt | but 48 hours days would suck, you would suddenly live half as long :) |
| 08:14.29 | tene | actually, I doubt I'd have much of a problem with it. |
| 08:14.46 | findlay | ~wiki canon_(music) |
| 08:14.47 | Maquis | (on 48-hour-days) |
| 08:14.49 | tene | I have to force myself to bed as it is. |
| 08:15.00 | brailsmt | i have to force myself out of bed... |
| 08:15.13 | brailsmt | usually after only 4 hours of sleep... |
| 08:15.18 | findlay | Pachelbel's cannon is like a mixture of a canon and a passicaglia |
| 08:15.19 | brailsmt | then the next 20 hours suck... |
| 08:15.22 | Maquis | brailsmt: that sounds like me |
| 08:15.27 | Maquis | findlay: ok... |
| 08:15.30 | brailsmt | then i do it all over... |
| 08:15.32 | tene | the only reason I'm able to get to sleep at all is because I had to force myself out of bed far before my body would consider reasonable. |
| 08:15.48 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.08 | findlay | a sidereal day is defined as the time it takes for the earth to rotate exactly 2\pi |
| 08:16.55 | findlay | for a celestial body like the moon, which is tidally locked, it's `terrestrial' day is exactly equal to one orbit |
| 08:17.11 | brailsmt | a geek's typical day is from 10AM to 4:00 AM... |
| 08:17.27 | brailsmt | kidding... |
| 08:17.31 | brailsmt | though not that much... |
| 08:17.33 | tene | I wish |
| 08:18.05 | findlay | Maquis: Pachelbel's canon is a repeated 4 measure base line with 3 violino parts that are _exactly_ the same, only offset by 2 measures each |
| 08:18.13 | Maquis | brailsmt: from what i've heard, that's how caltech's schedule is |
| 08:18.36 | findlay | except the 1st and 2nd parts have 6 and 4, respectively more measures at the end |
| 08:19.04 | findlay | it's basically like a very long and well written round |
| 08:19.34 | findlay | make that 4 and 2 |
| 08:19.36 | brailsmt | luckily, only in 90 degree increments |
| 08:19.57 | brailsmt | and for a small set of shapes... |
| 08:20.10 | Maquis | findlay: unh |
| 08:20.15 | Maquis | (that means yes in chinese) |
| 08:20.27 | findlay | many times |
| 08:20.51 | findlay | so Pachelbel wrote the canon _and_ gigue |
| 08:21.11 | findlay | it's a package deal, a two movement work, but unfortunately nobody ever plays the gigue |
| 08:21.21 | Maquis | ah... |
| 08:21.32 | findlay | ~wiki gigue |
| 08:22.04 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-67-161-242-223.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:22.07 | brailsmt | err... |
| 08:22.13 | brailsmt | make that a vector... |
| 08:22.14 | Maquis | findlay: thanks for explaining |
| 08:22.33 | tene | 'apsifdhs;ofiuasodfj;oasjidf;soifaj;sodijf;asoidjf;sdoifj;o3reuwo9re |
| 08:22.36 | tene | ack, sorry |
| 08:22.40 | tene | brainstatic |
| 08:22.42 | brailsmt | ~wiki crapola |
| 08:22.58 | brailsmt | stoopid ibot |
| 08:23.04 | brailsmt | ~lart ib0t |
| 08:23.28 | Maquis | ~lart large projects |
| 08:23.33 | brailsmt | tene: no, that looks like perl |
| 08:23.36 | Maquis | that was a stupid lart |
| 08:23.47 | Maquis | ~lart large projects |
| 08:24.07 | tene | brailsmt: there are no /s or grouping chars. |
| 08:24.26 | findlay | ~lart Maquis' large projects because she is lart happy and I am all out of good larts for Maquis |
| 08:25.10 | Maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 08:25.15 | scott | is gmail ever going to stop increasing the space? |
| 08:25.26 | findlay | not until it covers the world! |
| 08:25.26 | Maquis | scott: don't complain |
| 08:25.53 | findlay | or better yet, the known Universe! |
| 08:25.56 | scott | Maquis, I'm not, once it hits a couple more gigs I'm going to store all my music there |
| 08:26.15 | brailsmt | tene: that is valid perl if those are all subroutines |
| 08:26.17 | brailsmt | :) |
| 08:26.40 | tene | what about the leading '? |
| 08:26.44 | brailsmt | no, dangit, you had to throw that ' in there... |
| 08:26.48 | tene | heh |
| 08:26.57 | brailsmt | ~lart ' |
| 08:28.07 | brailsmt | then claiming innocence tommorrow... |
| 08:28.32 | brailsmt | "What? I forgot it was daylight savings" |
| 08:28.33 | tene | Ooo! |
| 08:28.39 | tene | turn it *back*, brailsmt! |
| 08:28.47 | findlay | isn't it OOo? |
| 08:28.50 | tene | and claim that you remembered, but got confused! |
| 08:29.01 | brailsmt | :( |
| 08:29.11 | findlay | the sad thing is, I've actually done that before |
| 08:29.17 | findlay | seriously |
| 08:29.28 | tene | "seriously" |
| 08:29.36 | findlay | seriously |
| 08:29.47 | tene | yeah, I know. |
| 08:29.48 | tene | "seriously" |
| 08:29.49 | brailsmt | of course if i do that then, i would have to say i didn't go to priesthood session of conference... |
| 08:30.24 | findlay | you still got confused with the whole ``backwards''/``forwards'' deal |
| 08:30.27 | brailsmt | unless, "I must have been in the bathroom when they reminded us, and I thought that was October when we changed the clocks" |
| 08:30.53 | findlay | you were wondering about why the 4th dimension is nominated with those misleading adjectives and got confused |
| 08:31.14 | brailsmt | then launch a tirade about daylight savings, and throw in a few jabs at MS to make sure everyone tunes out... |
| 08:31.16 | findlay | and started thinking about Minkowsky space |
| 08:31.52 | findlay | ~wiki Minkowski_space |
| 08:31.59 | tene | you thought that it was time going forward, not you going forward. |
| 08:31.59 | brailsmt | *ZAAAP* |
| 08:32.46 | brailsmt | but being devious is so fun... |
| 08:32.55 | brailsmt | *sigh* |
| 08:33.00 | brailsmt | I need to go to bed... |
| 08:33.05 | findlay | and nobody can blame you for getting confused by so many directions to remember in hyperspace |
| 08:33.13 | brailsmt | unless you didn't already notice that by my wild ramblings... |
| 08:33.19 | findlay | 4-hyperspace that is |
| 08:33.53 | brailsmt | sometimes, i wish i were dumb... then i could get away with stuff like this... |
| 08:34.18 | brailsmt | but, nooooooo, i had to be born with brains... |
| 08:34.20 | brailsmt | sheesh |
| 08:34.35 | brailsmt | so now, i have to be accountable... grrr.... |
| 08:34.39 | findlay | hey, people accuse me of being smart sometimes, and I still do |
| 08:35.20 | brailsmt | the thing is... I think I have played 'I forgot' card a few too many times for my wife to fall for it... |
| 08:35.24 | brailsmt | again |
| 08:35.33 | findlay | (: |
| 08:36.07 | tene | don't do it, brailsmt. |
| 08:36.11 | tene | set it ahead. |
| 08:36.14 | brailsmt | "You were supposed to take the trash out, this morning"..."Oh, I forgot, sorry <yeah, right I |
| 08:36.23 | brailsmt | m sorry>" |
| 08:36.24 | brailsmt | :) |
| 08:36.40 | findlay | sometimes as confused as Maquis |
| 08:36.48 | findlay | just kidding Maquis |
| 08:37.03 | Maquis | findlay: huh? |
| 08:37.05 | Maquis | :) |
| 08:37.07 | tene | I sympathize with the "I wish I were dumb" thing. |
| 08:37.13 | brailsmt | maybe i should set it ahead *two* hours, and say that I couldn't wait to wake up and see my wife's pretty face |
| 08:37.16 | brailsmt | :) |
| 08:37.54 | brailsmt | though she might get mad that i woke her up an hour early... |
| 08:37.57 | Maquis | brailsmt: that excuse just might keep you from getting smacked... |
| 08:38.07 | brailsmt | nope, an hour ahead it is... |
| 08:38.19 | findlay | lol |
| 08:38.20 | Maquis | speaking of smacking people... where's goo? |
| 08:38.31 | findlay | ~seen goozbach |
| 08:38.33 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah (4d 1h 31m 35s). Has said a total of 91 messages. Is idling for 7h 46m 1s |
| 08:38.33 | brailsmt | ~slap goo |
| 08:38.35 | ibot | ACTION slaps goo, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 08:38.49 | findlay | ~wake goozbach |
| 08:38.51 | ibot | goozbach: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 08:38.51 | brailsmt | ~slap ib0t |
| 08:38.54 | ibot | ACTION slaps ib0t, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 08:39.08 | tene | ~slap ibt |
| 08:39.10 | ibot | ACTION slaps ibt, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 08:39.11 | brailsmt | ~whaleslap ib0t |
| 08:39.13 | ibot | ACTION slaps ib0t upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 08:39.16 | tene | ~slap ibot |
| 08:39.18 | ibot | ACTION slaps ibot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 08:39.18 | SpecialK | ~fish Maquis |
| 08:39.21 | ibot | ACTION slaps Maquis around with a large trout |
| 08:39.23 | Maquis | ~ruler SpecialK |
| 08:39.28 | tene | ~lart ibot |
| 08:39.43 | brailsmt | nice trick... |
| 08:39.44 | Maquis | ibot: boo |
| 08:39.45 | ibot | maquis, for heven's sake, don't do that! |
| 08:39.55 | brailsmt | how'd you fool ibot into larting itself? |
| 08:40.07 | brailsmt | ~lart ibot |
| 08:40.13 | brailsmt | hrmm... |
| 08:40.25 | brailsmt | last i checked, ibot wouldn't lart itself |
| 08:40.31 | Maquis | ~ruler SpecialK |
| 08:40.33 | ibot | ACTION slaps SpecialK's wrists with a ruler |
| 08:40.56 | brailsmt | ~broken_bottle Maquis |
| 08:41.04 | brailsmt | dangit... |
| 08:41.23 | Maquis | ~flog brailsmt |
| 08:41.26 | ibot | ACTION hog-ties brailsmt and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 08:41.36 | brailsmt | ~ibot ibot |
| 08:41.37 | ibot | i heard ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. a bigot, or the man, or a girl, or ``a filthy scum bag'' |
| 08:41.56 | brailsmt | ~seduce ibot |
| 08:42.05 | brailsmt | dangit... |
| 08:42.09 | brailsmt | ibot hates me... |
| 08:42.20 | brailsmt | ~lart ibot |
| 08:42.29 | brailsmt | i second that |
| 08:42.49 | brailsmt | ~ibot perl sucks |
| 08:43.08 | Maquis | brailsmt: it doesn't work that way, i think |
| 08:43.26 | tene | ibot: perl |
| 08:43.27 | ibot | it has been said that perl is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Perl or at http://www.perl.com, or a knitting stitch, or the Pathologically Eclectic rubbish Lister, or that other "P" language |
| 08:44.28 | tene | ibot: brailsmt |
| 08:44.29 | findlay | ibot: what about emerald, that other gem language |
| 08:44.44 | findlay | ~Maquis |
| 08:44.45 | ibot | Viva la France! |
| 08:44.56 | findlay | ibot must be tired |
| 08:45.09 | findlay | what, that's it? |
| 08:45.13 | tene | ibot: brailsmt |
| 08:45.20 | findlay | ~brailsmt |
| 08:45.25 | brailsmt | ~me |
| 08:45.29 | findlay | ~you |
| 08:45.30 | ibot | i'm a broken bot |
| 08:45.30 | brailsmt | ~~ |
| 08:45.34 | Maquis | ibot: forget maquis |
| 08:45.50 | brailsmt | lol |
| 08:46.11 | brailsmt | ibot: forget your life... |
| 08:46.11 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'your life...' to forget, brailsmt |
| 08:46.19 | brailsmt | ibot: shoot yourself |
| 08:46.21 | ibot | ACTION shoots yourself in the head with a cork gun! |
| 08:46.37 | brailsmt | ibot: shoot itself |
| 08:46.40 | ibot | ACTION shoots itself in the foot with a quantum singularity weapon! |
| 08:46.40 | Maquis | ibot: no, maquis is <reply> i don't give information like that to filthy cardassian spies |
| 08:46.41 | ibot | Maquis: okay |
| 08:46.45 | Maquis | ~Maquis |
| 08:46.46 | ibot | i don't give information like that to filthy cardassian spies |
| 08:47.13 | findlay | ~duh |
| 08:47.14 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, duh is an exclamation showing absence of common knowledge |
| 08:47.24 | brailsmt | ~lart itself |
| 08:47.30 | tene | ibot: brailsmt |
| 08:47.32 | findlay | awww |
| 08:47.35 | brailsmt | ~lart itself |
| 08:47.54 | brailsmt | c'mon play nice ibot |
| 08:48.11 | brailsmt | ~roullete ibot |
| 08:48.22 | brailsmt | ~roulette ibot |
| 08:48.35 | Maquis | ~roulette |
| 08:48.37 | ibot | |roulette |
| 08:48.38 | tene | ~lart himself |
| 08:48.49 | Maquis | ~glove |
| 08:48.50 | ibot | Data acquisition, manipulation, and analysis program for X-Windows. URL: http://www.its.caltech.edu/~glenn/glove/ |
| 08:49.00 | brailsmt | sheesh.... I gotta go to bed... |
| 08:49.04 | brailsmt | ~goofnight |
| 08:49.08 | findlay | brigham's loafing off again |
| 08:49.12 | brailsmt | ~goodnight |
| 08:49.13 | ibot | Have a goodnight! |
| 08:49.14 | Maquis | yes... he is |
| 08:49.22 | findlay | ~sing goodnight |
| 08:49.24 | brailsmt | ~sleeptight |
| 08:49.33 | brailsmt | ~lullabye |
| 08:49.43 | findlay | now I've got west side story in my head |
| 08:50.04 | tene | ibot: brailsmt is chocolate-covered cotton |
| 08:50.07 | ibot | tene: okay |
| 08:50.10 | tene | ibot: brailsmt |
| 08:50.13 | ibot | somebody said brailsmt was chocolate-covered cotton |
| 08:50.13 | brailsmt | *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 08:50.31 | findlay | ibot: tene is chocolate covered sugar bombs |
| 08:50.32 | ibot | ...but tene is already something else... |
| 08:50.37 | findlay | ibot: tene is also chocolate covered sugar bombs |
| 08:50.38 | ibot | okay, findlay |
| 08:50.38 | brailsmt | ~forget brailsmt |
| 08:50.38 | ibot | brailsmt: i didn't have anything called 'brailsmt ' to forget |
| 08:50.41 | tene | ibot: no, brailsmt is chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 08:50.42 | ibot | tene: okay |
| 08:50.46 | tene | ibot: brailsmt |
| 08:50.47 | ibot | somebody said brailsmt was chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 08:50.49 | findlay | ~tene |
| 08:50.50 | ibot | tene is probably Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate covered sugar bombs |
| 08:50.56 | tene | o.O |
| 08:51.00 | brailsmt | ~forget brailsmt |
| 08:51.00 | ibot | i didn't have anything called 'brailsmt ' to forget, brailsmt |
| 08:51.08 | brailsmt | ~forget brailsmt |
| 08:51.38 | tene | ibot: brailsmt |
| 08:51.39 | ibot | i heard brailsmt is chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 08:52.15 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 08:52.34 | findlay | ~findlay |
| 08:53.05 | brailsmt | ~karma tene |
| 08:53.05 | ibot | tene has karma of -1 |
| 08:53.11 | brailsmt | :) |
| 08:53.13 | tene | ~karma brailsmt |
| 08:53.13 | ibot | brailsmt has neutral karma |
| 08:53.16 | findlay | ~karma findlay |
| 08:53.16 | ibot | findlay has karma of 1 |
| 08:53.24 | tene | ~karma Maquis |
| 08:53.24 | ibot | maquis has karma of -2 |
| 08:53.25 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 08:53.27 | findlay | nice |
| 08:53.29 | brailsmt | ~karma tene |
| 08:53.29 | ibot | tene has karma of -2 |
| 08:53.57 | findlay | ibot: how do you change karma? |
| 08:54.14 | tene | brailsmt: /exec -o yes tene-- |
| 08:54.47 | findlay | that looks fun |
| 08:55.13 | findlay | ~brailsmt |
| 08:55.14 | ibot | from memory, brailsmt is chocolate-covered *CHERRY PIE!!!!* |
| 08:56.16 | aer48adf | ~forget brailsmt |
| 08:56.24 | aer48adf | dangit... |
| 08:56.56 | Maquis | brailsmt: try the "no" option |
| 08:57.27 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:57.33 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:57.35 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:57.44 | tene | hehe |
| 08:57.45 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:57.48 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:57.50 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.02 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.03 | findlay | ~findlay += \Aleph_1 |
| 08:58.05 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.07 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.09 | findlay | ~findlay+= \Aleph_1 |
| 08:58.10 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.15 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.22 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.27 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.28 | findlay | ~findlay+= \Aleph_\infty |
| 08:58.30 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.35 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.40 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.45 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.50 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.50 | Maquis | brailsmt: i think that unless you have a ~ in front, it's not actually doing anything |
| 08:58.52 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:58.55 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.00 | tene | ~karma tene |
| 08:59.00 | ibot | tene has karma of -2 |
| 08:59.02 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.03 | Maquis | only brigham would see it without a symbol in front |
| 08:59.05 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.07 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.11 | Maquis | and brigham's not online |
| 08:59.12 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.17 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.20 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.22 | Maquis | brailsmt: hello? |
| 08:59.22 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.30 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.32 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.35 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.37 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.47 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 08:59.55 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 09:00.07 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 09:00.12 | *** part/#utah brailsmt (~michael@adsl-65-69-65-239.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net) |
| 09:00.40 | tene | hehe |
| 09:00.51 | *** join/#utah brailsmt (~michael@adsl-65-69-65-239.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net) |
| 09:00.59 | tene | he actually tried my "/exec -o yes tene--" thing, I bet. |
| 09:00.59 | Maquis | i think he got stuck in an infinite loop and couldn't get out |
| 09:01.01 | brailsmt | ~karma tene |
| 09:01.01 | ibot | tene has karma of -2 |
| 09:01.19 | brailsmt | no, I was still seeing you guys typing stuff... |
| 09:01.23 | Maquis | brailsmt: that was productive |
| 09:01.31 | Maquis | brailsmt: what i mean is you couldn't stop printing |
| 09:01.31 | brailsmt | nope, not really... |
| 09:01.54 | brailsmt | Maquis: i did a quick 'killall -9 yes' in another window |
| 09:02.07 | Maquis | :) |
| 09:02.10 | brailsmt | but not until a few thousand lines preinted... |
| 09:02.14 | brailsmt | :D |
| 09:02.23 | tene | hehe |
| 09:02.29 | brailsmt | judgement goes out the window around 2:00 AM |
| 09:02.30 | tene | I'm such a naughty troublemaker, aren't I? |
| 09:03.20 | brailsmt | ~lart ib0t |
| 09:04.38 | brailsmt | ~karma tene |
| 09:04.38 | ibot | tene has karma of -2 |
| 09:04.47 | Maquis | ~tene-- |
| 09:04.49 | Maquis | ~karma tene |
| 09:04.49 | ibot | tene has karma of -3 |
| 09:08.21 | brailsmt | tene-- |
| 09:08.23 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 09:08.30 | brailsmt | ~karma tene |
| 09:08.30 | ibot | tene has karma of -4 |
| 09:08.33 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 09:08.35 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:08.40 | brailsmt | :)) |
| 09:08.43 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 09:08.45 | brailsmt | ~karma tene |
| 09:08.46 | ibot | tene has karma of -6 |
| 09:08.50 | tene | hehe |
| 09:09.00 | brailsmt | lol |
| 09:09.16 | tene | and to stop it, you just rm /bin/true |
| 09:09.49 | brailsmt | no |
| 09:09.56 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.24 | brailsmt | /msg ibot tene-- |
| 09:11.44 | tene | ~karma tene |
| 09:11.44 | ibot | tene has karma of -6 |
| 09:11.49 | brailsmt | /msg ibot tene-- |
| 09:11.58 | brailsmt | hah... |
| 09:12.13 | brailsmt | it doesn't work... |
| 09:12.24 | tene | you lose all the way! |
| 09:12.34 | tene | Maquis gets your prize! |
| 09:12.36 | brailsmt | i just wated 15 minutes o nthat... |
| 09:12.45 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 09:12.58 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 09:13.08 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 09:13.21 | brailsmt | karma tene |
| 09:13.44 | brailsmt | ~karma tene |
| 09:13.44 | ibot | tene has karma of -9 |
| 09:13.49 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 09:13.55 | brailsmt | there... |
| 09:13.58 | brailsmt | for good measure... |
| 09:14.03 | tene | I still think that you should use /bin/yes |
| 09:14.12 | brailsmt | tene: in your next life, you will be a dog... |
| 09:14.40 | tene | what data type is karma stored as? |
| 09:14.58 | tene | I'm hoping that I can get a low enough karma to crash Life. |
| 09:15.11 | brailsmt | tene: there is not way to control the rate, and ibot will reject any request that comes in sooner than 10 seconds from the previous identical one... |
| 09:15.18 | brailsmt | lol |
| 09:16.19 | brailsmt | ibot uses a 32 bit int, which will wrap when you get to -2*31 |
| 09:16.25 | brailsmt | s/*/^/ |
| 09:17.23 | brailsmt | i meant: s/\*/%/ |
| 09:18.25 | tene | so it's your job to get my karma down to -2^31 |
| 09:18.43 | tene | because "down is the new up" |
| 09:19.18 | brailsmt | or up is the new down... |
| 09:19.36 | brailsmt | either way... |
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| 18:16.48 | ibot | bonk bonk bonk |
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| 21:10.35 | levi-treo | Yo. |
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| 22:03.35 | xbmodder-lappy | hello |
| 22:03.36 | xbmodder-lappy | i need some halp |
| 22:03.38 | xbmodder-lappy | *help |
| 22:03.41 | xbmodder-lappy | non-OSS thing |
| 22:03.45 | xbmodder-lappy | and not crazy thing |
| 22:03.55 | xbmodder-lappy | umm |
| 22:04.07 | xbmodder-lappy | what do i get for a girl i like a bit birthday? |
| 22:04.16 | xbmodder-lappy | les than 50 bucks preferabl |
| 22:04.18 | xbmodder-lappy | y |
| 22:11.10 | tene | alligator |
| 22:19.09 | xbmodder-lappy | no. |
| 22:23.10 | xbmodder-lappy | damit. |
| 22:23.12 | xbmodder-lappy | anyone here |
| 22:23.36 | tene | yes |
| 22:23.57 | xbmodder-lappy | i can't beleive i am saying this |
| 22:24.08 | xbmodder-lappy | i am having fun looking at jewlery |
| 22:25.07 | xbmodder-lappy | do girls like lockets? |
| 22:25.18 | xbmodder-lappy | or necklaces with bling |
| 22:25.19 | xbmodder-lappy | ? |
| 22:28.23 | tene | some do |
| 22:28.26 | brailsmt | xbmodder-lappy: get here a usb thumb drive... :) |
| 22:28.30 | brailsmt | all girls like that... |
| 22:28.54 | brailsmt | power tools too |
| 22:29.06 | brailsmt | girls go ga-ga over table saws |
| 22:29.20 | tene | get her a knife, and a card that says "This is the same kind of knife I'm going to use to cut you open and drain the blood from your body" |
| 22:29.38 | brailsmt | lol |
| 22:29.49 | brailsmt | xbmodder-lappy: he's kidding... |
| 22:29.52 | brailsmt | :D |
| 22:30.00 | brailsmt | lol |
| 22:30.02 | tene | I made him go away! I win! |
| 22:30.07 | brailsmt | tene: you frightened him |
| 22:30.12 | brailsmt | ~tene-- |
| 22:30.15 | brailsmt | :D |
| 22:30.23 | brailsmt | ~karma tene |
| 22:30.23 | ibot | tene has karma of -11 |
| 22:31.08 | xbmodder | lol |
| 22:31.17 | xbmodder | no |
| 22:31.22 | xbmodder | i want upstairs. |
| 22:31.24 | xbmodder | idiots |
| 22:31.31 | xbmodder | *went |
| 22:32.05 | xbmodder | she is a cutter... so a really nice knife with diamonds and silver would be cool. just kidding. |
| 22:32.36 | xbmodder | ~tene++++++ |
| 22:32.38 | xbmodder | ~tene |
| 22:32.39 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, tene is Tenebram, or the king of pirate, or my god, or chocolate covered sugar bombs |
| 22:32.45 | xbmodder | ~karma tene |
| 22:32.45 | ibot | tene has karma of -11 |
| 22:32.52 | xbmodder | ~tene++ |
| 22:32.59 | xbmodder | ~karma tene |
| 22:32.59 | ibot | tene has karma of -10 |
| 22:33.18 | xbmodder | ~karma xbmodder |
| 22:33.18 | ibot | xbmodder has neutral karma |
| 22:33.22 | xbmodder | awesome |
| 22:33.22 | xbmodder | ! |
| 22:33.53 | xbmodder | guys you still there? |
| 22:35.24 | tene | yes |
| 22:35.33 | xbmodder | tene, so any ideas? |
| 22:35.39 | tene | I told you my idea |
| 22:35.50 | xbmodder | seriously |
| 22:36.22 | xbmodder | ~seen joshc |
| 22:36.31 | ibot | joshc <~joshc@65.37.125.194> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3d 4h 10m 50s ago, saying: ' ttyl'. |
| 22:36.59 | tene | it depends on the girl! |
| 22:37.16 | tene | dude, seriously. |
| 22:37.40 | tene | that's like asking "What gift should I get for someone? What do People like?" |
| 22:39.52 | xbmodder | she is turning 14 on april 13th i have to go against a ultra rich guy. (gifts) thin, cocasion, tall, 98 pounds. 6' 2. |
| 22:40.01 | tene | "go against"? |
| 22:40.03 | xbmodder | nice, senstive, simple |
| 22:40.15 | xbmodder | compete. for whose gift she willl like better. |
| 22:40.18 | tene | and body type and skin color determine interests? |
| 22:40.32 | xbmodder | for jewlery. |
| 22:40.37 | xbmodder | what would match her. |
| 22:40.48 | tene | Well, you want to know my suggestion? |
| 22:40.49 | xbmodder | i am crazy aren't i? |
| 22:40.54 | xbmodder | tene, sure |
| 22:40.58 | xbmodder | she is not a 'geek' |
| 22:41.00 | xbmodder | for one :( |
| 22:41.11 | xbmodder | so i was like hmm |
| 22:41.15 | tene | You should leave her alone. I bet she hates having you around. |
| 22:41.42 | xbmodder | no |
| 22:41.46 | xbmodder | i am getting better |
| 22:41.52 | xbmodder | starting to STFU |
| 22:42.08 | xbmodder | and she invited me to her b-day for quote-in-quote "support" |
| 22:42.21 | xbmodder | for reasons i don't really wanna talk about. |
| 22:42.22 | tene | ... *facepalm* |
| 22:42.39 | xbmodder | lucy in sky with diamonds! |
| 22:42.39 | tene | Okay, that was a terrible pun... not gonna say it... |
| 22:42.43 | xbmodder | lol |
| 22:43.51 | xbmodder | Shutting up can do alot. for one it can get a girl pretty close to you (physically and yeah... mentally too) |
| 22:44.01 | xbmodder | waiting to tene to say what'd you do this weekend? |
| 22:45.10 | xbmodder | waiting. |
| 22:45.47 | xbmodder | tene, so what do i get her? |
| 22:47.10 | tene | I don't know her! |
| 22:47.15 | tene | How would I know?! |
| 22:47.55 | xbmodder | ask me yes/no questions |
| 22:48.29 | tene | No. |
| 22:48.52 | xbmodder | damit. |
| 22:49.03 | xbmodder | amazon reccomends this book for me: The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For? |
| 22:49.20 | tene | When I get gifts for someone, I get them things appropriate for them. |
| 22:49.33 | tene | If you just get a Generic Gift, it's very obvious. |
| 22:49.45 | xbmodder | 'appropriate' would be nice jewlwery i think |
| 22:50.04 | tene | that's boring. |
| 22:50.11 | tene | and generic |
| 22:50.19 | xbmodder | whats 'special' |
| 22:50.33 | tene | something specific to her! |
| 22:50.50 | xbmodder | thats why i am here |
| 22:50.56 | xbmodder | give me some examples. |
| 22:51.43 | tene | Alright... |
| 22:52.27 | tene | Whenever I want to give a gift to one of my friends, I take her out to a bookstore and buy Manga for her. |
| 22:53.54 | xbmodder | she likes: Clothes, jewlery, hot guys (don't even joke about playgirl), romantic places (i prolly can't take her out to a expensive 'romantic' dinner picnic?, umm yeah.... |
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| 22:58.15 | levi-laptop | xbmodder: Asking people who know her less than you do for a good, personal gift is rather futile. |
| 22:58.52 | xbmodder | yes, i know that levi-laptop. This is not easy. |
| 23:02.34 | levi-laptop | In any case, I don't think you'd want a girl who only judges guys by what gifts they give. |
| 23:02.44 | levi-laptop | So, don't stress about it. |
| 23:03.22 | xbmodder | i know |
| 23:03.28 | xbmodder | i just want a nice gift |
| 23:03.33 | xbmodder | for here |
| 23:03.35 | xbmodder | *her |
| 23:03.44 | xbmodder | because she always feels under appreciated. |
| 23:06.05 | levi-laptop | Just giving a gift shows appreciation. |
| 23:07.04 | xbmodder | yeah |
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| 23:08.41 | levi-laptop | Stressing about these things is natural, but it's not really helplful. Just wander around some stores until you see something that seems right. |
| 23:16.46 | tene | levi: he doesn't want the girl for her personality. |
| 23:17.00 | tene | He doesn't care *why* she chooses him, he just wants her. |
| 23:17.10 | tene | This is just guessing, by the way. |
| 23:17.40 | tene | if so, you should choose, like, heroin. |
| 23:18.21 | tene | impair her judgement. |
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