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| 00:23.11 | statik | hey guys |
| 00:26.27 | scottj | anyone had problems with dvd drives being insanely loud? |
| 00:26.55 | statik | Yeah, but it was lower end hardware |
| 00:28.08 | scottj | like what? |
| 00:41.39 | statik | something you would get at like walmart. |
| 00:41.45 | statik | i dont remember the brand |
| 00:41.53 | statik | i have been buying sony drives lately |
| 00:41.58 | statik | or iomega |
| 00:44.52 | statik | I guess he went to buy a new one |
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| 04:35.41 | levi-laptop | Good evening. |
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| 08:30.43 | scottj | darnit, I'd told myself I was going to use gnome because it's so darn sexy lookin', but now I just tried ion after a few years and it's SOO nice. I love having everything fullscreen |
| 08:38.03 | statik | <3 != gnome |
| 08:38.16 | statik | <3 == Blackbox or XFCE |
| 08:38.38 | goozbach | ohh XFCE... |
| 08:39.16 | goozbach | 4.2 is NICE |
| 08:46.10 | Tene | xfce nice |
| 08:46.16 | Tene | enlightenment for me, though |
| 08:49.36 | scottj | I wish someone would redo the old Gradient theme for gtk. it was the best ever |
| 08:50.37 | Tene | I've been <3ing e17 lately. |
| 09:04.30 | statik | Tene, ew.. englightment is way to bloated. I have never ever used anything in my life I hated more; thats not joke. |
| 09:04.40 | statik | but that wasnt to start a war :P |
| 09:04.45 | statik | I just dont like it :( |
| 09:04.52 | statik | Got to run.. talk to you gents later |
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| 12:29.22 | hans | ~lart something |
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| 15:56.10 | bonez39 | how can I clear my cache in firefox? |
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| 15:58.48 | fozz | Edit->Preferences->Privacy->Clear |
| 15:58.51 | fozz | (cache) |
| 16:00.06 | bonez39 | fozz : Ok, I hit the Clear button right there...but if I close firefox out and restart it, it comes back with same data in there..I open a form to sign up for Broadvoice, VOIP..and it has information already filled in....after I clear the cache |
| 16:02.55 | TML | That's not the cache |
| 16:03.37 | TML | bonez39: tools -> options -> Privacy -> Saved Form Information |
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| 16:10.24 | synic | TML: hey |
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| 16:16.29 | bonez39 | TML: sorry, I am running Firefox...Under Tools I have no options or Privacy option...but I do under preferences... |
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| 16:21.42 | fozz | TML is running Windows. :) |
| 16:21.59 | fozz | Clearing form information isn't the same as your page cache. |
| 16:22.17 | bonez39 | well, I do BOTH of those...and exit and restart firefox... |
| 16:22.18 | fozz | Ahhh. I see. |
| 16:22.51 | bonez39 | now I wonder if it's just buggy....I guess I COULD cold boot, but I'd like to think this could be resolved without having to be so drastic |
| 16:23.10 | fozz | Clear form information doesn't do it? |
| 16:24.05 | bonez39 | no...it doesn't... |
| 16:24.30 | bonez39 | I want to say there has to be some folder that just isn't deleting its contents..somewhere.....if I just knew where |
| 16:26.29 | bonez39 | I know I could load up IE..which I don't want to run, on my other machine, windows box..and get this done, but that defeats the purpose...my linux machine looked like it would freeze last night..but I recovered it and it kept running...just seems should be a ways to do that with this situation too |
| 16:29.07 | vontrapp | bonez39: what are you trying to do? |
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| 16:31.22 | bonez39 | vontrapp: I'd like to sign up for Broadvoice..for VOIP service, when I open firefox...and go to Broadvoice' site...there is information already filled in..and it's greyed out, won't let me change it..and it's not accurate either...I hit clear cache..and clear forms data..none of that helps.. |
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| 16:31.51 | vontrapp | that sounds like something the remote site is doing |
| 16:31.58 | vontrapp | probably need to delete cookies |
| 16:32.08 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 16:32.28 | vontrapp | if nothing else works, you can run firefox --ProfileManager and create a new profile to do it in |
| 16:32.29 | bonez39 | going to try to just deleter THEIR cookie.... |
| 16:32.40 | vontrapp | good idesa |
| 16:32.42 | bonez39 | ok, didn't know about that... |
| 16:32.54 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:32.56 | vontrapp | s/idesa/idea |
| 16:35.44 | vontrapp | wow, broadvoice is all out of numbers in the valley |
| 16:36.03 | vontrapp | all of utah only has kayesville, ogden, park city, and toole |
| 16:36.19 | tensai | vontrapp: move up on the mountain. be like the Man from Snowy River. |
| 16:36.27 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 16:37.08 | vontrapp | except i already have a number in provo from broadvoice |
| 16:37.14 | vontrapp | which i'm gonna drop |
| 16:37.31 | vontrapp | so if somebody wants it and there is a way to switch it over to someone... |
| 16:41.52 | bonez39 | I heard that..but that if I want to get LNP..I can get on the list..get a virtual number for now...and then when they have #'s available..for salt lake..then I could have mine..transferred over |
| 16:42.08 | bonez39 | vontrapp: why dropping that number? |
| 16:42.19 | vontrapp | i'm not using it anymore |
| 16:42.25 | bonez39 | vontrapp: what do you use now? |
| 16:42.35 | vontrapp | i got a cell phone |
| 16:42.51 | bonez39 | ah....that works.. |
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| 16:50.44 | TML | synic: Hi |
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| 17:40.40 | tensai | our mail filter is currently blocking 90% of incoming mail. 3.5% is being quarantined. that means a whopping 6.5% of mail is actually delivered to our customers. |
| 17:41.31 | statik | dude that fucking story of the artillary shell that hit in pleasant grove is insane. |
| 17:41.51 | statik | it makes you wonder how good our technology is to use if we have complete morons using it. |
| 17:42.04 | statik | I mean, how the hell do you get 3 miles off. |
| 17:42.12 | statik | with todays technology, come on. |
| 17:44.10 | tensai | friend of mine used to work at UDOT. Said that some of the guys were purposely standing over a radioactive device (can't recall what it was) in the hopes that it would make them sterile. |
| 17:44.21 | tensai | yeah, I trust them with a 105mm cannon |
| 17:44.22 | jayce_ | statik, watch the language please |
| 17:44.51 | fozz | ditto |
| 17:45.05 | jayce_ | basically, they loaded the 8 bags of powder (normal military backing) instead of the 6 that udot is suppsed to use.. |
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| 17:52.15 | levi | Cannons are not exactly high-tech weaponry. |
| 17:52.29 | hans | levi: come on, they use fire |
| 17:52.32 | hans | fire is high-tech |
| 17:52.41 | levi | If you're a caveman, sure. |
| 17:54.23 | levi | What's kind of scary are Vulcan anti-aircraft guns. They're pretty much completely computer controlled, since it'd be nearly impossible for a human to reliably target an airborne missile. |
| 17:56.46 | levi | When I was little, my parents took me to a demonstration of a new model of that particular gadget. It was pretty wild. Makes an earsplittling 'BRAAAAAAAAAAP' noise as it spits a stream of metal into the sky. Tracer rounds are only one out of a hundred or something, but they look like a solid stream of light. |
| 17:57.04 | fozz | Vulcan, eh? That's GOT to be high-tech... you know, if it comes from another planet and all. |
| 17:57.50 | hans | fozz: Oh, I don't know. Vulcan earbrushes are probably pretty low-tech. |
| 17:58.14 | levi | Vulcan cannons are basically high-speed gatling guns. They're mostly used as the cannons on fighter aircraft, but the Army and Navy both have anti-aircraft computer-controlled versions. |
| 17:58.46 | levi | They're mostly outmoded now, replaced by surface-to-air missiles. |
| 18:02.03 | neybar | how do you search for an installed package with apt? I tried 'apt-cache --installed search kernel' but that gave me all the available packages |
| 18:03.15 | levi | dpkg -l is what I usually use. |
| 18:04.02 | levi | You can use globs if you quote the package name. e.g. dpkg -l "*kernel*" |
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| 18:05.46 | tensai | dpkg -l will cut off package names in the output. use dpkg --get-selections if you're piping it somewhere |
| 18:08.16 | hans | when I am coming to a project for the first time, what do I care which version was just released and how you redesigned the logo for the umpteenth time last week? I want to know what it IS |
| 18:08.37 | neybar | lol |
| 18:09.15 | hans | instead, I have to fumble my way to section 3 of the FAQ to find out what it is and why I should care. |
| 18:16.06 | hans | here's an interesting coffee break discussion: is make good enough and if not why do we still use it? |
| 18:17.23 | levi | Good enough... for what? |
| 18:17.33 | brailsmt | no, it isn't... and I don't... |
| 18:17.34 | levi | Obviously the answer is 'yes' for some values of 'what'. |
| 18:17.36 | brailsmt | IMO, of course |
| 18:17.36 | hans | let's be traditionalist and say software builds |
| 18:18.04 | hans | you don't use it in your opinion? Do you use it in someone else's opinion? |
| 18:18.20 | brailsmt | hans: for simple builds it is ok, it becomes unwieldly as a project becomes more complex |
| 18:19.31 | brailsmt | hans: IMO, I don't think it is good enough |
| 18:19.43 | hans | that was a funny way of asking, what do you use then? |
| 18:20.07 | brailsmt | there is a set of tools written to band-aid the parts of software builds that mae does not handle... |
| 18:20.23 | hans | ant? rake? something else? what would a good replacement require? |
| 18:20.43 | brailsmt | I currently use scons, but I would prefer rake if it had some configuration libraries with it... |
| 18:21.00 | brailsmt | i liked ant as well, but it pretty focussed on java developement |
| 18:21.28 | hans | what about scons do you like? |
| 18:21.54 | brailsmt | i like that it is intelliegent about when to compile, using md5 hashes instead of timestamps... |
| 18:22.18 | brailsmt | touch a file and scons wil ignore it if it hasn't actually changed... |
| 18:22.56 | hans | that's important. I go around touching files all the time. ;-) </sarcasm> |
| 18:23.00 | brailsmt | i lie how simple it is to handle multiple directories in a project |
| 18:23.15 | brailsmt | with make that sucks... |
| 18:23.26 | hans | yeah, that is definitely make's achilles heel |
| 18:23.34 | brailsmt | i like how scons is based on a decent scripting language, not m4 |
| 18:24.02 | brailsmt | scons is python based, which is not my favorite, but it beats the shorts off of m4 |
| 18:24.37 | levi | scons sounds lispy. |
| 18:24.56 | brailsmt | i like how scons includes the autoconf stuff in a sensible way, and allows you write your own code to determine what to comp-ile, all using python |
| 18:25.20 | goozbach | distrowars: http://bash.org/?106579 |
| 18:25.23 | goozbach | sfw |
| 18:25.23 | brailsmt | i really wish rake were as good as scons, but it isn't... |
| 18:25.25 | statik | Jayce^, my bad. |
| 18:25.44 | statik | What do you think of the default shell change in openbsd. |
| 18:28.33 | brailsmt | i guess i could write a configuration library for rake, that would make it nicer... |
| 18:28.36 | hans | so what do you think it is that keeps make around? why aren't we all migrating en masse to something better, be it scons or ant or one of the other bazillion make improvements |
| 18:28.46 | brailsmt | since python blows, IMO |
| 18:28.49 | hans | configuration library? |
| 18:29.10 | brailsmt | hans: autoconf type stuff |
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| 18:29.43 | brailsmt | hans: history keeps make around, the set of tools built around mak |
| 18:29.47 | brailsmt | ... |
| 18:29.58 | brailsmt | make's shortcomings keep it around |
| 18:30.02 | hans | what about new stuff? |
| 18:30.13 | hans | why are new projects all using make? |
| 18:30.42 | brailsmt | the developers probably already know make, and don't want to futz with learning something new... |
| 18:30.49 | brailsmt | same reason CVS sticks around... |
| 18:30.50 | TML | hans: Probably because people have had to learn it to work with existing projects |
| 18:31.14 | TML | SVN is really gaining steam against CVS |
| 18:31.26 | brailsmt | i haven't used cvs in well over a year |
| 18:31.32 | brailsmt | in favor of svn |
| 18:31.37 | TML | You have to reach a critical mass of buy-in from developers "in the trenches" |
| 18:31.45 | brailsmt | but sf.net is shooting itself for not supporting svn |
| 18:31.55 | TML | I can't say I've ever even SEEN an alternative to make |
| 18:32.04 | brailsmt | i switched to berlios a while ago |
| 18:32.10 | hans | cvs is a good comparison. I think it really is, in both cases, because make and CVS are or have been until very recently "good enough" for what people were doing, even if they were just barely good enough or not really good enough but perceived to be so |
| 18:32.47 | tensai | ant has pretty good footing within the java community |
| 18:32.48 | hans | make's simple syntax helps too |
| 18:32.57 | TML | tensai: Yes, for Java |
| 18:32.59 | hans | ant may be cool, but I'm biased against java |
| 18:33.06 | TML | hans: Indeed |
| 18:33.06 | hans | and I don't like editing xml by hand |
| 18:33.19 | brailsmt | tensai: but ant is tied to the java niche |
| 18:33.41 | brailsmt | i actually like java, but for anything outside of java, ant doesn't cut it |
| 18:33.53 | hans | I think a big problem is that anyone who writes a make replacement will have to get it installed everywhere that matters before anybody is going to seriously consider using it for their new project |
| 18:34.02 | hans | because developers want to minimize dependencies. |
| 18:34.03 | brailsmt | for java, ant is the killer app |
| 18:34.22 | hans | well, some developers. I can think of a few who probably try to maximize them. |
| 18:34.33 | brailsmt | meaning it has killed any other java build system |
| 18:34.45 | tensai | agreed on ant. I'm just pointing out that make has been replaced within that niche. In theory it should be possible elsewhere. |
| 18:34.59 | hans | I think a neat idea is something that produces a shell or perl script |
| 18:35.01 | brailsmt | make was never really in the java niche... |
| 18:35.22 | hans | that script does the build stuff, a la the configure script generated by autoconf |
| 18:35.35 | brailsmt | hans: i disagree |
| 18:35.41 | tensai | I used make for my java compiles until I found ant |
| 18:35.56 | hans | then it doesn't matter if anyone has it installed |
| 18:36.07 | hans | except the developer(s) |
| 18:36.13 | brailsmt | perhaps perl would be acceptable, but i don't want a code generator |
| 18:36.28 | hans | why not? |
| 18:36.58 | hans | what's the difference functionally? |
| 18:37.04 | hans | if you never have to edit it? |
| 18:37.11 | brailsmt | i just don't like the idea of running some make system, then needing to run the output script in order to build... |
| 18:37.28 | levi | So you don't use autoconf/automake, eh? |
| 18:37.28 | hans | well obviously the make system would call the script unless told not to. |
| 18:37.34 | brailsmt | levi: no |
| 18:37.40 | hans | so you still just type the equivalent of "make" |
| 18:38.42 | brailsmt | yeah, you're right, but i still am not a believer... :) |
| 18:39.02 | hans | brailsmt: ok, I'll save it in a dot file and you won't see it until it's too late. ;-) |
| 18:39.21 | brailsmt | i could be, mind you, but i don't like the idea of a code generator to build... automake/autoconf has probably biased me against such a thing... |
| 18:39.22 | hans | but seriously, that would take care of the disemination problem. |
| 18:39.36 | hans | that's not autoconf's problem. |
| 18:39.42 | hans | autoconf's problems are much deeper |
| 18:40.25 | brailsmt | agreed, but the its use of code generation for building, has tainted that idea for me... |
| 18:40.39 | brailsmt | not that i know anything... |
| 18:41.03 | hans | so, if I were to embark on a make replacement, I would say the basic requirements are: as simple as make, more powerful than make, low barrier to entry |
| 18:41.14 | brailsmt | i mean code generation is cool |
| 18:41.27 | brailsmt | hans: rake... :) |
| 18:41.32 | brailsmt | but output a shell script |
| 18:41.37 | hans | brailsmt: nope, that's a high barrier to output |
| 18:41.39 | hans | er, entry |
| 18:41.50 | hans | until ruby (and rake) becomes ubiquitous |
| 18:42.14 | brailsmt | hans: i hate it when people that are so practical... |
| 18:42.17 | brailsmt | :) |
| 18:42.20 | hans | I also don't like writing a makefile in a language, even one as cool as ruby |
| 18:42.27 | hans | non-ruby developers are never going to go for that. |
| 18:42.48 | hans | s/a language/a general-purpose language/ |
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| 18:42.55 | hans | obviously it's a language. :) |
| 18:43.35 | hans | what we really need is something that lets us do dd if=/dev/random count=10 |magicmakething > Makefile |
| 18:43.41 | hans | mind reading, in other words |
| 18:43.50 | hans | ~lart tensai |
| 18:44.24 | hans | well that was fun. off to lunch |
| 18:44.34 | levi | make is nice because of its declarative nature. |
| 18:44.44 | Maquis_ | ~lart end-of-term |
| 18:45.15 | levi | Makefiles should remain declarative, and thus should not be written in an imperative language. |
| 18:45.18 | tensai | Maquis_: you'd rather that the term was perpetually? |
| 18:45.34 | tensai | s/ly// |
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| 18:45.52 | Maquis_ | well, currently, i've got all the projects piling up in a 3-week period of time |
| 18:46.12 | Maquis_ | i don't have much hope in some classes... |
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| 18:51.54 | statik | hans, you code ruby? |
| 18:52.09 | statik | I <3 ruby |
| 18:58.28 | synic | may as well hug me too. |
| 18:58.32 | synic | I think it' my favorite language. |
| 18:59.24 | synic | :D |
| 19:01.41 | xilch|h | may as well hug me too. |
| 19:01.50 | xilch|h | I think synic smells like poo |
| 19:01.58 | levi | Ruby is cool. |
| 19:03.39 | statik | Just out of curiosity; how many of the people I just hugged were female? |
| 19:03.45 | statik | Actually you know what? |
| 19:03.47 | statik | I dont care. |
| 19:04.02 | tensai | unclean! unclean! |
| 19:04.04 | statik | i think you accidentally said concerned |
| 19:04.10 | statik | you meant to say jealous |
| 19:04.34 | tensai | s/concerned/freaked out/ |
| 19:04.35 | levi | From a purely abstract point of view, I prefer Smalltalk to Ruby, but Ruby is probably more practical for scripting-type things. |
| 19:12.47 | vontrapp | hmm, i don't know smalltalk |
| 19:12.53 | vontrapp | but ruby rocks |
| 19:17.01 | brailsmt | i would much rather be programming ruby |
| 19:18.56 | brailsmt | i would actually prefer to code C++ all day and then code ruby at home on my projects... |
| 19:19.12 | brailsmt | but C++ programmers seem to be a rare, but lucky breed... |
| 19:21.13 | statik | I love php too! |
| 19:22.00 | vontrapp | i love c++ |
| 19:22.03 | statik | brailsmt, I would have to disagree.. I think everyone and their dogs code cpp. Its gotten to the point where perl/java/c++ seem to be the only languages anyone takes seriously. |
| 19:22.07 | statik | so do I. |
| 19:22.19 | statik | But I like php/ruby better. |
| 19:22.42 | vontrapp | statik: your hugginess is contagious |
| 19:22.57 | vontrapp | i implore you to please stop before things get out of hand |
| 19:23.20 | statik | :) |
| 19:29.06 | tensai | I made a loaf of white bread last night but forgot to half the amount of butter. I should have realized that 9 T of butter was way too much for a 1 lb loaf. |
| 19:29.35 | tensai | tastes good but it's really crumbly |
| 19:30.07 | statik | hah. |
| 19:30.20 | statik | I dont dare make bread. |
| 19:30.31 | statik | I'd rather pay 90 cents. |
| 19:30.33 | vontrapp | i want to make some more sourdough bread |
| 19:30.41 | vontrapp | i don't get the chance often enough |
| 19:31.09 | statik | yeah.. sourdough is cool shiznit |
| 19:31.13 | Jayce^ | 90 cents? I really don't want to eat the bread that you are eating.. |
| 19:31.26 | tensai | 90 cent albertson's brand bread doesn't begin to compare |
| 19:31.43 | statik | yeah, it compares to the bread i make. |
| 19:31.49 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 19:31.57 | statik | I mean, if you want bad I'll give you bad. |
| 19:32.07 | statik | I just dont want to have to work at it |
| 19:32.11 | tensai | hah. ok, I'll give you that. not that I don't eat store bread too, but I really enjoy making my own. |
| 19:32.30 | statik | I herad that sourdough was made froma base. |
| 19:32.40 | statik | and in some families the base they use is like 90 years old. |
| 19:32.44 | tensai | a starter more precisely |
| 19:32.52 | hans | or start |
| 19:32.54 | statik | yeah,. |
| 19:32.59 | statik | Something like that. |
| 19:33.02 | neybar | sundays used to be my big bread day. my latest schedule puts a big damper on that though. |
| 19:33.08 | hans | hundreds of years sometimes |
| 19:33.10 | Jayce^ | oldest continuous start is claimed to have begun in the napoleonic era |
| 19:33.12 | hans | the one we have came from poland |
| 19:33.16 | vontrapp | i don't even know the history/geneology of the start i have |
| 19:33.23 | vontrapp | what hans said |
| 19:33.27 | tensai | hans: I killed mine :( |
| 19:33.37 | hans | from poland, we got it from a baker in albuquerque |
| 19:33.44 | hans | tensai: :( |
| 19:33.46 | Jayce^ | tensai, sounds like it's time for you to drive back down |
| 19:33.57 | hans | tensai: are you the one I sent some to? |
| 19:34.03 | tensai | yuppers |
| 19:34.09 | hans | I could send some more |
| 19:34.11 | Jayce^ | knowing a *good* baker is much akin to having a good butcher around... your stomach will really thank you |
| 19:34.14 | hans | or you oculd make your own. |
| 19:34.49 | vontrapp | hmm, must mean it's lunchtime |
| 19:34.53 | tensai | I wasn't thrilled with the sour taste. I might try it again some day but not now. |
| 19:34.54 | hans | you just need flour water and time |
| 19:35.37 | vontrapp | strangely enough i have this sudden craving for food |
| 19:36.34 | statik | wow, you guys know a lot about bread |
| 19:36.46 | statik | I just know that people make fun of you if you buy it for 90 cents |
| 19:36.59 | Jayce^ | statik, food in general, not just bread |
| 19:37.14 | neybar | if you are going to buy sliced bread, grandma's isn't terrible |
| 19:37.18 | statik | Can you tell me about jilato |
| 19:37.20 | statik | gilato |
| 19:37.23 | statik | ... |
| 19:37.27 | Jayce^ | gelato ? |
| 19:37.33 | Jayce^ | italian ice cream |
| 19:37.41 | Jayce^ | sorta |
| 19:40.19 | tensai | I remember a restaurant on University down by Center st. had a sign saying "Gelato is here". I kept thinking of Gabbo. |
| 19:44.29 | statik | Yeah, I love gelato. |
| 19:44.38 | goozbach | we have a bunch of food-nuts here |
| 19:44.47 | statik | I dont like nuts |
| 19:44.51 | statik | they give me cancors |
| 19:46.14 | goozbach | cooking for yourself kinda sucks |
| 19:46.56 | neybar | cooking for 2 is still kind of hard |
| 19:47.35 | goozbach | meh, I love to cook even if it's for two |
| 19:47.57 | goozbach | I just can't bring myself to cook just for one |
| 19:48.43 | statik | 'regular full-time' haha, I didnt know you could get them 'full-time' |
| 19:49.05 | statik | well they have had them, but they are called wifes. |
| 19:49.20 | statik | wives? |
| 19:49.22 | statik | who cares. |
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| 19:53.10 | xbmodder_ | for i in `ls -colum1` ; do shred --remove $i; done |
| 19:53.12 | xbmodder_ | yay! |
| 19:53.35 | neybar | lol |
| 19:55.40 | statik | I would rather him cook in a leia costume. |
| 19:55.43 | statik | Personally... |
| 19:55.58 | statik | That would be amusing. |
| 19:56.50 | tensai | ~lart power outages |
| 19:57.51 | Jayce^ | oooh, goozbach in a leia costume... I can actually picture that :-p |
| 20:01.12 | goozbach | Jayce^: I've got a blind date with a starwars fan this weekend |
| 20:01.24 | Jayce^ | fear the fans |
| 20:01.36 | goozbach | yeah, I know them |
| 20:01.42 | goozbach | that's why I'm scared |
| 20:01.47 | Jayce^ | exactly, I know them too :) |
| 20:01.51 | goozbach | heh |
| 20:02.54 | hans | tensai: who says ibot isn't smart? |
| 20:03.00 | statik | You guys talk like you've taken the startwars fans to the extreme. I just watch and laugh at them in the lines at the movie theaters. |
| 20:03.13 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you doing the hollywood connection thing opening night? |
| 20:03.30 | hans | I wonder why Jayce^ and goozbach are talking about eachother in the third pierson |
| 20:03.50 | Jayce^ | no hans, we're talking about you :) |
| 20:04.17 | hans | :) |
| 20:04.29 | hans | I'm actually a bit excited for ep3 |
| 20:04.36 | statik | ep3? |
| 20:04.42 | hans | I wasn't for ep2, really |
| 20:05.13 | statik | What is that? |
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| 20:05.27 | hans | sorry, it's a secret. |
| 20:05.49 | hans | i could tell you but then I'd have to lart you |
| 20:05.56 | Jayce^ | lart him anyways |
| 20:06.01 | Jayce^ | you know you want to |
| 20:06.10 | statik | Please... |
| 20:06.16 | statik | ~lart statik |
| 20:06.23 | statik | nice. |
| 20:07.36 | neybar | I unfortunately watched ep2 this weekend. The last year had it better in my memory. |
| 20:08.00 | hans | neybar: kind of the inverse for me |
| 20:08.12 | hans | when I watched it last month I was surprised that it was better than I had remembered it. |
| 20:08.22 | hans | I didn't remember it very fondly. I only watched it once before last month |
| 20:08.32 | neybar | The action bits were good. all the dialog was terrible |
| 20:08.46 | Jayce^ | yeah, depends on which part you are paying attention to |
| 20:09.04 | neybar | just about any scene with anakin talking was bad. |
| 20:09.13 | Jayce^ | ;) |
| 20:09.36 | hans | bad is a pretty weak descriptor |
| 20:09.37 | neybar | noooooooo! |
| 20:10.07 | statik | It's working! It's working! |
| 20:10.28 | hans | I killed them. I killed them all! |
| 20:10.44 | statik | ew, wow is evil |
| 20:11.10 | statik | Yeah, anakins dialog was horrible both movies. |
| 20:11.44 | hans | I'm just hoping James Earl Jones says more than just "yes, master" in the new one |
| 20:11.55 | neybar | lol |
| 20:11.57 | hans | like, 2/3 of the movie would be nice. |
| 20:12.02 | neybar | no kidding |
| 20:12.30 | hans | I think the quality of the movie will be inversely proportionally related to the time hayden is on screen |
| 20:12.38 | neybar | rofl |
| 20:13.01 | statik | most likely. |
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| 20:13.04 | neybar | and speaking... it is ok, while he is just swinging a light saber |
| 20:13.18 | statik | Or off camera |
| 20:13.26 | Jayce^ | all I have to say, is that having a whiney anakin is just keeping the movies tied together correctly... it had to be plausable to see where Luke got it from |
| 20:13.38 | neybar | the coolness of a light saber in action tends to do wonders for most scenes. |
| 20:13.51 | hans | whiney doesn't bother me. the acting does |
| 20:14.00 | Jayce^ | even cooler with samuel L has his saber going :) |
| 20:14.09 | Jayce^ | BMF |
| 20:14.39 | hans | BMF? Be My Friend? |
| 20:14.43 | statik | lol, Jayce^ ... Luke is a whiner.. |
| 20:14.44 | neybar | for example if Yoda hadn't been in a light saber fight, his jumping around would have been completely rediculous. Instead it was fun adn quite cool |
| 20:15.02 | statik | it gave me a headache |
| 20:15.11 | Jayce^ | anybody watched any of the cartoon network clone wars cartoons? |
| 20:15.15 | hans | hehe. I think it still would have been cool. maybe more cool |
| 20:15.27 | goozbach | Jayce^: yup |
| 20:15.28 | hans | pointless, but cool |
| 20:15.36 | hans | in a tmbg sort of way |
| 20:15.45 | Jayce^ | hans, BMF is 'bad motha ...' |
| 20:15.45 | goozbach | but that kinda goes without saying :) |
| 20:15.53 | Jayce^ | from a different movie of his |
| 20:16.06 | statik | Do any of you guys live in clearfield? |
| 20:16.16 | hans | no, my field is uncleared. |
| 20:16.25 | statik | ... |
| 20:16.53 | hans | ,,, |
| 20:17.16 | statik | """ |
| 20:17.23 | levi | !!! |
| 20:17.38 | statik | @$$ |
| 20:17.52 | statik | I got to get some sleep |
| 20:25.53 | vontrapp | mmmm, food is good |
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| 20:32.35 | vontrapp | username: phil |
| 20:32.38 | vontrapp | password: me_up |
| 20:38.23 | vontrapp | has anybody in here had a problem with a flash animation not showing up properly in firefox when it is inside a table? |
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| 20:45.28 | tensai | firefox is in a table? did you put your laptop in a drawer? |
| 20:47.07 | statik | jokes like those keep me from introducing my dad to computers. |
| 20:47.46 | vontrapp | look what you did, tensia, now carpet remains unintroduced to computers |
| 20:48.13 | statik | point exactly. |
| 20:48.24 | statik | I wish my dads name was carpet. |
| 20:48.28 | statik | And my name was statik. |
| 20:56.56 | ECS | I lived in Clearfield one summer. |
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| 21:23.47 | tensai | auto responders are evil |
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| 21:34.05 | statik | I agree. |
| 21:34.22 | statik | Thats why I suggested that the business I do contract work for, implement one. |
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| 21:35.00 | statik | jsmith, you realize you have the most generic name in existance. |
| 21:35.07 | statik | ./? |
| 21:39.03 | bigdog_ut | or jdoe would be too |
| 21:39.13 | dataw0lf | jblow |
| 21:39.34 | dataw0lf | bob's a personal fave. |
| 21:42.26 | bucky | joe sixpack ? |
| 21:45.04 | statik | Yeah, but I mean. john smith. Thats like the one you see EVERYWHERE. Cell phones, credit cards, eg. form applications. All sorts of junk. |
| 21:47.00 | brailsmt | i once had a person in Chile tell me that they were sure that a Joseph Smith once existed inthe US in the 1800's, but only because the name is so common... |
| 21:47.16 | brailsmt | and they didn't even speak english... |
| 21:49.53 | tensai | statik: technically it's Jared. I imagine it makes a difference to him. |
| 21:50.30 | statik | Oh. |
| 21:50.39 | statik | Well then its not so common I guess. |
| 21:50.45 | statik | Sorry Jared :X |
| 21:51.10 | statik | Do you guys all live by eachother or something? |
| 21:51.29 | tensai | but when he goes by jsmith that makes it more common. he has to put up with all the Johns and Joes. |
| 21:51.41 | statik | :) |
| 21:51.58 | tensai | I don't live by any of these crazies. I've just known them for quite a while. |
| 21:52.15 | tensai | some people here go way back |
| 21:53.29 | bucky | i knew a jesus sanchez |
| 21:54.12 | bigdog_ut | i know a juan valdez |
| 21:54.40 | bucky | how about a manuel transmission ? |
| 21:55.30 | bigdog_ut | actually it is manuel transmision |
| 21:55.41 | bigdog_ut | he is doin' well |
| 21:56.01 | bigdog_ut | :) |
| 21:56.14 | bucky | lol |
| 21:56.46 | Jayce^ | I knew a couple, Maria-Jose who was married to Jose-Maria |
| 21:57.11 | bigdog_ut | and their last name was espinosa |
| 21:57.20 | dataw0lf | I knew a Harry Balls. |
| 21:57.21 | bucky | do the geneaology on that one! |
| 21:57.46 | Jayce^ | Rusty Shots was another guy |
| 21:57.52 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 21:58.13 | bigdog_ut | my favorite was John Juan |
| 21:58.50 | Jayce^ | grew up with Lenna Dover (just sound it out) |
| 21:59.16 | statik | look what I started |
| 21:59.21 | bigdog_ut | oh yeah |
| 21:59.30 | bigdog_ut | ~melvin statik |
| 21:59.32 | ibot | ACTION pulls statik underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 21:59.50 | brailsmt | how do you switch to revision 2.0 in RCS/CVS? |
| 22:00.22 | statik | dude; that hurt. |
| 22:01.11 | dataw0lf | brailsmt: -r ? |
| 22:01.12 | bigdog_ut | brailsmt, i think cvs commit -r 2.0 |
| 22:01.21 | dataw0lf | who knows, uninstall CVS and install Subversion. |
| 22:01.50 | hans | cvs update -h |
| 22:02.16 | hans | or not. man cvs |
| 22:03.26 | bigdog_ut | brailsmt, it probably is better to tag it then to assign a revision |
| 22:03.45 | statik | dataw0lf, dont give him such ideas. |
| 22:03.57 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: agreed. |
| 22:03.57 | bigdog_ut | ~slap dataw0lf |
| 22:03.59 | ibot | ACTION slaps dataw0lf, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 22:03.59 | statik | svn is the elitists version of cvs. |
| 22:04.04 | dataw0lf | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/info-cvs/2005-02/msg00133.html |
| 22:04.28 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 22:04.29 | dataw0lf | I don't need a bot to do my dirty work. |
| 22:04.35 | statik | :P |
| 22:04.43 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, lacks the force |
| 22:05.04 | dataw0lf | dataw0lf, IS the force. |
| 22:05.20 | bigdog_ut | brailsmt, https://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/cvs-1.11.19/cvs_4.html#SEC47 |
| 22:05.33 | dataw0lf | who'd you end up giving that book to, le bigdog_ut? |
| 22:05.47 | bigdog_ut | not sure..they drew for it |
| 22:05.58 | bigdog_ut | but i have a puck-nuke for ya |
| 22:06.31 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 22:06.40 | dataw0lf | a solitary tear just rolled down my cheek. |
| 22:07.01 | bigdog_ut | i have a spamassassin book too |
| 22:07.16 | bigdog_ut | i think...i will have to check |
| 22:07.25 | bigdog_ut | are you going to be there next month? |
| 22:07.34 | dataw0lf | hopefully. |
| 22:07.59 | Jayce^ | anybody got something they want to talk about? |
| 22:08.32 | jakea | we can talk about Star Trek |
| 22:08.32 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, send me a book title you want and i can get it for ya |
| 22:11.40 | hans | jakea: how many more weeks of barren reruns? |
| 22:11.55 | hans | tomorrow is a knight rider marathon on some channel |
| 22:11.58 | tensai | Jayce^: I've got plenty of stuff I could talk about. I just won't be there. |
| 22:12.10 | hans | tensai: you talk, we'll sit. |
| 22:12.14 | hans | somehow the cosmos will work it out. |
| 22:12.57 | dataw0lf | bigdog_ut: http://www.syngress.com/catalog/?pid=3190 |
| 22:13.06 | dataw0lf | (written by local guys from the DC / 2600 crews) |
| 22:13.48 | bigdog_ut | ill have to check..not sure if i have access to syngress |
| 22:14.54 | vontrapp | ooh, night rider! |
| 22:15.09 | hans | nooh, knight rider |
| 22:15.29 | dataw0lf | bum bum bum... bum... bum... bum bum bum... bum ... bum |
| 22:15.53 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, find me a user group contact from them and i can see |
| 22:16.21 | dataw0lf | it's cool I can probably get it from Neil. |
| 22:16.35 | dataw0lf | the practical C and/or C++ books from O'Reilly I'd likez too. |
| 22:16.51 | vontrapp | doo doodledoo doo doodledoo doo doodledoo dum dum |
| 22:16.53 | bigdog_ut | send me an email...i can get those |
| 22:17.06 | dataw0lf | alright. |
| 22:17.42 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf, i need the title, auth, and isbn number |
| 22:17.57 | jakea | hans: Knight rider marathon!!!!! |
| 22:18.25 | jakea | hans: here is the site I frequent for news: http://trektoday.com/ |
| 22:18.32 | jakea | airing schedule on the left |
| 22:21.39 | hans | does it have an rss feed? |
| 22:22.27 | tensai | I wish planetary radio had an rss feed. I asked them nicely. |
| 22:25.53 | Bradipo | How's this for an interesting twist... I block doubleclick.net ads and other similar ilk by making my DNS resolver ask my own nameserver for authoritative answers. |
| 22:26.07 | Bradipo | I also have my mail server reject email for domains that have bad PTR information. |
| 22:26.46 | Bradipo | Turns out that turbotax.com uses doubleclick.net for their DNS, which means that they have been unable to send me promotional materials because I reject their email because they are using doubleclick.net for DNS. |
| 22:27.22 | Bradipo | Sounds like turbotax needs a lesson in DNS architecture. |
| 22:27.39 | Bradipo | Actually, their DNS goes through at least 4 levels of out-of-bailiwick delegations. |
| 22:27.41 | Bradipo | What a mess. |
| 22:29.40 | hans | you wanted these solicitations? |
| 22:29.46 | Bradipo | Nope. |
| 22:29.57 | hans | oh, god |
| 22:29.58 | Bradipo | But I didn't know if they were legit or not, so I unblocked their IP. |
| 22:29.59 | hans | er, good |
| 22:30.30 | Bradipo | Then when I got it, I realized it was just spam, tracked down the reason why it was not coming through and the put the block back in place. |
| 22:31.16 | Bradipo | But I found it ironic that I blocked doubleclick.net's DNS and that Intuit is using doubleclick.net's DNS servers. |
| 22:31.18 | statik | JESSICA ALBA IS h0tz0r |
| 22:31.27 | statik | wrong channel |
| 22:32.12 | neybar | lol |
| 22:32.32 | hans | Maquis: start with a lart and go from there |
| 22:32.51 | Maquis | ~lart statik |
| 22:32.54 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 22:33.04 | goozbach | W00t friday! |
| 22:33.35 | neybar | just give him some grapefruit juice and a bottle of mountain dew... that aught to do it. |
| 22:33.37 | Bradipo | That lart really threw goozbach for a loop thinking it's Friday. |
| 22:33.38 | Maquis | goozbach: it's monday :) |
| 22:33.52 | Maquis | it feels like friday, but it is monday |
| 22:34.18 | goozbach | no, w00t for friday! |
| 22:34.26 | goozbach | Sin City comes out |
| 22:34.45 | Maquis | have to overclock a bit more for 3.5 weeks, and then crash |
| 22:35.21 | goozbach | neybar: mt dew won't do it for me |
| 22:35.36 | goozbach | I drink three cans/day just to get going |
| 22:36.28 | statik | Same here. |
| 22:36.37 | statik | I down prolly a good two liters a day |
| 22:36.41 | statik | at least |
| 22:37.26 | goozbach | bawls is about the only thing I can drink and still get a buzz |
| 22:37.52 | goozbach | I'm lethargic without at least two cans of mt dew |
| 22:37.55 | hans | hanamanaganda |
| 22:37.56 | statik | I dont do bawls no more. |
| 22:38.03 | levi | Sounds like you guys need to cut the caffeine for a while. |
| 22:38.03 | statik | Not worth the money |
| 22:38.05 | JoshH | goozbach: coffee. ;) |
| 22:38.14 | statik | coffee makes you pee way to often |
| 22:38.18 | levi | Reset your tolerance levels. |
| 22:38.28 | JoshH | coffee jolts me awake far more than any other beverage |
| 22:38.29 | statik | and its not really all that good as far as energy bursts |
| 22:38.51 | bucky | mtn dew.. no doze and pseudoephedrine based diet pills |
| 22:38.58 | bucky | all over the counter |
| 22:39.06 | statik | and then some crack on the side |
| 22:39.15 | statik | my meth could keep me going for a week or so |
| 22:39.18 | Maquis | i'm with levi... :) |
| 22:39.29 | bucky | prolly take more time to kill you that way |
| 22:39.47 | hans | where you use caffeine, I use music |
| 22:39.57 | levi | When I start getting caffeine headaches over the weekend, when I don't have access to free drinks, I lay off them for a week or two to reset things. |
| 22:39.59 | JoshH | loud metal does help too |
| 22:40.22 | Maquis | just sugar, music, etc... |
| 22:40.29 | bucky | drink some kava and do some yoga |
| 22:40.42 | hans | Maquis: if you did have coffee, you probably wouldn't have to stay up anymore. |
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| 22:40.57 | hans | your workload might suddenly drop off |
| 22:41.02 | Maquis | hans: :) |
| 22:41.04 | Maquis | very true |
| 22:41.30 | statik | I'll tell you what though, sleep isnt something I really want to do, but the older I get the more I feel like its pointless to fight it. |
| 22:41.40 | statik | I still stay up late, and sometimes dont sleep for three or so days. |
| 22:41.44 | statik | But thats really toned down. |
| 22:41.48 | Maquis | granted, i started pulling 3-4 hours of sleep / night back in high school... |
| 22:41.49 | statik | At least from what I used to do. |
| 22:41.55 | levi | I don't stay up late very often since I got married. |
| 22:41.56 | thomaskorwed | lol i tried that pickupx thing firday from my cell phone browser at the world in hollywood and surprisingly it worked haha n i got a hot one to talk to me a while |
| 22:42.03 | statik | levi: that makes sense |
| 22:42.21 | statik | thomaskorwed, kewl |
| 22:42.23 | JoshH | i get 5-6 hours of sleep a night these days |
| 22:42.29 | JoshH | just because i stay up too late out of habit |
| 22:42.47 | levi | My wife loves to get out of work early, necessitating waking early and getting to work early, so she naturally goes to bed early as well. |
| 22:42.51 | statik | JoshH, yeah I do it too.. its like ten oclock rolls around and I am like, i should be thinking of going to bed now. |
| 22:42.51 | hans | 6-7 |
| 22:42.54 | statik | and then three rolls around |
| 22:42.58 | thomaskorwed | well it got them talking anyway I still need to figure out how to get the hot ones to leve the club w/ me lol |
| 22:43.00 | statik | and I am like, I really should be going to bed now |
| 22:43.06 | JoshH | i stay up till 12 or 1, and my alarm goes off at 6. |
| 22:43.40 | dataw0lf | thomaskorwed: chloroform. |
| 22:43.47 | JoshH | haha |
| 22:44.00 | thomaskorwed | hah oh well ima go hit up pickupx some more and see if I get any more ideas lol |
| 22:44.06 | JoshH | or just a knife, some rope, and some duct tape |
| 22:44.33 | dataw0lf | JoshH: too noisy. |
| 22:44.34 | JoshH | thats only necessary if you dont have money and a nice car, of course. |
| 22:45.00 | JoshH | if you have those, you dont even need to try. |
| 22:45.01 | bucky | let's kidnap dell schnaze |
| 22:45.10 | goozbach | bucky: I'm in |
| 22:45.14 | statik | i hate that dude |
| 22:45.21 | statik | er, I dislike him |
| 22:45.27 | bucky | he's got guns and money... time for a home invasion |
| 22:45.28 | goozbach | er did I say that outloud? |
| 22:45.28 | statik | a lot |
| 22:45.31 | dataw0lf | superdellsucks.com |
| 22:45.34 | levi | He's got a nice Jag, too. |
| 22:45.40 | statik | fucktotallyawesome.net |
| 22:45.41 | dataw0lf | not once I get through with it. |
| 22:45.58 | goozbach | he tends to lose at poker |
| 22:46.00 | *** part/#utah thomaskorwed (~vb@rule-dk2.smca.yahoo.com) |
| 22:46.09 | goozbach | invite him to pokernight |
| 22:46.34 | JoshH | of course he loses |
| 22:46.40 | goozbach | of course you've gotta have the finances to play >$4000 hands |
| 22:46.41 | JoshH | nobody like him knows how to gamble |
| 22:47.06 | dataw0lf | Dan the Laptop Man is just as annoying. |
| 22:47.14 | statik | taken from one of the shirts |
| 22:47.16 | JoshH | actually i heard that things are crazy at totally awesome right now |
| 22:47.19 | bucky | LOL.. to rich... rose o'donnell and charleston heston hehehe |
| 22:47.26 | dataw0lf | JoshH: they are, everyone is about to quit. |
| 22:47.30 | JoshH | supposedly the ceo got demoted to a sales position, and all managers had demotions and pay cuts |
| 22:47.31 | goozbach | and almost as bad at poker as well |
| 22:47.37 | dataw0lf | <-- friends with ex head tech. |
| 22:47.37 | hans | dan is much much more annoying |
| 22:47.50 | JoshH | my friend was hired to redo their website, since the current one sucks, and he just quit because dell tried to lower his pay |
| 22:47.54 | bucky | is PC Laptops owned by superdell also? |
| 22:48.01 | hans | at least dell is annoying by nature. dan is just trying to be annoying and completely failing at what he's trying to do, while still being annoying for a completely different reason. |
| 22:48.02 | dataw0lf | no, but they have a close relationship. |
| 22:48.23 | dataw0lf | every time I see one of Dan's commercial I want to stab my eyes out with a rusty fork. |
| 22:48.25 | bucky | i change the channel everytime superdell comes on |
| 22:48.26 | statik | someone should kidnap superdell for reals |
| 22:48.35 | goozbach | Dell and Dan and a friend of mine play poker often |
| 22:48.37 | dataw0lf | like, in the movie theatre. |
| 22:48.41 | JoshH | we should loot the store |
| 22:48.42 | bucky | and watch another channell |
| 22:48.44 | statik | and bring the spotlight (the one that that little girl had) back to utah |
| 22:48.49 | JoshH | i could use a ridiculously insane model for free |
| 22:48.56 | hans | superdell's are sometimes funny |
| 22:49.30 | Newsome | when? |
| 22:49.48 | hans | a couple of years ago |
| 22:49.49 | Jayce^ | Dell's idea of motivation was to give a bonus to the top few salespeople, and take it from everybody elses check |
| 22:49.56 | tensai | after severe brunt force trauma |
| 22:49.57 | bucky | he showed himself getting kidnapped.. lets grant his wishes |
| 22:49.58 | Newsome | or do you mean, superdell is so lame he's funny |
| 22:50.10 | hans | right |
| 22:50.15 | hans | dan is never funny |
| 22:50.21 | bucky | people would pay us *not* to bring him back |
| 22:50.27 | JoshH | its funny how he calls companies like dell "heinously evil" on the radio, but his actual antics arent funny. |
| 22:50.29 | Jayce^ | neighbor got a paycut because he doesn't "make money" (does the auditing) |
| 22:50.56 | dataw0lf | ok, so, what do we need? |
| 22:50.59 | dataw0lf | I have some black ski masks. |
| 22:51.02 | dataw0lf | anyone have a taser? |
| 22:51.05 | statik | bucky, word |
| 22:51.12 | bucky | did you see when gephart brought a computer to superdell for repair with the hard drive power cord unplugged? |
| 22:51.27 | JoshH | that incident is why everyone got demotions i think |
| 22:51.27 | dataw0lf | hehe, no. |
| 22:51.33 | JoshH | or part of it |
| 22:51.54 | levi | "Demotions will continue until morale improves!" |
| 22:52.01 | Newsome | I want to walk into TotallyStupid Computers, buy a keyboard, pour water on it right there in the store, and ask for a new keyboard. |
| 22:52.02 | bucky | gephart sent in a plant.. and superdell tried to say it was not worth repairing and that they should buy a new computer from them of course |
| 22:52.04 | Jayce^ | no, the main reason is that this is the slow season, and they don't have the money to pay everybody without cuts |
| 22:52.34 | hans | people got demotions because of a commercial? I'm confused |
| 22:52.44 | JoshH | well if it was a crappy win98 machine, i would agree with him. |
| 22:52.45 | bucky | hans, did you see when gephart brought a computer to superdell for repair with the hard drive power cord unplugged? |
| 22:52.53 | bucky | hans, gephart sent in a plant.. and superdell tried to say it was not worth repairing and that they should buy a new computer from them of course |
| 22:53.12 | hans | who's gephart? |
| 22:53.20 | hans | a plant? like a fern? |
| 22:53.20 | bucky | gephart also went to best buy and a couple of others |
| 22:53.20 | statik | the guy off the news in utah |
| 22:53.29 | hans | he didn't want to repair a fern? |
| 22:53.32 | statik | Maquis, your a girl? |
| 22:53.33 | hans | I'm so lost. |
| 22:53.43 | Maquis | statik: yes... |
| 22:53.43 | levi | Dick Gephart, that guy on the news that helps out consumers who get shafted by companies. |
| 22:53.45 | bucky | gephart does the consumer protection spots for abc |
| 22:53.45 | Newsome | http://kutv.com/gephardt/ |
| 22:53.47 | statik | hans, he is a guy who works for the news |
| 22:53.48 | JoshH | statik: supposedly, she never posts pics. |
| 22:53.51 | statik | finding bad companies |
| 22:54.01 | statik | JoshH, man oh man.. we'll have to change that |
| 22:54.32 | statik | Maquis, I hugged you today! This is important because I was hugging all guys there for a while and you balance it out. |
| 22:54.38 | tensai | goozbach claims to have met her. I suspect it's really SpecialK |
| 22:54.40 | JoshH | lol |
| 22:54.43 | Maquis | statik: huh? |
| 22:54.50 | statik | nevermind |
| 22:54.58 | vontrapp | sent in a plant, as in he unplugged the hard drive to see what they would do |
| 22:55.00 | dataw0lf | statik: that was creepy. |
| 22:55.21 | dataw0lf | http://kutv.com/gephardt/local_story_041192114.html |
| 22:55.22 | Maquis | the first time goozbach met me was when he found out i was a girl... |
| 22:55.23 | dataw0lf | there yah go. |
| 22:55.24 | JoshH | hugging one guy is too much to ever be balanced out |
| 22:55.28 | tensai | "plant" as in plant a bug |
| 22:56.19 | hans | oh, he sent in a computer with the hardrive unplugged, not a herbal lifeform. |
| 22:56.24 | hans | why didn't you just say that? |
| 22:56.31 | statik | Maquis, you live in utah? |
| 22:56.33 | bucky | shawna thomas kisses guys thru the glass at her news studio |
| 22:56.38 | vontrapp | "Our goal is to write bug free software... So we're gonna pay you $10 for each bug you find and fix" |
| 22:56.38 | Maquis | statik: most of the time |
| 22:56.46 | statik | I cant tell if that was a joke.. |
| 22:56.48 | Maquis | vontrapp: i love that dilbert :) |
| 22:56.54 | vontrapp | "Woohoo! We're rich!" "I'm gonna write myself a new car!" |
| 22:56.57 | statik | My question could have been considered dumb. |
| 22:57.02 | statik | But I dont live in utah |
| 22:57.05 | statik | and i come here |
| 22:57.16 | Bradipo | vontrapp: That's pretty decent pay for finding bugs, assuming there are bugs to find. |
| 22:57.23 | Maquis | statik: i live in utah at some points in the year, and out of utah at other points in the year |
| 22:57.31 | statik | I see. |
| 22:57.32 | hans | Bradipo: if you're not in charge of writing the code, yeah |
| 22:57.34 | Maquis | somewhat migratory |
| 22:57.35 | statik | Well thats cool |
| 22:57.42 | bucky | it cost $99 at CompUSA to plug the hard drive back in |
| 22:57.46 | Maquis | where do you live? |
| 22:57.46 | hans | If you both code and debug, well... |
| 22:58.00 | statik | Maquis, Kansas City, Kansas. |
| 22:58.05 | Maquis | ah... cool |
| 22:58.13 | JoshH | i cant imagine letting the people at compusa touch my computer *shudder* |
| 22:58.15 | statik | I guess. |
| 22:58.16 | Bradipo | Obviously you wouldn't last long if you started writing your own bugs. |
| 22:58.29 | bucky | Burgoyne Computers, and Best Buy all correctly diagnosed the problem...that the power to our hard drive was simply unplugged. |
| 22:58.30 | hans | the gehpart thing sounds like a nice experiment, but really if you're sending in your computer to be fixed because you can't figure out that you unplugged the hard drive cable, then I don't have much sympathy. |
| 22:58.43 | vontrapp | Bradipo: you write the bugs, then 'find' and fix them |
| 22:58.54 | hans | Bradipo: this is dilbertland |
| 22:58.55 | bucky | hans, he did it on purpose to see who was shafting people |
| 22:58.58 | Bradipo | Ahh. |
| 22:59.02 | JoshH | honestly, i can sympathize with that tech. why would you just assume the power was unplugged? still though, he should have opened it. |
| 22:59.10 | JoshH | and at least tried some troubleshooting. |
| 22:59.10 | Bradipo | I don't read Dilbert that often... |
| 22:59.11 | hans | bucky: of course he did, but it's not a realistic experiment |
| 22:59.33 | Bradipo | The first thing you always check, always, always, always, is cabling. |
| 22:59.42 | bucky | hans, he could have made it harder.. but superdell failed the most simple test |
| 22:59.47 | Bradipo | Whether it's your car, your TV, your computer, your network equipment. |
| 22:59.54 | JoshH | hans: but its realistic enough to make all the clueless joe sixpacks watching the news think that totallyawesme sucks, which is why dell got extremely pissed. |
| 23:00.02 | bucky | hehe |
| 23:00.08 | hans | I agree well enough with the results |
| 23:00.22 | hans | I'm just saying it's not a realistic test |
| 23:00.36 | Tene | what would be, hans? |
| 23:00.39 | JoshH | no, but it doesnt have to be to fool the people that watch gephart. |
| 23:00.42 | hans | like putting a cup of salt in your bread dough and asking a baker to tell you why it didn't come out right |
| 23:00.42 | Bradipo | I would say its realistic. |
| 23:00.44 | Newsome | http://kutv.com/gephardt/local_story_041192114.html |
| 23:00.47 | bucky | that's what Burgoyne said |
| 23:00.48 | Bradipo | Doesn't happen often, but it can happen. |
| 23:00.54 | misterpull | you always reseat the cables.... |
| 23:00.59 | misterpull | http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/how_to/tricks_of_the_trade.php |
| 23:01.00 | bucky | how did that happen? hhe |
| 23:01.01 | dataw0lf | the thing is 3 out of 4 companies found it. |
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| 23:01.12 | dataw0lf | TAC, surprise, surprise, tried to sell em something. |
| 23:01.23 | tensai | not unlike the one I saw on Dateline I think it was. They were misaligned the garage door opener sensor and had people come check it out. |
| 23:01.29 | misterpull | don’t ask, “have you checked to see if the cable is plugged in?” because the customer will always say, “of course I did, do you think I’m a moron?” |
| 23:01.30 | hans | something that could happen without opening the case. |
| 23:01.31 | Newsome | everyone but TotallyStupidComputers fixed the problem |
| 23:01.38 | misterpull | Instead say, “remove the cable, blow the dust out of the connector, and plug it back in.” The customer will most likely reply, “hey, it’s working now—I guess that dust really builds up in there!” |
| 23:01.53 | dataw0lf | so, if you want to get something out of it, it's that TAC's employees are either 1) subpar or 2) told to try to sell stuff |
| 23:01.55 | Bradipo | Rule 1. Never assume the customer knows what they are talking about. |
| 23:02.04 | Bradipo | If they tell you that they never opened the case, why believe them? |
| 23:02.14 | bucky | hans, when the BIOS comes up and says boot sector not found.. what would you do? |
| 23:02.18 | misterpull | easy bet. |
| 23:02.28 | Bradipo | The BIOS would also say that it didn't see any hard drives. |
| 23:02.35 | sjansen | misterpull: you're "smart quotes" are annoying |
| 23:02.36 | Bradipo | Before it says boot sector not found. |
| 23:02.42 | misterpull | I don't hide that I use windows on my desktops |
| 23:02.42 | bucky | i'd look inside |
| 23:02.43 | misterpull | ewwww... |
| 23:02.44 | misterpull | sorry |
| 23:02.50 | hans | of course they're stupid. I'm not debating that |
| 23:02.51 | misterpull | copy paste from firefox |
| 23:02.54 | JoshH | eh, im not annoyed. |
| 23:02.57 | hans | I'm NOT |
| 23:03.11 | dataw0lf | I personally think that TAC's employees aren't stupid, I think they're directed to try to sell stuff. |
| 23:03.16 | misterpull | you're misspelling of your is almost as bad ;-) |
| 23:03.16 | hans | I'm saying gephart could have done something _interesting_ to be more discriminative. |
| 23:03.26 | dataw0lf | or decide that on their own since they get a cut for selling hardware. |
| 23:03.37 | JoshH | dataw0lf: exactly, and everyone slacks off now and then anyway. this tech just happened to do it at the wrong time. |
| 23:03.38 | bucky | dataw0lf, it's just dell who's stupid and annoying |
| 23:03.54 | levi | sjansen: Your misuse of "you're" is annoying, too. ;) |
| 23:03.58 | Bradipo | hans: More interesting than unplugging a hard drive? I think that's a great test. |
| 23:04.17 | jsmith | Quick question... anybody know how to enable SNMP on the stupid ActionTec DSL router? |
| 23:04.23 | jsmith | sjansen: In sham, huh? |
| 23:04.46 | levi | sjansen: Better quit now before you dig yourself even deeper. |
| 23:04.59 | sjansen | jsmith: Of course, don't you think I'd be more careful about spelling if it actually embarrased me? |
| 23:05.15 | hans | Bradipo: I think it's a great test for people that try to fix their own computers and then take them in. I can think of a few of those |
| 23:05.28 | sjansen | The one problem with bad spelling is that when you do it on purpose no one believes you. |
| 23:05.30 | dataw0lf | eh, if you're stupid enough to work for that hoser, you're probably not going to be checking HD power cables. |
| 23:05.59 | brailsmt | makes me wonder that if totally awesome computers is so quick to discount $100, they must have a huge markup... |
| 23:06.01 | levi | Maquis: What test? |
| 23:06.14 | Maquis | levi: cs345 |
| 23:06.32 | hans | sjansen: try this: /quit |
| 23:07.37 | levi | Maquis: That's the algorithms one? |
| 23:07.41 | Maquis | i've barely had time to study, but i have to take it and write the paper that's due tomorrow and study for the chinese quiz tomorrow, so that i can get the cs345 project that's due tomorrow night done, so i can do the project that's due thursday in another class so that i can work on the civ project that's worth 50% of my civ grade that's due next monday |
| 23:07.46 | Maquis | levi: nope |
| 23:07.46 | Maquis | operating systems |
| 23:07.49 | levi | Ahh. |
| 23:08.11 | levi | Gotta love the end of the semester cram-fest. |
| 23:08.19 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.39 | Maquis | l8r |
| 23:08.52 | levi | Maquis: Ew. |
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| 23:09.07 | sjansen | hans: How do I check if it worked? |
| 23:09.19 | hans | ·±¸²¹°³¶±·¹²µ´±¹³´ |
| 23:09.33 | hans | ñ÷åéïòðõñ÷ïåòôù |
| 23:10.22 | vontrapp | úøã |
| 23:10.46 | sjansen | Ѱаѱ!! |
| 23:10.51 | JoshH | you can also set the encoding you want for each network on the server list window |
| 23:11.42 | sjansen | There it is. Knew it was in a nice, logical spot. |
| 23:12.12 | JoshH | ya, its the first place i would have looked. |
| 23:12.18 | sjansen | heh |
| 23:13.01 | hans | I love how logical != obvious |
| 23:13.25 | hans | the developer has the whole program design cached in his mind which exacerbates the problem. |
| 23:14.17 | goozbach | now _that's_ a fun word |
| 23:14.24 | sjansen | Bah, won't let me have the nick Jaycê |
| 23:14.29 | goozbach | exasterbates |
| 23:14.36 | goozbach | it sounds dirty |
| 23:14.38 | hans | ~spell exacerbate |
| 23:14.49 | goozbach | ~spell whatever |
| 23:15.27 | hans | exacerbate was Word of the Day on October 3, 1999. |
| 23:15.40 | goozbach | I'm wilth sjansen on the spelling thing |
| 23:15.51 | levi | Is there a way to change it aside from the server options setting? |
| 23:15.53 | bucky | levi why don't you put that in the bot "your is annoying, use you're" |
| 23:16.06 | bucky | ~grammarsite levi |
| 23:16.09 | hans | I enjoy the speling apache module. |
| 23:16.15 | bucky | hehe |
| 23:16.32 | goozbach | I never need to know how to spell as long as google does |
| 23:16.46 | levi | bucky: It's only annoying when you use one when the other is appropriate. |
| 23:16.59 | JoshH | i hate it when people mix up lose/loose |
| 23:17.12 | JoshH | thats my biggest spelling peeve by far |
| 23:17.14 | hans | to,too, two. that's the most annoying one. |
| 23:17.17 | bucky | i went to schools in utah.. give me a break! |
| 23:17.55 | hans | ~break bucky |
| 23:17.56 | bucky | born to loose |
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| 23:20.54 | levi | ????? |
| 23:21.09 | levi_ | Hmm. |
| 23:21.18 | *** part/#utah levi_ (~levi@208.177.141.226.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 23:21.24 | levi | Stupid xchat. |
| 23:21.29 | bucky | if you scream in outer space.. can anyone hear you? |
| 23:21.53 | hans | if a man does dishes and nobody sees, are they really done? |
| 23:22.06 | bucky | not if he's a bachelor |
| 23:22.16 | dataw0lf | man... dishes.... ?? |
| 23:22.34 | hans | I think the point was in the context of an accompanying woman |
| 23:22.44 | JoshH | i used to buy paper plates and plastic cups just to minimize the dishes i would have to wash |
| 23:22.56 | dataw0lf | I just smack my dishwasher. |
| 23:23.03 | JoshH | lol |
| 23:23.35 | JoshH | ah, its great being a man/pig |
| 23:23.48 | dataw0lf | so true. |
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| 23:36.10 | synic | is there a way to remove a passphrase from an apache rsa cert? |
| 23:36.32 | vontrapp | yes, but i don't recall how |
| 23:36.36 | vontrapp | hans probably remembers |
| 23:37.16 | synic | hrmm, ok - just wondering if it was possible. I'll google it |
| 23:38.37 | hans | openssl rsa < protected.pem > unprotected.pem |
| 23:38.44 | misterpull | http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html#passphrase |
| 23:39.05 | synic | thanks |
| 23:43.54 | statik | hans is like a bot or something |
| 23:44.02 | statik | those answers are so 'wikipedia' like |
| 23:44.30 | statik | !hans what does AMF stand for when talking about Flash? |
| 23:45.48 | Bradipo | synic: openssl rsa -in file.pem -out file.pem |
| 23:46.12 | Bradipo | er, -out file1.pem |
| 23:46.25 | jsmith | statik: Actionscript message format? |
| 23:46.33 | Bradipo | Don't want to overwrite the original file, might truncate before you get out the useful information. :-) |
| 23:47.50 | tensai | Bradipo: not like it's hard to recreate a private key |
| 23:48.10 | tensai | :) |
| 23:48.11 | Bradipo | Well, if you have a certificate that uses that key, you're hosed. |
| 23:48.23 | hans | statik: Absolutely MagniFicent |
| 23:48.25 | Bradipo | You would have to get a new cert. |
| 23:49.14 | vontrapp | grr, what kind of css option would override margin: auto? |
| 23:49.17 | hans | I like the stdin/stdout way with openssl, that way your stadnard bash stuff applies and you're more likely to remember to use different files |
| 23:49.19 | tensai | just get a million monkeys... |
| 23:49.22 | hans | (if you're experienced with bash) |
| 23:49.37 | hans | infinite monkeys! |
| 23:52.12 | statik | jsmith, yup yup.. actually I think its just 'action' message format |
| 23:52.19 | statik | But yeah, you got it |