| 00:00.15 | statik | No. |
| 00:00.15 | usynic | yeah. |
| 00:00.18 | statik | there is? |
| 00:00.21 | Maquis | scott: yeah... i think so |
| 00:00.22 | statik | The drive has to be formated. |
| 00:00.24 | usynic | sure. |
| 00:00.39 | statik | And thats not a problem? |
| 00:00.53 | usynic | no - why would it be? |
| 00:01.07 | Maquis | i think you just need to set grub to boot windows, don't you? |
| 00:01.13 | usynic | or lilo |
| 00:01.18 | statik | Because they cant run off a mutual fs type |
| 00:01.23 | scott | there's something about the order, one has to be before hte other |
| 00:01.30 | scott | yeah, I realize the partition deal |
| 00:01.32 | usynic | you need to install windows first. |
| 00:01.36 | statik | I thought it had to be on seperate partitions that were formated to different fs... |
| 00:01.40 | scott | I mean not have a seperate boot partition |
| 00:01.43 | usynic | statik, he doesn't mean install both on the same partition |
| 00:01.52 | statik | omg |
| 00:01.52 | statik | sorry |
| 00:01.54 | statik | ... |
| 00:02.10 | statik | Miss a word and the world works differently. |
| 00:02.22 | scott | so windows first, then linux, and install on mbr or what's the other option? |
| 00:02.23 | usynic | scott, windows is picky about where it is, plus linux is the OS that's going to install the bootloader |
| 00:02.29 | Maquis | i just stuck windows on a partition, booted into knoppix, used fdisk to change /boot to the boot partition, and messed with grub |
| 00:03.01 | Maquis | granted, i don't care whether it really works because i only needed to get into windows once for 5 minutes, and i no longer want it... |
| 00:03.06 | scott | you had a /boot partition then.. |
| 00:03.16 | Maquis | scott: you *can* install windows on a machine that already has linux... |
| 00:03.24 | Maquis | it's a bit messier, though |
| 00:03.30 | usynic | scott, as hans was saying the other day, /boot isn't really needed at all anymore. |
| 00:03.47 | usynic | (as a partition) |
| 00:06.17 | Maquis | I don't recommend doing it the way i did, but I actually managed to add a small win partition by resizing my existing partitions (i had gentoo taking up my whole drive), adding a partition, formatting that partition (as fat32 --- it won't take anything else), installing windows, and then messing with fdisk in knoppix to get linux booting again |
| 00:06.49 | Maquis | so, it is possible |
| 00:06.55 | Maquis | it's just a tad ugly |
| 00:07.18 | usynic | heh, I managed to install windows on a slave drive. |
| 00:07.21 | statik | Any one here attend the 2600slc meets? |
| 00:07.23 | Maquis | (particularly the section where you resize the partitions... that's where i almost lost everything) |
| 00:07.46 | usynic | I had to put it as primary, install windows, then put the drive back on the secondary |
| 00:07.46 | usynic | modified lilo |
| 00:07.47 | usynic | and amazingly, it worked. |
| 00:07.51 | scott | anyone know if the ubuntu installer lets you resize partitions? |
| 00:07.52 | Maquis | usynic: nice :) |
| 00:07.55 | scott | (vfat) |
| 00:08.07 | Maquis | scott: doubt it... |
| 00:08.24 | Maquis | if you're trying to resize win partitions, i think you have to use something like partition-magic... |
| 00:08.29 | statik | scott, your most likely gonna have to use fdisk or cfdisk or whatever that one is called. |
| 00:08.43 | usynic | or fips |
| 00:08.46 | statik | Yup |
| 00:08.56 | usynic | scott, you could boot knoppix and use parted or qtparted |
| 00:09.16 | statik | Maquis, Theres others that will resize. |
| 00:09.20 | statik | Lots of linux ones too. |
| 00:09.36 | statik | scott, yeah, any livecd or install disc should help you out with that. |
| 00:09.43 | Maquis | really? |
| 00:09.57 | Maquis | i thought that win partitions didn't do that nicely (if they have a filesystem) |
| 00:10.14 | usynic | you have to defrag... |
| 00:10.22 | Maquis | ah |
| 00:11.02 | usynic | actually, it seems like parted defrags for you... |
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| 00:11.39 | usynic | ah, it doesn't support ntfs |
| 00:12.05 | scott | statik, except the livecd I'm running right ? :) |
| 00:12.12 | scott | (gnome 2.10 livecd) |
| 00:12.37 | statik | scott, i wouldnt know. |
| 00:12.42 | usynic | scott, ooh, parted has a disk image that you could burn to a CD |
| 00:12.45 | statik | try gentoo's; it roxors |
| 00:12.48 | usynic | 1.4MB |
| 00:12.58 | usynic | (and boot from) |
| 00:13.18 | usynic | http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/parted/bootdisk/partboot.img |
| 00:40.34 | scott | anyone know a good free cd burning program for windows? (or, can Windows XP burn cd images?) |
| 00:42.34 | Maquis | scott: free as in ? |
| 00:42.58 | Maquis | i know that nero has a 30-day evaluation period... |
| 00:43.50 | scott | free as in no eval period |
| 00:43.55 | Maquis | hmmm.. |
| 00:44.00 | Maquis | don't know of anything |
| 00:44.40 | Maquis | i know that winxp just burns the iso to disk as a file... |
| 00:44.43 | Maquis | kinda stupid |
| 00:44.50 | bonez39 | what does it mean if I keep getting kicked from a channel for excess flood? |
| 00:44.58 | bonez39 | I don't say much in a channel, and yet it boots me |
| 00:45.25 | Maquis | have you ever been there and flooded it before? |
| 00:46.01 | Maquis | bonez39: what channel? |
| 00:46.13 | bonez39 | Maquis: it's #asterisk |
| 00:46.22 | bonez39 | no, I never flood there....ever.. |
| 00:46.36 | bonez39 | I gotta run but will follow up at home....logged in there too |
| 00:46.37 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 00:46.45 | Maquis | dunno.... |
| 00:56.54 | Maquis | bonez39: i don't know how this fits with netiquette or whatever, but if i had that problem, i would probably figure out who the ops are, and try /msg-ing one of them to ask... |
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| 01:20.33 | Tene | bonez41, bonez39: kicked by who? A bot, chanserv, etc. |
| 01:20.58 | bonez41 | well, i don't remember now..I could go back and check thogh.... |
| 01:21.21 | Tene | 'cause that's something to look at. |
| 01:21.37 | bonez41 | ok...... |
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| 01:52.06 | tensai | usynic: boot=/dev/md1 (which is /boot) |
| 01:57.00 | Maquis | tensai: sorry... my hw is on my computer |
| 01:59.30 | tensai | ~wiki Hanlon's razor |
| 02:00.24 | mhalcrow | ~wiki Occam's Razor |
| 02:00.48 | mhalcrow | Ah. How appropriate. |
| 02:02.02 | mhalcrow | I suppose that's about as reductionist as you can get, no? |
| 02:05.43 | goozbach | heh |
| 02:05.48 | Maquis | goo! |
| 02:06.21 | goozbach | maq!!! |
| 02:06.39 | Maquis | sup? |
| 02:07.37 | goozbach | just chillin |
| 02:07.48 | Maquis | fun |
| 02:08.25 | goozbach | threatening to go to a SON show |
| 02:08.36 | Maquis | SON? |
| 02:08.49 | Maquis | threatening who? |
| 02:08.53 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:09.10 | goozbach | ~ |
| 02:09.16 | goozbach | ~SON |
| 02:09.25 | goozbach | |SON |
| 02:09.38 | goozbach | SON is Sons of Nothing |
| 02:09.47 | goozbach | ~SON is Sons of Nothing |
| 02:09.48 | ibot | goozbach: okay |
| 02:09.49 | Maquis | uh huh... |
| 02:09.55 | goozbach | |SON is Sons of Nothing |
| 02:10.04 | Maquis | goozbach: brigham's not here at the moment :) |
| 02:10.22 | goozbach | the pink floyd cover band that fozz works with |
| 02:11.01 | Maquis | ah... |
| 02:11.58 | mhalcrow | Is that announcement in relation to the anonymizer? |
| 02:12.47 | goozbach | on |
| 02:13.20 | goozbach | different |
| 02:16.54 | Maquis | mmmmm |
| 02:17.49 | Maquis | hmmm... this radio station keeps talking about the "long weekend"... |
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| 02:20.46 | tensai | Maquis: sping break maybe? |
| 02:21.17 | tensai | er, spring even |
| 02:26.34 | Maquis | tensai: dunno |
| 02:26.50 | Maquis | whatever it is, it's making me jealous |
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| 02:49.53 | scott | any local mirrors of knoppix? |
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| 02:50.53 | amcnabb | I hate private addresses. |
| 02:51.10 | Maquis | amcnabb: huh? |
| 02:52.23 | amcnabb | Earlier today I was using 10.0.0.1 on en0 to transfer files with someone else's computer. Then I got on BYU's wireless system. They gave me a 192.168.* address, but they forced me to go to a page on a 10.* address. Routing wasn't happy. |
| 02:54.10 | amcnabb | I had a network interface that was being used to route to 10.* addresses. |
| 02:54.24 | Maquis | ok... |
| 02:54.30 | amcnabb | BYU's system includes both 192.168.* addresses and 10.* addresses. |
| 02:54.39 | Maquis | ok |
| 02:55.02 | Maquis | so, it got confused because it saw two 10.* addresses? |
| 02:55.24 | amcnabb | If private addresses were only used for ad-hoc, it would be great. But when real systems use them--especially when multiple systems collide by using the same private addresses--things get very evil. |
| 02:56.04 | amcnabb | My computer was routing 10.* addresses to en0, so I couldn't get to the 10.* address on BYU's network. |
| 02:56.04 | Maquis | ok |
| 02:56.14 | amcnabb | Just frustrating. |
| 02:56.36 | Maquis | and you needed to get to 10.* addresses in both places? |
| 02:56.41 | Maquis | i think i get it |
| 02:56.43 | amcnabb | If BYU had given me a 10.* address, it wouldn't have been a problem because I would have noticed it right away. |
| 02:56.47 | Maquis | what's en0? |
| 02:56.57 | amcnabb | The equivalent of eth0. |
| 02:57.00 | Maquis | oh |
| 02:57.01 | Maquis | ok |
| 02:57.05 | Maquis | i think i get it |
| 02:57.10 | Maquis | thanks for explaining |
| 02:57.11 | amcnabb | To each Unix its own. |
| 02:57.46 | amcnabb | It wouldn't be so complicated if we all used the same namespace for IP addresses. |
| 02:58.04 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:59.10 | Maquis | so, how's your powerbook doing? |
| 02:59.11 | LeviHome | Aieee, nailing baseboard moulding to the wall sucks mightily. |
| 02:59.15 | amcnabb | Not that I have any opinions or anything. :) |
| 02:59.27 | Maquis | amcnabb: you? have opinions? never :) |
| 02:59.40 | amcnabb | My powerbook's doing better than LeviHome's baseboard moulding. |
| 02:59.49 | amcnabb | I'm not nailing it to the wall, in any case. |
| 02:59.54 | Maquis | that's good |
| 03:01.44 | Maquis | do you prefer the powerbook over a x86 laptop? |
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| 03:05.42 | emcnabb | hello amcnabb |
| 03:05.55 | LeviHome | Anyone here used colinux? |
| 03:08.36 | amcnabb | Maquis: I definitely prefer it (though I've never had a Thinkpad) |
| 03:08.38 | amcnabb | Hi, emcnabb |
| 03:10.42 | scott | the powerbook (and the dell XPS 2 for the gamer in me) were the only laptops that were contenders with the thinkpad for me. |
| 03:11.31 | Maquis | amcnabb: cool... i'm trying to decide on what to get for my next laptop.... some of the thinkpads look pretty nice... but macs are pretty nice too... |
| 03:11.59 | amcnabb | Thinkpads are a bit expensive, but very cool. |
| 03:12.02 | scott | Maquis, borrow a powerbook for a day and borrow a thinkpad for a day and see which you like best |
| 03:12.09 | amcnabb | That's good advice. |
| 03:12.12 | scott | they're not any more expensive than the powerbooks |
| 03:12.35 | amcnabb | I'm also thinking in terms of student pricing. |
| 03:12.39 | scott | same here |
| 03:12.40 | Maquis | see, i don't know how i'd do with only having one mouse-button |
| 03:12.48 | amcnabb | For a laptop it's better. |
| 03:12.50 | Maquis | does ibm have student pricing? |
| 03:13.02 | scott | you can get a thinkpad 42 that's pretty similiar to powerbook 12" for same price |
| 03:13.13 | scott | but with a bigger screen |
| 03:13.20 | scott | Maquis, yeah |
| 03:13.21 | amcnabb | You can use keyboard modifiers to get middle and right clicks, which I prefer to the standard two-button trackpads. |
| 03:13.25 | Maquis | amcnabb: i think you mentioned that you actually don't have linux on the powerbook at all? just configuring OSX to work like it? |
| 03:13.45 | Maquis | amcnabb: see, i have 3 buttons right now, and i love it... :) |
| 03:13.51 | amcnabb | Basically, yes. |
| 03:14.02 | scott | linux on powerbooks stinks because 1) no wireless 2) no sleep afaik |
| 03:14.10 | Maquis | that's what i've heard... |
| 03:14.10 | amcnabb | My thumb isn't very flexible. |
| 03:14.18 | amcnabb | That's why I haven't installed Linux yet. |
| 03:14.20 | LeviHome | Sleep used to work in Linux. |
| 03:14.32 | amcnabb | I'll get around to it eventually for fun, but as long as I have Unix I'm happy. |
| 03:14.40 | amcnabb | s/Unix/Unix with GNU/ |
| 03:14.42 | Maquis | i've never gotten sleep working on my toshiba... |
| 03:14.44 | LeviHome | Friend of mine had an original TiBook. Sleep worked fine. |
| 03:15.06 | Maquis | hmmm... i'll have to think a bit about this... 'tis a hard decision |
| 03:15.10 | LeviHome | If you run Linux, you can run OS X at the same time via MacOnLinux. |
| 03:15.14 | scott | LeviHome, I think there are a number of things that work on older powerbooks that don't work on new ones |
| 03:15.25 | LeviHome | scott: Hmm. That's too bad. |
| 03:15.57 | scott | Maquis, there are definitely good reasons to get a mac. I'd just definitely recommend trying both out and see what YOU like most |
| 03:16.29 | Maquis | yeah... i've worked with OSX a lot, but not with it set up with X11 and such... |
| 03:16.43 | Maquis | my parents both use macs... |
| 03:16.46 | scott | I told myself for the last few years that the next laptop I get would be a powerbook and when I never liked the thinkpads. Then I used both. |
| 03:16.57 | Maquis | i'm the only one with a PC in the family |
| 03:17.37 | Maquis | i'm going to have to play with a thinkpad for a bit before going home, though |
| 03:17.48 | amcnabb | I'd recommend getting both a Powerbook and a Thinkpad. You can't go wrong! |
| 03:17.53 | scott | hehe |
| 03:17.57 | Maquis | amcnabb: uh huh... :) |
| 03:18.24 | scott | for the price of a 15" powerbook you could get a thinkpad and a ibook |
| 03:18.43 | Maquis | i didn't see a lot of configuration options for the powerbooks... |
| 03:19.01 | scott | they don't need configuration options because they're perfect as they come |
| 03:19.10 | Maquis | i'll have to look at the site again... but i really liked the way that ibm had a "create your own" type of thing on their site :) |
| 03:19.20 | amcnabb | Create your own what? |
| 03:19.28 | amcnabb | The Macs already come with bluetooth, etc. |
| 03:21.04 | Maquis | amcnabb: you can select all the features you want, the resolution you want to have as the native resolution, how much RAM you want, what size of hard drive you want, you name it |
| 03:22.08 | Maquis | amcnabb: is there anythign you've run into on the powerbook that you don't like? |
| 03:24.55 | ballistic | Tor rocks. |
| 03:26.20 | ballistic | One button. |
| 03:26.25 | amcnabb | Maquis: you can select hard drive and RAM size and display size (I don't think native resolution is that big a deal because their defaults are definitely adequate). |
| 03:26.38 | ballistic | Give me two freaking buttons on the laptop. |
| 03:26.50 | ballistic | I don't want an external mouse to have two buttons. |
| 03:26.53 | scott | give me 5 (thinkpad) |
| 03:26.58 | ballistic | ;-) |
| 03:27.11 | Maquis | amcnabb: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/rseries_byo.html?&ca=lmbitpr&me=W&met=inli&re=tprevp |
| 03:27.11 | amcnabb | I haven't had any problems that weren't worse on my old PC. I have three buttons (with keyboard modifiers which I prefer anyway). |
| 03:28.27 | amcnabb | It's all about personal preferences. |
| 03:28.33 | amcnabb | Find out what you like. |
| 03:30.01 | Maquis | yeah... i need to play with things a bit |
| 03:30.29 | Maquis | i haven't been all that impressed with OSX so far, but i've never played with it with X working... |
| 03:31.00 | amcnabb | For the most part I just use Darwin. |
| 03:31.15 | amcnabb | But having OSX around keeps things interesting. |
| 03:31.15 | ballistic | I prefer Wallace. |
| 03:31.19 | amcnabb | :) |
| 03:31.34 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:32.01 | ballistic | :) |
| 03:32.58 | LeviHome | I like OS X. |
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| 04:02.49 | funkmasterflash | my funk is flashy |
| 04:16.37 | Maquis | amcnabb: what's the topic for next week's meeting? do we know? |
| 04:23.18 | goozbach | ok so I'm gonna do something that I never thought I would |
| 04:23.33 | tensai | don't you like being a dude??? |
| 04:24.30 | goozbach | praise a KDE app |
| 04:24.46 | goozbach | but nice try |
| 04:25.26 | goozbach | KpoGre is REALLY good |
| 04:26.27 | goozbach | I finally found an equal to the admin tool for MSsql |
| 04:28.05 | tensai | looks pretty cool. have you tried pgadmin3? |
| 04:28.45 | goozbach | ohh no |
| 04:28.49 | goozbach | url? |
| 04:29.49 | goozbach | nm I googled it |
| 04:29.52 | tensai | pgadmin.org |
| 04:30.22 | goozbach | ooo!!! gtk even |
| 04:30.37 | tensai | wx I believe |
| 04:31.17 | goozbach | you're right |
| 04:31.57 | tensai | I recall having some problems with it freezing up but that was a year ago |
| 04:32.55 | goozbach | and I think I may have used it abt 1.5~2 yrs ago |
| 04:38.04 | mrpull_ | how hard is it to do a PIT restore in PG? |
| 04:40.04 | tensai | PIT? Is that like PITA? |
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| 04:43.01 | mrpull_ | i guess I irritated the wifi gods... |
| 04:43.34 | mrpull_ | anyhow... are Point In Time restores easy in postgres? can they even be done in mysql? |
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| 07:00.47 | statik | shit; didnt know I had lost this channel. |
| 07:00.54 | statik | Damn silc/irc client. |
| 07:36.08 | statik | Anyone here ever used vim on the ppc? |
| 07:36.31 | statik | Mac OS X doesnt seem to like syntax high-lighting by default |
| 07:40.42 | amcnabb | I use vim in X, so I haven't had any trouble. |
| 07:43.48 | statik | gvim? |
| 07:43.53 | statik | For x11? |
| 07:44.29 | amcnabb | I actually usually just use it in an aterm. |
| 07:44.44 | statik | But for x11... |
| 07:44.52 | amcnabb | yeah |
| 07:44.53 | statik | I dont run X, I guess thats the problem. |
| 07:45.07 | statik | Oh well, I will use bbedit or xcode for now. |
| 07:45.12 | statik | Even though I HATE those two. |
| 07:45.27 | statik | I could use scite I guess. |
| 07:47.05 | Maquis | or you could stick X on :) |
| 07:47.26 | amcnabb | Good night. |
| 07:47.33 | statik | yeah, just for syntax high-lighting.. haha |
| 07:48.04 | Maquis | i don't see what's wrong with taht |
| 07:48.14 | Maquis | syntax highlighting is important to me |
| 07:48.39 | statik | I dont need it, its just icing on the cake in my eyes. |
| 07:52.05 | statik | I would only need it for really long files and I dont code that way, so it would only be really useful when reading someone elses crappy code. |
| 07:52.16 | statik | As opposed to my crappy code. |
| 08:12.23 | Maquis | hmmmm... |
| 08:12.35 | Maquis | someone was asking if there was a way to google for word * word... |
| 08:12.37 | Maquis | there is... |
| 08:12.44 | statik | What do you mean/ |
| 08:13.11 | Maquis | someone wanted to do a google search for any situation where there was exactly 1 word between two other words, regardless of what that word was |
| 08:13.17 | Maquis | i found out how to do it |
| 08:14.00 | statik | Do tell. |
| 08:14.08 | Maquis | red * blue |
| 08:14.13 | statik | "word" & "word" |
| 08:14.18 | statik | just like that? |
| 08:14.21 | statik | word * word? |
| 08:14.30 | Maquis | that's what the google cheat-sheet says |
| 08:15.12 | statik | shit. Ya learn something new everyday. |
| 08:38.09 | Tene | except doesn't that match more than one word? |
| 08:39.14 | statik | theres more people in here than I remember. did plug get bigger? |
| 08:39.28 | statik | or the slcuug or whatever? |
| 08:41.31 | usynic | tensai, it's all workin' |
| 08:41.35 | usynic | I had to use grub. |
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| 15:41.35 | Maquis | Tene: the whole point is that it matches exactly one word |
| 15:41.59 | Maquis | if you leave it out, then it'll match anything that has both words someplace in it |
| 15:46.19 | Maquis | HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!!! |
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| 17:20.55 | tensai | usynic: awesome! |
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| 17:55.53 | scottj | Anyone else have a hard time typing on a laptop w/o accidently touching the trackpad and messing up the cursor location? Anything to fix that besides disabling it and learning to not touch it? |
| 18:16.51 | usynic | tensai, yeah :) |
| 18:17.18 | usynic | scottj, I had that problem with my ibook. It just took a while to stop hitting it accidentally |
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| 19:18.23 | goozbach | tensai: thanks for the pointer at pgadmin3 |
| 19:18.42 | goozbach | now I won't have to enter a curt cobain shotgun cleaning contest. |
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| 21:35.59 | SpecialK | which is better, WPA, WEP, or WEP+802.1X ? |
| 21:36.19 | Tene | ~lart SpecialK |
| 21:36.23 | Tene | ~zap specialk |
| 21:36.25 | ibot | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives specialk a good jolt. |
| 21:36.26 | Tene | ~cook specialk |
| 21:36.28 | ibot | ACTION throws specialk in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks specialk on 350 for an hour |
| 21:36.32 | Tene | ~kill specialk |
| 21:36.34 | ibot | ACTION shoots a ionized fluxproton gun at specialk |
| 21:36.47 | Maquis | ~flog tene |
| 21:36.49 | ibot | ACTION hog-ties tene and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 21:37.01 | Tene | Maquis: hi |
| 21:37.24 | Tene | SpecialK: why didn't you tell them to shape up? |
| 21:37.58 | Maquis | Tene: hi |
| 21:38.28 | SpecialK | What'd I do? |
| 21:39.25 | Tene | re: your statement at 9:34 this morning |
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| 21:48.38 | Maquis | mmmmm... quiche!!! |
| 22:00.33 | tensai | SpecialK: WPA |
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| 22:05.26 | Maquis | yay! i was right! |
| 22:07.26 | tensai | too bad the prism54 driver doesn't support wpa. I'm stuck using WEP. To use 802.1x you'll need a radius server which most people don't have handy. |
| 22:15.19 | Maquis | Tene: what exactly is 802.1x? |
| 22:15.30 | Tene | Maquis: no idea, why are you asking me? |
| 22:15.33 | Tene | ;) |
| 22:15.33 | Maquis | ~wiki 802.1x |
| 22:15.52 | Maquis | Tene: sorry |
| 22:15.52 | Maquis | tensai: what exactly is 802.1x |
| 22:15.52 | Tene | just teasing, M. |
| 22:15.52 | Maquis | :) |
| 22:16.03 | tensai | I can't say what it is "exactly". Try wikipedia. ;) |
| 22:16.18 | Maquis | :( |
| 22:16.29 | tensai | it's a way of authenticating network access |
| 22:16.40 | Maquis | that involves? |
| 22:16.50 | tensai | authenticating |
| 22:17.44 | Maquis | so, it's not actually for wireless... it's used for wired too... |
| 22:17.52 | tensai | it's used on wired lans too. your box has to send credentials to the router. |
| 22:18.02 | tensai | that's what I was getting to |
| 22:18.08 | Maquis | :) |
| 22:18.17 | Maquis | that's a short wikipedia entry |
| 22:18.23 | tensai | then each packet is tagged somehow. untagged packets just get dropped. |
| 22:18.29 | Maquis | ok... |
| 22:18.53 | Maquis | so, each network has a specific type of tag that it's lookign for... |
| 22:19.08 | tensai | I accidentally turned 802.1x on on one of my switches a while back. Then I couldn't get to it to turn it off because it was ignoring my non-tagged packets. |
| 22:19.09 | Maquis | if the tag is missing or wrong, it ignores the packet? |
| 22:19.20 | Maquis | how did you resolve that? |
| 22:19.43 | tensai | each client tags their packet so that the router knows its from you. I assume they are cryptographically secure but don't know for sure. |
| 22:19.58 | tensai | it'd be silly otherwise. just watch the traffic and steal somebody else's tag. |
| 22:20.10 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 22:20.11 | tensai | I don't remember how I did it |
| 22:20.31 | Maquis | it'd be interesting if they did something like gpg signing of packets or something... that'd be a cool way to do it... |
| 22:21.27 | tensai | that's what ipsec does |
| 22:21.51 | tensai | AH packets are simply a signed packet, no encryption done. they're pretty uncommon though. |
| 22:22.01 | Maquis | pl |
| 22:22.03 | Maquis | ok |
| 22:22.04 | Maquis | :) |
| 22:28.04 | Tene | you can do both ipsec and AH, though. |
| 22:28.23 | tensai | ah *is* ipsec |
| 22:28.37 | Tene | wait... |
| 22:28.38 | Tene | hmm |
| 22:28.41 | tensai | so is esp which is the encrypted version |
| 22:28.58 | Maquis | esp? |
| 22:29.14 | Maquis | if you can do esp, why do you need to use anything else :) |
| 22:29.15 | Maquis | ? |
| 22:29.44 | SpecialK | sniff |
| 22:30.09 | Tene | rot13? |
| 22:30.13 | tensai | encapsulating security payload |
| 22:30.25 | Maquis | :) |
| 22:30.33 | Maquis | cool |
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| 22:35.11 | tensai | Maquis: ok, ignore half of what I said about 802.1x. I confused it with 802.1q which is vlans. That's where the tags come in. |
| 22:37.33 | tensai | with such descriptive names, it's hard to see why |
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| 23:22.10 | Maquis | tensai: :) |
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| 23:43.14 | scottj | rythmbox or muine? why one or the other? |
| 23:45.03 | tensai | rhythmbox because it works great and I've never heard of muine |
| 23:56.46 | Tene | I remember muine being kinda nice. |