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| 00:14.13 | Peregrine | Poor sjansen :(. |
| 00:14.22 | Maquis | Peregrine: huh? |
| 00:14.29 | Maquis | oh |
| 00:14.34 | Peregrine | ~lart Utah Chapter of the National Kidney Foundation. |
| 00:15.02 | Peregrine | I gotta learn to leave the periods off of my lart's. |
| 00:15.16 | Maquis | Peregrine: yeah |
| 00:25.15 | fozz | ~lart punctuation |
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| 01:41.09 | stuporglue | I shared my first piece of OSS today. It's a simple stupid program, but it feels kind of good. :-) It's for OSX, and it swaps any folder (which you have permissions for) for a folder of your choice. It effectily lets you manage desktop-icon clutter. |
| 01:41.22 | stuporglue | http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26224 -- >250 downloads! |
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| 01:48.40 | findlay | ~lart Maquis |
| 01:48.57 | fishyfire | ~lart findlay |
| 01:49.03 | stuporglue | ~lart ibot |
| 01:49.44 | fishyfire | findlay: you mad at Maquis now? |
| 01:49.58 | findlay | no, why? |
| 01:51.10 | fishyfire | "lart Maquis" and the conversation from last night.... just wondering |
| 01:52.48 | findlay | are you feeling ambient sympathy for girlkind on my behalf? |
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| 01:54.36 | fishyfire | no... it wasn't meant to sound like that.... i understand your frustration with girlkind |
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| 02:04.25 | Maquis | findlay: fishyfire: you two missed my comment this morning when i saw your discussion |
| 02:04.36 | Maquis | i'm afraid i'm inclined to agree with findlay |
| 02:05.22 | Maquis | if my roommates are any indication, once the guys get back from missions, a lot of them (at least a lot of the guys i know) are more mature than my roommates are (and 3 of my roommates are back from missions...) |
| 02:05.33 | findlay | Maquis, I signed off, sorry. |
| 02:05.43 | Maquis | yeah |
| 02:05.45 | Maquis | i noticed |
| 02:05.46 | fishyfire | yeah i agree with that |
| 02:05.54 | Maquis | i commented anyways |
| 02:06.08 | fishyfire | i think it depends on the person |
| 02:06.09 | Maquis | guys are *very* immature before their missions though |
| 02:06.13 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 02:06.19 | RyanE | and during |
| 02:06.32 | fishyfire | yeah i headed up to work at 7 |
| 02:06.38 | findlay | guess I'm still immature |
| 02:06.45 | fishyfire | didn't look back this morning |
| 02:07.10 | Maquis | fishyfire: i wasn't exceptionally expecting anyone to read my comments... |
| 02:07.21 | Maquis | they were made around 5:30 this morning |
| 02:07.49 | fishyfire | so were you up early or had you not yet headed to bed? |
| 02:08.28 | findlay | Maquis was up until 5:30 AM playing gltron (: |
| 02:08.39 | fishyfire | lol |
| 02:09.03 | Maquis | i was up early |
| 02:09.07 | fishyfire | cool |
| 02:09.11 | Maquis | headed out this morning bright and early for brainshare :) |
| 02:09.22 | findlay | cool, what did you do there? |
| 02:09.46 | Maquis | hung out, went to the keynote today, went to a class, got a shirt and a cool usb light |
| 02:10.00 | findlay | did it cost anything? |
| 02:10.09 | Maquis | not for me |
| 02:11.15 | Maquis | ~praise spr and amcnabb |
| 02:11.17 | ibot | All hail spr and amcnabb! |
| 02:12.04 | fishyfire | anyone have iprovo and have trouble with it? |
| 02:12.26 | Maquis | fishyfire: not sure if it was uug or plug, but i've seen some comments saying that linux and iprovo don't play nicely |
| 02:12.36 | fishyfire | i'm not sure if it's their problem or my router |
| 02:12.46 | fishyfire | i think i saw that in the uug one |
| 02:12.47 | RyanE | and that they'll give you an internal static IP if necessary |
| 02:12.55 | RyanE | b/c the problems are with DHCP |
| 02:13.02 | Maquis | if it's the same problem that everyone else who's tried to put linux and iprovo together have had, it's their problem |
| 02:13.06 | findlay | why should there be a problem? |
| 02:13.14 | RyanE | non-standard DHCP |
| 02:13.26 | findlay | ~lart non-standard DHCP |
| 02:13.27 | fishyfire | the problem i have is that it works fine for a while but then after a while the speed drops way down for downloading webpages |
| 02:13.36 | fishyfire | err loading webpages |
| 02:13.45 | fishyfire | although downloads go as fast as normal |
| 02:13.56 | RyanE | definitely not the same problem reported on the list |
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| 02:14.27 | fishyfire | i have to release the dhcp and restart my computer and renew the dhcp to get it back up to speed |
| 02:14.44 | Maquis | fishyfire: why do you have to restart? |
| 02:14.54 | Maquis | seems like you shouldn't need that step |
| 02:14.57 | fishyfire | i mean the webpages load slower than the dialup we have at home |
| 02:15.03 | fishyfire | i don't know... |
| 02:15.15 | RyanE | do you guys know in Linux how to allow a user application to open privileged (port 1111 in this case) ports? |
| 02:15.16 | fishyfire | i think i have tried just releasing and renewing and it doesn't work |
| 02:15.32 | fishyfire | not sure why |
| 02:16.02 | findlay | maybe you're running out of RAM |
| 02:16.28 | fishyfire | how would i go about checking? |
| 02:16.36 | findlay | free |
| 02:16.43 | findlay | `which free` |
| 02:16.58 | findlay | /usr/bin/free |
| 02:18.20 | fishyfire | says free 3648 |
| 02:18.40 | findlay | that's not a lot |
| 02:18.52 | findlay | which number are you quoting? |
| 02:19.12 | fishyfire | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.12 | fishyfire | Mem: 483920 480272 3648 0 41924 132464 |
| 02:19.12 | fishyfire | -/+ buffers/cache: 305884 178036 |
| 02:19.12 | fishyfire | Swap: 4040256 52284 3987972 |
| 02:20.24 | findlay | do you have lots of big applications running? |
| 02:20.34 | findlay | like kde _and_ emacs? |
| 02:20.37 | findlay | (: |
| 02:20.43 | fishyfire | kde is running yes |
| 02:20.53 | fishyfire | also firefox, gaim, xchat and realplayer\ |
| 02:21.42 | findlay | I don't really know anything, but the first line only shows memory allocated/unallocated by the kernel, whereas the second line actually shows what is being used |
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| 02:22.26 | findlay | sjansen: are you up for an artificial intellectual argument? |
| 02:22.32 | Maquis | fishyfire: looks like you're using a lot... maybe try using less, and seeing what happens... |
| 02:24.32 | sjansen | findlay: So what's your take on the despotic banning of wayward innocents like Halcrow? |
| 02:24.49 | findlay | indeed |
| 02:25.15 | findlay | I cannot say whether it has anything to do with the 9.5th law of robotics |
| 02:25.31 | sjansen | You took an indeed? I've never even seen an indeed. |
| 02:25.34 | sjansen | Jerk. |
| 02:27.48 | sjansen | o/~ Digital Digital ~/o |
| 02:28.56 | Maquis | huh??? |
| 02:29.01 | findlay | (: |
| 02:29.35 | sjansen | findlay: 1 sjansen: 0 |
| 02:30.26 | findlay | lol, Maquis don't feel bad |
| 02:30.27 | vontrapp | Maquis: it hurt my brain, too. |
| 02:30.31 | findlay | ~console Maquis |
| 02:30.33 | ibot | ACTION gives Maquis the consolation moose |
| 02:31.32 | scott | Maquis, don't you use gentoo? does it already have gnome 2.10 and beagle 0.8? |
| 02:31.54 | Maquis | scott: not sure... if it has beagle, i should go emerge that... |
| 02:32.00 | Maquis | it was almost as cool as the floppy windows |
| 02:32.06 | findlay | scott: mine dosen't without accepting ~x86 |
| 02:32.27 | SpecialK | ~travolta Maquis |
| 02:32.29 | ibot | ACTION replaces Maquis with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 02:34.26 | fishyfire | so the ram jumped up to 15472 free |
| 02:34.37 | fishyfire | and the webpages still seem a little slow... |
| 02:35.16 | findlay | could be that it's a full moon tonight |
| 02:35.25 | findlay | or last night, whenever it was |
| 02:35.30 | fishyfire | tonight |
| 02:36.25 | findlay | windows on a floppy? huh? |
| 02:37.03 | Maquis | findlay: have you seen the windows in luminocity that flop around as you drag them? |
| 02:37.15 | Maquis | they were doing that with gxine while watching a movie in it |
| 02:37.18 | Maquis | it was way cool |
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| 02:37.24 | fishyfire | tonight |
| 02:37.53 | findlay | the RIAA would officially like to send sjansen to the slammer for deleting songs he doesn't like without their permission, and in spite of their most holy DRM |
| 02:38.15 | findlay | Maquis: I have seen it |
| 02:38.25 | findlay | I've also seen windows xp |
| 02:38.29 | findlay | but not on a floppy |
| 02:39.02 | findlay | there was a guy on the sllug that was asking for some 8" floppies, maybe he wants to put windows on them |
| 02:42.31 | scott | SXSW? |
| 02:43.06 | sjansen | scott: http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,66819,00.html?tw=wn_story_top5 |
| 02:43.25 | sjansen | ~hug the minibosses |
| 02:43.27 | ibot | ACTION hugs the minibosses |
| 02:43.54 | tensai | ~sxsw |
| 02:43.55 | ibot | i guess sxsw is The South by Southwest Festival is offering 49 hours of *FREE MUSIC*. http://2005.sxsw.com/geekout/sxsw4pod/ |
| 02:44.02 | scott | oh yeah, I already downloaded that |
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| 02:50.14 | findlay | did you know that switching from windows to linux can be prohibitively expensive? |
| 02:50.36 | mhalcrow | Lies. |
| 02:50.43 | mhalcrow | All lies and half-truths. |
| 02:50.49 | findlay | read the full yankee group report tonight at 11 |
| 02:50.57 | mhalcrow | Deceivers. |
| 02:51.15 | findlay | naw, I think they're in it for the humor of it all |
| 02:51.18 | mhalcrow | They are being led around by the donkeys of rats. |
| 02:51.23 | mhalcrow | All of them. |
| 02:51.35 | sjansen | Someone needs a hug. |
| 02:51.37 | sjansen | ~hug mhalcrow |
| 02:51.40 | ibot | ACTION hugs mhalcrow |
| 02:51.59 | sjansen | ~console mhalcrow |
| 02:52.01 | ibot | ACTION gives mhalcrow the consolation moose |
| 02:52.05 | findlay | I mean, who would say something like that with a straight face and actually *mean* it? |
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| 02:52.18 | mhalcrow | Hey Torrie. |
| 02:52.41 | findlay | it's noce there are people like that in the world that are truly concerned for our amusement welfare |
| 02:52.44 | mhalcrow | findlay: Your name sounds familiar..... |
| 02:52.51 | torriem | hey mhalcrow |
| 02:53.07 | findlay | yeah... sounds familliar to me too. hm.. |
| 02:53.10 | mhalcrow | Were you a senior at BYU around 2000? |
| 02:53.18 | findlay | no |
| 02:53.22 | sjansen | As in Justin. One of those sickos that enjoys math and physics. He mighta been around a little before you graduated. |
| 02:53.53 | findlay | just barely, like an epsilon or a ds worth of time |
| 02:54.09 | sjansen | ~slap findlay |
| 02:54.11 | ibot | ACTION slaps findlay, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 02:54.25 | sjansen | findlay: We don't don't use that kinda offensive language around here. |
| 02:54.45 | tensai | sjansen: I've got some bad news for you. http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2005048826325.gif |
| 02:54.47 | sjansen | ~travolta math sickos |
| 02:54.49 | ibot | ACTION replaces math sickos with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 02:55.52 | mhalcrow | So I've been considering heading up a revolt. |
| 02:56.00 | mhalcrow | You know, the kind with pitchforks and news cameras. |
| 02:56.12 | spr | oohhh, pitchforks. |
| 02:56.17 | sjansen | Can I have a dukey of my own and serfs and all that? |
| 02:56.18 | mhalcrow | I just need a slogan or two. |
| 02:56.25 | spr | Don't forget the torches |
| 02:56.28 | findlay | and penguin suits |
| 02:56.31 | mhalcrow | Yeah, whatever you want. But only if you're in the inner circle. |
| 02:56.47 | mhalcrow | You have to prove your loyalty by ratting out those with deviant opinions. |
| 02:57.08 | mhalcrow | First we need to define those opinions. |
| 02:57.18 | sjansen | He's a deviant, I'm sure of it. Why he just admitted to being an RIAA mole a little bit ago. |
| 02:57.21 | mhalcrow | Then we need to figure out who deviates from them. |
| 02:57.30 | findlay | ~opinion |
| 02:57.35 | sjansen | mhalcrow: Too complicated. Let's just pick the people we don't like. |
| 02:57.53 | mhalcrow | Or we could just select who we don't like, figure out what their opinions are, and then form opinions based on that. |
| 02:58.01 | mhalcrow | Yeah. |
| 02:58.08 | mhalcrow | Or just single out people we don't like. ;-) |
| 02:58.44 | mhalcrow | So what do you do for weight loss? I'm starting to get a gut. |
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| 03:00.09 | mhalcrow | I got eCryptfs building and running on PPC64 today. Public code release is imminent..... |
| 03:01.06 | findlay | mhalcrow: how does that relate to the other crytographic features of the kernel? |
| 03:01.17 | mhalcrow | findlay: It uses the kernel crypto API. |
| 03:01.21 | mhalcrow | It's a filesystem. |
| 03:01.28 | mhalcrow | But it stacks. |
| 03:01.33 | mhalcrow | And it's on the VFS layer, not the block layer. |
| 03:01.38 | mhalcrow | Think "PGPFS". |
| 03:01.56 | findlay | so it's not a filesystem abstraction then? |
| 03:02.12 | findlay | I mean, you don't run a reiser or ext3 underneath? |
| 03:02.14 | mhalcrow | It's a realy filesystem, that stacks on top of any arbitrary filesystem and interpolates requests. |
| 03:02.19 | mhalcrow | -y |
| 03:02.22 | findlay | ok |
| 03:02.40 | mhalcrow | Yeah, you run reiser or ext3 underneath. So you can tranfer encrypted files around between any filesystems. |
| 03:02.53 | mhalcrow | You don't need eCryptfs to handle eCryptfs files. |
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| 03:03.00 | mhalcrow | You just need it to decrypt and encrypt them. |
| 03:03.12 | findlay | is it easy to implement? |
| 03:03.18 | sjansen | http://www.livejournal.com/users/publius_ovidius/111672.html |
| 03:03.22 | mhalcrow | Not really. I've been working on it for about a year. |
| 03:04.03 | sjansen | mhalcrow: Sounds great! |
| 03:04.28 | sjansen | ~thank IBM |
| 03:04.28 | ibot | sjansen: de rien |
| 03:04.28 | mhalcrow | sjansen: Yeah, it does sound great. Let's hope it turns out to be as great as it sounds. ;-) |
| 03:04.41 | mhalcrow | OLS asked me to present it again this year. |
| 03:05.24 | findlay | mhalcrow: what other plans do you have with the kernel? |
| 03:05.50 | SpecialK | mhalcrow: So as a Unix luminary, how big of beard do you wear these days? |
| 03:05.54 | mhalcrow | findlay: DRM! :-D |
| 03:06.07 | sjansen | heh |
| 03:06.38 | mhalcrow | I wish I were entirely kidding..... |
| 03:06.46 | mhalcrow | We're actually doing Trusted Computing support. |
| 03:06.57 | mhalcrow | eCryptfs uses a Trusted Platform Module to handle private keys. |
| 03:07.05 | mhalcrow | So I'm using the TPM in a non-evil way. |
| 03:07.23 | sjansen | I was about to say that parts of Trusted Computing look useful. |
| 03:07.26 | mhalcrow | By binding files to hosts. |
| 03:07.46 | mhalcrow | Yup; protecting swap is a key target for TPM. |
| 03:08.00 | SpecialK | what keeps them from doing cleartext copies? |
| 03:08.02 | mhalcrow | SpecialK: I tried growing a beard, but it itched too much. |
| 03:08.12 | mhalcrow | SpecialK: It's not DRM. |
| 03:08.14 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 03:08.14 | findlay | hopefully linux bios comes out for general consumption before the dark days of DRM'd BIOS's, before the empire |
| 03:08.44 | mhalcrow | findlay: It'll take a lot more than that. But I just don't see the nightmare scenario playing out. But I'm still wary. ;-) |
| 03:09.02 | sjansen | The itching goes away. |
| 03:09.10 | mhalcrow | The fat doesn't go away. |
| 03:09.18 | Tene | mhalcrow: if it does play out, am I allowed to blame you? |
| 03:09.24 | sjansen | And it give you something to rub when you're bored... oh, that works too. |
| 03:09.27 | mhalcrow | Tene: Umm..... okay, I guess... |
| 03:09.36 | mhalcrow | Tene: Unless you become an unperson beforehand. |
| 03:09.46 | Tene | unperson? |
| 03:09.54 | mhalcrow | Tene: Read 1984. |
| 03:10.03 | Tene | ahh |
| 03:10.09 | vontrapp | 1984? |
| 03:10.14 | mhalcrow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unperson |
| 03:10.19 | sjansen | And Fahrenheit 451 & Brave New World in the same week. |
| 03:10.27 | sjansen | In the same week. |
| 03:10.32 | mhalcrow | vontrapp: You've lost your privilege to speak for the next two minutes. |
| 03:10.38 | sjansen | That was an interesting week... |
| 03:11.13 | mhalcrow | sjansen: You know what they say. Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you. |
| 03:11.19 | mhalcrow | And you also know the corollary. |
| 03:11.24 | mhalcrow | You can never be too paranoid..... |
| 03:11.38 | findlay | sjansen: at least you didn't read ``Catcher in the Rye'', ``Crime and Punishment'', ``Heart of Darkness'', and ``The Secret Sharer'' as well |
| 03:11.59 | sjansen | Man, that woulda left no time for sleeping. |
| 03:12.09 | mhalcrow | Sleeping? What's that? |
| 03:12.25 | mhalcrow | So I'm writing a Pascal compiler for my compiler class. |
| 03:12.44 | findlay | Pascal was a noted French poet |
| 03:12.45 | sjansen | mhalcrow: You know when you're talking to a co-worker and their eyes glaze over, they stop responding, they start to drool, their eyes close, and their head starts to bob? |
| 03:12.55 | sjansen | That's kinda like sleep. |
| 03:13.06 | mhalcrow | sjansen: Oh; I thought that was normal... |
| 03:13.23 | mhalcrow | One of the students asked him why we are writing a compiler for a dead language. |
| 03:13.28 | sjansen | Most people do consider sleep normal. |
| 03:13.34 | mhalcrow | The professor responded, ``Better a dead language than a dead student.'' |
| 03:13.45 | mhalcrow | Ooooooo... we're getting another Texas thunderstorm.... |
| 03:13.59 | findlay | ~wiki Blaise_Pascal |
| 03:14.14 | mhalcrow | sjansen: You'll just become a bitter vulgar man. |
| 03:14.30 | mhalcrow | SpecialK: Which company? I live in Austin. |
| 03:14.38 | SpecialK | National Instruments |
| 03:14.48 | mhalcrow | That's right across the street from my workplace. |
| 03:14.48 | sjansen | Nah. Texas has all the fun of living in a very religious atmosphere without getting upset at people for thinking they represent your own religion. |
| 03:14.54 | mhalcrow | You're on the Mo-Pac. |
| 03:15.11 | SpecialK | yeah |
| 03:15.18 | sjansen | And the summers are even more mild than Utah. |
| 03:15.22 | mhalcrow | That's literally across the street from IBM.] |
| 03:15.32 | SpecialK | sjansen !?!?!? |
| 03:15.43 | sjansen | I'll get to be one of those lazy people living in the south that North Dakotans talk about. |
| 03:15.58 | mhalcrow | Texas is bigger than France. |
| 03:16.14 | sjansen | SpecialK: You didn't know that having four very distinct season makes you a more productive worker? |
| 03:16.34 | SpecialK | I guess I didn't |
| 03:16.38 | sjansen | Maquis: Utah winters are wonderfully mild. |
| 03:16.52 | Tene | Utah winters are nice. |
| 03:16.57 | Tene | Utah summers are evil. |
| 03:16.58 | mhalcrow | There is no snow in Austin. |
| 03:17.05 | mhalcrow | It is HUMID in Austin too. |
| 03:17.39 | SpecialK | After getting home from my mission in Mississippi, Louisiana and Arkansas, I found the Utah summer mild. |
| 03:17.40 | mhalcrow | Do you know what I don't IRC very often? |
| 03:17.44 | mhalcrow | My wife won't let me. |
| 03:17.49 | mhalcrow | But she's out of town for the weekend. |
| 03:17.53 | sjansen | Because it's an incredible waste of time? |
| 03:17.56 | mhalcrow | I tried organizing a keg party. |
| 03:18.01 | mhalcrow | But nobody wanted to come. |
| 03:18.07 | mhalcrow | So here I am. |
| 03:18.15 | findlay | you're all just afraid of my intellectual supremacy |
| 03:18.27 | mhalcrow | Your superior intellect is no match for my puny weapons!!! |
| 03:18.53 | mhalcrow | In any case, Chris Alvarez wants to throw me in jail. |
| 03:18.54 | findlay | Austrailia is entirely peopled with criminals! |
| 03:19.13 | sjansen | mhalcrow is moving to Australia? |
| 03:19.17 | mhalcrow | :-) |
| 03:19.35 | mhalcrow | There is an LTC in Australia. |
| 03:19.46 | Tene | LTC? |
| 03:20.33 | mhalcrow | ~wiki Australia |
| 03:20.45 | sjansen | Linux Technology Center |
| 03:20.59 | findlay | Rusty works there |
| 03:21.05 | sjansen | IBM also opened on in Campinas, SP, Brasil -- my mission. |
| 03:21.50 | sjansen | I thought about doing a masters of something an Unicamp because of the Linux + Brasil + IBM connection, but decided I just probably wouldn't be able to hack it. |
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| 03:22.42 | SpecialK | You managed to hack your way to a BS. |
| 03:22.59 | sjansen | No, the living in Brasil would be hard to hack. |
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| 03:23.15 | mhalcrow_ | I gotta get a better DSL modem. |
| 03:23.29 | sjansen | I love the people, the language, and the food, but it's still hard. |
| 03:24.30 | sjansen | Went back this summer to visit. Couldn't wait to get back to the good ole' US of A. |
| 03:24.37 | findlay | the largest football stadium in the world is in Brasil, never been sold out, seats 250,000 |
| 03:24.58 | stuporglue | Formerly the largest |
| 03:25.26 | sjansen | So who was the greatest soccer player ever? Pele or that other Colombian wannabe? |
| 03:25.29 | stuporglue | And it has been sold out - they even had to start puting in tighter limits on how many people came because there weren't enough bathrooms. |
| 03:25.50 | mhalcrow_ | Oh, that can get very unpleasant. |
| 03:26.04 | mhalcrow_ | Ever have all three stalls taken up at a very inopportune time? |
| 03:26.15 | sjansen | What is the only country have have won the World Cup four times? |
| 03:26.22 | mhalcrow_ | I mean, what are the chances? |
| 03:26.22 | sjansen | What is the only country have have won the World Cup five times? |
| 03:26.31 | mhalcrow_ | Italy? |
| 03:26.42 | sjansen | Heathen! |
| 03:26.51 | mhalcrow_ | Scusi |
| 03:26.56 | findlay | Djbuti |
| 03:26.59 | stuporglue | Once at a baseball game when I was littler, I couldn't find the bathroom (the hallway went all the way arround the park). So I went in the girls. |
| 03:27.03 | stuporglue | I think I was 12. |
| 03:27.16 | sjansen | Not only is Brasilthe only one to have won 4 times, it's the only one to have one 5. |
| 03:27.20 | mhalcrow_ | One of my co-workers went into the women's bathroom during lunch last week. |
| 03:27.30 | mhalcrow_ | The men's was closed and locked, so he just went into the one that was open. |
| 03:27.45 | sjansen | fair enough |
| 03:27.53 | mhalcrow_ | Then again, in Austin, you can never be too sure who is a man who who is a woman. |
| 03:28.12 | sjansen | And when he came out he went straight management and demaned that the men get a couch too. |
| 03:28.12 | stuporglue | I was in a hurry to pee, so I didn't think anything of it at the moment, but as I was leaving, I realized there hadn't been any urnals...then I was embarrased. |
| 03:29.20 | mhalcrow_ | I flat-out just walked into a woman's restroom once without realizing it. Luckily, nobody was around to see me do it. I just turned around and walked right out without incident. |
| 03:29.28 | mhalcrow_ | :-) |
| 03:29.47 | mhalcrow_ | That is one of those "career-limiting" moves, by the way. |
| 03:30.19 | sjansen | I was chased by an angry mob of women across two county lines and a parish after I walked into women's bathroom. |
| 03:30.48 | mhalcrow_ | Okay, it's time for another episode of Penn and Teller. |
| 03:30.57 | mhalcrow_ | I have 20 minutes on the elliptical tonight. |
| 03:31.08 | stuporglue | My friend has a "Restroom" sign on his apartment door, and the number is missing. The first time I tried to visit him, I looked all over the apt. complex...I was so confused. |
| 03:31.11 | mhalcrow_ | I've got 2 inches to lose. I WILL NOT GET FAT. |
| 03:31.43 | mhalcrow_ | Peace out. ;-) |
| 03:31.48 | sjansen | http://blog.mecworks.com/articles/2005/03/25/microsoft-billboard-truck-at-brainshare-2005/ |
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| 03:38.45 | spr | too much swag! |
| 03:39.05 | spr | if you want |
| 03:39.11 | Maquis | spr: what type? |
| 03:40.11 | spr | Novell branded: fm radio, network cable do-hickey, vmware demo discs, NLD evals, and two hats |
| 03:40.28 | Maquis | you got a hat? |
| 03:40.32 | SpecialK | dibs on a hat! |
| 03:40.46 | spr | hehe. |
| 03:41.04 | Maquis | they were dropping a hat from the blimp this morning, but it got dropped a ways away |
| 03:41.19 | Maquis | we almost got a laser pointer, but the guy in front of us got it instead |
| 03:41.44 | spr | I wanted to get a thumb drive from the blimp |
| 03:42.44 | Maquis | i got a t-shirt and a usb led gooseneck light |
| 03:43.27 | Maquis | one was a prize for getting 10/10 on one of the tests they had... |
| 03:43.50 | Maquis | the other was because i played the racing game so poorly that the guy manning that station felt bad for me |
| 03:43.57 | spr | nice |
| 03:44.03 | Maquis | (that's the only explanation i can think of for that one) |
| 03:44.47 | Maquis | jared and i both got shirts, despite the fact that our badges had already been punched... (they got punched again though) |
| 03:44.56 | Maquis | SpecialK: you laughing at me? |
| 03:45.11 | sjansen | *sigh* |
| 03:45.17 | SpecialK | But I liked those stories |
| 03:45.33 | sjansen | Somedya me spel good |
| 03:50.40 | findlay | Newsome: somebody been stealing your IP (: |
| 03:50.55 | sjansen | Not IP, just work product. |
| 03:51.06 | findlay | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050325210414203 |
| 03:55.38 | sjansen | Right, that's not IP. |
| 03:56.03 | findlay | in the end though, I'm glad there are companies like microsoft who dilligently ensure that we never loose our sense of humor and keep us alert whenever they d\fund the TCO reports, etc. |
| 03:56.09 | spr | and now, to dinner! |
| 03:56.24 | sjansen | However, as PJ points out they payed the fees and did the work -- stolen work product. |
| 03:56.26 | SpecialK | ~praise free pizza |
| 03:56.28 | ibot | All hail free pizza! |
| 03:56.48 | findlay | ~steal SpecialK's free pizza |
| 04:07.35 | Maquis | so, Newsome how does it feel to have your hard work posted on SCO's site? |
| 04:17.02 | Newsome | Yeah, pretty funny how they claim to be such defenders of IP. |
| 04:17.30 | Maquis | Newsome: :) |
| 04:50.59 | findlay | well, I pretty much wasted an entire evening |
| 04:58.07 | findlay | I think they really don't care about the whole business, or whoever was in charge of the FUD campaign, because if they truly cared, they would make sincere effort |
| 04:58.39 | findlay | or maybe they know they don't have a case, and only half attemt to maintain the facade every now and then |
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| 05:04.57 | mheath | Why did I *have* to get a job that's a 1.5 hour bus ride away? |
| 05:05.57 | mheath | Have training at 9:50 tommorrow morning, and I don't know exactly where the bus stop I need is. Plus, theres a bunch of cryptic detour info on the UTA website for this line, not sure if I need to find another stop or what. |
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| 05:10.44 | mheath | I wish I was old enough for a job that doesn't suck... |
| 05:11.19 | mheath | I get to be the annoying guy that walks up to you at Lagoon with large plush animals and tries to get you to waste your money by paying me to let you throw things at other things. |
| 05:12.13 | eco | Oh...hey mheath. It looks like you've found a much less...insulting channel to hang out in :) |
| 05:12.37 | mheath | eco, er, do I know you? |
| 05:12.44 | mheath | I know several IRC channels i found insulting :D |
| 05:12.58 | eco | #ut2600 |
| 05:13.05 | eco | (On EFNet) |
| 05:13.23 | mheath | (And I don't usually vent like this...I'm just pissed off after reading the most boring Employee Handbook in existance) |
| 05:13.29 | mheath | Ah, I remember. |
| 05:14.12 | mheath | Anyone here familar with rideuta.com? |
| 05:14.47 | spr | yeah |
| 05:15.00 | mheath | When they give you Detour information.... |
| 05:15.08 | mheath | And the maps have shaded red areas, notifying you of detours... |
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| 05:15.24 | mheath | Are the routes in those shaded red areas updated for the detours? Or is it merely informing be that there is a detour in that area? |
| 05:17.02 | mheath | http://www.rideuta.com/schedulesAndMaps/routeSchedules/routeMapImage.aspx?abbreviation=612&signup=48 for example |
| 05:17.18 | mheath | Is it just informing me of a detour, or has the map been adjusted for the detour? |
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| 05:44.05 | spr | d'oh, missed his question |
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| 06:20.51 | findlay | OK, I've just had such a fantastic adventure that I probably won't be able to tell anybody the details for at least about a year (: |
| 06:21.23 | findlay | I flatter myself, I'm terribly clever (: |
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| 06:45.04 | vontrapp_ | what kind of adventure? |
| 06:46.33 | findlay | well, due to my inane laziness, this afternoon and it being spring break next week, I procrastinated walking over to campus to get my books from my instrument locker |
| 06:46.56 | findlay | and by the time I finally got around to doing it, the building had already beeen locked up |
| 06:48.05 | findlay | so, I began reasoning with myself that there must be some entranceway to the underground utility tunnel from a HVAC area by any one of the buildings on campus |
| 06:48.54 | findlay | fortunately, I already knew of one behind the science building with a stairway down and a door to the tunnel |
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| 06:49.33 | findlay | from there I turned on the lights, walked the length of campus, arrived at the boiler room in the fine arts building and got to my locker |
| 06:50.56 | findlay | the tricky part was that I didn't want to pack my book laden bag all the way back out and over the 12' high HVAC wall, so I carefully deposited it in a dark corner outside and retreated the way I came without it |
| 06:51.07 | findlay | so there |
| 06:51.16 | findlay | I got my books anyway, ha |
| 06:52.58 | LeviHome | Heh. |
| 06:53.27 | LeviHome | Nice security they've got there. |
| 06:54.55 | findlay | yeah, I imagined that they would be able to detect me inside the building with motion sensors, but if anyone was paying attention, they probably would have assumed it was the janitor because that's when they usually are in there |
| 06:56.00 | findlay | and I doubt most people would have had the gumption to scale a 12 foot wall just for a bunch of textbooks the weekend before spring break (: |
| 06:56.06 | LeviHome | I ate waaaaay too much brownie and ice cream. |
| 06:56.15 | LeviHome | How did you manage the 12' wall? |
| 06:58.32 | findlay | on the outside it's about 5 feet, on the inside, down where the big thermodynamic HVAC units are there was a convenient ledge and a sturdy electrical box |
| 07:03.49 | LeviHome | Heh, nice. |
| 07:04.00 | LeviHome | Well, it's time for me to get to bed. |
| 07:09.46 | vontrapp_ | why did you have to go out the way you came in? |
| 07:10.19 | findlay | because there wasn't a light switch at the other end |
| 07:10.35 | vontrapp_ | i see |
| 07:10.45 | vontrapp_ | sounds like a grand adventure |
| 07:10.47 | vontrapp_ | wish i were there |
| 07:10.55 | findlay | lol |
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| 08:11.44 | Newsome | Looks like our semi-annual big explosion on the UUG |
| 08:11.54 | Maquis | Newsome: talk about big explosion |
| 08:12.02 | mheath | Eh? |
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| 08:12.36 | Newsome | It's been a while since we had so many heated discussions! |
| 08:13.32 | SpecialK | Well, technically it's spring, but it's cold outside. |
| 08:13.35 | Newsome | I like when Sasha weighs in on things. He always has interesting things to say |
| 08:13.56 | SpecialK | Some people need to lighten up |
| 08:14.45 | mheath | Forward it to me. I don't get enough e-mail :D |
| 08:14.56 | Maquis | mheath: you don't want this |
| 08:14.57 | Maquis | trust me |
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| 08:15.09 | Newsome | it's all quiet for a long time then, BOOM! ACLU, Closed Source v. Open Source, finally kicking Halcrow! All at once! |
| 08:15.18 | SpecialK | Newsome: Speaking of which, what happened to the cs network yesterday? |
| 08:15.28 | Maquis | SpecialK: server maintenance |
| 08:15.29 | mheath | Serious request, though: |
| 08:15.32 | Maquis | (right?) |
| 08:15.56 | Newsome | The network card in the server went flaky |
| 08:16.16 | Maquis | ah... so not normal server maintenance... |
| 08:16.19 | Maquis | that's interesting |
| 08:16.20 | Newsome | up for a minute, down for a while |
| 08:16.25 | Maquis | i had just heard "server maintenance" |
| 08:16.27 | mheath | If anyone here has any input on what makes a good linux package manager (What they find lacking/missing from their current thing, like RPM, Deb, etc, what they want improved), I'd like you to e-mail me my sugggestions. |
| 08:16.28 | Newsome | not normal server maintenance |
| 08:16.43 | Maquis | ick |
| 08:16.44 | mheath | er |
| 08:16.50 | mheath | *e-mail me any suggestions |
| 08:16.54 | Newsome | But since it was down, I upgraded from RHEL 3 to RHEL 4. |
| 08:16.56 | Maquis | mheath: i like portage |
| 08:17.05 | Maquis | ooh... that's interesting |
| 08:17.08 | SpecialK | mheath: Tell me what I want to hear? |
| 08:17.11 | Maquis | ok... |
| 08:17.25 | mheath | SpecialK: huh? |
| 08:17.26 | Maquis | gnight all |
| 08:17.34 | Newsome | The 2.4.x kernel dealt differently with the network hardware problems, only dying every couple weeks. |
| 08:17.38 | SpecialK | the way it came out. |
| 08:17.47 | mheath | Oh, hahahah. |
| 08:18.17 | Newsome | The 2.6.x kernel had more problems with the flakey hardware. |
| 08:18.19 | mheath | (Sorry, I'm having trouble sleeping...usually sound asleep at this time, and therefore am very tired..my minds not up to speed) |
| 08:18.37 | Newsome | So, we needed to fix a lot (replace the netcard, etc.) |
| 08:19.09 | mheath | Wow, what is it with network cards going bad? I've known 5 server admins in the last week who have had network cards in their servers go bad |
| 08:19.48 | Newsome | must've been the dork who stripped back the ends of the network cable, and shoved them into the wall socket :) |
| 08:20.54 | SpecialK | RJ45 isn't exactly amenable to such a hack. |
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| 08:22.58 | Newsome | http://www.fiftythree.org/etherkiller/ |
| 08:23.34 | mheath | Agh. I miscalculated the bus times..... |
| 08:23.47 | mheath | I'm going to have to get a ride down to the bus stop tomorrow |
| 08:23.58 | SpecialK | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.11 | mheath | Nothing close to me runs early enough to get me to that bus stop. |
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| 08:47.05 | findlay | finally kicking Halcrow, what? |
| 08:47.30 | findlay | did the UUG come up with a provision just to deal with Halcrow? |
| 08:49.20 | statik | What/who is halcrow? |
| 08:49.58 | findlay | the one and only paramount idol to which all hackers aspire |
| 08:50.30 | Newsome | RMS wanna-be |
| 08:51.00 | findlay | (: |
| 08:56.20 | statik | findlay, sorta like 'crash override'? |
| 08:56.26 | findlay | soon you'll hear terms like ``that iterated loop is very Halcrow-esque'' or ``this is a Halcrow device for collecting system incormation on hardware symbiosis'' and ``this Halcrow sort converges any infinite loop on a hyper map with a finite covering'' |
| 08:56.43 | crashOverride | yay! im a hax0r |
| 08:57.03 | crashOverride | why do3snt /hack <dudezname> work? |
| 08:57.28 | findlay | doesn't work on the night of a full moon |
| 08:57.45 | findlay | besides, the proximity of Jupiter tonight is very troubling |
| 08:58.13 | statik | I never thought of that. |
| 08:58.42 | findlay | I'm never eating frozen pizza again |
| 08:59.01 | statik | your not supposed to eat it frozen |
| 09:00.24 | findlay | in either state it must be just as disgusting |
| 09:01.15 | statik | Add stuff to it; whatever is in the fridge. |
| 09:01.22 | statik | Lettus, yogard, A1 |
| 09:01.25 | statik | Its all gooooood. |
| 09:01.42 | statik | I cant believe I just spelled lettuce the way I did |
| 09:01.52 | statik | letuss |
| 09:01.56 | statik | lituz |
| 09:02.18 | statik | i feel ya |
| 09:11.02 | statik | Anyone here found a good IDS for openBSD? |
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| 10:37.47 | goozbach | statik: snort |
| 10:38.06 | goozbach | and tripwire for the host side |
| 10:54.30 | statik | Snort is ok.. its for those who collect garbage in my opinion and tripwire is worse.. Anything other than those two? |
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| 11:06.28 | ZzSTATIKzZ | nigth guys |
| 11:06.35 | ZzSTATIKzZ | night, even |
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| 14:52.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know of a quick and dirty way to generate a DTD for an xml document? |
| 15:28.54 | stuporglue | Does anyone have any advice in choosing between CVS and subversion? A friend and I are going to work on a couple projects together this summer, so I think one of these would be usefull. |
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| 16:09.50 | tensai | stuporglue: I'm a subversion convert. I like being able to version control directories. Setting up mod_svn isn't bad. Svn on the local filesystem is just like CVS. |
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| 16:17.53 | stuporglue | tensai: is the maintanence for either very high? I've never used either, and would prefer something that is easier to setup for the first time arround. |
| 16:18.41 | tensai | there's a small amount of startup maintanence for either. I'd say they're about the same. |
| 16:19.48 | tensai | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ is an invaluable resource |
| 16:20.09 | stuporglue | One last question then: Which one will be more valuable to know for the workplace - I want to learn both, but is one of them more used? |
| 16:20.33 | stuporglue | I've been looking at svnbook.red-bean a bit this morning already |
| 16:22.50 | tensai | CVS is far more common. Svn is meant to be a replacement for cvs so it naturally shares a lot of semantics. Learn one and the other is easy to pick up. |
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| 16:39.54 | stuporglue | tenai: thanks |
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| 17:19.21 | bonez39 | I need to find an email I sent out a few days ago, using 'mail' at the command prompt...are such items stored anywhere |
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| 19:00.38 | statik | I love working saturdays! |
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| 19:45.38 | asynic | tensai, I think I got it working |
| 19:45.55 | asynic | hotadding the first drive now |
| 19:50.56 | Maquis | hmmm... we've got asynic, synic, and usynic ..... |
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| 19:52.11 | asynic | I have multiple personalities |
| 19:52.29 | asynic | they're all computer nerds. |
| 19:54.09 | Mecworks | Maquis, I was at brainshare every day and only came home to power-cycle my DLS modem...oh, and do laundry. |
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| 20:08.58 | Tene | Mecworks: you should have just called the power company and convinced them to power-cycle your neighborhood. |
| 20:09.07 | Maquis | Mecworks: i might've seen you on friday... not certain though |
| 20:10.03 | Mecworks | Oh, cool. I was in the Developer Den for most of Friday. Although I was about here and there... |
| 20:10.22 | Mecworks | Tene, Ha! That would have worked... 8^) |
| 20:10.42 | Maquis | Mecworks: yeah... i was in the developer den for a bit friday |
| 20:10.56 | Mecworks | I wish I had pictures.... http://blog.mecworks.com/articles/2005/03/25/microsoft-billboard-truck-at-brainshare-2005/ |
| 20:11.03 | Maquis | :) |
| 20:11.18 | Mecworks | Maquis, cool! Did you get one of thoes remote-control cars? |
| 20:12.24 | Mecworks | It really sucked doing a low-carb thing while standing next to fresh baked cookies through the week... 8^( |
| 20:13.02 | Maquis | Mecworks: nope |
| 20:13.14 | Maquis | i got a usb light... |
| 20:13.31 | Maquis | the guy in charge of the games felt sorry for me because i was doing so poorly, so he gave me a prize |
| 20:13.34 | Maquis | :) |
| 20:13.44 | Maquis | then i got a shirt at the test area... |
| 20:33.05 | tensai | synic: that's great. once you can boot into the raided version you're pretty much guaranteed success. |
| 20:33.19 | tensai | er, asynic rather |
| 20:34.55 | asynic | tensai, ack, bunch of 999s when trying to load lilo |
| 20:35.00 | asynic | the mirror created successfully |
| 20:39.13 | tensai | 999? |
| 20:41.02 | asynic | yup. |
| 20:41.54 | asynic | wait, I think I fixed it |
| 20:42.17 | tensai | Maquis: the pilot light? |
| 20:42.21 | asynic | Maquis, lol, awesome |
| 20:42.44 | Maquis | tensai: well, it makes a clicking noise, like it's trying to get a spark or something, but nothing happens |
| 20:42.59 | Maquis | we can get one of the burners to light, but the other 3 just start spewing gas when we try to turn them on |
| 20:43.00 | asynic | hrmm, I was able to boot into it, but only one of the devices came up |
| 20:43.03 | tensai | if the pilot light is out your stove could be leaking gas into apartment, at which point lighting a paper towel is a Bad Idea(tm) |
| 20:43.18 | Maquis | so, my roommate decided to light a paper towel on the one that started, and then light the others using that |
| 20:43.22 | Maquis | almost started a fire... |
| 20:43.51 | tensai | clearly not someone who has started a lot of fires. there's a reason matches are made out of wood and not paper towels |
| 20:43.56 | Maquis | (she was standing there with the flaming paper towel, commenting "ok.. how do i put this out?" to which i turned on the sink for her and suggested that she might want to put it there.... |
| 20:44.01 | Maquis | ) |
| 20:44.15 | Maquis | tensai: what's that reason? slower burning? |
| 20:44.21 | Maquis | the fact that it doesn't flop around? |
| 20:44.28 | tensai | asynic: can you raidstart the others? |
| 20:44.45 | asynic | lemme see |
| 20:44.55 | Maquis | (she was holding it (for some odd reason) so that the flame was down, and she was holdign it from above... i got after her about that... |
| 20:45.04 | tensai | Maquis: both of those are good reasons. yeah, a fire will very quickly envelope the who paper towel |
| 20:45.14 | Maquis | yeah |
| 20:45.21 | tensai | s/who/whole/ |
| 20:45.23 | Maquis | i dunno though... |
| 20:45.41 | Maquis | if we mention this to maintenance, they might make it a priority to come and fix our burners... |
| 20:46.12 | tensai | if it makes a clicking sound, it's probably just a spark lighter which isn't the same as a pilot light. you shouldn't be in danger just from that. |
| 20:46.21 | tensai | waving flaming items around, otoh |
| 20:46.39 | Maquis | yeah... but it seems to be sending out gas at the same timethat it uses the spark lighter... |
| 20:46.55 | asynic | tensai, I'm actually using mdadm |
| 20:47.03 | Maquis | which seems like it could potentially cause a problem |
| 20:47.09 | Maquis | our whole kitchen smells like gas |
| 20:47.42 | tensai | I would definitely file a service request on that one. soon. |
| 20:47.47 | Maquis | yeah |
| 20:48.11 | Maquis | actually, our kitchen smells rather like our heater closet occasionally does (we reported that multiple times, and they ignored it) |
| 20:48.16 | Tene | include "Roommates incompetent. I fear for my life." on the request. |
| 20:49.02 | tensai | tell them the fumes make you consider wearing short skirts and watching R rated movies |
| 20:49.10 | tensai | they fix it up in a jiffie |
| 20:49.13 | Maquis | tensai: haha :) |
| 20:50.08 | tensai | asynic: I'm not as familiar with mdadm |
| 20:50.19 | asynic | tensai, the sarge installer wouldn't install raidtools2 |
| 20:50.31 | asynic | but everything was pretty much the same |
| 20:51.03 | tensai | yeah, I learned that today too. raidtools2 doesn't exist in testing. |
| 20:51.22 | tensai | I don't think mdadm uses /etc/raidtab |
| 20:51.33 | asynic | yeah, it's /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 20:51.38 | asynic | syntax is different |
| 20:51.49 | asynic | I would have gone with woody, but it doesn't support eepro1000 |
| 20:52.22 | tensai | ah, the cry of the debian user. "I wish they would release already!" |
| 20:53.05 | tensai | so many things in testing that I would love to use but I just can't justify installing an unreleased distro for |
| 20:54.37 | asynic | oh woot, got it |
| 20:54.43 | asynic | I think |
| 20:54.51 | asynic | it's rebuilding all the changes it didn't have... |
| 20:55.16 | asynic | mental note: creating a 160GB mirror takes forever |
| 21:03.49 | asynic | heh, I just saw some random server here in the xmission data center eject a CD |
| 21:04.02 | asynic | oh, it went back in |
| 21:04.11 | asynic | back out again |
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| 21:04.19 | Tene | hehe |
| 21:05.07 | asynic | and back in |
| 21:05.14 | asynic | I wonder what they are doing |
| 21:06.19 | tensai | 160GB, yeah that'll take a while |
| 21:09.42 | Maquis | asynic: it's hungry |
| 21:12.14 | Maquis | that's interesting |
| 21:12.44 | Maquis | i had an iCal file that i imported into sunbird that was supposed to have all the major holidays forthis year |
| 21:12.50 | Maquis | it forgot about easter, though |
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| 21:35.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Maquis: don't let them blow up the house (your roommates) |
| 21:51.17 | asynic | d'oh |
| 22:02.38 | asynic | tensai, I think it thinks the second drive is a spair - that's why it doesn't come up |
| 22:03.21 | Maquis | Lone_Wanderer: i'm crossing my fingers... i can see them doing something like that |
| 22:05.00 | tensai | asynic: what does /proc/mdstat say? |
| 22:05.18 | asynic | it says rebuilding again... |
| 22:05.24 | asynic | when I rebooted it didn't come up at boot |
| 22:07.20 | tensai | when mdadm installed, did you tell it to automatically start raid devices at boot? |
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| 23:11.18 | scott | new thinkpad just arrived. now I have to decide whether to put ubuntu or gentoo on it. (running gnome 2.10 livecd atm) |
| 23:19.35 | usynic | ubuntu! |
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| 23:19.43 | usynic | scott, which thinkpad? |
| 23:20.22 | scott | t40 |
| 23:21.28 | scott | the problem with ubuntu is it doesn't have the latest stuff. like I think mono in hoary is pretty old |
| 23:21.33 | scott | so I'd have to compile a lot myself |
| 23:21.49 | scott | whereas gentoo I have to compile it anyway, but it's easier I think |
| 23:22.26 | statik | I like the sound of gentoo more than ubuntu; thats a good reason to go with it. |
| 23:23.19 | statik | Debian sounds kinda cool. |
| 23:23.37 | statik | Not quite as much though. |
| 23:24.02 | scott | but I want something that will magically do everything for me |
| 23:24.49 | bytheway | scott: I have the same complaints about ubuntu |
| 23:25.08 | bytheway | Ruby 1.8.2 final was released in early january, but isn't a part of hoary |
| 23:26.26 | bytheway | the distro that has come the closes to what I want was archlinux. Unfortunately, when I used it the packages were so badly tested that i was afraid to ever update |
| 23:26.40 | bytheway | things broke all the time |
| 23:26.49 | usynic | scott, gentoo takes too long :) |
| 23:26.57 | scott | statik, dumbest sounding name of all: fedora |
| 23:27.09 | bytheway | I think archlinux is much better at not breaking things now |
| 23:27.28 | scott | usynic, to compile? |
| 23:27.38 | usynic | to install anything. |
| 23:27.59 | scott | yeah, good point. |
| 23:28.09 | usynic | scott, you might consider archlinux |
| 23:28.12 | usynic | it's what I have on my thinkpad |
| 23:28.29 | scott | never heard much of it |
| 23:28.36 | bytheway | I'm running hoary right now (kde 3.4) annd considering switching back to archlinux |
| 23:28.36 | statik | heh.. |
| 23:28.41 | statik | actually, redhat |
| 23:28.44 | statik | that sounds lame.. |
| 23:28.47 | statik | or lindows |
| 23:28.52 | statik | I mean really now.. |
| 23:28.54 | statik | lindows |
| 23:28.54 | usynic | archlinux is like a cross between gentoo and debian |
| 23:29.01 | statik | not in the way it sounds |
| 23:29.04 | usynic | it's a binary package manager, but really up-to-date |
| 23:29.14 | usynic | I had gnome 2.10 installed before it was even released |
| 23:29.23 | scott | does it have beagle packages? |
| 23:29.37 | scott | check version too |
| 23:29.48 | usynic | no beagle. |
| 23:29.52 | scott | hmm |
| 23:30.00 | usynic | might be in one of the turs, one sec |
| 23:30.03 | bytheway | nice thing is with pacman its extremely easy to make your own packages |
| 23:30.04 | scott | and archlinux.org doesn't come up |
| 23:30.18 | usynic | nope. |
| 23:30.28 | usynic | scott, came up for me |
| 23:30.30 | bytheway | so even if you end up installing a lot from source, you can put things under the package manager |
| 23:30.38 | usynic | also, pacman -S kde installs via binary |
| 23:30.42 | scott | bytheway, the reason for me using packages it to not have to compile them, and if I make packages I have to compile them anyway :) |
| 23:30.45 | usynic | srcpac -S kde installs via source |
| 23:31.00 | scott | yeah, I guess that's a benefit for removal |
| 23:31.05 | bytheway | scott: I know what you mean |
| 23:31.11 | scott | but doesn't make uninstall do that? |
| 23:31.17 | usynic | not always |
| 23:32.04 | scott | does archlinux have good hardware support? I've never done any of the power management stuff and I'm hoping for something that will just work |
| 23:32.21 | usynic | unfortunately I had to set it up manually. |
| 23:32.28 | usynic | but I have suspend to disk and hibernate both working |
| 23:33.15 | scott | I've never had a laptop before. what's the benefit/difference between suspend to disk and to ram? besides the obvious.. |
| 23:33.30 | usynic | suspend to ram runs your battery down |
| 23:33.32 | scott | and what's the diff between ACPI and that other thing, ADM or something? |
| 23:33.41 | usynic | your laptop uses acpi |
| 23:33.44 | usynic | apm is older |
| 23:33.56 | scott | does suspend to disk take longer to recover from? |
| 23:34.03 | scott | btw, what thinkpad do you have? |
| 23:34.04 | usynic | yup. |
| 23:34.06 | statik | They both suck.. |
| 23:34.09 | usynic | I have a t23 |
| 23:35.26 | scott | does archlinux use apt-get? |
| 23:35.35 | usynic | no |
| 23:35.48 | usynic | it uses pacman, which is similar to apt |
| 23:36.51 | scott | hmm, so many choices |
| 23:37.05 | Maquis | LFS :) |
| 23:38.30 | statik | Maquis, w0rd |
| 23:38.40 | Maquis | ???? |
| 23:38.49 | statik | LFS |
| 23:38.52 | statik | R0xors |
| 23:38.57 | Maquis | haha |
| 23:39.11 | Maquis | do you use it? |
| 23:40.13 | statik | Havent in a while, but its one of my favorites that no one appreciates. |
| 23:40.18 | Maquis | i've never used it, but it looks like the next step past gentoo |
| 23:40.21 | statik | That and sourcemage. |
| 23:41.30 | Maquis | sourcemage, eh? |
| 23:41.40 | statik | Maquis, it is.. I mean gentoo can be a bitch, but this one takes it that much farther. Its still doable by your everyday linux user. |
| 23:41.41 | statik | Yeah.. |
| 23:41.52 | statik | Well, I mean.. |
| 23:41.57 | statik | And thats debatable. |
| 23:43.20 | Maquis | ??? |
| 23:43.46 | statik | I think most people could do it, they just dont want to learn it or they feel like it would take a genius so they give up. |
| 23:43.58 | Maquis | :) |
| 23:44.15 | usynic | tensai, what did you put as ROOT in your /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 23:44.22 | usynic | er.. boot= |
| 23:44.23 | Maquis | is it much harder than gentoo? |
| 23:44.56 | statik | Maquis, yes and no. Gentoo has automated some things and tools are already available to help you through the install. LFS is really what the name implies. |
| 23:45.02 | statik | Or at least it used to be. |
| 23:45.06 | statik | Again, I havent touched it in a while. |
| 23:45.13 | Maquis | that's cool :) |
| 23:45.15 | statik | I mess with openbsd and openvms now. |
| 23:45.30 | statik | And Mac, at work. |
| 23:45.40 | Maquis | cool |
| 23:45.43 | usynic | openbsd is grooy because it only takes one floppy to install it :) |
| 23:45.54 | statik | yeah, well the net installs. |
| 23:46.02 | usynic | that's all I ever did |
| 23:46.08 | statik | Most people do it that way. |
| 23:46.10 | usynic | I had it on a p200 that wouldn't boot from a CD |
| 23:46.12 | scott | usynic, but lame because no one has floppies anymore :) |
| 23:46.13 | statik | It rocks though eh? |
| 23:46.29 | usynic | there were things I liked and things I didn't. |
| 23:46.39 | statik | What didnt you like? |
| 23:46.45 | usynic | well, it's slow. |
| 23:46.51 | statik | ... |
| 23:46.57 | statik | I disagree, but go on. |
| 23:47.08 | usynic | no, it's documented - it's slower |
| 23:47.13 | usynic | ask around |
| 23:47.48 | usynic | installing packages that aren't in ports is kind of a pain |
| 23:47.56 | usynic | (but not too bad) |
| 23:48.06 | usynic | that's about it. |
| 23:48.20 | statik | I dont need to ask around, I use it... I know how it performs and really saying its slow is kinda relative. |
| 23:48.39 | statik | I agree with teh ports comment |
| 23:48.49 | usynic | oh, and part of it was just the machine it was on |
| 23:49.03 | usynic | installing anything using ports on a p200 is no fun |
| 23:49.04 | statik | Over all though, I have a biased view on obsd, so its not really fair for me to argue with anyone over it :P |
| 23:49.58 | usynic | http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ |
| 23:50.49 | usynic | the things I liked: ability to install with one floppy. Compiling a new kernel is easier than it is on linux |
| 23:50.51 | statik | Like I said.. its relative.. |
| 23:50.58 | usynic | tripwire is all set up and ready to go out of the box |
| 23:51.07 | statik | This is one mans test using a set environment. |
| 23:51.22 | statik | usynic, which I dont agree with (tripwire) |
| 23:51.31 | statik | I dont like that at all. |
| 23:51.36 | usynic | statik, ask in the openbsd channel. I'll bet you're surprised |
| 23:51.57 | statik | Nah, I wont be.. I have heard it before. I just dont think that its all that slow. |
| 23:52.07 | statik | It may be slower than some others but its not slow. |
| 23:52.09 | usynic | try running it on a p200 :) |
| 23:52.15 | statik | that I have never done... |
| 23:52.24 | Maquis | everything's gonna be slow on a p200 |
| 23:52.26 | statik | But the same could be said for something like gentoo |
| 23:52.29 | statik | or debian. |
| 23:52.31 | statik | Or hell.. |
| 23:52.32 | usynic | debian is pretty speedy on it |
| 23:52.34 | statik | mdk and redhat. |
| 23:52.49 | usynic | but it was a pain to install |
| 23:52.52 | statik | :P |
| 23:52.53 | usynic | was like 6 floppies |
| 23:52.55 | statik | Drawbacks. |
| 23:53.03 | statik | I am talking newer versions.. |
| 23:53.22 | usynic | I was using 3.2 - what's it at now? 3.4 ? |
| 23:53.33 | statik | openbsd is at 3.7 |
| 23:53.43 | statik | 3.2 is like 2 years old |
| 23:53.52 | statik | I am guessing. |
| 23:53.55 | statik | I wasnt into it then |
| 23:54.27 | usynic | wow. |
| 23:54.44 | usynic | I've been out of the loop, hehe |
| 23:55.22 | usynic | so what do you like about it? |
| 23:55.32 | usynic | as opposed to freebsd or linux? |
| 23:55.50 | Maquis | yay! it can mount! |
| 23:56.45 | statik | well a couple things. |
| 23:56.56 | statik | I love the fact that you cant bof the obsd os. |
| 23:57.00 | statik | That fucking rules.. |
| 23:57.11 | statik | Dynamic memory addressing and allocation |
| 23:57.17 | statik | or something like that. |
| 23:57.26 | statik | I cant remember exactly* how it works.. but its cool stuff. |
| 23:59.57 | scott | is there a way to dualboot linux and windows on the same drive w/o creating a seperate boot partition? |
