| 00:00.27 | tensai | bleh, Eudora |
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| 00:40.14 | synic | anyone know anything about debian + software raid |
| 00:40.15 | synic | ? |
| 00:40.53 | hans | synic: I do |
| 00:41.12 | synic | does the debian installer support software raid |
| 00:41.21 | synic | and if so, are there partitions I have to leave non-raid? |
| 00:41.49 | synic | IE, ubuntu requires the root partition to be non-raid |
| 00:44.50 | goozbach | http://www.nypost.com/gossip/42707.htm |
| 00:45.01 | goozbach | spock's a pervert! |
| 00:45.03 | goozbach | sfw |
| 00:46.01 | hans | synic: it does but it's not pretty. I recommend you don't do it. |
| 00:46.09 | synic | hrmm. |
| 00:46.38 | hans | set up the raid after installation |
| 00:46.55 | hans | you can raid root, but it's probably not worth the effort |
| 00:46.58 | synic | but if I do, do I have to leave any partitions non-raid? |
| 00:47.11 | hans | but if you feel it is, then yes you can raid root. |
| 00:47.15 | hans | just not easy |
| 00:47.26 | fungus | He isn't a pervert, he is promoting self-esteem amongst over-weight people, as well as creating art. |
| 00:48.04 | synic | hans: the question is it worth installing debian if one of the drives fails |
| 00:48.19 | synic | er, re-installing |
| 00:49.18 | hans | right. and if you raid or backup all your data and configurations, what is the answer? |
| 00:49.45 | synic | well, if I raid everything, I won't have to reinstall anything |
| 00:50.18 | synic | does it have to be root, or can it be boot that's left non-raid? |
| 00:50.37 | hans | root |
| 00:50.57 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.12 | hans | it's init that we're concerned with here. |
| 00:51.44 | synic | hrmm, something like the modules won't be loaded to start the array ? |
| 00:52.36 | synic | (that /is/ supported, unlike the one we have) |
| 00:53.04 | hans | right, unless you use an initrd |
| 00:53.44 | synic | what are the drawbacks of an initrd? |
| 00:54.19 | Bradipo | Making modifications to the initrd. |
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| 01:04.29 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 01:13.40 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 01:13.56 | SpecialK | ~lart BYU CS Servers |
| 01:14.12 | SpecialK | wait, no, I needed those |
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| 01:24.28 | levi | That was an appropriate lart. |
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| 01:29.16 | bonez41 | sjansen, quick question about email: in windows. if you click on an email addy, it fires up OE and one composes an email...in linux...does something similar happen? and if so...what determines whether it will default to mail, mutt, thunderbird, or some other mail client? |
| 01:29.47 | sjansen | something similar can happen if you're system has been correctly configured |
| 01:29.54 | sjansen | what launches it depends on where you click |
| 01:30.18 | sjansen | you're probably just talking about in the browser |
| 01:30.25 | bonez41 | well, I have a database, sugarcrm..and I clicked on an email within it..and my system tried to launch evolution, which I have removed.... |
| 01:30.52 | bonez41 | not in a browser....well, ok sugarcrm launches from firefox..... |
| 01:31.48 | sjansen | sugarcrm is a Web based app |
| 01:32.05 | bonez41 | sjansen, yes, it is...... |
| 01:32.08 | bonez41 | have you run it? |
| 01:32.21 | sjansen | looked at it, not really used it |
| 01:33.43 | sjansen | not finding it yet |
| 01:36.14 | sjansen | Okay, I'm going to take a chance and make a shot in the dark. |
| 01:36.43 | sjansen | Do you have a System > Preferences > Preferred Applications? |
| 01:41.45 | bonez41 | hmmm no...on debian, 3.0.... |
| 01:42.14 | bonez41 | I found it though......preferred applications....opening just now |
| 01:42.53 | SpecialK | ~lart CS sysadmins |
| 01:43.15 | bonez41 | that's is.yes..thanks... |
| 01:45.35 | Bradipo | http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=chili+finger+Wendy%27s&btnG=Search+News |
| 01:45.54 | Bradipo | Hope I don't spoil your appetites... |
| 01:47.58 | jakea | Question of the night: if I had the NIS server and clients all on the same switch and the connection to the outside world to that switch went down, would the NIS clients still talk to the NIS server? (all static IPs) |
| 02:01.12 | sjansen | should be able to |
| 02:01.34 | sjansen | Although do you really want to use NIS? Might want to look at LDAP instead. |
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| 02:14.33 | Maquis | Bradipo: ick!!! |
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| 02:27.16 | SpecialK_ | And CS is up! |
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| 02:36.27 | Maquis | ~lart Vale |
| 02:36.34 | Maquis | that was boring |
| 02:36.39 | Maquis | ~lart Vale |
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| 02:44.45 | Maquis | ~logs |
| 02:44.46 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 03:29.03 | tensai | ~lart ibot |
| 03:35.10 | Maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 03:37.44 | tensai | my tummy really hurts |
| 03:47.47 | Maquis | tensai: TMI :) |
| 03:48.41 | tensai | well, I took the laptop with me. I /could/ have given you a play by play. Consider yourself lucky. |
| 03:50.15 | Maquis | tensai: thank you ? |
| 04:21.46 | tensai | Jayce^: ping |
| 04:26.32 | Maquis | Jayce^: pong |
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| 04:30.40 | dataw0lf- | Hail fellow dorks. |
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| 04:46.06 | SpecialK | ~lart BYU CS Servers and Sysadmins once more for good measure |
| 04:46.28 | SpecialK | ibot knows the truth! |
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| 06:00.00 | LeviHome | Yo, fozz. |
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| 06:18.12 | findlay | hi |
| 06:18.55 | fishyfire | howdy |
| 06:19.48 | LeviHome | Yo. |
| 06:25.09 | findlay | ibot: hi |
| 06:25.12 | ibot | hello, findlay |
| 06:27.17 | Tene | ibot: high? |
| 06:27.18 | ibot | howghdy |
| 06:27.36 | tensai | lol |
| 06:28.04 | findlay | darn, sjansen isn't here for me to get into a fake intellectual debate with |
| 06:37.52 | LeviHome | What sort of a fake intellectual debate? |
| 06:39.31 | findlay | I don't know whatever chances to come along |
| 06:39.46 | findlay | right now I'm wondering about why girls have to be so wierd |
| 06:39.57 | fishyfire | what do you mean? |
| 06:40.34 | findlay | and then sjansen would say ``whatever'' or something, and then I would say ``yu-huh'', etc. |
| 06:41.00 | findlay | hmm, doesn't sound too intellectual |
| 06:41.19 | findlay | how about, why are girls not documented? |
| 06:41.46 | LeviHome | Because they are not documentable. |
| 06:41.58 | findlay | they can't be figured out |
| 06:41.59 | fishyfire | not documented? what did you want to look up in the document? |
| 06:42.19 | LeviHome | They exhibit nondeterministic behavior. |
| 06:43.21 | findlay | there's something about the female paradigm that is truly perplexing, almost as if it were unknowable |
| 06:43.30 | fishyfire | what would you look up if there was a document? |
| 06:43.56 | Tene | elaborate, findlay. |
| 06:46.26 | findlay | I'm just weary of dealing with girls and their seemingly trite remonstrances |
| 06:46.42 | Tene | such as? |
| 06:47.35 | findlay | getting emotionally involved with any girl seems way too exhausting. I don't ever want to get married |
| 06:48.15 | Tene | that seems true for many girls I meet, but I'm pretty satisfied with mine. |
| 06:48.17 | findlay | give me number theory or functional analysis and I'll be happy (: |
| 06:48.57 | fishyfire | was there something some girl has done recently? |
| 06:52.31 | findlay | well, I'm just bothered when people are dishonest with their feelings |
| 06:52.45 | Tene | agreed |
| 06:52.52 | Tene | I quite dislike that. |
| 06:52.55 | fishyfire | makes complete sense |
| 06:54.56 | findlay | not always just too promiscuous, but sometimes too vindictive to conceal some kind of personal hurt or disillusionment |
| 06:58.11 | fishyfire | so you want them to act normal and not go all crazy over dumb things? |
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| 07:01.45 | findlay | basically, I wish I had the good sense to know what to say to mitigate or make exposition and avoid any kind of painful misunderstanding, because it shouldn't be necessary |
| 07:01.48 | findlay | I guess |
| 07:02.06 | findlay | can't expect too much from a geek |
| 07:03.43 | fishyfire | ~lart dumb situations |
| 07:04.15 | Tene | I've found that people in general are just stupid like that. |
| 07:04.19 | Tene | most of 'em |
| 07:04.48 | Tene | so I don't spend my time on the borken ones, and just find the good ones that I can get along with and have valuable friendships with. |
| 07:05.07 | Tene | 'cause they're out there. |
| 07:05.23 | findlay | that's a good philosophy |
| 07:05.49 | fishyfire | yep |
| 07:07.39 | findlay | thanks for talking |
| 07:07.53 | findlay | I'll take these ideas and apply them as best I can to my life |
| 07:07.54 | findlay | (: |
| 07:08.02 | fishyfire | goodluck |
| 07:08.02 | findlay | bye |
| 07:08.09 | fishyfire | bye |
| 07:11.20 | findlay | (have to say one more thing :) this girl I don't think is broken, just too young and inexperienced |
| 07:11.34 | fishyfire | how young is she? |
| 07:11.36 | findlay | I guess that's my own fault for fraternizing with 19 year old girls |
| 07:11.38 | findlay | (: |
| 07:11.43 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 07:11.51 | fishyfire | how old are you? |
| 07:11.55 | findlay | 23 |
| 07:12.03 | fishyfire | hmm ok |
| 07:12.48 | Tene | My girl is turning 18 on Sat. |
| 07:12.57 | fishyfire | how old are you? |
| 07:12.59 | LeviHome | Yow. |
| 07:13.02 | Tene | 19 |
| 07:13.10 | LeviHome | I stay far away from young girls. :) |
| 07:13.25 | fishyfire | how old are you? |
| 07:13.25 | Tene | so it's a much smaller difference. |
| 07:13.27 | LeviHome | Well, I stay away from them all besides my wife, now. |
| 07:13.40 | fishyfire | lol good choice! |
| 07:13.51 | findlay | Tene: so you're not married then (: |
| 07:14.00 | Tene | newp |
| 07:14.04 | Tene | not for a few more years. |
| 07:14.25 | LeviHome | I had a young girlfriend not too long ago, and she drove me nuts. Didn't last long. |
| 07:14.27 | tensai | LeviHome: wives usually appreciate that |
| 07:14.37 | LeviHome | (before I got married, of course) |
| 07:14.57 | LeviHome | I then started dating my wife-to-be, who is a year older than me. |
| 07:15.00 | fishyfire | what did she do that drove you so crazy? |
| 07:15.03 | findlay | I thought girls matured faster (: |
| 07:15.22 | LeviHome | fishyfire: She didn't know who she was or what she wanted. |
| 07:15.26 | fishyfire | some of em do i think.... |
| 07:15.46 | fishyfire | that would make things complicated |
| 07:16.02 | LeviHome | Yes, but she was 19 or so and I was 27 at the time, I think. |
| 07:17.21 | findlay | that'll make a difference |
| 07:17.21 | fishyfire | yeah |
| 07:17.21 | LeviHome | They may start to mature faster, but guys aren't /that/ far behind. |
| 07:17.21 | findlay | aw, methinks it's conjecture confined to the realms of theory |
| 07:17.22 | findlay | worth a laugh or two |
| 07:17.32 | LeviHome | So, I'm thinking of cancelling my cell phone plans and getting cheap T-Mobile pay-as-you-go phones for emergency purposes. |
| 07:17.45 | LeviHome | Cell phones are way too expensive. |
| 07:17.49 | findlay | what will that cost? |
| 07:18.09 | tensai | you have to consider that girls start maturing earlier, but compared to pre-teen boys. a gaggle of geese has more smarts than most of them. |
| 07:18.28 | fishyfire | :) |
| 07:22.52 | LeviHome | Hrm, asked a question and then logged off. |
| 07:25.01 | tensai | LeviHome: do the minutes expire? |
| 07:25.46 | LeviHome | Yes, though after you spend a total of $100, they last for a year. |
| 07:26.55 | LeviHome | If you spend $100 up front, you get 1000 minutes and they last for a year. |
| 07:27.07 | Tene | he'll get the answer from the logs later, maybe? |
| 07:27.09 | tensai | I know I wouldn't have a cell phone if it wasn't provided by the company. I do use that quite a bit but I just don't make that many calls. |
| 07:27.22 | tensai | personal calls that is |
| 07:27.36 | LeviHome | You can get the cheap phones for $40, and they come with 60 minutes. |
| 07:27.50 | LeviHome | That'd probably last a looooong time with my usage. |
| 07:28.26 | LeviHome | Together, my wife and I have around $100 in cell bills per month. It's ridiculous. |
| 07:28.55 | tensai | 8.33 a month. not bad. plus no rediculously long list of taxes |
| 07:29.35 | LeviHome | I'd have canceled a long time ago if I didn't have my treo, which I use the wireless stuff on fairly frequently. |
| 07:29.36 | tensai | well, 11.66 if you amoritize the phone too |
| 07:32.27 | LeviHome | If you spend $25, you get 150 minutes that last for 90 days. Same monthly cost as the $100 up front, if you don't need the extra 400 minutes, and after 4 payments your minutes start to last a full year as well and you get 15% more for your money. |
| 07:33.20 | LeviHome | This is definitely something I could go with. |
| 07:36.28 | LeviHome | Time for bed... |
| 07:37.36 | Tene | g'night |
| 08:05.17 | spr | ~lart stupid computers |
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| 12:15.53 | Maquis | i think that if you compare girls to pre-mission guys, or 19-year-old guys in general, it's probably true... |
| 12:16.13 | Maquis | but compared to the guys in my classes, i'd say that girls are pretty immature |
| 12:16.46 | Maquis | and some of my roommates are RMs (and half of them are in the 25-30 year-old range) |
| 12:16.59 | Maquis | they're not very mature though |
| 12:17.06 | Maquis | it's quite annoying |
| 13:52.15 | bonez39 | Maquis: what do you find most annoying? |
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| 15:02.36 | hans | ~spell insurmountable |
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| 15:36.07 | hans | byronc: how was the rug meeting? |
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| 15:38.20 | byronc | hans: it was great |
| 15:38.37 | byronc | definitely could have used a quick presentation about test/unit or yaml though |
| 15:39.09 | hans | :) |
| 15:40.18 | hans | my in laws decided to go to dinner for my brother in law's birthday, at ruby river. My rich brother in law offered to pay. There was no refusing |
| 15:40.28 | hans | Ruby River is ruby related though, no? |
| 15:40.55 | byronc | definitely |
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| 15:59.55 | hans | what causes apache to reset the connection (document contains no data) |
| 16:00.11 | hans | it's a virtualhost, works with ssl but not without |
| 16:00.19 | hans | nada in the log |
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| 16:01.01 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 16:01.20 | hans | oh wait, there is something in the log: |
| 16:01.24 | hans | [Fri Mar 25 09:00:56 2005] [error] SSL_accept failed |
| 16:01.25 | hans | [Fri Mar 25 09:00:56 2005] [error] error:1407609C:lib(20):func(118):reason(156) |
| 16:01.37 | hans | do I have to do SSLDisable for port 80? |
| 16:01.46 | hans | can you nest virtual hosts? |
| 16:01.55 | hans | or, VirtualHost directives that is. |
| 16:02.38 | tensai | I've never needed to do SSLDisable. do you have SSLEnable set globally? |
| 16:02.57 | hans | no, it is SSLDisable globally and SSLEnable in this vhost |
| 16:03.01 | hans | but I could do it that way |
| 16:03.10 | hans | would that make a difference? |
| 16:04.30 | tensai | I have mine inside VirtualHost. No SSL stuff globally. |
| 16:06.03 | tensai | can you paste the configs? |
| 16:10.27 | hans | www.wencor.com/tmp/httpd.conf |
| 16:11.50 | tensai | is this apache-ssl? I'm not sure but is it built to default to ssl? |
| 16:11.59 | tensai | I always stick with vanilla apache and use mod_ssl |
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| 16:12.32 | tensai | we have some apache-ssl boxes and they soom to use ssl by default |
| 16:12.42 | tensai | hadn't thought about it before |
| 16:13.02 | hans | tensai: it's apache-ssl |
| 16:13.14 | hans | the other vhosts work fine in http |
| 16:13.32 | hans | this one too, if I do SSLDisable (or not SSLEnable) in the vhost |
| 16:15.12 | tensai | which virtualhost is the problem? |
| 16:15.15 | hans | the duplicate entry is my test |
| 16:15.20 | hans | the bottom. digeplayer.com |
| 16:15.45 | hans | having that duplicate entry for digeplayer:80 works, but that's silly |
| 16:15.53 | hans | hate to repeat myself like that. |
| 16:16.27 | tensai | afaik you can't do ssl and non-ssl in the same virtualhost, so you're pretty much stuck with two |
| 16:16.42 | hans | hmm. that's pretty dumb |
| 16:16.50 | hans | but then, I've never been impressed with apache's config files |
| 16:17.34 | tensai | I'll take apache's config 7 days a week over IIS |
| 16:17.43 | hans | :) |
| 16:18.01 | hans | it's nowhere near the sendmail level of insanity |
| 16:20.15 | Bradipo | I used to think the obscurities in sendmail.cf were cool. |
| 16:20.35 | Bradipo | But then I discovered that it was more cool to have an MTA that worked 100% of the time. :-) |
| 16:24.46 | levi | I can't believe that company is named Wencor. |
| 16:41.56 | bonez39 | question about spellchecking..I like to write just with vim...and then post what i write to a newsletter, published with mailman...is there any way to run the text through a spell checker..in vim, without having to open it in gedit or writer or some higher level editor? |
| 16:42.33 | hans | bonez39: yup |
| 16:42.39 | hans | levi: why not? |
| 16:43.52 | levi | hans: Because, if you pronounce it right, it sounds like a rude word. |
| 16:44.07 | levi | s/right/a certain way/ |
| 16:44.16 | JoshH | lol |
| 16:44.25 | JoshH | when-core sounds better |
| 16:44.59 | hans | i don't know how else you would pronounce it. |
| 16:45.50 | hans | ~google vim spell check |
| 16:47.36 | levi | hans: Like another name for a 'self-abuser'. ;) |
| 16:48.28 | vontrapp | uhoh, looks like vim.org doesn't escape things put into sql statements |
| 16:50.01 | vontrapp | http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=135%20or produces script:You have an error in your SQL syntax near '[or ]and s.created_by = u.user_id' at line 8 |
| 16:50.18 | vontrapp | [or ] added to clearly show what caused the error |
| 16:51.24 | bonez39 | hans: thanks ... |
| 17:02.08 | hans | this subject line says a lot: "Linux PHP Editors" |
| 17:02.33 | levi | ... |
| 17:02.54 | levi | vim and emacs |
| 17:03.04 | spr | I know! Visual Studio! |
| 17:08.52 | hans | oh phew, it was just a misguided vim user who didn't know vim does folding |
| 17:09.46 | hans | but dang it, I read the thread for laughs and instead got understanding and compassion. I hate it when that happens. |
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| 17:13.51 | levi | hans: You old softie. |
| 17:14.18 | hans | how am I going to maintain my bofh image? |
| 17:15.38 | spr | you have one? |
| 17:15.54 | hans | spr: sshhh, I do here |
| 17:16.06 | hans | at least, among the people that don't know me. :) |
| 17:16.08 | hans | here being IRL |
| 17:18.12 | Jayce^ | hans, careful, he's being converted to eclipse.. better shore up that vim goodness and keep him in the fold |
| 17:18.37 | levi | Bah, eclipse. |
| 17:19.01 | hans | nah, I've decided the sweet eyes can wander all they want. we will welcome them back in the fold if they ever wise up. |
| 17:29.59 | brailsmt | death to all emacs infidels |
| 17:31.00 | brailsmt | what does infidel mean anyway... in spaish it means unfaithful, so it would better be used 'death to all infidels' but that sounds wrong in english... |
| 17:31.19 | brailsmt | i forgot a 'vim' somewhere in there... |
| 17:31.42 | brailsmt | dang brain goes faster than the fingers... |
| 17:39.57 | tensai | "spaish"? Is that how Sean Connery pronounces "space"? |
| 17:40.39 | brailsmt | no, that would be 'shpaish' |
| 17:40.51 | tensai | ah, my bad |
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| 17:50.42 | bonez39 | brailsmt: careful..you'll melt Maquis...talking that way... |
| 17:51.14 | bonez39 | aren't all women rendered incapacitated when hearing Mr. Connery talk? |
| 18:05.53 | levi | Ahhhh.... I now have a very nice 21" flatscreen CRT to replace my cheap 19" CRT. |
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| 18:06.05 | hans | ~lart levi |
| 18:06.19 | levi | Time to up the resolution! |
| 18:09.25 | bonez39 | I composed a newsletter to post to one of my lists, using vim....the newsletter contents cover more than a full screen...how do I post the information , other than cut and paste into email editor? what's the most graceful way to do this? |
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| 18:22.25 | mrpull | i've got a windows batch script question... any takers? |
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| 18:22.50 | Maquis|brainshar | ~lart sjansen |
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| 18:24.56 | sjansen | sadly, my beard isn't white like papa smurf |
| 18:25.13 | levi | Yay, high resolution! |
| 18:30.12 | tensai | why hasn't anybody said their favorite php editor is 'rm'? |
| 18:30.25 | Maquis|brainshar | tensai: :) |
| 18:36.32 | Maquis|brainshar | ~lart Peregrine |
| 18:38.38 | bonez39 | how do I unsubscribe one of my email addy's from the PLUG list? |
| 18:45.08 | tensai | Maquis|brainshar == osq}oshar |
| 18:45.53 | brailsmt | my favorite perl editor is cat... |
| 18:46.02 | Maquis|brainshar | tensai: ??? |
| 18:46.09 | brailsmt | as in: cat /dev/urandom > script.pl |
| 18:46.24 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 18:47.12 | tensai | Maquis|brainshar: "Maquis" | "brainshar" == "osq}oshar" |
| 18:47.30 | Maquis|brainshar | tensai: sorry... i'm a bit slow... i don't get it |
| 18:47.41 | tensai | binary OR the strings together |
| 18:47.52 | brailsmt | tough dd is a close second... dd if=/dev/urandom of=script.pl size=5 |
| 18:48.03 | Maquis|brainshar | tensai: oh |
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| 18:57.12 | Peregrine | Hey Maquis|brainshar. |
| 19:07.25 | brailsmt | hans: how selfish |
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| 19:17.48 | OldToker | Boo!! |
| 19:17.58 | OldToker | any one here? |
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| 19:18.41 | OldToker | Hummm |
| 19:18.43 | OldToker | oh well.. |
| 19:22.05 | vontrapp | what was that about? |
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| 19:30.25 | hans | i think it's the same talkative guy that posted to plug just a bit ago |
| 19:49.24 | fungus | http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=158099 |
| 20:01.27 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.21 | tensai | that would certainly put an end to the INDUCE nonsense |
| 20:15.41 | mrpull | pete would get my vote |
| 20:15.47 | mrpull | hatch has been there too long |
| 20:16.36 | jsmith | mrpull: Amen, brother :-) |
| 20:16.52 | Bradipo | The nice thing about pashdown is you can get onto irc.xmission.com and chat with him. :-) |
| 20:17.56 | mrpull | that is true. |
| 20:18.19 | Bradipo | Is he for less or more government? |
| 20:18.27 | mrpull | i had him answer some simple questions in xm.general back in the day. |
| 20:18.33 | Bradipo | If the former, he'll get my vote. |
| 20:18.37 | mrpull | I'm always impressed with xmission |
| 20:21.02 | tensai | how do I find who a certain AS# is? |
| 20:21.06 | Bradipo | whois |
| 20:21.52 | Bradipo | whois -h whois.arin.net 'AS#' |
| 20:21.57 | Bradipo | SHould work I believe. |
| 20:22.37 | tensai | Bradipo: yup. thanks |
| 20:32.09 | spr | oh boy, multiple flame wars |
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| 20:50.43 | fozz | Yeah- If Pete gets to the general election... it'll be the first time I've voted DEMOCRAT in a congressional race. :) |
| 20:52.19 | jsmith | I'd vote for Pete too... |
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| 21:30.49 | synic | anyone know a company in slc that would sell 3ware sata raid cards? |
| 21:31.00 | fozz | heh. no. |
| 21:31.51 | fozz | You need one... today? |
| 21:32.02 | synic | I need one soon. |
| 21:32.11 | fozz | You could probably get one shipped by Monday. |
| 21:32.15 | synic | else we have to pay for two hosting companies on the 1rst |
| 21:32.23 | synic | which sucks |
| 21:32.34 | synic | Monday eh? |
| 21:32.50 | synic | know of any other linux compatable sata raid controllers? |
| 21:33.05 | synic | if I could get one today I could work on this all weekend |
| 21:33.06 | fozz | adaptec makes some. |
| 21:33.16 | fozz | I'd just order a 3ware from NewEgg |
| 21:33.39 | fozz | You may want to consider software raid. |
| 21:33.45 | JoshH | oh man |
| 21:33.46 | synic | software raid is totally out |
| 21:33.49 | JoshH | that would be awesome |
| 21:33.57 | fozz | totally out? |
| 21:33.58 | JoshH | someone needs to replace hatch, and hes the perfect guy to do it |
| 21:34.18 | synic | fozz: software raid means we save our data, but if a hard drive fails, there's tons more downtime |
| 21:34.56 | synic | it means reinstalling whatever distro |
| 21:35.03 | fozz | synic: Yeah- I know. I've got software raid running on a boatload of servers. |
| 21:35.10 | fozz | Reinstalling distro?! |
| 21:35.21 | fozz | No, you just replace the faulty drive and go! |
| 21:35.48 | synic | you can't have raid on the root partition |
| 21:35.55 | fozz | sure you can. |
| 21:36.02 | synic | that's not what I've been told |
| 21:36.03 | tensai | synic: I do it all the time |
| 21:36.10 | hans | synic: I never said you couldn't. |
| 21:36.12 | Jayce^ | it's just more work |
| 21:36.13 | synic | everyone says it's a pain and not worth it |
| 21:36.20 | fozz | You can't boot without a ramdisk if you do. |
| 21:36.31 | fozz | RedHat/Fedora makes it easy. |
| 21:36.41 | synic | I'd rather use a debian based distro |
| 21:36.51 | fozz | That's fine. I'm just relaying my experience. |
| 21:36.58 | synic | *sigh* |
| 21:37.00 | synic | lol |
| 21:37.04 | hans | you can do it in debian too. the installer doesn't make it easy |
| 21:37.06 | hans | but you can. |
| 21:37.13 | tensai | indeed, as that's what I do |
| 21:37.18 | hans | if you need the assurance of raiding your root, then do it. |
| 21:37.19 | tensai | it is more challenging though |
| 21:37.20 | fozz | Does the debian installer make ANYTHING easy? :) |
| 21:37.31 | hans | fozz: sure, the standard case |
| 21:37.33 | synic | tensai: have a doc that might explain how I would go about it? |
| 21:37.46 | hans | i must admit, the redhat installer is nice for lvm/raid setups. |
| 21:40.57 | bucky | !seen sjansen |
| 21:41.10 | fozz | I haven't seen sjansen, bucky. |
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| 21:41.15 | bucky | ~seen sjansen |
| 21:41.17 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 3h 16m 21s ago, saying: 'sadly, my beard isn't white like papa smurf'. |
| 21:41.51 | bucky | it would be a shame if he missed out on any debian discussions |
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| 21:44.00 | bucky | does anyone have ncq support on their linux box so that we can have some real io disk performance? |
| 21:44.41 | bucky | without scsi |
| 21:45.48 | hans | Jayce^ tattled on us didn't he? |
| 21:47.47 | Jayce^ | not I.. |
| 21:48.04 | hans | ooh, fun. time for a mole hunt |
| 21:48.45 | Jayce^ | he's the rat! :) |
| 21:48.56 | hans | Jayce^: just pointing? aren't you the gun freak? |
| 21:49.21 | Jayce^ | I never mentioned what I was pointing with.. |
| 21:49.30 | bucky | sjansen, bricolage has updated to a newer version in that http://tetsuo.geekhive.net repository |
| 21:50.29 | bucky | oh my |
| 21:50.30 | Jayce^ | must be tracking a newer release, the changelog I saw this week was pretty small though |
| 21:50.41 | bucky | 1.8.5 |
| 21:50.46 | bucky | small changes |
| 21:50.57 | Jayce^ | bascially broke up some optional packages into truly optional deps |
| 21:51.18 | bucky | http://www.bricolage.cc/news/announce/changes/bricolage-1.8.5/ |
| 21:54.31 | bucky | sadist |
| 21:55.34 | hans | happist |
| 21:55.44 | bucky | optimist ! |
| 21:56.43 | bucky | hans, wasn't it you that talked him into installing apache-perl instead of libapache-mod-perl ? |
| 21:56.52 | hans | heck no |
| 21:57.00 | hans | I hate apache-* |
| 21:57.03 | hans | give me mods anyday |
| 21:57.14 | bucky | sorry... my finger went off in the wrong direction |
| 21:57.19 | hans | :) |
| 22:05.53 | stuporgl2e | What can I do with my Apache access.log to see what's happening easier? Is there some sort of free statistical package I can install? |
| 22:06.33 | bucky | webalizer ? |
| 22:06.43 | mrpull | awstats |
| 22:07.14 | stuporgl2e | thanks |
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| 22:26.35 | mrpull | should I bother with partimage/g4u or just buy ghost? |
| 22:26.53 | mrpull | i've got 5 windows servers to deploy. |
| 22:27.40 | jsmith | mrpull: I like Partimage |
| 22:28.07 | jsmith | mrpull: (That being said, I like the latest version of Ghost as a good alternative) |
| 22:30.10 | mrpull | 5 boxes is right around that tipping point.... |
| 22:30.45 | mrpull | the hassel of setting up an elaborate imaging setup is almost as bad as just installing the other 4 copies |
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| 22:45.30 | Bradipo | Talk about incompetence: dig mx publicaster.com |
| 22:46.40 | tensai | too bad they didn't use IP addresses instead. that would have been truly retarded |
| 22:46.52 | Jayce^ | wow |
| 22:47.39 | Bradipo | The size of their DNS packet is over 5K. |
| 22:48.16 | jsmith | I wonder if they thought it would somehow reduce spam or something... :-) |
| 22:48.25 | Bradipo | No, I think they are a spam source actually. |
| 22:48.38 | Bradipo | I noticed it because our mail server was rejecting the email due to DNS errors. |
| 22:49.15 | jsmith | Uh, yeah... that might do it. |
| 22:49.43 | Bradipo | Actually, I queried their server directly. They are returning 8965 bytes in their answer. |
| 22:50.05 | Bradipo | Amazing. |
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| 23:20.06 | sjansen | Man, who would have thought it would be so hard to donate a car. |
| 23:20.31 | sjansen | I've been following up with them for three straight days now, telling them I was moving and the car had to be moved by today. |
| 23:21.02 | sjansen | As of right now, I've finally been contacted by a towing company that _might_ be able to move the car by tonight some time. |
| 23:23.42 | sjansen | If you ever need to get rid of an old car, and decided to give it to charity instead of making a few bucks off it, I don't recommend the Utah chapter of the Nat. Kidney Foundation. Too much hassle. |
| 23:24.35 | sjansen | They were very happy to recieve the title, but sure haven't seemed very interested in actually doing anything with the donation. |
| 23:31.38 | JoshH | lol |
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