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| 02:12.18 | jsmith | Maquis: I'll say something, just to break the silence. |
| 02:14.45 | Maquis | hi jsmith! |
| 02:14.47 | Maquis | how are you? |
| 02:18.58 | jsmith | Not too shabby... |
| 02:19.24 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:19.48 | Maquis | are you graduated? in school? off working someplace (where)? other? |
| 02:20.00 | jsmith | Graduated, working. |
| 02:20.18 | jsmith | I'm working for Omniture in Orem. |
| 02:20.36 | Maquis | omniture? |
| 02:21.03 | jsmith | We do web analytics for eBay, HP, Nike, Sears, etc. |
| 02:21.14 | Maquis | that's cool!!! |
| 02:21.27 | jsmith | Yeah, it is actually. |
| 02:22.09 | jsmith | I have a good time there. |
| 02:22.13 | Maquis | cool |
| 02:22.23 | jsmith | You're studying CS, right? |
| 02:22.27 | Maquis | so, is it mostly programming? what languages, etc? |
| 02:22.30 | Maquis | yeah... CS |
| 02:22.43 | jsmith | I'm in the Network Operations dept., so I don't get to do as much programming as I'd like. |
| 02:23.02 | jsmith | But we've got several programming positions open, if you're interested. |
| 02:23.03 | Maquis | still cool, though |
| 02:23.16 | Maquis | haha |
| 02:23.27 | Maquis | i won't be graduating for a while... :( |
| 02:23.57 | jsmith | So? You alergic to a part-time job? |
| 02:24.35 | Maquis | i haven't worked during the school-year ever before... just worked summers so far... but i'm planning on taking a position in the fall with the chem dept... |
| 02:24.43 | jsmith | I see. |
| 02:25.06 | Maquis | my parents are quite a bit against the idea... |
| 02:25.17 | jsmith | I worked two jobs all through school, so the thought of not working during schools is totally foreign to me. |
| 02:25.46 | Maquis | but i figure that if i stick with an on-campus job that isn't a giant commitment, and that is pretty relaxed (can move hours around all i want, etc) might make them a bit less resistant... |
| 02:28.35 | Maquis | so, are you in plug? |
| 02:33.26 | jsmith | Well, sort of. |
| 02:33.39 | jsmith | I've been to a few meetings, but I've avoided the mailing list. |
| 02:34.50 | Maquis | ah... |
| 02:34.53 | Maquis | i'm the opposite... |
| 02:35.04 | Maquis | i'm on the mailing list, and still haven't made it to a plug meeting |
| 02:35.10 | Maquis | so far, just sticking with uug for meetings |
| 02:35.28 | jsmith | Haven't made it to any uug meetings yet, but I'm supposed to present there in June I think. |
| 02:35.37 | jsmith | Maybe it was May... can't remember. |
| 02:35.38 | Maquis | cool |
| 02:35.46 | Maquis | too bad i won't be around... :( |
| 02:36.17 | jsmith | It's just a re-hash of what I presented at PLUG and SLLUG -- too bad you missed those too. |
| 02:36.27 | Maquis | what's the topic? |
| 02:37.29 | Maquis | new presidency takes over in may |
| 02:37.53 | Maquis | (well, actually late april) |
| 02:45.49 | levi-laptop | Good evening. |
| 02:45.50 | jsmith | Asterisk. |
| 02:52.25 | tensai | Maquis: fwiw (probably not much), I'd say getting a part time job during school is very helpful |
| 02:53.34 | tensai | hands on experience gave me the experience and the diploma gave me the proof |
| 02:54.34 | tensai | it's like they say: those who can, do. those who can't, teach. |
| 02:56.15 | tensai | jsmith: turns out our NEC pbx doesn't talk SIP or any other open standard. what a piece of junk. |
| 02:56.31 | jsmith | tensai: Yup... figures. |
| 02:56.52 | tensai | but apparently my boss knew that and bought me an asterisk box anyway |
| 02:57.17 | jsmith | tensai: If you NEC has an extra T1 card, then you can talk to it from Asterisk over T1 protocols. |
| 02:57.42 | tensai | hmm. would that require a real t1 between them? |
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| 03:05.20 | tensai | anybody ever heard of allherb.com? (don't bother clicking. it's dead.) |
| 03:06.01 | levi-laptop | Nope. |
| 03:06.09 | jsmith | tensai: No, it wouldn't. T1 crossover cable :-) |
| 03:06.22 | jsmith | tensai: (I have a diagram on my website, so you can build your own.) |
| 03:08.59 | tensai | jsmith: interesting... since I'm 250 miles away, that means I'd need another asterisk box there, right? |
| 03:09.16 | tensai | and then run the t1 crossover between those two? |
| 03:10.53 | jsmith | tensai: Exactly. |
| 03:11.11 | tensai | have you ever heard of tdm over ip? |
| 03:11.16 | jsmith | tensai: It also requires a T1 card in that Asterisk box, just so you're aware. |
| 03:11.17 | jsmith | tensai: Yes. |
| 03:11.30 | jsmith | tensai: And TDMoE (TDM over Ethernet) |
| 03:11.42 | tensai | what's your impression vs. voip? |
| 03:11.54 | tensai | would that be a good alternative? |
| 03:12.13 | jsmith | To be honest, I haven't played with it much. Seems to me you're comparing apples to oranges. |
| 03:12.20 | tensai | (not that I think we'll actually *do* it, but I'm just investigating) |
| 03:12.31 | jsmith | What exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 03:12.42 | tensai | link my asterisk box to the nec pbx |
| 03:12.59 | tensai | without paying an arm and a leg for an interlata t1 |
| 03:13.16 | jsmith | But the Asterisk box is 250 miles from the NEC? |
| 03:13.27 | tensai | yeah and across state lines |
| 03:14.09 | jsmith | Personally, I'd get a small Asterisk box with a T1 card and put it next to the NEC. Then I'd use IAX trunking between your Asterisk box and that one. |
| 03:14.42 | jsmith | Reminds me of something we did at my last job. |
| 03:14.58 | tensai | the twin falls thing? |
| 03:15.10 | jsmith | We had calls come from a remote call center over IAX to our corporate office, and there we put them onto a T1 and into an auto-dialer. |
| 03:15.20 | jsmith | Yup, basically. |
| 03:16.15 | Maquis | tensai: i agree with you about working during school... but my parents don't... |
| 03:16.22 | Maquis | that's the problem... |
| 03:16.24 | tensai | I guess I could have thought of that but didn't. I'm pretty certain it's not worth the cost for us, though. |
| 03:16.36 | Maquis | although, i have had a good bit of work experience in the summers |
| 03:16.54 | tensai | Maquis: obviously don't take my advice as gospel truth |
| 03:16.58 | Maquis | this is going to be my 4th summer programming (and it's finally *not* vb) |
| 03:17.05 | tensai | yay! |
| 03:17.09 | levi-laptop | Yay for not VB! |
| 03:17.09 | Maquis | tensai: :) |
| 03:17.12 | Maquis | yeah |
| 03:17.20 | levi-laptop | What will you be programming in? |
| 03:17.29 | tensai | cobol! |
| 03:17.34 | Maquis | i'm not 100% certain... depends on which project group i get asigned to |
| 03:17.34 | levi-laptop | Ew. |
| 03:17.53 | Maquis | all i know is it's going to be running on linux machines... :) |
| 03:18.08 | levi-laptop | Well, that does rule out VB. |
| 03:18.11 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:18.14 | levi-laptop | But not C#! ;) |
| 03:18.33 | Maquis | i also don't see amazon.com writing their software in VB... |
| 03:18.41 | Maquis | c# is better than VB |
| 03:18.47 | levi-laptop | Doesn't rule out perl, either. |
| 03:18.51 | Maquis | nope |
| 03:19.04 | tensai | perl is my swiss army knife of choice |
| 03:19.20 | Maquis | i've been meaning to learn perl, and just haven't had the time to do it |
| 03:19.33 | Maquis | so far, C is my favorite language for code... |
| 03:19.53 | Maquis | and for web-stuff, i've enjoyed PHP... |
| 03:19.54 | tensai | I'm a sysadmin so we don't code. we write kludges |
| 03:20.07 | levi-laptop | C is perhaps refreshing compared to VB, but I'm not terribly fond of it anymore. |
| 03:20.22 | Maquis | (the only other web-language i've really used much was ASP, so my preference of PHP doesn't say a lot) |
| 03:20.32 | Maquis | levi-laptop: why not? |
| 03:20.34 | levi-laptop | Currently, it's hard to beat for embedded systems programming, so I'm stuck with it. |
| 03:20.49 | Maquis | what don't you like about it? |
| 03:20.58 | tensai | levi-laptop: I recall Sun trying to push j2me pretty hard. is that going anywhere? |
| 03:21.51 | levi-laptop | I'm not fond of Java, either. |
| 03:22.08 | Maquis | alhtough that might be due to the fact that we switched to C++ and C as we got to the more interesting classes/projects... |
| 03:22.20 | Maquis | levi-laptop: what language do you prefer? |
| 03:22.30 | tensai | it's hard to get excited about writing student databases in any language |
| 03:22.45 | Maquis | tensai: exactly... |
| 03:22.58 | tensai | although I did |
| 03:23.00 | levi-laptop | C is low-level enough to be annoying to implement high-level things in, but still high-level enough to sometimes provide weird issues. |
| 03:23.40 | levi-laptop | Maquis: I like Lisp, Scheme, and Smalltalk. |
| 03:24.08 | Maquis | hmmmm... haven't worked with those yet... taking cs330 in fall which works in scheme.... |
| 03:24.47 | levi-laptop | Scheme will require you to think differently about programming. Be sure to give youself some time to adapt before dismissing it. |
| 03:24.58 | tensai | you'll wear out your % key in no time writing scheme |
| 03:25.21 | levi-laptop | Only if you insist on using vim. |
| 03:25.32 | Maquis | from what i've seen of scheme and lisp, it seems that they both have an awful lot of parentheses.. |
| 03:25.33 | tensai | which any decent programmer should |
| 03:25.43 | Maquis | levi-laptop: which editor do you use for scheme? |
| 03:25.59 | Maquis | most of the people in the class use some "DrScheme" editor... |
| 03:26.06 | Maquis | it looks somewhat annoying |
| 03:26.11 | levi-laptop | Maquis: I use emacs for all lisp programming. It's a better fit. Well, I do use DrScheme sometimes. |
| 03:26.32 | levi-laptop | DrScheme has some powerful visualization tools to help you understand how the language works. |
| 03:26.35 | tensai | that's true. lisp and emacs do go hand in hand |
| 03:26.52 | Maquis | tensai: i have vim set to flash matching parens, which should help, right? |
| 03:26.55 | levi-laptop | It's not a powerful editor like vim or emacs, but it's a good learning tool. |
| 03:27.45 | Maquis | levi-laptop: my biggest problem with using a different editor is that i have a tendency to get :w placed randomly throughout the file |
| 03:27.47 | tensai | Maquis: I don't think I was into vim yet when I took that class so I can't say. Honestly I've forgotten most of it. |
| 03:28.05 | Maquis | (that's part of what convinced me to learn LaTeX...) |
| 03:28.16 | Maquis | tensai: good point :) |
| 03:28.34 | levi-laptop | Eh, if you can train yourself to type vi keys, you can train yourself to type emacs keys as well. |
| 03:28.55 | levi-laptop | You can hack on vim enough to make it bearable to edit lisp if you really don't want to learn emacs, though. |
| 03:28.56 | Maquis | levi-laptop: very true |
| 03:29.01 | Maquis | i started with emacs |
| 03:29.16 | Maquis | was converted to vim over the summer |
| 03:29.28 | levi-laptop | Using emacs with Common Lisp is WAY ahead of using vim. |
| 03:29.59 | levi-laptop | I'm not sure where the scheme emacs integration is at, though. |
| 03:32.11 | tensai | during the .com days I got a free sample of stuff from allherb.com. They've since gone belly up and I'm curious to know how and when. f*ckedcompany.com doesn't have anything. any guess on where to start? |
| 03:33.19 | tensai | they sent me a bottle of "horny goat weed", an all natural aphrodesiac. tasted like grass and I didn't notice any difference. |
| 03:34.42 | levi-laptop | Anyway, when indenting scheme/Lisp properly, you can pretty much ignore the parentheses and have your editor take care of them. |
| 03:34.54 | levi-laptop | tensai: What do you need an aphrodesiac for? |
| 03:36.32 | tensai | didn't need any of the other free herbs they were offering (gingko biloba, etc.) so I got something exotic. it was free, what the heck |
| 03:36.54 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.57 | fozz | ;-) |
| 03:37.12 | tensai | fozz: I hope I never get to find out |
| 03:37.40 | hans | Maquis: I never tried drscheme. It didn't look like something I could stand |
| 03:37.55 | Maquis | hans: in what way? |
| 03:38.21 | Maquis | and the amount of random fluff.. |
| 03:38.29 | hans | well, mostly that it wasn't vim, but also because it looked fluffy |
| 03:38.50 | Maquis | hmmm... so, we seem to have similar taste :) |
| 03:39.59 | levi-laptop | Well, if you don't need the learning tools it offers, there's no real reason to use it. |
| 03:40.08 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:40.32 | levi-laptop | But when you're first trying to understand how variable binding in scheme works, the little arrows that point them out can be nice. |
| 03:40.46 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 03:40.57 | Maquis | gonna have to see how it goes with/without it... |
| 03:41.42 | tensai | apparently they closed shop in March of 2001. |
| 03:42.20 | levi-laptop | If I found someone offering free herbs, I'd prefer rosemary or basil. |
| 03:43.45 | levi-laptop | Maquis: Anyway, scheme is an extremely elegant language, and can do a lot of things you can't do directly in C. |
| 03:44.23 | Maquis | levi-laptop: mmmk |
| 03:46.04 | tensai | scratch that, feb of 2001. never went ipo. it was completely self-funded. the owner liquidated all assets and closed shop. |
| 03:46.30 | Maquis | tensai: i'm missing the connection of why you care? |
| 03:46.40 | tensai | levi-laptop: these were medicinal herbs, not anything worth having |
| 03:46.56 | tensai | Maquis: I have an allherb.com magnet on my fridge |
| 03:47.47 | Maquis | tensai: uh huh... |
| 03:47.51 | Maquis | and? |
| 03:47.54 | tensai | back then I wouldn't have known a rosemary if it jumped up and bit me. |
| 03:48.31 | tensai | Maquis: I looked at it the other day and wondered when the died. there was no question in my mind that they hadn't survived the .com fallout. |
| 03:48.38 | tensai | just curious is all |
| 03:48.59 | Maquis | hmmm... mmk |
| 03:49.12 | Maquis | rosemary is good... |
| 03:49.21 | tensai | ok, I confess. I'm criminally insane and nothing I do makes any sense. |
| 03:49.35 | Maquis | i'll believe that |
| 03:53.14 | levi-laptop | Maquis: You should check out Smalltalk, too. |
| 03:53.54 | levi-laptop | Or at least Ruby. |
| 03:54.45 | tensai | I planted my tomatoes yesterday |
| 03:55.16 | tensai | and jalapenos |
| 03:58.54 | levi-laptop | Mmm, fresh tomatoes. |
| 04:01.06 | Maquis | levi-laptop: cool |
| 04:01.11 | Maquis | mmmm tomatoes!! |
| 04:20.18 | fozz | levi-laptop: I got my Treo 650 on Friday. |
| 04:20.42 | fozz | My phone service should be activated tomorrow afternoon. |
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| 04:36.36 | Maquis | ~lart spr |
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| 04:43.54 | levi-laptop | fozz: Nice. :) |
| 04:44.00 | fozz | Yeah. I'm stoked. |
| 04:47.26 | mheath | Any Java people in here? |
| 04:47.59 | levi-laptop | I have Portuguese Sweet Bread in the oven. :) |
| 04:48.09 | Maquis | sweet bread! |
| 04:48.39 | levi-laptop | mheath: You have a Java question? |
| 04:49.35 | mheath | Yeah |
| 04:49.43 | mheath | I'm trying to figure out how to do something... |
| 04:49.46 | levi-laptop | I'm not an expert by any means, but go ahead and ask... someone might know. |
| 04:50.16 | mheath | OK. I have a folder in my programs dir... |
| 04:50.19 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.51 | mheath | It contains java .class files, all of which contain the same method. I'll call it aMethod() here |
| 04:51.16 | mheath | I need to, during runtime, load these files and have access to the individual aMethod()'s. Anyway to do this? |
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| 04:51.52 | tensai | look at Class.load() and ClassLoader |
| 04:53.46 | tensai | er, I mean Class.forName() |
| 04:54.51 | tensai | the introspection api in java is quite nice, in my limited experience |
| 04:54.59 | levi-laptop | Not something you'd usually do in Java, I think, but should be possible. |
| 04:55.34 | mheath | tensai, ah, ClassLoader does just what I need |
| 04:55.36 | mheath | Thank you :) |
| 04:55.42 | tensai | if ./plugins/ is in your classpath it should be easy. scan the dir to get the names of the files and then use Class.forName() |
| 04:57.05 | levi-laptop | tensai: I always heard that Java introspection was kind of awkward, but I never used it myself. |
| 04:58.31 | mheath | tensai, how would I add ./plugins to my classpath? |
| 04:59.10 | tensai | there's a proper way to add it. System.classpath I think... |
| 05:00.00 | tensai | no, that's not it. hold on... |
| 05:01.30 | tensai | System.setProperty(java.class.path, newclasspath) maybe? It's been a while. |
| 05:03.01 | tensai | yeah, I think that should work |
| 05:04.02 | mheath | I could do... |
| 05:04.26 | mheath | java -classpath $CLASSPATH:dir |
| 05:04.44 | levi-laptop | Of course, the fact that it's possible is nice compared to introspection-lacking systems. |
| 05:04.58 | tensai | oh, sure. that'll certainly work. I thought you mean from inside the code. |
| 05:05.17 | tensai | btw, java -cp is a shortcut. I can't usually type classpath without spelling it wrong. |
| 05:05.59 | tensai | levi-laptop: a good point. "your worst day golfing is better than your best day working" |
| 05:06.34 | tensai | ~lart mplayer |
| 05:06.50 | Maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 05:08.34 | tensai | ~lart mplayer |
| 05:09.11 | tensai | if I wanted a media player that crashed randomly I'd be using windows |
| 05:14.01 | Maquis | ~lart tensai for not wanting a media player that crashes randomly |
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| 05:37.14 | LeviHome | Yay, my Portuguese Sweet Bread boules are pretty. :) |
| 05:37.37 | LeviHome | I will enjoy eating them in the morning. Now, it's time for bed. :) |
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| 05:51.37 | tensai | my son sent me his first email today. *sniff*. my little boy is so grown up. |
| 05:51.51 | Maquis | tensai: how old? |
| 05:51.55 | Maquis | and who was the email to? |
| 05:52.05 | tensai | almost 3 |
| 05:52.13 | Maquis | cute! |
| 05:52.30 | jsmith | G'night all! |
| 05:52.35 | Maquis | gnight jsmith |
| 05:53.06 | jsmith | tensai: Thanks... I like sleeping in the cold |
| 05:53.16 | Maquis | tensai: was he sending an email to his daddy? or to mommy? or who? |
| 05:53.25 | tensai | "my son sent me" ... |
| 05:53.35 | Maquis | oh... |
| 05:53.36 | Maquis | cute!!! |
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| 05:53.50 | tensai | he's with his mom in Oregon visiting Grandma |
| 05:54.11 | Maquis | what did he say? |
| 05:54.26 | tensai | "daddy, i love you. i miss you. love preston" |
| 05:54.34 | Maquis | cute!!!!!!! |
| 05:54.59 | tensai | I'll have him coding by age 5 |
| 05:56.05 | Maquis | haha |
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| 06:17.29 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 06:19.26 | Hhhhh | anybody has experience getting realtek ac97 sound to work? |
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| 15:38.17 | stuporglue | Weird. I accidentally did "mv downloads/ .../" with three dots, instead of "../", and the downloads folder disappeared |
| 15:38.22 | stuporglue | Where did it go? |
| 15:40.11 | bigdog_ut | did it name it that dir? |
| 15:40.15 | bigdog_ut | do an ls -la |
| 15:41.13 | stuporglue | heh...yeah there it is "..." |
| 15:41.13 | stuporglue | thanks |
| 15:41.17 | bigdog_ut | np |
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| 15:44.06 | vontrapp | how does one restart a network interface on a mac? |
| 15:45.20 | hans | vontrapp: power button? |
| 15:45.20 | hans | ;-) |
| 15:46.27 | bigdog_ut | vontrapp, check out system preferences |
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| 15:47.00 | xilch | bigdog_ut: saw your msg earlier - what's up? |
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| 16:39.21 | hans | avg spamicity over the past 24 hours: 0.627294004950495 |
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| 16:54.13 | hans | wow, that's a first |
| 16:55.06 | hans | someone emails with a question and CCs his manager (because he's requesting a bigger quota because he can't bring himself to clean up his mail) and his manager replies with the answer and volunteers to help. is today april fools? |
| 16:56.18 | levi | Heh. |
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| 18:10.19 | hans | ~spell whereever |
| 18:10.37 | levi | hans: Did you see that I made Portuguese Sweet Bread last night? |
| 18:10.40 | hans | where're - that just makes my head hurt |
| 18:10.43 | hans | no, I didn't |
| 18:10.47 | hans | that stuff is good |
| 18:10.51 | levi | It's yummy stuff indeed. |
| 18:10.54 | Maquis | levi: i want sweet bread |
| 18:11.16 | levi | I wish I'd had more time to let it rise. It's just about right, but could be a little poofier. |
| 18:11.28 | levi | Stupid Ward Council meeting took forever, though. :/ |
| 18:14.56 | Maquis | ~lart levi for talking about yummy food |
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| 18:36.37 | stuporglue | Anything using ncurses looks funny in screen |
| 18:37.18 | Maquis | stuporglue: ??? |
| 18:37.33 | hans | how so? |
| 18:37.52 | stuporglue | When I run elinks or aptitude, I don't get nice straight lines. |
| 18:38.06 | Maquis | stuporglue: i haven't had any problems... but i haven't used either of those |
| 18:38.09 | stuporglue | Instead, I get a bunch of 'a (a's with accents over them), and off center |
| 18:38.14 | hans | I use aptitude all the time |
| 18:38.17 | hans | sounds like a charset issue |
| 18:38.31 | hans | and irssi is ncurses |
| 18:38.41 | hans | don't use elinks often, but when I do I don't notice the line drawing problems. |
| 18:38.42 | stuporglue | hrm. True. No problems w/ irssi |
| 18:39.11 | vontrapp_ | irssi uses line-drawing? |
| 18:39.16 | vontrapp_ | i don't see any lines |
| 18:39.25 | Maquis | stuporglue: the only program i've had problems with is orpheus |
| 18:39.35 | Maquis | but i just switched the mp3blaster, and the problems all went away... |
| 18:41.51 | stuporglue | you can see the problems here: http://stuporglue.homelinux.com/~stuporglue/ |
| 18:42.42 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 18:49.37 | Maquis | stuporglue: enjoy :) |
| 18:50.18 | vontrapp | well, there's the problem, he's using a mac |
| 18:53.30 | levi | ~lart vontrapp |
| 18:54.24 | hans | i know the problem without looking. it's a locale/charset issue |
| 18:54.27 | hans | good luck with taht. |
| 18:55.22 | vontrapp | i like the new aol commercial |
| 18:55.37 | vontrapp | "You have some virus on your shoe." |
| 18:56.14 | vontrapp | still don't like aol, though |
| 19:06.52 | stuporglue | I'm not using the screen on OSX. I'm sshed into my box at home. |
| 19:07.15 | stuporglue | It's running Ubuntu, and does the same thing on the monitor when logged in locally |
| 19:18.04 | brailsmt | is therea way to remove files from a tar archive if the tar you are using doesn't support --delete? |
| 19:19.18 | brailsmt | and without doing an extract, rm <file>, retar? |
| 19:19.39 | tensai | I think those are your two options. can you install gnu tar? |
| 19:20.12 | brailsmt | nope |
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| 19:24.47 | spr | mmmm..giant screen tv |
| 19:27.07 | vontrapp | keyboard on lap |
| 19:27.39 | Tene | brailsmt: vim |
| 19:47.17 | brailsmt | Tene: i mean delete whole files from a tarball from a script... |
| 19:47.40 | brailsmt | and I don't have vim on theses systems anyway... |
| 19:48.08 | Tene | have it print a message saying "Press Enter to edit this tarball in vim to delete Filres..." |
| 19:48.21 | Tene | and don't fix the typo. it adds character. |
| 19:48.43 | brailsmt | Tene: this is a script that is supposed to run without user interaction... typically at 3-4 in the morning... |
| 19:49.00 | Tene | have it call you on the telephone |
| 19:49.16 | brailsmt | yeah the sysadmins would love that |
| 19:52.11 | spr | lunch time |
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| 20:18.04 | tensai | brailsmt: I've never looked at a tar stream, but you might be able to dump it to a pipe, filter out the bad files and then retar it. That'll still require 2x the space but wouldn't recreate the entire tree on disk. |
| 20:19.17 | tensai | how about instead of actually deleting the files, just keep a list and if you ever need to untar the file just exclude the files in the list |
| 20:19.26 | tensai | I assume this is some sort of backup system |
| 20:40.11 | hans | "I don't want the world, I just want your half." |
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| 20:49.49 | goozbach | ~dict psh |
| 21:00.09 | hans | I watched alton brown's take on pizza at lunch |
| 21:01.05 | hans | Bradipo: it took two days of nail biting, but my neglected sourdough start came back to life. |
| 21:01.24 | hans | 2 days and 3 nights, actually |
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| 21:07.34 | Bradipo | Excellent. |
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| 21:57.31 | mrpull | has yum gotten faster? |
| 21:57.35 | beandog | isn't Jackie Chan like 70-something? |
| 21:58.03 | vontrapp | isn't james bond like 100-something |
| 21:58.23 | beandog | no |
| 21:58.40 | beandog | more like 50-something |
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| 22:20.28 | Maquis | ~seen goozbach |
| 22:20.30 | ibot | goozbach is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 33 messages. Is idling for 1h 30m 41s |
| 22:20.51 | Maquis | goozbach: ping |
| 22:25.57 | jsmith | Hmmmn... some kind of major Qwest outage in Provo |
| 22:26.15 | hans | oh? |
| 22:26.17 | hans | not me |
| 22:26.20 | jsmith | (At least, that's what the Qwest tech is telling me) |
| 22:26.23 | jsmith | DSLAMS down... |
| 22:26.53 | JoshH | qwest always says crap like that |
| 22:27.08 | tensai | I'm glad they've moved out of my neighborhood. my dslam was down for 4 days last week. |
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| 23:05.01 | *** topic/#utah is The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, fslc.usu.edu, etc. | Utah Windows Admins Anonymous: utwaa.org | Vote goozbach for UUG president. |
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| 23:05.15 | goozbach | but you have to buy a third party cable |
| 23:06.28 | fozz | Oh okay. |
| 23:18.46 | Tene | just make your own! |
| 23:20.48 | Tene | Yay, stuff breaks and doesn't go! |
| 23:29.20 | Maquis | goozbach: you still around? |
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| 23:36.18 | Maquis | !@#$ missed him again... |
| 23:37.21 | Maquis | ~lart irc tag |
| 23:37.26 | Maquis | or would it be ping tag? |
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| 23:52.53 | goozbach | Maquis: helly |
| 23:53.00 | goozbach | hello even |
| 23:53.42 | goozbach | Maquis: you should know that I'm always here |
| 23:54.42 | Maquis | hi |