| 00:10.00 | sjansen | http://thelackthereof.org/wiki.pl/Continuity |
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| 00:15.23 | Jayce^ | sud95bho |
| 00:15.53 | Jayce^ | wrong channel dangit |
| 00:16.05 | Jayce^ | good thing that's a tosser :) |
| 00:16.20 | Maquis | Jayce^: glad to know i'm not the only one that does things like that |
| 00:16.27 | Jayce^ | first time I've done it |
| 00:16.54 | sjansen | ssh root@pollux.northsky.com |
| 00:17.01 | sjansen | oops, wrong window |
| 00:18.22 | sjansen | levi: http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/madore/programs/unlambda/ |
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| 00:21.21 | vontrapp | sjansen: you need to type the password when you ssh |
| 00:22.55 | vontrapp | ~lart utilities |
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| 00:24.27 | tensai | hans: iax sounds a lot better between my office and my house |
| 00:24.32 | Jayce^ | playing with xorg |
| 00:24.41 | tensai | than to your house |
| 00:25.56 | Jayce^ | trying to get the rendering to work right (tranparency) |
| 00:26.06 | Jayce^ | oh well, time to go get the food for the meeting tonight :) |
| 00:26.08 | Jayce^ | later |
| 00:26.37 | vontrapp | food? |
| 00:26.44 | Maquis | Jayce^ is bringing food tonight? |
| 00:26.46 | Maquis | mmmmm |
| 00:35.13 | emcnabb__ | I'm in Dublin on St. Patrick's day |
| 00:35.40 | sjansen | Dublin, Idaho? |
| 00:35.50 | emcnabb__ | Ohio |
| 00:36.21 | emcnabb__ | it's actually a big holiday; there are parties here all day long |
| 00:48.58 | sjansen | ~lart Debians lack of multilib |
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| 01:01.54 | ggundy | anyone going to the SWF mono thing from orem that might give a guy a ride? |
| 01:02.15 | ggundy | if you have a parking sticker that is even better! |
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| 01:04.17 | jsmith | ggundy: I'd give you a ride, if I could go. |
| 01:06.32 | ggundy | I have a car, I just have no idea where to park or sticker to park there. |
| 01:08.39 | ggundy | jsmith: Looks like the cisco 7960 gets all the way to the SIP000ED7A74BDF.cnf in sip-phones and the craps out. |
| 01:09.40 | ggundy | jsmith: But I'm getting close... |
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| 01:11.16 | Maquis | ggundy: do you know where the visitor's parking lot is? |
| 01:11.23 | Maquis | how well do you know campus? |
| 01:11.52 | Maquis | there's a pretty big parking lot behind the wilkinson center that is available for parking without stickers after 4pm |
| 01:11.59 | ggundy | so so |
| 01:12.20 | Maquis | did that make any sense at all? |
| 01:12.51 | ggundy | if you go down the hill infront of the wilk and turn left, is that the one? |
| 01:13.31 | Maquis | sounds like you're describing the right one |
| 01:13.51 | Maquis | there are actually a lot of parking lots that are open to anybody after 7 |
| 01:13.56 | Maquis | a few that are open earlier |
| 01:14.04 | Maquis | just don't park in a lot that's not open yet |
| 01:14.23 | Maquis | the parking police have been known to go around giving tickets 3 minutes before the lot opens up |
| 01:15.32 | ggundy | good to know - thanks |
| 01:15.58 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:25.30 | brailsmt | anyone have a favorite UML (as in diagrams, not virtualization) program? |
| 01:25.51 | brailsmt | i know of Dia, ArgoUML, and umbrello... |
| 01:25.58 | brailsmt | dia is a PITA, imo |
| 01:26.03 | sjansen | it is |
| 01:26.13 | sjansen | I prefer to just avoid UML. |
| 01:26.26 | sjansen | Or use a whiteboard to sketch stuff out. |
| 01:26.36 | Maquis | i can sketch on a whiteboard... |
| 01:26.58 | brailsmt | and there is no whiteboard scanner, that I know of... |
| 01:27.01 | sjansen | UML + whiteboard can be good for team design. |
| 01:27.16 | sjansen | digital camera |
| 01:27.34 | sjansen | UML should only be used long enough to flesh out an idea and turn it into code. |
| 01:28.07 | Maquis | it sat at the top of the whiteboard and displayed what was on the whiteboard on a computer |
| 01:28.15 | tensai | Maquis: they exist. I believe brailsmt meant that he didn't have one. |
| 01:28.15 | Maquis | i vaguely recall it being rather expensive, though... |
| 01:28.24 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:29.00 | brailsmt | i am no fan of BDUF, but UML diagrams are very useful for fleshing out architectures and bring designs from the abstract world of my ideas to something more concrete |
| 01:29.46 | brailsmt | that reminds me, i need to read that code as design essay... |
| 01:29.50 | brailsmt | or essays... |
| 01:30.16 | brailsmt | someone should make a UML diagram editor for PS2 :D |
| 01:31.04 | tensai | spraypaint the diagrams on the wall in half-life |
| 01:31.08 | brailsmt | then real work would get done... |
| 01:31.48 | brailsmt | anyway, no one answered my question about the uml diagram editor... |
| 01:32.02 | brailsmt | all i got were snide remarks about scanning whiteboards... |
| 01:32.03 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:32.28 | brailsmt | not that the unrealistic banter wasn't entertaining... |
| 01:32.35 | sjansen | That I'm aware, there's not really any good OSS diagrammers. And I'm not about to pay to use UML. |
| 01:32.44 | tensai | I've only ever used DIA but I've never gotten far with UML |
| 01:32.54 | sjansen | I'm serious about whiteboard+digital camera. |
| 01:33.08 | sjansen | KISS |
| 01:33.10 | Maquis | "snide"??? :( |
| 01:33.19 | brailsmt | i have used dia and argouml... i saw hans mention umbrello on his blog, but it is a kde app which means a ton of kde libs... |
| 01:34.00 | brailsmt | which i currently, (and blissfully) do not have installed on my system... |
| 01:34.31 | tensai | I've switched all my diagramming over to openoffice draw. I just need to make pretty boxes with text, nothing fancy. |
| 01:34.36 | brailsmt | gnome i can stand... |
| 01:34.39 | tensai | stuff like network layouts and such |
| 01:35.13 | brailsmt | wanna know something that is semi-evil... |
| 01:35.16 | brailsmt | sudo su - |
| 01:35.17 | brailsmt | :) |
| 01:35.17 | tensai | there's a pretty cool app that'll take dia diagrams and generate sql from them |
| 01:35.43 | tensai | sudo vi /etc/sudoers |
| 01:35.58 | brailsmt | oh, the holes one can open on their system... |
| 01:36.05 | tensai | there's lots of devious tricks like that |
| 01:36.25 | brailsmt | s/their/one's |
| 01:37.14 | tensai | are you familiar with sudo? |
| 01:37.28 | brailsmt | install sudo on your system and give me a login and put my username in /etc/sudoers and I can show you... |
| 01:37.32 | Maquis | yes |
| 01:37.48 | brailsmt | >:) |
| 01:37.58 | tensai | the idea is to allow root-like access without actually giving root. if you can run su from sudo, you've just become root. |
| 01:38.04 | Maquis | yeah |
| 01:38.07 | Maquis | i get that part |
| 01:38.09 | tensai | defeats the point. my example allows you to edit the sudo config file. |
| 01:38.17 | brailsmt | or sudo vi /etc/sudoers... youcan give yourself root |
| 01:38.27 | brailsmt | basically... |
| 01:38.35 | brailsmt | sudo is great if used right... |
| 01:38.39 | brailsmt | and sparingly |
| 01:38.40 | Maquis | but... don't you have to be in the file in order to do that? |
| 01:38.52 | Maquis | so, how is it a hole? |
| 01:39.10 | brailsmt | Maquis: you can expand your priviledges |
| 01:39.32 | Maquis | doesn't existence in the sudoers file automatically give you the ability to have root? |
| 01:39.50 | Maquis | so, why would opening /etc/sudoers let you expand your priviledges further? |
| 01:39.50 | tensai | no. you can specify which files people can run. |
| 01:39.58 | Maquis | oh... |
| 01:39.58 | tensai | s/files/commands/ |
| 01:40.04 | Maquis | ok |
| 01:40.16 | tensai | but if you let people run "su" to say turn to other normal users, you've also allowed them to become root |
| 01:40.31 | Maquis | ? |
| 01:40.43 | tensai | or if you let them run vi so they can edit the bind config, you've also allowed them to edit any file on the system |
| 01:40.59 | Maquis | OSX doesn't have su - (or at least last time i played with it...)... everything is done with sudo |
| 01:41.10 | Maquis | bind? |
| 01:41.14 | tensai | osx is a special case |
| 01:41.23 | Maquis | sorry... i'm behind |
| 01:41.26 | tensai | Bind, the dns server |
| 01:41.26 | Mecworks | Pics of the Vineyard wildfire: http://blog.mecworks.com/articles/2005/03/16/wildfire-in-vinyard/ |
| 01:41.47 | Maquis | bind is the something something name daemon, right? |
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| 01:42.17 | Maquis | hi Newsome |
| 01:42.31 | Newsome | hi |
| 01:42.31 | tensai | "berkley internet name domain" |
| 01:42.37 | Maquis | tensai: mmmk |
| 01:42.53 | Maquis | so, why would someone being able to edit bind config cause them to be able to edit any file on the system? |
| 01:42.59 | tensai | apple did something to osx so that you can't su, I think. |
| 01:43.48 | brailsmt | apple did lots of things to osx |
| 01:43.50 | tensai | if the sudoers file allows me to run "vi" then I can edit any file, not just bind |
| 01:43.51 | Maquis | uh huh.... |
| 01:44.00 | tensai | depends on how the admin set it up |
| 01:44.02 | Maquis | oh... right |
| 01:44.19 | Maquis | but what did bind have to do with anything in that comment, then? |
| 01:44.34 | tensai | nothing in particular, just an example of something you might want to edit |
| 01:44.56 | Maquis | oh... |
| 01:45.02 | Maquis | now i get it... |
| 01:45.04 | brailsmt | Maquis: he was giving a reasonable example of why you would give someone sudo priviledges to edit a file on the system... |
| 01:45.18 | brailsmt | that hen in turn gives them de facto access rights to edit any other file... |
| 01:45.45 | tensai | so either you have to list all the files somebody might possibly edit or let them edit any file |
| 01:46.03 | brailsmt | Maquis: you know now... |
| 01:46.10 | Maquis | brailsmt: yeah... |
| 01:46.19 | tensai | and knowing is half the battle |
| 01:46.24 | xbmodder | wait a minute i'll go check! |
| 01:46.37 | xbmodder | NO! were out of bear claws. |
| 01:50.38 | brailsmt | sounds...interesting...yeah... |
| 01:50.49 | Maquis | mmmm... banana |
| 01:55.37 | tensai | bananas were all rotten :( |
| 01:55.44 | tensai | ~lart walmart for selling rotten bananas |
| 02:01.21 | xbmodder | is a 12 GIG PS file ok? |
| 02:01.36 | xbmodder | right now i have a 1.5 GB PS file... |
| 02:01.39 | xbmodder | is that bad? |
| 02:03.11 | stuporglue | OSX does have su |
| 02:03.38 | stuporglue | su to root isn't enabled by default since root doesn't have a password(can't be used) by default |
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| 02:57.13 | sjansen | You're just jealous of my beard. |
| 02:58.37 | Maquis | ??? |
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| 03:23.29 | xbmodder | xbmodder.us/donate.htm |
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| 03:37.32 | mheath | Just got my Ubuntu CD's |
| 03:37.58 | mheath | heh, got a large box from the Netherlands, and I was confused. Couldn't think of anyone in the netherlands who would be sending me somthing |
| 03:38.14 | mheath | 20 x86, 5 PPC |
| 03:38.52 | Special_K | large box for just 25 cd's? |
| 03:39.01 | mheath | Well, not large... |
| 03:39.25 | mheath | I'm really happy |
| 03:39.49 | mheath | now I have a nice distro, something I can just hand to people and say "Try this" without having to help them, or give them a lengthy explanation on how to use Linux |
| 03:41.49 | mheath | Where do they get their money from? |
| 03:41.56 | mheath | I was looking on the packing info slip.... |
| 03:42.14 | mheath | they paid quite a bit to ship this |
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| 05:40.19 | tensai | ~lart fcc |
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| 05:53.05 | scott | any ebayers here? isn't there special software that's supposed to keep you up to date on what's happening with your bids? |
| 05:53.41 | scott | or was that just in the old days. does everyone just use the ebay site? |
| 05:57.08 | tensai | ebay has a program called Turbo Lister |
| 05:58.26 | tensai | last I tried it didn't work under wine |
| 05:59.11 | findlay | yeah, try root beer as in free root beer |
| 05:59.33 | scott | tensai, is it any good for buyers though or is it only for mass sellers? |
| 05:59.49 | tensai | it's only for sellers |
| 06:00.28 | scott | I was thinking of something that would pop up when I get outbid on something |
| 06:00.39 | fozz | bidwatcher |
| 06:00.56 | fozz | freshmeat it |
| 06:01.23 | fozz | Let's you snipe. |
| 06:01.26 | fozz | Pretty nice. |
| 06:02.35 | fozz | Ahh. It's just http://bidwatcher.sf.net/ |
| 06:03.46 | findlay | what would be *really* nice would be a bot that would troll ebay and amazon for things it auto-meta-deduces about your subconscious personality and buys them for you, taking advantage of one click utility of course |
| 06:04.10 | findlay | I'm sure amazon will have a patent on it Real Soon Now |
| 06:04.13 | findlay | (: |
| 06:04.14 | fozz | ;-) |
| 06:07.24 | findlay | imagine you log into your home workstation one day, check your email spool and right on top in flashing red text it says "Have you forgotten a special aniversary today? No problem! I've bought the gift already. Should be arriving at approximately 5:34ish on Tuesday." |
| 06:07.49 | findlay | blah, whatever, etc. |
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| 16:04.23 | sjansen | ~quote scoxe |
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| 16:11.05 | Newsome | not sure. I'm usually quite dashing |
| 16:11.26 | sjansen | your u's are also strange |
| 16:11.30 | sjansen | mine too! |
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| 16:12.06 | Newsome | hmm, sounds like a font problem on _your_ end! :) |
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| 16:13.33 | brailsmt | any of you guys read the fork bomb posting at /.? |
| 16:18.13 | Newsome | reading it now, but it looks like old news |
| 16:18.20 | Newsome | or non-news |
| 16:18.33 | brailsmt | new news to me... |
| 16:18.54 | brailsmt | "no gnus is good gnus with gary gnu" |
| 16:19.00 | brailsmt | :D |
| 16:20.20 | Newsome | that was a good show |
| 16:20.29 | sjansen | : { :|: } |
| 16:20.52 | sjansen | try running that on the command line |
| 16:23.04 | spr | but it didn't do anything! |
| 16:23.14 | Jayce^ | spr, so is the new club site going to be on the plug server? |
| 16:23.20 | spr | that's the plan |
| 16:23.28 | Jayce^ | then they don't need to know php :) |
| 16:23.32 | Jayce^ | they need to learn perl |
| 16:23.34 | vontrapp | it's this : { :|:; } : |
| 16:23.38 | sjansen | bah, got the syntax wrong |
| 16:23.55 | vontrapp | er, :() { :|:; } : |
| 16:24.13 | spr | bash: syntax error near unexpected token `:' |
| 16:24.15 | Jayce^ | spr, also might mention that the leader has to work with people outside of BYU like Mecworks and myself |
| 16:24.15 | sjansen | Jayce^: Oh, it could still be in PHP. |
| 16:24.23 | Jayce^ | sjansen, nah :) |
| 16:24.32 | vontrapp | er, :() { :|:; }; : |
| 16:24.36 | Jayce^ | not unless they get us another/better processors |
| 16:24.45 | sjansen | Could use PHP for want it's meant to be: a templating language. |
| 16:24.58 | sjansen | Then use SOAP to interface with bricolage. |
| 16:25.01 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:25.19 | spr | sjansen, so any language that can use the SOAP interface? |
| 16:25.28 | sjansen | yeah |
| 16:25.28 | levi | Ahh, sjansen on the crusade against PHP again. :) |
| 16:26.02 | sjansen | It's not a crusade. I don't want to eliminate all PHP. I just want to eliminate it from _my_ life. |
| 16:27.13 | Jayce^ | amen |
| 16:31.23 | JoshH | why exactly do you guys hate php so much? i understand you are perl fans and all, but what do you have against php specifically? |
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| 16:33.25 | Jayce^ | JoshH, like most languages, it's a personal taste thing overall |
| 16:33.41 | JoshH | i can understand hating, say java :) |
| 16:33.54 | Jayce^ | for me, it's the heavy amount of code that does not properly separate concerns, eg mixing logic an presentation |
| 16:33.57 | JoshH | but personally i think php and perl are both cool (though im still a beginner at both) |
| 16:34.15 | Jayce^ | also the legions of people that harp on perl being supposedly unreadable, yet code in PHP... |
| 16:34.23 | JoshH | ya that does bug me too |
| 16:34.29 | JoshH | those people |
| 16:34.54 | Jayce^ | also, I really dislike the namespacing in php, especially the hordes of functions that don't seem to follow a common naming scheme |
| 16:35.20 | Jayce^ | need something, it's a first level function instead of broken into objects/packages/etc |
| 16:35.44 | spr | Jayce^, already mentioning working with other leaders. It's point 6 on the post |
| 16:36.46 | Jayce^ | yeah, but you hid the fact that it means dealing with me... muahahahahaha |
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| 16:50.23 | brailsmt | is there anything like dtrace for linux? |
| 16:50.24 | sjansen | JoshH: Because I've suffered at the hands of PHP so often. It's just because I love Perl. I'd just as happily use Ruby instead. Even Python. |
| 16:50.30 | sjansen | brailsmt: no |
| 16:50.37 | brailsmt | dang... |
| 16:51.30 | brailsmt | http://developers.sun.com/solaris/articles/dtrace_cc.html <-- that is almost enough to turn me on... |
| 16:51.32 | sjansen | s/It's just/It's not just/ |
| 16:51.42 | sjansen | Yes, dtrace rocks. |
| 16:52.14 | brailsmt | just for dtrace |
| 16:54.20 | *** topic/#utah by spr -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, fslc.usu.edu, etc. | Utah Windows Admins Anonymous: utwaa.org | Vote goozbach for UUG president. |
| 16:54.43 | Jayce^ | rofl! |
| 17:09.11 | sjansen | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=orbitz_blows |
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| 17:12.47 | me | how can php sessions be changed to use cookies with one simple command such as init_set(use_only_cookies_you_lame_php_stuff |
| 17:12.56 | bonez39 | how does one push one's web site up the rankings, and indexing.....without spending an arm and leg? |
| 17:13.00 | bonez39 | anyone know? |
| 17:13.26 | Jayce^ | bonez39, probably going to have a joint lug meeting on that in a month or so :) |
| 17:13.59 | vontrapp | bonez39: pay all your toes and a rib or two |
| 17:14.25 | me | yeah I'm with vontrapp use other body part besides your arm or leg |
| 17:14.25 | vontrapp | less important but still valuable |
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| 17:15.29 | vontrapp | me: did you try putting the closing paren on there? |
| 17:15.41 | sjansen | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=orbitz_blows |
| 17:16.50 | me | vontrapp: yeah and it says no such variable use_only_cookeis_you_lame_php_stuff and it says so audibly in a voice similar to hal |
| 17:17.33 | me | similar to hal's voice that it |
| 17:17.37 | me | /it/is |
| 17:17.42 | me | s/it/is |
| 17:17.45 | me | :) |
| 17:18.17 | me | s/\/it\/is\/s\/it\/is/ |
| 17:19.03 | bonez39 | so, no real tricks..to move a site up the lists? |
| 17:19.12 | bonez39 | will this lug be SLUG or PLUG? |
| 17:19.17 | sjansen | bonez39: By having useful content available for free. |
| 17:19.17 | bonez39 | or do you know yet? |
| 17:20.04 | bonez39 | sjansen: hmmm useful content available for free...eh? aren't there those indexing terms..at the top of the index.html page which are supposed to help a page be recognized more easily? |
| 17:20.37 | sjansen | meta tags? they're almost ignored these days because so many people lied in them |
| 17:21.35 | bonez39 | ah....so they were abused..as it were.. |
| 17:21.41 | sjansen | yeah |
| 17:21.50 | bonez39 | people would load up the meta tag area and defeat the purpose of the system... |
| 17:21.55 | bonez39 | that's too bad |
| 17:22.14 | sjansen | there are used a little bit, if the meta tags aren't too big, and use words that are found in the body of the page they do help a little bit |
| 17:23.31 | sjansen | one of the most important things is just getting other people to link to you |
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| 17:24.24 | sjansen | with useful links like <a href="foo.com">stuffed animal fire prevention techniques</a> and not just "click here" |
| 17:24.46 | sjansen | but they have to be real links, because people have started abusing by creating link farms |
| 17:25.21 | sjansen | so search engines are now exploring ways of penalizing sites that link between each other too much, or look suspisious in other ways |
| 17:28.04 | bonez39 | sjansen: there's no magic in linking, right? just asking and make sure others are ok with us including links to them, and them linking to us? |
| 17:28.31 | sjansen | no magic, no |
| 17:28.32 | bonez39 | what is a link farm? |
| 17:28.40 | sjansen | personally, I don't bother asking |
| 17:28.55 | sjansen | some sites try to enforce linking policies, I think they don't understand the Web |
| 17:29.24 | sjansen | a link farm is a bunch of fake/mostly fake sites that link to other sites to make them look more popular |
| 17:29.24 | bonez39 | me: did you find Tom Cruise or that other dude.....pulp fiction/broken arrow/what's his name....can't dig it out right now...at the church of scientology? |
| 17:29.28 | me | bonez39: factnet.org looks like a link farm |
| 17:29.49 | Jayce^ | Travolta |
| 17:30.09 | bonez39 | sjansen: so more of that fraudulent pump up the volume sort of stuff...it's what they just convicted Ebbers from Worldcom on... |
| 17:30.14 | Jayce^ | oooh, scientology bashing, first time in #utah |
| 17:30.24 | sjansen | me: no, it looks real, just with an axe to grind |
| 17:30.37 | bonez39 | Jayce^: yeah, Mr. Travolta... |
| 17:30.54 | me | wasn't the church of scientology infamous for link farming to boost their google hits? |
| 17:32.31 | me | sjansen: how did they pull off the "google for arabian gulf" thing? |
| 17:33.14 | me | oh darn arabian-gulf.org used to be first |
| 17:38.29 | sjansen | me: you might be thinking google bombing, not link farming |
| 17:38.55 | me | is there a difference? |
| 17:39.57 | sjansen | link farming is usually done by a single (often commercial) entity, google bombing is done by a distributed group of people (often bloggers) with an agenda |
| 17:41.41 | levi | I met a pretty hardcore Scientologist guy elsewhere online. |
| 17:41.44 | me | distributed group of people == entity |
| 17:42.23 | Jayce^ | I grew up by mr L.Ron's hometown, had a lot of hardcore folks around there |
| 17:42.26 | levi | He was a pretty good guy unless you got him talking about anything relating to Scientology, at which point he was insufferable. |
| 17:42.33 | mrpull | what's the best way these days to install debian sid? |
| 17:42.57 | mrpull | install sarge and upgrade? |
| 17:43.04 | sjansen | where "single entity" usually means an seo (search engine optomization) company |
| 17:43.11 | levi | mrpull: Probably with the sarge installer. When it gets to the stage where you can edit the apt package sources, change to sid ones. |
| 17:43.28 | JoshH | mrpull: you can install sid from the sarge installer too if you use expert mode |
| 17:43.33 | levi | SEO companies must DIE. |
| 17:43.47 | sjansen | link farming is for profit, google bomb may just be for fun |
| 17:43.56 | mrpull | ok. cool. i've been wearing my Red Hat for too long.... |
| 17:44.04 | JoshH | yikes |
| 17:44.13 | JoshH | ya, switch to debian asap :P |
| 17:44.19 | me | sjansen: ok I'll agree |
| 17:44.27 | levi | SEO companies are responsible for all the blog, wiki, and referrer spam out there. |
| 17:44.42 | me | online poker found my blog |
| 17:45.05 | sjansen | it should be pointed out that there are legitimate seo's that concentrate on useablity, content, markup, and other legitimate forms of optomization |
| 17:45.09 | levi | And I wish all the people involved in it would die slow, painful deaths... starting with the rotting of their fingers. |
| 17:45.31 | me | levi: scientology |
| 17:45.41 | levi | Okay, I will redirect my ire to illegitimate SEO companies, then. |
| 17:45.41 | me | scientology basing 2nd time in #utah? |
| 17:45.53 | levi | me: What about scientology? |
| 17:46.11 | Jayce^ | levi, you sure you have't been hanging around sjansen long? that sounds just like one of his opinions.. |
| 17:46.17 | me | oh I thought you wanted scient... to die a slow painful deat |
| 17:46.20 | me | h |
| 17:46.33 | levi | me: No, freaking blog-spammers. |
| 17:46.53 | Jayce^ | ooooooh, I hate blog-spammers |
| 17:46.57 | levi | Jayce^: That was a fact followed by a wish. No opinions involved. :) |
| 17:47.14 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 17:47.45 | levi | Jayce^: Fact - SEO companies are responsible for blog, wiki, and referrer spam. Wish - that the perpetrators of such spam die. |
| 17:48.12 | me | hey if you look up chruch in google guess which one is first |
| 17:48.51 | levi | The Presbyterian Church, when I do it. |
| 17:48.52 | sjansen | ~google chruch |
| 17:49.39 | me | huh I got LDS.org as the first non news link |
| 17:50.25 | sjansen | that first link ibot gave was funny |
| 17:50.25 | levi | LDS.org was second for me. |
| 17:50.25 | me | ibot: was that google or some other search engine if it be some other search engine.... |
| 17:50.27 | goozbach | ~google church |
| 17:51.11 | Jayce^ | chruch vs church |
| 17:51.15 | goozbach | ~dict chruch |
| 17:51.33 | me | ~dict scientology |
| 17:52.39 | Jayce^ | more like characterized by high pressure sales, and lawyer tactics for conversational dominance ... |
| 17:52.40 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 17:52.56 | levi | Speaking of weird sci-fi-ish churches, anyone ever heard of the Urantia book? |
| 17:53.23 | Jayce^ | no |
| 17:54.57 | me | no |
| 17:55.28 | me | anyone heard of O brother where art thou? |
| 17:55.35 | levi | I've run across it a couple of times. First on my mission in San Diego, and just recently in the hands of a friend's neighbor. |
| 17:56.00 | JoshH | levi: what is it? |
| 17:56.07 | me | yeah what does it do |
| 17:56.24 | levi | http://www.urantia.org/ |
| 17:56.57 | levi | It's a book that purports to talk about the real origin of Jesus, God, et. al. |
| 17:57.37 | levi | It also claims to be authored by celestial beings. |
| 17:58.40 | sjansen | Looks like 1955 was a seminal year for new religions. |
| 17:59.12 | sjansen | "The Urantia Book, first published by the Urantia Foundation in 1955, was authored by celestial beings as a special revelation to our planet, Urantia." |
| 17:59.46 | me | speaking of google were the lyrics to "Didn't leave nobody but the baby" written for O brother where art thou or are they older than the movie? |
| 18:00.16 | sjansen | pretty sure all of O Brother was classic bluegrass and gospel |
| 18:00.53 | me | yeah I'm trying to find history for that particular song |
| 18:01.32 | me | I think it's and old gospel song but my friend thinks it is written for the movie |
| 18:01.48 | levi | Here's another page about Urantia: http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/uran.html |
| 18:07.59 | levi | Anyway, Urantia and Scientology are both weird sci-fi takes on religion, and I in no way endorse either of them. |
| 18:08.33 | Jayce^ | suuuuuure |
| 18:08.43 | Jayce^ | The first track on the album, "Music For Multiple Dimensions", was the first piece of music commissioned by and composed for the National Centre for Popular Music in Sheffield, and is performed there several times daily in the Soundscapes 3D auditorium. |
| 18:08.43 | Jayce^ | The album was created using Animix 3D visualisation software and a Lake Huron 3D audio processor, Animix being specifically written to help create pieces of music for the auditorium. |
| 18:08.43 | Jayce^ | The CD comes complete with a unique 3D foldout inlay with digital imagery by Martyn Ware. |
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| 18:15.36 | jakea | hmmmm, ya maybe I should donate a couple of bucks |
| 18:15.40 | levi | Letting Trek die doesn't imply endorsing its replacement in a particular timeslot. |
| 18:15.48 | Maquis | goo for president! |
| 18:16.13 | jakea | Maquis, do you have 3 million I can borrow? |
| 18:16.20 | Maquis | 3 million? |
| 18:16.32 | jakea | right, I mean 4 million |
| 18:16.41 | Maquis | hmmm... i might have 3 million oxygen molecules floating around here... |
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| 18:18.29 | jakea | hans: You into Dr. Who, can I start talking that with you in a couple of weeks? |
| 18:18.39 | hans | I love dr. who |
| 18:18.54 | hans | In fact, I have my dvr set to record some this weekend. but I assume you're talking the new one |
| 18:19.00 | hans | is it going to be here in the us too? |
| 18:21.48 | hans | did you mean donate to some fund to keep enterprise going? I'd donate if B&B were guaranteed fired and the current staff is guaranteed control |
| 18:24.22 | Bradipo | Wow, I'm impressed. I didn't know anyone else even knew what Dr Who was. |
| 18:24.53 | hans | I didn't realize people _didn't_ know what dr who was until I met my wife. ;-) |
| 18:25.09 | sjansen | And you still married her? |
| 18:25.13 | hans | but she didn't know about knight rider either, so I think she's an invalid data point |
| 18:25.14 | Bradipo | I have a bunch of Dr Who episodes that I recorded from PBS close to 15 years ago. |
| 18:25.18 | Bradipo | All on VHS of course. |
| 18:25.58 | Bradipo | My wife thinks I'm a nut for watching old reruns of Dr Who, but I can't help it. :-) |
| 18:26.01 | hans | now, I don't pretend to ever have understood an episode of doctor who. I was too young and dint' watch regularly |
| 18:26.09 | hans | the theme song alone is worth it |
| 18:27.14 | levi | I love Dr Who. |
| 18:27.23 | levi | I used to watch it when I was little, too. |
| 18:28.26 | levi | hans: Have you heard the KLF (aka The Timelords, aka The JAMMs) version of the Dr Who theme? |
| 18:29.13 | hans | not sure |
| 18:29.28 | Bradipo | My favorite was Peter Davison. |
| 18:29.30 | sjansen | levi: They put out one rocking CD. My brother has it. |
| 18:29.55 | Bradipo | Wow, looks like they're starting a new series. |
| 18:29.57 | levi | sjansen: They put out several CDs, under several different names. |
| 18:30.03 | levi | sjansen: Which one are you referring to? |
| 18:30.22 | sjansen | Their Dr. Who theme. |
| 18:30.36 | Bradipo | 26th March they are launching a new series. |
| 18:30.55 | Bradipo | The guy on there doesn't quite look like what I would expect out of a Doctor Who. |
| 18:31.09 | sjansen | too buff? |
| 18:32.25 | levi | What's really weird is imagining Johnny Depp as Willy Wonka. |
| 18:32.47 | sjansen | I don't know. I'll have to see the movie, the casting sounds like pure genius. |
| 18:33.03 | Maquis | johnny depp as willy wonka???? |
| 18:33.06 | sjansen | Read the books, Wonka's a pretty dark, disturbing character with a thin candy coating. |
| 18:33.22 | bonez39 | I bet Depp will do a great job with it... |
| 18:33.26 | bonez39 | He's talented.. |
| 18:33.39 | sjansen | If the rest of the movie isn't ruined by the director. |
| 18:33.50 | bonez39 | wassa good site for help designing a web? |
| 18:34.02 | sjansen | bloglines.com |
| 18:34.04 | levi | I'm sure he will do a good job, it's just a significant departure from the previous movie version. |
| 18:34.19 | sjansen | bonez39: I'm kidding about that link. |
| 18:34.35 | bonez39 | sjansen: ok..;) |
| 18:34.52 | sjansen | I'm not aware of any one good link. Most of what I know, I've learned from other Web designers blogs. (Using bloglines to collect them.) |
| 18:35.10 | bonez39 | ah.... |
| 18:36.34 | bonez39 | my wife made me a list..and I am trying to do some of the things..our designer is busy: here's what I need to do..visitor counter/tracker, calendar linked to our client database to show upcoming seminars (using sugarcrm which uses mysql) .. where we keep our calendar and client data.. |
| 18:37.40 | Jayce^ | depp seems a great fit for wonka |
| 18:38.49 | levi | He's just quite different from Gene Wilder. |
| 18:39.15 | sjansen | indeed |
| 18:39.22 | Jayce^ | but look at the director too |
| 18:41.13 | jakea | hans: yes, I'm talking about the new who: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/ |
| 18:41.31 | jakea | hans: And yes, B&B would need to get fired |
| 18:42.36 | levi | The trailer for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is up at: http://chocolatefactorymovie.warnerbros.com/ |
| 18:42.58 | hans | so will it air here, though? |
| 18:43.06 | hans | I don't get any bbc channels |
| 18:43.10 | levi | Or you can see it (and the Ep III trailer) when you watch Robots, which I highly recommend. |
| 18:43.22 | Maquis | robots? |
| 18:43.35 | levi | Maquis: Boy, you're out of the movie loop. |
| 18:43.54 | hans | is robots good then? |
| 18:43.54 | Maquis | levi: nothing new there... |
| 18:43.59 | hans | what is it most like? |
| 18:44.02 | levi | I really liked Robots. |
| 18:44.10 | sjansen | Maquis: Effective immediately, you are prohibited from talking about current culture unless you are participating in it. |
| 18:44.24 | Maquis | "current culture"? |
| 18:44.29 | levi | Maquis: You would have seen a trailer for it if you'd watched The Incredibles. |
| 18:44.45 | Maquis | nope... |
| 18:44.59 | Maquis | haven't been there either... |
| 18:45.20 | levi | hans: It's oozing with style, from the design of the characters and scenery to the soundtrack. And Robin Williams is very funny. |
| 18:45.22 | bonez39 | Maquis: you gotta get out more.....pull away from the PC..;) |
| 18:46.03 | Maquis | bonez39: yeah...yeah...yeah... |
| 18:47.00 | jakea | hans: From what I've read, so far no, but nothing official has been said |
| 18:47.13 | mrpull | argh.... cdimage.debian.org seems to be down for me |
| 18:47.24 | jakea | although.... sci fi turned it down. Dorks. |
| 18:47.24 | mrpull | anyone else get there? |
| 18:47.49 | jakea | CBC in Canada is going to air it, I have a friend in Canada that said she would send me tapes |
| 18:47.56 | jakea | course, there is always torrient |
| 18:48.21 | levi | hans: There's a Tom Waits song in the soundtrack. That scores a lot of points in my book. :) |
| 18:48.35 | levi | hans: Shrek 2 got points with that one, too. |
| 18:50.04 | Bradipo | Is the new Dr Who going to air on PBS? |
| 18:56.56 | mrpull | ok. every stinking debian cd mirror I pick seems to be broken. Anyone got a link for a sarge netinstall ISO? |
| 18:57.49 | hans | mrpull: why not jigdo? |
| 18:58.02 | mrpull | downloading on a windows box :) |
| 18:58.14 | hans | there's jigdo for windows iirc |
| 18:58.37 | mrpull | probably so... it was a PITA the last time i tinkered with it. |
| 18:58.38 | hans | i have one about a month old I could upload to a public web space |
| 18:59.02 | mrpull | is it small? |
| 19:01.08 | mrpull | what the heck. i'll try jigdo on win32 again :) |
| 19:01.19 | hans | -rw-r--r-- 1 fugalh fugalh 35M Nov 21 15:09 sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 19:01.19 | hans | -rw-r--r-- 1 fugalh fugalh 108M Nov 21 15:11 sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:02.06 | hans | guess it's a couple of months old |
| 19:02.22 | mrpull | yeah. thanks for the offer tho. |
| 19:09.32 | brailsmt | "Nothing important is happening today." -- King George III of England, July 4, 1776 |
| 19:10.21 | mrpull | ....and the jigdo files for "testing" are on cdimage.debian.org which is down :-/ |
| 19:16.04 | goozbach | o/~ SHAFT!!! o/~ |
| 19:20.07 | goozbach | ~mock sjansen |
| 19:20.11 | ibot | ACTION pulls sjansen's pants down and shows the world sjansen's pink spotted underwear |
| 19:20.42 | Maquis | goozbach: be nice... |
| 19:21.45 | sjansen | heh |
| 19:21.51 | sjansen | it's doing it by design |
| 19:22.15 | sjansen | well, guess that means I'm not going to fix it unless someone else complains |
| 19:22.16 | Maquis | it's a "feature" |
| 19:22.17 | goozbach | heh |
| 19:23.36 | sjansen | well, that's everything on my list |
| 19:23.58 | Maquis | sjansen: is there going to be something farther down on the main page? |
| 19:24.07 | Maquis | the big blue box is kinda big... |
| 19:24.45 | sjansen | Lamont and I talked to Dax and Bryan about that yesterday. We're going to have to work on them some more to convince them the homepage should be made more useable. |
| 19:24.58 | sjansen | But I wasn't planning on getting that right for this release anyway. |
| 19:25.07 | Maquis | the homepage has cool graphics, but is kind of an odd shape |
| 19:25.31 | Maquis | "blurb about latest distributions" |
| 19:27.05 | Maquis | ooh... nice "testimonials" |
| 19:27.23 | Maquis | and no answer to one of the questions on the FAQ |
| 19:28.00 | Maquis | and some of the FAQs could use some grammar checking.... :) |
| 19:28.03 | sjansen | that's content, I'm not doing content |
| 19:28.23 | Maquis | you might yell at the content person to check their grammar under "Do you have good instructors" |
| 19:28.26 | Maquis | :) |
| 19:29.52 | Maquis | sjansen: so, which parts should i nitpick at you for? |
| 19:33.03 | spr | ~lart jabber weirdness |
| 19:34.03 | hans | what's so weird about jabber? |
| 19:34.20 | sjansen | spr and I are have syncronozation problems |
| 19:34.26 | sjansen | sometimes we just can't see each other |
| 19:34.42 | sjansen | I blame gentoo. |
| 19:34.49 | spr | I blame sjansen |
| 19:35.02 | sjansen | I blame spr and sjansen! |
| 19:35.08 | sjansen | I blame spr and sjansen and gentoo! |
| 19:35.27 | spr | dang it. I'm always losing |
| 19:42.28 | Bradipo | brailsmt: King George III was partially right. The actual document didn't get completely signed off and put into law for months after it was drafted. |
| 19:46.32 | hans | spr: maybe that's why you always win at LUG drawings |
| 19:50.41 | sjansen | no, that's because he bribes Jayce^ |
| 19:52.43 | spr | I do no such thing |
| 19:53.39 | Jayce^ | was rather strange that his name came up last night |
| 19:53.50 | Jayce^ | but not as strange as all 3 fugals present :) |
| 19:54.11 | hans | and all 3 winning |
| 19:54.14 | hans | that was the oddest part |
| 19:54.18 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 19:54.21 | hans | usually we get stiffed |
| 19:54.30 | Jayce^ | you look at that book/mag/mook yet? |
| 19:54.38 | neybar | so how was the meeting last night anyway? |
| 19:54.42 | Jayce^ | pretty cool |
| 19:54.43 | hans | yeah, pretty cool. I'm itchin' to make the 5-in-one network cable |
| 19:54.47 | Jayce^ | lotsa giveaways |
| 19:54.56 | neybar | I want to try the arial photography. |
| 19:55.12 | Jayce^ | I wanted that high performance linux clustering book, shoulda just not brought it :) |
| 19:55.43 | neybar | and the rail gun. |
| 19:55.51 | Jayce^ | that would be a fun toy at work |
| 19:56.13 | Jayce^ | nail orbit in the back :) |
| 19:58.53 | Maquis | the rail guy looked like a ton of fun |
| 20:03.17 | Maquis | ???? |
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| 20:10.13 | hans | sorry, maquis. current culture |
| 20:10.25 | Maquis | ~lart hans |
| 20:14.18 | hans | ~gag |
| 20:14.19 | ibot | A graphical boot manager, with a lot of interesting features.. URL: http://www.arrakis.es/~scostas/gageng.htm |
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| 20:16.00 | sjansen | Hot on the heels of Google X, further proof that Google is losing control of it's employees: |
| 20:16.11 | Jayce^ | mmmm, googlex |
| 20:16.14 | sjansen | http://www.livejournal.com/users/gleemie/94676.html <-- This was just linked from the official google blog. |
| 20:17.35 | brailsmt | will "sed 's/asdf/xxxx/g' < file > file" work as expected? |
| 20:17.57 | brailsmt | or do I have to do "cat file | sed... > file"? |
| 20:18.32 | sjansen | If you're on linux, you can use sed -i |
| 20:18.46 | sjansen | otherwise, neither of what you suggest will work |
| 20:18.57 | hans | brailsmt: you'll truncate it before you do anything interesting |
| 20:19.00 | hans | -i is your friend. |
| 20:19.00 | sjansen | (go ahead and try them on test data, then ponder what went wrong) |
| 20:21.49 | hans | avatars make me sick |
| 20:22.22 | bucky | what's your avatar hans ? |
| 20:22.41 | hans | bucky: you must be joking. |
| 20:22.53 | hans | I'd have to shoot myself if I even thought of having an avatar |
| 20:23.15 | hans | or participating on one of those stupid avatar-polluted LOL webforums WTF ROFL |
| 20:24.16 | vontrapp | lol |
| 20:25.07 | Jayce^ | speaking of sourdough, Good Eats on wednesday was on baking bread, some great examples |
| 20:25.44 | Jayce^ | talked about sourdough starts, etc.. |
| 20:26.01 | hans | hmm. how did I miss that? |
| 20:26.16 | Bradipo | Anyone here have a good sourdough start? |
| 20:26.19 | hans | good eats is one of the things I browse with the dvr |
| 20:26.21 | hans | I do |
| 20:26.28 | hans | or did. haven't used it in awhile |
| 20:26.31 | Jayce^ | hehe, must be new here :) |
| 20:26.43 | hans | but if it's not good, I will revive it and then it will be good. :) |
| 20:27.30 | Bradipo | Jayce^: I don't actually have one yet, however, I do want to start a biga (not sure what it is called in English, but it's like a yeast start). |
| 20:27.46 | Jayce^ | http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/show_ea/episode/0,1976,FOOD_9956_37184,00.html |
| 20:27.58 | Bradipo | Pizza and focaccia is much better made from a biga. |
| 20:27.59 | hans | biga, poolish, whatever. they're all starts |
| 20:28.03 | hans | levain au natural |
| 20:28.04 | Jayce^ | then check out that show |
| 20:28.07 | Bradipo | There you go. |
| 20:28.15 | Jayce^ | he talks about how to do that |
| 20:28.18 | hans | which is loosely termed sourdough in the states, although all are definitely not sour. |
| 20:28.36 | Jayce^ | it's on at 7 tonight |
| 20:28.55 | Bradipo | Where do you store such a start anyway? |
| 20:28.58 | Jayce^ | depending on if you are cable or dish though |
| 20:29.42 | hans | Bradipo: depends on how often you use it |
| 20:29.54 | hans | counter or fridge. freezer for long-term (backup) storage |
| 20:33.47 | hans | Jayce^: dish |
| 20:34.15 | Jayce^ | make sure to get that one scheduled in, you'll enjoy |
| 20:34.35 | Jayce^ | while you'll know most of it, he has some great ways of explaining certain things |
| 20:36.50 | brailsmt | i was always under the impression that "cat file | blah > file" worked... |
| 20:37.08 | brailsmt | and this will be on a solaris system... |
| 20:37.12 | brailsmt | :( |
| 20:37.23 | brailsmt | so -i is out... |
| 20:37.59 | brailsmt | how do you change the seperator character in a shell to be newlines only, not just whitespace? |
| 20:38.25 | vontrapp | brailsmt: it would depend on the program i guess |
| 20:38.49 | vontrapp | if one of the programs in the pipeline takes all input till eof before spitting anything out, then it would work |
| 20:38.59 | vontrapp | otherwise, your file gets truncated before your done reading it |
| 20:39.40 | levi | hans: You ever check out The Bread Baker's Apprentice? |
| 20:39.45 | brailsmt | i thought sed was of the former... |
| 20:39.46 | vontrapp | sed is one program that will read one line, do whatever, then spit out before getting the next line |
| 20:39.54 | brailsmt | grrr... |
| 20:40.06 | vontrapp | and when it goes to get that next line, the file is changed |
| 20:40.32 | sjansen | Bradipo: IFS |
| 20:41.03 | sjansen | vontrapp: it isn't a function of the program but the shell |
| 20:41.21 | sjansen | perhaps ksh is more friendly in this regard, but IIRC it isn't |
| 20:41.44 | sjansen | Bradipo: ignore that, meant for brailsmt |
| 20:41.52 | sjansen | brailsmt: $IFS |
| 20:42.02 | brailsmt | cat file | sed... > file has always worked for me in bash |
| 20:42.27 | brailsmt | too bad other shells aren't bash |
| 20:42.31 | brailsmt | namely ksh |
| 20:42.51 | brailsmt | sjansen: that for ksh as well? |
| 20:43.01 | sjansen | brailsmt: yes |
| 20:43.41 | brailsmt | thx |
| 20:44.10 | vontrapp | IFS ? International Food Standard? |
| 20:45.01 | brailsmt | Internet Foo Standard |
| 20:45.09 | brailsmt | Icky File System |
| 20:46.20 | brailsmt | Is Football, Soccer? |
| 20:46.48 | vontrapp | futbol |
| 20:47.09 | sjansen | internal field seperator |
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| 21:00.56 | brailsmt | is there a lookup for unix passwords? or just windows? |
| 21:01.09 | brailsmt | lookup of the crypted string |
| 21:05.48 | sjansen | you mean database mapping password to crypted version? |
| 21:29.07 | brailsmt | yeah, i remember reading about something like tha on /. a month or two ago... they had mapped all possible crypted passwd strings to the password... |
| 21:29.26 | brailsmt | can't remember if that was only for win passwords though... |
| 21:29.51 | sjansen | check john the ripper for one |
| 21:30.01 | brailsmt | after I change $IFS, do I have to reset it before exiting the script? |
| 21:31.22 | sjansen | unless you're sourcing it, no |
| 21:31.26 | sjansen | but it's still a good habit |
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| 21:45.06 | goozbach | levi: triple des encription, call-backs, 2048bit pub/pri keys |
| 21:45.19 | brailsmt | is there a mozilla extension to edit mouse gestures? |
| 21:45.24 | brailsmt | -or- |
| 21:45.25 | goozbach | and the ability to make waffles |
| 21:45.33 | brailsmt | how do I change mouse gestures? |
| 21:46.12 | levi | goozbach: That'd be nice if I had a processor with some guts and room for libraries to support all that. |
| 21:47.17 | vontrapp | levi: what protocol? |
| 21:48.57 | levi | vontrapp: A custom protocol for controlling this device. |
| 21:50.46 | vontrapp | and what is the device? |
| 21:50.49 | levi | I'm coming to the conclusion that embedded linux really sucks when used with systems below a certain processor/storage threshhold. |
| 21:51.08 | Maquis | triple des encryption? |
| 21:51.32 | levi | vontrapp: It's a cluster management device. It's small, has a wimpy processor, and has little RAM or flash. |
| 21:53.05 | sjansen | so make it bigger and give it RAM to breathe |
| 21:53.16 | brailsmt | levi: most things really suck below a certain processor/storage threshold... |
| 21:53.27 | brailsmt | take the human brain for example... |
| 21:53.31 | brailsmt | :D |
| 21:53.44 | dataw0lf | comparing computer hardware and the human brain is cheesy. |
| 21:53.57 | brailsmt | some people, just don't have the processing power... |
| 21:54.12 | hans | anyone need TR-3 tapes? |
| 21:54.13 | brailsmt | and as we get older, our storage threshold diminishes |
| 21:54.39 | dataw0lf | everyone is about the same intelligence. What really matters is drive and the willingness to work hard. |
| 21:55.09 | brailsmt | dataw0lf: taking this a bit personal? I was attempting humor... |
| 21:55.14 | brailsmt | h-u-m-o-r |
| 21:56.05 | sjansen | In all seriousness, we are not all created equal. Some are smarter than others. |
| 21:56.15 | JoshH | that is true |
| 21:56.21 | Jayce^ | and then you have sjansen |
| 21:56.22 | JoshH | ive met some complete morons |
| 21:56.26 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 21:56.29 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:56.32 | JoshH | lol |
| 21:56.35 | vontrapp | hey, just because i'm stupid doesn't mean you have to compare me to levi's device, and you don't have to get on dataw0lf for trying to defend me either |
| 21:56.36 | sjansen | Partially because of genetics, partially because of unfortunate things like fetal alchol. |
| 21:56.41 | brailsmt | mainly perl programmers... |
| 21:56.56 | Jayce^ | yeah, we're the smarter ones :) |
| 21:57.03 | brailsmt | not |
| 21:57.03 | Jayce^ | I am so smart... s-m-r-t |
| 21:57.05 | Jayce^ | d'oh |
| 21:57.32 | brailsmt | w r prgmmrs w dnt nd vwls |
| 21:57.39 | brailsmt | :D |
| 21:58.20 | Jayce^ | talk about bad flashbacks, talking to a guy this week that still programs in RPG |
| 22:00.07 | brailsmt | nethack, dnd? |
| 22:00.12 | goozbach | http://bash.org/?182213 |
| 22:05.25 | Jayce^ | no, programming language |
| 22:05.29 | Jayce^ | as/400's |
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| 22:17.56 | brailsmt | Jayce^: i know... |
| 22:18.04 | brailsmt | acronym clashes are fun though... |
| 22:30.27 | vontrapp | hehe, that's a good bash quote |
| 22:32.28 | bucky | ~seen levi |
| 22:32.30 | ibot | levi is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 40m 58s |
| 22:32.55 | vontrapp | ~seen bucky |
| 22:32.56 | ibot | bucky is currently on #utah (2h 29m 16s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 28s |
| 22:33.31 | bucky | i seen me |
| 22:33.36 | bucky | heya levi |
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| 22:35.27 | bucky | fridays are always crunch time for levi |
| 22:39.50 | levi | Heh. |
| 22:39.55 | levi | Heya. |
| 22:40.27 | bucky | levi, you wouldn't happen to be working on an IC simulator in software would you? |
| 22:41.04 | levi | Nope. |
| 22:41.17 | bucky | just embeded devices? |
| 22:51.32 | Maquis | ~seen spr |
| 22:51.34 | ibot | spr <~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2h 58m 51s ago, saying: 'I do no such thing'. |
| 22:52.52 | levi | bucky: Yup. |
| 23:01.23 | bucky | have a nice weekend |
| 23:12.55 | sjansen | evince rocks |
| 23:17.35 | jsmith | Man, what a pain! |
| 23:18.39 | jsmith | Gee, so Qwest is nice enough to give me a new DSL router, as they blame their line problems on my Cisco 678. |
| 23:18.41 | goozbach | http://bash.org/?406381 |
| 23:19.06 | jsmith | And now, the stupid Actiontec goes nuts once a day and starts dropping about 20% of my packets. |
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| 23:23.12 | Maquis | goozbach: :) |
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| 23:44.43 | Maquis | sjansen: sup yo? |
| 23:45.21 | sjansen | a drop tile ceiling, flourescent lighting, air vents, a projector, and fire sprinklers |
| 23:45.26 | sjansen | should I go higher? |
| 23:53.36 | goozbach | friocorte: still here? |
| 23:53.42 | goozbach | friocorte: ping |