| 00:03.31 | sjansen | More putty beatings! |
| 00:09.03 | sjansen | ~putty Jayce^ |
| 00:09.39 | sjansen | ibot: putty $who is <action> rolls a thick putty bat and beats $who with it |
| 00:09.40 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 00:09.48 | sjansen | ~putty hans |
| 00:09.51 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats hans with it |
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| 00:20.51 | vontrapp | what is a linux program to reset the password in winnt? |
| 00:21.06 | vontrapp | or can i just delete sam? |
| 00:21.45 | hans | vontrapp: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hda1 |
| 00:22.16 | vontrapp | harhar |
| 00:22.21 | sjansen | for I in /dev/hd*[0-9]; do mkfs -t ext3 $I; done |
| 00:22.59 | vontrapp | knoppix comes with a program to do it, right? but i'm not running knoppix |
| 00:23.35 | Bradipo | There is a bootable CD image out there that may be able to do it. |
| 00:25.31 | goozbach | I'm upset |
| 00:25.41 | goozbach | I'm teaching at that trainig center next month |
| 00:25.58 | sjansen | ~putty goozbach |
| 00:26.00 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats goozbach with it |
| 00:26.03 | goozbach | gonna have to set up a socks proxy to catch ssh on port 280 |
| 00:26.15 | goozbach | ~putty flarty |
| 00:26.17 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats flarty with it |
| 00:26.32 | sjansen | heh, missed |
| 00:26.42 | sjansen | ~putty goozbach |
| 00:26.44 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats goozbach with it |
| 00:26.46 | goozbach | ~putty sjansen |
| 00:26.48 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats sjansen with it |
| 00:29.11 | sjansen | Wow. Bricolage really is industrial strength. |
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| 00:45.23 | vontrapp | i try to cat > /dev/fd0 and it says read-only file system |
| 00:45.34 | vontrapp | why would it do that? |
| 00:46.10 | vontrapp | mnothing is mounted ro |
| 00:47.25 | vontrapp | ah, it was the floppy's write protect tab |
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| 01:11.58 | Maquis | ~putty me |
| 01:12.00 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats maquis with it |
| 01:12.20 | SpecialK | ~putty ECS |
| 01:12.22 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats ECS with it |
| 01:12.35 | SpecialK | ~putty me |
| 01:12.37 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats specialk with it |
| 01:12.52 | javert42 | I'm guessing ibot is using that amazing blue Guru putty. |
| 01:14.07 | SpecialK | ibot, curious that you would go to the trouble of putting the me substitution into lower case |
| 01:34.55 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:36.46 | sjansen | ~lart Marius for being a blind jerk |
| 01:37.11 | sjansen | ~putty Marius |
| 01:37.13 | ibot | ACTION rolls a thick putty bat and beats Marius with it |
| 01:41.47 | sjansen | ~o There's a grief that can't be spoken, there's a pain goes on and on... o~ |
| 01:42.14 | SpecialK | I was afraid that was what you were referring to. |
| 01:42.28 | sjansen | What do you mean? |
| 01:43.05 | sjansen | If you mean putty beating Marius, it was actually because of Cosette and Epenine. |
| 01:44.25 | SpecialK | well, he couldn't make everyone happy. |
| 01:44.40 | sjansen | He was an idiot. Cosette was a pretty face. |
| 01:45.03 | sjansen | And then he cut off Jean Val Jean. Jerk. |
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| 01:52.04 | sjansen | ~o If there's another way to go, I missed it twenty long years ago! o~ |
| 01:55.40 | sjansen | ~o Jean Valjean is nothing now. Another story must be begiiinnn! o~ |
| 01:55.41 | ibot | okay, sjansen |
| 01:55.47 | sjansen | heh |
| 01:56.17 | sjansen | ~o At the end of the day, you're another day older. o~ |
| 02:13.03 | tensai | wow. who'd have thought that eating frozen burritos every day for two weeks would make you sick of them. |
| 02:14.17 | tensai | sjansen: I'm preparing to merge the ispman tree into ou=imap tonight |
| 02:14.17 | sjansen | The same is true of mac & cheese and ramen |
| 02:16.14 | Maquis | doh! |
| 02:16.32 | tensai | her name is Stu |
| 02:18.03 | tensai | was it blue and screeching obscenities? |
| 02:18.19 | sjansen | black and very scared but quiet |
| 02:18.37 | tensai | sorry, not her then |
| 02:19.20 | tensai | did you know that a common cause of death among pet birds is fear? |
| 02:20.00 | sjansen | Gavroche rocks. |
| 02:23.39 | Maquis | sjansen: you could've killed that poor bird in your apartment!!!! |
| 02:27.49 | sjansen | ~o Red: the blood of angry men. Black: the dark of ages past. Red: a world about to dawn. Black: the night that ends at last. o~ |
| 02:28.31 | sjansen | ~o Red: I feel my soul on fire. Black: my world and she's not there. Red: the color of desire. Black: the color of despair. o~ |
| 02:41.02 | sjansen | ~lart Marius again for good measure |
| 02:44.49 | tensai | sjansen: you misspelled Maquis |
| 02:45.01 | Maquis | |lart tensai |
| 02:45.07 | Maquis | bah! |
| 02:45.09 | tensai | haha! |
| 02:45.10 | Maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 02:45.14 | tensai | ~lart brigham |
| 02:45.19 | tensai | ooh, ouch |
| 02:45.25 | Maquis | ~lart tensai |
| 02:46.46 | sjansen | And there goes the dagger. |
| 02:47.04 | spr | mmm.. halbreds.. |
| 03:09.35 | sjansen | someone needs to be beat down: http://www.successories.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/home.home/successories_coun |
| 03:11.12 | Maquis | better successories: despair.com |
| 03:21.11 | Maquis | i think i'd be somewhat motivated if i had a boss give me a mug from despair.com... i'd know that i was working for a really cool boss... |
| 03:33.40 | sjansen | http://www.despair.com/demotivators/cluelessness.html |
| 03:39.32 | sjansen | http://www.despair.com/demotivators/goals.html <-- that's a great picture |
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| 03:42.44 | Maquis | http://www.despair.com/demotivators/limitations.html <-- my favorite |
| 03:43.16 | findlay | http://movies.apple.com/movies/dreamworks/wallace_and_gromit/wallace_and_gromit-fte_m480.mov |
| 03:43.22 | findlay | ha |
| 03:43.27 | findlay | mine's longer |
| 03:43.39 | sjansen | A new wallace and gromit?! |
| 03:43.46 | findlay | indeed |
| 03:44.56 | sjansen | with so many, I can't pick just one |
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| 03:48.03 | sjansen | gah! no sound! |
| 03:48.13 | findlay | mplayer? |
| 03:48.46 | findlay | there's a wmv version that's lower quality |
| 03:48.48 | findlay | http://212.100.255.23/media/video/Wallace_and_Gromit_Trailer_330k.wmv |
| 03:50.38 | Maquis | findlay: just remember that when he's not at work, your bandwidth is probably better than his... :) |
| 03:50.52 | Maquis | sjansen: if it's any consolation, i have sound, but not the picture... |
| 03:52.16 | sjansen | Maquis: perfect! Let's both play it at the same time. Starting in 5... 4... 3... |
| 03:52.23 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:53.21 | Maquis | but then again, there's the trouble of figuring the picture out with aaxine... |
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| 03:58.42 | findlay | has anyone ever been typing in IRC and wanted to <tab>-complete the words you are thinking of? (: |
| 03:58.44 | sjansen | Anyone here read the Buniculla series? The new wallace and gromit reminds me of it. |
| 03:58.51 | sjansen | findlay: regularily |
| 03:59.22 | findlay | because most command line commands are tab completeable |
| 03:59.24 | Maquis | findlay: yeah... |
| 03:59.34 | findlay | lol |
| 03:59.37 | Maquis | i've done it in all types of apps... |
| 03:59.56 | Maquis | most annoying is in gaim.... it won't even tab-complete the nick of the person you're talking to |
| 04:08.28 | tensai | 13 hours at work |
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| 04:09.09 | mheath | Any Linux gurus alive tonight? |
| 04:09.45 | tensai | sjansen: aren't you at GL HQ? |
| 04:09.59 | sjansen | tensai: I am. |
| 04:10.36 | mheath | I have a question about the /etc/resolv.conf, anyone familiar with this? |
| 04:10.53 | sjansen | mheath: What is your question my son? |
| 04:11.44 | mheath | Well, slackware by default adds a "search [your domainname]" line to the file |
| 04:12.16 | mheath | While I discovered that this line isn't really necessary for my situation, I was just curious why this line seems to cause some really weird resolution problems |
| 04:12.38 | mheath | say I type in "http://somerandomdomainnamethatdoesntexist.com" |
| 04:13.04 | mheath | It *used* to be this resolved as the same as "http://datamachine.net" |
| 04:13.33 | mheath | Now its resolving as some really weird thing, which I don't know...("BeckyKoppel.com") |
| 04:14.11 | mheath | I think it might be my router, because I've been experiencing some other weird (though different) problems with several other computers on the network |
| 04:14.40 | sjansen | I'd look at your DNS server first. |
| 04:14.56 | sjansen | Unless your router is also a cacheing name server. |
| 04:15.03 | mheath | The router is the DNS server for all machines on our network, and I think it does DNS caching (and otherwise asks our ISPs stuff)...I'm worried that cache somehow got broken. |
| 04:15.36 | sjansen | What is the exact value of the search directive in your resolv.conf? It should be able to produce the behavior you describe. |
| 04:15.48 | mheath | search datamachine.net |
| 04:17.09 | sjansen | datamachine.net and beckykoppel.com have the same IP, looks like an order or something got changed for your reverse lookup |
| 04:17.19 | sjansen | Is datamachine.net yours? |
| 04:17.56 | mheath | No, datamachine.net is a friends. (They run a webhosting service, and just gave me a free subdomain (revolution.datamachine.net) which points to me) |
| 04:18.01 | Maquis | ~hug vim |
| 04:18.03 | ibot | ACTION hugs vim |
| 04:18.45 | sjansen | Do you control the router or do they? |
| 04:19.01 | mheath | My network is entirely independant from theres. |
| 04:19.08 | sjansen | Looks to me like they've got something going on with their DNS server. |
| 04:19.31 | mheath | let me ask them...one sec. |
| 04:20.08 | sjansen | Looks like *.datamachine.net all resolve to the same IP. |
| 04:20.19 | mheath | Yeah, most do |
| 04:20.27 | mheath | (except revolution.datamachine.net which specifically points to me) |
| 04:20.32 | mheath | Agh, I can't ask them |
| 04:20.37 | mheath | they're having some server problems |
| 04:20.47 | mheath | IRC and e-mail is down |
| 04:21.05 | sjansen | One more question: was that "http://somerandomdomainnamethatdoesntexist.com" or "http://somerandomdomainnamethatdoesntexist" |
| 04:21.07 | sjansen | ? |
| 04:21.12 | mheath | .com |
| 04:21.19 | sjansen | because it really should only be the second |
| 04:21.20 | tensai | well if *.datamachine.net all resolves to the same IP, there's your problem |
| 04:21.24 | mheath | or .* |
| 04:21.40 | sjansen | do you have an ndots directive in your resolv.conf? |
| 04:21.44 | tensai | with "search datamachine.net" in resolv.conf it'll try somerandom.com.datamachine.net. |
| 04:21.52 | tensai | before trying somerandom.com. |
| 04:21.55 | mheath | tensai: yeah... |
| 04:22.09 | mheath | no, most stuff works |
| 04:22.20 | mheath | only if the domain doesn't exist does it bring up datamachine.net |
| 04:22.25 | tensai | hmm. I wouldn't expect anything to work |
| 04:22.31 | mheath | My only major question is where the heck beckkoppel.com is coming from. |
| 04:22.42 | sjansen | tensai: no it should try somerandom.com before somerandom.com.datamachine.net |
| 04:22.45 | mheath | *beckykoppel.com |
| 04:22.58 | tensai | sjansen: not in my experience |
| 04:23.05 | sjansen | tensai: unless he has an ndots > 1 |
| 04:24.07 | sjansen | mheath: the search is used if the name you enter can't be found |
| 04:24.14 | mheath | I know that |
| 04:24.17 | sjansen | so somerandom.com become somerandom.com.datamachine.net |
| 04:24.25 | mheath | ah, I see.. |
| 04:24.39 | mheath | Don't know where that'd be coming from. |
| 04:24.45 | sjansen | then a reverse ip lookup is happening and 69.13.249.80 is turning into beckykoppel.com |
| 04:24.59 | mheath | Almost assuredly not part of datamachine |
| 04:25.18 | mheath | (datamachine's server is down) |
| 04:25.35 | sjansen | or, if this is web traffic, then default virtual host is being served because the name based host isn't found |
| 04:26.03 | sjansen | this could be related to their complaints about their hosting company |
| 04:26.21 | mheath | Ah, good point |
| 04:26.49 | mheath | Didn't think about that possibility. |
| 04:28.25 | sjansen | actually, host 69.13.249.80 -> 80-249-13-69.cust.propagation.net. |
| 04:29.05 | sjansen | for me at least |
| 04:29.21 | sjansen | but the virtual host is defauling to beckykoppel.com |
| 04:29.57 | mheath | datamachine.net's IP's reverse lookup is beckykoppel.com? Is that what you're saying? |
| 04:30.45 | sjansen | no, it's 80-249-13-69.cust.propagation.net |
| 04:31.27 | sjansen | and the web server on 80-249-13-69.cust.propagation.net either beckkoppel.com or (more likely) contains multiple name based virtual hosts |
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| 04:31.40 | tensai | the webserver doesn't recognize somerandom.com.datamachine.net as a virtual host and beckykoppel.com is the default |
| 04:31.53 | sjansen | if apache can't match a name to a virtual host, it just serves the first virtual host listed |
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| 04:32.27 | tensai | le_jawa isn't a webserver kinda guy, I guess |
| 04:32.30 | sjansen | btw, her site is really starting to bug me |
| 04:32.39 | mheath | I know. |
| 04:32.41 | mheath | The pages are ugly. |
| 04:32.47 | mheath | Her page is ugly. |
| 04:33.33 | sjansen | http://www.unix-girl.com/blog/archives/001726.html |
| 04:33.50 | sjansen | there's something to take your mind off it |
| 04:35.18 | mheath | heh, thats great. |
| 04:35.43 | mheath | Anyone know how blender3d would run on a 450 Mhz Pentium2? |
| 04:36.03 | sjansen | slowly |
| 04:36.33 | mheath | Fast enough that its usable? |
| 04:36.50 | sjansen | depends on how patient you are |
| 04:37.11 | Maquis | unix-girl.com... now *that*'s cool |
| 04:37.31 | mheath | My dream is to find a hot computer geek :) |
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| 04:37.58 | sjansen | my dream is to live in an 80's movie |
| 04:38.17 | sjansen | but without the bad hair and clothes |
| 04:38.37 | mheath | I hate the 80's. I was alive for half a year of the 80's.... |
| 04:38.39 | mheath | That was enough for me. |
| 04:41.11 | sjansen | ~o I wear my sunglasses at night... o~ |
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| 04:42.07 | Maquis | o/~ |
| 04:42.29 | Maquis | o/) |
| 04:42.54 | mheath | haha... |
| 04:43.07 | mheath | Just came on the radio... "You can live in the 80's, every night at club..." |
| 04:43.13 | sjansen | ~o Jenny don't change your number... 867-5309 o~ |
| 04:44.20 | mheath | I don't either. And I'm rather grateful :D |
| 04:45.01 | mheath | Goodnight |
| 04:45.06 | sjansen | g'night |
| 04:45.11 | Maquis | gnight |
| 04:45.41 | sjansen | ~o All I need is a miracle. All I need is you. o~ |
| 04:45.42 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 04:45.56 | sjansen | heh |
| 04:45.59 | Maquis | ~all i need is you |
| 04:46.00 | ibot | Maquis: I think you lost me on that one |
| 04:46.01 | mheath | ibot: go to sleep |
| 04:46.02 | ibot | from memory, go to sleep is time to put your head down and dream |
| 04:46.11 | sjansen | ~all i need |
| 04:46.27 | sjansen | ibot: all I need |
| 04:46.35 | sjansen | bah |
| 04:46.45 | sjansen | gotta change my music marker. |
| 04:47.35 | sjansen | ~eighties |
| 04:48.19 | sjansen | ibot: eighties are a decade of great music and movies, but odd fashion |
| 04:48.20 | ibot | sjansen: okay |
| 04:48.24 | sjansen | ~eighties |
| 04:48.25 | ibot | eighties are a decade of great music and movies, but odd fashion |
| 04:48.39 | sjansen | ibot: there eighties were a decade of great music and movies, but odd fashion |
| 04:48.48 | sjansen | ibot: the eighties are a decade of great music and movies, but odd fashion |
| 04:48.49 | ibot | ...but eighties is already something else... |
| 04:49.04 | sjansen | ~the eighties |
| 04:49.14 | sjansen | stupid bot |
| 04:49.53 | Maquis | sjansen: see, it's so much easier when you don't have to *try* to teach the bot something... |
| 04:50.08 | sjansen | fine let him learn all he wants |
| 04:50.19 | sjansen | just don't have him pipe up until addressed |
| 04:50.43 | tensai | yay! ispman is a thing of the past! |
| 04:50.45 | Maquis | i'm working on figuring out how to not have him reply to words like what? and when? and such |
| 04:50.51 | sjansen | tensai: congrats! |
| 04:51.11 | tensai | I think I'll go home and die now. I've been thinking nothing but ldap for the last two weeks |
| 04:51.27 | sjansen | tensai: Perhaps you'd like to join me in singing "I ain't missing you..." |
| 04:51.38 | tensai | no, baby. I ain't missing you. |
| 04:51.46 | sjansen | missing you |
| 04:51.57 | sjansen | I ain't missing you. Since you been away. |
| 04:52.04 | sjansen | missing you |
| 04:52.17 | tensai | yeah, that sounds like fun. I gotta find a good 80's radio station and party down. |
| 04:52.21 | sjansen | No matter what my [co-sysadmins] say. |
| 04:53.19 | tensai | Maquis: I'm into the N's on this music. I might finish them next week. |
| 04:53.45 | Maquis | sweet |
| 04:54.10 | sjansen | if that's sxsw I still haven't finished the torrent |
| 04:54.37 | tensai | I've kept 304 and deleted 113 |
| 04:54.57 | tensai | sjansen: don't worry, I won't spoil the ending ... THE BUTLER DID IT! |
| 04:55.56 | sjansen | hmmm... coulda sworn it was the drunken french maid and her mysterious twin brothers |
| 04:56.22 | tensai | the secret is they're all the same person |
| 04:56.23 | Maquis | but... what about miss scarlet? |
| 04:58.10 | sjansen | http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/artists/slyfox.htm |
| 04:58.31 | sjansen | hmmmm, looks like I have an edited version |
| 04:59.10 | sjansen | or not |
| 04:59.18 | sjansen | never noticed that line |
| 04:59.23 | sjansen | quite distored |
| 04:59.38 | sjansen | :-( |
| 05:04.27 | Maquis | why does my server's clock wander off the correct time |
| 05:05.01 | Maquis | last time i rebooted, it changed by over an hour, so i reset it to the correct time... since then, it's wandered off by over half an hour... |
| 05:05.15 | Maquis | it goes off by > 1 minute each day... |
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| 05:08.25 | sjansen | gamma rays have warped the quartz crystal that controls your system clock |
| 05:08.49 | sjansen | lilliputians have declared war on your punctuality |
| 05:08.57 | Maquis | is it related to this: |
| 05:09.01 | Maquis | Losing too many ticks! |
| 05:09.01 | Maquis | TSC cannot be used as a timesource. |
| 05:09.01 | Maquis | Possible reasons for this are: |
| 05:09.01 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.01 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.03 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.06 | Maquis | Falling back to a sane timesource now. |
| 05:09.07 | sjansen | or, more likely, you've got system interrupts causing the kernel to drift |
| 05:09.29 | sjansen | yes, it is |
| 05:09.47 | Maquis | and exactly how bad are these "non-fatal, correctable incidents that keep occurring on my cpu? |
| 05:10.11 | Maquis | sjansen: is there a way to fix that? |
| 05:10.11 | sjansen | depends on the cause |
| 05:10.31 | sjansen | again, depends on the cause |
| 05:10.37 | sjansen | better might just be a work around: ntp |
| 05:10.51 | Maquis | well, i've got a couple of the incidents, and i also have eth0 going up and down constantly... and i get a good number of unknown opcode errors |
| 05:11.14 | sjansen | ick, that doesn't sound nice |
| 05:11.29 | sjansen | wonder if it could be a dying controller... |
| 05:11.56 | Maquis | spr thought it might be a bad motherboard... |
| 05:12.18 | sjansen | well, I'm thinking an IDE controller which would be part of your motherboard |
| 05:12.20 | Maquis | (these errors are on my desktop... not the laptop... laptop's issues are hopefully all due to bad memory) |
| 05:15.22 | Maquis | sjansen: is there any way to resolve it without getting a new motherboard? |
| 05:15.38 | Maquis | or is there a way to prove that it is actually the motherboard so that i can replace it? |
| 05:15.39 | sjansen | how handy are you with a soldering iron? |
| 05:15.55 | Maquis | not at all... but i might be able to find some people who are handy... |
| 05:16.02 | Maquis | i've never used one... |
| 05:16.03 | sjansen | I'm kidding. |
| 05:16.06 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:16.16 | Maquis | so, is it kind of a lost cause? |
| 05:16.32 | sjansen | If it is the motherboard, yeah, pretty much. |
| 05:16.45 | Maquis | does it take a while for it to go out completely? |
| 05:16.59 | Maquis | and how do i determine for sure if it is the motherboard? |
| 05:17.03 | sjansen | You're asking me to predict the unpredictable. |
| 05:17.29 | sjansen | Put all the hardware in another box with a different motherboard and run it for awhile. |
| 05:17.37 | sjansen | that's easiest, anyway |
| 05:17.48 | sjansen | The error message alone might be enough. |
| 05:18.25 | sjansen | Oh... wait... you said ethernet too... |
| 05:18.35 | sjansen | So not just an IDE controller. |
| 05:18.48 | Maquis | it's a motherboard with on-board ethernet... |
| 05:19.18 | sjansen | wouldn't it be icky if it were the bridge? |
| 05:19.34 | sjansen | do you have a spare PCI slot? |
| 05:19.37 | Maquis | http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-468&depa=1 |
| 05:19.47 | Maquis | i think i have a few PCI slots... |
| 05:20.06 | Maquis | i've never messed around inside a computer... so i don't really know much of anything on the hardware side... |
| 05:20.09 | sjansen | you could put an ethernet card into and see if it's more reliable |
| 05:20.28 | Maquis | and... if the ethernet card is more reliable then? |
| 05:20.47 | sjansen | it could just be a driver bug |
| 05:20.51 | Maquis | (btw, that link is the motherboard i currently have...) |
| 05:21.05 | sjansen | now, what sort of opcode errors are you getting |
| 05:22.03 | Maquis | scsi: unknown opcode 0x1e |
| 05:22.13 | Maquis | scsi: unknown opcode 0x01 |
| 05:22.19 | sjansen | okay, that could be benign too |
| 05:22.37 | sjansen | what kinda drives do you have? |
| 05:22.42 | Maquis | dunno |
| 05:23.10 | Maquis | here's what the other errors looked like: |
| 05:23.12 | Maquis | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0. |
| 05:23.12 | Maquis | Bank 2: 940040000000017a |
| 05:23.12 | Maquis | MCE: The hardware reports a non fatal, correctable incident occurred on CPU 0. |
| 05:23.12 | Maquis | Bank 1: 9400000000000151 |
| 05:23.12 | sjansen | hard drive? cd drive? cd burner? dvd drive? dvd burner? iomega? |
| 05:23.41 | Maquis | oh... i've got a hard drive, a cd-rw/dvd-rom drive... and a floppy drive |
| 05:24.07 | sjansen | the opcode errors could just be that your burner doesn't support a certain operation |
| 05:24.46 | Maquis | one of those was when i was ejecting my ipod... (you have to use eject after umount or else it complains) |
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| 05:25.03 | Maquis | what's this: ide0: Speed warnings UDMA 3/4/5 is not functional. |
| 05:25.04 | Maquis | ??? |
| 05:25.16 | Maquis | (sorry... i don't understand a lot of things that show up in dmesg) |
| 05:25.39 | sjansen | the kernel trying to activate a faster transfer mode for the drive and discovering it isn't supported |
| 05:26.15 | Nafai | Woot. USU 34 -- CS Fullerton 33 at the half! |
| 05:26.19 | Maquis | ah.... |
| 05:26.21 | Maquis | oooooh.... |
| 05:26.25 | Maquis | that doesn't look pretty... |
| 05:26.34 | Maquis | Buffer I/O error on device hdc, logical block 11 |
| 05:26.34 | Maquis | hdc: command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 05:26.34 | Maquis | hdc: command error: error=0x51 |
| 05:26.34 | Maquis | ide: failed opcode was 100 |
| 05:26.35 | Maquis | end_request: I/O error, dev hdc, sector 96 |
| 05:26.37 | sjansen | how hot does your box get? |
| 05:26.52 | Maquis | (that last set was from my laptop) |
| 05:27.07 | Maquis | my box doesn't seem to get too hot... i haven't been able to get the sensors working though.. |
| 05:27.25 | Maquis | but the box feels cool to the touch... and the fans seem to work pretty nicely... |
| 05:27.39 | Maquis | even if i touch the box right where the cpu is, the box isn't hot to the touch... |
| 05:28.06 | sjansen | Maquis: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-February/msg01576.html |
| 05:28.38 | Maquis | could those hard drive errors be just from resizing my partition and filesystem? |
| 05:28.52 | sjansen | not sure |
| 05:29.01 | sjansen | have no idea what state your hard drive is in now |
| 05:29.04 | Maquis | ah... |
| 05:29.20 | sjansen | theoretically? it's possible |
| 05:29.57 | Maquis | sjansen: the reason i'm curious is that i've never gotten them before, and now, i've got a long list of them... |
| 05:31.07 | sjansen | I suspect that your fs and partition map have differing opinions of certain things, but I don't know enough about how they interact to say for sure if that's the cause. |
| 05:31.18 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 05:31.34 | sjansen | but I'd believe that it might cause read errors |
| 05:31.39 | Maquis | i think that my filesystem is now smaller than my partition... |
| 05:31.49 | Maquis | as opposed to the first 14 attempts i made... :) |
| 05:31.51 | sjansen | that's safe |
| 05:32.59 | Maquis | yay for new memory... |
| 05:33.00 | sjansen | when it comes to filesystems, I'm somewhat superstitious |
| 05:33.08 | Maquis | superstitious? |
| 05:33.10 | Maquis | in what way? |
| 05:33.21 | sjansen | I like to know that they're clean. If I'm not sure about their state, I reinstall. |
| 05:34.03 | Maquis | i'm actually somewhat impressed that i haven't been forced to reinstall yet... |
| 05:34.22 | Maquis | particularly with the way that this guy's been treated recently... |
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| 05:37.17 | fishyfire | ~lart 224 |
| 05:37.37 | fishyfire | ~lart 3 hour labs taking more than 6 hours |
| 05:39.41 | Maquis | fishyfire: been there... |
| 05:39.45 | Maquis | it stinks |
| 05:40.09 | fishyfire | yeah! |
| 05:40.17 | fishyfire | ~lart sjansen |
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| 05:40.33 | sjansen | tensai: go to bed! |
| 05:40.47 | tensai | well, I was gonna but my asterisk card was waiting for me at home |
| 05:40.48 | fishyfire | HAHA |
| 05:40.48 | fishyfire | do they actually expect us to finish in 3 hours? |
| 05:40.54 | sjansen | Just took 134 twice and jumped to 324. |
| 05:41.05 | fishyfire | spent an hour with ta's not saying the problem must be.... and then not being able to see it |
| 05:41.12 | fishyfire | not mad at the ta's just the lab |
| 05:41.45 | fishyfire | supposedly a part i had working before isn't working now |
| 05:41.48 | sjansen | ah, 134 from Beuss on Macs coding MIPS assembly |
| 05:41.49 | fishyfire | or some random thing like that |
| 05:41.54 | sjansen | that was a fun class |
| 05:42.00 | sjansen | too bad he retired |
| 05:43.46 | Maquis | fishyfire: i don't think they expect you to finish in 3 hours |
| 05:44.10 | fishyfire | who was teaching it when you took it? |
| 05:44.10 | Maquis | i know that for most of that semester, we were there til the lab closed (we had the 3-6 time slot for the lab) and then we'd come back a different day to finish up |
| 05:44.22 | fishyfire | i have the 12-3 lab |
| 05:44.22 | tensai | sjansen: I took that class too. wasn't quite so impressed with Beuss |
| 05:44.24 | Maquis | poret? |
| 05:44.28 | sjansen | findlay: just remember it could be worse, you could be an EE |
| 05:44.30 | Maquis | it was a year ago |
| 05:44.32 | fishyfire | then a lab from 3-6 right after that |
| 05:44.44 | fishyfire | same teacher i have |
| 05:44.45 | Maquis | ick |
| 05:45.17 | fishyfire | figured the 3 extra hours i took today would finish it up |
| 05:45.21 | fishyfire | guessed wrong i guess |
| 05:45.44 | fishyfire | well actually hoped it would be done in less than that |
| 05:46.27 | fishyfire | oh well.... life goes on |
| 05:46.49 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:46.53 | Maquis | i know the feeling... |
| 05:47.22 | fishyfire | guess i will head back tomorrow and torture some more poor ta's |
| 05:47.44 | sjansen | and we all come one day closer to death... and the universe continues to wind down until eventual heat death... and Miami Vice is still cancelled |
| 05:49.45 | sjansen | http://www.80scartoons.net/toons/turboteen.html <-- next time some claims that cartoons used to be better, remind them of this one |
| 05:49.49 | tensai | yay! I just called myself with asterisk! |
| 05:50.05 | fishyfire | ?? |
| 05:51.06 | tensai | findlay: me or sjansen? |
| 05:51.24 | sjansen | fishyfire: he meant you |
| 05:51.51 | tensai | indeed |
| 05:52.02 | fishyfire | tensai |
| 05:52.16 | fishyfire | why Maquis? |
| 05:53.31 | Maquis | my experienecs with CE/EE profs were not all that great... |
| 05:53.34 | sjansen | harder math, long projects, and the added fun of static electricity destroying your project |
| 05:53.53 | Maquis | i got the impression that the profs i had that were in CE/EE didn't seem to care as much as the profs that i've had in CS classes... |
| 05:54.03 | tensai | fishyfire: asterisk is a linux-based phone system. I got my phone card for it today and I just completed a call from asterisk to my cell phone. |
| 05:54.06 | Maquis | granted, i may have just gotten unlucky with profs |
| 05:54.09 | fishyfire | can i ask which ones you recommend i try and avoid? |
| 05:54.21 | fishyfire | oh okay |
| 05:55.03 | Maquis | well, i didn't enjoy poret... |
| 05:55.05 | fishyfire | i have a 313 prof right now that seems to care |
| 05:55.06 | sjansen | most seemed more competent, although some CS profs have retired since he was at BYU |
| 05:55.34 | Maquis | come to think of it... i can't really remember what other EE/CE profs i've had... that might be the only one i've had... |
| 05:55.39 | Maquis | but i was'nt at all impressed |
| 05:56.22 | fishyfire | i beg you not to judge it all on that particular experience |
| 05:58.09 | sjansen | fishyfire: you an EE? |
| 05:58.37 | fishyfire | nope... CE |
| 05:58.45 | Maquis | fishyfire: yeah... for some reason i thought i had more experiences than that... |
| 05:58.48 | Maquis | but i guess not... |
| 06:00.27 | sjansen | and I used to be so good about not making assumptions |
| 06:00.59 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 06:01.00 | Maquis | huh"???? |
| 06:01.03 | fishyfire | it's all good |
| 06:01.49 | sjansen | EE is still worse than CE. In fact, in some ways CS is also worse. |
| 06:02.18 | sjansen | You get to skip the ickiest classes from EE and CS. |
| 06:04.52 | Maquis | like 345? |
| 06:05.12 | sjansen | 345 was actually fun. |
| 06:05.27 | sjansen | I'm thinking more like 235. And 404. |
| 06:05.49 | fishyfire | LOL... ummm we don't get to skip 235 |
| 06:05.57 | sjansen | You don't anymore? |
| 06:06.00 | fishyfire | nope |
| 06:06.07 | fishyfire | get to take 236 also |
| 06:06.13 | sjansen | heh, glad to hear it |
| 06:06.17 | Maquis | fishyfire: you don't have to take 240 do you? |
| 06:06.36 | sjansen | misery loves company, and alumni love revenge |
| 06:08.08 | Nafai | Heh. |
| 06:08.17 | findlay | why is it that I can spend hours practicing Bach and Rachmaninoff and think it the greatest felicity, or spend hours learning python and perl and think it a most excellent diversion, but I must be compelled to do my math and physics homework? |
| 06:08.35 | sjansen | because you're almost normal |
| 06:08.50 | fishyfire | hmm looks like i get the opportunity to take 240 also |
| 06:09.12 | findlay | ha |
| 06:09.23 | sjansen | now if that had been "veg for hours listening to Britney" and "veg for hours watching reality TV" you'd be completely normal |
| 06:10.30 | findlay | does feeling nauseated at those things count? |
| 06:10.53 | sjansen | you can be nauseated by reality tv, but you still have to watch |
| 06:11.36 | sjansen | in fact, bonus points for complaining to your friends about it destroying society while watching it in private |
| 06:14.23 | fishyfire | so which one do you like sjansen? |
| 06:14.32 | sjansen | which what? |
| 06:14.38 | sjansen | I like the blue one. |
| 06:14.41 | fishyfire | reality tv show |
| 06:14.44 | findlay | mplayer, of course |
| 06:15.01 | sjansen | Pioneer Home was fun. |
| 06:15.28 | sjansen | That designer one was interesting. |
| 06:17.21 | Maquis | the pioneer home / other period houses are cool |
| 06:17.43 | Maquis | i've only watched them once or twice.... |
| 06:17.44 | findlay | I don't know, Wallace and Grommit looks pretty real to me |
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| 06:18.04 | sjansen | findlay: Of course it's real. CGI doesn't look like that. |
| 06:19.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Do electrical engineers get to use autocad? |
| 06:19.15 | Maquis | there was one that i saw a day of that was from the colonial times... and one of the guys and one of the girls had gone off and made out and such... and they got into trouble at the next town council... |
| 06:19.20 | Maquis | that's about all i've seen of that... |
| 06:19.36 | xbmodder | YAY! |
| 06:19.39 | xbmodder | i owned ya! |
| 06:19.43 | Maquis | haven't watched any tv for months |
| 06:19.50 | xbmodder | You've got cash! |
| 06:19.50 | xbmodder | Dear Ajay Dhillon, |
| 06:19.50 | xbmodder | james van dyke just sent you money with PayPal. |
| 06:19.50 | xbmodder | james van dyke is a Verified buyer. |
| 06:19.50 | xbmodder | Payment Details |
| 06:19.52 | xbmodder | Amount: $101.00 USD |
| 06:20.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Why doesn't James van Dyke send me money? :( |
| 06:20.29 | xbmodder | Lone_Wanderer, 'cause your not a 14 yr old pimp :) |
| 06:20.33 | xbmodder | just kiddin' |
| 06:20.35 | Maquis | findlay: autodesk? |
| 06:20.36 | findlay | you'll need him to send more than that to buy autocad |
| 06:20.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I can make a career change. Can't go back to being 14 though, thank heavens. |
| 06:21.13 | spr | Lone_Wanderer, the CAD i used while I was in the program was pspice. |
| 06:21.19 | xbmodder | Lone_Wanderer, heh, how old are you and what profession? |
| 06:21.38 | Lone_Wanderer | 26, programmer |
| 06:21.54 | xbmodder | what language? |
| 06:21.57 | Lone_Wanderer | but I'm considering doing EE if you get to use an autocad-like program |
| 06:21.59 | findlay | spr: what is pspice like? |
| 06:21.59 | Lone_Wanderer | pick one :p |
| 06:22.05 | sjansen | http://www.expert-zone.com/index.php?module=announce&ANN_user_op=view&ANN_id=750 <-- yep, looks like an "expert zone" to me |
| 06:22.35 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: brainf*ck |
| 06:22.55 | Lone_Wanderer | not that one |
| 06:22.59 | sjansen | It's turing complete after all. |
| 06:23.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I prefer my brain non-... you know. |
| 06:23.08 | spr | findlay, trying looking up the program oregano (linux electrical cad tool), like that, but always works |
| 06:23.11 | findlay | sjansen: what does that mean? |
| 06:23.30 | spr | Basically, draw circuits with inputs, and run simulation to test what happens |
| 06:23.30 | sjansen | findlay: I could tell you, but then I'd have to charge you for a CS degree. |
| 06:23.49 | fishyfire | you can also do pspice textbased |
| 06:23.53 | findlay | it's on the back side of your diploma?! |
| 06:24.16 | spr | textbased spice is fun. |
| 06:24.27 | sjansen | findlay: A turing complete machine or language can solve any computationally solveable problem. Some are just faster and easier to use than others. |
| 06:24.30 | fishyfire | you like it? |
| 06:24.30 | findlay | hmm, pspice doesn't come up under 'emerge search pspice' |
| 06:24.42 | LeviHome | Just saw Robots. |
| 06:24.51 | findlay | wow, and they can prove that? |
| 06:25.00 | sjansen | yep |
| 06:25.30 | sjansen | but as it turns out, there's a lot of unsolveable problems out there |
| 06:25.55 | tensai | I wrote a program that solves the halting program the other day but now I can't find it |
| 06:26.38 | sjansen | Funny, I was just thinking about my younger years when I thought I'd make myself famous by solving the halting problem and writing a general sort algorithm better tha nlogn. |
| 06:27.02 | tensai | you certainly would |
| 06:27.58 | tensai | ~wake up hans |
| 06:28.01 | ibot | up hans: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 06:28.34 | findlay | ha, how can you solve it if it has been proved impossible |
| 06:28.42 | Maquis | tensai: zip1 didn't work... but the second one did... |
| 06:28.54 | tensai | "didn't work"? |
| 06:28.58 | Lone_Wanderer | what's "the halting problem"? |
| 06:29.32 | sjansen | findlay: maybe there's a back door, something that was over looked, an alternate reality where np-complete is easy to solve |
| 06:29.34 | findlay | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem |
| 06:29.52 | Maquis | maybe p == np |
| 06:30.05 | LeviHome | findlay: The incompleteness theorem was one of Turing's inspirations for coming up with Turing machines, I believe. |
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| 06:30.18 | xbmodder-tv | hey |
| 06:30.43 | LeviHome | findlay: You'd probably enjoy the fun mathy stuff in CS. |
| 06:30.44 | findlay | we're being flooded with xbmodders! (: |
| 06:30.57 | LeviHome | Kill them before they multiply! |
| 06:31.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Didn't he invent turing machines in order to determine which problems were and were not solvable? |
| 06:31.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Or was Neal Stephenson full of baloney? |
| 06:31.44 | xbmodder-tv | how?d you know? |
| 06:32.05 | sjansen | Neal Stephenson does a pretty good job. |
| 06:32.07 | LeviHome | Lone_Wanderer: Yes, that was a more direct reason. |
| 06:32.42 | findlay | both probably, Schrodinger's cat, QCD, blah, blah |
| 06:32.43 | Lone_Wanderer | and the ability to play nethack was just sort of a happy side effect |
| 06:32.46 | findlay | (: |
| 06:33.08 | Maquis | nethack???? |
| 06:33.10 | Maquis | sweet! |
| 06:33.20 | LeviHome | findlay: I take it you haven't read Godel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid |
| 06:33.20 | sjansen | And as long as we're meandering through Comp. Sci., might as well throw out that lisp was intended as a more useable turing machine and not originally intended to be a real language. |
| 06:33.34 | findlay | LeviHome: nope |
| 06:33.46 | LeviHome | findlay: I think you'd like it. It's by Douglas Hofstadter. |
| 06:33.54 | findlay | LeviHome: thanks |
| 06:34.37 | Lone_Wanderer | So that *was* lisp in castle five then. |
| 06:35.16 | Lone_Wanderer | ...if anyone knows what I just referred to I'll give them a cookie |
| 06:35.35 | sjansen | System's Twilight? |
| 06:35.35 | findlay | who wrote lisp? |
| 06:36.00 | sjansen | A research assistant, of course. |
| 06:36.09 | LeviHome | sjansen: It was intented as a real language, just not necessarily one that you'd execute on computers. |
| 06:36.22 | sjansen | LeviHome: that's what I meant |
| 06:36.30 | Maquis | contriving forcefully? |
| 06:36.35 | Lone_Wanderer | John McCarthy came up with the model which, when one of his RA's compiled as a program, became Lisp. |
| 06:36.37 | LeviHome | John McCarthy designed it. |
| 06:36.51 | findlay | ~wiki lisp |
| 06:37.09 | sjansen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_programming_language |
| 06:37.13 | Nafai | Woo! |
| 06:37.20 | findlay | can ibot permute beyond that when there's more than one match? |
| 06:37.21 | Nafai | USU 84 - Fullerton 77 |
| 06:37.22 | findlay | I wonder |
| 06:37.49 | tensai | ~wiki lisp programming language |
| 06:37.50 | LeviHome | Although the purpose was originally just to use recursive equations as a model for computation, he caught on to the idea of actually using it on real computers, and intended to come up with a different syntax for it. |
| 06:37.59 | findlay | nice |
| 06:39.01 | sjansen | Yay! All that time an money so I can look smart on IRC late at night. |
| 06:39.21 | Lone_Wanderer | This is late at night? |
| 06:40.09 | sjansen | I define anything after midnight until 7 am as obscenely early. |
| 06:40.34 | Maquis | sjansen: hmmm... |
| 06:40.40 | sjansen | I also define anything from 10:30 pm to midnight as "past Stuart's bed time". |
| 06:40.47 | Maquis | so, that means that i've gone to bed obscenely early all week long!!! |
| 06:40.52 | Maquis | isn't that a good thing? |
| 06:41.07 | sjansen | not if you wake up obscenely early |
| 06:41.31 | Maquis | i don't usually wake up til 7 or 7:30... |
| 06:41.41 | sjansen | although techincally, there's no such thing as going to be obscenely early |
| 06:41.46 | Maquis | (today, i woke up at 10...) |
| 06:41.58 | sjansen | only waking up obscenely late, which is, of course, defined as anything after 9am |
| 06:41.59 | Maquis | well, if you define those times as "obscenely early"... |
| 06:42.00 | tensai | I got paged at 3:00am this morning |
| 06:42.15 | Maquis | i mean... c'mon... last week i went to bed at 4:30 one night... |
| 06:42.17 | tensai | silly ldap server had eaten up all its disk space |
| 06:42.19 | Maquis | that was "obscenely early" |
| 06:42.31 | spr | "don't mess with my toot toot" |
| 06:42.42 | sjansen | "you can have the other woman" |
| 06:42.57 | sjansen | "but don't you mess with my toot toot" |
| 06:43.25 | sjansen | "when she was born in her birt' suit" |
| 06:43.30 | sjansen | "doctor slapped her behind" |
| 06:43.41 | sjansen | "said 'you gonna be special'" |
| 06:43.49 | sjansen | "'you sweet little toot toot'" |
| 06:49.34 | LeviHome | There was a Tom Waits song in the Robots soundtrack. I was impressed. :) |
| 06:50.18 | findlay | how was it overall? |
| 06:51.17 | LeviHome | findlay: The movie or the soundtrack? |
| 06:51.26 | findlay | the movie |
| 06:51.31 | LeviHome | I really enjoyed it. |
| 06:52.38 | LeviHome | And yes, there is a lot of lore surrounding Lisp. Of languages in use today, only Fortran is older. |
| 06:53.31 | LeviHome | findlay: Are you familiar with the lambda calculus? |
| 06:53.41 | findlay | no |
| 06:53.43 | LeviHome | Yeah, a lot of the customers we sell clusters to use Fortran. |
| 06:54.05 | LeviHome | Fortran is actually faster than C for some mathematical uses. |
| 06:55.10 | LeviHome | findlay: It's the mathematical root from which Lisp sprouted. |
| 06:55.23 | findlay | LeviHome: http://root.cern.ch/root/Mission.html |
| 06:56.30 | sjansen | lisp -> perl, fortran -> ?, cobol -> visual basic |
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| 06:56.56 | LeviHome | sjansen: Uh, lisp -> perl? How do you get that? |
| 06:57.16 | sjansen | giant language, widely used, very powerful, not very pretty |
| 06:59.27 | sjansen | if you're wondering about cobol -> vb |
| 06:59.38 | LeviHome | Cobol -> vb makes more sense. |
| 06:59.44 | LeviHome | Since they do the same sorts of things. |
| 06:59.54 | sjansen | designed to be "easy", won't go away, leads to insanity and sterility |
| 07:00.35 | LeviHome | But lisp and perl are radically different animals, designed for completely different things, and powerful in very different ways. |
| 07:02.01 | Maquis | sjansen: don't know about cobol... but that does describe vb quite nicely... |
| 07:02.16 | sjansen | cobol is equally evil |
| 07:02.38 | findlay | anyway, in the old user's manual, these guys used to say in the introduction that when they first wrote root (which is written in c++) it outperformed the traditional paw (fortran) utilities, and still does |
| 07:02.45 | LeviHome | Hopefully VB will die as Cobol did as .net grows. |
| 07:02.58 | sjansen | cobol didn't die |
| 07:03.02 | sjansen | cobol won't die |
| 07:03.04 | findlay | delphi? |
| 07:03.34 | LeviHome | sjansen: Well, it's not completely dead, but it's definitely in the retirement home. |
| 07:03.34 | findlay | sjansen: is trying to give us the chills |
| 07:03.34 | sjansen | hmmm... I don't know fortran, but I hear it's painful. Is it pedantic too? |
| 07:03.57 | LeviHome | Fortran predates structured programming. |
| 07:04.28 | LeviHome | It doesn't support recursion. |
| 07:04.30 | sjansen | findlay: indeed, a shiver ran up and down my spine for a week when I found out that the cobol standard was revised in early 2000 and that cobol.net is real |
| 07:04.53 | findlay | for little, mathematical sorts of things, fortran is way easy |
| 07:05.04 | findlay | simmilar to basic, for basic things, I guess |
| 07:05.07 | sjansen | nope, not delphi then |
| 07:05.38 | findlay | I thought delphi evolved from cobol |
| 07:05.45 | sjansen | pascal |
| 07:05.50 | findlay | oh |
| 07:06.00 | xbmodder | hey... stripped down a girl to a bra and a skirt at a party :) |
| 07:06.20 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.46 | LeviHome | I have much more respect for Pascal than I used to. |
| 07:06.52 | xbmodder | sjansen, hah. |
| 07:07.03 | LeviHome | Not that I actually want to use it, but it's a nicely put-together language. |
| 07:07.04 | sjansen | LeviHome: why? |
| 07:07.33 | findlay | I heard it was strict and inflexible |
| 07:07.44 | sjansen | it is |
| 07:07.49 | findlay | and macintosh wrote there system in it |
| 07:07.55 | sjansen | pedantic, limiting, and annoying |
| 07:08.27 | sjansen | I don't know that the original Mac OS was written in pascal, but their docs strongly favored it. |
| 07:08.56 | findlay | Pascal was also a poet |
| 07:09.17 | findlay | a famous French poet at that |
| 07:09.24 | LeviHome | The system interfaces used the Pascal calling conventions. |
| 07:09.43 | tensai | sweet. asterisk is so freaking *awesome* |
| 07:11.55 | sjansen | pascal was popular because it was designed to be a teaching language |
| 07:12.13 | sjansen | many people learned it in school and never bothered to learn something better afterwards |
| 07:12.40 | sjansen | pascal might be okay as an introductory language, but it's pedantic nature is maddening |
| 07:12.55 | sjansen | kinda like java |
| 07:13.19 | LeviHome | You have to consider the historical context, though. |
| 07:13.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey, Windows-related problem |
| 07:13.40 | LeviHome | And I don't think Wirth intended it to be just a teaching language. |
| 07:13.50 | sjansen | okay, so pascal beats the snot out of cobal, that's a point |
| 07:14.03 | LeviHome | And Algol, from which it descends. |
| 07:14.10 | Lone_Wanderer | My friend has so much spyware and so on on her computer that she can't even get online |
| 07:14.21 | sjansen | don't know algol |
| 07:14.32 | LeviHome | It's like Pascal, but even more limiting. |
| 07:14.36 | Lone_Wanderer | is there a way to get a spyware program onto her machine that doesn't involve getting online? |
| 07:14.55 | findlay | but sjansen don't you get warm fuzzies knowing that you can seamlessly use your cobol.net with your existing vb.net projects? |
| 07:15.06 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: a spyware program? sure, grab an AOL cd from any of a number of places in town |
| 07:15.14 | LeviHome | Algol was defined in 1960. |
| 07:15.19 | Lone_Wanderer | a spyware *removing* program |
| 07:15.22 | Lone_Wanderer | is what I meant |
| 07:15.28 | sjansen | Now if you want anti-spyware, you'll need to download one and put it on a disk yourself. |
| 07:15.37 | findlay | http://www.levenez.com/lang/history.html |
| 07:15.53 | sjansen | Adaware from lavasoft used to be popular. Don't know if it still is. |
| 07:16.08 | tensai | adaware and spybot are what we recommend |
| 07:16.12 | LeviHome | Pascal improved upon it by providing the ability to make new datatypes out of existing ones, dynamically-sized structures, pointers, and characters. |
| 07:16.15 | findlay | howcome adware doesn't work on my computer? |
| 07:16.20 | findlay | it's just not fair |
| 07:16.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I was going to have her get AdAware, which works fairly well |
| 07:16.41 | tensai | findlay: have you tried running it in wine? |
| 07:16.43 | fishyfire | findlay:? |
| 07:16.55 | fishyfire | LOL |
| 07:17.06 | findlay | wine just isn't the same |
| 07:17.15 | tensai | IE works under wine. if you can run activex controls you're pretty much there. |
| 07:17.29 | fishyfire | ewww |
| 07:17.35 | LeviHome | Wirth went on to make Modula-2, which included modules and let you get past the strict type system to do low-level things. |
| 07:18.08 | sjansen | findlay: that map is cool, but it sure does ignore alot of languages |
| 07:18.44 | LeviHome | Pascal was probably the earliest language to be implemented via a virtual machine, too. |
| 07:19.01 | Lone_Wanderer | tensai: will adaware and spybot fit on a floppy? ohhh, I could burn them to CD. |
| 07:19.11 | tensai | floppy, probably not |
| 07:19.17 | Maquis | Lone_Wanderer: that's actually a good idea... |
| 07:19.19 | tensai | easily on a cd though |
| 07:19.24 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 07:19.24 | findlay | http://people.mandrakesoft.com/~prigaux/language-study/diagram.pdf |
| 07:19.27 | Maquis | i should do that... |
| 07:19.30 | Lone_Wanderer | which means I finally get to coerce her into meeting me |
| 07:19.33 | tensai | I used to keep one handy |
| 07:20.02 | tensai | Lone_Wanderer: is she the one you've been watching with your telescope? ;) |
| 07:20.17 | Lone_Wanderer | No, there's no line of sight to her house from my bedroom. |
| 07:20.37 | tensai | so you're admitting that you do watch girls with a telescope? |
| 07:20.39 | LeviHome | Wirth then went on to design Oberon, which was extended and renamed Component Pascal, and now BlackBox. |
| 07:20.53 | findlay | the desktop (: |
| 07:21.06 | Lone_Wanderer | The correct answer would be "mu". |
| 07:21.08 | Lone_Wanderer | But you know that. |
| 07:21.43 | xbmodder | An OSS question my employer needs a server what distro should i install? |
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| 07:22.26 | LeviHome | Oberon is a pretty interesting system, really. |
| 07:22.27 | findlay | install a LAMP? |
| 07:24.34 | xbmodder | findlay, well... i am not going to give him root password. I will always have a backup. He deals with tax data (if i am fired...). So much data. He needs a router. |
| 07:33.24 | Lone_Wanderer | hmmm |
| 07:34.22 | Lone_Wanderer | when I view my laptop's screen from the normal angle, i.e. without bending it super far back, I can't see blues very well |
| 07:34.55 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: your eyes are defective, you'll have to return them to the manufacturer for a replacement |
| 07:34.56 | Maquis | Lone_Wanderer: they seem faded? |
| 07:35.05 | Lone_Wanderer | but when I look at it from the blues-friendly angle, the other colors are too dark |
| 07:35.12 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, faded is a good word for it |
| 07:35.20 | Maquis | Lone_Wanderer: we had a problem with that at work... |
| 07:35.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Can you link me to an eyeball-removal manual, sjansen? |
| 07:35.50 | Maquis | we were making displays to show how far behind the various doctors were (the receptionists were tired of being asked)... |
| 07:35.54 | Maquis | ~spoon Lone_Wanderer |
| 07:35.57 | ibot | ACTION gouges out Lone_Wanderer's eyes with a small plastic spoon |
| 07:36.02 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, fantastic |
| 07:36.14 | Maquis | but they wanted to match the colors on the clinic business cards |
| 07:36.18 | sjansen | Lone_Wanderer: You'll have to contact the manufacturer directly to find out approved procedure. Anything will void your warranty. |
| 07:36.19 | Maquis | so, i worked on it, finally got it working... |
| 07:36.36 | Maquis | got it the right color, switched to a different monitor, and had to redo it all |
| 07:36.46 | Lone_Wanderer | how far behind in what way? |
| 07:36.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhhh |
| 07:36.54 | Lone_Wanderer | the doctors get behind in their appointments |
| 07:37.01 | Maquis | then, looked from a different angle, and it was wrong again |
| 07:37.04 | Lone_Wanderer | so you put that info on a screen for the patients to see |
| 07:37.08 | Maquis | ended up going with a non-blue color... |
| 07:37.09 | LeviHome | Hmm, people are still hacking on Oberon. |
| 07:37.09 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 07:37.12 | sjansen | Maquis: you should have just told them it couldn't be done unless they bought very expensive monitors and color correctiong equipment |
| 07:37.28 | Maquis | sjansen: my boss tried... but they wouldn't listen |
| 07:37.44 | findlay | CCD, and other fancy buzzwords bandied about |
| 07:37.45 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, getting colors to look the same across monitors is not a very tractable problem |
| 07:37.47 | Maquis | they want it done now with the materials they have, and it has to be exactly the way they want it... |
| 07:38.08 | Lone_Wanderer | (is tractability something that exists in degrees, or is a problem either tractable or intractable with no in betweens?) |
| 07:38.44 | findlay | that sounds like too much epistimology for an early Saturday morning |
| 07:38.47 | sjansen | Maquis: sounds like your bosss didn't explain to them correctly, should have just handed them an order form and asked for their signatures approving purchase of the equipment |
| 07:39.18 | Maquis | sjansen: wouldn't've worked... the clinic is too used to that... and they don't seem to trust the techies all that much on things like that... |
| 07:39.26 | Maquis | it wasn't on the budget, so it would be a "no" |
| 07:40.35 | findlay | darn it, now I'm installing lisp |
| 07:40.48 | xbmodder | heh |
| 07:41.07 | findlay | they made me do it |
| 07:41.23 | findlay | just to bloat up my system partition |
| 07:41.27 | findlay | (: |
| 07:42.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I think Apathy should be added to the three virtues. |
| 07:43.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Because when your boss gets all up in arms demanding that the impossible be done immediately, apathy would really help. |
| 07:43.54 | LeviHome | findlay: Which one? |
| 07:44.03 | Lone_Wanderer | sbcl + slime I hope |
| 07:44.10 | sjansen | the apathy suggestion |
| 07:44.51 | findlay | LeviHome: clisp? |
| 07:45.16 | findlay | http://clisp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:45.19 | LeviHome | findlay: Hmm. I recommend sbcl. |
| 07:45.53 | LeviHome | clisp is smaller, but not as good. |
| 07:46.20 | LeviHome | clisp is a virtual machine, while sbcl and cmucl are compilers. |
| 07:46.55 | LeviHome | cmucl also has an interpreter (which has pluses and minuses), but sbcl is purely compiled. |
| 07:47.04 | Lone_Wanderer | sbcl is a beautiful thing |
| 07:47.09 | Lone_Wanderer | especially when you add slime to it |
| 07:47.18 | LeviHome | Indeed. |
| 07:47.41 | LeviHome | McCLIM will make it even more beautiful, when it's a little more finished. |
| 07:47.42 | findlay | OK, in the perfunctory search I did, clisp seemed the most general, agnostic implementation of "lisp" |
| 07:48.03 | LeviHome | findlay: clisp is one of many implementations of Common Lisp. |
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| 07:48.08 | Lone_Wanderer | what will McCLIM do? |
| 07:48.18 | LeviHome | sbcl and cmucl are also Common Lisp implementations. |
| 07:49.14 | LeviHome | Lone_Wanderer: It provides the Common Lisp Interface Manager, a nifty GUI framework. It has a listener, inspector, editor, etc. |
| 07:49.20 | findlay | sbcl is a bigger tar ball than cmucl |
| 07:49.26 | findlay | if that means anything (: |
| 07:49.42 | findlay | like squeak? |
| 07:50.09 | LeviHome | findlay: Someone's also hacking a musical notation thingy for CLIM. |
| 07:50.36 | findlay | I know lilypond uses scheme data structures |
| 07:50.41 | Lone_Wanderer | what are listeners and inspectors? |
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| 07:51.36 | LeviHome | The listener is a combo of a REPL and a shell prompt, plus you can interact with its output via the mouse. |
| 07:52.19 | LeviHome | Like, a directory listing will give you a bunch of icons in the screen, and you can click on them and such. |
| 07:52.52 | LeviHome | It's a really cool fusion of command line and GUI. |
| 07:53.09 | LeviHome | And the inspector is for inspecting data in the lisp system. |
| 07:53.14 | LeviHome | graphically. |
| 07:53.56 | LeviHome | The editor is an emacs clone, but programmed in Common Lisp instead of Emacs Lisp. |
| 07:54.54 | LeviHome | findlay: If you're planning on building from source, I've heard sbcl is a lot easier to build. |
| 07:55.09 | LeviHome | (part of the reason it forked from cmucl) |
| 07:56.02 | LeviHome | A lot of sbcl hackers hang out on #lisp |
| 07:56.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I hang out there sometimes too. They were no end of help while I was learning it. |
| 07:56.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Heh. Like I'm done learning it now :p you know what I miean |
| 07:56.38 | Lone_Wanderer | mean* |
| 07:57.14 | LeviHome | Also, there are some newly published books, and their authors hang out on #lisp too. |
| 07:57.25 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, gigamonkeys |
| 07:58.07 | LeviHome | Practical Common Lisp is really good, and freely available online as well. |
| 07:59.52 | Lone_Wanderer | That's the one |
| 08:00.26 | Lone_Wanderer | When's the release date for McCLIM? |
| 08:01.12 | LeviHome | I dunno. They seem to make pretty frequent releases, but I don't know what their milestones are. |
| 08:01.36 | LeviHome | I've got it running, but a lot of it still feels like proof-of-concept work. |
| 08:10.36 | LeviHome | This is an interesting timeline perspective on development of programming languages: http://www.scriptol.org/dates.htm |
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| 08:43.25 | LeviHome | findlay: More than you ever wanted to know about computability and its relation to incompleteness: http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/avigad/Teaching/candi_notes.pdf |
| 08:44.08 | LeviHome | That's a well-written set of lecture notes for a class entitled "Computability and Incompleteness" |
| 08:44.25 | LeviHome | And now I'm going to bed, as I suspect most everyone else already has. |
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| 16:50.26 | bonez39 | I have a friend who is just a windows user, but is mildly curious about trying linux..where can she get the iso for burning an knoppix disc? |
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| 17:04.32 | Mecworks | knoppix.org |
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| 18:14.26 | bonez39 | Mecworks: thanks |
| 18:15.24 | bonez39 | I needed to backup my wife's web file..from the host .. and I attempted first just using ftp..but realized it wouldn't copy directories, effectively. I ended up going to my windows box, installing ws_ftp pro and doing it that way.... |
| 18:15.56 | bonez39 | what app is there for linux that is similar, not necessarily a gui...but transfer app to grab the whole nine yards....to back up a site? |
| 18:19.27 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 18:20.20 | SpecialK | So I upped the CPU freq to 203 and set 2:1 timings thinking, hey, that's amodest increase, everything will be fine. |
| 18:21.25 | SpecialK | instead I wasted 4 fsck'ing hours trying to figure out why it wouldn't boot anymore. |
| 18:21.53 | SpecialK | *Note that was a proper use of fsck. |
| 18:23.11 | bonez39 | vey proper.. |
| 18:23.13 | bonez39 | very proper |
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| 18:39.24 | tensai | bonez39: I like gftp. For the windows side Filezilla is my favorite. |
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| 18:41.33 | bonez39 | tensai: so for the linux side...gftp....? |
| 18:41.58 | tensai | yeah |
| 18:42.09 | bonez39 | very cool.... |
| 18:42.13 | bonez39 | it was already here....;) |
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| 18:44.07 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 18:44.16 | xbmodder_lappy | everyone? |
| 18:44.32 | bigdog_ut | whatz up |
| 18:44.37 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, joshc, or anyone i know here? |
| 18:44.43 | xbmodder_lappy | bigdog_ut, confoosed. |
| 18:45.18 | bigdog_ut | confused about what? |
| 18:45.30 | xbmodder_lappy | idk |
| 18:45.32 | xbmodder_lappy | life. |
| 18:45.38 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 18:46.03 | xbmodder_lappy | i have a fever, headache, nausea, and some other stuff right now. On sudafed, tylenol, and zyrtec. |
| 18:46.19 | xbmodder_lappy | watching 50 first dates |
| 18:46.21 | bigdog_ut | sounds like a fine trio there |
| 18:46.25 | xbmodder_lappy | and talking to you guys. |
| 18:46.31 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 18:46.37 | bigdog_ut | i would be watching the tube man |
| 18:46.38 | xbmodder_lappy | and allergies :) |
| 18:47.09 | xbmodder_lappy | well.. you guys are pretty interesting. When you talk :) |
| 18:47.52 | bigdog_ut | yeah, when we do talk is the key there |
| 18:48.11 | xbmodder_lappy | hah. |
| 18:49.27 | xbmodder_lappy | bigdog_ut, how ya doin'? |
| 18:49.44 | bonez39 | tensai: thanks |
| 18:49.47 | bigdog_ut | not to shabby...been gone for a week and now getting back to tons of work |
| 18:50.12 | xbmodder_lappy | thats good. |
| 18:50.15 | bigdog_ut | bonez39, i also like using ncftp for command line |
| 18:50.18 | xbmodder_lappy | where'd you go? |
| 18:50.34 | bigdog_ut | daughter was in primary childern's for a week |
| 18:50.42 | bigdog_ut | so i was there with her the whole time |
| 18:50.56 | bonez39 | bigdog_ut: is she recovering? doing ok? |
| 18:51.19 | bigdog_ut | yeah she is good...back to normal...had some problems with her intestines |
| 18:52.06 | xbmodder_lappy | ouch |
| 18:52.30 | bigdog_ut | pretty much did a cleaning on them...so we are doing good now |
| 18:52.41 | bigdog_ut | pcmc is a great place |
| 18:53.01 | bigdog_ut | i hate the beds for the parents, but other then that they are top notch |
| 18:54.03 | xbmodder_lappy | stanford medical center is hella pimp |
| 18:55.09 | xbmodder_lappy | its pretty cool. the heart problem wing is nice. the only difference between their rooms and a marriots are that they have equipment there. |
| 18:55.20 | xbmodder_lappy | and there are like 3 rooms with projectors :) |
| 18:55.30 | xbmodder_lappy | my friend was there. |
| 19:04.05 | xbmodder_lappy | soo. |
| 19:20.37 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone home? |
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| 19:36.49 | bigdog_ut | yeah...had to attend the little ones real fast |
| 19:45.26 | hans | as in cheap fast |
| 19:45.53 | xbmodder_lappy | waiting for my server to go down |
| 19:46.06 | xbmodder_lappy | video on slashdot setup as torrent |
| 19:46.18 | xbmodder_lappy | 7 minutes 9 leechers |
| 19:46.32 | xbmodder_lappy | i am dead :( |
| 19:50.30 | xbmodder_lappy | help me! |
| 19:50.51 | tensai | hans: my fxo card arrived. I'm using tt-weasels as my voicemail greeting. |
| 19:51.44 | tensai | someday we should redo our iax setup and try out making local calls remotely |
| 19:51.57 | tensai | then you could call rexburg for free! |
| 19:52.43 | xbmodder_lappy | http://thebrokenwargames.gotdns.com/con.torrent and http://thebrokenwargames.gotdns.com/machine.avi.torrent |
| 19:54.28 | hans | heh, rexburg here I come. :) |
| 19:54.35 | hans | but if you have someone to call in happy valley... |
| 19:55.13 | tensai | do you actually know anybody up here? |
| 19:55.18 | hans | no |
| 19:55.34 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks guys... if your doing it. |
| 19:55.43 | tensai | oh, well. we should try it at least. |
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| 20:03.07 | xbmodder_lappy | can someone help me keep up these torrents (for slashdot): http://thebrokenwargames.gotdns.com/con.torrent and http://thebrokenwargames.gotdns.com/machine.avi.torrent http://thebrokenwargames.gotdns.com/cog.mov.torrent |
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| 23:04.35 | byronc | any mutt wizards here? |
| 23:08.07 | sjansen | byronc: I can make mutt disappear from my hd in a single command. Does that count? |
| 23:09.07 | byronc | sjansen: well, it's not really a mutt problem... |
| 23:09.33 | byronc | It appears that mutt will never stop informing me that a folder has new mail, unless I remove noatime from my mount options |
| 23:10.50 | byronc | oh well, it's not a huge loss |
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| 23:31.41 | jsmith | Anybody else's DSL yo-yoing today? Mine's been up and down all day |
| 23:36.55 | tensai | I turned on my asterisk box as a basic voicemail machine. The greeting is the "Weasels have eaten our phone system" message. |
| 23:37.10 | jsmith | tensai: Yeah. It's a fun one. |
| 23:37.20 | jsmith | tensai: That's my current greeting as well. |
| 23:37.27 | tensai | A lady who's been trying to get a hold of my wife called and I tried to answer it before * picked up, but too late |
| 23:37.29 | jsmith | tensai: (On my test server, of course) |
| 23:37.34 | jsmith | Doh! |
| 23:37.44 | tensai | I still can't stop laughing |
| 23:38.08 | jsmith | There's a bunch along that same line that are great, but that don't come stock with Asterisk. |
| 23:38.16 | tensai | I tried recording a real message but my microphone sucks. The message sound like I was talking in a tin can. |
| 23:38.17 | jsmith | Checkout the asterisk-sounds module from CVS and add those |
| 23:38.56 | jsmith | My favorite says "All representative are currently talking to other telemarketers. Please hold and your call will be answered in the order it was received...." |
| 23:39.25 | tensai | heh. I'm gonna have to get that one. put it on for the no-cid message |
| 23:39.46 | jsmith | You've got it... |
| 23:39.49 | tensai | my boss decided to let me build a * box for the office. we've got all the parts on order. |
| 23:39.53 | jsmith | Nice. |
| 23:40.05 | jsmith | You'll be jealous -- guess who I got to hang out with in San Jose this week :-) |
| 23:40.10 | tensai | hans and I set up iax links and we can now dial out each others zap channels |
| 23:40.17 | jsmith | Cool. |
| 23:40.26 | tensai | mark spencer? |
| 23:40.55 | tensai | the call quality goes to crap though when hans does anything else on his 256K dsl line |
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