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| 00:01.19 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 00:01.35 | shadoi | what a way to go though. |
| 00:01.49 | sjansen | Who said anything about going? |
| 00:01.57 | SpecialK | I have trouble enjoying them too much after the first 4. |
| 00:02.01 | shadoi | 150lbs of donuts would kill anyone. |
| 00:02.38 | SpecialK | You'd choke on the grease |
| 00:17.12 | hans | ~lart being sick |
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| 00:24.13 | levi | It's nice to be sick enough to not have to go to work, but not sick enough to prevent doing fun things, like coding or web browsing. |
| 00:25.25 | Jayce^ | hans, not going to make it tonight then? |
| 00:28.39 | levi | Cool, there are binary images available for seaside now: http://beta4.com/seaside2/Seaside-12-1-2005.zip |
| 00:28.56 | levi | hans: Now you can try it out without having to install anything into a base Squeak image. |
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| 00:30.00 | scottj | how do I find out if I'm running the version of X that can do window shadows or not? |
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| 00:32.39 | levi | scottj: Do you mean the compositing stuff that's in the x.org server? |
| 00:32.56 | scottj | yeah |
| 00:33.31 | levi | scottj: Probably with X -version |
| 00:33.55 | levi | And looking at the config file that it loads will probably shed some light, too. |
| 00:33.57 | levi | What distro? |
| 00:34.24 | scottj | ubuntu |
| 00:34.38 | levi | Which version? |
| 00:34.50 | scottj | latest I think, what comes on the gnome 2.10 live cd |
| 00:35.28 | bucky | have you looked under Settings->Preferences |
| 00:35.34 | levi | Well, hoary uses the x.org server, but that's their 'unstable' one, rather than their released one. |
| 00:35.58 | bucky | oh xorg... nm |
| 00:37.00 | levi | The compositing stuff is still kind of slow and useless unless you have a recent video card that is supported by it. |
| 00:38.05 | bucky | xfce4 has it's own composite manager... which is kinda cool |
| 00:42.01 | hans | Jayce^: no, i think not. but you can score me some putty or whatever else |
| 00:42.18 | hans | I've been asleep, threatening to throw up, or both all day. |
| 00:49.11 | bonez39 | got a bug, hans? |
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| 01:34.51 | tensai | ~lart .Net |
| 01:34.54 | tensai | ~lart IIS |
| 01:34.57 | tensai | ~lart Windows 2003 |
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| 01:46.38 | findlay | wow, Sibelius' 4th is a masterpiece |
| 01:47.18 | findlay | ~lart manti telephone 340282366920938463463374607431768211456 times |
| 01:48.47 | findlay | ~lart Maquis for allowing brigham and his lart skills to log off |
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| 02:08.13 | findlay | aren't ctags supposed to be better than cscope? |
| 02:12.57 | Tene | I think that that went fairly well. |
| 02:13.10 | Tene | I should hear back "In The Next Few Days" |
| 02:19.16 | tensai | Tene: what stuff would you be doing? |
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| 02:20.11 | Tene | they do a whole lot of stuff there, I'm not entirely sure. |
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| 02:38.46 | Maquis | findlay: brigham hasn't been around much because people don't like him... |
| 02:39.01 | Maquis | people have been mean to him, and complaining about him... |
| 02:39.21 | Maquis | so, i'm keeping him off most of the time until i have the time to adjust some settings... |
| 02:39.42 | vontrapp | i like brigham |
| 02:39.51 | Maquis | me too... |
| 02:39.56 | hans | sjansen isn't everyone. |
| 02:40.00 | Mecworks | same here |
| 02:40.10 | Maquis | we can have a vote.... |
| 02:40.32 | Mecworks | ok, I vote he stays here and lears to carry on lengthy conversations with ibot |
| 02:40.34 | Maquis | if most people like him the way he is, i'll bring him back, and people can yell at sjansen when he complains... |
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| 02:41.33 | Maquis | brigham: welcome back |
| 02:41.45 | vontrapp | you can just have brigham parse for < sjansen>.*brigham and anytime that matches, repeat the last thing he said :) |
| 02:41.55 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:42.05 | tensai | |lart ibot |
| 02:42.16 | vontrapp | so anytime brigham says something that annoys him, it will be said again |
| 02:42.17 | hans | we don't need a bot to help us bicker with sjansen. ;-) |
| 02:42.23 | tensai | ~lart brigham |
| 02:42.25 | vontrapp | let sjansen figure that one out :) |
| 02:42.47 | Maquis | i don't quite understand why sjansen cares... since he claims that he has brigham /ignored... |
| 02:42.54 | Maquis | but he still insists on being mean to him... |
| 02:44.25 | vontrapp | brigham's bigest + is the community driven lart pool |
| 02:44.36 | brigham | /ignore sjansen |
| 02:44.45 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 02:47.01 | vontrapp | Jayce^: what's up with plug's rss feed? |
| 02:50.55 | tensai | did anybody try out the music I posted yesterday? |
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| 02:57.55 | tensai | I guess that's a no. Ok, but I'm gonna keep bugging you about it until you do. It's really that good. |
| 02:57.58 | tensai | http://player.sxsw.com/SXSW_2005_Showcasing_Artist_mp3s.torrent |
| 02:58.12 | Maquis | ooh... |
| 02:58.18 | Maquis | forgot about that.... |
| 02:58.25 | tensai | careful, 2.6GB |
| 02:58.37 | Maquis | wait... |
| 02:58.40 | Maquis | what if i can't torrent? |
| 02:58.49 | tensai | then you're screwed |
| 02:58.53 | Maquis | i'm at byu... |
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| 02:59.19 | tensai | too bad you don't have a shell account on a box that already has the music :( |
| 02:59.22 | Maquis | anyone able to make it available another way? |
| 02:59.32 | Maquis | you wanna give me one? |
| 02:59.37 | chad|david | are the utah lugs going to have a mtg this year at Novell's Brainshare? |
| 03:00.09 | tensai | Maquis: I can probably hook you up. give me a bit. gotta turn on my other machine. |
| 03:00.15 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:00.40 | chad|david | i'm from okc and was at bshare last year and the SLLUG had their monthly mtg at bshare |
| 03:00.41 | Maquis | chad|david: from what i can tell uug won't... |
| 03:00.49 | tensai | chad|david: Jayce^ and Mecworks would be the ones to ask |
| 03:00.49 | Maquis | if they are, it hasn't been announced yet... |
| 03:01.14 | chad|david | ic, thanks |
| 03:01.28 | chad|david | man, i sure hope they do, i really enjoyed it last year |
| 03:04.15 | tensai | Maquis: do you prefer tar or zip? |
| 03:04.52 | Maquis | tensai: don't care either way... whichever zips smaller? |
| 03:05.17 | tensai | well, if I tar it I'm not gonna bother compressing because it's all mp3s anyway |
| 03:05.31 | Maquis | whichever... |
| 03:05.41 | Maquis | i know how to extract both... |
| 03:06.03 | Maquis | i don't know that there's much reason to have a preference outside of that... |
| 03:06.15 | tensai | silly byu. well, I guess I *can* believe they block bittorrent, but it's still silly. |
| 03:12.16 | Maquis | tensai: they block things that are a lot less problematic than bittorent... |
| 03:12.26 | Maquis | scholar.google.com for example |
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| 03:15.12 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 03:15.19 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
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| 03:37.27 | h3k | i have reached the irc wasteland |
| 03:38.30 | Tene | yes, yes you have |
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| 03:47.01 | findlay | h3k: go to #gentoo |
| 03:47.11 | findlay | that'll be active enough for you (: |
| 03:47.19 | h3k | :) |
| 03:47.24 | h3k | nah, too many people in there |
| 03:50.09 | findlay | |lart Maquis with brigham |
| 03:54.53 | Maquis | |lart findlay |
| 03:57.45 | Maquis | haha... |
| 03:58.09 | Tene | I'm investigating developing a usb device. |
| 03:59.02 | findlay | and how Tene's usb drive pertains to the greater scheme of things |
| 03:59.52 | Tene | although with the components I've been able to find, I suspect that I wouldn't be able to produce it at a price that people would want to purchase it at. |
| 04:03.04 | Tene | so findlay, what would you consider a reasonable price for a glowing ball, the color of which is controlled over usb? |
| 04:03.24 | findlay | don't they have one of those at thinkgeek? |
| 04:03.37 | Tene | nope |
| 04:03.49 | Tene | there's one that's controlled over cellular, though |
| 04:04.00 | Tene | so completely wireless |
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| 04:08.16 | Tene | update rate of "every few minutes" at fastest, though |
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| 04:20.50 | nathangg- | i'm installing a program on Fedora Core 3, and it is asking for "The name of the runtime user, Note: this user must already exist on the system"... I'm not sure what to put here.. any ideas? |
| 04:21.19 | Tene | what are you installing? |
| 04:21.29 | nathangg- | ColdFusion |
| 04:21.37 | nathangg- | (The ColdFusion Application Server) |
| 04:22.05 | nathangg- | I'm trying to see if it will work on FC3 |
| 04:22.26 | Maquis | have people been to mooter.com |
| 04:22.27 | Maquis | ? |
| 04:22.59 | Tene | no, just you |
| 04:23.04 | findlay | Maquis: people may have |
| 04:23.15 | Maquis | i'm curious if other people also think that there ought to be an option to click on a node and somehow center another set of nodes around a combination of the search term and the node that you select |
| 04:23.19 | tensai | nathangg-: it wants the name of a regular user (not root) that will run the service |
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| 04:23.37 | tensai | any user will do, I'm sure. I would create a special user just for that purpose. |
| 04:23.41 | nathangg- | tensai: uhm... I kind of guessed that... I'm just not sure what to put |
| 04:23.49 | nathangg- | tensai: okay |
| 04:24.06 | nathangg- | so, I can create a user called "coldfusion" and then use that? |
| 04:24.13 | tensai | that's what I would do |
| 04:24.15 | nathangg- | it does say the default is "nobody" |
| 04:24.46 | nathangg- | tensai: should I leave the default? (I checked the /etc/passwd file for a user called "nobody" but I didn't see one...) |
| 04:24.59 | tensai | that's pretty common, but loads of other apps use nobody. I prefer not to use nobody. |
| 04:25.04 | tensai | I would just add another user |
| 04:25.05 | nathangg- | k |
| 04:25.14 | nathangg- | awesome |
| 04:25.34 | findlay | |lart me |
| 04:25.55 | findlay | brigham: duh |
| 04:37.12 | findlay | duh? |
| 04:37.56 | h3k | |lart himself |
| 04:38.43 | fozz | ~seen Tene |
| 04:38.45 | ibot | tene is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 23 messages. Is idling for 15m 46s |
| 04:39.28 | Tene | ~seen fozz |
| 04:39.29 | ibot | fozz is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 46s |
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| 04:47.49 | brailsmt | ~stupid |
| 04:47.50 | ibot | stupid is, like, http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif |
| 04:48.00 | brailsmt | ~stupid is also ibot |
| 04:48.01 | ibot | brailsmt: okay |
| 04:48.07 | brailsmt | ~stupid |
| 04:48.08 | ibot | stupid is, like, http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif, or ibot |
| 04:48.11 | brailsmt | :) |
| 04:48.50 | Maquis | ~seen me |
| 04:48.51 | ibot | me <~daniel@tc26.chem.vu.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 7d 11h 6m 58s ago, saying: 'can anyone help with getting an external monitor to run?'. |
| 04:49.01 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 04:49.08 | tensai | ~seen ibot |
| 04:49.09 | ibot | ibot is currently on #zaurus (18h 31m 25s) #tomcat (18h 31m 25s) #opie (18h 31m 25s) #opencombat (18h 31m 25s) #familiar (18h 31m 25s) #uclibc (18h 31m 25s) #intimate (18h 31m 25s) #gllug (18h 31m 25s) #brlcad (18h 31m 25s) #gpe (18h 31m 25s) #oe (18h 31m 25s) #elinux (18h 31m 25s) ... |
| 04:49.09 | fozz | ~seen you |
| 04:49.10 | ibot | i haven't seen 'you', fozz |
| 04:49.16 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 04:49.25 | tensai | ~say you, say me |
| 04:49.27 | ibot | you, say me |
| 04:49.46 | tensai | ~say it for always, that's the way it should be |
| 04:49.48 | ibot | it for always, that's the way it should be |
| 04:50.14 | brailsmt | ~say I like to dance nude with a rubber chicken around my neck |
| 04:50.16 | ibot | I like to dance nude with a rubber chicken around my neck |
| 04:50.25 | brailsmt | :D |
| 04:52.43 | findlay | when I was running our astroparticle detector, the control program had an interface with festival, so the computer could tell you if something was wrong and you had fallen asleep |
| 04:53.16 | findlay | anyway, we had lots of fun telling it to say things |
| 04:59.13 | h3k | |lart himself |
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| 05:07.22 | LeviHome | I have returned. |
| 05:07.35 | findlay | ~hail LeviHome |
| 05:07.37 | ibot | ACTION bows down to LeviHome and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 05:20.05 | LeviHome | Went to the Hale Center Theater for a show. It was pretty fun. |
| 05:20.43 | LeviHome | Do you consider the song "December, '63 - Oh What A Night" by the Four Seasons to be disco? |
| 05:22.56 | SpecialK | not strictly |
| 05:25.11 | LeviHome | I didn't think so either. |
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| 05:38.49 | drewbono | Evening all. |
| 05:38.58 | drewbono | What's the best open-source software to collect webstats out there? |
| 05:39.02 | drewbono | What do you guys use? |
| 05:39.11 | drewbono | For capturing and reporting |
| 05:39.53 | tensai | I use awstats |
| 05:40.19 | goozbach | webilizer |
| 05:42.00 | drewbono | My prof showed us one the other day that grabbed all sorts of crazy info from clients using javascript. |
| 05:42.09 | drewbono | For ex, he could tell the screen size of all visitors. |
| 05:43.03 | goozbach | that's neato |
| 05:43.11 | tensai | I think awstats has one of those but I've never used it |
| 05:43.31 | tensai | there are quite a few companies that offer analytics software too |
| 05:43.39 | drewbono | tensai: Just googling a bit, and a few ppl believe awstats reports unique visitors incorrectly. |
| 05:43.47 | findlay | combine that with some lexisnexis leaked SSN's and you've really got some powerfull information on people |
| 05:43.48 | tensai | I've heard of urchin for one |
| 05:43.52 | drewbono | They say webalizer does a better job. |
| 05:44.39 | tensai | drewbono: could be, I dunno. mine is just for curiosity so I've never checked it. |
| 05:44.50 | drewbono | tensai: Cool. |
| 05:46.25 | tensai | http://awstats.sourceforge.net/js/awstats_misc_tracker.js |
| 05:46.42 | drewbono | Nice. :) |
| 05:46.46 | drewbono | I might have to check that out. |
| 05:47.08 | tensai | it's worked well enough for me and it's got cute icons :) |
| 05:47.19 | drewbono | Those offerings look very similar to what my prof showed me. |
| 05:49.41 | tensai | mycomputer.com has one. they were in orem originally. looks like network solutions bought them out so who knows now. |
| 05:50.03 | tensai | they use to have a free version too |
| 05:50.24 | drewbono | tensai: mycomputer.com has one what? |
| 05:50.35 | tensai | a web analyzer |
| 05:50.39 | drewbono | ahhh |
| 05:50.53 | tensai | called superstats. looks like they only do it for pay now. guess the .com bubble popped for them too. |
| 05:51.02 | tensai | ah, those were the days. everything for free. |
| 05:51.43 | tensai | I worked with one of the guys who wrote the original (after he left). smart kid. |
| 05:58.08 | drewbono | Did you know a guy named Matt? |
| 05:58.53 | Maquis | i know a guy named matt... |
| 05:58.58 | drewbono | :-) |
| 05:59.05 | drewbono | Nice, Maquis |
| 05:59.10 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:59.21 | Maquis | so, i came in at an interesting point of the conversation.... |
| 06:00.08 | drewbono | tensai: The reason I asked is b/c I heard a rumor at my old work that a guy named Matt (who one of the guys at my work knows) was the one who started mycomputer.com |
| 06:00.16 | drewbono | Maquis: Always... |
| 06:00.30 | tensai | drewbono: the guy I knew was named Eric |
| 06:00.35 | tensai | probably still is |
| 06:01.27 | drewbono | Well, I'm out. |
| 06:01.31 | drewbono | G'night all. |
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| 06:10.54 | vontrapp | tensai: i know a guy named matt who may be the one your talking about |
| 06:11.03 | vontrapp | well, i don't really *know* him |
| 06:11.30 | vontrapp | er, i guess that was for drewbono |
| 06:11.33 | tensai | vontrapp: well, they guy I'm talking about is definitely named Eric. I dunno about drewbono's friend. |
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| 06:20.21 | vontrapp | well, there goes falcon |
| 06:21.18 | tensai | silly hans |
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| 06:21.43 | findlay | what's the gcc debug flag? |
| 06:21.44 | vontrapp | i don't think he did anything though, i'm pretty sure he is not awake at this time |
| 06:21.50 | vontrapp | being sick and all |
| 06:22.15 | tensai | findlay: gcc -g probably |
| 06:22.36 | tensai | vontrapp: maybe his illness spread to falcon |
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| 06:27.20 | resplin | Is anyone around? |
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| 06:27.59 | xbmodder | resplin, hell yeah! |
| 06:28.23 | resplin | Good. I was wondering if anyone here has been following the plug discussion about version control. |
| 06:28.42 | resplin | I'm experimenting with darcs tonight, and had a few questions. |
| 06:28.43 | xbmodder | umm :-/ |
| 06:29.11 | xbmodder | not the best person to ask. |
| 06:29.15 | xbmodder | i will try to help |
| 06:29.34 | resplin | Have you used darcs before? |
| 06:30.06 | xbmodder | no |
| 06:30.14 | xbmodder | i can learn pretty fast though |
| 06:30.37 | vontrapp | i have checked out a source tree from darcs |
| 06:31.07 | resplin | My questions are more theory: |
| 06:31.19 | resplin | With CVS I can roll back to any version of the code at any time. |
| 06:31.50 | resplin | When using a distributed repository system, how is that done? Does every repository have a complete changeset history, or is there no location where one can get a full revision history? |
| 06:31.59 | resplin | Do you have any idea? |
| 06:32.16 | vontrapp | no, sorry |
| 06:32.19 | findlay | tensai: thanks |
| 06:32.19 | findlay | [Lag: 79 (??)] |
| 06:32.21 | vontrapp | hans would probably know |
| 06:32.34 | resplin | hans knows all. |
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| 06:33.44 | resplin | My other question is simpler: sometimes I like to browse the CVS repository to see all the changes made to a specific file (helps with bug fixing). Can I do that with arch or darcs? |
| 06:35.53 | findlay | why??!@!@!!!!! |
| 06:35.54 | findlay | stupid lag |
| 06:35.54 | findlay | ~lart manti telephone |
| 06:41.01 | xbmodder | resplin, i think you can with darcs |
| 06:41.20 | resplin | xbmodder: do you have any idea how? |
| 06:41.26 | xbmodder | no. |
| 06:42.44 | xbmodder | Now for my Linux questions: I have a system with multiple disks. From 3-4 AM one of these disks can not be wrote to. I heard using LVM you can make a 'snapshot' and merge the image back together |
| 06:42.50 | xbmodder | can someone tell me how/ |
| 06:42.56 | xbmodder | or send me somewhere? |
| 06:43.57 | resplin | xbmodder: sorry,I have no idea short of dding the disk at 3, and dding back at 4 |
| 06:44.33 | xbmodder | resplin, :-/ |
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| 09:45.23 | sncs | mm |
| 09:45.38 | sncs | am I the only one insane enough to be up at 3am on a thursday? |
| 10:10.18 | bonez39 | I am up too |
| 10:10.23 | bonez39 | where are you sncs? |
| 10:10.27 | bonez39 | I am in salt lake |
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| 16:51.54 | levi | Good morning. |
| 16:54.09 | goozbach | ok so I want a copy of Make |
| 16:55.55 | tensai | http://www.gnu.org/software/make/ |
| 16:56.12 | levi | Make the magazine, you mean? |
| 17:02.29 | Jayce^ | goozbach, you should have come last night :) |
| 17:02.33 | Jayce^ | looking at stuarts? |
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| 17:07.35 | tensai | ~lart Maquis |
| 17:10.07 | tensai | how do I make redhat's ps not cut off at 80 characters? |
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| 17:32.48 | shadoi | tensai: ps -ewwf or ps fauwx |
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| 17:37.39 | tensai | shadoi: perfect. thanks. |
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| 17:38.44 | me | hello |
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| 17:42.16 | SpecialK | |lart maquis |
| 17:42.56 | Maquis | brigham: thanks... i won't be needing it in another 2 weeks anyways... :) |
| 17:43.26 | tensai | Maquis: are you going to grab file #2? I'd like to shut my machine down sometime soon... |
| 17:43.50 | Maquis | tensai: let me get it started |
| 17:43.55 | Maquis | :) |
| 17:44.41 | Maquis | tensai: should be starting download now |
| 17:45.33 | tensai | cool |
| 17:45.47 | Maquis | :) |
| 17:45.53 | tensai | I'm part way through the D's right now. This is gonna take forever to listen to. |
| 17:45.59 | Maquis | nice :) |
| 17:46.12 | tensai | 49 hours of music I think |
| 17:51.13 | tensai | ~sxsw |
| 17:51.15 | ibot | rumour has it, sxsw is The South by Southwest Festival is offering 49 hours of *FREE MUSIC*. http://2005.sxsw.com/geekout/sxsw4pod/ |
| 17:53.12 | hans | ooh, MJ is MIA |
| 17:54.31 | tensai | mj as in wacko jacko? |
| 17:56.00 | hans | yeah. didn't show up. warrant and all that. |
| 17:56.23 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.58 | levi | hans: Feeling any better today? |
| 17:59.28 | Jayce^ | ooh, news.google.com has a customize feature now? |
| 17:59.56 | hans | somehwat |
| 18:00.10 | hans | now I just ache. every centimeter of muscle |
| 18:00.33 | levi | Hrm. I don't think I have room for 2.6 Gigs of mp3s at the moment, nor would I have much luck getting it via bittorrent behind the work firewall. |
| 18:01.03 | Maquis | ls |
| 18:01.04 | levi | tensai: They have any good stuff? Is there a track listing? |
| 18:01.05 | Maquis | oops |
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| 18:01.15 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
| 18:01.23 | sjansen | hmm, no orbit |
| 18:01.25 | sjansen | ~seen orbit |
| 18:01.38 | ibot | orbit <~hanksdc_n@pollux.northsky.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 12d 21h 4m 38s ago, saying: 'mrpull: Make sure $ORACLE_HOME is set in your env. Usually when you build things against Oracle (e.g., DBD::Oracle) the build likes to have ORACLE_HOME set.'. |
| 18:01.58 | sjansen | obviously not a good place to catch him |
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| 18:04.01 | Hhhhh | Hhhhhello, i'm back |
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| 18:07.27 | xbmodder_ | hey |
| 18:07.31 | xbmodder_ | sup |
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| 18:10.45 | xbmodder_ | lalalala |
| 18:10.46 | levi | Grr. I hate it when files are only available with bittorrent. |
| 18:10.51 | tensai | levi: there's quite a bit of good stuff. I don't see a track listing though. |
| 18:11.38 | xbmodder_ | levi: bt is pretty cool. |
| 18:11.59 | tensai | levi: when Maquis finishes, you can leech it off me |
| 18:12.14 | xbmodder_ | heh |
| 18:12.17 | levi | xbmodder_: If you're not behind a firewall you can't control. |
| 18:12.58 | xbmodder_ | levi: true. |
| 18:18.10 | xbmodder_ | hmm. thinking of a good way to make a live cd. |
| 18:19.53 | shadoi | xbmodder_: morphix is a good way, why duplicate it all over and over? |
| 18:20.18 | xbmodder_ | no gentoo live cd. |
| 18:20.49 | xbmodder_ | i need a file system that keeps all changes in memory |
| 18:21.10 | shadoi | why? |
| 18:21.11 | brigham | why is it that IBM has to show its code to AIX, when SCO won't show any code... |
| 18:21.33 | xbmodder_ | shadoi: becuase gentoo deserves it. |
| 18:21.45 | shadoi | xbmodder_: but why does the FS need to keep changes in memory? |
| 18:22.13 | xbmodder_ | because itsz a cd-r |
| 18:22.19 | xbmodder_ | or packet writing. |
| 18:22.24 | xbmodder_ | :-/ |
| 18:22.26 | shadoi | heh |
| 18:22.50 | shadoi | good luck |
| 18:23.04 | xbmodder_ | i need it. |
| 18:25.00 | levi | xbmodder_: Why do you need to change the fs? |
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| 18:57.06 | levi | Virtual memory is a very, very good thing. |
| 18:57.50 | levi | Maquis: You studying it in your OS class? |
| 18:58.06 | Maquis | hypothetically i'm implementing it in my OS class |
| 18:58.25 | Maquis | unfortunately, it's quite hypothetical at this point... |
| 18:59.17 | Newsome | crap, another xbmodder to ignore? |
| 18:59.48 | Maquis | Newsome: ???? |
| 19:00.18 | Newsome | I've already got him and _lappy on ignore...looks like I'll have to start adding numerous _other_ variations too. |
| 19:00.28 | Maquis | Newsome: :) |
| 19:01.24 | levi | Maquis: Well, trust me... life sucks without an MMU and virtual memory. With Linux, at least. An OS and software designed without it probably wouldn't suck quite so badly. |
| 19:02.00 | Maquis | levi: i agree that without it it would suck... |
| 19:02.05 | Maquis | that much is clear |
| 19:02.07 | Maquis | but... |
| 19:02.33 | levi | I'm currently fighting with MMU-less Linux. |
| 19:02.36 | levi | It sucks. |
| 19:02.39 | Maquis | ah... |
| 19:02.41 | Maquis | i can imagine |
| 19:02.47 | levi | Sooooooo many pieces of software use fork()! |
| 19:02.51 | Maquis | i'm just annoyed at the moment because i don't quite get it.... |
| 19:04.01 | levi | That's understandable, but it's definitely worth 'getting'. :) |
| 19:04.15 | levi | Time for me to eat lunch. |
| 19:07.50 | goozbach | hmm gltron |
| 19:07.55 | goozbach | er I mean lunch |
| 19:08.58 | tensai | ~lart flakey hardware |
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| 19:54.28 | Maquis | kjfdkjf |
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| 20:02.44 | levi | Well, I hope my board boots this time... |
| 20:03.16 | levi | Nope... apparently still hanging in a vfork. |
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| 20:29.42 | levi | Yay! It wasn't vforking, it was forking, which just doesn't work. |
| 20:31.22 | tensai | levi: so why doesn't fork work without an mmu? |
| 20:36.32 | levi | tensai: Because the way Linux implements fork (via copy-on-write pages) doesn't work without a MMU. |
| 20:37.59 | tensai | ah, that makes sense. vfork doesn't do that then? does it copy the whole process? |
| 20:39.01 | levi | vfork creates a new process structure, but it uses the same memory space as the parent, which is suspended. |
| 20:39.28 | levi | You're pretty limited in what you can do in the child process before calling _exit() or exec(). |
| 20:39.40 | levi | At which point the parent resumes processing. |
| 20:40.14 | tensai | so you can't use vfork like fork at all. you have to execve a new process after vfork |
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| 20:41.45 | tensai | from the vfork man page: "It is rather unfortunate that Linux revived this spectre from the past." |
| 20:42.14 | levi | tensai: Well, lots of uses of fork immediately exec in the child process. |
| 20:42.46 | levi | tensai: Otherwise, you have to do some logical rearranging of the code so that you do so. |
| 20:43.12 | levi | Well, it's not unfortunate when fork isn't implemented. |
| 20:44.02 | tensai | ok, right. that's not how I meant it. vfork can't be used to create two of the same process like fork can. |
| 20:46.02 | tensai | the man page hints at a race condition of being signalled before calling exec. is that really an issue? |
| 20:46.29 | levi | Well, you can re-exec the same process in the child, if you've set things up so that'll make sense. |
| 20:47.08 | Tene | 13:46 < Kerish> I hate WinXP. |
| 20:47.08 | Tene | 13:46 < Kerish> I want WinME back. |
| 20:47.09 | levi | tensai: What race condition are you referring to? |
| 20:47.17 | levi | Ew, WinME sucks. |
| 20:48.03 | tensai | ~lart Kerish for not having any sense |
| 20:48.59 | tensai | levi: I dunno. apparently there isn't one then. I guess since a vfork'd process isn't supposed to touch the parent's data it can't really handle a signal properly. |
| 20:49.45 | Tene | 13:46 < Kerish> I hate WinXP. Multiple instances of so many things. Pointlessness to a new degree. |
| 20:49.48 | Tene | 13:46 < Kerish> I want WinME back. |
| 20:49.50 | levi | Well, there's really not a lot of use to vforking aside from immediately exec()ing. |
| 20:49.55 | Tene | I forgot part of the first bit |
| 20:50.07 | Tene | he's complaining about multiple instances of javascript running, he says |
| 20:50.11 | Tene | kinda... silly |
| 20:50.28 | levi | WinME still sucks. He can have it back as soon as he reinstalls it, though, I don't care. |
| 20:50.54 | tensai | I hope he takes every single copy |
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| 20:56.09 | Tene | he can't because "Where am I gonna get it?" |
| 20:56.19 | Tene | which implies that at least someone has been destroying copies. |
| 20:59.23 | levi | Uh, ebay perhaps? |
| 20:59.27 | levi | There are a ton of listings there. |
| 21:00.20 | levi | Many of them are even legal. |
| 21:02.53 | levi | It would only imply that someone had been destroying copies if this person had actually made an effort to find one. |
| 21:03.10 | Tene | Curse your logic! |
| 21:03.15 | Tene | Let me keep my delusions! |
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| 22:14.47 | mrpull | does anyone use Cacti? |
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| 22:19.41 | tensai | mrpull: yes, extensively |
| 22:20.06 | Bradipo | Any recommendations on a good Japonese restaurant in Utah Valley? |
| 22:20.28 | mrpull | tensai: perchance are you graphing BigIP VIPs? |
| 22:20.30 | tensai | levi: Maquis is done if you want to have a shot |
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| 22:20.51 | Bradipo | I know of Yamato's and Asuka, but I am not really well versed in Japonese food. |
| 22:20.54 | tensai | mrpull: since I don't recognize what those are I'm going to say no |
| 22:21.05 | mrpull | F5 load balancers... rats |
| 22:21.13 | mrpull | it is "almost" working |
| 22:21.33 | mrpull | do you combine multiple ports from multiple devices into a single graph? |
| 22:21.35 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.46 | mrpull | joshc:... that may be true. |
| 22:21.58 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.11 | tensai | mrpull: no, we don't. one device one graph |
| 22:22.12 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.18 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.20 | Bradipo | Sorry, Japanese (I was thinking half in English, half in Italian Giapponese is how it is said in Italian). So, any good Japanese restaurants in Utah ValleY? |
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| 22:22.35 | levi | tensai: Sure. |
| 22:22.38 | mrpull | ok. thanks tensai. I'm 0 for 2 so far... |
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| 22:23.41 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.56 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.49 | tensai | Bradipo: I liked Yamato's alright. it's been quite a while tho |
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| 22:32.43 | bucky | my buddy in shiprock is an artist and he wants to get a mac.. is there a good source for refurbs or something affordable? |
| 22:34.14 | tensai | ~lart me for restarting bind on the wrong box |
| 22:34.16 | neybar | Bradipo: I really enjoy Yamatos |
| 22:36.00 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.35 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.21 | levi | Sounds bizarre. |
| 22:42.08 | neybar | i've heard of the movie, but I haven't watched it. |
| 22:42.57 | mrpull | bucky: Mac fans seem to think that their gear never depreciates |
| 22:43.19 | mrpull | finding a good deal is rare |
| 22:43.20 | bucky | right |
| 22:43.34 | mrpull | student discounts is a good way to go |
| 22:43.44 | bucky | hmm... |
| 22:44.02 | mrpull | there are a lot of cougars in #utah... they might be able to help |
| 22:44.13 | mrpull | tho I don't know if that is a legit use of the discount |
| 22:44.44 | bucky | prolly could arrange something here at CEU |
| 22:45.01 | mrpull | maybe so. |
| 22:46.03 | mrpull | has he considered a mini? |
| 22:46.15 | mrpull | $500 bucks isn't that much to get a foot in the apple door |
| 22:46.33 | Bradipo | What about Asuka or Happy Sumo? |
| 22:46.34 | bucky | he's not very tech savy and all he wants is photoshop i think |
| 22:46.56 | mrpull | does he have a windows box? photoshop is photoshop? right? |
| 22:47.20 | mrpull | i'd imagine photoshop will drain his budget anyway :) |
| 22:47.25 | bucky | that's what he told me.. i'm not aware of photoshop on mac so i don't know |
| 22:47.44 | mrpull | it is very similar on OSX |
| 22:48.51 | bucky | i'm just trying to help him out because he's a friend and he's well renown in jewelry making circles |
| 22:49.34 | tensai | Bradipo: I've never been to either |
| 22:49.37 | bucky | i'll offer to make him a pc |
| 22:50.48 | bucky | oh.. i miss read his email... he only needs an apple monitor |
| 22:51.12 | levi | Well, those are just as expensive as the Macs these days. :) |
| 22:51.26 | levi | What sort of Mac does he have? |
| 22:51.44 | levi | You can really attach just about any monitor to a Mac now. |
| 22:53.24 | bucky | i don't know.. i'll have to probably drive out to shiprock to find out |
| 22:55.43 | levi | This is so yummy: http://popularhotrodding.com/tech/0504phr_ls7/ |
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| 22:57.24 | goozbach | ~mock emcnabb |
| 22:57.26 | ibot | ACTION pulls emcnabb's pants down and shows the world emcnabb's pink spotted underwear |
| 22:57.39 | goozbach | |mock emcnabb |
| 22:58.14 | emcnabb | :-( |
| 23:01.02 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.14 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.48 | levi | joshc: It's the engine in the production '06 Corvette, not just a race engine. |
| 23:03.13 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.22 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.37 | levi | Well, it's not my favorite car. |
| 23:03.43 | jakea | I need a lart for another room |
| 23:03.46 | jakea | ~lart jakea |
| 23:03.49 | levi | But I would like to put the engine in a lightweight roadster body. |
| 23:04.00 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.04 | levi | Like a Miata, or a Cobra with modern suspension. :) |
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| 23:13.50 | emcnabb_ | hotel networks suck |
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| 23:19.26 | xbmodder_lappy | hey! |
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| 23:46.59 | starman | does anyone know if there are laws against data mining? There is a site that has information that is clearly available to the public. it would take me months to collect all the data by hand, but with a perl script I could do it in a few hours. |
| 23:50.41 | xbmodder_lappy | starman, i believe there is i think it depends on the Data. |
| 23:50.46 | xbmodder_lappy | may i know the site? |
| 23:53.19 | starman | it's a college directory |
| 23:53.26 | Tene | my thoughts would be about what is said on the site about use of the data |
| 23:53.46 | Tene | and what you're going to use it for |
| 23:54.04 | Tene | if it will benefit those people, then I doubt they'll complain |
| 23:54.14 | Tene | if you're a spammer, then go throw a brick through your window |
| 23:54.32 | starman | that makes sense. I don't spam though. |
| 23:55.15 | Tene | they all opted in, right? wink wink nudge nudge |
| 23:55.26 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.35 | tensai | I wouldn't assume an of what Tene tells you will hold up in court |
| 23:55.48 | Tene | goodness, no |
| 23:56.00 | Tene | don't assume any of what I say is even near correct |
| 23:56.00 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.11 | Tene | or even not intended to decieve you |
| 23:56.13 | tensai | there's a lot to be said for asking permission |
| 23:56.19 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.07 | starman | perhaps just asking if anybody knows a site where I can find the information without bugging anybody with questions of legal advice. |
| 23:57.33 | Tene | you should always presume that I am a hostile enemy, trying to destroy your life through misinformation |
| 23:58.32 | tensai | Tene: aha! I have detected that your are trying to deceive me. Therefore I will thwart your plan by assuming you are indeed my friend. |
| 23:58.48 | Tene | Curses, foiled again! |
| 23:59.02 | goozbach | scorched3d roxors |
| 23:59.03 | starman | very good. funny. |
| 23:59.22 | goozbach | note to self: gimp != gaim |
| 23:59.31 | Tene | heh |
| 23:59.37 | drewbono | starman: You aren't going to exploit BYU's ldap now, are you? |
| 23:59.38 | starman | I would use the term "lol" but I assume that it has been far overused by now. |
| 23:59.54 | goozbach | killall -9 gimp will not kill runaway gaim processes |
