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| 00:32.52 | mheath | Hey, Maquis |
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| 02:24.13 | Maquis | can anybody explain what a markov source is without going overly in depth? |
| 02:24.50 | Maquis | i'm trying to read an article that i found about data encoding, but it's talking about markov sources and markov states.. |
| 02:24.59 | Maquis | wikipedia doesn't have anything on them |
| 02:25.08 | Maquis | and everything i can find on google is *way* over my head.... |
| 02:33.53 | LeviHome | That just gives you incentive to learn lots in school. ;) |
| 02:35.40 | LeviHome | Markov sources and states are related to Markov chains, aren't they? |
| 02:49.00 | LeviHome | There's quite a bit in Wikipedia about stochastic processes and the Markov property. |
| 02:55.08 | Maquis | LeviHome: i don't know what in the world it is... :) |
| 02:55.15 | Maquis | anyway, i'll be back in a few |
| 02:55.18 | Maquis | driving down to school |
| 03:06.13 | LeviHome | Maquis: If you can read this, I may be around later tonight and I've read enough to give a very basic explanation of Markov chains and how they relate to Markov sources and states. |
| 03:06.59 | LeviHome | Maquis: If not, reading Wikipedia stuff on Markov chains will tell you what it's about. |
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| 03:14.00 | Maquis | LeviHome: mmk |
| 03:14.05 | Maquis | thanks a ton! |
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| 03:27.13 | levi-laptop | Maquis: ahh, you're back. Good. |
| 03:28.30 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:28.53 | Maquis | to explain where this question is coming from, real quick... |
| 03:28.56 | levi-laptop | OK. Markov chains are systems where the next state of the system is completely determined by the current state and a random value. |
| 03:29.08 | Maquis | ok... |
| 03:29.32 | Maquis | this seems to be talking about using markov sources as images or something...??? |
| 03:29.45 | levi-laptop | As opposed to a system that has a 'memory' of past states that also go towards the next state. |
| 03:30.21 | Maquis | ok... |
| 03:33.55 | levi-laptop | You can represent a Markov chain by a matrix of probabilities. |
| 03:33.59 | Maquis | so, when they are trying to encode a markov source by separating it into memoryless sources according to markov-states, what does that mean? |
| 03:34.49 | Maquis | (i'm reading an article on "bi-level image coding" discussing the differences between block encoding and arithmetic encoding... |
| 03:34.52 | Maquis | ) |
| 03:35.10 | Maquis | (it's more interesting than studying for my civ exam) |
| 03:36.21 | levi-laptop | Maquis: The matrix of probabilities works as a state transition table. |
| 03:36.42 | Maquis | state transition table? as in, if you're in state 3, you will go to state 9? |
| 03:36.43 | Maquis | or what? |
| 03:36.48 | levi-laptop | Yeah. |
| 03:36.50 | Maquis | ok... |
| 03:38.02 | levi-laptop | Except each source state (Markov source) has a row of the matrix which represents the probabilities of what the next Markov state will be. |
| 03:38.15 | Maquis | ok... |
| 03:39.00 | Maquis | i'm still not quite certain what they're encoding here... |
| 03:39.19 | levi-laptop | Do you have URL for the paper? |
| 03:39.28 | Maquis | i can find it... |
| 03:39.29 | Maquis | one moment |
| 03:40.08 | Maquis | ok... |
| 03:40.12 | Maquis | this'll take an additional moment |
| 03:40.33 | Maquis | google scholar is blocked by the cs dept blocking, so i'm going to have to route through goo's server |
| 03:41.05 | levi-laptop | Heh, that's dumb. |
| 03:41.09 | Maquis | yeah |
| 03:41.15 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.16 | Maquis | Banned combination phrase found. |
| 03:43.50 | Maquis | http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/abs_free.jsp?arNumber=63977 |
| 03:44.21 | Maquis | Newsome: it's stupid that google scholar is locked |
| 03:47.12 | Maquis | levi-laptop: the whole article (so far, i'm about half-way through the first page) is way above my head... but it seems like an interesting topic... |
| 03:48.18 | levi-laptop | I don't have access to the full article, apparently. |
| 03:48.37 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 03:48.38 | Newsome | Maquis: hmmmm |
| 03:48.44 | Maquis | Newsome: it's really annoying |
| 03:48.50 | Maquis | byu does it in my apartment too |
| 03:49.04 | Maquis | and i got into a big argument with whoever it is that manages that |
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| 03:49.15 | Newsome | Maquis: I don't think it's CS |
| 03:49.54 | Maquis | Newsome: it says to contact "proxymaster@cs.byu.edu" and it says "BYU Computer Science Department" on the access denied page |
| 03:49.58 | Newsome | hrm |
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| 03:50.18 | Maquis | it's denied because of "Banned combination phrase found" |
| 03:50.18 | tensai | ~lart firewire |
| 03:50.33 | Maquis | i doubt it was a banned phrase in my search terms... |
| 03:50.54 | tensai | Maquis: you need a good off campus shell account with web proxy |
| 03:51.50 | Maquis | tensai: yup |
| 03:51.56 | Maquis | that's what goo's server is for |
| 03:52.38 | Maquis | Newsome: the cs dept block pages are the ones with the big bright orange "access has been denied" across the top, right? |
| 03:52.58 | Maquis | levi-laptop: sorry... ummm... do you not have a "PDF Full-Text" link at the bottom? |
| 03:53.05 | tensai | Maquis: so my server wasn't good enough? ok. I see how it is. |
| 03:53.05 | Newsome | Maquis: not sure...I don't think I've ever seen that page :) |
| 03:53.32 | Maquis | tensai: i don't think you were around the day that i was really desperate for off-campus shell accounts |
| 03:53.39 | Maquis | and once i had one, i didn't need another.. :) |
| 03:54.03 | levi-laptop | I do, but I am not accessing from an IEEE subsribing institution, so I'm not allowed to access it. |
| 03:54.10 | Maquis | hmmm.. |
| 03:54.53 | tensai | Maquis: if you'd taken me up the first time I offered you wouldn't have been so desperate |
| 03:54.59 | Maquis | tensai: good point |
| 03:56.14 | Newsome | Maquis: you on krusty? |
| 03:56.59 | Maquis | Newsome: yup |
| 03:57.16 | Newsome | 128.187.175.101 http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22bi-level+image+coding+with+melcode%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Search *DENIED* Banned combination phrase found: google, &safe=off GET 5223 |
| 03:57.25 | Maquis | yeah |
| 03:57.27 | Newsome | Looks like it doesn't like "safe=off" |
| 03:57.36 | Maquis | ah... that's the same thing i argued with OIT about |
| 03:57.46 | Maquis | google scholars doesn't have a safe-search option |
| 03:57.54 | Maquis | (and that's NOT a bug in google...) |
| 03:58.06 | Maquis | (sorry... OIT has been trying to convince me that it's a bug in google) |
| 03:58.18 | Newsome | odd |
| 03:58.46 | Maquis | it makes sense for it not to have safe-search when it's only searching through scholarly journals.... |
| 03:59.07 | Newsome | right...I wonder why it's triggering |
| 03:59.28 | Maquis | dunno, but it's really annoying |
| 03:59.37 | Maquis | i'm glad that you at least agree that it shouldn't be... |
| 04:00.43 | Maquis | so, do you get a list of all the pages that trigger the access denied??? |
| 04:01.16 | levi-laptop | Maquis: Anything encoding with Markov chains is probably also entropy encoding. |
| 04:01.24 | Maquis | ah.... |
| 04:01.38 | Newsome | Maquis: yeah, but I've never looked at the logs very closely |
| 04:01.41 | Maquis | that might make things make a bit more sense... :) |
| 04:01.44 | Maquis | Newsome: :) |
| 04:01.58 | byronc | Maquis: what happens if you go to http://www.google.com/preferences?hl=en, set moderate or strict safe search and then search on google scholar again. |
| 04:02.41 | tenebram | Maquis: try just adding "&safe=on" to the url? |
| 04:02.42 | Maquis | byronc: still blocked |
| 04:02.50 | Maquis | actually Newsome i'm kind of curious about one thing |
| 04:03.21 | Maquis | in my apartment, i can get the first page of results, but nothing beyond that... |
| 04:03.47 | Maquis | tenebram: that works... |
| 04:03.52 | Maquis | but it's a bit of a hassle |
| 04:04.41 | Newsome | hmm, odd |
| 04:05.04 | Maquis | sorry to bug you about this, but it's been a bit of an annoyance for me... |
| 04:05.08 | Newsome | from the banned list: <google>,<&safe=off> |
| 04:05.25 | Maquis | but that first page didn't say "&safe=off" did it/ |
| 04:06.02 | Maquis | so, technically, it shouldn't be blocked, should it? |
| 04:07.03 | Newsome | I'm not sure. I wonder if it's inside the HTML |
| 04:07.04 | byronc | Maquis: it does say it, just not in the URL |
| 04:07.04 | Maquis | but... but.... WHY????? |
| 04:07.10 | Maquis | why can't scholars be an exception to the rule???? |
| 04:07.29 | levi-laptop | Maquis: Maybe there's some research with nudity. :P |
| 04:07.58 | Maquis | levi-laptop: not on a search for "RSA Encryption" or anything like that |
| 04:08.22 | levi-laptop | You never know. |
| 04:08.33 | Maquis | ~lart levi-laptop |
| 04:10.02 | Maquis | whichever is easier |
| 04:10.34 | Newsome | Maquis: try it again |
| 04:11.14 | Maquis | Newsome: nice!!!! |
| 04:11.16 | Maquis | it works |
| 04:11.22 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:11.28 | Maquis | now, if you can send that over to OIT........ |
| 04:11.30 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:11.47 | levi-laptop | Yay, now Maquis can continue on her way towards scholarhood. ;) |
| 04:12.26 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:12.29 | Maquis | thanks a ton Newsome !!!!! |
| 04:14.39 | Maquis | "coding and transmission schemes for messages having more than one symbol such as those from binary sources..." |
| 04:14.43 | Maquis | ? |
| 04:28.36 | levi-laptop | I don't really get it either. |
| 04:28.53 | levi-laptop | Time for me to go to bed. G'night! |
| 04:29.01 | Maquis | levi-laptop: thanks for the help |
| 04:29.02 | Maquis | gnight |
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| 05:01.35 | tensai | ~hug radio paradise |
| 05:01.37 | ibot | ACTION hugs radio paradise |
| 05:01.48 | tensai | ~spoon radio paradise |
| 05:01.51 | ibot | ACTION gouges out radio paradise's eyes with a small plastic spoon |
| 05:02.05 | tensai | ibot: remind me not to date you |
| 05:03.34 | brailsmt | why a spoon? |
| 05:03.44 | brailsmt | because it hurts more you twit! |
| 05:03.47 | brailsmt | -Robin Hood |
| 05:05.30 | Maquis | ~lart brailsmt |
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| 05:43.10 | bonez39 | Maquis, I hate asking...but do you have any PowerPoint experience? |
| 05:43.16 | Maquis | bonez39: yeah... |
| 05:43.17 | Maquis | brb |
| 05:45.05 | Maquis | bonez39: what's the question |
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| 05:45.19 | Maquis | i have minimal experience with powerpoint, but there is some experience... |
| 05:45.37 | findlay | ~lart Maquis' powerpoint experience |
| 05:45.52 | bonez39 | Maquis, well, my wife is in St. George right now.....I scanned 6 images...colored line drawings....they were saved as .tif files....and then again also as .png files..... |
| 05:47.05 | bonez39 | Maquis, she has powerpoint open to the presentation she will give tomorrow morning....she has a new slide open....and she thinks she is copying the slide information from the Gimp, on her windows machine...and then switches to PP ..and the Paste menu item is greyed out....can't paste the image into the new slide. |
| 05:48.38 | findlay | bonez39: can't she use powerpoint's builtin image import functionality? |
| 05:49.03 | bonez39 | findlay, I suppose she could..where is the builtin image import? |
| 05:49.19 | Maquis | bonez39: yeah... there's an image import someplace |
| 05:49.22 | bonez39 | I looked for that this morning...before I headed off to work..but couldn't find anything to import graphics... |
| 05:49.23 | Maquis | try right-clicking? |
| 05:49.34 | findlay | can't say since I'm not on a windows box now, but I'm certain you can do it |
| 05:49.50 | findlay | there's probably an 'insert' menu or something |
| 05:49.58 | bonez39 | I tried right click on it this morning....if I could remotely connect to her laptop..she is connect with wireless broadband at her hotel.... |
| 05:50.02 | bonez39 | ok |
| 05:50.16 | Maquis | or there's the different types of slides, where you can have them with a picture box |
| 05:50.26 | Maquis | there's some way in one of the menus to add a picture box... |
| 05:50.27 | findlay | it'll give you some kind of file browser dialog and you pick your image |
| 05:50.54 | bonez39 | I think I am going to find her a kinkos and have her go there...find the geek on duty and have them help her with this... |
| 05:51.26 | Maquis | bonez39: good option |
| 06:05.25 | bonez39 | wife puts it off to the very last minute and then expect me to be Mr. Houdini.........magician.. |
| 06:08.55 | Goshen | Bonez39: save the pictures as jpg |
| 06:09.06 | Goshen | then place them |
| 06:09.11 | Goshen | is she using openoffice? |
| 06:09.40 | bonez39 | Goshen, really? even though PowerPoint explicitly states..that no filter is required to import and use both .tif and .png file formats? |
| 06:09.55 | bonez39 | no, would be easier if she were..she's doing this with PowerPoint.. |
| 06:10.00 | Goshen | I just know that MS crap works better with jpg or bmp |
| 06:10.19 | Goshen | lucky for you I have MS crap installed |
| 06:10.29 | bonez39 | hmmm ok, I could get the files, save as .jpg and mail those to her....I'll try that.... |
| 06:10.39 | Goshen | insert/picture/from file.. |
| 06:11.13 | Goshen | to place the picture in the slide |
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| 06:11.56 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 06:11.58 | Goshen | I just did a search for *.png using windows |
| 06:12.09 | Goshen | then dragged the picture from there to powerpoint and it worked fine |
| 06:12.28 | SpecialK | So if I wanted to go look at some gcc source, where would I find it? |
| 06:12.33 | Goshen | igg..this gives me the creaps Scott :) |
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| 06:12.58 | SpecialK | or c++ library source I suppose |
| 06:12.59 | Goshen | talking about this stuff in here |
| 06:13.15 | Maquis | ~lart sjansen-treo |
| 06:13.17 | Goshen | bonez39: I also dragged a .tif over to powerpoint as well |
| 06:13.17 | Goshen | works fine |
| 06:13.18 | sjansen-treo | what a strange day |
| 06:13.24 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: tell us about it |
| 06:13.24 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 06:14.13 | sjansen-treo | went to see an apartment in the same building as a friend |
| 06:14.19 | Goshen | Maquis: you work at SCO? :P |
| 06:14.23 | Maquis | Goshen: no |
| 06:14.33 | bonez39 | Goshen, how did you drag it over? |
| 06:14.41 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: and? |
| 06:14.56 | sjansen-treo | while I was sitting in the intersection just after the exit, heard a siren |
| 06:15.05 | Maquis | uh huh.... |
| 06:15.06 | Maquis | and? |
| 06:15.07 | Goshen | hold down left mouse button on file name...move mouse to powerpoint icon on task bar....powerpoint pops up...drop in slide |
| 06:16.01 | sjansen-treo | suddenly a truck blows by me in the leftmost lane, followed closely by a cop car with siren blaring and lightsflashing |
| 06:16.11 | Maquis | ooooh... cool |
| 06:16.13 | Maquis | what happened/ |
| 06:16.37 | sjansen-treo | don't know how the truck got anywhere, intersection was so stacked |
| 06:16.51 | Maquis | so, did he get out? |
| 06:17.00 | sjansen-treo | the light changed and we all calmly proceeded |
| 06:17.09 | Maquis | you didn't see him again? |
| 06:17.16 | sjansen-treo | nope |
| 06:17.21 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 06:17.31 | Maquis | that's somewhat anti-climactic |
| 06:17.42 | sjansen-treo | strange how all of us just carried on lke nothing had happened |
| 06:18.00 | Maquis | suppose |
| 06:18.03 | sjansen-treo | now for the odd part of the day |
| 06:18.07 | Maquis | oooh!!! |
| 06:18.10 | findlay | sjansen-treo: my cousin says to contact him soon if you want to look into his place because he may have somebody else live there |
| 06:18.24 | sjansen-treo | just got home five minutes ago |
| 06:18.35 | Maquis | ok |
| 06:19.04 | sjansen-treo | getting ready for bed when I here some banging noises in the kitchen |
| 06:19.10 | Maquis | uh oh.... |
| 06:19.15 | sjansen-treo | not falling banging noises |
| 06:19.44 | bonez39 | Goshen, I'll have Deby try that..and see if it works.... |
| 06:19.44 | sjansen-treo | something coming threw open window noises |
| 06:20.00 | sjansen-treo | but the window was closed |
| 06:20.08 | Maquis | uh huh... |
| 06:20.10 | Maquis | and?// |
| 06:20.14 | findlay | I was driving home with my dad on I-215 after a symphony rehearsal and the northbound highway was completely closed off |
| 06:20.38 | findlay | eventually we see this old boat driving at about 25 followed by about 15 police cars |
| 06:20.39 | sjansen-treo | so I turn around and jump in surprise as a black bird flies at me |
| 06:20.51 | Maquis | a black bird? |
| 06:20.58 | SpecialK | NEVERMORE |
| 06:21.01 | Maquis | findlay: why in the world was a boat driving by? |
| 06:21.11 | sjansen-treo | it's scared too and flies for my bedroom |
| 06:21.18 | findlay | Maquis: it's an old big car |
| 06:21.30 | SpecialK | ~nevermore |
| 06:21.31 | ibot | [nevermore] godly also, but too short |
| 06:21.39 | sjansen-treo | so I open the front door and chase it out with a hat |
| 06:21.41 | Maquis | findlay: oh... i was hoping that ther was really a boat driving down the steet |
| 06:21.47 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: how did it get inside? |
| 06:21.55 | Maquis | was it coming in to get you? |
| 06:22.01 | Maquis | hey!!! |
| 06:22.12 | Maquis | i wanted to know the rest of findlay's story too |
| 06:22.52 | sjansen-treo | it must have flown open during the ten second the door was open when I got home |
| 06:23.03 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: wouldn't you have seen it? |
| 06:23.27 | Maquis | i mean... generally, if a giant bird swoops in through the door while i'm going through, i'd think that i'd notice |
| 06:23.33 | sjansen-treo | unless someone broke in and planted bird in my apartment |
| 06:23.40 | Maquis | that's a much better story |
| 06:23.50 | sjansen-treo | you'd think I'd hae seen or heard it |
| 06:24.01 | Maquis | yeah |
| 06:24.26 | Maquis | if it was planted by someone, that would at least put a little bit of climax into story time |
| 06:24.40 | Maquis | since the other stories were somewhat anticlimactic |
| 06:25.00 | Maquis | (well, ok... something clanging around in your kitchen was somewhat climactic...) |
| 06:25.13 | sjansen-treo | no windows open, swamp cooler too small, vents to small, no way it could have crawled up the drier vent |
| 06:25.23 | Maquis | hmmmmm... |
| 06:25.30 | Maquis | weird |
| 06:26.19 | sjansen-treo | anyway |
| 06:26.30 | sjansen-treo | time for all good boys to go to bed |
| 06:26.40 | Maquis | gnight sjansen-treo |
| 06:26.44 | sjansen-treo | good girls too, probably |
| 06:26.49 | Maquis | well... |
| 06:26.54 | Maquis | i suppose i'm not a good girl then :) |
| 06:27.07 | Maquis | i'm doing a bit better than i did last week |
| 06:28.55 | Maquis | but... |
| 06:29.05 | Maquis | if that's the last story i hear before bed..... |
| 06:29.53 | SpecialK | quoth the raven, 'Never more. . .' |
| 06:32.25 | bonez39 | dayyyyyaaaammmmmm . some women....hard to educate about power point... |
| 06:34.22 | bonez39 | Maquis, I need my wife to hook up with you...need one of those helmuts where you both wear one..and do a brain knowledge transfer....or copy....;) |
| 06:34.56 | Goshen | bonez39: did you get it? |
| 06:35.12 | Maquis | bonez39: :) |
| 06:37.56 | Maquis | bonez39: sometimes i wish i could do that with some of my roommates |
| 06:39.26 | Maquis | the good ole' "no, you really do need to save files on something besides a floppy" |
| 06:40.05 | bonez39 | Goshen, well, I dug out her old laptop..going to experiment on it...... |
| 06:41.37 | Goshen | its drag and drop...can't she get it? |
| 06:41.47 | Goshen | there isn't anything to go wrong... |
| 06:43.56 | Goshen | don't try to drago from Gimp...it doesn't play well with windows |
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| 06:44.06 | Hhhhh | hello |
| 06:44.13 | Goshen | drag from start/search or windows explorer |
| 06:44.16 | Goshen | Hello Hhhhh |
| 06:44.36 | Hhhhh | any experienced Ut2k4 player here? i'm having some problems |
| 06:44.53 | bonez39 | that's just it....the files, since they were opened and manipulated with Gimp...windows version.....won't play nice with anything on her laptop.... |
| 06:45.23 | Goshen | no, once you save the file it is just a file... |
| 06:45.33 | Goshen | you just can't drag from gimp, because of the GTK stuff |
| 06:45.43 | Goshen | have her do a start/search *.tif |
| 06:45.49 | Goshen | then drag that filename over to powerpoint |
| 06:45.50 | bonez39 | with her old machine..yeah, I created a new slide and went to Insert, then Picture..and it brought up a list....but I bet if the picture I wanted was either .tif or .png it would not just grab it and insert it.. |
| 06:48.43 | Goshen | ok, this is what you need to do... |
| 06:48.53 | Goshen | make the presentation for her...and e-mail it over to her |
| 06:48.54 | Goshen | or... |
| 06:49.09 | Goshen | VNC in to her machine and show her how to do it remotely |
| 06:49.51 | bonez39 | ok, she is remotely connected at her hotel....over a wireless connection...I am willing to do this..show me the way... |
| 06:50.23 | bonez39 | the presentation is a 3 hour slide show...likely is 40 mb...or more in size..they are highly saturated image files... |
| 06:51.07 | bonez39 | I am all eyes and fingers....ready to type... |
| 06:51.36 | Goshen | well, is she running XP? |
| 06:52.03 | bonez39 | yeah, but XP home, i.e., crippled, piece of sh_t....stripped down....version...;) |
| 06:52.16 | Goshen | does it have remote assistance? |
| 06:52.25 | bonez39 | maybe this year..I'll convince her to toss all the MS stuff.and install a real OS on her laptop..;) |
| 06:52.33 | Goshen | start/all programs/remote assistance |
| 06:52.35 | bonez39 | It has remote assistance.... |
| 06:53.00 | Goshen | have her request a remote assistance from you and log in to her machine |
| 06:53.05 | Goshen | or... |
| 06:53.08 | bonez39 | from this point on, tonight anyway, it's me hacking my way into her machine.....she has hit the sack..has to rest so she won't fall asleep during her show |
| 06:53.30 | Goshen | one I have more experience with realVNC |
| 06:53.40 | Goshen | she installs RealVNC on her machine |
| 06:53.47 | Goshen | you install RealVNC |
| 06:53.51 | Goshen | you run a listening client |
| 06:53.54 | Goshen | and she runs a server |
| 06:54.16 | Goshen | she clicks add client...then types in your ip address |
| 06:55.45 | bonez39 | she just called....miracle..she learned how to right click..and cut and paste... |
| 06:55.47 | bonez39 | finally... |
| 06:56.11 | Goshen | congrats... |
| 06:56.17 | Goshen | Good night :) |
| 06:56.20 | bonez39 | it must have been all our hand-wringing.....she felt the Force....working to help her figure it out... |
| 06:56.21 | bonez39 | thanks.. |
| 06:56.23 | Maquis | bonez39: congrats |
| 06:56.36 | Maquis | you've done better than i've ever done |
| 06:57.15 | bonez39 | I didn't do anything..except encourage her..with y'all's help.. |
| 06:58.54 | Maquis | bonez39: then she's a lot better than most... |
| 06:59.01 | Maquis | anyway, time to go home |
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| 15:51.18 | bonez39 | I am running sawfish as my wm..if I get NO task bar at the top of the screen and no response to Alt-F2 or other such combination...has sawfish not loaded properly, or could something else be at fault? |
| 15:55.47 | tensai | do you have window decorations, ie. close, minimize, title bar? |
| 15:57.20 | bonez39 | tensai, yeah, I have those for each application, but I used to also have a task bar at the top.....with clock..and other application...and it used to allow Alt-F2 to bring up a run dialogue box...or Alt-F1 to open a system menu...to access everything... |
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| 16:00.43 | bonez39 | does my question have you stumped, tensai? |
| 16:02.54 | tensai | if you have a title bar, your window manager is running. strictly speaking a WM doesn't provide task bar, clock, etc. I don't think sawfish does. It relies on gnome, etc. for that. |
| 16:04.41 | levi | bonez39: When did that stuff stop appearing? Did you upgrade any packages or anything? |
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| 16:05.53 | levi | Maquis: If you really want a Sony laptop, clearanceclub.com looks like they have really good prices on them. |
| 16:07.17 | bonez39 | after I ran apt-get dist-upgrade.... |
| 16:07.51 | bonez39 | it gave me a cool new background.....and the latest, with debian...gnome titles...but it took away all keyboard shortcuts, etc.. |
| 16:08.02 | levi | bonez39: Did you let it overwrite any of your configuration files? |
| 16:08.30 | bonez39 | no, I believe I kept them all, but why would an upgrade wipe out keyboard access..and the taskbar and such essential stuff? |
| 16:09.24 | levi | Well, if you had a 1.x gnome and you upgraded to a 2.x gnome, it might have been confused trying to migrate your settings. |
| 16:10.27 | bonez39 | no, I have been running gnome 2.2 for a while now... |
| 16:10.32 | levi | Hmm. |
| 16:10.35 | levi | Beats me. |
| 16:10.36 | bonez39 | this worked fine before....with gnome 2.2 |
| 16:10.59 | levi | Things have probably changed a lot since gnome 2.2. They're on 2.8 now. |
| 16:11.15 | tensai | are there any messages in .xsession-errors? |
| 16:11.42 | tensai | seems like there's a .gnome-errors too or something. I haven't used gnome in a long time. |
| 16:11.54 | levi | Sawfish has kind of fallen by the wayside, too. Metacity is now the most integrated into gnome, but it's less configurable. |
| 16:12.17 | bonez39 | levi, how do I tell which wm I am running at present? |
| 16:16.01 | levi | Looking in your ps listings is probably the easiest way. |
| 16:16.09 | hans | pstree |
| 16:16.15 | levi | There's probably a gnome configuration option that would tell you, too. |
| 16:18.16 | levi | hans: Have you seen lambda-the-ultimate.org? |
| 16:18.21 | hans | no |
| 16:19.23 | bonez39 | hans, always something new from you...I never knew about pstree |
| 16:19.25 | bonez39 | thanks |
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| 16:20.56 | levi | hans: It's a programming language theory blog. They often have interesting stuff. |
| 16:22.04 | levi | hans: Named after the 'Lambda, the Ultimate X' papers, where X is a number of different language constructs such as 'goto'. |
| 16:23.14 | levi | hans: Which, if you're interested, can all be found here, along with tons of other interesting papers: http://readscheme.org/ |
| 16:23.56 | levi | hans: The Lambda papers were by Steele and Sussman, by the way. |
| 16:24.10 | hans | cool |
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| 16:33.07 | levi | Hmm, the original '75 scheme looks rather different from modern scheme. |
| 16:33.44 | spr | ~lart campus scheduling |
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| 16:45.28 | Maquis | spr: what'd campus scheduling mangle this time? |
| 16:46.40 | levi | Maquis: A friend of mine is teaching a CS class. You might find this exercise he created interesting: http://www.maykids.org/drupal/node/208 |
| 16:46.47 | levi | Has to do with image encoding. |
| 16:47.16 | levi | Via quadtrees instead of Markov chains, but at least it's easier to understand. :) |
| 16:48.59 | levi | Ooh, gmail has basic html mode now. |
| 16:49.21 | Maquis | levi: thanks... that sounds interesting |
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| 16:55.20 | natester | levi: yay? |
| 17:03.33 | spr | Maquis, nothing, but all the good rooms are taken |
| 17:07.16 | goozbach | bah! |
| 17:07.32 | goozbach | another webcomic I just have to daily now. |
| 17:07.40 | goozbach | they're like crack |
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| 17:08.55 | Jayce^ | what one? |
| 17:13.06 | goozbach | Jayce^: http://www.iccomics.com/chapters/prologue/ |
| 17:13.29 | goozbach | done by hawk, the same artist that does applegeeks |
| 17:14.13 | Jayce^ | no wonder he only updates it weekly :) |
| 17:14.20 | goozbach | nm it's not done by hawk, just well recomended by hawk |
| 17:14.25 | Jayce^ | ah |
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| 17:35.48 | levi | natester: I could now check gmail from an old Mac or PC, or possibly from my cell phone. |
| 17:41.36 | levi | Woo, yeah, I can get to gmail from my phone now. |
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| 17:58.14 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 18:04.17 | brailsmt | what does a cron entry like this mean, "-*/15 * * * * |
| 18:04.19 | brailsmt | "? |
| 18:04.32 | brailsmt | that the job runs every 15 minutes? |
| 18:04.38 | brailsmt | the -* is what is confusing me |
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| 18:08.38 | brailsmt | :) |
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| 18:12.40 | SpecialK | brailsmt: What are you waiting for? |
| 18:29.56 | levi | Cool, someone's writing cl-ajax. |
| 18:30.30 | neybar | anyone know of some good OS educational games for OSX |
| 18:30.52 | Jayce^ | fink can probably install the common linux ones |
| 18:31.30 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 18:35.36 | levi | Cool, Lars Wirzenius is a Lisp hacker. |
| 18:38.39 | hans | so would there be a meal at the thai pepper without carbs? |
| 18:40.37 | brailsmt | anyone know that the '-*' part of the following cron entry is? "-*/15 * * * * ..." |
| 18:42.23 | misterpull | the hyphen is usually for a range... |
| 18:42.31 | misterpull | but * means first-last.... |
| 18:42.39 | misterpull | so the hyphen is implied.... |
| 18:42.45 | misterpull | you'd probably be fine with out it. |
| 18:43.26 | misterpull | does your job run every 15 minutes with it there? |
| 18:43.28 | brailsmt | -*/15 * * * * root test -x /usr/lib/cron/run-crons && /usr/lib/cron/run-crons >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 18:43.36 | brailsmt | its from a SuSE 9.1 /etc/crontab |
| 18:44.57 | misterpull | lets see... checks if run-crons exists... then runs it... and redirects ALL output to /dev/null |
| 18:45.03 | misterpull | what is in run-crons? |
| 18:45.39 | brailsmt | misterpull: i know what the cron job is supposed to do... i just want to know what the heck the '-* |
| 18:45.44 | brailsmt | part is about... |
| 18:45.45 | misterpull | :) |
| 18:45.52 | misterpull | I shoulda guessed that. |
| 18:46.06 | misterpull | the * is like a wildcard right? |
| 18:46.13 | misterpull | if it is in the minute field |
| 18:46.17 | brailsmt | is it a bug in SuSE? or is it some obscure vixie cron-ism that i don't know about |
| 18:46.26 | misterpull | it is shorthand for 1,2,3,4,5,6...59 |
| 18:46.50 | misterpull | but i'm unsure about the hyphen in this case as well. |
| 18:46.54 | brailsmt | */15 is short for 0,15,30,45 |
| 18:47.04 | misterpull | that is correct |
| 18:49.15 | misterpull | i'd lean toward a suse bug (typo) |
| 18:49.34 | misterpull | i'd be interested to see what someone who knows more than I do will say. |
| 19:28.37 | bonez39 | I just replaced my mouse.....other died...do I need to reboot to get the new mouse working? |
| 19:29.08 | hans | what kind? |
| 19:29.10 | hans | usb? ps/2 |
| 19:29.23 | bonez39 | ps/2 |
| 19:29.26 | bonez39 | optical... |
| 19:29.41 | bonez39 | I plugged it in..the red light is glowing...but no response on screen yet. |
| 19:30.40 | SpecialK | ps/2 plug and playability varies. |
| 19:30.49 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 19:31.04 | bonez39 | mmmv.....certainly, |
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| 19:38.53 | SpecialK | Many BIOS's won't boot without a keyboard until you specify otherwise. |
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| 20:25.26 | Maquis | ~lart civilization tests |
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| 20:26.25 | tensai | ~wipe out civilization |
| 20:26.27 | ibot | # dd if=/dev/zero of=out civilization |
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| 20:26.59 | Maquis | hahahaha |
| 20:27.20 | Maquis | ~wipe out goozbach |
| 20:27.22 | ibot | # dd if=/dev/zero of=out goozbach |
| 20:29.31 | levi | ~wipe Maquis |
| 20:29.33 | ibot | # dd if=/dev/zero of=Maquis |
| 20:30.56 | Tene | hmm... |
| 20:31.20 | Tene | yesterday at the end of an email conversation with someone, I asked for the location of the meeting tomorrow |
| 20:31.27 | Tene | and still no response... |
| 20:31.43 | Tene | would it be good or rude to ask again? |
| 20:32.05 | tensai | how many 4 letter words are you proposing to use? |
| 20:32.20 | tensai | >12 is probably rude |
| 20:33.05 | tensai | you could just pretend to not remember whether you asked or not |
| 20:33.29 | Tene | hmm |
| 20:35.59 | Tene | that would be either insulting or a show of incompetence. |
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| 20:46.46 | tensai | send him an email from another account, tell him your mother died, you've been busy all day burying her and haven't been able to check your email so you weren't sure if he responded. |
| 20:50.24 | Maquis | Tene: just say that you've been really busy, and you remember that you forgot to email him to ask... |
| 20:51.15 | Maquis | or, that you were thinking of asking him, and you must've forgotten... |
| 20:51.18 | Maquis | something to that effect... |
| 20:51.31 | Tene | I apologize for repeating this request, but I am still unaware of the intended location of the meeting. Have you chosen a location yet? If you could get back to me on this, it would be quite helpful. :) |
| 20:51.35 | Tene | Thanks |
| 20:51.38 | Tene | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.41 | Tene | all done |
| 20:51.43 | Tene | now back to work |
| 20:51.46 | Maquis | ok |
| 20:51.49 | Tene | my break is over five minutes ago |
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| 20:53.24 | hans | Tene: just tell them you've been having email troubles and want to be sure it got through |
| 20:53.33 | sjansen | So does anyone have a favorite link checker? |
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| 20:53.42 | hans | sjansen: chain link? |
| 20:53.49 | sjansen | Web link |
| 20:53.56 | hans | wget? |
| 20:53.57 | brigham | wget is obviously there ;) |
| 20:54.15 | sjansen | Does wget create reports of broken links? |
| 20:54.34 | hans | i seem to recall vaguely something like that in the manpage. |
| 20:54.43 | sjansen | As for checking chain link, I prefer to throw a hans at it and see if it holds. |
| 20:56.22 | hans | Maquis: the beard would interact like velccro |
| 20:56.34 | Maquis | :) |
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| 21:00.36 | goozbach | you'd never get him off |
| 21:01.46 | Maquis | that'd be somewhat entertaining... |
| 21:02.15 | Jayce^ | goozbach, then just apply ample electricity.... |
| 21:02.31 | Jayce^ | it'll either throw him, or burn him off |
| 21:02.32 | Jayce^ | :) |
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| 21:05.35 | Maquis | |lart emcnabb |
| 21:05.42 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 21:05.49 | emcnabb | hello |
| 21:05.52 | Maquis | emcnabb: you teaching this week? |
| 21:05.59 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 21:06.19 | Maquis | where? |
| 21:06.20 | brigham | where is everyone |
| 21:06.21 | Maquis | how goes it? |
| 21:06.32 | goozbach | brigham: I'm right here |
| 21:06.52 | emcnabb | so last night I ate a steak, and it never digested |
| 21:06.59 | sjansen | why is brigham so annoying? |
| 21:07.00 | emcnabb | so all night I had a stomach ache |
| 21:07.09 | Maquis | that doesn't sound good |
| 21:07.17 | sjansen | when will brigham take a flying leap |
| 21:07.18 | Maquis | feeling better today? |
| 21:07.21 | emcnabb | I left to go to the training center this morning and in the hotel parking lot... I barfed all over the place |
| 21:07.32 | sjansen | when is brigham going to take a long walk off a short peer |
| 21:07.33 | Maquis | :( |
| 21:07.34 | emcnabb | (in the parking lot) |
| 21:07.34 | sjansen | why? |
| 21:07.36 | sjansen | when? |
| 21:07.36 | brigham | why is it that IBM has to show its code to AIX, when SCO won't show any code... |
| 21:07.39 | brigham | when is brigham going to shut up |
| 21:07.42 | emcnabb | after that I felt great |
| 21:07.56 | emcnabb | I guess my system just didn't like it |
| 21:08.05 | Maquis | emcnabb: i'm glad to hear that you're feeling better now... |
| 21:08.24 | sjansen | what is it going to take to get someone to nuke brigham |
| 21:08.56 | sjansen | how is brigham going to delete himself |
| 21:09.06 | Maquis | sjansen: cut it out! |
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| 21:09.20 | sjansen | who is going to to finally destroy brigham |
| 21:09.31 | sjansen | what? |
| 21:09.32 | brigham | what is brigham doing answer questions he's not asked |
| 21:09.32 | sjansen | when? |
| 21:09.34 | brigham | when is brigham going to shut up |
| 21:09.34 | sjansen | where? |
| 21:09.35 | brigham | where is everyone |
| 21:09.36 | sjansen | why? |
| 21:09.37 | brigham | why is it that IBM has to show its code to AIX, when SCO won't show any code... |
| 21:09.37 | sjansen | how? |
| 21:09.39 | sjansen | who? |
| 21:09.39 | brigham | how is brigham going to delete himself |
| 21:09.40 | brigham | who is on first |
| 21:09.54 | sjansen | My work here is done. |
| 21:10.00 | Maquis | Jayce^: please do |
| 21:10.07 | *** kick/#utah [sjansen!~jayce@pollux.northsky.com] by Jayce^ (Jayce^) |
| 21:10.21 | Jayce^ | just for you Maquis |
| 21:10.28 | Maquis | thanks! |
| 21:10.34 | tensai | Jayce^: and now brigham |
| 21:10.43 | *** kick/#utah [brigham!~jayce@pollux.northsky.com] by Jayce^ (Jayce^) |
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| 21:10.46 | brigham | Jayce^: I'm offended! |
| 21:10.51 | Jayce^ | oooh, evil |
| 21:10.57 | Maquis | wow... |
| 21:11.01 | Maquis | wonder how hans set that up... |
| 21:11.03 | Jayce^ | event loop |
| 21:11.11 | Jayce^ | most irc code is set for that |
| 21:11.19 | Jayce^ | dont' want to kickban though |
| 21:11.35 | Maquis | :) |
| 21:11.54 | Maquis | brigham doesn't want to be kickbanned either... |
| 21:11.57 | Maquis | but he's a good bot |
| 21:11.59 | tensai | I must confess I find it annoying that brigham speaks when not spoken to |
| 21:12.07 | Maquis | i think it's cool |
| 21:12.32 | tensai | I suppose you're entitled to you opinion no matter how wrong it is |
| 21:12.40 | Maquis | i think it'd be good if i could set him to not reply to certain words, but for certain things it's useful |
| 21:13.03 | Maquis | maybe hans knows of a way to make him not reply to certain words... |
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| 21:13.12 | tensai | it's fine if he learns automatically but he shouldn't reply automatically |
| 21:13.48 | Maquis | hans: is there a way to set that? |
| 21:14.55 | hans | sjansen talks when I don't want him to too. |
| 21:15.19 | hans | I don't see what's so bad about a bot doing it. Unless you are a bot bigot. ;-) |
| 21:15.35 | hans | Maquis: you're the owner now. |
| 21:15.45 | Maquis | well, if i could just set him not to do it with words like "what?" and such, it'd be helpful... |
| 21:16.01 | Maquis | hans: do you know approximately where the setting would be? |
| 21:16.17 | hans | ~google linuxbrit |
| 21:16.28 | hans | link number one. |
| 21:16.41 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.42 | ibot | ACTION hugs joshc |
| 21:16.44 | Maquis | mmk... |
| 21:16.51 | Maquis | i'll see what i can figure out... |
| 21:16.53 | tensai | ~kiss joshc |
| 21:16.55 | ibot | ACTION smooches joshc on the lips |
| 21:16.55 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.04 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.43 | hans | joshc is the one you should be worried about |
| 21:17.55 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.08 | hans | no, but I know where he used to live. |
| 21:18.30 | joshc | lol. um, well, that's less helpful hans. |
| 21:18.41 | joshc | but, do tell - where did he used to live? |
| 21:18.52 | hans | the building over from me at wyview. |
| 21:18.57 | joshc | lol |
| 21:19.46 | tensai | well, the gmail headers don't give him away |
| 21:20.14 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.46 | hans | speaking of reconnaisance, anyone here know Daniel |
| 21:20.48 | hans | Leaberry |
| 21:21.08 | tensai | hans: was he the one in the lion's den? |
| 21:21.21 | hans | sorry, hit enter too soon |
| 21:21.31 | hans | Daniel Leaberry. IT student at BYU |
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| 21:23.27 | goozbach | sjansen got kicked? |
| 21:23.32 | Jayce^ | yeah :) |
| 21:23.36 | emcnabb | awesome |
| 21:23.39 | Maquis | yup! :) |
| 21:23.46 | Jayce^ | and Maquis' request |
| 21:23.49 | Jayce^ | at |
| 21:26.17 | Jayce^ | So, got a couple issues of oreilly's new "Make" magazine for tomorrow |
| 21:26.19 | Jayce^ | very cool |
| 21:26.31 | Maquis | Jayce^: really???? |
| 21:26.34 | Maquis | that's way cool!!! |
| 21:26.59 | Maquis | that magazine looks really cool... |
| 21:27.00 | emcnabb | I haven't gotten my subscription yet |
| 21:27.09 | emcnabb | Lisa got it for a valentines present for me |
| 21:27.18 | Maquis | emcnabb: that's cute!! :) |
| 21:27.21 | emcnabb | she said flowers and chocolate would be a waste for me |
| 21:27.24 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 21:27.30 | Jayce^ | emcnabb, it's quite good |
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| 21:28.31 | Jayce^ | about freakin time |
| 21:28.57 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 21:29.18 | emcnabb | haha |
| 21:29.26 | Maquis | :) |
| 21:29.31 | hans | emcnabb: you caught her officially then? |
| 21:30.30 | Jayce^ | unless it's yet another april fools joke :-p |
| 21:30.42 | scott | anyone here experienced with IIS? I inherited a site where when I add a new picture it makes the viewer of the page login to see it, even though other images in that same directory are viewed fine w/o logging in.. |
| 21:30.47 | hans | ~lart emcnabb for not telling us |
| 21:30.59 | hans | It's been almost 3 days! |
| 21:31.16 | hans | congrats. and about friggin time |
| 21:31.31 | Jayce^ | guess that means it's almost time for him to go to debian :-p |
| 21:32.48 | Maquis | (preferrably with a real picture) |
| 21:33.00 | hans | emcnabb: is she from atlanta? |
| 21:33.12 | hans | or is that just where you're teaching in early july? ;-) |
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| 21:35.33 | Jayce^ | Discovery or history channel? |
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| 21:35.58 | Jayce^ | I've seen shows on both |
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| 21:36.15 | Jayce^ | another pitched it as being mid-mediterranian |
| 21:36.34 | Jayce^ | aegian or cypriot |
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| 21:37.16 | Jayce^ | probably an older one |
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| 21:38.28 | Jayce^ | hehe.. much more plausible than *anything* else out there :) |
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| 21:41.23 | Jayce^ | jsmith-away, (and other asterisk users) http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050308_141549.html |
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| 21:41.41 | hans | I thought you were talking about spongebob |
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| 21:43.21 | tensai | Jayce^: finally I can dump asterisk and go with something guaranteed good |
| 21:43.33 | spr | i knew it! and people had been laughing at me all this time |
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| 21:47.30 | bonez39 | if one application responds by minimizing or expanding, at the right upper corner controls and yet another open application does NOT respond...what might be controlling that behavior? this is on gnome 2.2 desktop... |
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| 22:07.32 | emcnabb | Darl McBride on his frustrations about late SEC filings: |
| 22:07.40 | emcnabb | Q: Are you upset that this happened? |
| 22:07.40 | emcnabb | A: It's aggravating, frustrating. You deal with these issues and move on. I used to run hurdles in high school. It trained me well for this company. Once you clear a hurdle, there's another one. |
| 22:08.33 | Jayce^ | yeah, reality, truth, are the first couple |
| 22:09.38 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 22:10.51 | hans | those are his qualifications, then? running hurdles? |
| 22:11.05 | hans | did his law school not train him well? |
| 22:11.42 | bonez39 | he skipped the course on common sense... |
| 22:12.05 | emcnabb | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2005/tc2005037_7241_tc057.htm |
| 22:12.06 | bonez39 | my first exposure to linux was a Caldera Open Linux disk....purchased from CheapBytes... |
| 22:12.17 | emcnabb | this is a great article |
| 22:12.41 | bonez39 | if he had played his cards right.he may be selling me service and support....instead of struggling for his very existence.. |
| 22:12.45 | levi | hans: Oh, are you still interested in how I did my state machine in C? |
| 22:13.05 | hans | sure |
| 22:13.12 | emcnabb | The new version of OpenServer: "It's like a Humvee -- it doesn't crash. A lot of customers are very excited about that." |
| 22:13.15 | hans | i coded mine up, but it's on the laptop |
| 22:13.18 | markl__ | Live Communications Server 2005? weak |
| 22:13.31 | markl__ | bonez39: cheap bytes rocked |
| 22:13.43 | markl__ | i used to get those infomagic disks every quarter |
| 22:13.51 | scott | bonez39, I had one of those also |
| 22:14.00 | bonez39 | markl_, they certainly got me going in the right direction |
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| 22:17.22 | levi | hans: Each state is given an integer index into the state array. The array holds state structs. A state struct has a function pointer for the display function to call when the screen needs to be updated, a bitfield that determines the type of response to take for each key input (four keys, either transition or function calls), an array of four different transitions to make on key presses, and an array of four function pointers to call on key pre |
| 22:17.22 | levi | sses. |
| 22:18.27 | fozz | ~seen tene |
| 22:18.28 | ibot | tene is currently on #utah (1h 51m 46s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 1h 26m 39s |
| 22:18.55 | levi | hans: The default settings for the machine are stored in a header file and are copied into memory via some initialization functions. |
| 22:19.04 | Tene | ~seen fozz |
| 22:19.05 | ibot | fozz is currently on #utah. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 38s |
| 22:20.19 | Jayce^ | ~lart tene |
| 22:20.27 | Jayce^ | ~lart fozz |
| 22:20.30 | Jayce^ | yes! |
| 22:22.31 | Tene | ~poke Jayce^ |
| 22:22.34 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, Tene? |
| 22:22.39 | Tene | aww... |
| 22:22.42 | Tene | ~poke the pokers |
| 22:22.45 | ibot | but then who will poke the pokers, Tene? |
| 22:22.45 | levi | hans: So, with the way I have it set up, each state has at least a display function, and usually some sort of action functions that can be triggered by keypresses in that state. So there's some state that isn't actually held in the machine proper, but it manages to work out pretty well for this application. |
| 22:22.57 | levi | hans: How's that compare to what you wrote? |
| 22:23.58 | hans | levi: similar. I basically have a state variable that points to a proc |
| 22:24.58 | hans | the procs are in charge of doing the transitions, based on a map from string or enum or something to procs, and stick it all in a loop that exits when the state gets set to nil |
| 22:25.29 | hans | I can think of a few ways to package it, but that's the basic idea. not perfect for all state machine applications, but where you have one thread of activity it can work well |
| 22:25.54 | hans | esp in ruby. so in C, it would be like you have it except for the placement of the transitioning |
| 22:26.20 | hans | takes the transitions out of the header file, which may be bad depending on what you want, or it may be good cuz it keeps the logic close to the code |
| 22:27.40 | levi | I make no claims that my implementation is ideal, but it works fairly well for what I'm using it for. |
| 22:28.12 | levi | Although if I did it over again, I'd try to have less global state. |
| 22:28.39 | hans | either way, I like the approach. I have seen a lot of state machine implementations I'm not comfortable with |
| 22:28.48 | Tene | home, even. |
| 22:29.00 | hans | that range from the standard state transition table, to the state patter in the GoF book |
| 22:29.28 | levi | When you've got to add features you hadn't envisioned in your design phase, and add them quickly, sometimes the code suffers. :) |
| 22:30.15 | levi | And this code has suffered a lot, having grown far beyond the scope of the original design. |
| 22:30.23 | hans | yeah, that's always fun |
| 22:30.35 | hans | and there's never enough time/money to mature the code |
| 22:32.15 | levi | I've refactored big chunks of it in the past, when time to implement a new feature allowed it and it was particularly necessary, but that often introduces a lengthy debugging phase. |
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| 22:32.36 | levi | I'm no longer the maintainer, though I will probably use large chunks of it in my current project. |
| 22:33.24 | levi | Although I'm tempted to try to do the higher-level logic in Hedgehog. ;) http://hedgehog.oliotalo.fi/doc/hh.html |
| 22:34.38 | hans | :) |
| 22:34.51 | levi | It's got a state machine implementation in its library, along with an AVL tree impl. and a dict impl. built on top of that. |
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| 23:23.28 | Tene | so... should I take an electronics class at the community college, or just get stuff and learn on my own? |
| 23:24.10 | mheath | Take an electronics class. Employers don't care that you've read books or tinkered around at home. |
| 23:24.26 | Tene | I didn't even think of that. |
| 23:24.49 | Tene | I was more wanting to learn for my own benefit, but I suppose that while I'm learning, I might as well do that. |
| 23:25.12 | mheath | Plus, if your new to electronics, it might be helpful to have a teacher to ask questions. |
| 23:28.35 | levi | Tene: On the other hand, I learned simple electronic circuits with Radio Shack stuff. I've forgotten most of it by now, but I was able to build a few simple gadgets well enough to enjoy myself. |
| 23:29.09 | levi | Radio Shack doesn't sell books in their retail stores anymore, though. |
| 23:29.44 | levi | You can still get the 500 in 1 kits and the like via mail order, though. |
| 23:30.11 | levi | They're a fun way to get to play with circuits while you're learning. |
| 23:31.24 | mheath | I have one of those.. |
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| 23:32.17 | mheath | I haven't been doing much lately with simple analog circuits..Lately, I've been trying to learn digital logic stuff really well. |
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