| 00:00.11 | hans | I still haven't made that milestone. But lukfugl has played with smalltalk/squeak before so maybe true for him. |
| 00:00.20 | levi | Oh. Well, okay. You want evangelization, then? :) |
| 00:00.58 | hans | we don't want him to lose interest before he realizes how cool it is, right? :) |
| 00:03.55 | lukfugl | levi: may need to save the sermon for tomorrow though, I'm heading home in a few minutes :) |
| 00:04.21 | lukfugl | I'll do my homework (hans sent me some links) then get in here tomorrow to hear the good word of seaside |
| 00:04.48 | *** mode/#utah [-o ibot_] by hans |
| 00:04.51 | *** mode/#utah [-o ibot] by hans |
| 00:04.52 | *** mode/#utah [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 00:04.57 | hans | hehe |
| 00:05.29 | Maquis | |lart ibot |
| 00:05.43 | Maquis | http://svnforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=215 |
| 00:09.42 | jsmith | Maquis: Did svnbook.org have anything useful? |
| 00:10.58 | levi | I'm kind of busy at the moment, too. |
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| 00:13.31 | Maquis | jsmith: not that i can find :( |
| 00:15.47 | levi | Ahh, no wonder uboot wasn't letting me upload. I was trying to overwrite it in memory. |
| 00:19.24 | sjansen | Oh wow. |
| 00:19.31 | sjansen | It doesn't rain, it pours. |
| 00:19.41 | Maquis | sjansen: ??? |
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| 00:19.59 | sjansen | Today has been just one example after another of how clueless people can be. |
| 00:20.04 | sjansen | (And I'm not just talking PHP.) |
| 00:20.12 | Maquis | sjansen: stories please :) |
| 00:21.54 | jsmith | sjansen: Please, tell us stories. |
| 00:23.00 | emcnabb | anyone do Linux consulting? |
| 00:23.08 | emcnabb | I'll be on my treo in a sec |
| 00:23.30 | Maquis | emcnabb: why do you need linux consulting? |
| 00:23.34 | jsmith | emcnabb: We all do :-) |
| 00:23.53 | emcnabb | for pay |
| 00:24.01 | jsmith | What's the scoop? |
| 00:24.05 | emcnabb | I just had someone call me from a law firm |
| 00:24.14 | emcnabb | some servers they have went down |
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| 00:24.34 | Maquis | emcnabb: why'd they call you? |
| 00:25.08 | emcnabb-treo | I know someone who works in the company |
| 00:25.31 | Maquis | ah... |
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| 00:26.24 | Maquis | and came back on again |
| 00:26.45 | sjansen | Okay: Story 1 - Clueless Old Guy |
| 00:26.47 | levi | If you want to do anything on your treo besides irc, you have to quit from it. |
| 00:26.58 | Maquis | ah |
| 00:27.15 | emcnabb-treo | I hit the wrong button |
| 00:28.23 | jsmith | Do we get cookies and milk during story time? |
| 00:28.41 | Maquis | emcnabb: i'd love to help, but probably don't know nearly enough :) |
| 00:28.50 | sjansen | There's a suicide lane in front of Guru Labs. Today, some old guy in a giant truck pulled into it as I did. He then proceeded to drive forward like it was a lane. But didn't make it far because I was already there waiting to turn with my blinker on. |
| 00:29.01 | emcnabb-treo | maybe i'll try fozz |
| 00:29.09 | sjansen | So what does he do? Motions for me to get out of his way. |
| 00:29.45 | sjansen | He's trying to merge. I'm trying to turn left into the parking lot. I did the only thing I could, waited more than a minute until he realized I was moving and he'd have to use a normal lane. |
| 00:30.11 | sjansen | s/was/wasn't/ |
| 00:30.16 | emcnabb-treo | is Dan Egli on #utah ever? |
| 00:30.17 | levi | Heh. Idiot. |
| 00:30.41 | Maquis | haha |
| 00:31.02 | sjansen | Not sure I should tell the next story, but since I have no idea who the company involved is I can't accidentally spill the beans. |
| 00:31.11 | Maquis | tell!!! |
| 00:31.37 | Maquis | sjansen: make him give my blanket and stuffed animal back!!! |
| 00:31.52 | sjansen | Guru Labs sells it's material to other training companies. Most of those companies give their students certificates on completion. |
| 00:32.19 | sjansen | We just got a stack of certification forms from some asking us to sign them so that they could send them to their students. |
| 00:32.35 | sjansen | The apparently didn't have their own forms... |
| 00:32.52 | Maquis | i didn't bite *that* hard!!! |
| 00:33.00 | emcnabb-treo | oh well |
| 00:33.02 | Maquis | sjansen: sorry... we are listening... |
| 00:33.04 | emcnabb-treo | later |
| 00:33.14 | Maquis | emcnabb: bye |
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| 00:33.30 | vontrapp | yes, please continue |
| 00:33.34 | sjansen | so they decided to use Microsoft "Certificate of Achievement" form. On the form it says: "This Certificate accredits that ... has sucessfully completed the Microsoft Approved Course:" |
| 00:33.49 | vontrapp | haha |
| 00:33.52 | Maquis | oooh!!! that's bad! |
| 00:33.58 | jsmith | sjansen: Would you please fax me one of those? |
| 00:34.01 | Maquis | wait... why did you guys have to sign them? |
| 00:35.04 | sjansen | Maquis: You're thinking too much. |
| 00:35.18 | sjansen | There was obviously much less thinking than even that involved. |
| 00:35.25 | goozbach | I blame the lack of stuffed animal |
| 00:35.29 | Maquis | sjansen: sorry... can i have my blankie back from vontrapp ??? |
| 00:35.43 | goozbach | or the blanket, her brain musta frozen |
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| 00:36.59 | Maquis | sjansen: that makes more sense if you spell it correctly |
| 00:37.24 | sjk36 | ~lart Maquis |
| 00:37.56 | sjk36 | That lart needs updating. |
| 00:38.03 | Maquis | |lart sjk36 |
| 00:38.15 | Maquis | |lart vontrapp for still having Maquis' blankie |
| 00:38.29 | sjansen | Maquis: Don't make my /ignore you. |
| 00:38.39 | Maquis | sjansen: i'm not doing anything bad |
| 00:38.44 | Maquis | i just want my blankie back |
| 00:39.05 | sjansen | Uh huh! You are brigham's owner, so I'm pretty sure you changed his name to ibot_ |
| 00:39.28 | Maquis | i didn't... i didn't even notice that... |
| 00:39.36 | Maquis | it was probably hans |
| 00:39.41 | Maquis | i don't know how to do that, but hans does |
| 00:40.21 | Maquis | hans: what'd you do to brigham? |
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| 00:40.54 | vontrapp | |lart Maquis |
| 00:41.53 | Maquis | |lart vontrapp |
| 00:42.14 | vontrapp | nooo! he'll eat all my crumpets! |
| 01:09.23 | levi | Woohoo! I successfully loaded linux via u-boot. |
| 01:14.03 | tene | yay! |
| 01:14.21 | tene | I unsuccessfully got a phone call about a job today. |
| 01:14.44 | tene | 'cause I was out helping someone move a garage-full of boxes when he called, and he wasn't there when I called back. |
| 01:17.23 | levi | Ow. |
| 01:22.25 | tene | yeah, I'm hoping to hear back from him tomorrow. |
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| 01:23.46 | goozbach | burn sjansen burn! |
| 01:23.52 | goozbach | ~burn sjansen |
| 01:23.54 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over sjansen, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
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| 01:49.41 | vontrapp | h/quit |
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| 02:13.41 | Maquis | Te extraño, porque vive en mi tu recuerdo |
| 02:13.41 | Maquis | te olvido, a cada minuto lo intento |
| 02:13.42 | Maquis | te amo, es que ya no tengo remedio |
| 02:13.42 | Maquis | te extraño, te olvido, te amo de nuevo... |
| 02:13.49 | Maquis | o/~ o/~ |
| 02:16.55 | sjansen | I walk along the city streets you used to walk along with me |
| 02:16.55 | sjansen | and every step I take reminds me of just how we used to be |
| 02:16.55 | sjansen | Well, how can I forget you, girl? |
| 02:16.55 | sjansen | When there is allways something there to remind me. |
| 02:16.55 | sjansen | always something there to remind me |
| 02:18.32 | sjansen | Or better yet. |
| 02:19.10 | sjansen | Ayer me dijiste que tu me querias |
| 02:19.11 | sjansen | Pero todo fue mentira |
| 02:19.11 | sjansen | Ayer me dijiste que tu me querias |
| 02:19.11 | sjansen | Pero todo fue mentira |
| 02:23.46 | spr | ~lart window managers that change behavior |
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| 02:25.52 | Maquis | ~lart spr |
| 02:26.34 | spr | ~bake Maquis |
| 02:27.14 | Maquis | ~flog spr |
| 02:27.16 | ibot | ACTION hog-ties spr and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 02:27.30 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:28.52 | Maquis | Como decirte adios |
| 02:28.53 | Maquis | Cuando todo es normal |
| 02:28.53 | Maquis | No me has dado ni un solo motivo |
| 02:28.53 | Maquis | Como decirte que |
| 02:28.53 | Maquis | Me ha llegado otro amor |
| 02:28.54 | Maquis | Mas intenso y mas vivo que nuestro amor |
| 02:28.57 | Maquis | Y me siento culpable |
| 02:28.59 | Maquis | No mereces mas dolor. |
| 02:29.02 | Maquis | No se como decirte adios |
| 02:29.04 | Maquis | Como terminar la relacion |
| 02:29.07 | Maquis | Sin da? ar tu ilusion |
| 02:29.09 | Maquis | No lo se. |
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| 03:22.03 | sjansen | Why can't PHP programmers be more like Python programmers? |
| 03:29.15 | RyanE | more rare? |
| 03:29.30 | sjansen | Less amateurish. |
| 03:29.48 | RyanE | you're making a pretty big assumption about Python programmers |
| 03:29.59 | RyanE | and PHP programmers. |
| 03:30.05 | sjansen | I don't particularily enjoy python, but most of the code I run across is alot cleaner. |
| 03:30.18 | sjansen | The community does a better job of teaching good design. |
| 03:30.23 | RyanE | I need to learn Python |
| 03:30.37 | RyanE | so little time. |
| 03:33.12 | sjansen | Python is a nice middle road between functional, procedural, and object oriented programming. |
| 03:33.35 | sjansen | Ruby is too, and it's more fun. But the community isn't as large. |
| 03:34.32 | RyanE | all I've seen tells me I should give it a try. |
| 03:41.48 | RyanE | later. |
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| 03:43.46 | bigdog_ut | anyone know of a good dsl modem pci card that works great with linux? |
| 03:44.01 | tensai | my recommendation: get an external modem |
| 03:44.08 | tensai | why do you need a pci card? |
| 03:44.16 | sjansen | thus spoke the isp employee |
| 03:44.37 | bigdog_ut | lol...cause i hate actiontec |
| 03:45.32 | tensai | find a cisco 678 somewhere. there's also a netopia router that's decent. the current state of dsl modems is pathetic. |
| 03:45.50 | tensai | fwiw I would drop my actiontec in a heartbeat if something better came along |
| 03:46.54 | bigdog_ut | yeah, the thing blows huge chunks |
| 03:47.09 | bigdog_ut | cisco 678...i have heard great things about that |
| 03:47.39 | tensai | yeah, it's a shame cisco doesn't make them any more. pricey buggers though. |
| 03:50.07 | bigdog_ut | yeah i check their website and for a decent on it was like $750 |
| 03:50.11 | bigdog_ut | for a dsl modem |
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| 04:16.38 | sjansen | thankfully, I allow for a little slippage |
| 04:32.36 | spr | ~lart library upgrades |
| 04:33.55 | goozbach | tensai: you can't, it's attached to my laptop |
| 04:34.21 | goozbach | only reason I noticied was that sjansen left |
| 04:35.07 | goozbach | he turned on the lights to pack up his stuff and I thought, "I probally aught to eat, do laundry, go home..." |
| 04:36.11 | findlay | acute tradgedy rather |
| 04:37.18 | findlay | the third movement is based on a drinking song, and it is very critical that the rhythm drives throughout the entire movement or the whole structure falls apart |
| 04:38.26 | LeviHome | Is there a #classical around somewhere? |
| 04:38.27 | findlay | the only recording I've heard that actually does that is one Carlos Klieber with the Wiener Philharmoniker, Herbert von Karajan notwithstanding |
| 04:38.40 | findlay | probably not on freenode |
| 04:38.48 | LeviHome | You might find a more receptive crowd there... :) |
| 04:39.11 | tensai | I listen to classical music but not to that degree |
| 04:39.14 | findlay | sorry for filling up your irc screen with nonsense |
| 04:40.12 | LeviHome | That's okay. It's vaguely interesting, but mostly means nothing to me. I like listening to classical music on occasion, but I know little about it. |
| 04:40.19 | findlay | but I have no friends, and a geek in one field is likely to have geek proportioned tendencies in other fields (: |
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| 04:41.49 | findlay | hmm, it seems if you join a #channel in irssi that doesn't exist on the server it makes one with that name |
| 04:41.57 | tensai | goozbach: watch out for head crabs on the freeway |
| 04:42.13 | findlay | or is it freenode that does that? |
| 04:43.55 | tensai | generally that's a server feature |
| 04:44.07 | LeviHome | findlay: That's how irc usually works. |
| 05:05.22 | findlay | so if everybody left #utah the channel would just evaporate? |
| 05:05.48 | tensai | if *everybody* did, sure. that's why chanserv is here. |
| 05:06.16 | findlay | oh, neat |
| 05:06.26 | thornmaker | except for the bots and such... they tend to not leave |
| 05:06.36 | spr | ~lart gentoo |
| 05:06.40 | tensai | you can msg chanserv and ask him to watch your new #classical channel |
| 05:06.41 | spr | ~lart revdep-rebuild |
| 05:06.55 | findlay | too bad ibot didn't force it to install gentoo |
| 05:06.59 | findlay | poetic justince |
| 05:07.03 | findlay | poetic justice |
| 05:07.25 | spr | I wonder if my professor will accept "My unsupported media player broke in an upgrade last night" |
| 05:07.35 | findlay | but is it within the general topic of freenode? |
| 05:08.07 | Maquis | spr: as an excuse for what? |
| 05:08.08 | tensai | sounds unlikely but it's not my call |
| 05:08.45 | thornmaker | depends on what subject |
| 05:10.08 | spr | Maquis, not finishing my Accounting assignment, have to watch a video |
| 05:10.14 | Maquis | hmmmm... |
| 05:10.18 | Maquis | that actually might fly... |
| 05:10.41 | spr | I'd be more likely to try, had not on the first day when someone asked about using the cds in mac he said: |
| 05:10.57 | spr | "You're one of those, we're trying to stamp you out." |
| 05:11.13 | LeviHome | findlay: Looks like it would fall under 'Informat Education or Reference' |
| 05:11.21 | tene | spr: use a livecd |
| 05:11.41 | tene | that'll get you a working media player pretty quickly. |
| 05:11.53 | thornmaker | what file format? |
| 05:11.56 | spr | yeah, but I don't have any isos downloaded |
| 05:12.03 | spr | wmv |
| 05:13.37 | spr | hm, looky there, xine doesn't depend on that library.. |
| 05:13.50 | LeviHome | findlay: s/informat/informal |
| 05:14.31 | tensai | spr: is that Norm's class? |
| 05:15.10 | spr | tensai, yeah. |
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| 05:15.24 | spr | xine doesn't do speed change in the audio. so painful! |
| 05:15.26 | tensai | I wrote most of version 1 of that |
| 05:15.32 | findlay | LeviHome: that's what I was thinking |
| 05:15.35 | tensai | dunno what they've done with it since |
| 05:15.53 | spr | tensai, wish I could tell you, can't say the packaged gui works well for me |
| 05:15.59 | spr | ~shoot spr |
| 05:16.02 | ibot | ACTION shoots spr in the foot with a glue gun! |
| 05:16.12 | tensai | an unholy combination of flash, wimp and javascript |
| 05:16.30 | findlay | but freenode has a computer tech emphasis |
| 05:16.42 | tene | spr: tell him that your computer got so overloaded with spyware that it couldn't play the video |
| 05:16.49 | tene | that some spyware had infected WMP or something. |
| 05:16.55 | findlay | usenet channels are very sparse, I think there was only one on google groups |
| 05:17.20 | findlay | ha |
| 05:21.49 | findlay | o well |
| 05:22.00 | findlay | it would be fun to have such a community |
| 05:26.53 | LeviHome | A classical music one? |
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| 05:34.00 | findlay | yeah, online |
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| 05:59.11 | goozbach | stupid things burrowing under the asphalt and whatnot |
| 06:00.00 | stuporgl1e | what IS an antlion? |
| 06:00.21 | stuporgl1e | They'd always kill me in SimAnt back a long long time ago |
| 06:07.03 | Maquis | stuporgl1e: you shoud be stuporg1ue |
| 06:07.10 | Maquis | if you have to stick a 1 in there... |
| 06:11.01 | findlay | Hi Maquis |
| 06:11.17 | Maquis | findlay: hi |
| 06:11.21 | findlay | ~lart Maquis |
| 06:11.40 | Maquis | hey! |
| 06:11.44 | Maquis | |lart findlay |
| 06:11.59 | Maquis | you say hi, so i say hi back... |
| 06:12.43 | Maquis | depending on what your roommates' tunes are, that could be good or bad |
| 06:13.22 | Maquis | goozbach: ummm... maybe you should go to bed.... |
| 06:13.39 | goozbach | gotta go check the fences |
| 06:14.49 | findlay | well to my hyper artistic sensitive ears, it usually sounds like random, meaningless stuff (: |
| 06:15.22 | Maquis | ah... is it rap/hip hop/similar non-music items? |
| 06:15.40 | Maquis | (offense intended to anybody here who listens to rap/hip hop) |
| 06:15.51 | findlay | not without some smattering of mild sarcasm, to presume something like that |
| 06:16.06 | Maquis | findlay: ??? |
| 06:16.16 | findlay | Maquis: what ??? |
| 06:16.29 | Maquis | i didn't understand that last comment you made |
| 06:16.41 | findlay | it applies to the ome I made before it |
| 06:16.52 | Maquis | ah... |
| 06:17.04 | Maquis | well, if it is rap/hip hop, i'd agree with you... |
| 06:23.50 | findlay | I wonder if goozbach is OK |
| 06:24.15 | Maquis | findlay: he's not feeling well.... |
| 06:58.05 | xbmodder | hey! whos not feeling well. make sure you say xbmodder said hope ya feel better!@ |
| 06:58.36 | findlay | emerge -pv xbmodder |
| 06:58.40 | findlay | wrong window |
| 07:18.41 | Maquis | project due tomorrow :( |
| 07:23.32 | xbmodder | heh |
| 07:23.46 | xbmodder | stay up! |
| 07:23.54 | xbmodder | actually sleep |
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| 15:12.24 | bbeattie | Outpost has seagate $160GB drives for $99 then -$50 for MIR. I got one of these last month and they're *very* nice drives. I sustained 31MB/s write and 90MB/s read to a single drive, 5GB file on xfs. |
| 15:12.52 | bbeattie | ATA type, not SATA |
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| 15:30.45 | xbmodder | realla? |
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| 16:15.13 | lukfugl | so, setting up ssh keys, what do you need to do beside generating keys and then putting the pulic keys in authorized_keys on the destination box? |
| 16:24.58 | tensai | that should do it. make sure the permissions on authorized_keys are at most 644 and on the private key are 600 |
| 16:25.23 | lukfugl | ok, I think I found it, I was forgetting the ssh-agent step |
| 16:25.47 | tensai | should still work without the agent. it'll just ask for your passphrase every time |
| 16:26.29 | lukfugl | hmm, you're right. It's working for me. It wasn't working for my coworker though. Maybe his keys were bad somehow |
| 16:28.21 | lukfugl | assume I have each of an RSA1, RSA and DSA keys. identity.pub (RSA1) goes in target:.ssh/authorized_keys and id_rsa.pub and id_dsa.pub both go in target:.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 16:28.24 | lukfugl | right? |
| 16:28.54 | tensai | why do you need 3 key sets? |
| 16:30.45 | lukfugl | Hmm, good question. That's the way things were setup before for some odd reason, but if it works with just one keyset now, why confuse the matter? I'll just stick with one. Which is preferred, RSA or DSA? |
| 16:31.04 | tensai | in recent ssh versions the authorized_keys2 is deprecated. it'll look in authorized_keys for all of them |
| 16:31.18 | lukfugl | ok |
| 16:31.32 | tensai | I use dsa because I started before rsa was patent-free. but rsa2 is fine. don't use rsa1. |
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| 16:57.59 | levi | Good morning. |
| 17:03.02 | neybar | lukfugl: you can also check the permissions on the home dir. Some distros have ssh setup so that ssh keys fail if there is group read on the home dir. |
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| 17:10.51 | natester | anyone use a nokia ip330 fw before? |
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| 17:18.12 | indessed | anybody know how to view the vendor-tag and release-tag for an already-created module in CVS? |
| 17:18.25 | natester | cvs co CVSROOT |
| 17:18.41 | natester | no wait I don't know |
| 17:18.44 | indessed | i don't want to check out the files, |
| 17:18.56 | indessed | i just want to view the vendor-tag and release-tag. |
| 17:18.57 | natester | maybe .cvs ? |
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| 17:22.36 | indessed | what do you mean by .cvs ? |
| 17:22.48 | indessed | (sorry, i'm a cvs newb) |
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| 17:23.53 | nathangg- | I've been trying to use yum to find stuff to install... but it doesn't seem to find what I am looking for |
| 17:24.05 | nathangg- | lately, I've tried "yum search freeswan" |
| 17:24.16 | indessed | what distro & what repositories are you using? |
| 17:24.22 | nathangg- | but no luck... are my yum config files wrong? |
| 17:24.23 | nathangg- | FC3 |
| 17:25.06 | nathangg- | baseurl=http://mirror.usu.edu/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/ |
| 17:25.33 | nathangg- | (that is from the fedora.repo file) |
| 17:26.11 | fozz | Might have to slap repodata/ on the end of that. |
| 17:26.36 | tensai | are you sure you want freeswan? it's no longer being maintained. linux switched to a kame implementation. could be that it's not part of fc3. |
| 17:26.52 | nathangg- | tensai: I was just trying to install anything |
| 17:27.14 | tensai | ah, well that's a horse of a different color |
| 17:27.23 | tensai | in that case, I have no idea how yum works |
| 17:27.35 | fozz | OpenSWAN. |
| 17:28.26 | indessed | http://mirror.usu.edu/mirrors/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/ |
| 17:28.35 | nathangg- | when I put "repodata/" on the end of my baseurl it chokes |
| 17:28.35 | indessed | open that up in your favorite web browser... |
| 17:28.49 | indessed | can you find any of the packages listed there? |
| 17:29.06 | nathangg- | yep |
| 17:29.27 | indessed | so your problem is just that packages you want don't exist in that repository. |
| 17:29.31 | indessed | pretty common. |
| 17:29.54 | nathangg- | well, I guess yum is working then |
| 17:30.03 | indessed | what you need is to add a few more repositories |
| 17:30.17 | fozz | I like freshrpms- install their freshrpms-release package |
| 17:30.18 | indessed | i also use fc3 ... let me give you a list of the ones I use |
| 17:30.26 | fozz | and dag: http://dag.wieers.com/ |
| 17:30.30 | fozz | livna is nice too. |
| 17:30.54 | fozz | Get the Fedora extras repo installed. |
| 17:31.28 | indessed | let's see ... i use atrpms.net, fedora.us, and dag.wieers.com |
| 17:31.36 | fozz | http://fedoranews.org/blog/index.php?p=361 |
| 17:31.38 | indessed | i think they all have yum access too. |
| 17:31.44 | nathangg- | fozz: I don't know how do set that stuff up, is there an instruction page? |
| 17:32.02 | fozz | nathangg-: To use freshrpms, just install the freshrpms-release package from their website. |
| 17:32.15 | indessed | http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/FAQ.php#B |
| 17:32.22 | fozz | http://heidelberg.freshrpms.net/rpm.html?id=583 |
| 17:32.36 | indessed | scroll down to the "What is Yum and how do I use it?" on the dag page |
| 17:32.40 | indessed | it'll tell you what to add where |
| 17:32.47 | indessed | the other sites are similar |
| 17:32.51 | fozz | Then import the RPM keys: rpm --import /usr/share/doc/freshrpms-release-1/RPM* |
| 17:33.04 | fozz | THen you'll be able to use yum to get stuff from freshrpms. |
| 17:33.28 | fozz | FreshRPMS has stuff like xine, xmms-mp3, mpg321, mplayer, frozen-bubble and all kinds of cool stuff that shoudl be bundled with Fedora but aren't. |
| 17:33.52 | nathangg- | k... I'll read http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/FAQ.php#B and add those repositories to my yum.repo files |
| 17:34.19 | nathangg- | thanks everyone! |
| 17:34.20 | indessed | word of caution: some people have noted problems when using lots of different repositories, but I haven't had any problems myself. just so you know. |
| 17:34.22 | indessed | np. |
| 17:34.27 | nathangg- | k |
| 17:34.27 | nathangg- | thx |
| 17:34.35 | fozz | np |
| 17:34.57 | indessed | so, any CVS gurus here? :-) |
| 17:35.04 | fozz | indessed: I usually have dag set up enabled=0 so it's not always grabbing stuff from there. |
| 17:35.16 | fozz | That's mostly because he's got SO MUCH stuff. |
| 17:42.05 | nathangg- | question: I just made this http://www.fedorafaq.org/samples/yum.conf my yum.conf file... I just want to understand something though: when I do "yum search" does it search ALL those repos? is it possible for me to accidentally install something that isn't stable? |
| 17:42.23 | fozz | Yes, and yes. |
| 17:42.32 | indessed | yes. if you don't want the unstable stuff, take it out of your yum.conf file. |
| 17:42.47 | nathangg- | okay... but what about that enabled=0 flag? |
| 17:42.55 | fozz | Or add 'enabled=0' to your .repo file |
| 17:43.06 | fozz | Then you can --enablerepo=whatever when you search. |
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| 17:44.45 | nathangg- | k, I think I have a handle on it now, thanks! |
| 17:45.38 | nathangg- | did you say freshrpms was stable? |
| 17:45.49 | nathangg- | and dag also? |
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| 17:49.49 | hans | I feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel you |
| 17:49.57 | hans | Ah, headphones |
| 17:50.06 | Jayce^ | dm? |
| 17:50.14 | Jayce^ | camoflauge? |
| 17:50.54 | hans | dm |
| 17:51.20 | hans | so Jayce^ the erasure tickets go on sale saturday and 107.5 is giving some away every morn between 10 and 11 until then |
| 17:52.27 | Jayce^ | oh cool, amazing they are doing it.. they seem to have ignored the last several of their albums :) |
| 17:52.50 | Jayce^ | you going? or only if you win? |
| 17:55.05 | brailsmt_ | how can I determine the last tiem a user logged into my system? |
| 17:55.26 | tensai | last <user> |
| 17:56.20 | brailsmt_ | tensai: thx |
| 17:56.43 | tensai | o/~ An elephunt or woozal is very confusal. An elephunt or woozal's very sly, sly, sly. |
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| 18:00.46 | jnielsendotnet | I thought they were heffalumphs |
| 18:01.43 | levi | hans: You actually listen to SoFaD? I didn't think anyone else did that. ;) |
| 18:07.47 | goozbach | blarg! |
| 18:07.57 | goozbach | I caught the woozle! |
| 18:08.02 | goozbach | I smell tire |
| 18:14.51 | hans | Jayce^: still up in the air but a big probably at this point |
| 18:15.17 | hans | winning woul dbe nice though. :) |
| 18:17.50 | tensai | jnielsendotnet: you're right. thankfully it's been a while since I had to watch that. |
| 18:22.42 | hans | levi: I can't stomach the whole album, but there's some good stuff on it |
| 18:23.23 | hans | it reminds me of a lifeguard job I had. my friend loved to play i feel you full blast after/before people were there. pretty cool reverberating through the pool |
| 18:23.32 | hans | back then I thought it was hard rock, though. :) |
| 18:23.55 | hans | (the album, not all depeche mode) |
| 18:24.57 | hans | but one caress has got to be one of their best masterpieces |
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| 18:26.37 | hans | |roulette |
| 18:26.55 | hans | Maquis: did you lose him? |
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| 18:32.14 | bonez41 | quick email question > I registered a domain, fyrenice.com and have it pointed to my static IP address for my linux box..... a few weeks ago I discovered 'mail' and 'mailx' and have grown accustomed to emailing from the command line with 'mail' , ..sometimes I am logged as user, sometimes as root....I have never officially set up "scott@fyrenice.com" or 'root@fyrenice.com' but those are both email addresses now..... does this apply to any users I ad |
| 18:32.14 | bonez41 | d to my system here? |
| 18:32.48 | hans | yup |
| 18:32.51 | bonez41 | and would one check one's email on my system, at /var/mail/username as appropriate? is this how this works? |
| 18:32.54 | hans | (short answer) |
| 18:32.56 | levi | Hmm, the only DM I have here is Exciter. |
| 18:32.57 | bonez41 | cool.. |
| 18:33.08 | hans | at least unless it doesn't work. |
| 18:33.24 | tensai | without installing a pop or imap server, reading /var/mail/username is the only way |
| 18:33.33 | tensai | but it should work reliably |
| 18:33.59 | bonez41 | ok, if this is the case...nothing would prevent me from hosting a web site or other hosted items....right |
| 18:34.01 | bonez41 | ? |
| 18:34.08 | bonez41 | tensai: thanks... |
| 18:35.35 | bonez41 | what I am wonderng..is if I had sufficient RAM installed..and if I were to set up the appropriate directories....for my wife's web site: www.2ndlanguagesuccess.com I could host it here, and when ready to move it here live, I could tell the current host, hasta la vista...if I wanted to? |
| 18:36.35 | bonez41 | I see no need other, than the other guy offering supposed 24/7/365 coverage and redundancy........to keep paying him, as our site host....I'd rather spend it on a nice UPS...for myself..and a better system to run it on... |
| 18:40.05 | tensai | yes. If you do that you'll want to set up the new site well before you switch and allow time for the dns to filter through |
| 18:40.40 | tensai | I switched my site to an inhouse server and it went well. I still have my dns externally hosted and I would recommend the same. |
| 18:44.07 | bonez41 | tensai: ok...curious....I registered one domain with Namecheap..and the others are at that big domain registra..I forget now...do they generlaly host the dns too? I am not sure where my dns is hosted |
| 18:45.05 | tensai | fyrenice.com. 172800 IN NS dns1.name-services.com. |
| 18:45.13 | tensai | 2ndlanguagesuccess.com. 172800 IN NS a.ns.kjpstudios.com. |
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| 18:45.30 | sjansen | Is there a python programmer in the house? |
| 18:45.31 | tensai | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:46.46 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
| 18:47.01 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
| 18:47.17 | fozz | Maquis: Come on, you can do it! |
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| 18:47.45 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
| 18:47.48 | Maquis | there we go... |
| 18:48.01 | fozz | a blender on high. |
| 18:48.04 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 18:48.51 | tensai | sjansen: he made a nice milkshake for you |
| 18:49.05 | tensai | strawberry |
| 18:49.08 | Maquis | mmmmm RAM milkshake |
| 18:49.17 | fozz | That is quite the blend. |
| 18:49.20 | fozz | er. |
| 18:49.25 | fozz | The almighty blender |
| 18:49.33 | fozz | The most holy of blenders. |
| 18:49.37 | fozz | The blender on high. |
| 18:50.23 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 18:50.47 | goozbach | somebody say straberry milkshake!!??!!! |
| 18:51.22 | tensai | goozbach: turns out it was just a straw milkshake |
| 18:51.48 | goozbach | doh |
| 18:52.43 | fozz | sjansen: Did you determine what your housing situation is going to be? |
| 18:52.48 | sjansen | not yet |
| 18:52.59 | tensai | after all that help I gave you? |
| 18:53.22 | sjansen | So nobody's willing to admit to using python? |
| 18:53.41 | Maquis | |lart my computer for being stupid |
| 18:53.50 | fozz | Log into the FSLC's IRC server. They're a bunch Debian/Python nuts. |
| 18:54.32 | fozz | Just don't admit to running Fedora or Gentoo on your laptop. |
| 18:54.50 | sjansen | I'm running Ubuntu. |
| 18:55.04 | fozz | Oh. Really? |
| 18:55.06 | fozz | How is it? |
| 18:55.10 | goozbach | he should be alright |
| 18:55.28 | fozz | Does it come with desktop wallpaper that matches the media packaging? |
| 18:55.34 | fozz | ;-) |
| 18:55.40 | Maquis | ok... if i run ps aux, and one of the columns has D+ in it, what does that mean? (the other two entries here are S+ and R+) |
| 18:55.45 | sjansen | fozz: Not anymore. |
| 18:55.53 | Maquis | one of which i assume is running since it's the grep... |
| 18:55.55 | goozbach | fozz: you just like looking down the shirt of that female |
| 18:56.02 | fozz | You got tired of looking down that blonde's shirt? |
| 18:56.12 | Maquis | the one that's D+ refuses to be kill -9'd |
| 18:56.20 | fozz | goozbach: Yeah. And I'm not the only one and you know it! |
| 18:56.31 | Maquis | ummm... wow... i wasn't reading....... |
| 18:56.55 | hans | lol. I was confused for a sec |
| 18:57.56 | fozz | If helps if you've seen the ubuntu marketing. |
| 18:58.15 | hans | Maquis: your statement was poorly timed |
| 18:58.16 | fozz | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/login.jpeg |
| 18:58.27 | fozz | heh heh. |
| 18:58.29 | Maquis | hans: yeah... i noticed... |
| 18:58.45 | Maquis | ummm... so, how can i kill this process? |
| 18:59.08 | hans | if it won't kill -9, it is waiting uninterruptably for a resource |
| 18:59.34 | Maquis | how do i make it stop waiting uniterruptably for a resource? or find out what resource it's waiting uninterruptably for? |
| 18:59.44 | fozz | Maquis: There's a kill buton on your computer. |
| 18:59.45 | hans | 1: you don't. 2: guess |
| 18:59.50 | Maquis | oh... /me guesses that the D+ was deadlock... and the S+ was swapped |
| 19:00.13 | Maquis | what resource could vim be waiting on? |
| 19:00.37 | Maquis | doh! |
| 19:00.38 | hans | you could try lsof | grep vim |
| 19:01.28 | Maquis | apparently all of vim/gvim are deadlocking when trying to save |
| 19:01.32 | Maquis | and i don't know why |
| 19:01.35 | hans | NFS I bet. |
| 19:01.39 | hans | at school? |
| 19:01.44 | Maquis | on my laptop |
| 19:01.54 | hans | not a network filesystem? |
| 19:01.57 | Maquis | i don't have NFS... and i'm saving on the local machine... |
| 19:02.05 | hans | did your disk fall out from beneath you? |
| 19:02.10 | Maquis | no... |
| 19:02.18 | hans | any kernel oopses recently in syslog? |
| 19:02.42 | bonez41 | Maquis: hasta...not sure how I added you to my mailing list in the first place...sorry about that |
| 19:02.54 | Maquis | bonez41: not a problem :) |
| 19:03.02 | Maquis | i'm guessing i probably offered to test it for you :) |
| 19:03.05 | Maquis | Warning: Processor Platform Limit event detected, but not handled. |
| 19:03.05 | Maquis | Consider compiling CPUfreq support into your kernel. |
| 19:03.09 | bonez41 | Maquis: I am glad it is working... |
| 19:03.20 | Maquis | ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:07:00.0[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low) -> IRQ 11 |
| 19:03.20 | Maquis | PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:07:00.0 to 64 |
| 19:03.24 | Maquis | bonez41: :) me too! :) |
| 19:03.44 | hans | dunno about the processor thing, but the acpi stuff doesn't look odd. I get lots of those |
| 19:03.48 | hans | mostly on suspend/resume |
| 19:06.11 | Maquis | ok... lsof | grep vim gives me a really long list of info... |
| 19:06.57 | tene | yay! |
| 19:07.04 | Maquis | tene: ??? |
| 19:07.14 | tene | aren't big lists good? |
| 19:07.29 | tensai | tene: oh, I thought you won the Publisher's Clearing House |
| 19:07.35 | tene | heh |
| 19:07.45 | scott_ | what's a good free program for changing program icons in windows? |
| 19:07.45 | Maquis | ok... |
| 19:07.46 | tene | it's time for my lunch break. |
| 19:08.00 | Maquis | i found two lines that have to do with the deadlock... |
| 19:08.30 | tensai | scott_: you want to make new ones or just switch them? |
| 19:08.45 | Maquis | anybody know what i can do with this info? |
| 19:09.06 | Maquis | i've got 2 programs deadlocked!!! |
| 19:09.38 | tensai | why are they deadlocked? that's the real question. what are these mysterious two lines? |
| 19:09.49 | Maquis | vim 8707 erins 3w REG 3,3 112 3434492 /home/erins/cs345/svn-commit.tmp |
| 19:09.53 | Maquis | vim 8707 erins 4u REG 3,3 4096 3434491 /home/erins/cs345/.svn-commit.tmp.swp |
| 19:10.59 | scott_ | tensai, just switch them |
| 19:11.05 | Maquis | 2 more: |
| 19:11.11 | Maquis | gvim 7812 erins 4w REG 3,3 11716 3434493 /home/erins/cs345/OS345p4.c |
| 19:11.14 | Maquis | gvim 7812 erins 5u REG 3,3 32768 3434221 /home/erins/cs345/.OS345p4.c.swp |
| 19:11.52 | tensai | scott_: this doesn't help much, but it's all I've got. I know a friend of mine got a program that does that but I don't remember where or what name. |
| 19:12.01 | tensai | but rest assured it exists somewhere |
| 19:12.18 | tensai | I know he downloaded it for free |
| 19:13.09 | hans | scott_: a dry-erase marker |
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| 19:13.59 | hans | Maquis: I don't know what that has to do with a deadlock. do you? |
| 19:14.23 | Maquis | hans: nope |
| 19:14.31 | Maquis | but that's from lsof... |
| 19:14.46 | hans | those lines look perfectly normal to me, if those are the files being edited. |
| 19:14.52 | Maquis | yes... they are |
| 19:15.30 | sjansen | well, that was harder than it should have been |
| 19:15.42 | Maquis | i just need to know what resources they're trying to get and then figure out how to get them to them? |
| 19:15.51 | Maquis | sjansen: what was harder than it should've been? |
| 19:16.05 | Maquis | hans: why are you changing brigham's name???? |
| 19:16.27 | Maquis | |lart hans |
| 19:16.32 | sjansen | Maquis: hacking on planet, the problem with knowing many languages is that you mix the syntax of the ones you use less often |
| 19:16.41 | Maquis | oh... |
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| 19:26.07 | tene | doesn't it usually make more sense for the contractor to quit, not the client? |
| 19:33.40 | bbeattie | Anyone know if it's possible to get two logins with X and a dual head graphics card and using a single keyboard and console? I've done several dual heads but never one with two X logins, and from some research it's up in the air without major patching. I'm just curious if anyone has seen it (aka, how likely is this with little work) |
| 19:34.14 | sjansen | bbeattie: Ubuntu supports that out of the box. |
| 19:34.25 | sjansen | Shouldn't be hard on other systems. |
| 19:34.38 | sjansen | Although, the way Ubuntu does it is probably a little different from what you want. |
| 19:34.41 | goozbach | it's just a GDM setting |
| 19:34.51 | goozbach | or KDM |
| 19:35.01 | goozbach | or whatever your display manager is |
| 19:37.10 | goozbach | I do a similar thing with just virtual terminals |
| 19:37.21 | goozbach | two logins, on on tty7 one on tty8 |
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| 20:21.28 | bbeattie | goozbach: Right, that's been a way to do it for some time. I need to have two displays viewable at once, on two monitors.. The way you described isn't this way unless there's a communication error. :) |
| 20:23.03 | tensai | how long does a socket stay in CLOSE_WAIT? |
| 20:23.14 | tensai | isn't it 2 minutes? |
| 20:29.21 | tene | Yay, it's approximately break time again. |
| 20:31.04 | tene | bleh, I can't take much more of this. I really hope I get that job Jayce recommended me for. |
| 20:34.34 | fozz | What is it tene is doing? |
| 20:34.52 | tene | data entry at the state tax comission. |
| 20:35.08 | fozz | I had a friend that did that for about 5 years. |
| 20:35.15 | fozz | Pretty dead-end, he said. |
| 20:35.22 | fozz | So, I hope you get that job too. |
| 20:35.25 | fozz | What are you good at? |
| 20:37.31 | tene | that really shouldn't be a difficult question to answer. |
| 20:38.07 | Maquis | tene: i'm sorry... data entry stinks! |
| 20:38.31 | tene | in terms of experience, I've got a little bit of experience at a lot of things. |
| 20:39.11 | tene | I haven't really pursued any one are enough to consider myself exceptionally skilled or experienced at it, though. |
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| 20:41.13 | tene | So I guess I could say that I'm good at learning new things quickly. |
| 20:41.44 | fozz | Data entry isn't too bad if you've got a good CD or MP3 player. :) |
| 20:42.08 | fozz | And if you haveb't recently been dumped by a significant other in a particularly harsh way. |
| 20:42.44 | tene | yeah, I stole my sister's cd-binder, so I've got a big variety. |
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| 20:54.44 | hans | er, toyday |
| 20:54.52 | fozz | hee hee. |
| 20:55.05 | hans | my headphones and the sysadmin cell phone came today |
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| 21:01.13 | sjansen | bbeattie: ah, misunderstood, talk to torriem, I think he knows how to do something like that |
| 21:01.40 | sjansen | and actually, I think tensai also was using some software that made it easy to share a single keyboard and mouse with multiple systems |
| 21:02.35 | hans | synergy |
| 21:03.31 | bbeattie | sjansen: I have one box doing as I want, just not two login sessions. You would think doing that would be harder but nope. :) |
| 21:04.00 | bbeattie | sjansen: I just need to play with it a bit more and I'll get it, I just lack the time to spent more than an hour at it right now. |
| 21:06.23 | hans | ha, "You can tell this is an in-depth story, because it's got an article next to the chart" |
| 21:07.11 | bucky | !seen sjansen |
| 21:07.25 | bucky | ~seen sjansen |
| 21:07.28 | ibot | sjansen is currently on #utah (2h 22m 5s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 5m 48s |
| 21:09.59 | bucky | sjansen, was it Digital Gateway that misprinted those certificates for you to sign? |
| 21:10.17 | sjansen | bucky: I don't know, and I don't want to know. |
| 21:10.45 | bucky | the guy died yesterday http://sltrib.com/utah/ci_2589685 |
| 21:12.17 | sjansen | bucky: Doesn't look like they do training, so I doubt it. |
| 21:12.55 | bucky | sjansen, these people don't do training ? http://www.digitalgateway.com/training.asp |
| 21:13.59 | sjansen | Okay, they do training on their product, but not Linux training. |
| 21:16.08 | hans | |roulette |
| 21:16.09 | fozz | training is training, sjansen. |
| 21:16.09 | jansens | hans: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 21:25.08 | scott_ | hip new screenshot, http://jaderholm.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Windows&id=2005_03_01 |
| 21:25.28 | hans | your hip takes screenshots? |
| 21:26.12 | sjansen | media player is available for Mac? |
| 21:27.01 | sjansen | What the heck is that? It's like a mix of KDE, Mac OS X, and WinXP. |
| 21:27.43 | Maquis | ~hug amaszon.com |
| 21:27.44 | ibot | ACTION hugs amaszon.com |
| 21:27.48 | sjansen | The icons have a very KDE feel to them. |
| 21:27.53 | Maquis | oops |
| 21:28.01 | Maquis | s/amaszon/amazon |
| 21:29.47 | hans | well it is in the windows album, but that's quite an accomplishment to make windows look like that. |
| 21:30.19 | scott_ | it's windows, and all real |
| 21:34.41 | scott_ | cool, can finally try out Openoffice 2 |
| 21:35.21 | tensai | |roulette |
| 21:35.22 | jansens | tensai: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 21:36.03 | hans | users say the funniest things. |
| 21:36.07 | hans | "I've been fighting with my mouse all day, and now it is just dead." |
| 21:36.18 | tensai | scott_: when did you start wearing a turban? |
| 21:36.24 | hans | What is she complaining for, if she won? |
| 21:37.03 | tensai | hans: maybe it was trying to commit suicide and she was trying to dissuade it |
| 21:37.14 | hans | could be, I suppose |
| 21:37.47 | scott_ | tensai, just when it gets hot |
| 21:37.50 | bucky | OpenOffice.org Version 2.0 exhibits a growing dependency on Java. In earlier versions, new users could easily do without Java. |
| 21:38.32 | hans | bucky: do I mind? perhaps not if they include a working installer |
| 21:38.42 | hans | although if it's nonfree that would be a pity |
| 21:38.55 | sjansen | scott_: Where'd you get the wonderful pictures? Your own? |
| 21:42.26 | sjansen | this is my favorite: http://www.jaderholm.com/images/splash/crop/african_child_crop.jpg |
| 21:42.44 | sjansen | even if you didn't take it, nice crop job |
| 21:43.16 | scott_ | sjansen, I just added the source in the comments on the front page |
| 21:43.30 | scott_ | but it's only for some of them, the others I don't remember |
| 21:44.34 | sjansen | Uhmmmmmmm.... Can you do that? What's the license on the picture? |
| 21:45.00 | scott_ | can I do it? yes. is it legal? no |
| 21:45.13 | sjansen | uncool |
| 21:48.08 | bucky | scott_, the photographer probably wouldn't mind if you emailed him and asked him/her if you could use it on your site |
| 21:48.32 | scott_ | bucky, it's from the washington post |
| 21:48.35 | bucky | doesn't hurt to ask |
| 21:49.00 | sjansen | That's an optomistic opinion. I suspect it'd be better to just go with one of the great free online repositories. |
| 21:49.06 | sjansen | Or buy some stock photos. |
| 21:49.44 | sjansen | I have a hard time believing a professional photo journalist will say: "sure, go ahead and use my stuff for free." |
| 21:55.26 | bucky | this one probably would http://www.zonaeuropa.com/weblog200502150.jpg |
| 21:57.27 | bucky | http://www.zonaeuropa.com/01467.htm |
| 22:00.31 | hans | faxes received (hylafax) on one server, need to end up on a samba share on another server. easiest thing to do is email the fax, but the sky's the limit. what would you do? |
| 22:00.40 | hans | I'm thinking robustness is the key here |
| 22:01.16 | tensai | mount the samba share and use it as your hylafax spool |
| 22:01.32 | hans | that was my first idea, but smbfs and I don't get along well. |
| 22:01.34 | neybar | scott_: what tools did you use to change your windows like that... on the few occations where I need to boot into windows it would be nice to not have to look at it :) |
| 22:02.04 | tensai | uucp |
| 22:02.35 | hans | heh. my second idea was along those lines - email it to an account on the other server and use procmail. I think that's looking the most attractive now. |
| 22:02.43 | Jayce^ | hans, agreed, if important, store locally, then try some form of automated atomic copy/move/etc.. |
| 22:03.04 | tensai | crontab to rsync |
| 22:03.39 | tensai | email just seems like too heavy a solution |
| 22:03.51 | scott_ | neybar, glass2k for transparency, milk theme (maxthemes.com) and the uxtheme.dll patch so you can change visual styles, rainmeter for the clocks, yz dock for the macos x dock |
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| 22:05.06 | mrpull | the osx doc drives me nuts... is it really better than the windows start bar? |
| 22:05.10 | jansens | ~lart vontrapp |
| 22:05.10 | vontrapp | what font does <code> usually use? |
| 22:05.21 | vontrapp | ~lart jansens |
| 22:05.23 | hans | a fixed-width font? |
| 22:05.31 | scott_ | mrpull, I just started using it today, so I don't know yet |
| 22:05.43 | vontrapp | well, yeah |
| 22:05.53 | Jayce^ | mrpull, I thought that until I tried it |
| 22:05.57 | tensai | whatever the default fixed width font is then |
| 22:05.59 | vontrapp | so i guess what i'm asking, what's a fixed width font that will always be there? |
| 22:06.08 | Jayce^ | think of it as a better quick-launch bar |
| 22:06.11 | mrpull | i used OSX as my primary desktop for several months... |
| 22:06.11 | hans | courier new probably |
| 22:06.18 | vontrapp | or is there some kind of font-variant: fixed-width type thing i can use? |
| 22:06.38 | hans | for css? try monospace |
| 22:06.46 | hans | or is it mono? I can't remember |
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| 22:06.57 | hans | or maybe it's just fixed |
| 22:07.06 | tensai | wow. who'd have thought a font would crash your machine |
| 22:07.12 | vontrapp | hans: sorry, missed your last line |
| 22:07.27 | tensai | <hans> or is it mono? I can't remember |
| 22:08.05 | jansens | ~lart vontrapp |
| 22:09.37 | vontrapp | |lart hans |
| 22:09.41 | vontrapp | he's a bot |
| 22:09.57 | tensai | |lobotomize |
| 22:10.05 | tensai | |lobotomy |
| 22:10.14 | vontrapp | |lobotomize hans |
| 22:11.32 | jansens | I can't do that. |
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| 22:14.34 | sundial | is there any interest in an oSS rfid project? |
| 22:15.16 | hans | probably |
| 22:15.23 | hans | or do you mean here amongst us? |
| 22:15.28 | vontrapp | so would that be font-family: mono; ? |
| 22:15.49 | sundial | here - or in utah? |
| 22:15.54 | hans | vontrapp: you're using the web developer etension for firefox, right? |
| 22:16.02 | vontrapp | yes |
| 22:16.11 | hans | edit css? |
| 22:16.14 | vontrapp | yes |
| 22:16.24 | hans | and font-family: mono; didn't work? |
| 22:16.32 | vontrapp | i've been trying pre { font-family: mono; } and nothing changed |
| 22:16.47 | vontrapp | but pre {color: green; } did change the target text i wanted green... |
| 22:16.58 | hans | so mono must be wrong |
| 22:17.07 | hans | fixed? Monospace? |
| 22:17.37 | vontrapp | nope, no |
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| 22:18.39 | hans | it's monospace |
| 22:18.42 | hans | http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/007/fonts.html |
| 22:30.14 | vontrapp | grr, so somebody did something somewhere in the css that cause the pre to not have a fixed width font |
| 22:30.20 | vontrapp | and i don't want to dig it up |
| 22:30.31 | vontrapp | that like defeats the whole purpose |
| 22:30.40 | vontrapp | ~lart clueless web designers |
| 22:31.16 | vontrapp | and it gets applied later where it overrides any changes i try to make |
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| 22:36.45 | hans | so put it at the end |
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| 22:44.23 | lukfugl | I have just discovered something really strange |
| 22:44.36 | vontrapp | the end of what, is the question, since there's like a gazillion in-line styles |
| 22:45.16 | hans | the end of the world as we know it, of course. |
| 22:45.27 | hans | in a style tag right before the pre in question |
| 22:45.34 | lukfugl | If a samba mount somehow gets borked (for instance, in my case the mounted directory went away when the servers connection died) it makes bash crap out on things like ls and tab completion in the /parent/ directory |
| 22:46.02 | hans | yup |
| 22:46.07 | hans | fun, isn't it? |
| 22:46.17 | hans | ~lart smbfs |
| 22:46.37 | lukfugl | I was sitting here trying to figure out why ls would hang in my home directory |
| 22:46.42 | lukfugl | had me scared for a second |
| 22:46.55 | hans | your home directory is smbfs? |
| 22:47.51 | lukfugl | no, I have a mount point ('music') in my home directory. a la smbmount //media/mp3s ~/music |
| 22:48.18 | lukfugl | when //media lost it's network connect, ls ~/ got borked |
| 22:48.52 | lukfugl | that's the weirdness |
| 22:49.35 | lukfugl | umount ~/music, and all the sudden I can ls my home directory again |
| 22:50.13 | hans | phew, at least you could umount it |
| 22:50.31 | lukfugl | only because I remembered the name, tab completing it wouldn't have worked |
| 22:52.24 | tensai | ~lart me for untarring a file in the wrong directory |
| 22:53.57 | lukfugl | huh, I didn't know you could lart yourself. That's cool |
| 22:54.01 | lukfugl | ~lart lukfugl |
| 22:54.08 | lukfugl | erm, ~lart me |
| 22:54.11 | lukfugl | ~lart me |
| 22:54.22 | goozbach | |lart me |
| 22:54.36 | goozbach | jansens: is borken |
| 22:54.45 | lukfugl | |jansens |
| 22:55.00 | lukfugl | ibot, jansens is borken |
| 22:55.01 | ibot | lukfugl: okay |
| 22:55.02 | tensai | w00t! replication is working! |
| 22:55.06 | lukfugl | ~jansens |
| 22:55.08 | ibot | well, jansens is borken |
| 22:55.38 | goozbach | ~jansens: |
| 22:55.54 | hans | |lart jansens |
| 22:55.54 | goozbach | |jansens: |
| 22:55.58 | hans | ~lart ibot |
| 22:56.05 | hans | so, it depends on your definition of borken |
| 22:56.11 | lukfugl | lol |
| 22:56.16 | goozbach | I guess so |
| 23:17.12 | goozbach | http://www.applegeeks.com/comic_archive/viewcomic.php?issue=173 |
| 23:17.58 | tene | so, does anyone know what I-15 southbound traffic is normally like around 4:00? |
| 23:18.29 | tene | I get off of work in SLC at 3:30 and I've got an interview scheduled at 4:30 in Orem |
| 23:18.30 | Jayce^ | at what part? |
| 23:18.37 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 23:18.41 | tene | nodnod |
| 23:18.51 | Jayce^ | tomorrow? |
| 23:19.06 | tene | yep |
| 23:19.12 | Jayce^ | I'll see ya there :) |
| 23:19.13 | sjansen | that's on the edge of doable |
| 23:19.26 | Jayce^ | murray to draper will suck |
| 23:19.38 | tene | I'll try to leave a bit early if I can. |
| 23:19.45 | sjansen | depends on how deep inside SL you are, and if you make a practice run today to make sure you know how to get to the destination |
| 23:20.16 | Jayce^ | tene better remember to list my name on any forms :) |
| 23:20.22 | tene | hehe |
| 23:20.38 | sjansen | put mine on too, just for good measure |
| 23:21.23 | goozbach | I want in... |
| 23:21.29 | tene | heh |
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| 23:34.02 | tene | yay |
| 23:34.08 | Maquis | :) |
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| 23:37.51 | shadoi | My sister got me a t-shirt that says "I look better online" |
| 23:37.53 | shadoi | haha |
| 23:38.03 | Jayce^ | nice |
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| 23:38.56 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
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| 23:50.11 | sjansen | How did I survive before Vim? |
| 23:51.03 | shadoi | feathers and ink? |
| 23:51.10 | tensai | pico -> nvi -> vim |
| 23:51.34 | tensai | now my conversion is complete |
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| 23:54.04 | tensai | wonder what his mommy would think of him walking around with a nick like that |
| 23:56.39 | Maquis | sjansen: before vim? |
| 23:59.11 | jakea | ya, before vim, there was emacs (I think) |
