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| 02:33.37 | goozbach | brigham: lart stupid cats |
| 02:33.50 | goozbach | ~lart stupid cats |
| 02:34.01 | goozbach | now that's a lart |
| 02:34.15 | goozbach | killall cat |
| 02:34.24 | goozbach | killall -KILL cat |
| 02:35.53 | xbmodder | cats are cool! (yeah i hate them too) |
| 02:37.23 | goozbach | I like cats, just wish I wasn't so allergic |
| 02:37.46 | goozbach | it takes me picking one up again to remember that I don't like playing with them |
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| 03:01.01 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 03:01.38 | goozbach | |lart silence |
| 03:01.44 | goozbach | where is everyone |
| 03:02.08 | SpecialK | Somewhere else? |
| 03:03.02 | goozbach | aparently |
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| 04:04.04 | Mecworks | OK, here is an article on making the GMRS/FRS antenna that is in my gallery. It's problaby the most visited gallery so I made an article describing the process. http://blog.mecworks.com/articles/2005/02/27/gmrs-j-pole/ |
| 04:04.27 | Mecworks | Next up...maybe the home theater or solar cell... |
| 04:04.39 | fozz | :-) |
| 04:11.13 | tensai | ~lart tv |
| 04:19.44 | Newsome | Mecworks, looks pretty cool. I've been meaning to build myself an antenna for my 2-meter, but haven't found the time. |
| 04:27.08 | Mecworks | cool. yeah, they do take time... |
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| 05:22.34 | mrpull-ubuntu | Ubuntu Hoary doesn't have the polish that Warty had (IMNSHO) |
| 05:22.42 | mrpull-ubuntu | anybody else try it yet? |
| 05:49.39 | LeviHome | I briefly upgraded to it from debian unstable, but I had to turn that computer over to someone else shortly afterward. |
| 05:50.59 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 05:51.12 | Maquis | ok, so i know there's somethign wrong with my apache configuration (or with some other configuration) |
| 05:51.28 | tensai | try fixing it |
| 05:51.53 | Maquis | when i try to go to a php page that's on my server, it asks me if i want to save the file to my hard drive (ie, it tries to download it) |
| 05:51.57 | Maquis | tensai: thanks... |
| 05:52.17 | Maquis | what could cause it to do that? |
| 05:52.17 | tensai | ok, I've had that problem before |
| 05:52.23 | Maquis | really? |
| 05:52.24 | Maquis | cool |
| 05:52.27 | Maquis | how'd you fix it? |
| 05:52.35 | tensai | yes. couple times. I never remember what the fix is. |
| 05:52.43 | tensai | but I *have* fixed it. |
| 05:52.52 | tensai | lemme look on my problem server |
| 05:52.59 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:53.54 | tensai | do you have these lines in your httpd.conf? |
| 05:54.00 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.01 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:54.08 | tensai | btw, apache 1 or 2? |
| 05:54.21 | Maquis | i have the first of those, but not the second |
| 05:54.57 | tensai | hmm. ok. that one's not a problem |
| 05:55.13 | Maquis | adding the second and restarting apache doesn't fix it :) |
| 05:57.19 | tensai | I'm not seeing it |
| 05:57.37 | Maquis | according to my googling, those lines should fix it... but they're not |
| 05:57.51 | tensai | how are you restarting apache? |
| 05:58.04 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.21 | tensai | try stop/start |
| 05:58.37 | tensai | in theory it shouldn't make a difference. but in *theory* communism works. |
| 05:58.55 | Maquis | still wants to download |
| 05:59.47 | Maquis | btw... this is apache2... |
| 05:59.54 | Maquis | (i never answered that question) |
| 06:00.37 | tensai | I'm looking through my apache2 config and don't see anything special there either. |
| 06:00.59 | tensai | I thought maybe an AddHandler directive was needed but doesn't look like it |
| 06:01.17 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 06:02.36 | Newsome | make sure you have an apache module for it. for example - /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libphp4.so |
| 06:03.42 | Maquis | /usr/lib/apache2-extramodules/libphp4.so |
| 06:03.44 | Maquis | ??? |
| 06:04.11 | Maquis | is it bad if it's in apache2-extramodules? |
| 06:04.36 | tensai | as long as you specify the full path it should be fine |
| 06:04.47 | Maquis | perhaps i should stick it in /usr/lib/apache2? |
| 06:04.56 | Maquis | tensai: where would i be specifying the full path? |
| 06:05.02 | Newsome | just a thought. not sure it's what you'll need |
| 06:05.09 | tensai | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so |
| 06:06.29 | Maquis | hey... |
| 06:06.34 | Maquis | looks like that was my problem! |
| 06:06.38 | Maquis | thanks a ton! |
| 06:07.31 | tensai | Newsome: good thinking |
| 06:07.57 | Newsome | :) |
| 06:14.35 | Maquis | :) |
| 06:15.39 | Newsome | hmm... How in the heck did my language preference for php.net get set to Portuguese??? |
| 06:15.58 | Newsome | more importantly, how do I get it set back to something sane? |
| 06:16.10 | Maquis | haha |
| 06:17.12 | Newsome | oh, that's weird. |
| 06:18.27 | Newsome | I think I did a Google search, then clicked onto some link in the results. Then, php.net saw that I didn't have a 'Default' language specified, but that the last language it had seen was Portugeese, so it figured that's what I wanted. |
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| 06:26.17 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 06:29.13 | Maquis | [anubis erins] svn checkout file:///src/svn/website/ |
| 06:29.14 | Maquis | svn: Unable to open an ra_local session to URL |
| 06:29.14 | Maquis | svn: Unable to open repository 'file:///src/svn/website' |
| 06:29.14 | Maquis | svn: Unknown FS type 'bdb' |
| 06:29.46 | Maquis | everything else i try to check out works fine |
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| 14:03.30 | Maquis | zao an |
| 14:13.02 | hans | ana ng |
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| 14:56.42 | spudg | I am in need of linux hardware diagnostics help |
| 14:57.06 | spudg | is there a utility to check the surface of a disk for errors? |
| 14:57.17 | spudg | I can't even fsck a drive |
| 14:57.28 | spudg | s/drive/partition/ |
| 15:02.25 | spudg | I have a live cd I'm using, read the man page and came here looking for some who 'knows what they're doing' :-) |
| 15:02.45 | Maquis | good |
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| 15:03.40 | Maquis | if you have the time, you might try back in an hour or so when there are more people looking at their computers... |
| 15:03.52 | spudg | yeah, I'm on the east coast |
| 15:03.53 | Maquis | i would help you, but i really don't know enough... |
| 15:07.07 | emcnabb | have you used the 'badblocks' command? |
| 15:07.22 | spudg | nope, never heard of it |
| 15:07.47 | emcnabb | that may do the trick |
| 15:07.49 | emcnabb | off to work |
| 15:07.50 | emcnabb | ttyl |
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| 15:09.53 | spudg | off to reboot and try it |
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| 16:03.08 | Maquis | has anybody had problems checking a project out of a svn repository? |
| 16:03.37 | Maquis | all of my projects except for 1 check out fine without any problems |
| 16:03.45 | Maquis | but one of them is giving the following error: |
| 16:03.53 | Maquis | svn: Unable to open an ra_local session to URL |
| 16:03.53 | Maquis | svn: Unable to open repository 'file:///src/svn/website' |
| 16:03.54 | Maquis | svn: Unknown FS type 'bdb' |
| 16:22.59 | Maquis | http://svnforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=215 |
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| 16:31.45 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:32.01 | tensai | normal fare for /. |
| 16:34.11 | levi | I never created a user account on /. |
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| 16:51.26 | vontrapp | how much would a hard drive with 3148 cylindars hold? |
| 16:51.57 | vontrapp | 64 heads |
| 16:52.12 | tensai | how many sectors? |
| 16:52.17 | natester | google does math now |
| 16:52.26 | tensai | what's the sector size? |
| 16:52.42 | tensai | c * h * s * sector size = capacity |
| 16:52.45 | tensai | iirc |
| 16:53.09 | vontrapp | gee, i don't know, that's all i could see for the effort i was willing to expend |
| 16:53.12 | vontrapp | oh well |
| 16:56.41 | tensai | vontrapp: my 80GB drive has c/h/s = 16/158816/63. if you assume that 1/5 the cylinder count means 1/5 the size, then it's probably a 16GB drive. |
| 16:57.03 | tensai | oh, wait. 3148/158816 != 1/5. |
| 16:57.40 | tensai | ok. I give up. there's too many errors in there |
| 16:59.02 | vontrapp | wait, that means that first number was propbably a head count, looks like i read it wrong |
| 16:59.15 | vontrapp | so probably c/h/s = ?/3148/64 |
| 17:00.46 | tensai | I got my numbers in the wrong order. c/h/s = 158816/16/63 |
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| 17:16.51 | vontrapp | wow, yours is 80G right? if you go by just cylindrical difference, that makes it a 1.5G |
| 17:18.33 | vontrapp | but i *think* i saw a 63 for the sector, so that would make it 2148*64*63=12G |
| 17:19.12 | vontrapp | which would double my home desktop's capacity |
| 17:19.51 | vontrapp | it's a free HD after all |
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| 17:22.48 | tensai | 63 sectors per track seems pretty standard, at least on all the boxes I've checked. I do have one with 255 heads so 64 heads is certainly possible. |
| 17:23.42 | vontrapp | and then i'll get to rearange all my bussing |
| 17:23.46 | vontrapp | that will be fn |
| 17:24.08 | vontrapp | i'd want the large drive on a seperate bus from the cdrom |
| 17:24.25 | vontrapp | and so i'd have to put one of the other drives on with the cdrom |
| 17:24.32 | vontrapp | probably the windoze drive |
| 17:24.33 | tensai | it's ide so performance will be crap no matter what you do |
| 17:24.50 | vontrapp | right, all the more reason to not let it be crappity crap |
| 17:25.20 | vontrapp | i've done large transfers between drives on the same cable before, it's painful |
| 17:25.42 | vontrapp | so you need a good strategy when you do share cables |
| 17:26.47 | levi | I've done large transfers between ide drives on separate cables, and that sucks too. |
| 17:26.54 | vontrapp | but not as much |
| 17:27.16 | vontrapp | imagine that suckiness times 2 |
| 17:38.08 | levi | I don't even want to. |
| 17:39.35 | tensai | imagine you've got a flaky ide controller and have to disable dma |
| 17:40.11 | tensai | pio mode 2, baby |
| 17:41.43 | goozbach | http://www.bash.org/?48027 |
| 17:46.42 | levi | Wow, Jef Raskin died. |
| 17:51.08 | bbeattie | Anyone use godaddy and know if they have a dns management tool that lets you use their dns servers to point to non-godaddy systems? (Trying to help a friend) |
| 17:52.34 | jsmith | bbeattie: Not that I'm aware of... |
| 17:52.57 | jsmith | bbeattie: Point godaddy at something like zoneedit |
| 17:53.11 | Jayce^ | bbeattie, I thought they added that last year |
| 17:53.20 | Jayce^ | I still use other dns, but I think they have it now |
| 17:55.09 | bbeattie | Jayce^: I couldn't find the tool anywhere, or in the faqs or anything. |
| 17:56.25 | hans | anyone wanna do CSS for food? |
| 17:57.14 | Jayce^ | selena's doing a webpage? |
| 17:57.18 | hans | yeah |
| 17:57.22 | hans | simple one |
| 17:57.32 | hans | nothing too fancy. |
| 17:57.36 | Jayce^ | http://www.comics.com/comics/sheldon/archive/sheldon-20050226.html |
| 17:57.46 | Jayce^ | followed by: |
| 17:57.49 | Jayce^ | http://www.comics.com/comics/sheldon/archive/sheldon-20050227.html |
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| 18:33.18 | vontrapp | ~seen beandog |
| 18:33.21 | ibot | beandog <~sdibb@64.50.56.200> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 23h 14m 13s ago, saying: 'heh'. |
| 18:46.45 | brailsmt | is there a way I can check spamassassin to make sure it is running bayes checks? |
| 18:50.55 | bonez41 | how difficult is it for someont to spoof a name on my list..the from name.....: is that a tough trick to pull or relatively easy? |
| 18:51.03 | bonez41 | on a mailman list? |
| 18:51.32 | tensai | quite easy |
| 18:54.04 | tensai | that said, I've only ever been on one list where it was a problem and I don't expect it would have been a problem had the admins known what they were doing |
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| 19:47.25 | Maquis | |lart ECS |
| 19:47.37 | Maquis | maquis? |
| 19:47.38 | brigham | maquis is a budding Linux wizard facing distinct challenges on the path to becoming a grey beard. |
| 20:06.06 | hans | definitely a collective soul day |
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| 20:11.05 | kpettit | I have a acoustic version of that song, kind of odd |
| 20:12.36 | goozbach | and realizes he's not in here |
| 20:28.01 | hans | kpettit: I heard that on 107.5 interesting version |
| 20:28.29 | lukfugl | kpettit, hans: I've heard it on 107.5 as well. I like it |
| 20:28.54 | kpettit | I like it. I went to one of those acoustic sessions at the 107.5 studio with the proclaimers. it's was pretty fun |
| 20:29.11 | kpettit | It's pretty sweet hearing songs done acoustic. |
| 20:30.30 | hans | that's a good band. |
| 20:30.41 | hans | and ironically, 500 miles is one of their worst songs from that album |
| 20:31.03 | kpettit | yeah it was neat talking to them, there were only 15 of us there |
| 20:31.16 | kpettit | couldn't hardly understand a word they said though, very heavy accent |
| 20:31.32 | hans | which accent? |
| 20:32.33 | kpettit | scotish |
| 20:32.42 | hans | my first guess :) |
| 20:32.51 | kpettit | had to ask my wife, I couldn't remember |
| 20:33.00 | shadoi | I saw'em in Glasgow years ago |
| 20:33.17 | kpettit | where's that? |
| 20:33.28 | shadoi | I can't think of them without imagining my old scottish giant neighbor drunk as a skunk sining that song and dancing. |
| 20:33.30 | hans | scotland, aye? |
| 20:33.40 | kpettit | haha |
| 20:34.10 | shadoi | yeah Glasgow is the 2nd largest city in Scotland |
| 20:34.36 | shadoi | I worked there for a while and saw those guys in a pub. heh |
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| 20:35.39 | hans | jakea: like it? |
| 20:37.03 | kpettit | so what's the differrence between a pub and a bar. |
| 20:37.15 | kpettit | keep in mind I've lived in utah most my life |
| 20:37.25 | WoodsDog | bars are in the us...pubs aren't? |
| 20:37.26 | lukfugl | a pub is in scotland or ireland? |
| 20:37.37 | lukfugl | or anywhere in UK, probably |
| 20:38.06 | kpettit | I just moved to Houston from Utah. I'm axious to go to some places with Live music |
| 20:38.22 | kpettit | utah didn't seem to be a very good place for it |
| 20:39.31 | hans | well you got to see the proclaimers, eh? |
| 20:39.47 | kpettit | that was in the 107.5 studio |
| 20:40.15 | hans | so that doesn't count? |
| 20:40.19 | kpettit | I like to see local music |
| 20:40.35 | jsmith | kpettit: You've never been to a pub? |
| 20:40.36 | kpettit | I used to go to the coffee shops every week to see local acoustic groups and stuff |
| 20:40.49 | kpettit | but there just isn't a very big music scene |
| 20:41.04 | kpettit | been to tons of bar's, but not a pub |
| 20:41.09 | hans | what county? I know borders does that sort of thing more or less weekly, at least here in provo |
| 20:41.12 | bucky | kpettit, the only live culture in utah is in yohgurt |
| 20:41.34 | kpettit | they do it in SLC too at the borders across from fasion place mall every week |
| 20:41.45 | kpettit | haha |
| 20:43.02 | bucky | the only thing i dream about in Scotland is Shirley Manson |
| 20:43.15 | hans | I agree, utah's not really a happenin' scene for culture. |
| 20:43.37 | hans | at least, not modern culture. ancient culture, you can find some of that. |
| 20:43.54 | bucky | we had a good techno band once... Utah Saints |
| 20:44.06 | kpettit | if your into scrapbooking utah's the place to be. hahah |
| 20:46.03 | hans | |addlart teaches <who> to scrapbook. |
| 20:46.03 | brigham | fine |
| 20:48.18 | tensai | |addlart invites hans over to <who>'s house for tea and crumpets |
| 20:48.19 | brigham | aight |
| 20:49.03 | jsmith | Hmmmn... crumpets. |
| 20:49.17 | jsmith | They're better with jam than with butter, that's for sure. |
| 20:49.54 | tensai | |addlart feeds <who> crumpets with butter. That's write, butter. Not jam. Eat it, fool! |
| 20:49.54 | brigham | can do! |
| 20:50.02 | tensai | |rmlart feeds <who> crumpets with butter. That's write, butter. Not jam. Eat it, fool! |
| 20:50.02 | brigham | okay then :) |
| 20:50.11 | tensai | |addlart feeds <who> crumpets with butter. That's right, butter. Not jam. Eat it, fool! |
| 20:50.11 | brigham | sure |
| 20:50.21 | shadoi | kpettit: a bar is a pub is a bar but bars in Utah do not qualify as pubs... if that makes any sense. :) |
| 20:50.46 | shadoi | A bar in utah is where sleezy people hang out to pickup one-night stands and get wasted |
| 20:50.49 | jsmith | tensai: Did you mean "right" instead of "write" |
| 20:50.53 | kpettit | now that I've seen what's in houston it does |
| 20:51.01 | shadoi | a pub is where you hang out and socialize with normal cool people. |
| 20:51.08 | kpettit | who new the grocery store could cary so much alcholol |
| 20:51.26 | tensai | jsmith: yes. you'll see I corrected myself |
| 20:53.04 | jakea | hans: Ya, it was okay |
| 20:53.46 | jakea | hans: Not as good as I'd hoped, but ended a nitpick, and most likely made 50 more |
| 20:54.30 | jakea | hans: Although, the whole Enterprise / Columbia thing with Trip in the middle was really cool |
| 20:54.34 | hans | well we thrive on nitpicks, eh? How did you feel about the malcom resolution? |
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| 20:54.49 | hans | yeah, that was fun |
| 20:54.59 | hans | emcnabb: just in time |
| 20:55.31 | hans | I was hoping it would spread to the whole klingon empire, not just a subset. |
| 20:55.32 | jakea | hans: Not sure, but I'm satisfied with it. Too bad their will be no chance to come back to it again. |
| 20:55.47 | jakea | I think the idea is that it eventually does |
| 20:56.32 | jakea | and somehow during Kirks Era, they completely cure it |
| 20:56.36 | hans | perhaps, but it's not compelling at the moment. as I understood it, it was a non-contagious cure for a mostly-contained disease |
| 20:57.02 | vontrapp | where does pear set the include path in debian? |
| 20:57.20 | jakea | Maybe I need to rewatch some dialog |
| 20:57.32 | vontrapp | e.g. /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini doesn't have the include path that is actually being used |
| 20:59.10 | tensai | vontrapp: /usr/share/php |
| 21:01.22 | hans | like the present floxx sent the general. it's nice to see characters doing something obvious instead of rerouting power converters and making amazing physics discoveries in the heat of battle |
| 21:02.16 | shadoi | vontrapp: phpinfo should show all the goods |
| 21:03.32 | lukfugl | jakea, hans: what's this all about? |
| 21:04.00 | vontrapp | lukfugl: enterprise |
| 21:04.06 | vontrapp | which i haven't seen yet... |
| 21:04.14 | vontrapp | hans: when can i come over? |
| 21:04.24 | levi | hans: Check this out: http://www.sics.se/%7Eadam/pt/ |
| 21:04.30 | levi | Protothreads for C. |
| 21:05.49 | hans | interesting |
| 21:06.39 | levi | Implements local continuations. |
| 21:18.37 | bucky | levi, there was a link to that off www.linuxhomepage.com last week.. interesting |
| 21:21.27 | levi | There's also this: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/mcguire/software/id/#id2592695 on an 'infernal device' for creating a modal web server. Looks more awkward than using continuations, though. |
| 21:22.17 | levi | But it stores page-local state in the browser rather than on the server, so it may be interesting to people who are opposed to session-affinity load balancing. |
| 21:23.46 | bucky | hmm... |
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| 22:54.29 | sjansen | ~lart php |
| 22:54.34 | sjansen | ~lart moronic php developers |
| 22:54.43 | Maquis | morning sjansen |
| 22:54.51 | Maquis | what are you upset about? |
| 22:54.52 | sjansen | ~lart php for producing so many moronic php developers |
| 22:55.31 | sjansen | Those last two were quite appropriate. |
| 22:56.16 | sjansen | Maquis: Many moons ago, Guru Labs contracted for creation of a custom CMS. (In case you haven't noticed, our site is in desperate need of an update.) It was done in PHP. |
| 22:56.37 | Maquis | yeah... goo said it was going to get updated |
| 22:57.04 | sjansen | For those whose miss the full import of the last sentence, let me expand. It is a poorly designed, hackish nightmare. |
| 22:57.22 | Maquis | http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1 |
| 22:57.45 | Maquis | sjansen: what if they were to hire an intern to help with fixing up the site this summer? :) |
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| 22:58.19 | sjansen | When I first started reading and saw limited use of objects, and widespread use of templates I thought: "Oh look, I've stumbled on that rare and beautiful best: well written PHP." |
| 22:58.26 | Jayce^ | sjansen, so you converting them to bricolage :) |
| 22:58.29 | sjansen | Since then, I've started digging in deeper. |
| 22:58.47 | sjansen | Jayce^: No. Too much invested at this point. We're focusing on just getting it out the door. |
| 22:58.57 | Maquis | are you going to actually fix up what they already have, or start over from scratch? |
| 22:59.46 | sjansen | Bumble along with what we have now. It's nothing to be proud of, but once we track down the last of the bugs it'll get us by. |
| 23:00.07 | sjansen | Starting from scratch will take too long and cost too much. |
| 23:04.53 | sjansen | And did I mention the stray log file hidden in our Web content directory slowly eating disk? |
| 23:05.01 | sjansen | It was 1.2 GB when I discovered it. |
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| 23:11.40 | Newsome | ~lart OIT (in)Security |
| 23:12.05 | sjansen | Newsome: So tell. I always enjoy a good OIT story. |
| 23:12.23 | Newsome | So, I get this call from "OIT Security": |
| 23:12.46 | Newsome | "Did I know that some students had put information out in directories in students.cs.byu.edu?" |
| 23:13.10 | emcnabb | that's awesome |
| 23:13.19 | sjansen | That's it? |
| 23:13.20 | Newsome | Uhhh, yeah. That's what web servers are for. |
| 23:13.37 | sjansen | There's nothing that came after the question? |
| 23:13.44 | Newsome | 'Did we have plans to turn off "File Browsing" for student accounts?' |
| 23:13.45 | sjansen | No clarification of why this was a problem? |
| 23:14.18 | Newsome | "There's lots of data out there in those directories." |
| 23:15.16 | Newsome | "Some of it looks like it may be related to their classes. Do students know that their information is available?" |
| 23:15.31 | sjansen | No, wait, let me guess. This is a giant security hole I reported a long time ago, that has had no action taken on it... Perhaps the solution I suggested has horribly mutated because "that'd be too much work for us to fix, let's make all the departments fix it". |
| 23:15.48 | sjansen | Oh, okay. Different issue. |
| 23:16.11 | Newsome | "We found out about this through Google. Shouldn't you require the students to use authentication?" |
| 23:16.23 | Newsome | "Do the students have a way of disabling this feature?" |
| 23:16.26 | sjansen | heh |
| 23:18.22 | Newsome | I guess it became an issue because some auditdork was able to Google for their grades from several semesters ago in the Marriott School. |
| 23:19.29 | Newsome | They then questioned anything that contained the word 'grades' and was associated with BYU, including stuff where students had created bogus data during their CS class. |
| 23:20.10 | Newsome | Do I know that all such files are okay? No. |
| 23:20.13 | Newsome | Do I care? No. |
| 23:20.42 | Newsome | If it is valid data, some TA might lose their job, but I still don't care. |
| 23:21.33 | Newsome | If some student is dumb enough to place student grade information into their public_html directory, they _should_ be fired. |
| 23:21.41 | emcnabb | exactly |
| 23:21.52 | sjansen | Might not hurt to send out a reminder to all TAs: "It has come to our awareness that... While we doubt that any CS student would be so stupid, we want to remind you: Don't be stupid." |
| 23:22.21 | Newsome | I'm not about to start enforcing security on individual student accounts. |
| 23:22.25 | sjansen | Then you can tell OIT "It's been addressed." |
| 23:23.10 | Newsome | I'd do something like that (reall not a bad idea), however...TA's are supposed to report to Gene... |
| 23:23.46 | Newsome | I don't particularly like Gene. |
| 23:24.39 | Newsome | He'd just dump the "problem" back on my desk anyway. |
| 23:27.40 | Bradipo | Do students have access to all grade data? |
| 23:27.43 | Bradipo | Or just their own? |
| 23:28.10 | Newsome | Just their own (or possibly stuff from a class they're a TA for). |
| 23:28.12 | Bradipo | But yeah, that's kind of lame. Hello, public_html (aka web sites) are public by nature), hence the public in public_html |
| 23:28.36 | tensai | and it's not like public_html is symlinked to $HOME by default |
| 23:29.17 | Newsome | A student doing that would be asking for trouble. |
| 23:29.41 | Bradipo | Does it follow soft links though? |
| 23:29.47 | tensai | and would be very likely to find it |
| 23:30.41 | tensai | I remember browsing around and finding students previous projects. I even remember somebody gave me all rights to their Netware home. That confused me. |
| 23:30.47 | Newsome | probably follows symlinks |
| 23:31.01 | tensai | SymlinkIfOwnersMatch I bet |
| 23:31.23 | Newsome | That would make sense. I'll have to check the server, though. |
| 23:32.20 | tensai | Newsome: I'm impressed you're able to keep a webserver like that together. lots of kids who don't *quite* know what they're doing running amok. |
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| 23:34.24 | Newsome | We sometimes run into students who screw around, but I can't imagine turning off the webserver for students in the CS Department. Just seems like something necessary for an education. |
| 23:35.51 | Bradipo | I believe that if there is no index.html it will just browse. |
| 23:35.59 | tensai | certainly helped me get a job as a web developer. and you can tell them so. |
| 23:36.04 | Bradipo | I doubt there are any students there that have symlinked public_html to $HOME |
| 23:36.08 | Bradipo | Unless by accident. |
| 23:36.41 | tensai | yes, I was just trying to illustrate how it's really the student's fault if something ends up in public_html |
| 23:36.48 | Bradipo | Oh yeah. |
| 23:37.10 | Bradipo | Newsome: I think it is absolutely neceesary for an education. |
| 23:37.16 | sjansen | I also was greatly benefited by having an already working Web server when I was a clueless newbie. |
| 23:37.17 | Bradipo | That is what got me so interested in UNIX and the Internet. |
| 23:37.28 | Bradipo | Having my own space to publish stuff was cool. |
| 23:37.49 | Maquis | Newsome: i think most of the problems are from students (particularly TAs) who don't know what they're doing... |
| 23:37.53 | Newsome | Yeah. |
| 23:37.59 | sjansen | Of course, I was self aware enough to know I was clueless. |
| 23:38.00 | Newsome | Maquis: true. |
| 23:38.02 | sjansen | ~lart PHP |
| 23:38.11 | Maquis | i helped a friend of mine chmod her home dir because it was publicly readable, and she was a TA... |
| 23:38.14 | tensai | sjansen: "was clueless"? |
| 23:38.21 | Maquis | so, i fixed that for her because she didn't know how to do it... |
| 23:38.48 | Jayce^ | <tensai> sjansen "was" clueless? |
| 23:38.51 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 23:39.13 | Bradipo | <Jayce^> <tensai> sjansen "was" clueless? |
| 23:39.34 | Jayce^ | it was too good, worth repeating, just to boost the association for google :) |
| 23:39.40 | Bradipo | lol |
| 23:40.42 | hans | levi-laptop: ping |
| 23:40.59 | vontrapp | databases are fun |
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| 23:41.24 | vontrapp | |lart lukfugl |
| 23:41.29 | vontrapp | |lart lukfugl |
| 23:41.32 | lukfugl | |lart vontrapp |
| 23:41.34 | lukfugl | ~lart vontrapp |
| 23:41.42 | hans | levi-laptop: lukfugl is here for his seaside lesson/sermon |
| 23:42.45 | Newsome | Well, I guess I've done my good deed in defending education for the day! |
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| 23:43.33 | hans | lukfugl: here's a good start while we wait for levi: http://seaside.st/ |
| 23:44.56 | hans | actually, start here: http://homepage.mac.com/svc/ADayAtTheBeach/ |
| 23:45.17 | hans | |rmlart help |
| 23:45.17 | brigham | fine |
| 23:45.59 | sjansen | |rmbrigham |
| 23:46.05 | hans | |roulette |
| 23:46.05 | brigham | hans: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:47.26 | lukfugl | |roulette |
| 23:47.27 | brigham | lukfugl: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:47.33 | lukfugl | |lart vontrapp |
| 23:48.25 | lukfugl | comeon, vontrapp, play some roulette... |
| 23:48.27 | sjansen | ~lart all languages brain-dead enought to need addslashes() |
| 23:48.50 | lukfugl | oooh, that's a good fit ;) |
| 23:51.37 | vontrapp | |roulette |
| 23:51.38 | brigham | vontrapp: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:51.54 | tensai | goodbye world! |
| 23:51.55 | tensai | |roulette |
| 23:51.55 | brigham | tensai: chamber 4 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:52.10 | tensai | |addlart help |
| 23:52.11 | brigham | can do! |
| 23:52.14 | sjansen | ~lart stupid developers who use str_replace. |
| 23:52.20 | hans | ~lart tensai |
| 23:52.32 | sjansen | If you're not smart enough to write Perl, don't use perl regex. |
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| 23:56.33 | sjansen | lukfugl: That works to. Just remember that preg_replace requires knowledge of perl. |
| 23:56.42 | sjansen | If you don't know perl, it's going to bite you. |
| 23:56.58 | levi | Ahh, lukfugl wants to learn about Seaside? |
| 23:57.45 | hans | yes. yes he does. |
| 23:58.08 | levi | Very nice. |
| 23:58.27 | levi | The best way to learn is probably to set it up and play with it. |
| 23:59.55 | hans | not the best way to get excited about it though |