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| 00:01.50 | xbmodder_lappy | some wierd joke: We all know that it is a sin for an Islamic male to see any woman other than his wife naked, and that he must commit suicide if he does.So next Sunday at 4:00 PM Eastern time, all American women are asked to walk out of their house completely naked to help weed out any neighborhood terrorists. And since the Koran also does not approve of alcohol, a cold six-pack at your side is further proof of your antit |
| 00:01.50 | xbmodder_lappy | errorist sentiment. |
| 00:02.31 | tene | err... |
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| 00:04.40 | mrpull | josh: did you ever see the live action D&D played out on stage? |
| 00:05.03 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.13 | mrpull | http://www.heavy.com/heavy.php?channel=dungeonMajesty |
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| 00:05.40 | mrpull | http://www.dungeonmajesty.com/indexer.html |
| 00:07.05 | mrpull | whoa... that girl has hairy armpits. that is taking role playing to an extreme. |
| 00:08.15 | mrpull | how in the world did they find _4_ females to do act out D&D? |
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| 00:58.49 | nathangg- | Hello all... i have a question: I have an old P3 600 MHz, 6GB hard drive, and 128 MB of ram... I want to put linux on it... but I'm not sure which distro... is Debian okay? |
| 00:58.58 | nathangg- | (I don't want a GUI) |
| 00:59.28 | sjansen | Debian is a good choice. |
| 00:59.30 | findlay | sure, if you like debian, go for it |
| 00:59.49 | nathangg- | I've never tried debian... someone else told me they liked it |
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| 01:00.16 | Maquis | |lart sjansen for recommending debian |
| 01:00.30 | nathangg- | well, what do you guys recommend? |
| 01:00.56 | sjansen | nathangg-: What do you have experience with? |
| 01:01.25 | nathangg- | I'm comfortable in a console... I am fairly comfortable with linux... I currently work on an HP-UX machine and it drives me crazy |
| 01:01.41 | nathangg- | I've installed Mandrake 9, but I didn't like it too much |
| 01:01.42 | sjansen | You have a BYU IP address. Many people in the UUG use Fedora Core, so it'd be easy to get help from UUGers. |
| 01:02.02 | nathangg- | is Fedora the same as RedHat? |
| 01:02.09 | sjansen | kinda |
| 01:02.27 | nathangg- | hmmm... k... is it going to use up the whole 5 GB on my HD? |
| 01:03.20 | sjansen | It goes like this. Red Hat turned RHL into FC. FC is more community based, moving in the direction of Debian. RHEL is based on FC. |
| 01:03.38 | nathangg- | k |
| 01:03.53 | sjansen | nathangg-: No, but Debian will be smaller out of the box. |
| 01:04.24 | nathangg- | well... i'm open for new things... I'm d/ling FC right now... I'll try it out and see... |
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| 01:04.54 | nathangg- | question... during installation... how should I set up my mounts if I only have 5 GB? |
| 01:05.39 | sjansen | FC3 is going to setup LVM if you let it use it's default, that's what I'd do. |
| 01:06.07 | nathangg- | k... i'll just let it do the default stuff |
| 01:07.02 | sjansen | not necessarily a default install, though |
| 01:07.09 | sjansen | sounds like you want to skip all the X stuff |
| 01:07.16 | nathangg- | yeah, I don't want X |
| 01:07.20 | nathangg- | i'll watch for that |
| 01:07.31 | nathangg- | but on the mounts... it sounds like the defaults should be okay right? |
| 01:07.39 | sjansen | They should. |
| 01:07.57 | sjansen | When you get to package selection, pick small then customize adding anything you want. |
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| 01:15.19 | vontrapp | what do i need to do to authenticate on the byu wireless network these days/ |
| 01:15.21 | vontrapp | ? |
| 01:15.35 | vontrapp | grr, stupid lab keyboards |
| 01:16.06 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here know french? |
| 01:16.07 | xbmodder_lappy | mon amore perifaunt |
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| 01:57.00 | goozbach | ok so Who's the man? |
| 01:59.28 | sjansen | I'm the man! |
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| 01:59.52 | goozbach | ummm I'm gonna dissagree |
| 02:00.07 | goozbach | check out sllug |
| 02:00.19 | sjansen | I said, I _AM_ the man! |
| 02:00.35 | goozbach | my bashfoo is greater than yours |
| 02:00.50 | sjansen | Nothing doing. |
| 02:02.58 | Maquis | goozbach: sllug list, or the website? |
| 02:03.07 | sjansen | goozbach: You back yet? |
| 02:03.10 | goozbach | list |
| 02:03.16 | Maquis | oh... /me isn't on the list |
| 02:03.23 | goozbach | sjansen: I don't fly out till tomorrow |
| 02:03.45 | Maquis | goozbach: you around next week? |
| 02:04.03 | goozbach | as of right now... yes |
| 02:04.10 | Maquis | cool :) |
| 02:04.11 | goozbach | who knows what monday will bring? |
| 02:05.20 | goozbach | OMG OMG OMG!!! |
| 02:05.25 | goozbach | now THAT's a car |
| 02:05.39 | Maquis | what car? |
| 02:05.42 | goozbach | 68 chevelle SS |
| 02:05.51 | goozbach | ohhh sexy!!! |
| 02:05.56 | goozbach | mewants |
| 02:06.16 | Maquis | cool |
| 02:06.24 | Maquis | a meteor landed in seattle... |
| 02:06.40 | tensai | did it take out any billionaires? |
| 02:06.47 | Maquis | nope |
| 02:06.54 | tensai | millionaires? |
| 02:06.56 | goozbach | dang I missed |
| 02:07.04 | Maquis | haha |
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| 02:07.29 | tensai | thousanaires? maybe even a hundredaire? c'mon, somebody had to at least get bonked on the noggin' |
| 02:07.48 | goozbach | you mean I missed everybody? |
| 02:08.17 | Maquis | coolest website: http://www.flashenabled.com/ |
| 02:08.48 | tensai | goozbach: I think the only script that will actually work was the "find | awk" one. I didn't think about it being 600,000 files. |
| 02:09.29 | tensai | clever though your script was |
| 02:10.39 | goozbach | find -name *[24680].jpg -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 02:11.11 | goozbach | opps forgot the dir |
| 02:11.18 | goozbach | find . -name *[24680].jpg -exec rm -f {} \; |
| 02:11.28 | tensai | don't forget to to escape your * and [] |
| 02:11.36 | goozbach | yeah |
| 02:11.47 | goozbach | find . -name '*[24680].jpg' -exec rm -f {} \; |
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| 02:33.10 | tene | Jayce^: ping |
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| 03:02.10 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 03:02.12 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here? |
| 03:03.00 | xbmodder_lappy | why the hell is MySQL so slow? |
| 03:03.21 | goozbach | because it's mysql |
| 03:05.22 | xbmodder_lappy | hmm... |
| 03:05.25 | xbmodder_lappy | now its fast :) |
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| 03:31.58 | sjansen | (*^$(*%(*&^O)^&O(*YO(P*O)&%()&^T Debian! |
| 03:32.21 | bucky | lol |
| 03:32.47 | tensai | sjansen: I'm confused. I see both smiley faces and frowny faces in that string |
| 03:32.55 | bucky | sjansen, would you do me a favor and see if my ftp is up? |
| 03:33.02 | bucky | ftp://67.137.128.172 |
| 03:33.52 | tensai | bucky: nope, filtered |
| 03:34.07 | bucky | tnx |
| 03:35.25 | tensai | so I've got this newly installed redhat 6.2 box sitting here. I'm so tempted to stick it out on a public IP and see how long until it gets r00ted |
| 03:44.24 | xbmodder_lappy | DIE! |
| 03:44.30 | xbmodder_lappy | ROOT YOU! |
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| 03:44.46 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, i had one and it took about 6 months |
| 03:48.09 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.29 | nathangg- | sjansen: are you here still? |
| 03:48.42 | sjansen | yeah |
| 03:49.07 | nathangg- | so, I'm installing FC now... I've never seen this LVM thing... what is it? |
| 03:49.29 | sjansen | logical volume manager, actuall very similar to LVM on HP-UX |
| 03:50.16 | sjansen | It allows you to put multiple filesystems inside a single partitions, span filesystems across multiple parititions, and resize filesystems. |
| 03:50.41 | sjansen | By default, FC3 only uses LVM for /home. |
| 03:50.57 | sjansen | Once you get used to it, you might want to re-install and use LVM for all of /. |
| 03:52.00 | nathangg- | well, it seems that the default for my installation is... LVMs: / (type ext3, size 5312) and 256 MB of swap... and it says there are two Hard Drives... /boot and VolGroup00 |
| 03:52.08 | sjansen | You know, maybe I should to my UUG presentation on LVM... |
| 03:52.26 | nathangg- | The last time I installed linux (Mandrake) I don't remember this LVM thing |
| 03:52.35 | sjansen | oh, did it setup / with LVM? |
| 03:52.46 | nathangg- | yeppers |
| 03:52.52 | nathangg- | which is fine with me |
| 03:52.55 | sjansen | FC is the first major distro to start using LVM by default. |
| 03:52.57 | nathangg- | i have now /home |
| 03:53.03 | nathangg- | I have no /home |
| 03:53.16 | sjansen | You don't?! |
| 03:53.16 | nathangg- | (as a separate mount point) |
| 03:53.22 | sjansen | Oh, okay. |
| 03:53.23 | nathangg- | :-) |
| 03:53.37 | sjansen | Been awhile since I didn't a default FC3 install. |
| 03:53.54 | Maquis | sjansen: ummmm.... |
| 03:54.22 | sjansen | Maquis: Oh come on, that typo was tame by my standards. |
| 03:54.30 | Maquis | yes... |
| 03:54.38 | Maquis | but it could be interpreted two separate ways |
| 03:55.11 | Maquis | "been a while since i did a defautl FC3 install" or "been a while since i didn't do a default FC3 install" |
| 03:56.26 | sjansen | come now, does the second really make sense? |
| 03:56.55 | nathangg- | it sounded okay to me |
| 03:58.23 | sjansen | So stupid Debian is breaking my $MAIL, how do I write a default procmail rule that only matches if nothing else has? |
| 03:58.32 | sjansen | Oh, and |
| 03:58.38 | sjansen | (^$(^%(*%(&*^)&*R^*%(UYG(&^$IOY&T(&^ER(*^v procmail! |
| 04:05.11 | Maquis | sjansen: what is that, anyways? |
| 04:08.59 | sjansen | That is me saying words even a salt encrusted sailor would blush at while beating my keyboard with both fists and selling the responsible party's email addresses to known spammers. |
| 04:09.26 | sjansen | Mostly, however, I blame Debian. |
| 04:09.57 | Maquis | ah |
| 04:11.55 | LeviHome | I got a new coworker started on Debian. :) |
| 04:14.24 | tensai | me too. catch the fever |
| 04:20.32 | sjansen | Aren't fevers a sign of an unbalanced system? |
| 04:20.42 | sjansen | Disease, death, and decay. All that. |
| 04:26.44 | tensai | netcraft confirms, debian is dying |
| 04:51.29 | goozbach | hah! |
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| 04:58.19 | LeviHome | Hmm, RMS's blog was not nearly as interesting as I thought it might be. |
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| 05:07.35 | nathangg- | okay... I've installed Fedora... how do I create a new user? Is there a web interface? (I know you experts out there are just cringing right now ;-) |
| 05:07.50 | sjansen | useradd <newuser> |
| 05:07.54 | sjansen | passwd <newuser> |
| 05:08.09 | nathangg- | will that create the home directory and stuff? |
| 05:08.27 | sjansen | Alternatively, Applcations>System Tools>Something or other. |
| 05:08.34 | nathangg- | I have no GUI |
| 05:08.37 | sjansen | nathangg-: On FC/RH, yes. |
| 05:08.51 | sjansen | oh, right, so just stick with useradd |
| 05:09.15 | sjansen | On Debian, you would have needed an extra flag to useradd. |
| 05:09.30 | nathangg- | ah... Well, I'm glad I chose FC |
| 05:09.40 | nathangg- | useradd worked great (along with passwd) |
| 05:11.20 | Maquis | sjansen: isn't there a way to give a parameter to useradd so that it creates the home dir? |
| 05:11.42 | nathangg- | -d /home/userid |
| 05:11.44 | nathangg- | right? |
| 05:11.54 | sjansen | Maquis: that's what I said |
| 05:12.05 | sjansen | nathangg-: Not sure, always have to check the man page. |
| 05:12.16 | Maquis | sjansen: where? sorry... not seeing it |
| 05:12.29 | sjansen | "On Debian, you would have needed an extra flag to useradd." |
| 05:12.34 | Maquis | oh... |
| 05:12.38 | Maquis | so you don't need it in rh? |
| 05:12.46 | sjansen | correct |
| 05:13.04 | Maquis | interesting |
| 05:13.06 | Maquis | didn't know that |
| 05:14.41 | nathangg- | how do I find out my mac address? |
| 05:14.50 | Maquis | ifconfig |
| 05:14.51 | nathangg- | in FC |
| 05:15.05 | nathangg- | no dice |
| 05:15.10 | nathangg- | bash: ifconfig: command not found |
| 05:15.15 | sjansen | /sbin/ifconfig |
| 05:15.18 | Maquis | should list it as HWAddr |
| 05:15.20 | sjansen | It's only in root's path. |
| 05:15.34 | nathangg- | I am root right now |
| 05:15.35 | Maquis | right |
| 05:15.42 | Maquis | so ifconfig should give it to you |
| 05:15.55 | nathangg- | only after I went to /sbin and typed ./ifconfig |
| 05:16.00 | nathangg- | looks like I need to change my path |
| 05:16.10 | Maquis | did you log in as root? |
| 05:16.16 | nathangg- | no, I did su |
| 05:16.19 | nathangg- | that's probably why then |
| 05:16.21 | Maquis | without the -? |
| 05:16.21 | sjansen | No, he did an su with the -. |
| 05:16.30 | sjansen | s/with/without/ |
| 05:16.31 | nathangg- | i just typed "su" |
| 05:16.35 | Maquis | ok |
| 05:16.46 | Maquis | then you're currently using the regular user's path |
| 05:16.52 | sjansen | Always include the dash unless you have a reason not to. |
| 05:16.58 | nathangg- | got it |
| 05:17.14 | nathangg- | man, I'm really not that great at linux :-) I thought I was okay... |
| 05:17.24 | sjansen | For referenece, ip link show eth0 would also have worked. |
| 05:17.28 | tene | So... I've got a laptop here that I want to get online. |
| 05:17.29 | Maquis | haha... spend more time here, and you'll realize that you know nothing :) |
| 05:17.37 | tene | but it has no network card |
| 05:17.41 | tene | but it does have a modem |
| 05:17.43 | Maquis | sjansen: i take it that's a RH-only command? |
| 05:17.49 | sjansen | Maquis: no |
| 05:18.07 | tene | can I make a network link between two boxes using the modem? |
| 05:18.14 | Maquis | sjansen: i don't have a command 'ip' |
| 05:18.19 | sjansen | ip is all that and a little more |
| 05:18.26 | sjansen | Maquis: silly gentoo user, you didn't emerge it |
| 05:18.44 | Maquis | so, it's not a "general" command... |
| 05:18.45 | sjansen | tene: oof, not easily |
| 05:19.10 | tene | hrmm |
| 05:19.44 | sjansen | Maquis: Depends on what you consider general. |
| 05:20.07 | sjansen | It can do things that ifconfig/route can't. |
| 05:20.08 | tene | but possible? |
| 05:20.32 | Maquis | by default, i'm referring to things that are installed automatically without the necessity of installing other packages |
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| 05:20.47 | sjansen | That's really a function of the distro, now isn't it. |
| 05:21.00 | Maquis | well, there are some things that all distros install though |
| 05:21.00 | sjansen | Both RH and Debian include it by default. |
| 05:21.41 | tene | sjansen: is it feasible? |
| 05:21.44 | tensai | tene: you'd have to have something to generate voltage between tehm |
| 05:21.48 | tene | ahh |
| 05:21.54 | tene | so I'd need more hardware. |
| 05:22.07 | tene | I wish I still had that pcmcia NIC that I sold to SpecialK |
| 05:22.27 | tene | ~lart specialk |
| 05:23.04 | tensai | I think the lower level signalling would cause problems. I don't think two modems can talk directly without something in the middle. |
| 05:23.16 | tene | I suspected as much |
| 05:23.25 | tensai | why not a null modem serial cable? |
| 05:23.56 | tene | because I for some reason thought that it was pretty simple to do modem-modem, and much faster |
| 05:24.04 | tene | but I guess that I just made that memory up. |
| 05:24.05 | tensai | or a usb cable |
| 05:24.07 | Maquis | |lart saturday tests |
| 05:24.37 | sjansen | or a fistful of floppies |
| 05:25.00 | nathangg | so... how do I authenticate at BYU if I don't have a GUI? |
| 05:25.04 | Maquis | a fistfull of data |
| 05:25.12 | tensai | never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of mag tapes |
| 05:25.13 | Maquis | nathangg: links |
| 05:25.18 | sjansen | links/lynx/links? |
| 05:25.27 | nathangg | that's the text browser right? |
| 05:25.31 | sjansen | tensai: exactly |
| 05:25.39 | Maquis | methinks that sjansen meant to have an e in front of at least one of the links |
| 05:25.44 | sjansen | nathangg: there's three lynx, links, and links |
| 05:26.04 | sjansen | elinks usually comes aliases as links |
| 05:26.20 | Maquis | ah... |
| 05:26.32 | Maquis | well, then that makes it hard to distinguish between them |
| 05:26.40 | sjansen | yeah, it does |
| 05:27.05 | nathangg | wow... you guys are great |
| 05:27.19 | Maquis | nathangg: you're great |
| 05:27.31 | Maquis | it's rare to get questions on here that i know how to answer! so, i'm excited about this |
| 05:27.33 | tensai | lynx was my primary web browser for so long |
| 05:27.38 | Maquis | unfortunately, sjansen insists on stealing my thunder |
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| 05:29.23 | sjansen | sorry, Maquis, I'll try to be less helpful |
| 05:29.36 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:29.37 | Maquis | tis ok |
| 05:29.39 | tene | you could use w3m |
| 05:29.46 | Maquis | me with roommates go creamery eat ice cream :) |
| 05:29.47 | tene | another textbrower |
| 05:29.50 | tene | browser |
| 05:29.58 | sjansen | forgot about that one |
| 05:30.00 | tene | it's worked on a few sites that links/etc failed on |
| 05:31.04 | tensai | sjansen: the latest sarge installer supports lvm on / |
| 05:31.09 | tensai | as I just discovered |
| 05:31.29 | sjansen | The Ubuntu installer does to, just not entirely happilly. |
| 05:31.31 | tene | I really need to try installing debian sometime |
| 05:31.38 | sjansen | Had to poke it with a stick a couple times. |
| 05:31.52 | nathangg | well... thanks everyone... I'll probably be back later to figure some more things out (I've never started a server from scratch). |
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| 05:32.14 | tensai | it remains to be seen if I'll run into problems with it, but it installed without a hitch |
| 05:32.27 | sjansen | It growled at me, but didn't move quickly enough to break skin. |
| 05:32.28 | tensai | the installer is much better than with redhat 6.2 |
| 05:32.34 | sjansen | heh |
| 05:32.55 | sjansen | You shouldn't see any problems at all after the install, if Ubuntu is any indicator. |
| 05:32.56 | tensai | sjansen: oh, that illusion is awesome |
| 05:33.13 | tensai | if it boots it ought to work. that's the killer step |
| 05:50.02 | xbmodder | IRC is just multiplayer notepad. |
| 05:58.57 | Maquis | |lart saturday tests again |
| 05:59.15 | Maquis | ??? |
| 06:00.14 | tensai | ~dict passacaglia |
| 06:00.33 | tensai | ~dict chaconne |
| 06:00.50 | tensai | ~dict Maquis |
| 06:01.02 | Maquis | ~dict tensai |
| 06:01.14 | tensai | ~tensai |
| 06:01.15 | ibot | it has been said that tensai is a large smoked salmon |
| 06:01.22 | Maquis | |tensai |
| 06:01.26 | xbmodder | ~lart lart for larting |
| 06:01.34 | Maquis | tensai? |
| 06:01.34 | brigham | tensai is ten sighs or sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh sigh |
| 06:01.38 | sjansen | alot |
| 06:01.49 | LeviHome | I like it sometimes. |
| 06:01.52 | Maquis | sjansen: next time i go home, remind me of that fact |
| 06:02.27 | Maquis | (seattle is one of the best places for smoked salmon) |
| 06:02.53 | sjansen | reversed, of course, so you can read it in the mirror |
| 06:03.16 | Maquis | outpost.com! |
| 06:05.20 | sjansen | genius, pure genius |
| 06:05.27 | Maquis | :) |
| 06:07.35 | Maquis | " a filesystem that supports resizing is recommended, but not necessary, for use in an LVM environment." <-- what would the point be of LVM if the filesystem isn't resizeable? |
| 06:07.49 | sjansen | you can add filesystems as needed |
| 06:08.16 | Maquis | multiple filesystems on a partition? |
| 06:08.21 | Maquis | how does that work? |
| 06:08.30 | sjansen | with LVM |
| 06:08.41 | Maquis | ok... |
| 06:08.50 | Maquis | let's say that i have 2 filesystems on a partition |
| 06:08.53 | sjansen | LVM is kinda like a filesystem that contains filesystems |
| 06:08.54 | Maquis | how do i mount them? |
| 06:09.35 | sjansen | the partition is assigned to a volume group |
| 06:09.46 | sjansen | you mount the specific member of the volume group |
| 06:09.55 | Maquis | uh huh... |
| 06:10.14 | Maquis | but if you mount the partition, and it has 2 filesystems on it, do both get mounted to the same location? |
| 06:10.14 | sjansen | So, on my system my root fs is /dev/mapper/Volume00-ubuntu_root |
| 06:10.31 | sjansen | You don't mount the partition. |
| 06:10.37 | sjansen | Not really, anyway. |
| 06:11.00 | sjansen | Instead, mdadm "mounts" it and creates entries in /dev/mapper/ |
| 06:11.31 | Maquis | and mdadm notices the two filesystems? and sticks different entries in /dev/mapper for each? |
| 06:11.32 | sjansen | Think of it as being like a PC extended partition. |
| 06:12.02 | sjansen | yeah |
| 06:12.33 | sjansen | Generally, you don't need to worry about paritions at all. |
| 06:12.40 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 06:12.51 | Maquis | that's interesting |
| 06:12.52 | sjansen | Only when resizing a volume group. |
| 06:14.10 | Maquis | so, at the other end of my question, what filesystems are resizeable? |
| 06:16.50 | sjansen | Pretty much all the major linux ones at this point. ext2/3, reiser, jfs, xfs |
| 06:17.04 | sjansen | Although some are more solid than others. |
| 06:17.05 | Maquis | ok... |
| 06:17.20 | Maquis | is ext2/3 one of the more solid ones? |
| 06:17.26 | sjansen | yeah |
| 06:17.32 | Maquis | mmk |
| 06:17.49 | sjansen | although online resize is still a work in progress |
| 06:17.59 | Maquis | is ext2/3 generally considered to be more of a multi-purpose stable filesystem? |
| 06:18.16 | sjansen | depends on who you talk to, but yeah |
| 06:18.22 | Maquis | i've noticed that it seems to be the default filesystem for most distros |
| 06:18.41 | Maquis | and i was wondering if it was just because of stability, or if it has certain things that others didn't have |
| 06:18.47 | sjansen | history |
| 06:18.56 | sjansen | ext2 is old, really old |
| 06:19.18 | sjansen | inertia keeps it popular |
| 06:19.41 | sjansen | That, and really bad experiences with reiserfs many years ago. |
| 06:19.55 | Maquis | ah... |
| 06:20.08 | sjansen | Although sounds like reiserfs on a proper kernel might be more stable than ext3 these days. |
| 06:20.45 | Maquis | interesting |
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| 06:21.08 | Maquis | gentoo's example fs setup had ext2 for /boot, and ext3 for / |
| 06:21.23 | Maquis | is there any particular reason to use ext2 for /boot instead of ext3? |
| 06:21.54 | sjansen | minor space savings without the journal I suppose |
| 06:21.58 | sjansen | but not really |
| 06:22.08 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 06:24.52 | fozz | Howdy y |
| 06:24.54 | fozz | 'all |
| 06:24.54 | brigham | all are invited |
| 06:25.09 | fozz | 'all are frakked! |
| 06:26.03 | Maquis | fozz: i'm sorry |
| 06:26.10 | fozz | This guy has helped me do some work on my cars... so I feel obligated when he called and asked me to take a look at his laptop |
| 06:26.21 | fozz | I swear, this is probably the worst I've ever seen. |
| 06:26.28 | sjansen | do tell |
| 06:26.44 | fozz | Oh, just spyware and crap oozing out of every nook and cranny. |
| 06:26.56 | Maquis | ick |
| 06:27.05 | fozz | Usually hijack this and spybot can get rid of 99% of stuff. |
| 06:27.15 | fozz | Some of this stuff was installed as Windows services. |
| 06:27.18 | fozz | Crazy. |
| 06:27.26 | Maquis | scary |
| 06:27.33 | Maquis | ~hug linux |
| 06:27.35 | ibot | ACTION hugs linux |
| 06:27.37 | fozz | No kidding. |
| 06:27.57 | fozz | I caught an Information Weekly magazine today from a week or so ago... |
| 06:28.10 | Maquis | ack! |
| 06:28.15 | Maquis | i just got a popup! |
| 06:28.37 | fozz | The cover story was something like, "Three years into their Trusted Computing Initiative Microsoft is still releasing patches..." |
| 06:28.44 | LeviHome | sjansen: Isn't minor optimizations what gentoo is all about? |
| 06:29.40 | LeviHome | fozz: What kind of work on your cars? Just maintenance, or fun stuff? |
| 06:29.52 | fozz | What kills me is that some M$ executive said things are better because Windows 2003 Server has had fewer patches released than Windows 2000 Server in the same length of time. |
| 06:30.04 | fozz | Oh- he helped me replace my timing belts and water pump on the Subaru... |
| 06:30.12 | xbmodder | ~lart fozz's XP |
| 06:30.21 | fozz | and he recently helped me swap out a cracked exhaust manifold on the Mazda. |
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| 06:30.35 | fozz | We might be doing the clutch on the Subaru next. |
| 06:30.49 | LeviHome | I've got a lot of backed-up work to do on my cars. |
| 06:31.18 | fozz | Maquis: The timing belt and water pump was pretty serious for me... |
| 06:31.24 | Maquis | mmk |
| 06:31.45 | fozz | Exhaust manifold wasn't too hard. It's right front and center on the engine. |
| 06:32.05 | xbmodder | du -du -du -du drum stick- guitar drum synth! synth! |
| 06:32.10 | fozz | Timing belt is scary because if you don't get stuff put back together right, the engine is pretty much... toast. |
| 06:33.01 | xbmodder | thats bad |
| 06:33.11 | xbmodder | i think |
| 06:33.19 | fozz | Workin on cars gives you a lot of appreciation for mechanical engineers. :) |
| 06:33.33 | LeviHome | The Solara needs its brake pads checked and probably replaced, and an O2 sensor replaced. The Miata needs all sorts of work... oil change, brakes, clutch, radiator upgrade are probably most urgent. It also is due for another timing belt replacement and probably water pump as well, and I'd like to redo the suspension bushings and shocks. |
| 06:34.50 | LeviHome | I also need to fiddle with its engine tuning a bit, as it tends to idle-droop after it warms up. |
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| 06:35.18 | LeviHome | And it needs a new paint job. :) |
| 06:35.18 | fozz | I need new rotors and pads on the Subaru. I shoudl have had the rotors turned when I replaced the pads before. |
| 06:35.40 | fozz | Now it tends to grind a bit. |
| 06:35.52 | LeviHome | Basically, the Miata needs more work done on it than it's currently worth on the market. ;) |
| 06:35.56 | xbmodder | rm -rf enginneer/mechanical; mkdir -p geek/genius/mechinical; touch geek/genuis/mechanical/{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0}; mkdir geek/genuis/mechanical/type; echo 1 > geek/genuis/mechanical/type/attractive |
| 06:36.27 | fozz | xbmodder: You hopped up on meds tonight? :) |
| 06:36.38 | xbmodder | fozz, rofl |
| 06:36.39 | fozz | If so, I'm jealous. :) |
| 06:36.55 | JoshH | hes probably on sugar |
| 06:37.07 | xbmodder | no |
| 06:37.10 | xbmodder | just sick |
| 06:37.21 | xbmodder | and stuck in my house |
| 06:37.29 | xbmodder | so technically in #utah |
| 06:37.42 | JoshH | heh, like you wouldnt be home anyway. ;) |
| 06:38.51 | xbmodder | JoshH, thats hella mean... i'd prolly be somewhere until like 11 |
| 06:38.59 | JoshH | :P |
| 06:39.16 | JoshH | well personally i need to get some sleep, everything is starting to look anti-aliased. good night. |
| 06:39.21 | LeviHome | No one says 'hella' anymore. |
| 06:39.55 | xbmodder | i do! |
| 06:40.04 | xbmodder | lol |
| 06:40.13 | LeviHome | Ergo, you are no one. Bye bye! |
| 06:40.33 | xbmodder | ergo utah is now on my hit list :) |
| 06:40.49 | LeviHome | No, that doesn't follow from anything. |
| 06:40.56 | Maquis | LeviHome: nice |
| 06:43.22 | LeviHome | Isn't logic fun? |
| 06:44.04 | xbmodder | levi, no |
| 06:44.08 | Maquis | yes it is! |
| 06:45.27 | xbmodder | Maquis, i am not logical |
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| 06:45.44 | LeviHome | People aren't logical by nature. |
| 06:47.16 | Maquis | logic shows maturity |
| 06:49.35 | sjansen | heh |
| 06:49.38 | xbmodder | Umm somewhere in my thought processes i wanna hurt you Maquis |
| 06:50.02 | sjansen | Maturity is the ability to deal with life's illogical nature. |
| 06:51.38 | xbmodder | <Sheena> me = ho |
| 06:51.38 | xbmodder | <Sheena> t |
| 06:51.38 | xbmodder | <Sheena> OMg...worse typo ever |
| 06:52.51 | sjansen | No, the worst typo ever would have to be rm -Rf / tmp/somedir |
| 06:54.02 | sjansen | On a live production server with no backup and the CEO breathing down your neck. |
| 06:54.12 | xbmodder | lmao |
| 06:54.14 | Maquis | oh... that was boring.. they mean the same thing |
| 06:54.55 | sjansen | It's a habit. On older Unix systems -R was safer for an obscure reason I can't remember. |
| 06:55.02 | xbmodder | <McMooo> my sister invited some friend over to use my computer |
| 06:55.02 | xbmodder | <McMooo> and failed to tell me |
| 06:55.02 | xbmodder | <McMooo> so i get back from physics and there's a strange girl in my room. |
| 06:55.03 | xbmodder | <McMooo> a girl in my room is strange enough as it is |
| 06:55.21 | xbmodder | sjansen, -R is used to delete some files in /dev/ |
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| 07:04.04 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 07:05.50 | tene | ~lart SpecialK |
| 07:06.03 | xbmodder | ? |
| 07:06.22 | tene | so, SpecialK, I just ran into a situation where I actually could have used that cardbus NIC. |
| 07:06.25 | tene | heh |
| 07:07.34 | SpecialK | really. |
| 07:07.50 | SpecialK | I haven't figured out who makes it to get a working driver going. |
| 07:07.58 | tene | heh |
| 07:08.06 | tene | maybe it wouldn't have been so useful after all, then. |
| 07:08.45 | SpecialK | I spent a good 4 hours I didn't have to spend on it and then shelved it for awhile. |
| 07:08.52 | tene | ouch... |
| 07:09.15 | SpecialK | yeah. . . |
| 07:09.32 | tene | sorry... |
| 07:12.11 | xbmodder | <gweedo> the French government's nuclear 'football' contains white flags and translations of 'We surrender' in 178 languages |
| 07:37.16 | wps | is "date" a reserved keyword in SQL? |
| 07:37.28 | wps | meaning, that I can't use that for a column name? |
| 07:37.39 | Maquis | wps: i believe that it is... |
| 07:37.45 | Maquis | at least in mssql |
| 07:37.56 | sjansen | you can use reserved words as column names, you just have to jump through more hoops |
| 07:40.28 | wps | hmm... |
| 07:40.33 | wps | can you tell what is wrong with this? |
| 07:40.34 | wps | select pid, category, entered from projects orderby entered |
| 07:41.02 | sjansen | missing space after order |
| 07:41.17 | wps | ah hah! |
| 07:41.19 | wps | much thank you |
| 07:41.21 | wps | :) |
| 07:43.41 | wps | perfect |
| 07:43.45 | wps | thanks, guys |
| 08:04.39 | xbmodder | yeah! |
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| 08:58.50 | findlay | ~lart Maquis |
| 09:38.01 | bonez41 | anyone? |
| 09:38.30 | bonez41 | I just installed , apt-get style, mplayer-gui and a few other utilities...and now, I can't get mplayer, or mplayer-gui to run....what did I do wrong? |
| 09:39.19 | bonez41 | if I invoke 'mplayer-gui' at the prompt, I get 'command not found' |
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| 11:33.25 | goozbach | too stinkin early |
| 11:33.53 | goozbach | yup too stinkin early |
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| 12:01.23 | dataw0lf | bonez41: try 'gmplayer' |
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| 14:40.35 | hans | away |
| 15:05.57 | Maquis | bonez41: what if you just try mplayer? |
| 15:06.51 | Maquis | ok... so, i need to decide here... i can study for the next little bit, and take my cs345 test today, or i can start on the cs345 project that's due on tuesday, and study a bit, then take the test monday |
| 15:30.03 | hans | study/test unless you feel like coding |
| 15:30.11 | hans | if you are in the coding groove, work on your project. |
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| 15:47.18 | Maquis | hans: what if i'm in the "i want to go out and play" groove? |
| 15:50.47 | hans | Maquis: dunk yourself's head in cold water |
| 15:51.03 | hans | then you'll have to study while your hair dries. |
| 15:51.46 | Maquis | haha |
| 15:52.26 | Maquis | "it's beginning to look a lot like midterms... |
| 15:52.30 | Maquis | apathy abounds..." |
| 15:52.52 | Maquis | o/~ |
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| 18:02.24 | xbmodder_lappy | utahnians everywhere come meet your overlord, xbmodder |
| 18:05.11 | byronc | ~lart SWT |
| 18:06.59 | Maquis | SWT? |
| 18:07.03 | Maquis | ~swt |
| 18:07.09 | Maquis | ~wikipedia swt |
| 18:08.21 | Maquis | ibot: you're stupid |
| 18:08.23 | ibot | ACTION scratches his head |
| 18:08.33 | Maquis | exactly my point |
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| 18:09.21 | byronc | SWT is a gui toolkit |
| 18:09.40 | Maquis | yeah... i gave up on ibot and went to wikipedia myself :) |
| 18:09.53 | Maquis | what's the problem with it? |
| 18:10.20 | byronc | it's cross platform, but you have to pull weird tricks to get some things to look right on windows and linux. |
| 18:10.37 | Maquis | oh |
| 18:11.56 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart Maquis |
| 18:12.16 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart Maquis |
| 18:12.22 | xbmodder_lappy | yay! |
| 18:14.01 | bonez41 | anyone using an oss application for invoicing, to print or fax or email invoices? I am trying sql-ledger...but it's tricky getting set up |
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| 18:17.33 | nathangg- | i'm having some trouble getting ntp to work... http://ntp.isc.org/bin/view/Main/SoftwareDownloads (I installed it, and I added tick.byu.edu, tock.byu.edu and time.windows.com to /etc/ntp.conf, i then restarted ntpd... but I can't tell if it is working) |
| 18:17.41 | nathangg- | any ideas? |
| 18:18.04 | Maquis | nathangg-: does dmesg say anything about it? |
| 18:18.25 | Maquis | (dmesg on my desktop takes the time to mention that ntp isn't working on my computer) |
| 18:18.48 | nathangg- | i typed "dmesg | grep ntp" and it came up with SELinux: initialized (dev eventpollfs, type eventpollfs), uses genfs_contexts |
| 18:18.57 | nathangg- | (eveNTPollfs) |
| 18:19.19 | dataw0lf | have you tried ntpq yet? |
| 18:19.35 | nathangg- | i'm not sure what to do with that |
| 18:19.43 | dataw0lf | http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/ntpq.html |
| 18:20.26 | nathangg- | i read that... it still doesn't make since |
| 18:20.39 | nathangg- | ntpq... then I type, "host tick.byu.edu"... but then I don't know what to do |
| 18:22.02 | dataw0lf | type ntpq -n |
| 18:22.18 | nathangg- | that puts me in command mode for ntpq |
| 18:22.22 | dataw0lf | and type pe into the prompt |
| 18:22.56 | dataw0lf | eh, I gotta go do something, read this : http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/debug.html |
| 18:23.00 | nathangg- | k...it comes up with some stuff... |
| 18:23.01 | nathangg- | k |
| 18:27.21 | nathangg- | so... I *guess* it is working... is there an easy way to tell? |
| 18:29.15 | xbmodder_lappy | hah |
| 18:29.50 | xbmodder_lappy | is'nt napoleon dynamite like catholic directed |
| 18:32.53 | xbmodder_lappy | rm -rf /bin/rm |
| 18:36.18 | Maquis | ouch... |
| 18:36.25 | Maquis | my wrist hurts!!! |
| 18:37.48 | xbmodder_lappy | that sucks (insert what you like to be called) some random thought process: i thought girls liked to be called princess... maybe like a female version of tux *WHACK* |
| 18:39.39 | xbmodder_lappy | ...waiting did i accidentaly whack you? |
| 18:39.43 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart xbmodder_lappy |
| 18:39.52 | xbmodder_lappy | coolio |
| 18:39.56 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart xbmodder_lappy |
| 18:40.05 | xbmodder_lappy | ouch |
| 18:40.07 | xbmodder_lappy | where? |
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| 18:43.20 | xbmodder_lappy | whatching burly man chr0nicles! |
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| 18:45.47 | xbmodder_lappy | do well... |
| 18:48.03 | xbmodder_lappy | carrie-anne-moss' stunt double chews her nails |
| 18:52.56 | xbmodder_lappy | keanu reeves is going crazy |
| 18:53.05 | xbmodder_lappy | anyone here? |
| 18:53.22 | xbmodder_lappy | OSS-question: Any good linux POS systems? |
| 18:54.39 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy, you sound pretty bored |
| 18:54.53 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, yeah... |
| 18:55.32 | tensai | nathangg-: what does 'ntpq -p localhost' show? |
| 18:55.32 | xbmodder_lappy | but my father is buying a chain of 8 restuarants and my employeer is also purchasing some resturants... |
| 18:55.51 | xbmodder_lappy | whats why i need POS system |
| 18:56.20 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.20 | tensai | ============================================================================== |
| 18:56.20 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:56.29 | tensai | something like that means it's working |
| 18:56.30 | xbmodder_lappy | what about me? |
| 18:58.12 | emcnabb | what about you? |
| 19:02.24 | xbmodder_lappy | Where is the Linux based POS system? |
| 19:02.33 | xbmodder_lappy | btw POS = Point of Sale |
| 19:04.43 | emcnabb | 10 seconds of googling found this site: |
| 19:04.45 | emcnabb | http://linux-pos.org/ |
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| 19:05.10 | emcnabb | http://linux-pos.org/index.php?option=content&task=category§ionid=4&id=11&Itemid=30 |
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| 19:21.07 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 19:24.53 | xbmodder_lappy | thanks |
| 19:28.34 | emcnabb | xbmodder_lappy, did you find anything you think will work for you? |
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| 19:32.42 | xbmodder | this is quite fun... righting letters about philosphy |
| 19:37.36 | xbmodder | I though about what you said last night. I thought about what I would do if I was in your position. Now I realize that I've put people in the position your in right now. I am so sorry. Philosophically intertwined at the center of love is pain. Your pain is deep. The scars of love are true. I wish there was a way with one touch I could take all your pain from you and reveal your beautiful heart. |
| 19:37.40 | xbmodder | hmm |
| 19:37.44 | xbmodder | does that sound wierd? |
| 19:45.00 | xbmodder | PING! |
| 19:45.54 | emcnabb | ping what? |
| 19:46.47 | xbmodder | yeah! |
| 19:46.53 | byronc | xbmodder: I'm guessing that asking a mostly male group of geeks about your love note isn't the best way to find out if it's weird |
| 19:46.53 | xbmodder | how are you emcnabb? |
| 19:47.11 | xbmodder | byronc, its not a love note.... |
| 19:47.31 | byronc | my point exactly :) |
| 19:47.35 | emcnabb | haha |
| 19:47.36 | xbmodder | hmm |
| 19:47.56 | emcnabb | write something, wait a few days, and then look back to see how it sounds |
| 19:48.03 | xbmodder | should i set up a linux-POS for the lemonade stand for the kids accross the street |
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| 19:48.29 | xbmodder | hey spr_ sup! |
| 19:48.51 | spr_ | ~seen sjansen |
| 19:48.52 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 12h 7m 50s ago, saying: 'missing space after order'. |
| 19:48.58 | spr_ | dang it |
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| 19:54.53 | nathangg- | I'm trying to compile apache2 on my machine... but I'm having some errors... I started with this... ./configure --enable-auth-ldap --enable-ldap --enable-rewrite --enable-so --enable-ssl and that went okay |
| 19:55.20 | nathangg- | but when I typed "make"... it gave me errors... a ton of "util_ldap.c:499: error:" errors |
| 19:55.34 | nathangg- | any ideas? |
| 19:56.46 | byronc | nathangg-: do you have the openldap-dev(el) package installed? |
| 19:57.08 | nathangg- | That is what I was just thinking... (Hey byron) |
| 19:57.19 | nathangg- | I get it from openldap.org right? |
| 19:58.02 | byronc | nathangg-: what are you running on? |
| 19:58.11 | nathangg- | Fedora Core |
| 19:58.17 | nathangg- | I'm open for change though |
| 19:59.00 | byronc | why don't you just install the openldap-devel package that came with Fedora Core |
| 19:59.27 | nathangg- | well, I would, except... I didn't know there was one |
| 20:00.07 | nathangg- | Right now, the only thing I know how to do with *nix is downlaod a .tar.gz, extract it, and then run ./configure, make, and make install |
| 20:00.20 | nathangg- | i don't know how to use apt-get or any fancy stuff |
| 20:00.38 | nathangg- | how do I install the openldap-devel package? |
| 20:01.17 | byronc | nathangg-: The whole point of using a distribution is to let them do most, if not all, of the packaging and building work for you |
| 20:01.33 | byronc | if it's a recent fedora you can probably just do 'yum install openldap-devel' |
| 20:02.17 | emcnabb | nathangg-, what verion of FC is it? |
| 20:02.27 | nathangg- | byron: how would I have found that out? Or rather, if I want to install something else in the future, how can I tell if FC has already compiled it for me? |
| 20:02.33 | nathangg- | the latest from ftp.cs.byu.edu |
| 20:02.42 | nathangg- | I installed it yesterday |
| 20:03.01 | emcnabb | which version is it? |
| 20:03.08 | emcnabb | cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 20:03.20 | nathangg- | FCR |
| 20:03.22 | nathangg- | FC3 |
| 20:03.29 | byronc | nathangg-: yum search <pattern> |
| 20:03.38 | nathangg- | Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) |
| 20:03.51 | nathangg- | byronc: thanks |
| 20:05.32 | emcnabb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.41 | emcnabb | that just worked on my FC3 box |
| 20:06.25 | nathangg- | yum search "openldap" doesn't seem to work |
| 20:06.44 | nathangg- | does it just take a long time? |
| 20:07.27 | byronc | may take quite a while because it's going to update the local list of available packages |
| 20:07.41 | nathangg- | k.... do I need the quotes usually? |
| 20:07.42 | emcnabb | try running: yum upgrade |
| 20:07.47 | emcnabb | either way works |
| 20:08.30 | emcnabb | that will update your box (FC3 has plenty of updates) and will make sure your local list is up-to-date |
| 20:08.40 | emcnabb | local package list that is |
| 20:08.43 | nathangg- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.44 | nathangg- | [root@bluefire openldap-2.2.23]# yum upgrade |
| 20:08.44 | nathangg- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.44 | nathangg- | You have enabled checking of packages via GPG keys. This is a good thing. |
| 20:08.44 | nathangg- | However, you do not have any GPG public keys installed. You need to download |
| 20:08.44 | nathangg- | the keys for packages you wish to install and install them. |
| 20:08.47 | nathangg- | You can do that by running the command: |
| 20:08.48 | nathangg- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.50 | nathangg- | For more information contact your distribution or package provider. |
| 20:08.54 | nathangg- | I'm kind of stuck |
| 20:08.55 | emcnabb | ok |
| 20:09.02 | emcnabb | do you have your CD's there? |
| 20:09.05 | nathangg- | yepp |
| 20:09.17 | nathangg- | only 1, 2, and 3 |
| 20:09.19 | emcnabb | ok, insert the first CD, and cd into that director |
| 20:09.20 | emcnabb | y |
| 20:09.23 | nathangg- | I didn't need the rest |
| 20:09.25 | xbmodder | nathangg-, i reccomend gentoo |
| 20:09.41 | emcnabb | xbmodder, I don't always recommend it |
| 20:09.45 | emcnabb | and I use it |
| 20:10.00 | nathangg- | someone else recommended debian to me |
| 20:10.01 | xbmodder | heh... |
| 20:10.21 | emcnabb | you will get plenty of suggestions from everyone :-) |
| 20:10.44 | nathangg- | okay... i'm not sure how to get to the cdrom |
| 20:10.50 | nathangg- | i've never had to before |
| 20:10.58 | emcnabb | mount /media/cdrom (as root) |
| 20:11.19 | emcnabb | then: cd /media/cdrom |
| 20:11.22 | nathangg- | cool |
| 20:11.37 | nathangg- | k, now what? |
| 20:11.58 | emcnabb | do an 'ls' and there is a file in there with GPG in the name |
| 20:12.03 | emcnabb | I forget the exact name |
| 20:12.13 | xbmodder | ls *GPG* |
| 20:12.15 | xbmodder | heh |
| 20:12.36 | emcnabb | rpm --import that_file_name |
| 20:12.37 | nathangg- | there are 6... RPM-GPG-KEY |
| 20:12.40 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 20:12.48 | emcnabb | that's the one |
| 20:14.20 | emcnabb | now your yum commands should work |
| 20:14.32 | xbmodder | heh.... all that for yum... |
| 20:14.32 | nathangg- | how do I unmount? |
| 20:14.48 | byronc | nathangg-: cd /; umount /media/cdrom |
| 20:14.59 | xbmodder | brb |
| 20:17.10 | nathangg- | could I have just compiled OpenLDAP myself? |
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| 20:17.19 | nathangg- | or would have been there some other dependency? |
| 20:17.31 | byronc | nathangg-: you definately could have |
| 20:17.31 | emcnabb | trust me, you don't want to compile things from source if you don't need to |
| 20:17.43 | emcnabb | use the distro's packaging system |
| 20:17.43 | byronc | the key word here is 'lazy' |
| 20:17.59 | byronc | being lazy makes linux much nicer at times |
| 20:18.00 | nathangg- | right... I guess I am just not familiar with yum yet... |
| 20:18.01 | emcnabb | what do you do when the 10 programs you compiled from source have security updates? |
| 20:18.10 | emcnabb | yum is very simple |
| 20:18.12 | emcnabb | yum upgrade |
| 20:18.20 | emcnabb | yum install some_package_name |
| 20:18.23 | nathangg- | k... sounds like I should learn yum |
| 20:18.25 | emcnabb | yum search some_string |
| 20:18.29 | emcnabb | that's about it |
| 20:18.51 | nathangg- | oh... I only have 4 GB free space... yum isn't going to eat up all my space right? |
| 20:18.57 | emcnabb | you can add additional channels too |
| 20:19.04 | nathangg- | channels? |
| 20:19.12 | emcnabb | yum clean _____ |
| 20:19.16 | emcnabb | read the man page |
| 20:19.19 | nathangg- | k |
| 20:19.37 | nathangg- | thanks for your help everyone |
| 20:19.41 | emcnabb | yum clean all |
| 20:19.43 | emcnabb | np |
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| 20:22.53 | Maquis | 86%... not too shabby |
| 20:27.39 | xbmodder | nice work Maquis |
| 20:27.42 | xbmodder | I though about what you said last night. I thought about what I would do if I was in your position. Now I realize that I've put people in the position your in right now. I am so sorry. Philosophically intertwined at the center of love is pain. Your pain is deep. The scars of love are true. I wish there was a way with one touch I could take all your pain from you and reveal your beautiful heart. |
| 20:27.56 | xbmodder | I though about what you said last night. I thought about what I would |
| 20:27.56 | xbmodder | do if I was in your position. Now I realize that I've put people in |
| 20:27.56 | xbmodder | the position your in right now. I am so sorry. Philosophically |
| 20:27.56 | xbmodder | intertwined at the center of love is pain. Your pain is deep. The |
| 20:27.56 | xbmodder | scars of love are true. I wish there was a way with one touch I could |
| 20:27.58 | xbmodder | take all your pain from you and reveal your beautiful heart. Please |
| 20:28.00 | xbmodder | don't cry. For me. I am sorry for everyone who has hurt you. Remember |
| 20:28.02 | xbmodder | you can share your pain with me. |
| 20:28.04 | xbmodder | -Sargun |
| 20:28.06 | xbmodder | Hope the wounds heal |
| 20:29.14 | emcnabb | have you thought about joining #stalker? |
| 20:29.34 | xbmodder | i 0wn #stalker |
| 20:29.40 | xbmodder | and yes been there done that... |
| 20:29.49 | emcnabb | ok, well post your message there |
| 20:29.50 | xbmodder | alibi! |
| 20:30.22 | xbmodder | no one else is there.... |
| 20:30.25 | xbmodder | and how is it stalker-ish? |
| 20:30.29 | emcnabb | exactly my point |
| 20:30.41 | emcnabb | we don't want to help proofread your message |
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| 20:31.22 | xbmodder | no... i just wanna make sure it does not scare her... too much... f-it |
| 20:31.29 | xbmodder | nathangg-, sup! |
| 20:31.31 | nathangg- | um.... i did yum upgrade, and it is taking for EVER to download |
| 20:31.33 | nathangg- | hiya |
| 20:31.41 | emcnabb | well, it probably will, so don't send it |
| 20:31.51 | xbmodder | emcnabb, too late |
| 20:31.54 | emcnabb | not that I care at all |
| 20:32.09 | xbmodder | emcnabb, thats not very nice... |
| 20:32.19 | emcnabb | well, I don't, nor does anyone else |
| 20:32.27 | nathangg- | it is currently stuck on...Reading repository metadata in from local files |
| 20:32.27 | nathangg- | primary.xml.gz 16% |==== | 128 kB 91:22 ETA i |
| 20:32.39 | nathangg- | it has been that way for 5 minutes or so... |
| 20:32.41 | xbmodder | nathangg-, you gotta slow mirror! |
| 20:32.42 | nathangg- | is this normal? |
| 20:32.52 | xbmodder | or a dead one... |
| 20:33.00 | xbmodder | why do people get scared when i randomly know everything about them and their friends? |
| 20:33.15 | emcnabb | http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors.html |
| 20:33.29 | emcnabb | ctrl-c it and start it again |
| 20:33.38 | nathangg- | how do I change the mirror? |
| 20:33.40 | xbmodder | nathangg-, why don't you just stay here/ |
| 20:33.44 | nathangg- | how do I change to a new mirror? |
| 20:34.04 | nathangg- | xbmodder: why? cuz, I keep thinking I won't need to come back |
| 20:34.07 | nathangg- | :-) |
| 20:34.10 | xbmodder | heh |
| 20:34.51 | byronc | nathangg-: /etc/yum.conf |
| 20:35.12 | nathangg- | byronc: thx... I was looking through the man pages but didn't see anything |
| 20:35.28 | emcnabb | /etc/yum.repos.d |
| 20:35.37 | Maquis | but given the 10-minute nap i had yesterday, it doesn't seem like a productive idea... |
| 20:35.55 | xbmodder | oddtodd.com |
| 20:36.00 | emcnabb | FC3 breaks up the yum.conf file a bit |
| 20:36.41 | nathangg- | I noticed |
| 20:36.58 | nathangg- | so... it just says ../, fedora-devel.repo...etc |
| 20:37.14 | nathangg- | there don't seem to be instructions on how to change the mirror ;-) |
| 20:39.16 | emcnabb | http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/ |
| 20:40.20 | emcnabb | have you tried to run the yum command again (so that you hit a different mirror)? |
| 20:42.18 | Maquis | methinks that if you go to that site, and click on /etc/yum.conf (under section 10), it might have what you want... |
| 20:43.14 | Maquis | it has a little area about the server section, and it talks about having mirrors to various repositories (and it has a sample section from a config file) |
| 20:43.31 | Maquis | emcnabb: is that what he's looking for? |
| 20:44.40 | emcnabb | FC3 sets up multiple mirrors by default; take a look at /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora.repo |
| 20:45.17 | emcnabb | it should (I think) try another mirror if you run the command again |
| 20:45.50 | Maquis | couldn't you figure out which one's having problems and comment it out? |
| 20:46.28 | emcnabb | mirrorlist=http://fedora.redhat.com/download/mirrors/updates-released-fc$releasever |
| 20:46.38 | nathangg- | here is what I am doing right now:: following these instructions: http://aaltonen.us/archive/2004/11/13/yum-in-fedora-core-3/ |
| 20:46.55 | emcnabb | there are not really a "list of mirrors" on your local system |
| 20:47.06 | emcnabb | have you tried running the command again nathangg-? |
| 20:47.20 | xbmodder | Maquis, lol |
| 20:47.26 | nathangg- | not yet... i'm still working on changing my mirrors |
| 20:48.00 | emcnabb | what I'm saying is you may not need to |
| 20:48.09 | xbmodder | is there a good way to copy files from a EXT3 file system to standard DOSFS format? (no spaces) |
| 20:48.55 | emcnabb | like with unix2dos? |
| 20:49.26 | xbmodder | i think thats a text converter :-/ |
| 20:49.46 | emcnabb | what do you mean by "DOSFS format"? |
| 20:49.56 | xbmodder | no like when i say cp /mnt/music/* /mnt/SDCARD # I want it to convert all the spaces to _ |
| 20:50.05 | emcnabb | ok, gotcha |
| 20:50.18 | xbmodder | i am googlign |
| 20:50.56 | emcnabb | as far as I know you may need to run the filenames through sed |
| 20:51.10 | byronc | xbmodder: hold on, here's a cool bash way to do it |
| 20:51.13 | xbmodder | thats what i was thinking |
| 20:51.21 | emcnabb | byronc would know :-) |
| 20:51.33 | xbmodder | but i was like of course #utah/byronc knows |
| 20:51.51 | emcnabb | oh, you may need to use tr |
| 20:52.05 | byronc | for f in `cd /mnt/music; find . -type f`; do cp /mnt/music/$f /mnt/SDCARD/${f// /_}; done |
| 20:52.31 | emcnabb | for f in *; do mv -v $f `echo $f |tr ' ' '_' `; done |
| 20:52.42 | emcnabb | (I haven't tested mine yet) |
| 20:53.03 | xbmodder | hah |
| 20:53.04 | emcnabb | byronc, that's a good idea |
| 20:53.04 | Maquis | emcnabb: wouldn't it be safer to move all the files with the spaces to a separate dir... |
| 20:53.25 | Maquis | and then to use cp instead of mv, so that you have a backup? |
| 20:53.30 | emcnabb | obviously you'll want to customize it for your needs |
| 20:53.44 | byronc | parameter expansion in bash is one of the most useful shell features I've found |
| 20:54.12 | xbmodder | byronc, how do i do that for /mnt/music/*Killer* |
| 20:55.31 | byronc | xbmodder: change the part in backticks to `cd /mnt/music; ls *Killer*` |
| 20:55.40 | xbmodder | coolio |
| 20:56.02 | emcnabb | for f in *; do mv -v "$f" `echo $f |tr ' ' '_' `; done |
| 20:56.07 | emcnabb | that works |
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| 20:56.32 | byronc | note that I only have the 'cd /mnt/music' in there so that you don't have to deal with it in the new directory |
| 20:56.39 | xbmodder | i have a horrible error byronc |
| 20:57.00 | byronc | doh, I didn't test it :) |
| 20:57.10 | byronc | what's the error |
| 20:57.16 | xbmodder | http://pastebin.ca/6488 |
| 20:57.38 | xbmodder | emcnabb, that movies the files |
| 20:57.49 | xbmodder | *moves |
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| 20:57.53 | emcnabb | it renames them |
| 20:58.21 | byronc | xbmodder: doh, here's the change |
| 20:58.48 | emcnabb | xbmodder, isn't that what you wanted? |
| 20:58.51 | byronc | for f in `cd /mnt/music; find . -type f`; do cp "/mnt/music/$f" "/mnt/SDCARD/${f// /_}"; done |
| 21:00.01 | xbmodder | byronc, same eror :-/ |
| 21:00.35 | Maquis | amcnabb: out of curiosity, have you decided on a creativity project yet? |
| 21:00.48 | xbmodder | wow... emcnabb you rock... |
| 21:00.48 | emcnabb | mine only renames a single directory's files, then you can copy them whereever you want |
| 21:00.54 | emcnabb | byronc's is cooler though |
| 21:01.13 | xbmodder | umm byronc's does not work.. and i hacked your a little... |
| 21:01.23 | byronc | xbmodder: what happens when you run this: for f in `cd /mnt/music; find . -type f`; do echo $f; done |
| 21:01.54 | xbmodder | alotta stuff comes out |
| 21:01.58 | xbmodder | +200 lines |
| 21:02.28 | byronc | xbmodder: how about the first two |
| 21:03.18 | xbmodder | hmm |
| 21:03.48 | xbmodder | hmm: ./Napoleon |
| 21:03.48 | xbmodder | Dynamite |
| 21:03.48 | xbmodder | - |
| 21:03.48 | xbmodder | The |
| 21:03.48 | xbmodder | White |
| 21:03.49 | xbmodder | Stripes |
| 21:03.51 | xbmodder | - |
| 21:03.53 | xbmodder | We're |
| 21:03.59 | xbmodder | Going |
| 21:04.01 | xbmodder | to |
| 21:04.03 | xbmodder | be |
| 21:04.05 | xbmodder | Friends.mp3 |
| 21:04.07 | xbmodder | thats the last 'section' it turns the spaces into \n |
| 21:04.58 | byronc | xbmodder: okay, here we go |
| 21:05.17 | byronc | OLDIFS=$IFS; IFS="\n"; for f in `cd /mnt/music; find . -type f`; do cp "/mnt/music/$f" "/mnt/SDCARD/${f// /_}"; done; IFS=$OLDIFS |
| 21:05.27 | xbmodder | byronc, i'll stick with emcnabb's |
| 21:05.37 | emcnabb | just so everyone knows, tomorrow is amcnabb's birthday |
| 21:05.49 | xbmodder | happy early b-day amcnabb! |
| 21:05.50 | emcnabb | I give full permission to give him a hard time |
| 21:06.01 | Maquis | how old is he turning? |
| 21:06.13 | emcnabb | old |
| 21:06.29 | emcnabb | I think he may be 23 |
| 21:06.37 | emcnabb | (I should know these things) |
| 21:07.50 | nathangg- | yay! yum is upgrading |
| 21:08.15 | nathangg- | so, it upgrades, and everything is great... and when I want to install something, how do I know it isn't already installed? |
| 21:08.17 | xbmodder | umm... this is wierd :-/ my files are dissapearing :-/ |
| 21:08.42 | emcnabb | rpm -qa |grep openldap |
| 21:09.08 | emcnabb | that will show you what rpms are installed with the string 'openldap' in them |
| 21:09.11 | xbmodder | http://pastebin.ca/6489 |
| 21:09.13 | xbmodder | :-/ |
| 21:09.32 | nathangg- | k, thanks, gotta run |
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| 21:12.17 | xbmodder | who is Joerg? |
| 21:12.20 | byronc | maybe my cdrecord problem will be fixed, or at least we can find the root cause. |
| 21:12.31 | byronc | cdrtools maintainer |
| 21:13.00 | xbmodder | whats wrong with it? |
| 21:13.32 | byronc | anything after 2.01a33 hangs for over an hour trying to do a DMA test on my USB burner. |
| 21:14.55 | xbmodder | that sucks... |
| 21:15.13 | byronc | and then it dies in the middle of the burn |
| 21:15.57 | emcnabb | well, see you guys later |
| 21:18.15 | Maquis | bye emcnabb |
| 21:24.01 | tene | nodnodnod |
| 21:26.33 | JoshH | there is nothing i cant eat easily with a fork or spoon. |
| 21:27.25 | Maquis | i find that certain things are easier with chopsticks |
| 21:28.17 | JoshH | lol, i suck at using chopsticks |
| 21:28.24 | Maquis | :) |
| 21:28.24 | JoshH | whenever i try, food goes flying everywhere. |
| 22:11.56 | Maquis | |lart cs profs who post project documentation in .doc format |
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| 22:28.06 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
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| 22:31.21 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 22:31.30 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
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| 22:51.08 | SpecialK | How do I do a DNS lookup on a spammers website?| |
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| 22:52.08 | sjansen | dig |
| 22:52.27 | resplin | Has anyone here ever played with an IBM AP-500 wireless access point? |
| 22:52.36 | sjansen | digis the answer to ever dns question |
| 22:52.41 | sjansen | expect when bind is the answer |
| 22:54.55 | Maquis | :) |
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| 23:09.51 | sjansen | ~lart apartment hunting |
| 23:10.02 | sjansen | heh heh heh, perfect |
| 23:11.27 | sjansen | http://laku19.adsl.netsonic.fi/era/mail/autoresponder-faq.html |
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| 23:14.19 | nathangg- | is httpd the same thing as apache? |
| 23:14.27 | sjansen | yeah |
| 23:14.42 | nathangg- | k, well, I have a problem: |
| 23:14.44 | nathangg- | [ng32@bluefire init.d]$ ./httpd start |
| 23:14.44 | nathangg- | Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 117 of /etc/httpd/conf.d/ssl.conf: |
| 23:14.44 | nathangg- | SSLCertificateFile: file '/etc/httpd/conf/ssl.crt/server.crt' does not exist or is empty |
| 23:14.44 | nathangg- | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.08 | nathangg- | I don't know much about ssl certificates... but can I make my own? |
| 23:15.13 | sjansen | you can |
| 23:15.26 | sjansen | there's several ways to do so |
| 23:15.38 | nathangg- | is there a place I can read about it and follow instructions? |
| 23:15.48 | sjansen | google for self signed certificate apache |
| 23:16.23 | sjansen | FC might have a make file that does it for you, but I can't remember if that's apache or another service that comes with the makefile |
| 23:16.37 | nathangg- | hmm... it works now... i wasn't root when I was starting apache |
| 23:16.38 | sjansen | normally, the cert should have been generated when you installed apache |
| 23:16.52 | nathangg- | i guess I have to start apache (httpd) as root |
| 23:17.00 | sjansen | yes, you do |
| 23:17.19 | sjansen | and program that uses a port under 1024 has to be started by root |
| 23:17.28 | nathangg- | sjansen: geez... the simplest things hang me up |
| 23:17.34 | sjansen | well... for now, that might be changing eventually |
| 23:17.54 | nathangg- | we hope... so... I'm trying to get used to yum |
| 23:18.03 | nathangg- | how do I check if mod_ldap is installed for apache? |
| 23:18.09 | nathangg- | and if it isn't, how do I install it? |
| 23:18.12 | sjansen | no, I'm referring to the 1024 restriction |
| 23:18.19 | scott_ | anyone know of an app like a wiki, but that runs on the desktop and can sync to a wiki on a server? |
| 23:18.36 | sjansen | nathangg-: IIRC, should already be there |
| 23:18.58 | nathangg- | what is IIRC? |
| 23:19.08 | sjansen | if I remember correctly |
| 23:19.21 | nathangg- | sjansen: thanks |
| 23:19.24 | sjansen | scott_: there was a really popular one for Mac OS X |
| 23:19.43 | sjansen | nathangg-: there's a flag you can pass to httpd to get a list of modules compiled in |
| 23:19.59 | nathangg- | i tried connecting to my server over https... but it says "connection refused"... any ideas? |
| 23:20.32 | sjansen | I don't think that apache starts listening on 443 by default. |
| 23:20.50 | nathangg- | sjansen: do I need to change some things in the .conf file? |
| 23:20.53 | scott_ | sjansen, voodoopad? |
| 23:21.28 | sjansen | scott_: not sure |
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| 23:24.13 | sjansen | nathangg-: somethings screwy, you shouldn't have had an error message about the server certificate if it wasn't trying to listen on 443 |
| 23:24.20 | sjansen | service httpd status |
| 23:25.15 | nathangg- | sjansen: hmmm... when I go to my server in a web browser, it just says, "connection refused..." |
| 23:25.28 | nathangg- | sjansen: do you want me to type in "service httpd status"? |
| 23:25.32 | sjansen | yes |
| 23:26.02 | nathangg- | [root@bluefire init.d]# service httpd status |
| 23:26.02 | nathangg- | bash: service: command not found |
| 23:26.17 | sjansen | did you su -? |
| 23:26.39 | nathangg- | [root@bluefire ~]# service httpd status |
| 23:26.39 | nathangg- | httpd (pid 15832 15831 15830 15829 15828 15827 15826 15825 15822) is running... |
| 23:26.42 | nathangg- | :-D |
| 23:26.52 | sjansen | /etc/init.d/httpd status <-- mean the same thing |
| 23:27.05 | nathangg- | yeah, that's what I figured after I saw the output |
| 23:27.16 | sjansen | service iptables stop |
| 23:27.43 | sjansen | iptables is the firewall, we're temporarily stopping it to see if that's the problem |
| 23:27.59 | nathangg- | that was it |
| 23:28.03 | bucky | does redhut still want you to put a dash after su to get your path? |
| 23:28.46 | nathangg- | bucky: you need a space between the su and the dash (it took me awhile to figure that out) |
| 23:28.56 | nathangg- | sjansen: so, how do I open up port 443? |
| 23:29.00 | sjansen | bucky: all *nix do |
| 23:29.13 | sjansen | service iptables start |
| 23:29.18 | bucky | i guess i don't use *nix |
| 23:30.00 | nathangg- | sjansen: that started the firewall again, but how do I open up a port? |
| 23:30.01 | sjansen | Or you use a wacked *nix who's maintainers deserve to be slapped. |
| 23:30.09 | sjansen | nathangg-: just a moment |
| 23:30.24 | Maquis | sjansen: only slapped? |
| 23:30.26 | Maquis | i'm disappointe |
| 23:30.27 | Maquis | d |
| 23:30.56 | bucky | gnu's not unix |
| 23:32.18 | sjansen | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --destination-port 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:32.24 | sjansen | service iptables save |
| 23:33.07 | nathangg- | can I read something somewhere (I want to be able to do this in the future) |
| 23:33.25 | sjansen | www.netfilter.org |
| 23:33.35 | sjansen | man iptables |
| 23:33.48 | sjansen | view /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 23:33.58 | sjansen | those should be a good start |
| 23:34.28 | sjansen | bucky: So how does one su without changing the environment? |
| 23:34.47 | bucky | i don't know... i don't use unix |
| 23:34.49 | nathangg- | sjansen: so, I did that, and I restarted iptables, but it didn't work |
| 23:35.12 | Maquis | sjansen: could he maybe have alias su='su -'? |
| 23:35.13 | sjansen | Ah, okay, I thought you were implying that you used GNU/Hurd. |
| 23:35.23 | sjansen | nathangg-: not restart, save |
| 23:35.36 | nathangg- | i did save, then I restarted |
| 23:35.56 | sjansen | bummer, guess we should have used -I instead |
| 23:36.01 | bucky | sjansen, GNU is a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix" |
| 23:36.09 | sjansen | bucky: I'm aware. |
| 23:36.28 | bucky | linux is a unix clone |
| 23:36.36 | sjansen | Maquis: He could be deliberately trying to be obtuse. |
| 23:37.02 | sjansen | nathangg-: The config get saved in /etc/sysconfig/iptables IIRC |
| 23:37.24 | sjansen | Look at it and see if you can figure out how to put approximately the rule I said ealier in it. |
| 23:37.33 | sjansen | If not, I can work with you to help you figure it out. |
| 23:38.06 | bucky | is su a GNU application ? |
| 23:38.17 | sjansen | can be |
| 23:38.32 | bucky | or a RedHat clone |
| 23:38.47 | sjansen | Depends on where you get it. There's at least 3 major version of su: Gnu, BSD, and Busybox. |
| 23:39.04 | bucky | which one does rh use? |
| 23:39.18 | sjansen | Red Hat has written some custom PAM rules for it. GNU, IIRC. |
| 23:39.24 | bucky | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.52 | sjansen | But the - is basic su behavior, nothing to do with RH customization. |
| 23:40.54 | bucky | The optional argument - may be used to provide an environment similiar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly. |
| 23:40.56 | sjansen | Oh, and while we're on the topic of definitions *nix != Unix. *nix = {Linux, Unix, and other Unix like systems like Mac OS X} |
| 23:41.25 | bucky | but no necessarily have to use - according to my man page |
| 23:42.06 | Maquis | bucky: you don't have to use - to su, |
| 23:42.15 | bucky | i need some twenty year old to teach me these things sjansen .... that's why i'm here |
| 23:42.17 | Maquis | you just don't get the path and other environment-ish variables |
| 23:42.26 | sjansen | More exactly, the - makes the new shell a login shell (similar to bash -l), whereas without the - it's basically just chaning the EUID. |
| 23:42.38 | nathangg- | sjansen: http://linux.ncl.ac.uk/firewall/ |
| 23:42.49 | nathangg- | sjansen: that page says: iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT 1 -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT |
| 23:42.52 | nathangg- | and it worked |
| 23:43.16 | Maquis | bucky: in any places where my explanation disagrees with sjansen's, trust sjansen's... |
| 23:43.23 | sjansen | Yeah, forgot that RH centralizes all rules in a single chain. |
| 23:43.34 | nathangg- | sjansen: don't worry, none of that seemed intuitive to me |
| 23:44.15 | bucky | i'm not explaining anything.. but i did illuminate that rh requires - to get the path and nathangg- said he didn't have the space in su - |
| 23:44.25 | sjansen | Thanks to me, you probably have an un-needed rule in your fw config, but it shouldn't cause any problems. |
| 23:44.37 | Maquis | bucky: huh? |
| 23:44.54 | sjansen | a ruler? |
| 23:44.54 | Maquis | i don't see what you illuminated |
| 23:44.58 | Maquis | :) |
| 23:45.15 | bucky | nathangg- bucky: you need a space between the su and the dash (it took me awhile to figure that out) |
| 23:45.53 | sjansen | ah |
| 23:46.04 | Maquis | bucky: the reason for that is that the - is a parameter to su |
| 23:46.19 | bucky | sjansen, so do you want to lecture me some more |
| 23:46.21 | Maquis | su- would have to be a completely separate command |
| 23:46.32 | Maquis | su - would be the same command with - as a parameter |
| 23:47.02 | sjansen | bucky: Sure. You're statement that RH requires it is misleading. All *nix require it. |
| 23:47.42 | bucky | debian doesn't and i don't care how you judge everything |
| 23:47.56 | sjansen | interesting |
| 23:48.04 | Maquis | bucky: what do you mean by "debian doesn't"? |
| 23:48.22 | bucky | Maquis, doesn't require the - |
| 23:48.31 | bucky | The optional argument - may be used to provide an environment similiar to what the user would expect had the user logged in directly. |
| 23:48.38 | Maquis | yes... |
| 23:48.41 | bucky | "optional" |
| 23:48.43 | Maquis | that's the same as for all other *nix |
| 23:48.50 | bucky | no it's not |
| 23:48.54 | Maquis | but it's required to get the same environment variables |
| 23:48.58 | sjansen | oo, bad Debian |
| 23:48.58 | Maquis | like the path and such |
| 23:49.01 | bucky | and it doesn't behave that way |
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| 23:49.16 | sjansen | They've got */sbin in the $PATH of normal users, never noticed that before |
| 23:49.23 | bucky | no.. bad RedHat.. a wanna be unix |
| 23:49.37 | tensai | sjansen: I have. I hate Redhat for it too. |
| 23:49.39 | bucky | that rewrites gnu |
| 23:49.50 | sjansen | You have RH because Debian does something it shouldn't?! |
| 23:50.07 | Maquis | bucky: if other unices behave the way that redhat and gentoo and such behave one way, and debian doesn't, i certainly wouldn't blame redhat... |
| 23:50.19 | sjansen | */sbin has no business in the PATH of normal users. |
| 23:50.23 | tensai | I dislike having to change my path because I use tools from /sbin as a regular user |
| 23:50.40 | bucky | Maquis, well if sjansen wants to get into distro bashing.. |
| 23:50.40 | tensai | imo you're wrong |
| 23:50.41 | Maquis | unless your .bashrc has "alias su='su -', it *shouldn't* behave that way |
| 23:51.03 | bucky | Maquis, tell RMS |
| 23:51.26 | sjansen | In your _opinion_? I haven't noticed a real Unix that put */sbin in the path of normal users. |
| 23:51.58 | sjansen | Maquis: You're a little off the point. The - does more than set $PATH. |
| 23:52.07 | Maquis | it sets a lot of things |
| 23:52.17 | Maquis | but environment variables seem to be the most obvious to me... |
| 23:52.25 | Maquis | what does it set besides env variables? |
| 23:52.30 | sjansen | But all that bucky and tensai care about is $PATH, and because Debian is putting */sbin in their $PATH already, they don't care about the other stuff. |
| 23:53.16 | tensai | sjansen: I also like my DISPLAY, thank you |
| 23:53.23 | tensai | and my ssh agent |
| 23:54.13 | tensai | and HISTCONTROL too I guess |
| 23:54.41 | sjansen | There's not much point in $DISPLAY w/o $XAUTHORITY. |
| 23:54.57 | Maquis | aren't those all env variables? |
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| 23:55.44 | sjansen | You can carry all of those over on RH with a little PAM tweaking. Harder on SUSE. Haven't looked that closesly at Debian yet. |
| 23:56.08 | sjansen | Is still think it's wrong, though. |
| 23:56.31 | sjansen | If you want to preserve so much of your environment, do things the Debian way with sudo. |
| 23:56.51 | sjansen | (At least that seems to be the strong Debian preference from documentation.) |
| 23:57.35 | tensai | technically I prefer to ssh to root. everyone seems to freak out at having remote root turned on. |
| 23:57.36 | sjansen | If y'all want to fly in the face of decades of Unix tradition, I guess that's a point we're never going to agree on. |
| 23:59.02 | bucky | imagine that.. gnu's not unix flying it the face of tradition |
| 23:59.28 | sjansen | bucky: You don't want to get into a snide comments competition. I have incredible stamina if not wit. |
| 23:59.31 | bucky | btw.. send me those printer drivers |
| 23:59.50 | Maquis | ooh! snide comments competition!!! |
| 23:59.53 | Maquis | with sjansen in it!!! |
| 23:59.55 | tensai | you can keep your tradition Tevye |
| 23:59.56 | bucky | sjansen, i'm a fifth generation mormon asshole |