| 00:00.17 | TimRiker | I've done high end stuff before, but I've been on the embedded side for a few years now and still interesting in it. |
| 00:01.23 | TimRiker | with things like the zipit, juicebox, cell phones, etc coming out that are linux based. it's an interesting time for embedded work. |
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| 00:14.55 | levi | TimRiker: I need your brain right now. :) |
| 00:20.28 | levi | Trying to get Linux working correctly on a nios2-based system. It's mostly working now, but it's been a nasty road, and there are still bumps. |
| 00:21.25 | TimRiker | levi: that's uclinux yes? |
| 00:24.41 | TimRiker | ooh. 2 whole hardware interrupts. |
| 00:37.46 | scott_ | how do you spell inconvience? |
| 00:37.59 | tene | inconvenience. |
| 00:39.19 | scott_ | thanks, spellchecker wouldn't recommend it |
| 00:46.54 | Maquis | TimRiker: do you have a favorite website that provides some basic info on embedded programming? |
| 00:48.38 | levi | TimRiker: Yeah, it's got no mmu, which is more of a pain than I suspected it would be. |
| 00:48.42 | TimRiker | ~spell inconvience |
| 00:50.49 | TimRiker | Maquis: not really. linuxdevices.com tracks devices, but actual info is spread all over the place. best to pick up a board and try things. (like a tuxscreen ;-) |
| 00:51.08 | Maquis | mmmk... |
| 00:52.21 | sjansen | TimRiker: You still have tuxscreens left?! |
| 00:52.40 | TimRiker | you can do a lot of learning with software only. try the uclibc buildroot on an x86 out for example. then with uml next and qemu etc. |
| 00:53.01 | TimRiker | sjansen: I have a few that I need to check out and sell the ones that work. |
| 00:53.32 | TimRiker | I just promised 2 to someone, but I probably won't ship them till next week. |
| 00:53.33 | Maquis | cool |
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| 00:55.08 | sjansen | Did you ever get the DSP working? |
| 00:56.29 | levi | Maquis: Playing with UML and/or qemu captures the high-level experience of embedded systems. It's when the software doesn't work as provided on your hardware that things get interesting. :) |
| 00:56.56 | TimRiker | well, you can dial calls and do caller-id etc. to do VoIP you need to add hardware as the signals are not routed correctly. |
| 00:57.08 | levi | TimRiker: Has the Tuxscreen buildroot been maintained, or is it now part of some other thing, or what? |
| 00:57.12 | Maquis | hmmmm... |
| 00:57.42 | sjansen | bummer |
| 00:57.47 | TimRiker | levi: I update it from time to time. I just moved it to 2.6 but the DSP is not tied in there yet. just added the irkbd though. |
| 00:58.09 | levi | I've still got my tuxscreen, but haven't done anything interesting with it. |
| 00:58.18 | TimRiker | touchscreen needs a usb1x00 driver which is a topic of hot debate on linux-arm-kernel lately. |
| 00:58.30 | levi | I get enough embedded systems stuff at work these days. |
| 00:59.09 | TimRiker | sjansen: so add the voip mods. ;-) or get a POST broadband adapter. |
| 00:59.37 | TimRiker | s/POST/POTS/ |
| 01:00.50 | sjansen | hmmmmmmmm, the second option sounds easy enough |
| 01:01.10 | TimRiker | andersee has one and uses it constantly |
| 01:02.06 | TimRiker | no long distance fees for VoIP calls. ;-) though you need to sign up for a gateway service if you expect to call non-VoIP folks too. |
| 01:03.42 | TimRiker | sjansen: well holler if you want one. I'll sell a few more off at the same $99+shipping (about $13 to UT) if you're interested. |
| 01:03.45 | sjansen | Are you still pre-installing the OS? |
| 01:04.07 | TimRiker | if you like. I have a few that already have Linux on them. |
| 01:04.30 | TimRiker | then you don't get to try out inferno first. =/ |
| 01:05.50 | sjansen | ~spell akward |
| 01:06.39 | TimRiker | ibot knows all |
| 01:06.40 | ibot | and don't you forget it |
| 01:08.16 | sjansen | TimRiker: Has anyone tried getting an Orinoco wireless PCMCIA card working with it? |
| 01:08.36 | Maquis | brigham knows more |
| 01:08.52 | Maquis | maquis? |
| 01:08.53 | brigham | maquis is a budding Linux wizard facing distinct challenges on the path to becoming a grey beard. |
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| 01:17.25 | Newsome | That's how it sounded to me! |
| 01:18.56 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:19.31 | scott_ | anyone know what time and where the surplus sale is tomorrow? |
| 01:19.47 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.47 | Newsome | speech synthesizer |
| 01:20.09 | joshc | yeah, i just googled it. i've got some friends of mine that 'read' books that way they d/l from gutenburg |
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| 01:21.28 | tene | mount -t subversionfs <something> /home |
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| 01:25.17 | Newsome | TimRiker: heard you were looking for a job? |
| 01:25.18 | Maquis | joshc: there's someone who speaks cambodian |
| 01:25.37 | Maquis | or i could be a second too late |
| 01:28.13 | goozbach | ok so everyone guess whhere i'm eating tonight |
| 01:28.20 | Maquis | ummm.. |
| 01:28.25 | Maquis | cheesecake factory? |
| 01:28.45 | goozbach | how'd ya guess? :) |
| 01:28.45 | Newsome | Ed Debevics? |
| 01:28.59 | Maquis | goozbach: do you ever check your /msgs? |
| 01:29.00 | Newsome | darn :) |
| 01:39.14 | goozbach | ok this is a first... poor service at a cheesecake factory |
| 01:39.14 | goozbach | :( |
| 01:46.30 | sjansen | goozbach: I don't know. We had pretty poor service the time we ate together in LA. |
| 01:46.56 | sjansen | Waiter was more interested the women next to us, as I remember. |
| 01:48.16 | goozbach | sj it's worse here. |
| 01:49.00 | goozbach | 15 minutes from seated to ordering |
| 01:49.05 | stuporglue | Does anyone know of a Windows SFTP client - preferably easy to use, it's for the sister-in-law. |
| 01:49.35 | goozbach | then the dude does't bring a plate for the bread |
| 01:49.53 | goozbach | then he screws up mt salad |
| 01:50.00 | goozbach | er my |
| 01:50.44 | sjansen | stuporglue: The one you buy from SSH.com is quite nice. You can use it free under certain conditions. |
| 01:51.03 | goozbach | heh heh I sound like a snob |
| 01:53.35 | tensai | stuporglue: filezilla. it's primarily FTP but does SFTP as well. GPL to boot. |
| 01:55.08 | goozbach | putty |
| 01:57.35 | Newsome | WinSCP is pretty nice |
| 01:57.52 | Maquis | putty :) |
| 01:58.11 | Maquis | speaking of which.... doesn't somebody owe me putty??? |
| 01:58.44 | goozbach | heh |
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| 02:02.43 | goozbach | woo that's a lot of text to read on the treo |
| 02:03.41 | goozbach | ouch I just changed to the smaller font |
| 02:04.02 | goozbach | it's like three pixels high |
| 02:05.11 | TimRiker | sjansen: yes. with the 5v hack any pcmcia (non-cardbus) card works. many work at 3.3v unmodified. |
| 02:05.32 | goozbach | I'm all alone in this section of the resturant |
| 02:05.52 | tensai | goozbach: it's probably the odor |
| 02:06.10 | goozbach | yeah I shoould shower |
| 02:06.24 | goozbach | meh... next week |
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| 02:07.03 | TimRiker | Newsome: well, I still have a job, but I'm actively looking around. |
| 02:07.16 | sjansen | TimRiker: Perhaps he discovered that. He doesn't like the fact the ibot logs. |
| 02:07.30 | tensai | yes, that's the case |
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| 02:08.10 | goozbach | muhahaha |
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| 02:08.29 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:08.39 | tensai | ibot does record that you said *something* though |
| 02:09.17 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:09.37 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:09.57 | goozbach | me gets back to his book |
| 02:10.10 | TimRiker | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/20050224.html.gz shows some lines with <PROTECTED> in them. |
| 02:12.26 | goozbach | oh my what a steak! |
| 02:12.36 | goozbach | it was worth the wait |
| 02:13.17 | sjansen | goozbach: Pass me some steak and I'll share my TeX with you. |
| 02:13.18 | goozbach | even if it's gonna take two hours to get back to the hotel |
| 02:15.09 | goozbach | meh I'll stick to writing pdf's using a hex editor |
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| 02:26.53 | goozbach | gotta love this job |
| 02:27.57 | Maquis | mmmmmm leftovers... |
| 02:28.03 | Maquis | byronc: hello! |
| 02:32.28 | byronc | hello |
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| 03:01.09 | byronc | ~lart eclipse |
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| 03:46.06 | levi-laptop | Mmm, lots of spaghetti. |
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| 05:01.33 | scott_ | stuporglue, I use winscp a bit, it's alright.. |
| 05:02.00 | scott_ | anyone know the time or place of the surplus sale tomorrow? |
| 05:02.32 | sjansen | normally B-77, sout-west wing |
| 05:03.38 | Newsome | I thought the next surplus sale was March 1st |
| 05:05.53 | scott_ | SpecialK said it was this friday... |
| 05:07.26 | Maquis | Newsome's right |
| 05:07.43 | Maquis | the original email said friday, but the followup email says march 1 |
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| 06:07.44 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #utah postprocess piglatin |
| 06:07.44 | ibot | Setting postprocess for #utah to 'piglatin'. |
| 06:07.49 | TimRiker | ~weather kslc |
| 06:08.21 | TimRiker | ~slashdot |
| 06:08.33 | TimRiker | stupid bot. =( |
| 06:08.41 | TimRiker | ibot: chanset #utah -postprocess |
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| 06:09.16 | TimRiker | ~1+1 |
| 06:09.17 | ibot | 1+1 is probably 3 for large values of 1 |
| 06:09.24 | TimRiker | weather kslc |
| 06:09.29 | TimRiker | ~weather kslc |
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| 06:14.50 | tensai | findlay: could be either. I've seen both. |
| 06:15.49 | tensai | can you get to the box from remote? do you have the magic sysrq key enabled? |
| 06:16.34 | findlay_ | I was compiling qt and I think gcc hung everything up because it got to the same place as last time when it seemed to become a runaway process |
| 06:16.52 | findlay_ | can't try already hard rebooted (: |
| 06:19.18 | tensai | it doesn't like you |
| 06:19.27 | tensai | nothing personal, I'm sure |
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| 07:04.17 | findlay | Time? Who needs Time? |
| 07:04.32 | findlay | ~lart Maquis |
| 07:04.37 | Maquis | sleep? who needs sleep? |
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| 07:25.01 | Maquis | so, i just had an online quiz for my civ class... |
| 07:25.11 | brailsmt | anyone have experience installing a linux distro on a machine that has a s |
| 07:25.20 | brailsmt | disk formatted for lvm/evms? |
| 07:25.54 | Maquis | there was a true-false question on there that, between the answer and the radio buttons for true and false had this: "Hint: The answer is TRUE" |
| 07:26.21 | Maquis | (every once in a while, the TAs will stick something in there to give everyone a free point... |
| 07:26.41 | Maquis | they can then be heard later in the day discussing the people who missed the question... |
| 07:26.44 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:30.04 | findlay | ~lart Maquis again |
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| 15:23.41 | Maquis | does anybody here use getmail to pop their mail down? |
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| 15:29.47 | ECS | ~lart Maquis |
| 15:33.07 | Maquis | |lart ECS |
| 15:33.16 | Maquis | ~lart ECS |
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| 16:19.46 | beandog | Maquis: yah |
| 16:19.51 | beandog | supah easy. |
| 16:20.06 | beandog | sec |
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| 16:38.44 | Maquis | beandog: i have it working, but it's throwing some errors each time |
| 16:42.08 | vontrapp | how would you do something similar to 'hash.map("$key=$val").join("&")' in php? |
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| 16:48.07 | vontrapp | more specifically, how do i use a regular array map in php? |
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| 16:59.16 | beandog | what errors |
| 16:59.39 | beandog | a regular array map? |
| 16:59.43 | beandog | what are you trying to do vontrapp |
| 17:09.45 | orbit | http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.types.array.php |
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| 17:22.50 | hans | ~lart today |
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| 17:23.38 | hans | frosted |
| 17:23.38 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.40 | hans | if ever |
| 17:23.53 | orbit | frosted |
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| 17:25.24 | levi | Frosted brown-sugar cinnamon pop-tarts. :) |
| 17:25.50 | Bradipo | frosted here |
| 17:26.22 | spr | mmm..frosted strawberry... |
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| 17:26.57 | tensai | non-frosted. too sweet otherwise |
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| 17:27.15 | tensai | all the ever have is non-frosted strawberry. that gets old |
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| 17:27.35 | Bradipo | tensai: Gotta have milk to soften the sweetness though. |
| 17:27.43 | hans | tensai: see, I solve that by not eating pop tarts at all |
| 17:27.52 | Jayce^ | frosted |
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| 17:28.10 | neybar | no thanks on the pop-tart in general |
| 17:28.15 | Bradipo | Actually, I haven't bought poptarts in at least 8 years. |
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| 17:28.57 | neybar | I always want poptarts to be better then it usually turns out actually being. |
| 17:28.57 | Jayce^ | at the store last week, they had 'cookies and cream' and some other super sweet candy one |
| 17:29.02 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:29.14 | Jayce^ | and now they have chocolate lucky charms.. |
| 17:29.20 | Jayce^ | one step closer to calvin and hobbes |
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| 17:30.35 | Jayce^ | PB capn crunch.. |
| 17:30.43 | flyboy^ | The cuts let the sugar reach the blood stream faster. |
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| 17:30.53 | orbit | Jayce^: Ew... |
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| 17:30.55 | Jayce^ | kinda like the fiberglass in skol |
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| 17:30.59 | orbit | crunsh berries much better |
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| 17:31.41 | Jayce^ | remember Nerds cereal? :) |
| 17:32.03 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:32.46 | Jayce^ | so joshc, you ever verify if your leading space does anything? |
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| 17:33.34 | Jayce^ | doesn't show in the logs?? |
| 17:33.47 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.15 | spr | ~logs |
| 17:34.16 | ibot | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 17:35.45 | spr | that sure makes the logs hard to follow |
| 17:35.56 | Jayce^ | yeah |
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| 17:36.51 | spr | you've taken my logs from me (be it that today is the first time i've looked at them) |
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| 17:37.54 | Jayce^ | hey, I'm all about that.. |
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| 17:37.57 | Jayce^ | AMOR |
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| 17:39.34 | orbit | EULA $1k thing? |
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| 17:42.15 | beandog | for the eulas or the product :) |
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| 17:46.00 | Bradipo | I doubt I will ever read a EULA. |
| 17:46.09 | Bradipo | Even knowing that there may be a $1k clause in there. |
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| 17:46.48 | levi | I would someday like to become more familiar with javascript, but probably not guru-level. |
| 17:48.06 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:48.32 | lukfugl|w0rk | joshc: what's the job? |
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| 17:50.12 | lukfugl|w0rk | Is the P of lamp set in stone? |
| 17:50.21 | lukfugl|w0rk | and if so, which P is it? |
| 17:50.40 | levi | It's an interesting language. Prototype-based OO instead of class-based. And it has lexical closures. |
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| 17:50.54 | beandog | I know one joshc |
| 17:50.59 | lukfugl|w0rk | From the sound of it, I couldn't take it (i'm only available for on the side contract work right now, I'm happy with my day job) |
| 17:51.05 | lukfugl|w0rk | but I might know people |
| 17:51.12 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.25 | lukfugl|w0rk | joshc: how about other letters? :) like R |
| 17:51.42 | lukfugl|w0rk | though LAMR isn't such a nice acronym |
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| 17:52.15 | lukfugl|w0rk | given R = ruby, it is thread capable, though admittedly I'm not sure about mod_ruby's threads |
| 17:53.09 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:53.29 | levi | Ruby is an interesting language too. |
| 17:53.32 | byronc | lukfugl|w0rk: think native threads, they just don't exist in Ruby |
| 17:53.42 | lukfugl|w0rk | byronc: ture |
| 17:53.45 | lukfugl|w0rk | erm, true |
| 17:55.18 | jsmith | lukfugl|w0rk: No, yum is written in Python :-) |
| 17:55.26 | lukfugl|w0rk | heh |
| 17:55.42 | byronc | ruby threads are pretty cool, as long as you understand they don't always behave like real threads. |
| 17:55.54 | lukfugl|w0rk | LAMR+AJAX = ideal web environment for me |
| 17:58.13 | levi | I'm planning on doing some toy web stuff with sbcl, which has a native compiler and threads. |
| 17:59.03 | levi | It's Lisp, with a fully interactive REPL, but there's no interpreter. Everything's compiled before it runs. |
| 18:03.00 | lukfugl|w0rk | and for those unfamiliar with the acronym, AJAX = Asynchronous Javascript and XML |
| 18:03.09 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.34 | levi | Seaside does a little bit of dynamic updating of page elements with javascript. Dunno if it qualifies as AJAX, though. |
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| 18:17.45 | levi | You must be. Your grammar is suffering. ;) |
| 18:18.07 | lukfugl|w0rk | "Maquis tired. Need sleepy." |
| 18:20.10 | vontrapp | is using html table markup the best way to generate excel files? |
| 18:20.38 | flyboy^ | hehe |
| 18:20.52 | lukfugl|w0rk | ~lart vontrapp |
| 18:21.07 | Jayce^ | well, in perl there are nice excel modules, that write 'proper' excel workbooks, much better |
| 18:21.15 | Jayce^ | my guess would be $other_language would have them too |
| 18:21.23 | vontrapp | hmm, /me not using perl |
| 18:21.32 | lukfugl|w0rk | vontrapp: describe application? |
| 18:21.42 | Maquis | :) |
| 18:22.09 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.20 | lukfugl|w0rk | ~lart joshc |
| 18:22.41 | Jayce^ | ~lart MBA folks that expect Database functionality from excel |
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| 18:23.04 | joshc | ~lart MBA folks that expect anything |
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| 18:23.56 | beandog | php has a nice excel class |
| 18:24.07 | jsmith | beandog: A nice one? Where? |
| 18:24.09 | jsmith | beandog: I' |
| 18:24.15 | beandog | pear.php.net |
| 18:24.17 | jsmith | beandog: I've seen several bad ones, but never a good one. |
| 18:24.22 | jsmith | beandog: I'll have to check it out |
| 18:24.34 | beandog | Ive got some code if you wanna see it |
| 18:24.35 | beandog | I think. |
| 18:24.54 | beandog | http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.fileformats.spreadsheet-excel-writer.php |
| 18:25.05 | beandog | meh, youll figure it out. :) |
| 18:25.22 | beandog | pear install Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer |
| 18:25.39 | beandog | oops |
| 18:25.42 | beandog | pear install Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer-beta |
| 18:26.16 | levi | Spreadsheets in general are cool apps. I've never bothered to learn any very well, though. :/ |
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| 18:35.54 | vontrapp | beandog: need to get the beta? |
| 18:37.03 | vontrapp | great, no pear Config.php |
| 18:37.17 | vontrapp | what do i need in Config.php? |
| 18:38.11 | vontrapp | nm, i found one |
| 18:38.46 | beandog | do pear upgrade-all while youre at it |
| 18:39.57 | vontrapp | beandog, can i see that code to get me started? |
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| 18:44.50 | lukfugl|w0rk | 'lo minam |
| 18:44.58 | minam | 'lo lukfugl|w0rk |
| 18:46.28 | hans | 'high punks |
| 18:46.42 | beandog | I thought I had some, but I dont. It was all CSV |
| 18:46.47 | beandog | Heres a good start though: http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.fileformats.spreadsheet-excel-writer.intro.php |
| 18:47.13 | lukfugl|w0rk | hans: you doing the hiring? |
| 18:47.48 | hans | yesno |
| 18:47.59 | beandog | are you the middle man? :) |
| 18:48.08 | beandog | the professional consultant |
| 18:48.23 | hans | I'm not involved in the official stuff like actually hiring, dealing with HR, pay negotiation... |
| 18:48.45 | lukfugl|w0rk | but in choosing who gets interviewed? |
| 18:48.50 | hans | but it's basically my decision who as far as the technical expertise goes. |
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| 18:51.25 | hans | vontrapp's curse has rubbed off on me |
| 18:51.41 | beandog | Ive been waiting for some DVDs from Amazon for almost a month now. |
| 18:51.44 | beandog | :C |
| 18:53.47 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
| 18:53.56 | hans | lukfugl|w0rk: that's your own curse, though. |
| 18:54.08 | lukfugl|w0rk | hans: nah, I think I'll blame it on von |
| 18:54.11 | lukfugl|w0rk | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 18:56.16 | bucky | lukfugl|w0rk, did you ever find thunderbird for suse ? |
| 18:57.14 | lukfugl|w0rk | bucky: I haven't worked on it lately |
| 18:57.30 | lukfugl|w0rk | bucky = jamis? |
| 18:57.46 | bucky | apt4rpm has it for suse 9.2... i didnt check for other versions |
| 18:58.12 | vontrapp | ~lart hans |
| 18:58.14 | vontrapp | ~lart lukfugl|w0rk |
| 18:58.36 | vontrapp | ~lart non shipment |
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| 18:59.36 | lukfugl|w0rk | gah, what'd you go and do that for, ibot? |
| 19:00.13 | spr | Anyone know off hand how to best produce a full ldiff output for a backup? |
| 19:00.29 | lukfugl|w0rk | hrm, well, lunch time |
| 19:00.39 | vontrapp | mmm, food |
| 19:03.17 | tensai | spr: slapcat |
| 19:04.49 | spr | thanks |
| 19:05.10 | tensai | ldapsearch -b 'dc=example,dc=com' -LLL >foo.ldif will work too but won't include create and modify timestamps |
| 19:05.24 | tensai | it's also subject to acls which may limit what objects are returned |
| 19:05.37 | spr | that was the problem I was having, thanks |
| 19:05.41 | tensai | slapcat works on the backend database directly and consequently must be run on the ldap server |
| 19:17.37 | hans | http://www.rubyquiz.com/ |
| 19:18.10 | tensai | out of your hair. hah! hey, guys. hans had a pink bow in his hair! |
| 19:18.56 | hans | ~snap tensai |
| 19:19.08 | beandog | heh |
| 19:19.24 | tensai | isn't english great? |
| 19:24.25 | spr | ~praise hardlinks |
| 19:24.27 | ibot | All hail hardlinks! |
| 19:26.02 | tensai | anybody speak latin? |
| 19:26.12 | tensai | pig latin doesn't count, btw |
| 19:26.56 | tensai | ok, nm. I found it. "pace bene" means "peace and all good". |
| 19:30.31 | joshc | i never liked latin class |
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| 19:31.07 | hans | my latin class was Carmina Burana |
| 19:31.15 | hans | combined with learning spanish |
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| 19:33.21 | hans | I just finished Timeline by Crichton. |
| 19:33.41 | JoshH | i just finished disclosure by the same man |
| 19:33.57 | hans | how was it? haven't read that one |
| 19:33.57 | vontrapp | hans: did you have something to do with the rubyquiz page? |
| 19:34.05 | hans | So it seems |
| 19:34.19 | JoshH | it was okay, not quite as good as most of his others |
| 19:34.24 | tensai | speaking of reading, I have read my comics for the day |
| 19:34.36 | hans | I really enjoyed timeline. There was very little swearing, by Crichton standards |
| 19:34.52 | JoshH | timeline was a great book. the movie, not so great. |
| 19:35.07 | hans | probably less in the whole book than the movie. at least less per timeslice |
| 19:35.15 | JoshH | well if you dont like swearing in books, avoid disclosure |
| 19:35.31 | hans | yeah, the movie was ok but not great. the cool scottish accents made it better than it should have been. ;-) |
| 19:35.32 | JoshH | it has some pretty graphic sexual descriptions |
| 19:35.45 | JoshH | very graphic actually |
| 19:36.20 | JoshH | i think the only chrichton book i havent read yet is airframe |
| 19:36.24 | bucky | there's a bookstore here that will mark those sections out with a black marker |
| 19:36.28 | hans | that's a good one |
| 19:36.42 | JoshH | well if you didnt read them, the book wouldnt make a lot of sense though. |
| 19:36.48 | JoshH | its basically about a sexual harassment scandal |
| 19:37.04 | hans | bucky: ok, that really is crazy. sanitizing films you can do it once and apply a template, but to do it to a book... |
| 19:37.35 | bucky | why does KSL pre-empt Saturday Night Live? |
| 19:37.51 | hans | I don't care what my values are, I'd hate to go through the same book repeatedly marking out swear words. worse than reviewing resumes |
| 19:38.04 | tensai | bucky: because it's not funny |
| 19:38.14 | JoshH | it used to be |
| 19:38.18 | bucky | FOX runs MADtv |
| 19:38.33 | Uncle_Jesse | hola |
| 19:38.36 | Uncle_Jesse | TGIF |
| 19:38.56 | tensai | tagged graphic interchange format? |
| 19:39.18 | hans | JoshH: I thought the swearing in prey was over-the-top. I didn't grow up in utah, but maybe I'm still sheltered, but I don't think people really swear quite that much |
| 19:39.40 | JoshH | lol |
| 19:40.19 | JoshH | well, ive personally never been bothered by swearing or anything else like that, so i usually dont even notice it in books. |
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| 19:40.53 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: how did you guess? |
| 19:42.07 | Uncle_Jesse | db design is so boring |
| 19:42.17 | Uncle_Jesse | but very useful when done |
| 19:42.26 | hans | but the story was good. I like thinking about emergent behavior |
| 19:42.29 | tensai | bucky: because it's rated pg and he probably doesn't say it often |
| 19:42.42 | tensai | or does he? I've never seen it. |
| 19:42.48 | hans | is it good? |
| 19:42.53 | hans | it's at the dollar theater |
| 19:42.56 | tensai | "Rated PG for thematic elements, scary situations and brief language" |
| 19:42.57 | Uncle_Jesse | ET is PG and has worse words than that |
| 19:43.07 | hans | ET is from the 80s too |
| 19:43.28 | JoshH | i dont think arse is a strong enough word to warrant higher than a PG anyway, even if he did say it a lot. i could be wrong though. |
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| 19:43.38 | hans | at least not in america. :) |
| 19:43.44 | hans | arse is just funny here |
| 19:43.48 | hans | like bloody |
| 19:43.56 | tensai | I know from the director's commentary on Bourne Identity that you only get 1 F word for PG-13. |
| 19:44.16 | bucky | and what does "fricken" mean ? |
| 19:44.26 | hans | fried chicken? |
| 19:44.29 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.33 | Uncle_Jesse | joshc: depends on the movie. I know many pg13's today that would have been R back then |
| 19:44.48 | tensai | hans: or "shag". apparently that's fairly rude in the UK |
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| 19:45.15 | Uncle_Jesse | I think we've gotten stricter on the language and lighter on the sex |
| 19:45.19 | dataw0lf | a boring rating at that. |
| 19:45.20 | hans | there's a whole list of those. I could dig up the url. some are pretty funny. some make you want to print the list and memorize it before going to the UK |
| 19:45.25 | Uncle_Jesse | over time at least |
| 19:45.44 | dataw0lf | PG-13 means the producers collapsed from pressure from the right and studios to cut out the good stuff. |
| 19:46.13 | tensai | "good" is subjective, now isn't it |
| 19:46.16 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:46.31 | hans | nah, pg-13 means they want to target people who don't like R |
| 19:46.42 | dataw0lf | I guess. |
| 19:46.50 | dataw0lf | they won't allow cursing. |
| 19:47.00 | dataw0lf | but they allow all sorts of 'cartoonish' violence. |
| 19:47.05 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.07 | tensai | dataw0lf: I'm sure that's a common occurance though |
| 19:47.08 | dataw0lf | which, imho, is much, much, much worse. |
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| 19:47.23 | dataw0lf | what was Home Alone rated? |
| 19:47.32 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:48.07 | dataw0lf | it was rated PG. |
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| 19:48.20 | dataw0lf | Home Alone rated PG, you see some of the crap they had in that movie? |
| 19:48.39 | dataw0lf | yet, someone says the 'F word' and they freak out. |
| 19:49.01 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: like what, stepping on nails? |
| 19:49.07 | dataw0lf | I don't see what the difference between the 'F word' and 'Flip' |
| 19:49.10 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.12 | dataw0lf | they both have the same intent. |
| 19:49.26 | hans | dataw0lf: I don't think so |
| 19:49.30 | Uncle_Jesse | oh yeah - you shouldn't drink pepsi or coke, either |
| 19:49.33 | dataw0lf | hans: yes, you're saying it angrily. |
| 19:49.47 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.48 | Uncle_Jesse | flame war! |
| 19:49.49 | hans | dataw0lf: oh I agree they're both expletives |
| 19:49.53 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.56 | dataw0lf | Now, if you have intent on saying something angrily, ie either of the 'F words', I bet 'God' takes em in the same way. |
| 19:49.57 | hans | but you can't just ignore the content |
| 19:49.58 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.06 | dataw0lf | Unless you're going to argue that God speaks English as his primary language. |
| 19:50.26 | dataw0lf | joshc: I wouldn't say flip in front of an elderly person or kid if I was saying it angrily. |
| 19:50.27 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.29 | tensai | speaking of unexplained expletives, http://www.engrish.com/ |
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| 19:50.40 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.43 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 19:50.48 | xbmodder_lappy | whats engrish? |
| 19:50.52 | hans | there's a difference between expleting and saying an expletive with a loaded meaning |
| 19:50.55 | tensai | today's is particularly apropos |
| 19:50.56 | Newsome | haha |
| 19:50.57 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.58 | hans | whether or not you mean it. |
| 19:51.05 | dataw0lf | joshc: I'd say 'Fuck' |
| 19:51.06 | xbmodder_lappy | wasn't it so much more peaceful without me here? |
| 19:51.08 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.14 | dataw0lf | because it would be surprised out of me. |
| 19:51.15 | xbmodder_lappy | dataw0lf, language |
| 19:51.41 | dataw0lf | when I curse out of surprise, I don't have the time to reflect on whether I'm going to say the 'safe' word or not. |
| 19:51.42 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.51 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't want to say either. |
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| 19:51.57 | hans | dataw0lf: odd, I've never had that word surprised out of me. |
| 19:52.13 | Maquis | me neither |
| 19:52.13 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.13 | dataw0lf | well, I wasn't raised in fundamentalist Utah, either. |
| 19:52.18 | hans | nor was I |
| 19:52.18 | Maquis | honestly, i tend to say AAAAIIIGGGH |
| 19:52.19 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.22 | hans | please stop assuming things |
| 19:52.28 | dataw0lf | are you Mormon? |
| 19:52.34 | hans | does it matter? |
| 19:52.39 | tierra|w | yes actually |
| 19:52.40 | dataw0lf | I think it does. |
| 19:52.52 | Maquis | i was raised in seattle |
| 19:52.52 | hans | why? |
| 19:52.52 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.52 | dataw0lf | Because when I moved here it was the first time I had EVER heard the word flip used in that context. |
| 19:52.57 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.05 | dataw0lf | listen, don't get defensive now. |
| 19:53.07 | hans | you're saying I'm a product of my upbringing? I'm not the one who can't control what I say when I get hit with a hammer. |
| 19:53.14 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.14 | Maquis | i had never heard flip used in that sense either... |
| 19:53.24 | hans | I don't use flip either. |
| 19:53.29 | xbmodder_lappy | joshc, us teenagers prolly swear a little too much |
| 19:53.31 | Maquis | i heard the f-word plenty of times growing up... but i never took to saying it |
| 19:53.33 | Maquis | i don't use flip.. |
| 19:53.38 | hans | I say ouch when I get hit with a hammer. or just scream a non-word. scares my wife to death. |
| 19:53.44 | dataw0lf | hans: ok, you're telling me that you can control what you say when you get hit by a hammer? |
| 19:53.50 | hans | yes |
| 19:53.51 | hans | can't you? |
| 19:53.51 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.56 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.57 | dataw0lf | cause if you're at the next SLLUG meeting I'll bring a hammer and we'll see. |
| 19:53.58 | Maquis | i just usually keep my mouth shut |
| 19:54.02 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.07 | Maquis | dataw0lf: it's not hard to control what you say |
| 19:54.19 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.26 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: you're supposed to say "yay yay, nay nay" |
| 19:54.26 | dataw0lf | discipline? |
| 19:54.35 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.38 | dataw0lf | I didn't know I was 'supposed' to say anything. |
| 19:54.39 | hans | like spelling |
| 19:54.50 | hans | ;-) |
| 19:55.13 | Maquis | if you constantly type a particular word wrong, you just need to discipline yourself to type it correctly |
| 19:55.14 | tierra|w | it's not about the sound that comes out your mouth, it's about the context and feeling behind it... I will swear in front of my kids to teach them the appropriate time and place for it... it's only stupid when some idiot is in the habit of saying it every other word |
| 19:55.18 | dataw0lf | bbiam, I need a cigarette and need to scream expletives at the sky for a moment. |
| 19:55.19 | Maquis | it's the same thing for changing other behaviour |
| 19:55.30 | xbmodder_lappy | i never use flip tho i say f*ck alot... alot... |
| 19:55.49 | hans | why does that not surprise me? |
| 19:56.28 | xbmodder_lappy | heh |
| 19:56.32 | Maquis | gah!!! |
| 19:56.40 | Maquis | where is that email |
| 19:56.40 | Uncle_Jesse | yowsers!!! |
| 19:56.41 | Maquis | ? |
| 19:56.59 | xbmodder_lappy | i swear alot... thanks to #utah i have started swearing less. go #utah! |
| 19:57.07 | vontrapp | hans: amen on the loaded meaning statement. I'll have to remember that next time I hear "they're both the same" |
| 19:57.51 | hans | like the grammar nazis on /. that will turn around and use the f word where it has absolutely no semantic meaning. |
| 19:58.17 | dataw0lf | so, I guess the real question is, does cursing mean you're going to Hell? |
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| 19:58.39 | mrpull | hrrrmmmm.... what am I missing here. |
| 19:58.47 | tierra|w | dataw0lf, don't worry about it, I have front row seats saved |
| 19:58.55 | dataw0lf | tierra|w: ALL ABOARD! |
| 19:58.55 | vontrapp | on my mission some would say just that, and I'd say, well, would you rather the real word be said, and they say, "um, no, but it's the same thing" |
| 19:59.05 | mrpull | rpmbuild -ba --define with_oci8 php.spec |
| 19:59.10 | mrpull | leads to: |
| 19:59.19 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.20 | mrpull | error: Macro %with_oci8 has empty body |
| 19:59.47 | JoshH | frick, flip, fudge, shiz, and schneikey were all common among the mormon kids i went to school with. |
| 19:59.48 | dataw0lf | joshc: apparently, you should meet my grandad. |
| 19:59.56 | Maquis | i don't think i've ever even heard my parents say "dang"... either of them... |
| 20:00.03 | hans | dataw0lf: I think there are usually more effective hash functions |
| 20:00.06 | Maquis | and my dad hammered his thumbnail off once |
| 20:00.17 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:00.18 | dataw0lf | my Mom swears like a sailor. |
| 20:00.41 | dataw0lf | I doubt if that her cursing has affected her personal growth or made her 'evil'. |
| 20:00.58 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.08 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.10 | tierra|w | it's pathetic that Utah comes down to a group of people that just want to separate themselves from the rest of the world, and make up something stupid like watching your language (especially in a place like this) because they'd decided to _let_ it offend them... you just want something to be offended at, you hate me worse than I hate you |
| 20:01.26 | dataw0lf | joshc: Nah, she wouldn't. |
| 20:01.42 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.47 | Uncle_Jesse | tierra|w: we love everybody here |
| 20:01.55 | dataw0lf | joshc: The virgin mary? No, she wouldn't. |
| 20:01.59 | dataw0lf | joshc: She's not religious. |
| 20:02.02 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.11 | hans | or wish she had |
| 20:02.15 | neybar | lol |
| 20:02.16 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.21 | dataw0lf | joshc: The only time she'd watch her language is in a professional setting. |
| 20:02.21 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.31 | dataw0lf | Yeah, that's true. |
| 20:02.31 | hans | tierra|w: I'm glad you feel separated. our mission is accomplished. |
| 20:02.41 | JoshH | tierra|w: basically, we have this divide here between the dominant culture and the rest of us. basically they want us to respect the laws that reflect their religion, and we want to have the same laws as nevada. neither group likes compromising. so anyway, discussions about swearing tend to end up like this. :) |
| 20:02.42 | dataw0lf | I doubt if anyone here has stood in front of Jesus though. |
| 20:02.44 | dataw0lf | Unless you were on acid. |
| 20:02.47 | Uncle_Jesse | tierra|w: we still love you |
| 20:03.11 | dataw0lf | The day Jesus walks into my house to have a cup of coffee, guys, I'll watch my language. |
| 20:03.12 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.20 | JoshH | but we all get along, most of the time. :) |
| 20:03.21 | Maquis | honestly, i believe that the lesser words are better than the originals, but i wouldn't want to say either set in front of my children (or other people's children)... |
| 20:03.23 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: we will all stand in front of Jesus some day |
| 20:03.30 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.31 | Maquis | i think that those words bring to mind the ones that they are replacing... |
| 20:03.42 | Maquis | and so, i've worked to prevent myself from saying anything of the type |
| 20:03.49 | dataw0lf | joshc: When I stand in front of christ, I'll apologize for the list of curses I've uttered he's surely compiled. |
| 20:04.01 | dataw0lf | I'm sure he has nothing better to do. |
| 20:04.03 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.13 | tierra|w | hans, I especially like how you speak up for the church as if you represent them, and tell me stuff I know more than half the LDS population doesn't believe (I was raised mormon) |
| 20:04.14 | neybar | I think the point is less whether or not Jesus will be in your living room anywhere in the near future, and more that at some point everyone is going to show some person respect by not swearing around them. |
| 20:04.18 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.23 | JoshH | honestly, i think profane words do serve a purpose in language, and that is to express very strong feelings or certain emotions. i dont think that $deity really cares about it. |
| 20:04.31 | tierra|w | thanks Uncle_Jesse |
| 20:04.41 | hans | tierra|w: please point out where I've said anything about the church in this discussion |
| 20:05.05 | dataw0lf | neybar: Oh, I agree on that. But that has nothing to do with religion. It's just an expectation in our current society. |
| 20:05.06 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.19 | dataw0lf | I certainly don't curse around people who I know don't want to hear it. |
| 20:05.20 | Maquis | tierra|w: whether or not half the LDS population actually acts upon something doesn't determine whether the church holds it as true |
| 20:05.54 | dataw0lf | I thought everything the church held as 'true' was buried in some mountain. |
| 20:05.55 | Maquis | dataw0lf: that's good... |
| 20:06.20 | dataw0lf | I'm just throwing that out there cause that's what I thought. |
| 20:06.26 | tierra|w | hans, you weren't, I was, and you answered reguarding my statements about the church... correct me if you didn't honestly understand what I was saying, I understand you can't be bothered to actually take time to think about something someone besides yourself says |
| 20:06.27 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: no, we keep it in our horns |
| 20:06.33 | dataw0lf | I know for sure they got the BY letters regarding the Mountain Meadow Massacre. |
| 20:06.35 | hans | tierra|w: I'm not interested in arguing. As I see it from your statements, you have an axe to grind with the church or Utahns in general. I don't much care, but I do welcome you here as we (normally) do not exist to talk about the church or swearing or anything else. |
| 20:06.58 | Maquis | dataw0lf: no... we believe that there are some things in scriptures, and we also believe that revelation continues to come to man today |
| 20:07.14 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.15 | hans | my only concern on the point of swearing is that I don't like to hear it, and if someone cares what I like they won't swear in front of me. If they don't care, then they don't care. |
| 20:07.22 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 20:07.27 | Maquis | i'm with hans on that last point |
| 20:07.36 | xbmodder_lappy | rm -rf 'this conversation' |
| 20:07.42 | Uncle_Jesse | we love hans too |
| 20:07.48 | tensai | mrpull: I've only ever heard bad things about php and oracle |
| 20:07.56 | dataw0lf | certainly, respect has alot to do with it. My original argument was in the context of violence is worse than swearing. |
| 20:07.59 | mrpull | you've got that right. |
| 20:08.03 | mrpull | it is a pain in the neck |
| 20:08.08 | Maquis | if people don't have the respect to hold back their swearing around me, then i choose not to spend as much time with them |
| 20:08.20 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: I think it all depends on the person |
| 20:08.30 | Uncle_Jesse | as to what is worse to them personally |
| 20:08.40 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.44 | mrpull | rpmbuild -ba --define "with_oci8 1" php.spec |
| 20:08.47 | mrpull | was the trick |
| 20:08.48 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.51 | JoshH | and dataw0lf, i do think that is a good point. its funny how in american culture, violence is fine and dandy, but sex is not. in europe, its the exact opposite. every culture just gets offended over different things. |
| 20:08.52 | hans | joshc: LUG meetings |
| 20:09.02 | dataw0lf | Uncle_Jesse: Certainly. It's part of social interaction to be able to derive what they expect insofar as respect is concerned. |
| 20:09.12 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.14 | dataw0lf | JoshH: Agreed. |
| 20:09.20 | xbmodder_lappy | what ever happened to the pictures of the LUG meetings? |
| 20:09.31 | JoshH | the best thing to do is just be laid back and not get offended about anything. :) |
| 20:09.39 | mrpull | i wrestled to get the redhat provided srpms to work with oracle 9i client libs only to find there is a bug in the version of PHP they were packaging |
| 20:09.40 | hans | JoshH, dataw0lf: I agree that emphasis is wrongly placed by many people and especially the ratings |
| 20:09.57 | dataw0lf | heh, well I can't help but get offended where violence is concerned. |
| 20:10.02 | mrpull | i just started over with RHEL 4, Oracle 10g, and the stock RH PHP SRPM |
| 20:10.08 | mrpull | hopefully life will be better soon. |
| 20:10.17 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.18 | hans | dataw0lf: why? |
| 20:10.21 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.24 | dataw0lf | if anyone experienced any real violence they'd be more apt to agree that swearing is peanuts comparatively. |
| 20:10.25 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.35 | dataw0lf | hans: because I've had some ultraviolent experiences. |
| 20:10.51 | Uncle_Jesse | JoshH: I had a companion of mine get sent home from my mession because I took your theory too seriously |
| 20:10.53 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah but violence is 'R' and nudity is PG-13 |
| 20:10.56 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.03 | Maquis | violence, nudity, swearing, etc |
| 20:11.07 | dataw0lf | ultraviolent as in Afghanistan and Iraq. |
| 20:11.22 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.22 | Uncle_Jesse | He and the maid got a little too close in another room when I thought to trust him |
| 20:11.42 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.45 | xbmodder_lappy | joshc, can you stop leaving a space? |
| 20:11.52 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.57 | *** part/#utah tierra|w (~tierra@dsl093-225-126.slc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 20:11.57 | JoshH | there is also a difference between swearing, violence, and nudity, and gratuitous violence, swearing, and nudity. for example, the halle berry boob shot in swordfish was completely different from the nudity in schindlers list. |
| 20:12.04 | hans | and it's your opinion that violence has more damage to society than swearing or sex? that's fair enough |
| 20:12.08 | Maquis | Uncle_Jesse: did you report them? |
| 20:12.15 | Maquis | or did you have a good excuse for not reporting it? |
| 20:12.15 | dataw0lf | hans: certainly. |
| 20:12.18 | Maquis | (ie, not realizing it) |
| 20:12.20 | Maquis | ? |
| 20:12.20 | xbmodder_lappy | it annoys me |
| 20:12.28 | JoshH | well, swearing doesnt actually harm anyone, violence does |
| 20:12.32 | Uncle_Jesse | joshc, Maquis: I had no idea it was going on. I would have stopped it the minute I knew about it |
| 20:12.35 | JoshH | sex, it depends |
| 20:12.39 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:12.43 | dataw0lf | well, obviously rape is right out. |
| 20:12.44 | Maquis | Uncle_Jesse: just curious :) |
| 20:12.51 | dataw0lf | But I don't see sex as having a bad effect on anyone. |
| 20:12.54 | Uncle_Jesse | I didn't find out until after he transferred and confessed |
| 20:12.57 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.00 | JoshH | obviously teenagers shouldnt be getting pregnant, and people shouldnt be getting raped |
| 20:13.04 | dataw0lf | demonization of sex is another thing I have a problem with. |
| 20:13.13 | JoshH | but i dont see why all sex and nudity has to be considered evil. |
| 20:13.20 | xbmodder_lappy | joshc, so wait... you leave a space to throw off loggers? |
| 20:13.26 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.28 | dataw0lf | well, I have an issue with making teenagers feel evil because they masturbate. |
| 20:13.37 | Uncle_Jesse | needless to say I was devastated and learned my lesson not to be too laid back about sticking with your companion |
| 20:13.41 | Maquis | dataw0lf: i wouldn't say that sex itself is wrong... i think that in inappropriate instances, it is, though |
| 20:13.52 | dataw0lf | Maquis: that can be said about anything. |
| 20:13.56 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.59 | dataw0lf | sex is supposed to be fun, though. |
| 20:14.21 | dataw0lf | if you're missing out on that, you're probably going to be slapped upside the head by Jesus when you get up to.. whereever. |
| 20:14.22 | Uncle_Jesse | oh brother - here goes another flame war |
| 20:14.31 | JoshH | lol |
| 20:14.38 | dataw0lf | flame war? |
| 20:14.42 | dataw0lf | only if you think sex isn't fun. |
| 20:14.43 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah, the only reason we masterbate is because our parents wont let us have sex. |
| 20:14.49 | JoshH | well unfortunately i have to miss this scintillating conversation, as its time for lunch. |
| 20:14.55 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: keep in mind what channel you're in |
| 20:15.15 | dataw0lf | Uncle_Jesse: as far as what? Saying sex is fun? if that offends somebody, ok. |
| 20:15.21 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.52 | JoshH | in my experience, the typical utahn doesnt enjoy these kind of arguments, and they do tend to get killed off quickly. |
| 20:15.57 | JoshH | but oh well |
| 20:15.59 | hans | you can only attack the dominant culture in so many ways at one time without them getting tired of it, eh? ;-) |
| 20:16.03 | JoshH | its a dead horse anyway |
| 20:16.10 | JoshH | nobody is going to change their opinions |
| 20:16.22 | hans | nobdoy's gonna change thier minds by arguing on IRC. so it's pointless |
| 20:16.24 | dataw0lf | I'm still confused! Opinion on what?? Sex isn't fun? |
| 20:16.32 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.34 | dataw0lf | if that's your position, grab it. |
| 20:16.35 | JoshH | hans: do you consider it an attack on your culture, or a reasonable debate? |
| 20:16.35 | *** join/#utah byronc (~byron@208.186.180.204) |
| 20:16.36 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: you can decide that for yourself |
| 20:16.58 | dataw0lf | ok, hehe, I'll stop now, I'm just shocked noone can admit to 'sex is fun'. |
| 20:17.01 | Newsome | byronc: you may want to turn around and walk back out of the channel. :) |
| 20:17.05 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.13 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.15 | hans | dataw0lf: I don't think anyone is going to disagree with you |
| 20:17.15 | *** join/#utah optikal (~optikal@67-40-118-81.slkc.uswest.net) |
| 20:17.21 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf: sex is a bit more sacred for some of us married people |
| 20:17.22 | xbmodder_lappy | dataw0lf, i don't think enough #utah-nians have experienced it. |
| 20:17.35 | dataw0lf | xbmodder_lappy: that sounds about right. |
| 20:17.42 | JoshH | no they have |
| 20:17.43 | hans | JoshH: neither |
| 20:17.44 | optikal | Sex is awesome. =) |
| 20:17.45 | dataw0lf | Uncle_Jesse: but it's still FUN! |
| 20:17.48 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.03 | JoshH | hans: heh, good answer. im starting to agree. anyway, im off for lunch. |
| 20:18.10 | optikal | and remember who made it feel as good as it does, too. =) |
| 20:18.10 | dataw0lf | I'm not saying having sex with everyone you meet is fun. |
| 20:18.22 | dataw0lf | I'm saying 'sex is fun'. |
| 20:18.27 | *** join/#utah veruus (~veruus@wsip-68-110-129-173.ga.at.cox.net) |
| 20:18.27 | dataw0lf | How about 'monogamous sex is fun' |
| 20:18.37 | optikal | hehe there ya go =) |
| 20:18.40 | JoshH | ok |
| 20:18.42 | dataw0lf | cause that's what I have. |
| 20:18.47 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.51 | dataw0lf | and it's FUN.. gosh darn it.. |
| 20:18.52 | optikal | well, i have that.. and then a little bit, but yah =) |
| 20:19.07 | JoshH | sex with the person you married in the temple, for the purpose of having a child, is an absolute blast of fun. there, that is all. |
| 20:19.27 | JoshH | now i must eat |
| 20:19.29 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.31 | hans | I think eating is fun. someone disagree with me. ;-) |
| 20:19.33 | vontrapp | sex is not evil, rather it is sacred, which is why debasing it in media is not good |
| 20:19.45 | veruus | sex is awesome! |
| 20:19.48 | *** part/#utah Maquis (~Maquis@byu074961wks.rn.byu.edu) |
| 20:19.48 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.53 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.55 | *** part/#utah joshc (~josh@jcoates.org) |
| 20:20.03 | Uncle_Jesse | okay - I need to shutup now |
| 20:20.04 | levi | hans: Eating is a terrible burden. It makes me want more food, and fancier food, and more delicious food. |
| 20:20.55 | *** join/#utah SpecialK (~chatzilla@128.187.254.128) |
| 20:20.56 | levi | hans: It distracts me from holier things. I wish I didn't ever get hungry and have to eat! |
| 20:21.12 | Uncle_Jesse | eating is very fun |
| 20:21.22 | dataw0lf | while having sex? |
| 20:21.22 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, true dat for the first one |
| 20:21.30 | *** part/#utah spr (~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu) |
| 20:21.33 | hans | It's all levi that's how I feel about sleep |
| 20:21.44 | xbmodder_lappy | dataw0lf, thats sick... and in certain ways excepted in society |
| 20:21.47 | *** join/#utah sjansen (~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 20:22.03 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen! |
| 20:22.03 | hans | ~lart RHEL |
| 20:22.06 | hans | ~lart gentoo |
| 20:22.08 | Uncle_Jesse | perfect time to join |
| 20:22.11 | vontrapp | good afternoon sjansen, let's talk about TeX |
| 20:22.15 | Uncle_Jesse | lol |
| 20:22.16 | hans | LOL |
| 20:22.22 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart hans for larting gentoo |
| 20:22.32 | levi | hans: Food, Sleep, Sex. I think we've covered all our base desires now. |
| 20:22.34 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart hans for larting gentoo |
| 20:22.43 | mrpull | i'll second the RHEL larting |
| 20:22.43 | Uncle_Jesse | how about linux? |
| 20:22.55 | Uncle_Jesse | i'll third it |
| 20:23.00 | Uncle_Jesse | and I'm a fedora user |
| 20:23.07 | optikal | eww |
| 20:23.31 | mrpull | i build a "lab" box this morning and had to do the cd shuffle to meet the RPM deps. |
| 20:23.33 | mrpull | what a PITA |
| 20:23.36 | hans | levi: you forgot coding. |
| 20:23.42 | veruus | rpm is horrid |
| 20:23.46 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull: you use cd's for rpm deps? |
| 20:23.49 | sjansen | vontrapp: actually, today's been an iptables day |
| 20:23.53 | Uncle_Jesse | I just use apt |
| 20:23.54 | sjansen | the reprise has been nice |
| 20:23.58 | optikal | veruus: couldnt agree more |
| 20:24.02 | hans | it worked. all I had to do was lart rhel and gentoo |
| 20:24.03 | mrpull | it's a one-off box |
| 20:24.06 | Uncle_Jesse | but that's on my home machine |
| 20:24.15 | mrpull | (well done hans) |
| 20:24.18 | levi | hans: Well, coding is a higher level desire. It's a desire of the mind, not the body. |
| 20:24.27 | dataw0lf | says you. |
| 20:24.35 | mrpull | i'm not going to subscribe to RHN right on this box |
| 20:24.38 | dataw0lf | you obviously don't splitscreen porn. |
| 20:24.44 | vontrapp | sjansen: just trying for a subtle subject change |
| 20:24.54 | Uncle_Jesse | on fedora you don't have to subscribe - that's why I lart RHEL |
| 20:25.18 | mrpull | on a production box with oracle... RHEL is a must :-( |
| 20:27.21 | levi | C'mon, I'm trying to pan ascetiscism here. |
| 20:27.49 | Uncle_Jesse | mrpull: agreed |
| 20:27.53 | optikal | dataw0lf: i do |
| 20:27.59 | optikal | pornISlife |
| 20:28.05 | Uncle_Jesse | although Novell is starting to offer the same type of Oracle support |
| 20:28.05 | dataw0lf | optikal: I know you do. |
| 20:28.32 | mrpull | suse may be in my future |
| 20:28.51 | sjansen | optikal, dataw0lf, perhaps others: Be careful or you'll make yourselves unwelcome here. |
| 20:29.02 | optikal | sjansen: and that would just totally ruin my day. |
| 20:29.13 | dataw0lf | yeah, I'm definitely going to a sllug meeting now. |
| 20:29.17 | optikal | Lets do |
| 20:29.24 | dataw0lf | it should be loltastic. |
| 20:29.30 | optikal | oh agreed |
| 20:29.42 | dataw0lf | remember to bring the flame retardant suits. |
| 20:29.55 | optikal | oooh.. that sound quite fun.. *check* |
| 20:29.58 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf, optikal: why are you in #utah? |
| 20:30.05 | optikal | Uncle_Jesse: cause i typed /join #utah |
| 20:30.07 | optikal | why are you in #utah? |
| 20:30.16 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm from Utah |
| 20:30.18 | dataw0lf | I live in Utah now and subscribe the sllug mailing list. |
| 20:30.22 | Uncle_Jesse | but live in VA |
| 20:30.28 | Uncle_Jesse | well, I've lived in Utah |
| 20:30.29 | optikal | I'm from Utah, and I live in Utah. |
| 20:30.41 | veruus | FL |
| 20:30.43 | veruus | :) |
| 20:30.46 | sjansen | dataw0lf, optikal: There are standard of behavior that make this an enjoyable channel to be part of. |
| 20:30.47 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf, optikal: that would be good reason |
| 20:30.47 | veruus | used to live there though |
| 20:30.47 | dataw0lf | I'm from Chicago, but I've been in Utah for about.. hm, 7 months. |
| 20:30.58 | optikal | Uncle_Jesse: I definately agree. |
| 20:31.01 | sjansen | If you want a different atmosphere, you can got elsewhere. |
| 20:31.12 | sjansen | You've made some of our members feel uncomfortable. |
| 20:31.13 | dataw0lf | sjansen: Ok, I won't say the p word anymore. |
| 20:31.26 | optikal | sjansen: uncomfortable? lets just shield everyone from the real world why dont we |
| 20:31.40 | levi | Mocking people's moral standards isn't nice. |
| 20:31.48 | optikal | levi: whos moral standars have i mocked? |
| 20:31.49 | sjansen | Believe it or not, there are females on this channel and you've made it a hostile environment for them. Although just because I'm male that doesn't mean I should be subjected to it either. |
| 20:31.50 | dataw0lf | I don't think I ever mocked. |
| 20:31.53 | optikal | i said i love sex and porn... thats all. |
| 20:32.03 | Uncle_Jesse | dataw0lf, optikal: how old are both of you? None of the people I've grown up with in the real world act like this. |
| 20:32.12 | dataw0lf | act like what?? |
| 20:32.17 | optikal | exactly. |
| 20:32.18 | sjansen | immature |
| 20:32.21 | SpecialK | If we wanted to listen to kiddies, and l33tsp34k, we would have gone to a different channel. |
| 20:32.24 | dataw0lf | I said I loved sex earlier. |
| 20:32.26 | Uncle_Jesse | ditto sjansen |
| 20:32.26 | optikal | immature? not really.. i would just say 'experienced' |
| 20:32.27 | veruus | dude, there's like a whole channel like these two |
| 20:32.31 | veruus | 40-50 |
| 20:32.33 | veruus | ;D |
| 20:32.37 | optikal | yeah.. its rad =) |
| 20:32.43 | dataw0lf | well, several channels. |
| 20:32.48 | sjansen | veruus: And you're welcome to go there instead. |
| 20:32.48 | veruus | a bit silly sometimes |
| 20:32.53 | dataw0lf | I think #hektik has more members than #utah does. |
| 20:32.55 | optikal | sjansen: you want to come over? |
| 20:32.59 | optikal | sjansen: its lots of fun. |
| 20:33.10 | veruus | sjansen: I'm just watching - I don't think I've mentioned my pornography viewing habits so far |
| 20:33.11 | veruus | :) |
| 20:33.15 | dataw0lf | I don't remember trying to offend anyone. |
| 20:33.17 | SpecialK | There are thousands of channels, if that's what you want to talk about, find one where it's appreciated. |
| 20:33.20 | Uncle_Jesse | optikal, dataw0lf: you never answered my question - how old are each of you? |
| 20:33.21 | dataw0lf | Or mocking. |
| 20:33.23 | optikal | veruus: oh lets not. =) make dataw0lf and i feel at shame |
| 20:33.26 | veruus | shush |
| 20:33.27 | dataw0lf | Uncle_Jesse: 22. |
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| 20:33.30 | optikal | Uncle_Jesse: 20 |
| 20:33.41 | optikal | Since its sharing time, your turn. =) |
| 20:33.42 | veruus | punk kids |
| 20:33.43 | veruus | :P |
| 20:33.44 | Uncle_Jesse | okay - all makes sense then |
| 20:33.53 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm young too - 28 |
| 20:33.59 | optikal | Thats old. |
| 20:34.06 | dataw0lf | omgz u r so old! |
| 20:34.11 | optikal | haha |
| 20:34.12 | dataw0lf | SpecialK: there's your 1337 speak, bud. |
| 20:34.22 | optikal | dataw0lf: you do it so well. it intimidates me |
| 20:34.34 | dataw0lf | It's the immature element. |
| 20:34.46 | dataw0lf | stemming from me 'mocking' people, apparently. |
| 20:34.48 | optikal | got to love that from time to time. =) |
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| 20:35.18 | hans | ok, everyone take 5 |
| 20:35.32 | sjansen | dataw0lf, optikal, veruus: The point is, act like gentleman. |
| 20:35.45 | sjansen | dataw0lf, optikal, veruus:You've been told that such comments aren't welcome here. |
| 20:35.47 | optikal | sjansen: and how does a gentleman act, if i mask ask? |
| 20:35.53 | sjansen | dataw0lf, optikal, veruus: Respect the community or leave. |
| 20:36.06 | dataw0lf | sjansen: I'm sorry, I haven't made any comments, I'm just wondering why you think we're mocking values. |
| 20:36.30 | veruus | sjansen: I'm not doing anything |
| 20:36.34 | vontrapp | dataw0lf: it's not so much you as optikal |
| 20:36.45 | optikal | oh... im the trouble maker of the group. |
| 20:37.01 | vontrapp | for example: 13:33 < optikal> sjansen: you want to come over? |
| 20:37.01 | vontrapp | 13:33 < optikal> sjansen: its lots of fun. |
| 20:37.04 | dataw0lf | well, don't go throwing me in with that crazy fool. |
| 20:37.07 | optikal | and what is it i have directly done, besides express personal interests? if people don't wish to read my interests, theres a /ignore command. |
| 20:37.13 | optikal | vontrapp: i cannot invite someone over to another channel? hmmph? |
| 20:37.20 | vontrapp | it's the context |
| 20:37.38 | dataw0lf | and that hmmph was totally out of context, dude. |
| 20:37.42 | optikal | vontrapp: i know what it is, but if someone finds that offense... well, ill just say.. they're quite sheltered. |
| 20:37.43 | lukfugl|w0rk | optikal: you are baiting and trolling. You cannot dispute that |
| 20:37.46 | dataw0lf | it's supposed to be hmmm.. or maybe hrmm |
| 20:37.49 | lukfugl|w0rk | both those actions are unwelcome |
| 20:37.54 | sjansen | optikal: You knew you were mocking. |
| 20:38.02 | optikal | sjansen: but was i really, that you dont know.. |
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| 20:38.16 | optikal | sjansen: it could have just been a open armed jesture.. as far as you really know. |
| 20:38.25 | veruus | no, you're trolling |
| 20:38.25 | veruus | :) |
| 20:38.27 | dataw0lf | sjansen: c'mon now, you are baiting and trolling. |
| 20:38.29 | optikal | veruus: shut up |
| 20:38.32 | veruus | :D |
| 20:38.34 | optikal | =) |
| 20:38.37 | dataw0lf | err s/sjansen/optikal |
| 20:38.39 | veruus | bad optikal |
| 20:38.40 | vontrapp | optikal: why did you invite him to the channel? because it's contrary to his values that you are poking fun at |
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| 20:39.18 | hans | I said take 5 |
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| 20:44.10 | mrpull | ok. back on topic. |
| 20:44.13 | hans | ok, five minutes are up. ding ding. now I'll just kick people who can't be civilized. |
| 20:44.20 | *** mode/#utah [-m] by hans |
| 20:44.28 | veruus | :) |
| 20:44.28 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 20:44.28 | veruus | I'm good |
| 20:44.46 | mrpull | this rpm is killing me |
| 20:44.49 | dataw0lf | heh, I was / am good. |
| 20:44.53 | veruus | liar |
| 20:44.55 | veruus | ;p |
| 20:44.57 | mrpull | there is a macro in the spec file |
| 20:44.58 | mrpull | %define with_oci8 %{?_with_oci8:1}%{!?_with_oci8:0} |
| 20:45.22 | mrpull | what is the syntax to enable with_oci8 with rpmbuild? |
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| 20:45.37 | mrpull | something has changed since the last time I did this |
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| 20:46.51 | sjansen | mrpull: Give me a moment. |
| 20:47.02 | dataw0lf | mrpull: --define="with_oci8 1" or something. |
| 20:47.30 | sjansen | There we go, that sounds right. |
| 20:47.43 | dataw0lf | not sure, I haven't built an rpm in ages. |
| 20:47.47 | sjansen | Alternatively -D with_oci8 |
| 20:48.00 | sjansen | Alternatively -D with_oci8=1? |
| 20:48.07 | mrpull | I tried --define... I'll try the -D |
| 20:48.32 | dataw0lf | it'd probably be with_oci8 without the 1, I think. |
| 20:48.35 | dataw0lf | not sure. |
| 20:48.41 | dataw0lf | (for -D) |
| 20:49.22 | mrpull | if I take all of the conditionals out of the spec file, it works... |
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| 20:49.36 | mrpull | but I don't want to modify the spec file |
| 20:50.07 | sjansen | perhaps --define "with_oci8 1"? |
| 20:50.23 | sjansen | oops, that's what dataw0lf already said |
| 20:50.28 | mrpull | i'm not sure it a = is needed |
| 20:50.33 | dataw0lf | I think it is. |
| 20:50.46 | mrpull | ok. rock. I'll try again. thanks all. |
| 20:51.10 | dataw0lf | np. |
| 20:51.14 | mrpull | in the past the build would crap out and tell me what failed. |
| 20:51.30 | mrpull | today it is just building the whole packages (except the oci stuff I really need) |
| 20:52.04 | mrpull | i should know better than to play with RHEL 4 so early |
| 20:52.05 | dataw0lf | what are you building with oracle support, anyways? |
| 20:52.24 | mrpull | php |
| 20:52.30 | dataw0lf | ah, cool. |
| 20:52.41 | dataw0lf | never used PHP with Oracle before. |
| 20:53.29 | mrpull | grr... checking for Oracle-ORACLE support... no |
| 20:54.45 | mrpull | i could use my modified spec file... but it is a matter of principle now. |
| 20:55.21 | dataw0lf | heh, I know that feeling. |
| 20:55.49 | sjansen | mrpull: Could you put the spec file on paste.lisp.org? |
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| 20:56.06 | mrpull | sure |
| 20:57.00 | orbit | mrpull: Make sure $ORACLE_HOME is set in your env. Usually when you build things against Oracle (e.g., DBD::Oracle) the build likes to have ORACLE_HOME set. |
| 20:57.08 | mrpull | it is. |
| 20:59.35 | dataw0lf | http://people.zeelandnet.nl/marco/pimpzilla/ |
| 21:00.06 | dataw0lf | anyone know much about gmrs radios? |
| 21:00.14 | mrpull | http://paste.lisp.org/display/6112 |
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| 21:00.23 | hans | those XP titlebars are way out of place there |
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| 21:00.36 | sjansen | dataw0lf: oh my |
| 21:00.50 | sjansen | makes me want to buy chrome rims |
| 21:00.58 | dataw0lf | hehe. |
| 21:01.26 | dataw0lf | hey, if I can't bling bling myself, at least my browser can be bling bling. |
| 21:02.03 | jnielsendotnet | you're just not blinged out enough stu |
| 21:02.18 | dataw0lf | yeah, it's probably not going away. |
| 21:02.20 | dataw0lf | unfortunately. |
| 21:02.56 | sjansen | I don't know, the Macarena died. The Achy Breaky faded. I've got to hope. |
| 21:02.56 | dataw0lf | because of white kids from suburbia everywhere! |
| 21:02.58 | levi | A guy at work just put huge nearly-solid chrome wheels on his 350Z. I was sad. |
| 21:03.27 | dataw0lf | I was driving my dad to the airport, and some car pulled up with spinners. he was like, 'What the hell are those??' |
| 21:03.37 | mrpull | if I just modify spec to use --with-oci8=shared, life is good. |
| 21:05.48 | sjansen | mrpull: Have you tried -D _with_oci8=1? |
| 21:06.45 | mrpull | no. not with a leading _ |
| 21:07.11 | mrpull | trying now. |
| 21:09.13 | mrpull | wahooo... |
| 21:09.17 | mrpull | that may have been the trick |
| 21:09.51 | mrpull | now we wait for the build (dual p3 700) |
| 21:10.21 | mrpull | dunno... in the past it was --define 'oracle 1' |
| 21:11.02 | sjansen | The important part is at the start where the set with_oci8, overwriting anything you try to set. |
| 21:11.33 | sjansen | No idea why they use _with_oci8 to set with_oci8. I can only assume there is a deep and mysterious need. |
| 21:12.26 | mrpull | the syntax they used in the older file differed slightly. |
| 21:12.50 | mrpull | I think they saved a line or two in the config and wasted a bunch of my time :) |
| 21:13.49 | mrpull | hrrmmm... |
| 21:18.01 | mrpull | sorry for burdening you all.... |
| 21:18.04 | sjansen | Betcha it was to make sure that with_oci8 was always set. |
| 21:18.19 | mrpull | I may need to use --with oci8 |
| 21:18.21 | mrpull | :) |
| 21:18.22 | mrpull | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-July/msg05381.html |
| 21:18.36 | sjansen | But in that case, I think the more correct course would have been to reverse the use of _with_oci8 and with_oci8. |
| 21:19.34 | sjansen | mrpull: There we go. That was what was scratching at the side of my brain. |
| 21:19.44 | mrpull | geeze... what a mess :) |
| 21:20.08 | mrpull | in the old version of the spec file is said: to rebuild with oracle support: type THIS: |
| 21:20.14 | mrpull | and I didn't have to think about it :) |
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| 21:27.46 | mrpull | pheww... it built oci8. now lets see if the packages all come out ok. |
| 21:27.53 | byronc | anyone know how to use an underline font in SWT? |
| 21:30.54 | sjansen | byronc: So when you lart eclipse, it isn't because you're using it because you're building on top of it |
| 21:31.48 | byronc | sjansen: no, just an swt app |
| 21:32.01 | byronc | I lart eclipse because eclipse hates me |
| 21:33.22 | xbmodder_lappy | who here believes in karma? |
| 21:33.52 | sjansen | Depends on your definition of karma. |
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| 21:34.03 | me_ | hell |
| 21:34.06 | me_ | o |
| 21:34.13 | xbmodder_lappy | what? |
| 21:34.18 | me_ | uh |
| 21:34.46 | xbmodder_lappy | wikipedia is so slow |
| 21:35.53 | Bradipo | It has been lately. |
| 21:36.27 | mrpull | google should help them out. |
| 21:37.26 | xbmodder_lappy | karma: The law of moral cause and effect; also a person's moral merit/demerit according to one's actions and (moreso) the inner intentions or motives which accompany them in terms of their conformity/non-conformity with dharma. One's karma is said to entail one's rebirth in order for that karma to be realized or fulfilled, and to determine the circumstances of that subsequent life. Attainment of moksha is thought to elim |
| 21:37.26 | xbmodder_lappy | inate the production of karma (in the second sense) altogether, and to bring to an end the cycle of rebirth (samsara). |
| 21:37.36 | xbmodder_lappy | google should help them out. |
| 21:37.47 | mrpull | they _are_ helping them out. |
| 21:38.07 | xbmodder_lappy | really? |
| 21:38.24 | xbmodder_lappy | i don't think taking over is helping |
| 21:39.34 | mrpull | http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Google-Offers-To-Host-Wikipedia-40554.html |
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| 21:44.35 | natester | hello utah |
| 21:45.01 | Uncle_Jesse | natester |
| 21:45.06 | Uncle_Jesse | natesterama |
| 21:45.14 | *** part/#utah me_ (~me@67.50.46.118) |
| 21:45.16 | Uncle_Jesse | sayin' hello to the utahns |
| 21:45.21 | neybar | that's new... I have spam mocking me now because I don't view html emails. "Get a capable html e-mailer" is all that it has in the plain text part. |
| 21:45.34 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:45.37 | xbmodder_lappy | rm -rf utah |
| 21:45.43 | Uncle_Jesse | talkin' about the spam |
| 21:45.43 | natester | hello utahns |
| 21:45.51 | Uncle_Jesse | oh - that's neybar |
| 21:45.57 | Uncle_Jesse | the neybarster |
| 21:46.07 | Uncle_Jesse | neybarerama |
| 21:46.09 | neybar | eh? |
| 21:46.14 | natester | gmail suggested natester |
| 21:46.23 | sjansen | neybar: Think 80's SNL. |
| 21:46.37 | natester | /nick the_land_shark |
| 21:46.38 | sjansen | Pauly Short, IIRC. |
| 21:46.57 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - I think that's who it was |
| 21:48.05 | sjansen | That was a golden age for comedy. |
| 21:48.30 | jnielsendotnet | why don't they ever show those episodes on E!? |
| 21:48.30 | Uncle_Jesse | yes - it just isn't as funny any more |
| 21:51.12 | Uncle_Jesse | I'd think it would go under the "if a tree falls in a forest..." rule |
| 21:51.48 | Uncle_Jesse | Of course, I appreciate them telling me, but what is there that I can do other than sue the company? |
| 21:52.01 | natester | get a new ssn |
| 21:52.07 | sjansen | heh |
| 21:52.07 | natester | ? |
| 21:52.21 | Uncle_Jesse | guess so |
| 21:52.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I still don't understand why they would admit to the coding flaw |
| 21:53.12 | Uncle_Jesse | I wonder if they were blackmailed into doing it |
| 21:53.30 | jnielsendotnet | man.. why didn't I think of that? |
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| 21:55.43 | natester | Uncle_Jesse: is this on slashdot? |
| 21:56.29 | Uncle_Jesse | natester: yeah |
| 21:56.34 | Uncle_Jesse | ~slashdot |
| 21:57.53 | xbmodder_lappy | ~Uncle_Jesse |
| 21:57.54 | ibot | [uncle_jesse] a #utah wannabe |
| 21:57.57 | Uncle_Jesse | ah - the company didn't admit themselves |
| 21:58.01 | Uncle_Jesse | :-) |
| 21:58.08 | xbmodder_lappy | ~xbmodder |
| 21:58.10 | ibot | methinks xbmodder is a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 21:58.14 | Uncle_Jesse | Think "revealed" them |
| 21:58.18 | xbmodder_lappy | ~xbmodder |
| 21:58.19 | ibot | methinks xbmodder is a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 21:58.40 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot, no xbmodder is a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 21:58.41 | ibot | xbmodder_lappy: i already had it that way |
| 21:58.47 | xbmodder_lappy | ~xbmodder |
| 21:58.48 | ibot | hmm... xbmodder is a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 21:58.58 | Jayce^ | umm |
| 21:59.06 | Jayce^ | do we need moderation again? |
| 21:59.07 | Uncle_Jesse | Danny Krane... |
| 21:59.14 | xbmodder_lappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.19 | xbmodder_lappy | ibot is b0rked |
| 22:00.22 | Uncle_Jesse | time to go home - cya guys |
| 22:00.27 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, bye! |
| 22:01.49 | hans | heh. I just got came across an application from someone who lives in Pune, India |
| 22:02.05 | hans | I wonder if that's coincidence, or if she is on plug. :) |
| 22:03.08 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 22:03.17 | Jayce^ | and maybe he isnt' having the smae weather as us |
| 22:04.35 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, i thought you were going home |
| 22:05.45 | sjansen | The weather today is wonderful. |
| 22:05.55 | sjansen | I've been feeling the camping bug lately. |
| 22:07.58 | xbmodder_lappy | rm -rf camping |
| 22:10.28 | Jayce^ | no.. not me.. |
| 22:10.32 | Jayce^ | read ahead |
| 22:31.35 | mrpull | soooo... anyone tried php on FC4 ? |
| 22:32.01 | mrpull | the oci8 bug that I thought would be fixed in RHEL 4 is still there :-/ |
| 22:34.47 | jnielsendotnet | there's an FC4? :D |
| 22:39.23 | mrpull | beta |
| 22:39.27 | mrpull | alpha... |
| 22:39.35 | mrpull | rawhide |
| 22:42.04 | jsmith | FC4 test 1 has slipped because of GCC 4 |
| 22:46.10 | goozbach | nice, no? |
| 22:47.55 | vontrapp | right, i praise firefox and then it croaks on me |
| 22:48.56 | goozbach | hah |
| 22:49.05 | goozbach | that's what you get |
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| 22:52.28 | lukfugl | ok, I need X help |
| 22:52.36 | lukfugl | (thank goodness irssi is command line :) |
| 22:52.59 | lukfugl | My X was working until I shutdown my machine. Now when I restarted it, no working X |
| 22:53.20 | goozbach | ohh and the logs say? |
| 22:53.44 | lukfugl | well, I know what the problem is, but why it wasn't a problem before, nor how to fix it, I don't know. |
| 22:54.09 | lukfugl | "No core pointer", ie. mouse, is the error |
| 22:54.43 | lukfugl | there wasn't a driver line for the mouse "InputDriver" section, and I don't know what one to add |
| 22:54.51 | Jayce^ | did you have 'AllowMouseOpenFail' set? |
| 22:55.22 | Jayce^ | Driver "mouse" if you are using anything recent probably |
| 22:56.06 | lukfugl | I thought I did, let me recheck |
| 22:56.50 | vontrapp | /dev/input/mice |
| 22:57.22 | lukfugl | ok, Driver "mouse" works |
| 22:57.29 | lukfugl | don't know why that wasn't in there before though |
| 22:57.31 | sjansen | lukfugl: sounds like an update whacked your config file |
| 23:00.02 | lukfugl | oh look, SuSE found new hardware: "Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical" |
| 23:00.08 | lukfugl | stupid thing |
| 23:00.59 | onetwig | lol, who wants to embark on rewriting xfree86?? Im sure whatever group did it successfully would be heros! |
| 23:01.16 | jsmith | onetwig: You mean like the x.org people are doing? |
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| 23:01.44 | onetwig | oh yeah! DOH! |
| 23:03.36 | vontrapp | ~lart waiting |
| 23:04.11 | xbmodder_lappy | rm -f /bin/rm |
| 23:04.23 | xbmodder_lappy | or cat /dev/urandom > /bin/rm |
| 23:05.36 | vontrapp | no, it's much more fun to b0rk /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 23:06.40 | tene | okay, I've got a question... |
| 23:07.09 | tene | all those "I've been trained to to harass people" discolsures and such that you have to sign for your employer... |
| 23:07.30 | tene | Is that training and such actually legally required, or is it just done to protect against lawsuit? |
| 23:07.58 | xbmodder_lappy | to to |
| 23:07.58 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 23:09.11 | tene | what? |
| 23:09.13 | tene | err |
| 23:09.15 | tene | "not to" |
| 23:09.22 | lukfugl | I was never trained to harass people |
| 23:09.27 | lukfugl | it just sort of comes naturally |
| 23:09.31 | tene | heh |
| 23:10.52 | xbmodder_lappy | ditto |
| 23:12.05 | tene | like signing that "I have read documents talking about that I shouldn't harass people about race, gender, etc." |
| 23:12.08 | tene | 'cause at work today, I had to sign a bunch of papers about that |
| 23:12.10 | tene | and one of them was talking about "I have recieved and read and understand this document..." |
| 23:12.15 | tene | and "I have read and understand all these other documents and legislation..." |
| 23:12.18 | tene | and so I asked if I could have it to read, and the ladie's like "... we don't have it." |
| 23:12.52 | tene | and "it just basically says 'I know not to do inappropriate things.'" or something. |
| 23:13.37 | tene | and she's like "Just sign it." |
| 23:13.38 | tene | and then "nobody else has any problems with it." and "You'll sign it if you want to work here." |
| 23:14.07 | onetwig | sux that people get sooo uptight these days.. but its because there are more and more dumb-a's born every day and make it worse for the rest of us |
| 23:14.11 | tene | what ended up happening was I crossed out all the offensive sections and had her sign next to all the omissions. |
| 23:14.56 | onetwig | Nice move Tene |
| 23:15.21 | Jayce^ | tene, where? |
| 23:15.31 | tene | at the state tax comission. |
| 23:15.41 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, real tight about that stuff then |
| 23:15.54 | sjansen | Oo, tene's got a govt. job. Gaurenteed work for life. :-) |
| 23:15.58 | Jayce^ | anybody know anyone looking for entry level tech support job? |
| 23:16.02 | tene | no, it's a seasonal position. |
| 23:16.13 | tene | I might be, Jayce. |
| 23:16.18 | sjansen | heh |
| 23:16.24 | mrpull | ask ken jennings about seasonal tax work :) |
| 23:16.25 | Jayce^ | it is entry.. |
| 23:16.27 | tene | it'd be better than this data entry job. |
| 23:17.04 | sjansen | How annoying. I mention on #utah a few days ago that I don't get much spam, and suddenly it's rising sharply. |
| 23:17.12 | sjansen | One of you sold me out didn't you! |
| 23:17.22 | lukfugl | the spam gods saw your blasphemy |
| 23:17.36 | onetwig | HAHAHA |
| 23:18.33 | lukfugl | sounds like the manaical laughter of a spam god that has just dealt out punishment |
| 23:19.07 | onetwig | nah, just needed a good laugh and that fit the bill.. at sjansens expense of course ;) |
| 23:19.40 | onetwig | clarification too.. I didnt do it. |
| 23:20.32 | onetwig | "the quickest way to ruin something is to talk about it" -- |
| 23:21.25 | sjansen | harrumph |
| 23:22.52 | onetwig | blame it on spring.. everythings growing now, even spam |
| 23:23.18 | tene | so does anyone know if that issue I was talking about is actually illegal, or just immoral? |
| 23:23.38 | jnielsendotnet | "bling" is just so shiny... |
| 23:25.11 | onetwig | tene: its to protect their own butts should an employee file charges against another emp. then the accuser cant say that it was promoted in the workplace and file against the employer also |
| 23:25.38 | tene | because that was... very very unpleasant. |
| 23:26.33 | sjansen | My guess would be that isn't illegal. |
| 23:26.53 | sjansen | There's few legal restrictions on how much of your soul you can sell in a contract. |
| 23:27.01 | sjansen | Provided you're sane. |
| 23:27.35 | xbmodder_lappy | ~welcome lilo |
| 23:27.37 | ibot | Howdy lilo | It is good to see you lilo | lilo, Sup yo? |
| 23:27.37 | tene | well, that is to say, if they're violating something by not actually providing that information |
| 23:28.40 | tene | if they're only doing it to cover their butts, then it's a little bit less disagreeable. |
| 23:29.42 | Jayce^ | tene, that's what most do... |
| 23:29.47 | Jayce^ | CYA for the company |
| 23:29.54 | Jayce^ | too many got sued about stuff like that |
| 23:30.08 | tene | that makes sense. |
| 23:32.10 | Bradipo | I think its just a bunch of wasted time and money to keep someone employed. |
| 23:32.16 | Bradipo | Whatever happened to at will employment. |
| 23:32.45 | Jayce^ | they only see it as their will, not the employees |
| 23:33.05 | Bradipo | Right, but why do I need to sign something that says that they can fire me when they already can do so? |
| 23:33.37 | Bradipo | And why would a company be responsible for my behavior? |
| 23:33.49 | Bradipo | Nobody willing to accept responsibility for their own actions these days I guess... |
| 23:34.04 | Bradipo | So yeah, companies have to CYA. |
| 23:34.55 | Jayce^ | exactly |
| 23:35.13 | sjansen | At will stinks, but I favor it. |
| 23:35.31 | Jayce^ | it can come in handy as an employee too |
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| 23:39.01 | vontrapp | blast, beandog is gone |
| 23:39.28 | xbmodder_lappy | nothing comes from utah.... |
| 23:41.37 | vontrapp | anybody else use the Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer class? |
| 23:43.11 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 23:43.13 | xbmodder_lappy | wtf? |
| 23:43.24 | xbmodder_lappy | yes brigham is not here! |
| 23:43.39 | findlay | vontrapp: what's it do? |
| 23:44.01 | vontrapp | it writes excel files |
| 23:44.07 | xbmodder_lappy | in what? C? |
| 23:44.13 | vontrapp | but it seems to like to take a very long time |
| 23:44.18 | vontrapp | php |
| 23:44.42 | vontrapp | when finally the excel file came up, it had one cell which informed me: |
| 23:44.49 | sjansen | must... control... fist... of... death... |
| 23:45.04 | vontrapp | Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /usr/lib/php/Spreadsheet/Excel/Writer/BIFFwriter.php online 229 |
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| 23:47.28 | sjansen | anger... rising... |
| 23:48.05 | vontrapp | ~provoke sjansen |
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