| 00:01.36 | findlay | goozbach: will be bach |
| 00:01.45 | goozbach | that's not rambo |
| 00:08.00 | goozbach | woot storage |
| 00:16.13 | emcnabb | http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=790 |
| 00:16.46 | Maquis | wow! cool! |
| 00:16.51 | Maquis | emcnabb: how are you doing today? |
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| 00:18.27 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 00:18.34 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 00:18.37 | Maquis | stupid bot |
| 00:18.40 | SpecialK | ~laugh Maquis |
| 00:18.42 | ibot | ibot laughs hysterically at Maquis...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
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| 00:18.56 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 00:18.59 | SpecialK | |lart brigham |
| 00:19.05 | Maquis | ~mock SpecialK |
| 00:19.07 | ibot | ACTION pulls SpecialK's pants down and shows the world SpecialK's pink spotted underwear |
| 00:19.27 | SpecialK | I wonder where the pink spots would come from. |
| 00:19.29 | emcnabb | Maquis, I'm doing well |
| 00:19.39 | Maquis | :) |
| 00:19.42 | Maquis | that's good to hear |
| 00:19.54 | Maquis | what are you up to today at work? |
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| 00:23.46 | findlay | scott_: isn't it just like a re-implementation of stuff already written in other languages like php/perl? |
| 00:23.58 | findlay | or are there Exciting New Features? |
| 00:25.03 | scott_ | Well I'm not really "up to date" on all the web app toolkits nor have I investigated ruby on rails sufficiently to say for certain what it might have that they don't |
| 00:25.42 | scott_ | but after having written a couple php forms lately I'm really interested in a simpler solution |
| 00:25.43 | findlay | but now you have the advantage of using ruby, whatever that means to you (: |
| 00:25.59 | scott_ | I don't know ruby or even care to learn it :) |
| 00:27.13 | findlay | OK, a couple of days ago my 3.5" drive started seeking randomly for random lengths of time, and now the fan on my power supply is getting periodically throttled for some reason, what's going on? |
| 00:27.20 | findlay | do I need a new power supply? |
| 00:27.31 | levi | scott_: As long as you're looking at cool web toolkits in languages you don't know, check out Seaside: http://www.seaside.st/ |
| 00:28.14 | scott_ | seaside is the squeak one right? |
| 00:28.36 | findlay | levi: do they have a fortran toolkit? (: |
| 00:33.55 | findlay | actually it's the cpu fan that is turning off |
| 00:34.01 | findlay | anybody seen that before |
| 00:34.28 | findlay | do I need a new MB? |
| 00:34.43 | levi | The CPU fan turning off is probably bad. |
| 00:35.13 | levi | scott_: The smalltalk one, yes. Works in Squeak and Cincom Smalltalk. |
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| 01:14.36 | SpecialK | BYU surplus sale Friday Morning. |
| 01:14.57 | SpecialK | I'm trying to remember who all has asked me about it. . . |
| 01:15.46 | levi | Hmm. Have they had anything good there lately? |
| 01:16.07 | tene | where and when? |
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| 01:27.23 | findlay | hans: what was that channel again? |
| 01:28.35 | hans | The sci-fi channel. |
| 01:28.44 | findlay | (: |
| 01:28.45 | hans | Or maybe Spike. |
| 01:28.52 | hans | what channel? what are you talking about? |
| 01:29.12 | hans | oh, #lad? linux audio developers |
| 01:29.17 | findlay | yeah |
| 01:29.20 | findlay | k |
| 01:30.12 | levi | Wow, suddenly I have 50 gmail invites. |
| 01:31.01 | tene | join the crowd, levi |
| 01:32.49 | levi | I couldn't get rid of 6, what am I going to do with 50? |
| 01:34.54 | tene | gmailsf raid, of course. |
| 01:34.57 | tene | err |
| 01:34.58 | tene | gmailfs |
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| 02:01.14 | Maquis | tene: :) |
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| 02:13.25 | findlay | Maquis: (: |
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| 03:06.28 | xbmodder_lappy | hello? |
| 03:06.57 | xbmodder_lappy | what do you like better to be called as? Mr. Seigel or Adam? |
| 03:07.05 | xbmodder_lappy | I like Mr. Seigel... |
| 03:07.53 | xbmodder_lappy | Well... My current question is why is mysql so slow sometimes |
| 03:07.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
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| 03:14.23 | xbmodder_lappy | hello Uncle_Jesse |
| 03:16.09 | Maquis | goozbach: i'm tired of homework :( |
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| 03:19.36 | Maquis | ~lart emcnabb |
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| 04:37.07 | stick | HI |
| 04:38.07 | goozbach | :) |
| 04:38.56 | goozbach | pretty good flick |
| 04:46.25 | scott_ | did anyone find out where and what time the surplus sale is? how often do they have these and anyone know if there are typically laptops there? |
| 04:50.17 | misterpull | scott. i've got a thinkpad a21 that i'm willing to part with. |
| 04:54.22 | xbmodder | tene neeeds a laptop |
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| 05:15.29 | Maquis | |lart Newsome |
| 05:15.51 | Newsome | hey! :) |
| 05:15.58 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:17.16 | Newsome | Can't do much on a FAT12 drive |
| 05:17.50 | Maquis | yup |
| 05:19.18 | Maquis | so, how's it going Newsome? |
| 05:19.34 | Newsome | decent |
| 05:19.54 | Newsome | Tracked down a kernel bug, but I have no clue how to fix it |
| 05:20.07 | Maquis | cool!!! |
| 05:21.42 | Newsome | it would be a lot cooler if it hadn't taken me so long to track it down, or if I could actually fix the problem. |
| 05:22.40 | Maquis | at least you tracked it down |
| 05:24.57 | levi | What kind of kernel bug? |
| 05:25.47 | Newsome | The bug is in the ARCH specific code for UML |
| 05:26.00 | levi | Ahh. |
| 05:26.07 | xbmodder | hello all! |
| 05:26.16 | Newsome | It causes a kernel panic when sent a SIGWINCH |
| 05:26.22 | levi | Whoops. |
| 05:26.49 | xbmodder | whats a SIGWINCH |
| 05:26.49 | levi | You'd think that would be a common occurance. |
| 05:26.49 | xbmodder | ~UML |
| 05:26.50 | ibot | somebody said uml was User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches |
| 05:26.50 | Newsome | SIGWINCH is there to send signals when a terminal is resized |
| 05:27.03 | xbmodder | that would happen alot would'nt it? |
| 05:28.10 | Newsome | It ended up being pretty obvious once I knew what to look for. |
| 05:28.31 | Newsome | A = kmalloc() ; free(A) ; do something with A |
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| 05:30.13 | levi | Yeah, that looks like a bug. :) |
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| 05:33.07 | Newsome | hmm, Linus released 2.6.11-rc5 tonight. |
| 05:33.48 | levi | I'm trying to figure out why agetty isn't working on this embedded device. |
| 05:35.11 | Newsome | serial? |
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| 05:38.10 | Newsome | Well, gotta get some sleep if I expect to torment students tomorrow. Night, all. |
| 05:42.38 | Maquis | ok... |
| 05:42.50 | Maquis | so, if a project is worth 8% of the grade in a class... |
| 05:42.56 | Maquis | and i really don't feel like doing the project |
| 05:43.04 | Maquis | and instead, i'm sitting here doing nothing....... |
| 05:43.23 | levi | You should do the project anyway, since you will need that 8% with that attitude. ;) |
| 05:43.26 | levi | Trust me, I know. |
| 05:43.34 | Maquis | grrrrrrr.... |
| 05:43.55 | Maquis | cs404 is boring |
| 05:44.02 | Maquis | and this book sucks |
| 05:44.06 | levi | What is 404? |
| 05:44.43 | Maquis | ethics of computer science |
| 05:45.18 | fishyfire | playing with cs235 hw myself |
| 05:45.29 | Maquis | fun... :) |
| 05:45.44 | Maquis | you know moriah, liz and jessica? |
| 05:45.53 | Maquis | (235 TAs) |
| 05:46.18 | fishyfire | i had english with liz and michael last semester (both 235 tas) |
| 05:46.25 | Maquis | cool! |
| 05:46.27 | fishyfire | yeah |
| 05:46.35 | Maquis | moriah was in my freshman ward |
| 05:46.48 | Maquis | we took cs124 together and had a lot of fun working on projects |
| 05:46.59 | Maquis | liz is in my civ class |
| 05:47.04 | fishyfire | cool |
| 05:47.08 | Maquis | jessica's in cs404 with me |
| 05:49.24 | findlay | I highly recommend irc to a background of Tschaikowsky's 1st symphonie |
| 05:49.32 | findlay | maybe that's because it's winter |
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| 05:51.51 | findlay | holy ibot, Herbert von Karajan is a genius |
| 05:55.42 | Maquis | holy ibot? |
| 05:55.50 | Maquis | that's a scary thought... |
| 05:57.41 | findlay | but Karajan being a genius, that's splendid, or the reason I bought about 200 CDs of his very copious discography |
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| 05:58.34 | levi | findlay: I suspected it before, but you are now confirmed as a genuine classical music freak. ;) |
| 05:58.47 | findlay | ibot: Herbert von Karajan is a musical genius or the best conductor of the twentieth century |
| 05:58.48 | ibot | findlay: okay |
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| 06:00.06 | findlay | levi: I have off-topic capital, for I made a donation to none other than PDPC, and feeling a extra generosity propensity, wikimedia too (-: |
| 06:13.37 | tene | ~lart Maquis |
| 06:16.19 | tene | Maquis: when and where is the surpluss sale? |
| 06:16.33 | Maquis | tene: i thought you were getting rid of hardware |
| 06:16.46 | tene | I did. this is for someone else. |
| 06:16.52 | Maquis | oh... |
| 06:16.52 | tene | I'm not even going to be in provo tomorrow. |
| 06:17.08 | Maquis | it's in b77 and i'm not sure what time |
| 06:17.30 | tene | b77 is a room number? |
| 06:17.41 | Maquis | nope... a building number... |
| 06:17.45 | tene | oh |
| 06:17.48 | Maquis | i'm not sure what room though |
| 06:20.47 | xbmodder | findlay, that sucks |
| 06:20.47 | findlay | lucky I had a backup (: |
| 06:21.22 | findlay | yeah, but I turned off the machine soon enough that the processor didn't melt |
| 06:21.47 | xbmodder | if you came home and your house had this huge vase and like a 50 dollar necklace sitting in your room and with a note saying "i love you. Will you go out with me Alex? -your secret admirer P.S. If the answer is yes Email me at: yourlover@dodgeit.com" |
| 06:21.55 | xbmodder | hah... the last part is a little geeky |
| 06:23.31 | xbmodder | findlay, what does backup have to do with processor? |
| 06:23.37 | findlay | imagine what would have happened if it went out while I was gone and some unsuspecting cron job grabbed the mop from the janitor closet, then dies a slow, smoky slizzling death |
| 06:23.53 | findlay | backup heat sink |
| 06:23.58 | xbmodder | ooo |
| 06:24.17 | xbmodder | findlay, that was grusome. |
| 06:24.23 | findlay | lol |
| 06:26.53 | xbmodder | you have been bashed! |
| 06:26.54 | xbmodder | :) |
| 06:32.25 | findlay | levi: tty's getting you down? |
| 06:32.37 | xbmodder | what? |
| 06:32.38 | brigham | what are at least 10 things an Inode tracks? (question form). |
| 06:32.50 | findlay | I know, bad, very bad |
| 06:33.29 | xbmodder | hey, if you type in your password, it will show as stars |
| 06:33.49 | findlay | but what if your password is stars? |
| 06:34.19 | findlay | (: |
| 06:36.17 | xbmodder | findlay, you are a clown1 |
| 06:37.18 | xbmodder | http://bash.org/?207373] |
| 06:37.19 | xbmodder | http://bash.org/?207373 |
| 06:37.23 | findlay | but you cannot help but feel jovial while listening th Marche Slave |
| 06:37.35 | findlay | s/th/to |
| 06:40.25 | xbmodder | hah |
| 06:41.12 | Maquis | findlay: 1812 overture |
| 06:42.13 | findlay | Eugene Onegin |
| 06:42.14 | findlay | ha |
| 06:42.31 | findlay | swapping Tschaikowsky pieces |
| 06:42.43 | levi | findlay: This code is extremely ugly and appears to be interacting badly with getopt. |
| 06:42.54 | brailsmt | dangit... how do i make text bold in latex? i forgot... |
| 06:42.57 | brailsmt | :( |
| 06:43.09 | levi | And it's a quarter to midnight and I want this to work so I can go sleep. |
| 06:43.28 | Maquis | brailsmt: \textbf{foo} |
| 06:44.10 | brailsmt | Maquis: thx |
| 06:44.17 | Maquis | no prob |
| 06:44.26 | Maquis | YAY!!!! I answered a question!!!!! |
| 06:46.37 | brailsmt | dang... now i need to remember how to create a pdf from a dvi without it looking like the south end of a north bound horse... |
| 06:46.50 | findlay | brailsmt: {\bf <text>} |
| 06:46.55 | findlay | http://noodle.med.yale.edu/latex/latex2e-html/ltx-204.html |
| 06:47.19 | findlay | brailsmt: latex file.tex && dvips file.dvi -o file.ps && ps2pdf file.ps |
| 06:47.32 | Maquis | findlay: i already gave an answer |
| 06:47.40 | findlay | Maquis: findlay is slow |
| 06:47.45 | Maquis | why do you have to steal my thunder? |
| 06:47.49 | brailsmt | hah, i remembered... |
| 06:47.55 | Maquis | i never get to answer questions |
| 06:48.10 | findlay | ~steal Maquis thunder in a brilliant flash of lightning |
| 06:48.17 | brailsmt | dvips -Ppdf resume.dvi -o resume.ps |
| 06:48.41 | brailsmt | you need the -Ppdf or else the font looks like nasty |
| 06:48.52 | findlay | OK, didn't know that |
| 06:49.08 | brailsmt | s/like // |
| 06:49.21 | findlay | also you need to specify the page size to dvips even if you have defined in your latex source file |
| 06:49.31 | findlay | dvips -papertype letter |
| 06:49.37 | findlay | default is A4 |
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| 06:49.45 | brailsmt | someone should write an irc client plugin that actually goes through and applies ppl's sed-like corrections... |
| 06:49.46 | Maquis | brailsmt: in certain parts of the US *cough* californai *cough*, your removal of the extra "like" would be unnecessary |
| 06:49.56 | xbmodder | What? |
| 06:49.56 | brigham | What are at least 10 things an Inode tracks? (question form). |
| 06:50.21 | brailsmt | brigham: your an idiot... |
| 06:50.24 | xbmodder | Girls are like internet domain names, the ones I like are already taken. < bash.org |
| 06:50.27 | brailsmt | (if you are still a bot) |
| 06:50.40 | brailsmt | otherwise, sorry... |
| 06:50.40 | brailsmt | :) |
| 06:50.48 | Maquis | brailsmt: be nice to brigham |
| 06:51.13 | fishyfire | When the input has been sorted the running time of Quicksort is O(N LOG N) right? |
| 06:51.35 | brailsmt | there are like no ppl left in like cali, cause like its been raining like cats and dogs... |
| 06:52.01 | xbmodder | theres me! you forgot |
| 06:52.18 | fishyfire | and reverse sorting would be O(n^2)? |
| 06:52.26 | brailsmt | you are actually floating in the middle of the pacific, with the rest of california, you just don't know it... |
| 06:52.30 | xbmodder | what the fuck is wtf |
| 06:52.34 | xbmodder | oops |
| 06:52.39 | xbmodder | wrong room sorry! |
| 06:52.45 | levi | tsk. |
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| 06:53.03 | brailsmt | xbmodder: replace the 'is' in the question with an '==' |
| 06:53.07 | xbmodder | IRC is just multiplayer notepad. |
| 06:53.35 | findlay | Uh? IRC == notepad.exe? |
| 06:55.24 | brailsmt | no, the wtf question |
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| 16:02.31 | beandog | ~lart tensai |
| 16:02.36 | beandog | you punk, tensai |
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| 16:02.40 | beandog | You got me yesterday |
| 16:02.50 | tene | yay, breaktime at work |
| 16:11.11 | bbeattie | Anyone seen some good benchmarks lately comparing xfs, jfs and reiser 4? From my research just about each FS is "better" by far depending on the benchmark. |
| 16:11.31 | tene | depends on what you want to use the fs for |
| 16:11.37 | tene | different benches test different things. |
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| 16:18.19 | tensai | beandog: ha ha ha ha ha! I didn't think you'd fall for it. |
| 16:21.34 | bbeattie | My main goal is I need to write 4 files at the same time and sustain 10MB/s writing and also read 1 file at 3MB/s. And this needs to be to one drive. |
| 16:22.06 | Maquis | tensai: wha'd you do to beandog? |
| 16:22.50 | tensai | Maquis: he asked how to reply to list in thunderbird. I told him ctrl-alt-backspace. |
| 16:23.00 | tensai | hilarity ensued |
| 16:23.00 | neybar | d'oh |
| 16:24.15 | Jayce^ | bbeattie, depends on what you are doing |
| 16:24.28 | Jayce^ | tensai++ |
| 16:24.55 | emcnabb | http://lwn.net/Articles/124957/ |
| 16:25.24 | tensai | wow. gonna be some language barriers in that company. |
| 16:25.27 | levi | Just hit slashdot, too. |
| 16:26.03 | tensai | well, that's probably more commonplace in europe though. I'm sure they'll figure it out. |
| 16:26.23 | tensai | "Both Mandrakesoft and Conectiva are profitable companies." |
| 16:26.42 | tensai | didn't mandrake file for bankrupcy protection a while back? |
| 16:26.53 | JoshH | ya but they recovered |
| 16:27.57 | bbeattie | Jayce^: I posted up there what I'm trying to do... |
| 16:28.21 | bbeattie | write 10MB/s a second to 4 files and read 1 file at 3MB/s at the same time. |
| 16:28.23 | Jayce^ | jfs or xfs would be my bet, especially if you are doing large files |
| 16:29.27 | bbeattie | How about reiser4? Most newer benchmarks put that ahead of xfs and jfs by a good gap. |
| 16:29.38 | bbeattie | .. almost an unbelievable gap.. |
| 16:29.52 | orbit | bbeattie: One scsi drive? IDE? rpms? |
| 16:29.59 | Jayce^ | I haven't used reiser4 myself yet, most experience with reiser3... which is good, even with what you want, but not quite as good on very large files |
| 16:30.47 | bbeattie | ide, 7200 200gb. |
| 16:31.04 | bbeattie | it will actually be a 5x200GB lvm setup, not stripped since I need to add/remove disks. |
| 16:31.55 | bbeattie | I'm using jfs right now doing raid0, but when I move to lvm I will lose a lot of throughput since lvm won't be stripped |
| 16:32.37 | beandog | tensai: I was just tired ... wasnt thinking at all. The only thought that occured to me was, "that seems like an odd combination .." |
| 16:32.46 | beandog | :) |
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| 16:33.33 | bbeattie | My current setup I can read ~95MB/s and write 68MB/s (The read is actually maxing out the pci bus on the system and that's why it stops there). |
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| 16:38.03 | Maquis | i will admit that i've sometimes hit that instead of other ctrl-alt combinations that i've wanted... |
| 16:38.58 | vontrapp | Maquis: yeah, whilst switching workspaces back and forth and not quite letting go of the modifiers before backspacing something |
| 16:39.28 | Maquis | :) |
| 16:39.40 | Maquis | or just hitting the wrong key |
| 16:39.45 | vontrapp | or trying to restart X on the computer your connected to via synergy :) |
| 16:39.55 | vontrapp | and the wrong one restarts |
| 16:39.57 | Maquis | :) |
| 16:39.57 | vontrapp | that's annoying |
| 16:40.27 | beandog | how do you switch workspaces? |
| 16:40.35 | lukfugl|w0rk | hailing vim experts... |
| 16:40.46 | lukfugl|w0rk | got question |
| 16:40.52 | vontrapp | i can use ctr-alt-# or meta-# |
| 16:41.04 | vontrapp | i'm used to the ctr-alt combo, so that's what i usually use |
| 16:41.13 | orbit | ctrl-tab, ctrl-shift-tab |
| 16:41.16 | beandog | well Ill be durned. |
| 16:41.30 | beandog | thanks |
| 16:41.45 | tensai | I changed my mappings to meta-s and meta-d. nice one handed combo so I don't have to let go of the mouse |
| 16:41.59 | Jayce^ | ctrl-shift-[hjkl] |
| 16:42.05 | tensai | plus meta-a and meta-f to send windows left and right |
| 16:42.15 | Jayce^ | moved alt to shift because of backspace problems before :) |
| 16:42.25 | Jayce^ | and use the vim navigation for direction |
| 16:44.16 | tensai | ~lart slashdot for posting a story 3 times in 3 days |
| 16:44.51 | beandog | Good ol slashdot |
| 17:05.07 | hans | meta-hjkl |
| 17:05.13 | hans | ~hug fvwm |
| 17:05.15 | ibot | ACTION hugs fvwm |
| 17:05.46 | hans | ok, ctrl-a autoformat is a bad idea in oocalc |
| 17:06.50 | tensai | hah. that's retard. |
| 17:07.09 | tensai | not as bad as ctrl-w in xchat, imho |
| 17:07.25 | hans | :) |
| 17:09.52 | Maquis | kdsjkfjdkkkdk |
| 17:10.32 | Maquis | grrr |
| 17:10.36 | Maquis | stupid wireless connection |
| 17:12.00 | Maquis | :) |
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| 17:13.06 | xbmodder_lappy | hey guys sup! |
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| 17:27.17 | goozbach | er awake |
| 17:27.32 | goozbach | and er maquis |
| 17:28.45 | Maquis | mornin goozbach |
| 17:29.25 | Maquis | goozbach: you didn't tell me what happened in class yesterday... |
| 17:29.52 | Maquis | are things going better today? |
| 17:30.44 | Bradipo | Anyone else noticing a massive increase in spam lately? |
| 17:32.05 | Jayce^ | which kind? |
| 17:33.23 | tensai | the unwanted kind |
| 17:33.54 | levi | I haven't. |
| 17:33.54 | Jayce^ | there is another? |
| 17:33.54 | Maquis | tensai: you don't like your spam? |
| 17:34.07 | Jayce^ | I had a huge increase in the bounces for a while, mostly from investment/penny stock type scams |
| 17:34.16 | tensai | Maquis: not particularly, no |
| 17:34.27 | tensai | I haven't noticed any difference lately |
| 17:35.32 | xbmodder_lappy | boo! |
| 17:37.42 | xbmodder_lappy | where is echristo? |
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| 17:47.25 | Maquis | |lart this stupid lag |
| 17:50.58 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart Maquis for using brailsmt |
| 17:51.01 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart Maquis for using brigham |
| 17:51.02 | Jayce^ | you playing WoW? :) |
| 17:51.12 | xbmodder_lappy | Nope! |
| 17:53.11 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart Maquis for touching ibot |
| 17:54.45 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart Maquis for touching ibot |
| 17:54.55 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart Maquis for touching me |
| 17:55.02 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.09 | Maquis | oops... stupid space |
| 17:57.42 | Maquis | mmmmm... good song |
| 17:57.52 | Maquis | fuego de noche... |
| 17:57.56 | Maquis | nieve de dia |
| 17:58.39 | vontrapp | ~fry byuwireless |
| 17:58.41 | ibot | ACTION grabs byuwireless and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
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| 17:59.49 | Maquis | vontrapp: you're not getting along with it either? |
| 17:59.54 | Maquis | are you in the tmcb? |
| 17:59.59 | vontrapp | that was just for your sake |
| 18:00.34 | vontrapp | i get a new windshield today! |
| 18:01.10 | vontrapp | is there any utilities to convert an swf to a mpg/avi/mov/other video format? |
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| 18:02.38 | bbeattie | Anyone know which installer for debian supports xfs? Any idea if sarge does or if you have to use a third party custom boot cd? |
| 18:03.37 | Jayce^ | the new one does, I know that |
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| 18:07.42 | bbeattie | the sarge pre-rc2? |
| 18:08.35 | Jayce^ | the lateset netinst one |
| 18:08.41 | Jayce^ | 'cause it's in the 2.6 |
| 18:08.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 18:08.50 | Jayce^ | ubuntu has it too |
| 18:10.41 | beandog | vontrapp: I doubt it, since they can be interactive by nature |
| 18:10.51 | beandog | plus, I can't find one either. :T |
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| 18:11.39 | bbeattie | Jayce^: does ubuntu use the standard debian archives or their own? |
| 18:11.41 | neybar | is there a rescue cd for RH 7.3? |
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| 18:12.38 | sjansen | Ahem. I would just like to say: |
| 18:13.04 | bbeattie | neybar: define rescue? Because you can often use many live cd's to get in and fix problems with an installed system |
| 18:13.15 | sjansen | "The badness of a line is an integer that is approximately 100 times the cube of the ratio by which the glue inside the line must stretch or shrink to make n hbox of the required size." |
| 18:14.07 | sjansen | In addition: |
| 18:14.23 | sjansen | "Minimizing the total demerits of a paragraph is roughly the same as minimizing the sum of the squares of the badnesses and penalties..." |
| 18:14.53 | Jayce^ | bbeattie, their own, but you can use others |
| 18:15.04 | sjansen | My work here is done. |
| 18:15.24 | xbmodder_lappy | neybar, there is. |
| 18:15.32 | bbeattie | jay^: ubuntu doesn't have the vast archive that debian does, does it? |
| 18:15.53 | Jayce^ | bbeattie, yeah, it does, mostly just debian stuff with ubuntu name... that's all it is |
| 18:16.30 | levi | sjansen: I thought you were allergic to math. |
| 18:16.52 | levi | sjansen: Still reading about TeX? |
| 18:18.33 | tensai | Maquis: why on earth would you stop him from leaving? |
| 18:19.20 | Maquis | tensai: to foil his plots for world domination |
| 18:32.24 | xbmodder_lappy | why? |
| 18:32.24 | brigham | why is it that IBM has to show its code to AIX, when SCO won't show any code... |
| 18:35.15 | neybar | bbeattie: xbmodder I determined the problem was hardware, so I am just using knoppix to get what is left of the data off the box. |
| 18:36.06 | neybar | I almost answered brighams question... |
| 18:38.23 | xbmodder_lappy | hah |
| 18:38.27 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 18:41.13 | xbmodder_lappy | kinda hungry |
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| 19:33.07 | Maquis | GAAAAAAA!!!! |
| 19:33.13 | Maquis | i'm out of things to say!!!!! |
| 19:33.18 | Maquis | and i've still got almost a page to go |
| 19:40.49 | hans | I knew a guy who knew a guy that wrote a paper in high school about phlegm |
| 19:40.57 | Maquis | haha |
| 19:41.36 | hans | it wasn't supposed to be about phlegm. the first paragraph or so was about the real topic. then he filled the rest of the pages with phlegmish poetry. |
| 19:41.42 | hans | or something |
| 19:41.47 | Maquis | weird |
| 19:41.51 | Maquis | how'd the teacher like it? |
| 19:42.04 | hans | probably laughed his head off and gave him an F. dunno. |
| 19:42.12 | Maquis | haha |
| 19:42.54 | Maquis | i dunno... if i were a teacher, if i got a good enough laugh, i might at least give the paper a D... or maybe even a C... |
| 19:43.23 | hans | I dunno, I think anything bad enough to deserve an F would make me laugh. |
| 19:43.32 | Maquis | haha |
| 19:43.41 | Maquis | depends on why it deserves an F... |
| 19:43.52 | tensai | I had a teach who claimed that he threw the papers down the stairs and gave the highest grades to the ones that went the farthest |
| 19:43.52 | hans | no,not really |
| 19:43.54 | Maquis | some are painful enough to deserve an F... |
| 19:44.45 | tensai | once I saw him grade two papers based on their size. One was mine and fairly thick. The other was my friends and he had padded it with blank paper. Teacher didn't even read them. |
| 19:45.11 | Maquis | i had a friend who stuck "are you actually reading this?" in the middle of her paper |
| 19:45.21 | Maquis | teacher didn't notice |
| 19:46.01 | hans | I would write "No" in the margins. |
| 19:46.48 | Maquis | :) |
| 19:47.06 | levi | Maquis: What are you writing about? |
| 19:47.17 | Maquis | levi: you ever read the book "Engines of the Mind"? |
| 19:47.24 | levi | Maquis: Nope. |
| 19:47.28 | Maquis | good. |
| 19:47.30 | Maquis | don't |
| 19:48.02 | vontrapp | my freind made referece to 'a Fugal' in her paper, and the teacher wrote "what is that? some kind of animal?" |
| 19:48.11 | Maquis | haha |
| 19:48.21 | vontrapp | and a couple fugals had already been named earlier in the paper |
| 19:48.43 | Maquis | what was she writing about? |
| 19:48.48 | vontrapp | Fugals |
| 19:48.50 | vontrapp | :) |
| 19:48.59 | Maquis | ah... |
| 19:49.03 | levi | Maquis: Is that what you're writing about? |
| 19:49.17 | Maquis | levi: that book? yes |
| 19:49.23 | hans | who was that von? |
| 19:49.28 | vontrapp | maria |
| 19:50.58 | levi | Sounds like it could be interesting. |
| 19:51.13 | tensai | ~lart viruses |
| 19:51.43 | Maquis | ok... |
| 19:51.59 | Maquis | well, 2.25 pages is close enough to 2.5... :) |
| 19:52.25 | levi | You can't find 2.5 pages worth of information to print on the pioneers of computing? |
| 19:52.55 | bucky | Turing.. Flowers ? |
| 19:53.04 | hans | heh. she wrote a paper about fugals? |
| 19:53.21 | vontrapp | no, it wasn't about fugals |
| 19:53.23 | vontrapp | i was joking |
| 19:53.29 | vontrapp | but it did talk about some fugals |
| 19:53.43 | hans | what did she say about them? |
| 19:53.50 | vontrapp | she said hans was wierd |
| 19:54.06 | vontrapp | and von was cute |
| 19:54.24 | hans | ha. i'm sure she did |
| 19:57.46 | bucky | novell is a bargain today |
| 20:02.06 | tensai | ~quote novl |
| 20:02.16 | tensai | ~quote scox |
| 20:02.35 | tensai | did I spell it wrong or were they actually delisted? |
| 20:02.38 | orbit | Poor souls: 'SCOX' is no longer valid. It has changed to SCOXE. |
| 20:02.43 | tensai | ~quote scoxe |
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| 20:03.26 | tensai | orbit: do you know why? |
| 20:03.31 | orbit | Not sure. |
| 20:03.44 | orbit | Let me see if Yahoo knows why... |
| 20:04.13 | tensai | " My daily check of their stock price has revealed that their ticker symbol is no longer valid. The extra E is a flag that SCO is not in compliance with the SEC's regulations." |
| 20:04.19 | orbit | ouch. |
| 20:04.29 | tensai | dunno how credible that is |
| 20:04.34 | orbit | But makes sense. |
| 20:04.49 | orbit | I've seen stocks that get a .OB appended to their symbol. |
| 20:04.53 | orbit | those are usually penny stocks |
| 20:05.11 | tensai | http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20050218202148496 |
| 20:05.19 | Newsome | ~quote SCOXE |
| 20:05.19 | tensai | apparently it's true |
| 20:05.44 | Newsome | SCO failed to file their audited year-end statement. |
| 20:05.53 | tensai | what's worse, having your ticker symbol end with "E" or start with "SCO"? |
| 20:07.26 | orbit | ~quote SCOS.OB |
| 20:07.42 | Newsome | The NASDAQ sent SCO a letter that because they were not in compliance with SEC regulations, they are subject to delisting at the opening of business tomorrow. |
| 20:08.05 | tensai | so what's a 10-K? |
| 20:08.20 | orbit | ~quote SCO |
| 20:08.40 | Newsome | 10-K is the year-end report |
| 20:08.45 | orbit | 10-K is a (yearly I believe) report each publically-traded company must provide. |
| 20:09.06 | RyanE | 10-K's are interesting because you see compensation of major players in a company. |
| 20:09.11 | orbit | contains things like balance sheets, income/expense statements and the like I think. |
| 20:09.13 | tensai | SCO is an insurance company, Scor SA |
| 20:09.14 | RyanE | i.e. board, CEO, etc. |
| 20:09.18 | orbit | Poor folks. |
| 20:10.00 | Newsome | Their auditors have apparently refused to sign off on something, and they haven't been able to reach an agreement. |
| 20:11.02 | bucky | Mean Mr Mustard has to cook the books to keep them afloat and out of prison |
| 20:11.44 | Newsome | Why would Mustard want to keep the SCOX people out of prison? |
| 20:11.59 | tensai | seems like the SEC will have something to say about a missing 10-K as well |
| 20:12.02 | bucky | that's why they hired him |
| 20:12.20 | bucky | btw... Ralph Yarro is not SCO people anymore |
| 20:12.44 | Newsome | huh? |
| 20:13.11 | bucky | and Mott and Christiansen.. all got the boot for christmas |
| 20:13.19 | Newsome | from Canopy |
| 20:13.21 | Newsome | not from SCO |
| 20:13.23 | bucky | yup |
| 20:13.32 | bucky | www.groklaw.net |
| 20:13.55 | Newsome | heh |
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| 20:14.42 | bucky | what's the difference? |
| 20:14.49 | bucky | SCO.. Canopy |
| 20:14.58 | bucky | its a shell game |
| 20:15.05 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 20:16.20 | Newsome | Yarro and Mott are still on the SCO BOD. With Yarro in charge of everything, it probably was a shell game. Nobody knows now. |
| 20:18.44 | bucky | prolly not for long |
| 20:19.19 | bucky | i bet Yarro doesnt come into the office very often |
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| 20:24.33 | flyboy^ | Hi all. |
| 20:24.43 | flyboy^ | Did kernel.org change some layout around? |
| 20:25.11 | bucky | yeah.. they went to Apach 2.0 |
| 20:25.42 | flyboy^ | Humm, I was thinking more recently, but what they hey. |
| 20:26.55 | beandog | looks nicer |
| 20:27.02 | beandog | I kinda liked the old background though |
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| 20:28.33 | flyboy^ | Anyone in here happen to work, or has worked, with Cadence in Sandy? |
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| 20:30.13 | sjansen | http://mako.yukidoke.org/copyrighteous/reflections/20050218-00.html |
| 20:30.47 | flyboy^ | lol |
| 20:31.24 | hans | wow, the grammar nazi has a new client. |
| 20:32.06 | bucky | flyboy^, why.. have you applied for a job there? |
| 20:32.08 | beandog | copyrighteous? |
| 20:32.37 | beandog | lols thats hilarious |
| 20:33.41 | bucky | http://mako.yukidoke.org/copyrighteous/freesoftware |
| 20:33.44 | bucky | even better |
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| 20:37.26 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart bsc |
| 20:37.30 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart SBC |
| 20:37.30 | beandog | I like his blog software, whatever it is. |
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| 20:38.06 | xbmodder_lappy | are there any good games (not GL) for linux? |
| 20:38.19 | beandog | bzflag is as addictive as ut2004 |
| 20:38.25 | beandog | dunno if its GL tho |
| 20:38.29 | Jayce^ | it is |
| 20:38.36 | Jayce^ | what kind of game are you looking for |
| 20:38.44 | xbmodder_lappy | a fun one. |
| 20:38.52 | beandog | kpat :) |
| 20:38.53 | Jayce^ | still need more info. |
| 20:38.55 | flyboy^ | beandog: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pyblosxom/ |
| 20:39.19 | beandog | ah, thankee |
| 20:39.20 | flyboy^ | beandog: Don't know that for sure, just a guess. |
| 20:39.23 | xbmodder_lappy | ask me any yes/no question and i will elaborate |
| 20:39.34 | JoshH | xbmodder: are you sick of your xbox? |
| 20:39.39 | beandog | heh |
| 20:39.40 | beandog | http://pyblosxom.sourceforge.net/blog/static/features |
| 20:40.10 | flyboy^ | hehe |
| 20:40.18 | Jayce^ | cloning again :) |
| 20:40.19 | tensai | if you view source, you'll notice the CSS class names are 'blosxom*'. probably is then |
| 20:40.22 | flyboy^ | Wow - that's amazing! Look at all those features. |
| 20:40.38 | flyboy^ | tensai: That's how I made the guess. |
| 20:41.12 | beandog | that python one doesnt seem like the same one though |
| 20:41.33 | mrpull | it has lots of features! |
| 20:42.18 | flyboy^ | Here is the link to the other one: http://www.blosxom.com/ |
| 20:42.40 | Jayce^ | blosxom is quite nice, simple |
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| 20:42.51 | flyboy^ | "Weblogging in under 15 minutes or your money back ;-)" |
| 20:42.56 | beandog | and its pronounced "blossom" ... naturally. |
| 20:42.58 | levi | Hey, if you want to use the blosxom model, and you want to write modules in Python instead of Perl for personal reasons, why not? |
| 20:43.17 | bucky | i like pyblosxom |
| 20:43.18 | bucky | http://www.sauria.com/blog/computers/internet/weblogs/pyblosxom |
| 20:44.12 | levi | I was looking around recently for a discussion of the scalability/performance issues that go along with file-based blog software like blosxom and how they're dealt with. |
| 20:44.21 | levi | But I didn't find any. |
| 20:45.48 | bucky | Ted Leung did a re-write on pyblosxom because of those issues ( he has 1400 such files on his personal blog ).... he blogged about his design philosophy |
| 20:46.55 | levi | I somehow missed pybloxsom when looking at weblog software. Found regular blosxom and blojsom, but I'd rather read Python code to figure out how it works. |
| 20:47.11 | bucky | ic |
| 20:47.16 | xbmodder_lappy | JoshH, not sick just don't want to get away from lappy |
| 20:47.26 | xbmodder_lappy | ~makeout lappy |
| 20:47.54 | JoshH | get zsnes and some roms :) |
| 20:48.11 | JoshH | lots of fun, no GL necessary |
| 20:48.43 | beandog | what are the others written in |
| 20:49.02 | levi | Perl and Java |
| 20:49.17 | beandog | Ah |
| 20:49.22 | beandog | Finally found the Perl one. Good grief. |
| 20:50.09 | levi | I don't like reading Perl code, and Java, while clearer to me, is far more verbose. |
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| 20:51.33 | bucky | levi, so how are you today? |
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| 20:52.44 | levi | Hey, I'm not making any comments that aren't either obviously true or obviously my opinion and not an attack on others. |
| 20:52.51 | levi | I'm doing pretty well, despite lack of sleep. |
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| 20:53.41 | onetwig | studying too much levi? |
| 20:53.47 | beandog | too much kotor2? |
| 20:54.01 | levi | Too much work. |
| 20:54.48 | beandog | oh boy. |
| 20:54.48 | beandog | http://js.hu/package/blosxom.php/ |
| 20:54.50 | beandog | add php to the mix |
| 20:55.44 | levi | I'm already using php, but it doesn't really interest me too much. |
| 20:55.45 | orbit | still needs a few more features, but it powers a couple of my sites. |
| 20:56.28 | levi | I'm going to be writing a simple blog server using Lisp. I was attracted to the bloxsom model due to its simplicity, but I'm trying to figure out the tradeoffs before I start implementing. |
| 20:57.44 | bucky | blosxom looks like xml on their site |
| 20:58.08 | levi | Well, I certainly won't be using XML for storage. |
| 20:58.26 | sjansen | blosxom uses text |
| 20:58.39 | Jayce^ | simple text files.. |
| 20:58.55 | bucky | why is the font so small? :( |
| 20:59.05 | Jayce^ | what font? |
| 20:59.07 | brigham | what font is it using? Looks nice to me. |
| 20:59.20 | bucky | http://www.blosxom.com/ |
| 20:59.51 | Jayce^ | looks fine here |
| 21:00.59 | sjansen | bucky: Let me guess, you're using IE? |
| 21:01.19 | bucky | firefox |
| 21:02.21 | beandog | heh, what a nut - http://mako.yukidoke.org/copyrighteous/ip/20040901-03.html |
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| 21:10.31 | Bradipo | Anyone know if you can pass variable in a command= option for an SSH key? |
| 21:11.16 | xbmodder_lappy | no. |
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| 21:12.09 | Newsome | No, you can't? Or no, nobody knows?" |
| 21:12.24 | xbmodder_lappy | i'll take the second... read the man page |
| 21:14.46 | xbmodder_lappy | gimp me! |
| 21:16.45 | macnewbold | ~gimp xbmodder_lappy |
| 21:16.54 | macnewbold | ~gimp |
| 21:16.55 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, gimp is the scourge of the kompany, or an excellent image manipulation program. 2.0 is now stable and it has MANY, MANY improvements over the 1.x series. Pick it up NOW. |
| 21:16.55 | levi | Wow, the pyblosxom code is pretty darn simple. |
| 21:17.31 | macnewbold | ~gimp is also *_GREAT_*! |
| 21:17.32 | ibot | okay, macnewbold |
| 21:20.42 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 21:20.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ~gimp |
| 21:20.51 | ibot | from memory, gimp is the scourge of the kompany, or an excellent image manipulation program. 2.0 is now stable and it has MANY, MANY improvements over the 1.x series. Pick it up NOW. *_GREAT_*! |
| 21:24.49 | Bradipo | xbmodder_lappy: I'm all to happy to read a man page, provided that man page has the documentation. |
| 21:25.02 | Bradipo | I have never seen the syntax for command= in any SSH man pages though. |
| 21:28.37 | beandog | Bradipo: cant you just do ssh steve@mybox.com "ENV=123 command" or something? |
| 21:28.51 | Bradipo | I thought of doing something like that. |
| 21:29.00 | Bradipo | But then I have to rewrite command on the remote side to look for ENV |
| 21:29.12 | Bradipo | Instead of command $1 |
| 21:29.44 | beandog | What command are you trying to execute remotely? |
| 21:30.08 | beandog | And shouldnt the shell pick up that environment variable anyway before running the command? |
| 21:31.29 | Bradipo | Not sure if the local shell is passed to the remote side. |
| 21:32.00 | Bradipo | I'm trying to avoid modifying the remote command (script) because it isn't mine. |
| 21:32.15 | Bradipo | It takes one parameter, but isn't always the same. |
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| 21:32.28 | tensai | ssh localhost 'FOO=bar; echo $FOO' seems to work |
| 21:33.57 | Bradipo | We are talking about the same thing right? |
| 21:34.19 | Bradipo | I'm talking about putting command="echo $1" 1024 1ab1aaa... in a ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file |
| 21:38.39 | Bradipo | This forces the user of the key to only execute that command. |
| 21:38.54 | sjansen | Bradipo: Have you looked at the ssh_config/sshd_config SendEnv/AcceptEnv options? |
| 21:41.46 | sjansen | This note also looks interesting: |
| 21:42.18 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.18 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.18 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.18 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.28 | WoodsDog | hmmm..that might beable to be useful |
| 21:42.53 | WoodsDog | i wonder if you could create dynamic ssh keys with the use of command= in the authorized_keys file |
| 21:44.21 | Bradipo | There's an idea. |
| 21:44.53 | WoodsDog | that could be cool! passing variables that way with ssh |
| 21:45.15 | Bradipo | What I have done in the past is written both ends to use stdin/stdout |
| 21:45.25 | Bradipo | But this time I don't have control over the remote script. |
| 21:45.50 | Bradipo | Being able to pass variables would be cool though. |
| 21:46.11 | WoodsDog | yes it would..i have tried to do that before, but couldn't figure out a good way to do it |
| 21:46.16 | Bradipo | Novell just sent me a nice looking piece of mail with Novell Linux Deskop 9 in it. |
| 21:46.18 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 21:46.46 | Bradipo | Its an Eval kit. |
| 21:49.53 | xbmodder_lappy | what? |
| 21:49.55 | brigham | what are at least 10 things an Inode tracks? (question form). |
| 21:50.06 | xbmodder_lappy | DIE BRIGHAM! |
| 21:50.41 | flyboy^ | Didn't we ask this question earlier? ;-) |
| 21:52.35 | flyboy^ | file name, size, uid, gid, perms, flags, atime, mtime, ctime, block, link count, file acl, dir acl, file type. |
| 21:52.39 | mrpull | what are the license resrictions on the NLD9 kit? |
| 21:52.40 | flyboy^ | There is a tast for ya. |
| 21:53.00 | flyboy^ | *taste. Server problems at 3am need to stop. |
| 21:54.35 | brigham_will_die | server problems at 12:30 am need to stop! |
| 21:54.43 | brigham_will_die | why do servers die late at night/ |
| 21:54.43 | brigham_will_die | ? |
| 21:55.22 | beandog | heh. I emailed the blogger. he's using pyblosxom |
| 21:55.51 | brigham_will_die | wtf |
| 21:55.54 | brigham_will_die | wtf? |
| 21:55.56 | brigham | wtf is what the flip |
| 21:56.12 | brigham_will_die | ~wtf |
| 21:56.18 | *** part/#utah RyanE (~ryan@65.73.184.226) |
| 21:58.48 | flyboy^ | Servers die late at night because of moon phases that are in allignment with Saturn - duh. |
| 21:59.18 | flyboy^ | That, and Russian hackers using ESP to wreak havok with capitalist american pigs computer netowrks. |
| 22:00.56 | sjansen | You know, I enjoy writing assembly (in moderation). |
| 22:01.27 | sjansen | Can't say I expected TeX to give me the chance though... |
| 22:02.17 | flyboy^ | Russians are jealous of our skills: You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Russians only want enemies who have great skills. And ligers. |
| 22:10.27 | Bradipo | mrpull: Not sure what the restrictions are, but apparently they don't mind sending a copy to SCO. :-) |
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| 22:19.46 | brigham_will_die | Name ONE thing that your windows comp can do that my sister's MAC can't |
| 22:19.57 | Jayce^ | umm |
| 22:20.11 | Bradipo | Blue Screen of Death! |
| 22:20.37 | xilch|w | compile VB apps? |
| 22:20.51 | Newsome | Execute virii correctly? |
| 22:21.10 | brigham_will_die | hah |
| 22:23.05 | sjansen | xilch|w: RealBASIC for Mac is VB compatible. |
| 22:25.25 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.41 | hans | is that the helo or the domain part of the email that it's trying to match with the reverse dns? |
| 22:30.49 | beandog | double as a doorstop? |
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| 22:31.43 | spr | ah, nothing beats using your laptop while sitting on our porch |
| 22:32.22 | hans | spr: actually jealous people on IRC beat you when you talk about it. ;-) |
| 22:32.43 | Jayce^ | wait, spr, you want to use *my* laptop, on *your* porch?! :) |
| 22:33.31 | Bradipo | My guess would be the IP. |
| 22:33.55 | Bradipo | What's the IP of the server connecting to mail2.dol.state.ga.us? |
| 22:34.10 | hans | 204.96.22.194 which resolves to 2.wencor.com |
| 22:34.21 | hans | (unimaginitive, I know) |
| 22:34.32 | Bradipo | Ahh, but 2.wencor.com doesn't resolve. |
| 22:34.50 | Bradipo | 2.wencor.com doesn't resolve to 204.96.22.194 more specifically. |
| 22:35.02 | hans | so if it did, they would be happy? |
| 22:35.09 | Bradipo | That would be my guess. |
| 22:35.16 | Bradipo | I do the same thing on my mail server. :-) |
| 22:35.31 | Bradipo | If they are going to claim they are some domain, they forward domain better match. |
| 22:35.50 | spr | Jayce^, thank you for the offer. You can drop it off tonight :) |
| 22:36.20 | Jayce^ | sit that on your lap.. |
| 22:36.21 | Bradipo | hans: Not many people block email based on missing PTRs, but at least now you cannot say I am the only one. ;-) |
| 22:36.57 | Bradipo | Missing PTRs or that have incorrect forward A records. |
| 22:37.15 | spr | foiled again! |
| 22:37.22 | hans | I didn't realize they were doing a reverse lookup and then doing a forward lookup. that makes more sense than what I thought they were complaining about (2.wencor.com != wencor.com) |
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| 22:38.22 | Bradipo | Yeah, that wouldn't make much sense. |
| 22:39.46 | beandog | man my mozilla is freaking fooobarred. |
| 22:41.08 | neybar | hans: I just had the same problem on one of the mail servers that I admin. I was getting mail returned saying that it failed verifcation. I just had my ISP update their DNS entry for the PTR record so that a reverse dns lookup on my ip returned the same as what was being broadcast in the ehlo |
| 22:43.40 | neybar | Bradipo: along the same vein as what hans was just working on, how should the dns records look for secondary domains on a mail server... ex my mail server has 5 different domains and IP that it services. The primary domain is resolving correctly, how do I deal with the 4 other secondary domains |
| 22:44.06 | Bradipo | Most people that check PTR don't care about the different domains. |
| 22:44.18 | sjansen | "You might want to review the page-breaking algorithm explained at the beginning of this chapter, before reading further. On the other hand, maybe you don't really want to read the rest of this chapter at all, ever." |
| 22:44.21 | Bradipo | In fact, I think it is actually bad to check the domain in the HELO against the sender. |
| 22:44.28 | Bradipo | That breaks many virtual domain configurations. |
| 22:45.21 | Bradipo | And indeed, checking the sender domain against the HELO argument is generally not recommended. |
| 22:45.38 | Bradipo | So I wouldn't worry about it, just make sure PTR and A records are setup appropriately for the IP of the mail server. |
| 22:46.18 | Bradipo | neybar: You haven't had people reject email because the sender domain didn't match the domain of the host listed in HELO have you? |
| 22:47.16 | neybar | well I don't know if that was it specifically, the the PTR was wrong, reverse lookup on my domain until very recently looked like cust-555-555-555-555. |
| 22:47.51 | Bradipo | As long as cust-555-555-555-555 returned the right IP that shouldn't have caused problems. |
| 22:48.08 | neybar | no it didn't. |
| 22:49.38 | neybar | so the ehlo really had nothing at all to do with it? it was purely the incorrect PTR? |
| 22:49.53 | Bradipo | That would be my guess. |
| 22:49.56 | tensai | the one cast that's useful to block based on HELO is when the HELO is *your* address. For some stupid reason spammers do that. |
| 22:50.17 | Bradipo | Indeed. |
| 22:50.28 | Bradipo | HELO joespammer@spammer.com should be blocked. |
| 22:50.30 | neybar | oh well, my research was faulty, but at least my fix was right... by happy coincidence |
| 22:50.37 | Bradipo | Or rather, could be without seriously impacting normal email. |
| 22:51.02 | Bradipo | In fact, any email address in the HELO is most likely spammer. |
| 22:51.33 | tensai | I've never seen email address. I'm talking about HELO bradipo.com or HELO <ip of Bradipo.com> |
| 22:51.44 | tensai | when your server is bradipo.com |
| 22:51.51 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 22:53.34 | Bradipo | I would rather not have to block anything. |
| 22:53.43 | Bradipo | The more that is blocked, the more headaches there are. |
| 22:56.36 | jsmith | Anybody else getting 503 errors on Slashdot today? |
| 23:03.08 | tensai | jsmith: every now and again. not today though. |
| 23:04.18 | tensai | I haven't noticed it as much since I started reading it via RSS. Usually the stories are still active, just the front page is 503. |
| 23:07.00 | jsmith | tene: Today, the front page is OK, but the underlying stories give me a 503 (and yes, I'm reading it via RSS too) |
| 23:07.13 | Bradipo | Anyone know who Virtmundo is? |
| 23:08.00 | tensai | jsmith: I believe it but I'm not experiencing it |
| 23:08.15 | tene | That's nice. |
| 23:08.21 | tene | so... what are you talking about? |
| 23:08.25 | jsmith | tensai: It's working now. |
| 23:08.41 | tene | ~lart tene |
| 23:08.54 | tensai | tene: he's talking to me. mine, all mine! |
| 23:09.40 | tene | Yes, I know. I'm just being a jerk. |
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| 23:39.40 | Maquis | |roulette |
| 23:39.42 | brigham | Maquis: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
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| 23:40.43 | TimRiker | ~piglatin he source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, fslc.usu.edu, etc. Utah Windows Admins Anonymous: utwaa.org |
| 23:41.15 | TimRiker | heh. inner-word punctuation does not work. |
| 23:41.51 | Maquis | TimRiker: hi! |
| 23:42.00 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, grats... hope it goes well |
| 23:42.08 | TimRiker | anything interesting in the OSS world happening tomorrow night? |
| 23:42.15 | Bradipo | Where you interviewing? |
| 23:42.18 | Jayce^ | nah, not any friday's |
| 23:42.31 | TimRiker | talking to realm systems tomorrow. |
| 23:42.35 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, did thayne get ahold of you? he seemed excited when I mentioned you were looking.. |
| 23:42.36 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 23:42.39 | Maquis | realm systems? |
| 23:42.49 | TimRiker | where thayne works. |
| 23:43.21 | Jayce^ | anywhere else? |
| 23:43.38 | TimRiker | heh. I talked to em at CES in Jan. you'd have to be before that. |
| 23:43.45 | TimRiker | Jayce^: not this trip. |
| 23:43.46 | Jayce^ | dang |
| 23:45.27 | Maquis | TimRiker: realm systems has a cool website... |
| 23:45.36 | Maquis | what're you interviewing to do with them? |
| 23:45.54 | Jayce^ | TimRiker, you think you have a good chance to get what you want there? |
| 23:46.46 | Bradipo | Leaves No Trace - When you dock the device in any computer with a USB interface, the MPS takes over the computer monitor, keyboard, mouse, and Internet connection - all without leaving a trace. |
| 23:47.24 | Jayce^ | yeah, hearing the description from thayne, they had some spiffy stuff going on |
| 23:47.37 | Jayce^ | I liked him talking about stuff he was doing with qemu |
| 23:49.03 | Maquis | wait... |
| 23:49.06 | Maquis | so, i'm kinda curious... |
| 23:49.27 | Maquis | this MPS thing... is it kind of like opening up a graphical screen session on a usb device? |
| 23:49.38 | Maquis | (did that question even make sense?) |
| 23:50.28 | TimRiker | from what I know from the CES show, its a dual ppc computer with stoage in a usb device. uses vnc-like interface to run the apps on the device. you plug in and up pops your desktop as you left it. |
| 23:50.47 | Bradipo | Ahh, so its a remote access system. |
| 23:51.19 | TimRiker | remote? well if you conside a usb storage device "remote storage" then sure I suppose. |
| 23:51.20 | Jayce^ | runs on linux, win, osx |
| 23:51.38 | Bradipo | I mean, the USB provides you with remote access to a server somewhere on the Internet. |
| 23:51.46 | Jayce^ | it's porting your apps/data, securly between systems |
| 23:51.53 | Bradipo | Or are you saying the Dual PPC computers is in the USB device? |
| 23:51.54 | TimRiker | Bradipo: no. the device _is_ the server. |
| 23:51.58 | Bradipo | Nice. |
| 23:51.58 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 23:52.03 | Maquis | but it says that every time you try to use it, it connects to a router |
| 23:52.14 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, you missed the description at the plug meeting :-p |
| 23:52.28 | Bradipo | Yeah, kind of helps if I'm actually *at* the PLUG meeting. :-) |
| 23:52.30 | TimRiker | Maquis: can if configured keep a backup SomeplaceElse(tm) |
| 23:52.38 | Maquis | ah... |
| 23:52.52 | Maquis | so, it keeps the exact state of whatever you're working on |
| 23:53.06 | TimRiker | Maquis: it _is_ what you were working on. |
| 23:53.15 | Jayce^ | fungus, nupm munges headers too :) |
| 23:53.21 | TimRiker | think of it as a laptop without a display or keyboard. |
| 23:53.23 | Maquis | does it launch in the equivalent program on whatever operating system that you use it on? or does it provide it's own OS, or what? |
| 23:53.40 | Maquis | does it have all the apps and everything built in? |
| 23:53.59 | Bradipo | The Realm MPS represents the world's first and only secure, platform-independent, USB-powered computing device. Users can easily plug the MPS into any computer USB port (regardless of operating system) to safely and securely access their Web-enabled enterprise applications any place there is a network connection |
| 23:54.01 | TimRiker | Maquis: from the demos, I'd say it runs it's own OS. from my interest, you can guess which OS. |
| 23:54.12 | Maquis | :) |
| 23:54.13 | Bradipo | This is what led me to believe that it required some kind of web application server somewhere. |
| 23:54.37 | Maquis | the diagram linked to by the website makes it look like it requires some sort of internet connection |
| 23:54.41 | Maquis | sjansen: what's wrong? |
| 23:54.45 | fungus | Jayce^, it didn't munge the last one I received that you sent. |
| 23:55.06 | sjansen | Two straight days of TeX, and probably at least another two to go. |
| 23:55.08 | fungus | at least not the Reply-To header. |
| 23:55.09 | TimRiker | Bradipo: think of it as a laptop without a display or keyboard with vpn software installed on it. |
| 23:55.19 | Bradipo | Right. |
| 23:55.33 | Maquis | sjansen: i'm sorry... anything i can do to help? (with my limited knowledge)???? |
| 23:55.58 | Bradipo | But what do you need the VPN for if it is all contained on the USB device? |
| 23:56.15 | Bradipo | For example, a document that I'm typing and decide I want to continue later. |
| 23:56.19 | TimRiker | Bradipo: from what I hear? no. but it's there for your "corporate connection" |
| 23:56.20 | Maquis | goozbach: you around? |
| 23:56.26 | Bradipo | Ahh. |
| 23:56.36 | Bradipo | I'm just reading: http://www.realmsys.com/solutions.htm |
| 23:57.07 | Bradipo | I like being able to turn off access with the Soba router. |
| 23:57.18 | Maquis | Bradipo: there's a diagram linked to at the bottom of that page |
| 23:57.23 | Bradipo | Remotely Disable User Accounts - Should an MPS be lost or stolen, the SOBA router can render the missing device useless in a few seconds. It will disable the user account the next time the MPS tries to connect to the SOBA router, and the connection will fail. |
| 23:57.30 | Maquis | it might help you figure out what's going on (confused me, but hey... i'm a newbie) |
| 23:57.42 | Bradipo | Someone loses their laptop its a pain. This way its easy. |
| 23:58.49 | hans | sounds real cool. TimRiker if realm doesn't work out I know joshc is looking for people like you |
| 23:59.03 | Jayce^ | hans, already had him talk to joshc :) |
| 23:59.12 | hans | shucks. I wanted that finders fee. ;-) |
| 23:59.21 | Jayce^ | me too |
| 23:59.28 | Jayce^ | think sjansen got the credit for byronc :) |
| 23:59.42 | Jayce^ | right |