| 00:01.17 | findlay | would I be able to connect at all on a NAT with a SIP phone without using STUN, or would that be ths source of my microphone troubles? |
| 00:01.55 | hans | no clue, haven't messed with sip |
| 00:02.13 | hans | I would try to verify you can record before bothering with anything else though. |
| 00:02.16 | hans | audacity |
| 00:04.14 | findlay | but I can hear the microphone input with the speakers |
| 00:05.33 | hans | i wouldn't consider that proof that you will be recording. |
| 00:05.44 | findlay | OK |
| 00:07.09 | findlay | yet another family member to prank... (: |
| 00:14.36 | findlay | somebody should make an alsa frontend and call it salsa |
| 00:27.12 | findlay | hans: no luck, although I can record |
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| 00:54.09 | goozbach | blasted... a clothing optional hot-tub party, and I'm gonna be in VA |
| 01:06.24 | goozbach | perl perl perl! |
| 01:07.10 | findlay | thanks for all the help hans |
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| 01:12.07 | goozbach | works every time |
| 01:12.12 | goozbach | fozz just showed up |
| 01:12.22 | sjansen | ~whack goozbach |
| 01:12.24 | ibot | ACTION whacks goozbach upside the head. |
| 01:12.41 | sjansen | ~challenge goozbach to a game of scorched |
| 01:13.35 | goozbach | ~delay sjansen for 45min |
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| 01:22.36 | goozbach | nobody wants to be my friend |
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| 01:23.01 | fishyfire | ??? |
| 01:23.11 | usynic | !!! |
| 01:23.22 | goozbach | I gave friendship braclets and they all threw them away |
| 01:23.37 | goozbach | *snif* |
| 01:23.46 | fishyfire | they? |
| 01:23.46 | brigham | they are just plain regular unglorified integer arrays? |
| 01:24.01 | goozbach | coworkers mostly |
| 01:24.02 | fishyfire | not arrays!!!!!!!!! anything but arrays!!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:25.00 | fishyfire | hmm |
| 01:28.15 | sjansen | goozbach: At least you finally know. |
| 01:28.21 | sjansen | We were getting tired of pretending. |
| 01:29.20 | goozbach | heh |
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| 01:34.20 | hans | helo from selena's |
| 01:34.34 | sjansen | free wireless? |
| 01:36.41 | hans | yup |
| 01:36.53 | sjansen | un-filtered outgoing smtp? |
| 01:37.16 | hans | at least until tomorrow |
| 01:37.23 | hans | so hurry if you want to send spam |
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| 01:59.03 | drewbono | Is anyone here familiar with bind? |
| 01:59.13 | drewbono | I'm trying to transfer it from a redhat box to a debian box... |
| 02:03.44 | goozbach | blarg |
| 02:04.41 | drewbono | Is that a no? |
| 02:04.41 | drewbono | :-) |
| 02:06.07 | beandog | what does the plug website use for their announcement? I forgot the name. |
| 02:07.14 | beandog | hans, do you know? |
| 02:09.17 | goozbach | bricolage |
| 02:09.27 | goozbach | sjansen says so. |
| 02:10.10 | beandog | thanks goozbach |
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| 02:53.23 | Maquis | |lart emcnabb |
| 02:53.55 | Maquis | goozbach: you still at work? |
| 02:54.27 | emcnabb | can anyone else not get to kernel.org? |
| 02:55.02 | Maquis | emcnabb: i'm checking |
| 02:55.15 | Maquis | doesn't look like it's going to show up though... |
| 02:55.53 | emcnabb | of all times to be down... |
| 02:57.38 | Maquis | emcnabb: what do you need it for? |
| 02:59.28 | emcnabb | I just need an older version of the kernel to test something on |
| 02:59.38 | Maquis | how old? |
| 02:59.38 | brigham | how old are u? |
| 03:01.06 | emcnabb | I found a copy of it |
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| 03:20.38 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 03:22.38 | fishyfire | ? |
| 03:22.46 | tensai | Maquis: haven't you graduated yet? |
| 03:24.47 | fishyfire | kernel.org is working for me... |
| 03:26.50 | Maquis | tensai: i've still got a while |
| 03:27.51 | tensai | figured you were complaining about cs 345 again |
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| 03:28.34 | Maquis | tensai: yeah... on and off.. |
| 03:28.42 | Maquis | i'd like to graduate... |
| 03:28.52 | tensai | it's really nice |
| 03:29.00 | tensai | I highly recommend it |
| 03:30.26 | emcnabb | fishyfire, I still can't get to it |
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| 04:17.06 | tensai | I'm trying out xfce. So far so good. It's definitely less memory intensive than KDE. |
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| 04:18.53 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 04:18.56 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
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| 04:21.24 | brailsmt_ | is there a way to determine my bios from the cmd line? |
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| 05:16.14 | findlay | oops |
| 05:25.52 | goozbach | I have completely saturated all ov my 802.11b connection |
| 05:26.14 | goozbach | buhahaha |
| 05:28.45 | Maquis | goozbach: ??? |
| 05:30.30 | goozbach | my connection is dog slow because of all the downloads I'm doing |
| 05:30.35 | Maquis | oh... |
| 05:31.25 | Maquis | |urls |
| 05:31.26 | brigham | [2005/02/21 13:19:25] <bucky> http://sourceforge.net/projects/shtoom/ |
| 05:31.26 | brigham | [2005/02/21 13:16:22] <bucky> http://siphon.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:31.26 | brigham | [2005/02/21 12:56:02] <mheath> http://revolution.datamachine.net/ |
| 05:31.26 | brigham | [2005/02/18 08:30:26] <ibot> http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
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| 05:35.18 | Maquis | weird |
| 05:35.22 | Maquis | what was it like??? |
| 05:35.56 | findlay | everything was so strange, yet so familliar |
| 05:36.03 | Maquis | weird.... |
| 05:36.37 | findlay | like looking at the playground in a mirror, but in a strange dream too |
| 05:40.49 | fishyfire | emcnabb, did you want a link from the page or anything? |
| 05:41.15 | tensai | yuck, I can't stand other irc servers. too many lamers, lusers and kiddies. |
| 05:41.26 | emcnabb | I found what I was looking for |
| 05:41.30 | fishyfire | ok |
| 05:41.51 | fishyfire | any reason why i would be able to get the page to load? |
| 05:42.10 | fishyfire | when others couldn't? |
| 05:58.10 | brailsmt | anyone seen this error, "there are no ebuilds to satisfy sys-devel/gcc-4.2-r4"? |
| 05:58.36 | tensai | 4.2? get too close to a black hole, did you? |
| 05:59.14 | brailsmt | yeah, it sucked the "3." right off the front of the version... |
| 05:59.27 | Maquis | ??? |
| 05:59.29 | tensai | I meant time travel, but sure |
| 05:59.41 | tensai | sounds like a broken meta file |
| 06:00.47 | Maquis | is it supposed to be 3.4.2? |
| 06:00.53 | brailsmt | Maquis: i bet |
| 06:01.08 | Maquis | mine's 3.3.5 |
| 06:01.13 | brailsmt | any guess which metafile? I looked in several likely places already... |
| 06:01.30 | brailsmt | sys-libs/glibc for starters... |
| 06:01.44 | brailsmt | sys-libs/zlib which is pkg that reports the error... |
| 06:01.50 | brailsmt | no luck |
| 06:09.08 | Maquis | brailsmt: that's just weird... |
| 06:09.32 | Maquis | i'm assuming you were trying to emerge something when this came up? |
| 06:10.48 | tene | brailsmt: did you try "emerge metadata"? |
| 06:13.41 | brailsmt | tene: yeah... lemme try again... |
| 06:13.57 | brailsmt | i just upgraded this computer... |
| 06:14.09 | tene | hmm |
| 06:14.17 | brailsmt | from a Celeron 300MHz to a PIII 1GHz, that may be the issue... |
| 06:14.27 | brailsmt | different mobo |
| 06:14.32 | brailsmt | different CPU |
| 06:14.35 | tene | you could always "grep -r "gcc-4.2-r4" /usr/portage/*" |
| 06:14.54 | brailsmt | nothing |
| 06:16.01 | brailsmt | doing it again, nonetheless... |
| 06:22.32 | tensai | strace may help. 'strace emerge ... 2>/tmp/strace.txt'. Then browse strace.txt for 'gcc-4.2-r4' and see what file it was read from. |
| 06:23.36 | tensai | strace -o /tmp/strace.txt would be better, of course. might also want to set -s to something large, like 512 or 1024 rather than the default of 32. |
| 06:24.21 | tensai | that way it'll print more of the strings that get read from files |
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| 06:58.26 | Mecworks | ~convert 600 miles to barleycorns |
| 06:58.36 | Mecworks | thanks ibot! |
| 06:58.48 | tene | ~convert speed of light to furlongs per fortnight |
| 06:59.35 | tene | ~convert 300,000 km/s to furlongs per fortnight |
| 06:59.57 | tene | ~convert 300000 km/s to furlongs per fortnight |
| 07:00.00 | tene | there we go |
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| 07:43.56 | tene | yay (sort of) |
| 07:44.08 | brailsmt_ | new mobo and cpu and ram and soundcard, same everything else |
| 07:44.21 | brailsmt_ | and the cpu is a p3 1GHz |
| 07:44.31 | brailsmt_ | quite an upgrade from a celeron 300MHz |
| 07:44.44 | brailsmt_ | and I knpw have 512MB ram |
| 07:44.46 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 07:44.58 | brailsmt_ | also quite an upgrade from teh 128MB i had |
| 07:45.07 | brailsmt_ | and it was all *FREE* |
| 07:45.17 | brailsmt_ | as in a freind gave it to me... |
| 07:45.23 | tene | yay |
| 07:46.06 | brailsmt_ | i also got a nice (by my standards) nvidia video card... but i have to flash the bios before it will work... |
| 07:46.45 | brailsmt_ | nvidia gf2 64MB on board RAM |
| 07:46.56 | brailsmt_ | best vid card i have ever owned... |
| 07:46.58 | brailsmt_ | :) |
| 07:47.59 | brailsmt_ | i am hoping i can play bzflag with it :) |
| 07:48.16 | tene | you know... I think that I gave a few cards almost that good to DI the other day. |
| 07:49.22 | brailsmt_ | and to top my day off, I got a job interview for later this week... |
| 07:49.24 | brailsmt_ | :D |
| 07:49.52 | tene | yay! |
| 07:50.29 | brailsmt_ | and tommorrow we meet with a real estate agent... |
| 07:50.38 | brailsmt_ | enough about me... |
| 07:51.23 | tene | yeah... because other people are talking... |
| 07:54.59 | brailsmt_ | now, once I get this other computer setup, I should really be having fun... this friend gave me two mobo/cpu + misc hardware... one a p3 1GHz and one p3 1.4GHz... I will setup the 1.4GHz hopefully later this week... |
| 07:55.34 | brailsmt_ | then i can have distcc running on 3 1GHz or better machines, instead of two... |
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| 10:09.13 | tene | someday I need to figure out just how exactly to configure the XSession stuff and such. |
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| 14:16.20 | Maquis | zao an..... |
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| 14:32.58 | Maquis | yay... shower's free!!! |
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| 14:51.48 | hans | |roulette |
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| 15:05.35 | Maquis | |roulette |
| 15:05.35 | brigham | Maquis: chamber 1 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 15:05.59 | goozbach | |roulette |
| 15:06.00 | brigham | goozbach: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 15:06.05 | goozbach | pheww |
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| 15:20.03 | Maquis | for anyone who might be curious, the people who handle the blocking and unblocking of websites here at byu are very interesting people to discuss the topic with |
| 15:20.46 | Maquis | i've corresponded with one of them a number of times regarding the fact that Google Scholar is blocked past the first page of results (or if you try to start a search while in a page of results) |
| 15:21.36 | Maquis | they say that this is done because Google Scholar operates with safe-mode turned off... and i pointed out that there's probably some good reasons why a search engine that only searches scholarly journals might have search mode turned off... |
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| 15:24.25 | Maquis | hmmmm |
| 15:25.01 | Maquis | so, firefox randomly deleted my preference folders, says that my profiles are in use, and when i try to create a new one, it says: |
| 15:25.15 | Maquis | "Profile couldn't be created. Probably the chosen folder isn't writeable. |
| 15:25.39 | Maquis | [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) |
| 15:26.16 | Maquis | [nslToolkitProfileService.createProfile]" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" |
| 15:26.48 | Maquis | location: "JS frame :: chrome://mozapps/content/profile/createProfileWizard.js :: onFinish :: line 213" data: no]" |
| 15:26.52 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.57 | Maquis | has anybody seen this before? |
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| 15:47.30 | Maquis | ummm... |
| 15:48.09 | Maquis | is it normal for my computer to be complaining about read-only filesystems while shutting down??? i wasnt in single-user mode or anything, and i was using the system just fine... |
| 15:48.57 | Uncle_Jesse | anyone have any idea if it is possible in MySQL to lock any field updated from a particular replicated database, and not allow future updates to that field in that particular record from any of the replicated db's except the one that originally made the update? |
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| 15:55.50 | hans | o/~ I feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel you |
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| 16:05.44 | Uncle_Jesse | okay - doesn't seem that MySQL supports dynamic locking with 2-way replication any idea if PostGres will do what I want it to? |
| 16:06.19 | Jayce^ | with replication? no |
| 16:06.37 | Jayce^ | sasha says he'll make a mysql patch for a consulting fee that will do that |
| 16:07.08 | Uncle_Jesse | any idea how much his fee is? |
| 16:07.22 | Uncle_Jesse | it may just be worth it to me |
| 16:09.01 | Jayce^ | he listed it on plug recently, use the search.. something like $5k though... |
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| 16:09.04 | Jayce^ | easy for a business |
| 16:09.37 | Uncle_Jesse | yeah - not bad at all |
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| 16:10.52 | Uncle_Jesse | okay - here's another question for you guys: |
| 16:11.32 | hans | 12 |
| 16:11.33 | Uncle_Jesse | I just got dan's guardian set up with squid yesterday and am transparently forwarding packets through my wrt54g on port 80 to port 8080 on my linux server for Dan's Guardian. |
| 16:11.38 | Uncle_Jesse | thanks hans |
| 16:11.38 | Jayce^ | 42 |
| 16:11.44 | Uncle_Jesse | even better Jayce |
| 16:11.59 | Jayce^ | so, are we going to have a plug lineup for that movie? |
| 16:12.34 | Uncle_Jesse | anyway, when I go to any web page, it pulls up the relative urls, rather than the absolute urls - any idea where I need to look for this? |
| 16:12.50 | hans | I'm just happy when I can find a babysitter to go to a movie these days |
| 16:12.58 | Uncle_Jesse | the dan's guardian access log shows the full urls |
| 16:13.05 | Uncle_Jesse | squid shows the relative urls |
| 16:14.00 | Jayce^ | hans, it does get better |
| 16:14.15 | Jayce^ | thankfully, kelly isn't too interested in this movie, so I get to go see it.. |
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| 16:17.25 | hans | ~swat joshc |
| 16:18.10 | hans | ~spank da bot |
| 16:18.13 | ibot | ACTION bends the bot over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on the bot's pasty white buttocks. |
| 16:18.27 | joshc | i'll take the swat instead of the spank |
| 16:18.27 | Jayce^ | hey hans just got word that erasure will be doing an slc concert this year, kingsbury hall |
| 16:18.30 | hans | that's some trick. |
| 16:18.41 | hans | oh? how much for tickets? |
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| 16:19.13 | Jayce^ | no word yet |
| 16:19.19 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.31 | ECS | |lart Maquis |
| 16:19.37 | Jayce^ | just barely got set up, still dont' have the exact date |
| 16:19.44 | hans | joshc: yeah. And don't forget to pick up your tuition refund if you leave BYU unmarried |
| 16:19.45 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.46 | Jayce^ | (friend of a friend works at united concerts) |
| 16:19.56 | Jayce^ | joshc, yeah, but you love the commodores too :-p |
| 16:20.11 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.15 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.35 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.56 | hans | It just sounds like a gullible person story |
| 16:21.00 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.09 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.09 | Jayce^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.23 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.24 | hans | Jayce^: you have a runaway flag on your note there. ;-) |
| 16:21.27 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.43 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.23 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.33 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.03 | hans | science, the ultimate weapon against gullibility |
| 16:23.03 | dataw0lf | heh. |
| 16:23.06 | dataw0lf | you don't need logs for that. |
| 16:23.19 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.27 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 16:23.36 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.52 | Jayce^ | see, you do like them joshc :) |
| 16:23.56 | hans | did you know that if you run the hurd on your box it speeds the hardware up to twice as fast, even once you're running windows or linux again? |
| 16:24.02 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.06 | Jayce^ | hans, left it open so somebody else could finish it :) |
| 16:24.31 | Jayce^ | last week we did a 'not so newlywed game' at our ward... most people there are my age.. |
| 16:24.46 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.50 | Jayce^ | so one question came to 'your husbands favorite band' |
| 16:25.07 | Jayce^ | as they went down the line, heard lots of 'Pearl Jam', and such.. |
| 16:25.11 | Jayce^ | then it got to the bishop.. |
| 16:25.16 | Jayce^ | "The Commodores" |
| 16:25.21 | Jayce^ | hilarious |
| 16:25.37 | Jayce^ | he stood up, did the disco spin and everything |
| 16:25.49 | Jayce^ | haven't laughed so hard in a long time |
| 16:25.49 | dataw0lf | I thought it was going to be 50 cent, too. |
| 16:28.53 | hans | levi-laptop: http://kerneltrap.org/node/4751 |
| 16:29.58 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: Sasha's post mentions a patch for multi-master replication, but doesn't say anything about locking changes from one database so that only that database can change those fields in the future. Have you ever heard of this capability in any db out there? |
| 16:30.39 | Uncle_Jesse | btw - the OSCON banner on the plug.org page is out of date |
| 16:31.32 | Jayce^ | yeah, poke sjansen about it |
| 16:32.17 | tensai | Uncle_Jesse: instead of using transparent forwarding I recommend explicitly setting the proxy. Transparent stuff causes lots of little problems. |
| 16:32.26 | levi | hans: Sweet. :)\ |
| 16:32.46 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: but then the client can modify the explicit settings |
| 16:33.37 | Uncle_Jesse | I want full central control over that |
| 16:33.40 | Uncle_Jesse | w/ no cost |
| 16:33.51 | tensai | redirect all port 80 traffic to a web page saying "your proxy settings are incorrect. use these." |
| 16:34.00 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: just don't allow unproxied access, and set up the automatic detection |
| 16:34.12 | hans | along with a page like tensai says. |
| 16:34.42 | hans | IE users will never notice, hackers that can get around that can get around your transparent proxy too. |
| 16:34.42 | tensai | transparent proxying is a hack. don't expect anything more out of it. |
| 16:35.11 | tensai | hans: I figured somebody had ported lisp to the kernel |
| 16:35.27 | tensai | what's a genetic algorithm do? the article didn't make sense to me |
| 16:36.36 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: good idea |
| 16:38.27 | hans | a genetic algorithm is a technique for learning something. AI/machine learning |
| 16:38.40 | hans | in this case, I think it's learning the best way to schedule. |
| 16:39.36 | hans | the idea behind a genetic algorithm is to emulate evolution, but genetic algorithms traditionally take much much time to converge on something useful, which is why I haven't looked closely at this before |
| 16:39.40 | Jayce^ | http://www.heraldextra.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=48214&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 |
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| 16:40.03 | hans | but the article points out interesting tweaks they're doing, like speeding things up when things are improving and vice versa |
| 16:40.10 | tensai | hans: so it tries different tactics and keeps track of whether they worked better or worse? |
| 16:40.22 | hans | the whole idea does make a lot of sense for server environments where load is similar most of the time. |
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| 16:41.15 | hans | tensai: sort of. Policies "reproduce" with mutation and survival of the fittest is emulated. |
| 16:42.08 | hans | the normal way is to encode the policy in some linear chromosome-like fashion, where crossover makes sense |
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| 16:58.27 | tensai | ~curse hans for getting that Depeche Mode song stuck in my head |
| 16:58.30 | ibot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, hans for getting that Depeche Mode song stuck in my head ! |
| 16:59.06 | tensai | hans: you're just lucky I have an mp3 of it here |
| 16:59.24 | hans | a great way to kickstart the day |
| 17:01.01 | tensai | ~lart Outlook for breaking threads |
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| 17:03.54 | tensai | ~lart fonts that don't distinctly separate 1 and l |
| 17:04.22 | jnielsendotnet | that's the same letter |
| 17:04.29 | jnielsendotnet | ;) |
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| 17:07.56 | jnielsendotnet | anyone know why the waa signup page doesn't think my email address is valid? |
| 17:08.05 | jnielsendotnet | I've tried a couple |
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| 17:11.46 | tensai | jnielsendotnet: ask your question again for beandog |
| 17:12.02 | beandog | eh? |
| 17:12.27 | jnielsendotnet | any idea why mailman says "you must supply a valid email address" when I try to sign up for waa? |
| 17:12.36 | jnielsendotnet | I've tried a couple different valid email addresses.. |
| 17:12.49 | beandog | are you doing it through the site? |
| 17:12.53 | jnielsendotnet | yeah |
| 17:12.55 | beandog | or through email |
| 17:13.08 | beandog | Yah, the site is little buggy right now. Try just emailing the subscribe email. |
| 17:13.28 | beandog | waa-subscribe@utwaa.org I think.. |
| 17:13.49 | beandog | Id go in there and add you manually, but I cant even do that right now. |
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| 17:13.51 | jnielsendotnet | all right.. now that you mention it I remember a discussion about that on the list. thanks |
| 17:18.53 | beandog | jnielsendotnet: yah, that was the right email address. |
| 17:19.04 | beandog | waa-subscribe@utwaa.org |
| 17:19.16 | jnielsendotnet | good deal |
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| 17:28.49 | hans | yes, a pair of speakers. Now I can survive the wait for my backordered headphones. |
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| 17:30.04 | tensai | what's up with Get Fuzzy today? |
| 17:30.16 | tensai | it's like they printed a half finished comic |
| 17:36.36 | hans | weird. maybe it's the dilbert theme |
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| 17:54.35 | Bradipo | Anyone here using dspam? |
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| 18:04.23 | Newsome | ~lart OIT |
| 18:05.13 | joshc | ~be my friend |
| 18:05.14 | ibot | ACTION hugs joshc |
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| 18:05.46 | Jayce^ | well, there's always one... :) |
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| 18:08.31 | joshc | brigham, why do you have to front? |
| 18:08.31 | brigham | no idea |
| 18:08.38 | joshc | brigham, be my friend |
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| 18:18.22 | hans | tdma or gsm for cell phone? |
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| 18:19.35 | hans | ~lart sjansen |
| 18:19.59 | levi | Hrm. Is tdma AT&T's old system? |
| 18:21.48 | levi | Oh, hrm. GSM uses TDMA. CDMA is what Sprint/Verizon use. |
| 18:22.12 | tensai | levi: I think I heard that somewhere. AT&T chose tdma over gsm and it caused a lot of their problems. |
| 18:22.35 | levi | AT&T doesn't really exist anymore as a cell provider. |
| 18:22.59 | levi | They're owned by Cingular and Cingular has deprecated the old TDMA network in favor of GSM. |
| 18:23.02 | tensai | hence the past tense in my sentence. |
| 18:23.04 | DallinJones | I think that AT&T's old network is LG |
| 18:23.30 | DallinJones | Oh AT&T wireless still exists, but the service is a joke. |
| 18:23.40 | DallinJones | every other call gets dropped. |
| 18:23.52 | hans | heh, cingular. Von has been trying to get a cell phone from them for like 2 months now |
| 18:24.09 | levi | hans: Where'd you come up with the TDMA vs. GSM option? |
| 18:24.20 | levi | Does anyone do a non-GSM TDMA anymore? |
| 18:24.26 | hans | boss is ordering the phone and he asked "GSM or TDMA?" |
| 18:24.41 | levi | What cell provider? |
| 18:24.46 | hans | I, not knowing jack about cell phones, passed the questino on. :) he just said "I'll go with GSM" |
| 18:24.50 | hans | no idea. |
| 18:25.14 | hans | I thought he was talking codecs - GSM is the name of a codec too (probably part of the same spec or something) |
| 18:25.45 | levi | TDMA vs. CDMA are the different methods of getting multiple users on a channel. |
| 18:26.25 | levi | None of TDMA, CDMA, or GSM are codecs. |
| 18:26.56 | tensai | gsm is also the name of a codec. I don't know if they are related but one would think so. |
| 18:28.00 | levi | There are three variants of TDMA: GSM, IDEN, and IS-136. I believe IS-136 is what AT&T used to use. |
| 18:28.42 | levi | GSM uses a codec called EFR. |
| 18:29.15 | levi | No one uses IS-136 anymore, though. |
| 18:29.51 | levi | So, with a new phone, there is (or should be) no way to get TDMA without GSM. |
| 18:30.02 | levi | hans: Perhaps your boss meant to ask CDMA or GSM. |
| 18:30.38 | levi | Either that, or he doesn't realize that no one uses IS-136 anymore. |
| 18:31.01 | hans | who knows. I don't much care. |
| 18:31.11 | tensai | yeah, I'm sure he knows what IS-136 is |
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| 18:31.31 | joshc | ~lart AT&T |
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| 18:33.38 | fozz | \ |
| 18:34.38 | fozz | So there. |
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| 18:41.01 | DallinJones | I agree with joshc |
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| 18:43.34 | Jayce^ | which at&t.. the one sold to Cingular, or the one sold to SBC :-p |
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| 18:46.41 | tensai | they've probably laid off half the at&t employees, so it's possible |
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| 19:17.04 | sjansen | heh |
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| 19:23.19 | jnielsendotnet | the first movie? |
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| 19:24.31 | jnielsendotnet | v ger.. I just watched it the other night |
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| 19:26.03 | jnielsendotnet | it's too bad the planet of sentient machines never showed up again |
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| 19:27.06 | jnielsendotnet | yeah, I did notice the similarity |
| 19:27.24 | jakea | borg? |
| 19:28.06 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:28.08 | jnielsendotnet | resistance is feudal |
| 19:28.24 | jakea | I thought resistance is fugal |
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| 19:28.52 | jakea | ah |
| 19:29.06 | jakea | Star Trek the Slow Motion Picture |
| 19:29.09 | jnielsendotnet | very |
| 19:29.16 | jnielsendotnet | they were WAY too proud of all their little spaceship models |
| 19:29.27 | jakea | the way it was recut in the special edition made it okay |
| 19:29.36 | jakea | and the new effects they put in were cool |
| 19:29.54 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:29.54 | jakea | but still, not Khan |
| 19:32.10 | jakea | ;) |
| 19:35.43 | Uncle_Jesse | perhaps it's because I just had a bunch of buffalo wings |
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| 19:37.19 | jakea | mmmmmmmm..... buffalo wings.... |
| 19:37.43 | joshc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:37.55 | sjansen | "Prior to Mailman 2.1, list passwords were kept in crypt'd format -- usually. |
| 19:37.55 | sjansen | Some Python installations didn't have the crypt module available, so they'd |
| 19:37.55 | sjansen | fall back to md5." |
| 19:39.18 | hans | funny, I love eating. It's the leaving the desk to get the food part that gets me. |
| 19:42.03 | hans | st:tmp just has a built-in intermission |
| 19:42.18 | hans | oh, they're entering the cloud now. I'll go make popcorn |
| 19:43.05 | jnielsendotnet | heheh |
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| 20:07.50 | ECS | |lart Maquis |
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| 20:12.52 | sjansen | Security? Security? We don't need no stinking security. |
| 20:13.52 | natester | my mac is reading this with a loud voice |
| 20:15.01 | Newsome | the idiot wanted to meet with me today so that he could discuss the (lack of) security inside the department |
| 20:15.28 | natester | freaking idiot gall |
| 20:16.02 | sjansen | ~lart Newsome for lacking security |
| 20:16.17 | Newsome | it's spr's fault |
| 20:22.14 | *** topic/#utah by natester -> |
| 20:22.24 | natester | oops |
| 20:24.11 | *** topic/#utah by natester -> "The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, fslc.usu.edu, etc. Utah Windows Admins Anonymous: utwaa.org" |
| 20:24.47 | *** topic/#utah by sjansen -> The source for OSS focused discussion in Utah. See plug.org, uug.byu.edu, sllug.org, fslc.usu.edu, etc. Utah Windows Admins Anonymous: utwaa.org |
| 20:26.09 | natester | ~lart /topic |
| 20:26.59 | sjansen | natester: If you use xchat, just edit the topic at the top and press enter when you're done. |
| 20:31.38 | natester | and there is a topic button that clears the topic... hmm useful? |
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| 20:36.08 | Uncle_Jesse | button? what button? |
| 20:37.04 | natester | are you using "conersation" for macosx? |
| 20:37.12 | natester | you would see a button if you were |
| 20:37.25 | natester | s/conersation/conversation |
| 20:38.45 | sjansen | I fought Mailman... and I won! |
| 20:42.24 | sjansen | One thing you gotta give Python. Most python programmers produce pretty clean code. Nothing like PHP. |
| 20:43.53 | tensai | sjansen: there's an X just to the left of the topic. I assume that's the button. |
| 20:44.35 | sjansen | Hovering over it says "close this tab window" not "reset the channel topic" so I don't know... |
| 20:45.14 | sjansen | I though I suppose natester could have encountered a pebkac error... |
| 20:45.29 | tensai | I guess it does say that |
| 20:45.32 | natester | ahem are you using te same client I am yet? |
| 20:46.03 | tensai | heh. I read that wrong. sjansen was the one who mentioned xchat. |
| 20:46.19 | sjansen | natester: why yes, yes I am |
| 20:46.49 | natester | xchat? |
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| 20:53.51 | evil-natester | ~whoop |
| 20:53.52 | ibot | i heard op is a wallet |
| 20:54.06 | evil-natester | ~attack emcnabb |
| 20:54.08 | ibot | ACTION grabs a pen, screams like she's possessed, and begins chasing emcnabb |
| 20:54.25 | natester | ibot is a she? |
| 20:54.29 | spr | yep |
| 20:54.51 | tensai | she'll deny it of course |
| 20:54.52 | tensai | ~gender |
| 20:54.53 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 20:55.08 | natester | ~gender |
| 20:55.10 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
| 20:55.24 | natester | ~sex |
| 20:55.26 | ibot | I'm gay |
| 20:55.37 | tensai | ibot. oh c'mon. quit telling me somebody already said that! |
| 20:56.05 | natester | ~role |
| 20:57.29 | evil-natester | ~gender |
| 20:57.30 | ibot | I'm female |
| 20:57.40 | sjansenII | ibot no you're not |
| 20:58.10 | sjansenII | ~chromasome |
| 20:58.45 | evil-natester | ibot, no gender is <reply>I'm female. Got a problem with that? |
| 20:58.47 | ibot | cannot alter locked factoids, evil-natester |
| 20:59.06 | sjansenII | you are evil trying to alter locked factoids |
| 21:00.28 | sjansenII | ibot, chromasome is <reply>XX naturally |
| 21:00.29 | ibot | sjansenII: okay |
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| 21:24.07 | WoodsDog | Anyone know of an open source multi cast file transfer program? I want to transfer data from one machine to two machines, in one pass. |
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| 21:55.59 | hans | WoodsDog: I've done a cursory look, nothing stuck out at me. |
| 21:56.14 | hans | bittorrent might work for your needs. |
| 21:56.52 | tene | no, bt goes out to both machines, and both machines send to each other |
| 21:56.54 | hans | with only two boxes, depending on the network topology you might get some performance improvement with it. |
| 21:57.12 | tene | with multicast, you just have a single outgoing stream that goes to both boxes. |
| 21:57.25 | hans | I know it's not the same, but it might be good enough |
| 21:57.29 | tene | hmm |
| 21:57.37 | tene | that's a good point |
| 21:58.01 | hans | for us. |
| 21:58.03 | sjansen | can netcat listen for multicast traffic? |
| 21:58.06 | hans | er, it wasn't for us. |
| 21:58.20 | mrpull | any gps geeks in the house? |
| 21:58.35 | natester | yeah come visit the cache |
| 21:59.33 | mrpull | i've got some tracks to dump, but realized I don't have any software installed on my new computer |
| 21:59.47 | tene | WoodsDog: search for "multicast" on freshmeat |
| 21:59.52 | tene | I see several likely hits |
| 22:00.08 | mrpull | any suggestions for (mainly windows) gps software? |
| 22:00.11 | tene | Flamethrower, Broadway, Emcast, etc. |
| 22:00.21 | natester | mrpull i never looked into map stuff |
| 22:00.37 | mrpull | quakemap is a cool app. |
| 22:01.32 | mrpull | mapping software is notoriously expensive and crappy. I was hoping something popped up while I wasn't looking. |
| 22:01.52 | natester | google does maps now |
| 22:02.27 | mrpull | that's true. I just recalled that someone did some hacks on google maps to enable some gps functions. |
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| 22:11.51 | tene | sjansen: nc can't, but emcast is a multicast nc workalike |
| 22:12.13 | hans | well there you go, that's a solution for linux boxes anyway. |
| 22:13.39 | levi | MMU-less systems don't seem to be very high on the totem pole for uClibc and busybox support. |
| 22:29.55 | bucky | hi levi :)) |
| 22:33.58 | levi | Heya. |
| 22:38.10 | bucky | levi, maybe uClibc has for some arch's http://www.uclibc.org/downloads/Changelog.full Date: 2004/01/16 12:43:01 |
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| 22:39.47 | bucky | from their FAQ: Shared Libraries are not currently supported by uClibc on MMU-less systems. |
| 22:40.09 | bucky | SnapGear has implemented shared library support for MMU-less systems, however, so if you need MMU-less shared library support they may be able to help. |
| 22:41.02 | levi | Specifically, there is code in busybox that's just completely broken with regard to uClinux. |
| 22:41.42 | bucky | http://www.cyberguard.com/products/oem_solutions/uClinux.html?lang=de_EN |
| 22:41.46 | bucky | ic |
| 22:41.56 | levi | I don't care about shared libraries right now. |
| 22:42.14 | levi | I do care about inetd and dropbear. |
| 22:43.09 | bucky | dropbear ? |
| 22:44.13 | levi | It's an embedded ssh program. |
| 22:44.26 | levi | ssh for embedded systems, rather. |
| 22:44.37 | bucky | uClinux does not implement fork() and instead it implements vfork()... busybox uses fork() |
| 22:44.54 | bucky | letsee dropbear |
| 22:47.31 | bucky | levi on 0.44test4 they - Fix inetd mode so it actually loads the hostkeys (oops) |
| 22:47.49 | bucky | is your's more recent? |
| 22:48.02 | levi | More recent than what? |
| 22:48.27 | levi | I have dropbear 0.44-r2 |
| 22:48.49 | levi | dropbear inetd mode would probably work fine. It's just not very useful without inetd. |
| 22:48.59 | levi | busybox's inetd is broken. |
| 22:49.06 | bucky | does it replace ssh port 22 |
| 22:49.14 | levi | dropbear does, yes. |
| 22:49.17 | bucky | ic |
| 22:50.55 | bucky | levi, can you use the implementation from another busybox style distro like floppyfw |
| 22:51.15 | bucky | or trinux |
| 22:51.34 | bucky | or leaf |
| 22:52.04 | bucky | good luck ;) |
| 22:53.12 | levi | bucky: Most busybox-style distros are made for archs with MMUs. |
| 22:53.40 | sjansen | Because only luzers don't have MMUs. |
| 22:55.22 | bucky | well if you're running arm.. why not |
| 22:58.55 | levi | I'm not running arm. |
| 22:59.04 | levi | Or m68k. |
| 22:59.16 | bucky | levi, this guy http://www.chriscoughlin.com/news2004.php December 2 |
| 22:59.16 | levi | Or anything else in the standard kernel. |
| 22:59.33 | bucky | uses tiny shell because he couldn't get it to work |
| 23:00.30 | levi | Hmm, interesting. |
| 23:02.19 | levi | Well, after removing the fork from dropbear, it seems to work. I can deal with only having one ssh open at once for now. |
| 23:05.21 | bucky | excellent |
| 23:08.26 | levi | I just want a shell with job control so I don't have to reboot to stop a ping. |
| 23:08.40 | bucky | you fixed it! |
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