| 00:49.56 | spr | I'm Herny the VIII I am... |
| 00:52.55 | tene | Henry the VIII I am I am... |
| 00:57.31 | goozbach | I got married to the widow next door |
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| 03:35.42 | Maquis | sjansen is my hero!!!! |
| 03:41.45 | Maquis | sorry jakea |
| 03:55.30 | LeviHome | What did sjansen do for you? |
| 03:55.56 | Maquis | he spent almost 5 hours helping me figure out why my cs345 project (which was due last tuesday) wasn't working |
| 03:55.57 | brailsmt_ | Maquis: if you would like, I could point you to some counseling... |
| 03:56.17 | LeviHome | Nice. :) |
| 03:56.36 | Maquis | yes, it was nice!!! |
| 03:56.51 | LeviHome | I've got to get back to my house work. :) |
| 03:56.55 | LeviHome | Installing laminate flooring.... |
| 03:56.56 | Maquis | have fun |
| 03:57.00 | Maquis | ooh... cool |
| 03:57.05 | Maquis | don't let it get wet underneath |
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| 04:27.42 | bonez39 | anyone here using a linksys WRT54G |
| 04:27.49 | tensai | bonez39: yup |
| 04:28.22 | bonez39 | tensai: have you read Cringely's article on hacking it with sveasoft? |
| 04:28.53 | tensai | don't know if I've read that one specifically. sounds familiar. I'm running the sveasoft samhadi firmware. |
| 04:30.57 | bonez39 | tensai, that's firmware that's upgrade from what it came with...right? |
| 04:31.40 | bonez39 | Bob Cringely's article talks about how if enough people were running WRT's...they could step around the local telco, or verizon, or cingular.....creating their own network... |
| 04:32.08 | bonez39 | tensai, do you just use yours as an AP for your laptop or for wireless connection at home? |
| 04:43.44 | brailsmt_ | what header do I have to include for std::pair? |
| 04:46.18 | brailsmt_ | nm... |
| 04:48.27 | mheath | Anyone use fvwm? |
| 04:50.38 | mheath | Window managers are starting to drive me insane...looking for a good one |
| 04:50.49 | mheath | Decided I like fvwm, but its a pain to configure it seems |
| 04:50.57 | Maquis | mheath: evilwm.sourceforge.net |
| 04:50.59 | bonez39 | is sawfihs a wm? |
| 04:51.29 | mheath | evilwm is ugly |
| 04:51.32 | bonez39 | does one's wm determine whether alt-tab shows a bar with all apps or not/ |
| 04:51.40 | bonez39 | er..is sawfish..... |
| 04:52.01 | Maquis | bonez39: yes, yes |
| 04:52.04 | mheath | so is sawfish (granted sawfish is the most extensible WM in existance, so it's possible to make it attractive) |
| 04:52.10 | mheath | bonez39: depends |
| 04:52.21 | mheath | Some WM's include that |
| 04:52.37 | Maquis | mheath: why do you think evil is ugly? |
| 04:52.38 | mheath | But others don't, and it's not really included in the ICCCM or FD.O's WM spec |
| 04:52.53 | mheath | Just...is. |
| 04:53.16 | mheath | I don't like blocky things with solid colors and ugly, monospace fonts |
| 04:53.35 | mheath | I like things with roundenss, transparency, eyecandy, shading, shadows..... |
| 04:53.40 | Maquis | ah.. |
| 04:53.43 | Maquis | eye candy... |
| 04:53.50 | mheath | Not heavy eye candy, mind you.. |
| 04:54.35 | mheath | Let me show you a screenshot I *loved* |
| 04:54.41 | Maquis | mmk |
| 04:54.53 | mheath | (I've spent the past two days trying to duplicate it, but haven't been able to due to the fact that FVWM is *hard* to configure) |
| 04:55.32 | mheath | http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=19546968524206ec1962b20&p=screen |
| 04:56.51 | Maquis | hmmmm... |
| 04:56.58 | Maquis | that's not quite my style... :) |
| 04:57.08 | Maquis | but it is cool |
| 04:57.21 | mheath | That + minor changes = exactly what I want |
| 04:57.38 | mheath | Though I don't know how he did it. I can't figure it out. |
| 04:57.41 | Maquis | xian xiao sheng you <something> xi |
| 04:58.10 | Maquis | xian <something> fang xue xue da <something> |
| 04:58.41 | Maquis | doesn't make much sense though... |
| 04:58.53 | Maquis | so, i'm guessing it's japanese... |
| 04:58.59 | mheath | Nor, I'm willing to bet, can anyone who's used that background :D |
| 04:59.06 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:59.09 | Maquis | very possibly |
| 04:59.43 | Maquis | it's depressing how few things i actually can read... |
| 04:59.56 | mheath | Haha. |
| 05:00.00 | Maquis | my pen pal sent me a kindergarten book from china, thinking that i might enjoy it |
| 05:00.04 | mheath | I can sort of read Hiragana.... |
| 05:00.11 | mheath | and I know the days of the week in Kanji |
| 05:00.14 | mheath | And numbers |
| 05:00.15 | mheath | Thats all |
| 05:00.19 | Maquis | after having taken chinese for years, i still can't read the book |
| 05:00.39 | mheath | Maquis: yeah, I know the feeling |
| 05:00.56 | mheath | Actually, the Hiragana chart that we use in Japanese class is photocopied out of the back of a Japanese childrens book |
| 05:01.12 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:01.24 | mheath | And I don't understand a single character in the book, except for the page that talks about counting |
| 05:01.35 | Maquis | at least you have an alphabet... :) |
| 05:01.54 | mheath | Chinese doesn't have a phonic alphabet? |
| 05:01.58 | Maquis | nope |
| 05:02.29 | mheath | Kanji is somewhat phonic in some circumstances, though, isn't it? |
| 05:02.56 | Maquis | well, depends on the character... |
| 05:03.45 | mheath | Kanji is still a very confusing idea to me |
| 05:03.56 | Maquis | if the right radicals are similar, then the characters might sound somewhat similar |
| 05:04.01 | Maquis | but not necessarily |
| 05:04.08 | Maquis | and definitely not exactly the same |
| 05:04.15 | mheath | I'm still trying to perfect my knowledge of Hiragana, so I can stop using Romanji |
| 05:04.49 | jakea | Hirogen? Romulans? What? |
| 05:04.51 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:04.55 | Maquis | |lart jakea |
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| 05:05.09 | Maquis | |lart jakea |
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| 05:05.56 | mheath | |lart window managers that are only configurable by manually editing dozens of weirdly formatted files |
| 05:06.39 | mheath | I was talking to a guy last night, who lives in Japan... |
| 05:06.49 | Maquis | fun! |
| 05:07.02 | mheath | He hasn't bothered to learn the language, though, and has only picked up bits and pieces through the time he spends in a bar. |
| 05:07.18 | mheath | Which led to knowledge of some rather intresting vocabulary, which I'm not sure I wanted to know. |
| 05:08.31 | mheath | IE, the phonic sound that would be used to describe the sound that is made when someones pants are pulled down. |
| 05:08.51 | Maquis | haha |
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| 06:02.23 | goozbach | blah |
| 06:06.55 | Maquis | goo!!! |
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| 06:25.38 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 06:26.10 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 06:35.34 | tene | I've got a question about this hub I have... |
| 06:36.07 | tene | off to the side, it has four ports labelled "Switch A", "Uplink A", "Switch B", "Uplink B" |
| 06:36.45 | tene | and I've got a machine that I'm trying to connect to it. |
| 06:37.04 | tene | It won't show a link light when connected to normal ports, or to a normal uplink port. |
| 06:37.25 | tene | the only place it will get a link light on is the ports labelled "Switch (A|B)" |
| 06:38.14 | tene | and while it's there, it "Just Doesn't Work" |
| 06:38.36 | tene | I strongly suspect that it's just wonkiness with the cable, but I've always wondered what those ports were for. |
| 06:38.42 | tene | As nothing connected to them ever seems to work. |
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| 06:50.01 | Maquis | SpecialK: ~Bob@216.126.221.115 ???? |
| 06:51.47 | LeviHome | mheath: I'm betting most of that desktop is gdesklets stuff. |
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| 08:01.33 | xbmodder_lappy | Why are people who are satanists considered 'wierd' |
| 08:01.59 | tene | ... |
| 08:02.09 | tene | well, what does "wierd" mean in this context? |
| 08:02.20 | tene | or are you just asking about an ambiguous label? |
| 08:06.45 | xbmodder_lappy | wierd means that 'normal' people call satanist wierd |
| 08:07.00 | goozbach | what is 'normal'? |
| 08:07.03 | tene | so you're asking why they apply the label "wierd" to satanists? |
| 08:07.04 | goozbach | it's just a label |
| 08:07.12 | xbmodder_lappy | normal is accepted into society |
| 08:07.16 | goozbach | ~dict wierd |
| 08:07.22 | tene | alright, that's very different. |
| 08:07.26 | xbmodder_lappy | ~dict weird |
| 08:07.35 | goozbach | that too |
| 08:08.04 | tene | do you deny that worshipping satan is strikingly odd or unusual to most people? |
| 08:08.37 | goozbach | soo.. I |
| 08:08.49 | goozbach | 've be awake for 23.5 hours |
| 08:09.57 | Maquis | goozbach: smart |
| 08:10.45 | xbmodder_lappy | statnist don't worship satan |
| 08:12.25 | goozbach | ~dict satanist |
| 08:12.27 | Maquis | from dictionary.com: "satanism: the worship of Satan characterized by a travesty of the Christian rites" |
| 08:12.41 | xbmodder_lappy | tene, i think thats ok... i don't believe in satab anyway |
| 08:13.18 | goozbach | "christians don't belive in Christ" ... |
| 08:13.32 | xbmodder_lappy | really? |
| 08:13.50 | goozbach | mathamaticians don't beleive in math |
| 08:14.11 | goozbach | physicichists don't believe in phyiscs |
| 08:14.32 | xbmodder_lappy | what |
| 08:14.44 | xbmodder_lappy | who said i am a satanist... *whistle* |
| 08:14.46 | goozbach | and electrictians don't beleive in electricity |
| 08:14.47 | tene | xbm: I didn't ask if you think that it's okay or not |
| 08:14.53 | xbmodder_lappy | i am not. |
| 08:15.17 | tene | I asked if you deny that satanism is strikingly odd or unusual to most people. |
| 08:15.26 | tene | It's an uncommon thing. |
| 08:15.34 | xbmodder_lappy | i don't think it is that odd. |
| 08:15.36 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: I'm demonstrating the inane nature of your comment |
| 08:15.56 | tene | I didn't ask you if *you* thought that it was odd. |
| 08:16.04 | tene | read my statement again. |
| 08:16.05 | xbmodder_lappy | tene, i get it... |
| 08:16.16 | xbmodder_lappy | but my question is why do people think it is odd? |
| 08:16.30 | tene | because it's unusual and outside their normal experience, of course. |
| 08:16.34 | tene | ~dict odd |
| 08:17.18 | tene | ~dict 4 odd |
| 08:17.40 | tene | satanism is beyond or deviating from the usual or expected. |
| 08:17.46 | tene | That is true. |
| 08:17.53 | tene | Hence, satanism is truthfully odd. |
| 08:18.12 | tene | and that's why people think that it's odd. |
| 08:18.25 | tene | The same reason that people think that you're male, or that the sky is blue. |
| 08:19.29 | goozbach | ~dict inane |
| 08:20.26 | goozbach | ~dict inanely |
| 08:21.00 | Maquis | ~dict fatuously |
| 08:21.00 | goozbach | ~lart definitions that make you look up other definitions |
| 08:21.14 | Maquis | ~dict vacuously |
| 08:21.22 | Maquis | ~dict vacuous |
| 08:21.36 | goozbach | ... and around we go |
| 08:21.47 | goozbach | ring around the rosy.. |
| 08:21.53 | Maquis | ibot: your dictionary sucks! |
| 08:22.21 | tene | ~dict dict |
| 08:22.26 | tene | ~dict dictionary |
| 08:22.36 | Maquis | ~dict maquis |
| 08:23.08 | Maquis | meh |
| 08:23.13 | Maquis | |lart ibot |
| 08:25.46 | tene | xbm: does that answer your question? |
| 08:25.58 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah, thank you tene |
| 08:26.41 | tene | no problem |
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| 16:06.48 | levi-treo | Good morning. |
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| 16:19.06 | misterpull | http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=64490&page=58&pp=20 |
| 16:19.24 | misterpull | there may be hope for sdio wifi |
| 16:24.59 | mheath | <LeviHome> mheath: I'm betting most of that desktop is gdesklets stuff <---- No, only the system information stuff on the right is |
| 16:25.32 | mheath | er, and the calendar |
| 16:41.07 | Mecworks_ | misterpull, yup - I read a little on that thread yesterday. However, I have a 600, not a 650. There are several companies that would like to make SDIO cards for the 600 and 650 but palm is not forthcoming with some OS level details they need to get their cards to work. C-Guys is one of them. However, there is a company that is making a 802.11 "sled" which is a bit bulky but has the advantage of having its own batteries so that your treo batts are not u |
| 16:41.07 | Mecworks_ | sed for the connection. it retails for 159.00. I expect the street price to be at least $20 less and eventually drop further. |
| 16:41.40 | Mecworks_ | http://www.enfora.com/news_detail.asp?ID=45 |
| 16:42.40 | Mecworks_ | Unfortunately, Verizon also only carries the Treo600....probably more of their effort to controll what the customer can do with connectivity - forcing them to use their overpriced data service. |
| 16:43.06 | Mecworks_ | They don't even want bluetooth in their phones that isn't crippled. |
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| 16:53.07 | hans | /a/way |
| 17:03.56 | bonez39 | tensai, you mentioned running wrt54g..... |
| 17:04.03 | bonez39 | is anyone else? |
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| 18:17.26 | goozbach | ~date |
| 18:17.27 | ibot | Sun Feb 20 18:17:27 2005 |
| 18:17.41 | goozbach | just like I thought |
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| 18:37.27 | erj | compilers don't use garbage collection |
| 18:37.34 | erj | the java runtime will (jvm) |
| 18:37.38 | erj | doh |
| 18:37.40 | erj | sorry guys |
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| 19:05.39 | findlay | is there an easy way to remove duplicate lines in a file with a shell command? |
| 19:08.15 | brailsmt_ | findlay: uniq |
| 19:08.41 | brailsmt_ | though it only works properly on sorted lists... |
| 19:08.56 | brailsmt_ | so you see a lot of 'cmd | sort | uniq' |
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| 19:11.52 | findlay | brailsmt_: thanks |
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| 19:31.48 | misterpull | anyone think http://www.mockup.org/ will fly? |
| 19:53.16 | LeviHome | misterpull: No. |
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| 20:11.42 | xbmodder | Utah Windows Admins Anonymous < aa for windows |
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| 21:45.05 | tensai | bonez39: yeah, I've got a wrt54g. I use it as an access point. Works great. |
| 21:45.13 | Maquis | ok |
| 21:45.18 | Maquis | i just learned something interesting |
| 21:45.37 | Maquis | so, firefox and gvim are both seg-faulting on start on my laptop |
| 21:45.49 | Maquis | so, i ssh -X'd into my desktop |
| 21:45.53 | Maquis | and ran firefox |
| 21:46.07 | Maquis | then i went to my local terminal, and ran firefox (while the other firefox was still open) |
| 21:46.11 | Maquis | and firefox worked fine |
| 21:46.42 | Maquis | but, when i tried to log out of the ssh'd terminal, it complained, saying that firefox was already running (i had already closed the one that i had opened from inside ssh) |
| 21:46.49 | Maquis | so, i checked ps, and it was still running... |
| 21:47.01 | Maquis | so i did killall firefox, and it killed the one i had run from my local machine |
| 21:47.16 | Maquis | and then i logged out of ssh, and firefox stopped working again |
| 21:54.35 | LeviHome | Maquis: Sounds like it's broken. |
| 22:12.42 | Maquis | so, that's not typical behaviour? |
| 22:13.04 | Maquis | i know that firefox is broken, but i was really startled by the fact that it opened something over ssh when it wasn't told to |
| 22:14.28 | LeviHome | Sounds weird all right. |
| 22:14.43 | Maquis | i know that i've got hardware issues on my laptop, but when i've talked to toshiba, their typical answer is "well, if you're not running windows, we can't help you" |
| 22:15.11 | Maquis | (despite the fact that i'm still under warranty for a few more months) |
| 22:15.33 | Maquis | i'm going to run fsck and memtest, but is there anything else i can do??? |
| 22:16.06 | Maquis | (i'm having orphaned inodes, spurious interrupts, etc on here on a semi-regular basis) |
| 22:16.18 | LeviHome | Hmm. |
| 22:16.45 | LeviHome | I don't know of any other diagnostic tools off the top of my head. |
| 22:16.56 | Maquis | since i haven't made any changes to my system (updates and such) for about 2 weeks, i'm guessing that the gvim/firefox problem is probably hardware-basd |
| 22:18.41 | LeviHome | That would be unfortunate. |
| 22:22.00 | Maquis | it would |
| 22:22.09 | Maquis | i need to get toshiba to talk to me |
| 22:22.23 | LeviHome | Well, you could install Windows. |
| 22:22.43 | Maquis | A) i don't want to, B) i doubt i could find signs of most of these problems in windows |
| 22:22.52 | Maquis | windows doesn't have anything equivalent to dmesg |
| 22:22.59 | Maquis | at least not that i know |
| 22:23.12 | Maquis | and how large of a hard drive does XP need as a minimum? |
| 22:23.22 | LeviHome | I dunno. |
| 22:24.24 | Maquis | i could try making it a tiny little partition, just to get this one utility run (a memory test utility that toshiba won't replace memory unless they are contacted by the utility... |
| 22:24.24 | Maquis | ) |
| 22:24.24 | tensai | 1gb I'd say |
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| 22:24.59 | Maquis | Vitamin-C: interesting nick |
| 22:30.59 | Vitamin-C | hmm |
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| 22:31.21 | spr | ~seen joshc |
| 22:31.26 | ibot | joshc <~josh@jcoates.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 2d 4h 10m 50s ago, saying: 'ttyl folks. :-)'. |
| 22:32.12 | tene | ~seen spr |
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| 23:01.21 | Maquis | ~wikipedia dma |