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| 00:06.03 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
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| 00:13.12 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 00:13.18 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 00:30.55 | dataw0lf | Modest Mouse goin' to be rocking in March. |
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| 00:43.54 | vontrapp | what was it before? 8k or 4k kernel stacks? |
| 00:45.42 | vontrapp | and which do you need for nvidia drivers? |
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| 00:54.46 | synic | vontrapp: it doesn't matter for nvidia anymore |
| 00:55.07 | vontrapp | oh, that's good to hear |
| 00:55.30 | synic | ndiswrapper needs non-4k stacks, though |
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| 00:55.42 | Maquis | ~lart spr |
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| 00:57.35 | Maquis | |lart emcnabb |
| 01:02.28 | spr | I'm goin' down to cowtown... |
| 01:02.44 | Maquis | cowtown??? |
| 01:05.58 | levi | Maquis: You need to listen to more TMBG. |
| 01:06.40 | Maquis | levi: what's tmbg? |
| 01:07.00 | vontrapp | Maquis: you REALLY need to listen to more tmbg |
| 01:07.18 | Maquis | i can't really do that if i don't know what it is, though... |
| 01:07.19 | spr | ~google tmbg |
| 01:07.38 | Maquis | ah |
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| 01:24.26 | vontrapp | |lart kernels missing necessary block device support |
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| 02:02.28 | xbmodder_lappy | boo ya shacka la! |
| 02:05.28 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
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| 02:18.43 | xbmodder_lappy | surewhat? |
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| 02:27.42 | Mecworks | sjansen, Well, they arn't the same things, one is opensource and the other is a sound investment in somethning that they can't modify, fix or enhance. I don't see the point of your question... |
| 02:29.30 | Maquis | Mecworks: why are we running for cover/ |
| 02:29.31 | Maquis | ? |
| 02:30.10 | emcnabb | we are running from the wrath of sjansen |
| 02:30.33 | emcnabb | for it is mighty |
| 02:30.51 | Maquis | emcnabb: do you ever have wrath? |
| 02:30.55 | emcnabb | not really |
| 02:31.19 | tene | got a friend with a very strange problem here... |
| 02:31.25 | emcnabb | well, most of the time I'm not wrathful |
| 02:31.38 | tene | he has scary mixed up issues with dns |
| 02:31.42 | Maquis | what was the last thing you became wrathful about? |
| 02:32.04 | tene | specifically, things tend to resolve to 1.0.0.0 when he's running linux |
| 02:32.24 | tene | except if he runs 'ping hostname.com' on the commandline |
| 02:32.36 | tene | then it resolves fine for ping, and resolves fine for other things too for a while |
| 02:32.52 | tene | this problem only happens when he's running linux, however |
| 02:33.30 | tene | so... I have no ideas at all |
| 02:33.30 | Maquis | are his problems just inside the web browser? |
| 02:33.43 | Maquis | have you checked the Connection settings in firefox preferences? |
| 02:33.44 | tene | nope |
| 02:33.47 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 02:33.50 | Maquis | not that then... |
| 02:34.01 | tene | apt, for example, also had trouble |
| 02:34.08 | Maquis | so, he can ping the hostname, but not actually do anything else with the hostname? |
| 02:34.35 | tene | after he runs 'ping', the hostname resolves fine for everything else for a while |
| 02:34.41 | Maquis | if he substitutes the ip address returned by ping in place of the hostname while doing other things, does that work? |
| 02:34.44 | Maquis | wait... |
| 02:34.47 | Maquis | oh... |
| 02:34.48 | Maquis | ok |
| 02:34.54 | tene | which is... odd... |
| 02:34.57 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 02:35.30 | Maquis | maybe emcnabb the unwrathful could help |
| 02:35.38 | tene | yeah, I'm completely clueless |
| 02:36.58 | tene | also apparently he just tried the "ping makes it work" trick on something, but that didn't wuite work right and made hotmail.com resolve to that address instead |
| 02:37.36 | Maquis | so, everything resolves to the most recently pinged address/ |
| 02:37.37 | Maquis | ? |
| 02:37.54 | tene | sometimes |
| 02:37.59 | tene | it's erratic |
| 02:39.27 | Maquis | has anybody ever seen this in dmesg: |
| 02:39.29 | Maquis | Warning: Processor Platform Limit event detected, but not handled. |
| 02:39.29 | Maquis | Consider compiling CPUfreq support into your kernel. |
| 02:39.38 | Maquis | i'm not sure what it means.... |
| 02:39.46 | Maquis | but it's come up almost every day recently... |
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| 03:12.17 | bonez39 | I have a directory on my system which currently reads 'd---------' for the permissions...I set it that way with chmod..but now I dont' remember what the permissions were before I set it..what chmod setting would make the directory read, write and executable? |
| 03:12.29 | tene | for who? |
| 03:12.31 | tene | everyone? |
| 03:12.32 | brigham | everyone is asleep or at church :P |
| 03:12.37 | bonez39 | I can't reconfigure this application, sugarcrm unless I chmod it back... |
| 03:12.40 | tene | brigham: forget everyone |
| 03:12.41 | brigham | lemme take care of that for you |
| 03:13.01 | bonez39 | tene: for me..I just need to change it...and then dump a sample database..and then once done..chmod it back to d--------- |
| 03:13.17 | tene | do you want it rwx for user, user and group, or everybody? |
| 03:13.29 | Maquis | bonez39: to make read-write-executable fore everyone, you want chmod 777 directory-name |
| 03:13.30 | bonez39 | for user and group |
| 03:13.42 | Maquis | what do you want for permissions for everybody? |
| 03:13.45 | tene | that'd be 770 |
| 03:13.52 | Maquis | chmod 77* |
| 03:14.06 | Maquis | with * being replaced by whatever you decide everybody should have |
| 03:14.07 | bonez39 | maquis: ok...and then once it's properly configured..then I want to run chmod 000 directory-name to make it d--------- ? |
| 03:14.25 | Maquis | why do you want *nobody* to have any rights/ |
| 03:14.37 | bonez39 | well, currently it's set to d--------- |
| 03:14.45 | Maquis | yes, but why is it set that way? |
| 03:14.57 | bonez39 | I can enter and log in the database..and add new users and all that... |
| 03:15.05 | bonez39 | it's set that way to protect it from tampering.. |
| 03:15.30 | Maquis | i don't see why you're not giving at least the owner some priviledges.... |
| 03:15.43 | tene | Maquis: maybe for just in case of accidents. |
| 03:15.55 | tene | a random script or typo on the cl |
| 03:16.02 | Maquis | perhaps i'm missing something, but i don't really see the point of a directory that nobody can read, write or execute in... |
| 03:16.25 | tene | Maquis: +x on directories controls whether you can enter it or not |
| 03:16.28 | tene | i.e. |
| 03:16.34 | tene | "cd /path/to/dir/" |
| 03:16.39 | tene | "PERMISSION DENIED OMG!!!" |
| 03:16.41 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 03:17.26 | Maquis | but if you can't do anythign to it, what's the point because files inside can't be read or used.... etc... |
| 03:17.30 | Maquis | right? |
| 03:17.39 | tene | Maquis: ahh, I understand. |
| 03:18.05 | tene | he gives it permissions whenever he's going to access it |
| 03:18.11 | tene | and then takes them away when he's done |
| 03:18.19 | Maquis | hmmmm |
| 03:18.42 | Maquis | so, the folder only has a purpose for a few minutes whenever he gets into it for a bit? |
| 03:18.52 | tene | sounds that way |
| 03:18.57 | Maquis | hmmmm |
| 03:18.58 | Maquis | ok... |
| 03:19.28 | Maquis | bonez39: now that i've gotten a rationale here, the answer to your question is that chmod 000 will change it back to d--------- |
| 03:21.41 | Maquis | bonez39: an easy way to remember this (if you know a little bit of binary, or can figure out a bit of binary): |
| 03:22.00 | Maquis | for the folder, there are 3 sets of 3 permissions |
| 03:22.06 | tene | bonez39: you can use letters instead of numbers if you'd like. |
| 03:22.13 | Maquis | the permissions are read, write, execute (rwx) |
| 03:22.18 | tene | a+rwx is all + read write execute |
| 03:22.28 | Maquis | the 3 sets are owner, group, and everybody |
| 03:22.46 | bonez39 | thanks.... |
| 03:22.56 | Maquis | so, to set something to be allowed, you put a 1 there, if not, you want a 0 there |
| 03:23.02 | Maquis | then you turn it into octal |
| 03:23.18 | Maquis | so, if i want owner to have read and write, but not execute, then i give it 110 which is 6 |
| 03:23.41 | Maquis | and i do a similar conversion for the group and everybody |
| 03:25.06 | Maquis | tene: you coming down this week, or another week? |
| 03:25.40 | tene | I think that my father might have decided to claim that spool :E |
| 03:25.53 | Maquis | :( |
| 03:25.54 | tene | I should know soon, though |
| 03:25.54 | Maquis | tis ok |
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| 03:25.58 | tene | I'll let you know |
| 03:26.03 | Maquis | do you still have some rj-45 terminators available/ |
| 03:26.04 | Maquis | ? |
| 03:26.08 | tene | oh yeah |
| 03:26.13 | Maquis | good stuff.... |
| 03:26.14 | tene | a few hundred |
| 03:26.32 | Maquis | i made my first ethernet cord, and at that rate, i could go through the small number of terminators i have very quickly... |
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| 03:38.48 | bonez39 | congrats, maquis... |
| 03:38.58 | bonez39 | every cord you make you get better.. |
| 03:39.06 | bonez39 | did you get nice quality crimper tool? |
| 03:40.03 | Maquis | bonez39: i got the one that a friend of mine had previously |
| 03:40.08 | Maquis | it's a radio shack one... |
| 03:40.27 | Maquis | possibly not the highest quality, but it works, and it was free... |
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| 03:49.17 | bonez39 | Maquis, back to my chmod question..I go on my site to bring up help..but it tells me I don't have permission...likely since it's not set correctly |
| 03:49.35 | Maquis | what did that folder have in it? |
| 03:49.49 | Maquis | methinks you probably didn't want it chmodded to d--------- |
| 03:49.55 | bonez39 | it has the help files..and other such things.... |
| 03:50.25 | Maquis | you want the folder to have at least execute rights for everyone, i think, because that allows apache to get into the folder |
| 03:50.26 | bonez39 | likely that went too far..how about if I jsut want to group to read that ....not execute it or write.. |
| 03:51.02 | Maquis | bonez39: to be able to read files in the directory, you need to be able to execute the folder.... |
| 03:51.07 | bonez39 | ok.... |
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| 03:53.04 | Maquis | bonez39: does that help somewhat? |
| 03:53.38 | bonez39 | so the three sets of permission, rwxrwxrwx are for user, group and all? |
| 03:53.42 | bonez39 | is that thr right order? |
| 03:53.43 | tene | yeah |
| 03:53.46 | tene | yes |
| 03:56.38 | bonez39 | to play it safe would I try chmod 700 directory-name...and see if that works? |
| 03:56.50 | bonez39 | I don't know why i ask..I guess I should just experiement |
| 03:57.09 | goozbach | TIRED! |
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| 04:03.51 | MScool | are there any Xdoclet experts or users in the house? Middlegen people? |
| 04:03.57 | MScool | I have a unique question. |
| 04:04.06 | MScool | At least unique for me. |
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| 04:11.23 | Maquis | bonez39: 700 probably won't fix it |
| 04:11.30 | Maquis | 711 will probably fix it... |
| 04:11.37 | Maquis | goozbach: why are you so tired? |
| 04:12.10 | goozbach | went to bed at 4:30 this morning |
| 04:12.18 | Maquis | goozbach: not the best idea... |
| 04:12.37 | goozbach | been on a plane since 10:00AM |
| 04:12.49 | Maquis | ick |
| 04:12.59 | Maquis | are you on your treo? |
| 04:13.33 | goozbach | no, I'm on my laptop, in the hotel |
| 04:13.38 | Maquis | ah... |
| 04:14.00 | goozbach | but tired nonetheless |
| 04:23.59 | bonez39 | maquis: so r=read w=write and x=? |
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| 04:24.13 | tene | execute |
| 04:24.14 | MScool | execute |
| 04:24.17 | tene | for files |
| 04:24.23 | tene | for dirs, it's "entry permission" |
| 04:24.44 | bonez39 | here's the warning I get when running the program: The "install" directory needs to be made 'unreadable' to prevent the installation from being run again. |
| 04:25.11 | Maquis | bonez39: what they said... |
| 04:25.39 | tensai | chmod 000 install |
| 04:25.42 | Maquis | bonez39: from what i can tell, you're not dealing with the install directory right now... |
| 04:25.50 | bonez39 | ok, for an executable file...if I dont' want someone, including myself to accidently rerun the installation or setup routine, then the 711 chmod option should work? |
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| 04:26.04 | bonez39 | the 'install' directory for this..is where they want it disabled... |
| 04:26.05 | Maquis | bonez39: if it's an executable file, you don't want the 1s there |
| 04:26.12 | Maquis | because the 1s give execute permission |
| 04:26.16 | Maquis | because it's 001 rwx |
| 04:26.16 | bonez39 | ok..... |
| 04:26.28 | Maquis | i'd make them 700 |
| 04:26.51 | bonez39 | ok |
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| 04:42.08 | mheath | Maquis: isn't he looking for 622? |
| 04:42.16 | mheath | Read+write, read, read? |
| 04:42.18 | Maquis | mheath: depends on what he wants... |
| 04:42.35 | tensai | 644 would be rw,r,r |
| 04:42.42 | tensai | 622 is rw,w,w |
| 04:42.43 | mheath | er, your right... |
| 04:42.50 | mheath | Sorry, it's late. |
| 04:43.00 | Maquis | right... he didn't want to be able to execute it himself either... |
| 04:43.03 | Maquis | didn't see that... |
| 04:43.09 | Maquis | bonez39: you might want to keep reading :) |
| 04:43.52 | Mecworks_ | ./me tries to get his treo to sync with Linux... |
| 04:43.59 | Mecworks_ | 8^) |
| 04:47.08 | mheath | 'night, all |
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| 04:59.58 | xbmodder | hello utah peoplez |
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| 05:00.18 | findlay | it speaks! |
| 05:00.34 | findlay | ~lart SpecialK and Maquis |
| 05:00.37 | xbmodder | hmm do i have to have my pesky sysadmin to give my friend my rights? |
| 05:00.42 | Maquis | findlay: why??? |
| 05:00.59 | xbmodder | ~lart Maquis |
| 05:01.08 | mheath | xbmodder: congratulations! You're the first one to make my ignore list! |
| 05:01.11 | findlay | just to make sure we're current on the lart count |
| 05:01.16 | Maquis | |lart findlay |
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| 05:04.01 | findlay | Maquis: hey, I do that already |
| 05:04.29 | xbmodder | how did i make the ignore list why did i? |
| 05:04.45 | Maquis | |lart findlay again to make up for the mistake |
| 05:05.05 | xbmodder | ~say hey |
| 05:05.09 | ibot | hey |
| 05:05.30 | xbmodder | ~say mheath why did you put poor old xbmodder here on your ignore list? |
| 05:05.32 | ibot | mheath why did you put poor old xbmodder here on your ignore list |
| 05:06.12 | mheath | xbmodder: Thank you. You just proved you were extremely immature and childish. I was going to take you off after 24 hours (my script does that). You just got permanently added! Have fun. Goodbye. |
| 05:08.30 | xbmodder | second person that has ignored me... |
| 05:08.33 | Maquis | ~congratulate mheath |
| 05:08.35 | ibot | ACTION congratulates mheath on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 05:08.56 | xbmodder | ~say mheath, seriously why though. My sysadmin won't give me rights |
| 05:08.58 | ibot | mheath, seriously why though. My sysadmin won't give me rights |
| 05:09.17 | xbmodder | should i give my friend an a script with 'su - xbmodder' and chmod +S |
| 05:10.27 | xbmodder | or should i have my sysadmin setup sudo? |
| 05:10.32 | findlay | and then do a find ~ -type f | xargs shred |
| 05:11.25 | findlay | ~unignore xbmodder |
| 05:15.44 | xbmodder | findlay, thats not very nice |
| 05:16.09 | findlay | what? |
| 05:16.22 | tensai | wahoo! the crappy weatherman is retiring! |
| 05:16.32 | Maquis | tensai: cool! |
| 05:16.48 | Newsome | The idiot on WB? |
| 05:17.01 | tensai | no, idaho falls new |
| 05:17.07 | tensai | s/new/news/ |
| 05:21.55 | Maquis | ack!! |
| 05:22.10 | Maquis | i swear, one of these days, the girls upstairs are going to come through the ceiling! |
| 05:23.15 | tensai | Maquis: prop up some pointy sticks in preparation. and let loose some termites. |
| 05:23.35 | Maquis | tensai: i'd prefer if they didn't come down... |
| 05:23.52 | tensai | even just once? |
| 05:25.13 | Maquis | well.... it would kind of make a mess... |
| 05:25.22 | findlay | 83914 |
| 05:26.26 | tensai | I figured you were proud of your zip code |
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| 05:40.34 | scott_ | alright, I figured out why an rss aggregator isn't so cool--you still have to go to the persons site to see anything meaningful most of the time |
| 05:50.33 | xbmodder | what? |
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| 05:54.37 | scott_ | xbmodder, most feeds only contain a summary or the title |
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| 06:59.41 | xbmodder | scott_, that is pointless |
| 07:10.23 | brailsmt | is there a command line css engine? |
| 07:13.01 | brailsmt | scott_: I really like Habari Xenu a RSS aggregator for Mozilla... |
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| 07:13.42 | brailsmt | scott_: and BTW, the whole point of RSS is to provide a summary, then if you want more, you go to the site... |
| 07:24.58 | Maquis | Mecworks_: congrats |
| 07:25.04 | Mecworks_ | thx 8^) |
| 07:56.25 | LeviHome | brailsmt: The whole point of RSS is syndication. Syndication in abstract form is only one possibility. |
| 07:56.49 | LeviHome | And what do you mean by a commandline css engine? |
| 07:59.04 | brailsmt | LeviHome: something that will apply the CSS layout to a file and spit the result out to a file |
| 07:59.32 | Maquis | GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:59.34 | LeviHome | ... |
| 07:59.45 | LeviHome | brailsmt: What do you expect the output format to be? |
| 08:00.12 | brailsmt | LeviHome: text/plain as opposed to text/html.... |
| 08:01.41 | LeviHome | Well, generally the point of CSS is to remove layout cruft from the html document. One of the reasons for that is so that non-graphical browsers can render the semantic markup in a sane way. |
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| 15:09.39 | tensai | ~push iana |
| 15:09.55 | tensai | ~nudge iana |
| 15:10.29 | tensai | ~prod iana |
| 15:10.31 | ibot | ACTION zaps iana with a high voltage cattle prod |
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| 15:30.24 | wps | unfortunately, it was not recorded |
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| 15:46.09 | karina23 | All greetings! Who be talks in Russian? I the newcomer. |
| 15:48.35 | Jayce^ | sasha does, but normally isn't in the channle |
| 15:48.38 | Jayce^ | channel |
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| 15:58.47 | karina23 | Hello! I the newcomer. |
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| 16:32.07 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 16:42.14 | xbmodder | karina23: hello newcomer |
| 16:43.29 | tene | http://projectmisty.com/ |
| 16:48.42 | xbmodder | tene, thats great! one thing... Why not raw hard drives? Shipping Hard drives would be cheaper |
| 16:49.22 | tene | First, I'm not involved with them at all. It's just a random link I came across. |
| 16:49.44 | tene | Second, hard drives are a *much* less accessible format |
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| 16:57.44 | hans | so you're saying monkeys are a fruit |
| 16:57.54 | Jayce^ | *bam*... *bam* |
| 16:58.06 | hans | pretty expensive for a fruit |
| 17:04.30 | hans | anyone close by here? http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/loc/1/2453461.php |
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| 17:10.10 | Maquis | |
| 17:10.43 | hans | the marriott wants to charge them "thousands of dollars" for a network line to the solitude room there for their little conference (this to connect two computers) |
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| 17:10.55 | hans | I find it hard to believe, but I don't doubt they would overcharge. |
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| 17:32.48 | hans | ok, |
| 17:32.54 | hans | anyone a local call to SLC? |
| 17:35.52 | tene | I am |
| 17:35.56 | tene | whyfor? |
| 17:36.34 | hans | would you call 531-0800 (downtown marriott) and ask if the wireless access covers the solitude room and the lobby? |
| 17:36.51 | tene | sure |
| 17:37.15 | hans | :-P |
| 17:37.22 | hans | actually supposedly there's one on order for me. |
| 17:37.35 | hans | if he didn't forget |
| 17:38.02 | tene | well, I'll call in a bit |
| 17:38.05 | hans | i could call from here but then I'd have to take a dime over to accounting and mumble something about a personal call... ;-) |
| 17:38.17 | tene | my line is currently being used for a conversation between my mother and her mother. |
| 17:38.22 | tene | which... could take a while... |
| 17:38.24 | hans | I wouldn't be so cheap from home, but I know I'll forget if I wait till I get home. |
| 17:38.28 | hans | tene: no rush |
| 17:38.31 | tene | kk |
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| 17:38.41 | JoshH | ill do it real quick |
| 17:40.02 | JoshH | lady says it covers the lobby and second floor common area, not the solitude room |
| 17:40.29 | Maquis | what's this for? |
| 17:41.02 | Maquis | i see the thing about the problem with marriott wanting to charge lots, but i don't see what it's needed for... |
| 17:41.52 | JoshH | |lart Maquis |
| 17:42.12 | JoshH | :( |
| 17:42.50 | hans | Maquis: my father in law is a logistics dude in the navy and they're trying to do a class |
| 17:44.50 | Maquis | hans: ah... |
| 17:45.00 | hans | the class will actually be at the U because the marriott wanted too much for internet, but I guess the admin computers will still be at the marriott. |
| 17:46.05 | tene | you could always just put a laptop with wifi at the edge of the lobby access, extending it. |
| 17:46.45 | hans | yeah, that's what I'll recommend. |
| 17:47.27 | tene | or run a cat5 through the halls... |
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| 17:50.46 | hans | JoshH: thanks for the call |
| 17:52.56 | JoshH | np |
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| 18:01.32 | joshc_ | ever look at a resume that made your *hurt* inside because you can really visualize how this persons career has been going? |
| 18:02.12 | JoshH | ya, my own :P |
| 18:02.18 | joshc_ | lol |
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| 18:03.02 | joshc_ | i should just do writes to /dev/null - but i need a place to vent |
| 18:04.46 | JoshH | this is as good a place as any |
| 18:04.57 | joshc_ | logged /dev/null :-( |
| 18:05.15 | joshc_ | but at least there is some response |
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| 18:10.36 | joshc_ | that was dumb |
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| 18:18.55 | tene | ~lart joshc_ |
| 18:23.32 | beandog | hans you around |
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| 18:25.45 | hans | beandog: pong |
| 18:28.28 | tene | eep! |
| 18:29.36 | joshc_ | ~lart ibot |
| 18:31.49 | levi | Ooh, the entry-level Pontiac Solstice will be under $20k. |
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| 18:45.47 | tyce | anyone in here have time to help me work thru a little mythtv problem Im having? |
| 18:46.10 | Jayce^ | hrm, bbeattie isn't online, he'd be the best one |
| 18:46.29 | tyce | sound works fine in mplayer/xine/xmms/etc... but no sound is played back or recorded inside of MythTV |
| 18:46.56 | Jayce^ | input levels set in your mixer? |
| 18:47.01 | Jayce^ | levels and or mute? |
| 18:47.12 | tyce | I've played with them all |
| 18:47.19 | tyce | unmuted everythig |
| 18:49.28 | tyce | Im thinking it may be an ivtv issue, but I keep comming to dead ends in the both the mythtv and gentoo forums |
| 18:52.26 | beandog | death to mythtv. |
| 18:52.50 | tyce | :( |
| 18:52.55 | beandog | :) |
| 18:53.06 | beandog | Are you using .15 .16 or .17 |
| 18:53.11 | tyce | .16 |
| 18:53.26 | tyce | wanted to get it running there before upgrading to .17 |
| 18:53.39 | beandog | My first impulse would be to say to try .17, but since mine wouldnt even compile, I cant. |
| 18:53.48 | tyce | :-D |
| 18:53.55 | beandog | Do you have anything recording while youre trying to watch tV |
| 18:54.17 | tyce | with the same hardware, I had it working properly under debian |
| 18:54.31 | beandog | What are you using now |
| 18:54.38 | tyce | but I went to gentoo to fix some other issues I was having and now the sound won't work in mythtv |
| 18:54.56 | beandog | Can you play any mythtv .nuv files with mplayer |
| 18:55.04 | tyce | no, no sound while watching live tv or recording |
| 18:55.57 | tyce | I cat's /dev/video0 to a file and the video worked fine, just no audio |
| 18:56.14 | tyce | so i think there is a problem with the ivtv driver for my pvr-250 |
| 18:56.20 | hans | http://images.amazon.com/media/imdb/01/ads/hhgttg42/AmazonFilms.swf |
| 18:57.02 | beandog | I never had much luck with ivtv either. :T |
| 18:59.00 | tyce | well with debian I had to compile the drivers from source downloaded, but with gentoo, there was a emerge package for it. |
| 19:06.51 | beandog | Yah |
| 19:06.54 | beandog | Id try the unstable ivtv |
| 19:06.56 | beandog | If there is an unstable |
| 19:25.12 | hans | |roulette |
| 19:25.26 | hans | ~lart brigham for not being here |
| 19:25.35 | hans | ~nslookup utwaa.org |
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| 19:37.15 | ECS | ~lart Maquis while she eats lunch |
| 19:43.24 | Jayce^ | uwaa... even better if it was 'utah windows type admins anonymous' |
| 19:43.30 | Jayce^ | uwtaa *rimshot* |
| 19:44.04 | mrpull | i propose it waa is pronouced like a crying baby. |
| 19:44.12 | mrpull | whaahhh? |
| 19:44.25 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 19:44.45 | mrpull | i know windows has made me cry before. |
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| 19:46.49 | beandog | This'll probably be the first windows mailing list with an uptime of more than 3 days |
| 19:47.21 | mrpull | so is #utah the irc home of waa? |
| 19:47.52 | beandog | If most of them are pluggers, probably |
| 19:48.20 | mrpull | #utah slides off topic so frequently... it wouldn't bother me |
| 19:48.33 | Jayce^ | we have a topic? |
| 19:48.42 | beandog | How do you properly delete a subversion respository? Just rm -fr /var/svn/repos? |
| 19:52.59 | orbit | http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ <-- O'Reilly's svn book online |
| 19:54.25 | mrpull | i like the windows talk |
| 19:54.28 | orbit | I don't see anything in the book about removing repositories... |
| 19:54.31 | Jayce^ | we're helping them recover :) |
| 19:54.34 | mrpull | i deal with as much or more windows than *nix |
| 19:54.50 | Jayce^ | 'ello bruce... |
| 19:54.50 | orbit | Although if I had to wager I think you'd be aright with an rm -rf. |
| 19:55.07 | Jayce^ | if it really is that much like cvs, it would make sense |
| 19:55.19 | orbit | right, they are somewhat cousins... |
| 19:55.32 | Jayce^ | alabama cousins? :) |
| 19:55.39 | beandog | heh |
| 19:57.15 | Jayce^ | oh yeah, beandog, I remember where you're from :-p |
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| 20:02.55 | Maquis | |lart ECS |
| 20:04.02 | hans | spread the word about waa to the other lists and even those sql,java,etc. lists |
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| 20:09.49 | beandog | Jayce^: Hey, im a city boy. |
| 20:11.23 | hans | wow. sha-1 broken |
| 20:12.05 | beandog | When using find, how do you get the results with the spaces escaped so I can delete em? |
| 20:12.21 | hans | ha, good luck |
| 20:12.41 | hans | the easiest thing is to put the output to a file and use a scripting language to work on them one line at a time. |
| 20:13.01 | Jayce^ | xargs takes care of that doesn't it? |
| 20:13.06 | orbit | find -foo -bar /path | xargs rm -f |
| 20:13.08 | hans | you can also have find output them with a \0 delimiter, which you might be able to coerce xargs into using |
| 20:13.16 | hans | orbit: no, no |
| 20:13.26 | beandog | yah, that doesnt work if you have a "file name" |
| 20:13.40 | hans | especially if you have a file that starts with a space and you are finding in / ! |
| 20:13.40 | beandog | it'll say can't find file "name" |
| 20:14.02 | orbit | Ah. I see. |
| 20:14.52 | hans | xargs isn't any fun if the argument in question isn't the last one |
| 20:15.09 | hans | there's also find -exec cat "{}" \; |
| 20:15.18 | hans | that works, unless you have embedded quote marks. |
| 20:15.23 | beandog | I was looking at exec, but the man is confusing. |
| 20:15.49 | beandog | why do you have the \; at the end though |
| 20:16.04 | beandog | Oh, wait. I see what youre saying. |
| 20:17.13 | Jayce^ | HHG trailer on amazon.com |
| 20:17.26 | orbit | perl -M File::Find -e "...." ?? |
| 20:18.03 | beandog | Coolies. |
| 20:18.04 | beandog | http://utwaa.org/mailman/listinfo/waa |
| 20:18.05 | beandog | doh. |
| 20:18.07 | beandog | freaking paste. |
| 20:18.09 | beandog | find . -type f -path './*_vti*' -exec rm "{}" \; |
| 20:19.12 | beandog | Gets rid of those nasty _vti* directories that IIS creates for some odd unstandard reason. |
| 20:21.09 | Bradipo | beandog: find /path -foo -bar -print0 | xargs -0 foobar |
| 20:22.58 | beandog | it looks like -print0 dumps it all on one line |
| 20:23.07 | beandog | but I guess if you pipe it, it'd be okay |
| 20:23.19 | beandog | mebbe not. |
| 20:23.53 | Bradipo | -print0 uses \0 as a delimiter. |
| 20:23.57 | Bradipo | Instead of \n |
| 20:24.13 | beandog | Oh |
| 20:24.17 | Bradipo | Which works around the problem of spaces in the filenames. |
| 20:24.51 | Bradipo | And -type f won't ever remove a directory. |
| 20:24.54 | Bradipo | You would want -type d |
| 20:25.15 | Bradipo | Er, won't match a directory. |
| 20:26.07 | beandog | Yah I ran another one for that |
| 20:27.06 | Maquis | anyone here on del.icio.us? |
| 20:28.32 | orbit | I've registered, but haven't used it much. |
| 20:28.54 | orbit | On a related note, however, I've set up some cool RSS feeds from Flickr |
| 20:28.56 | Maquis | see, i've accidentally deleted my bookmarks so many times that i'm thinking it will be extremely useful... |
| 20:29.28 | orbit | I would thinkg del.icio.us wo do for bookmarks what bloglines does for newsfeeds. |
| 20:29.40 | Maquis | ??? |
| 20:30.11 | tensai | beandog: _vti* is for frontpage extensions, so yes they are nasty and unstandard |
| 20:30.22 | Maquis | orbit: what do you mean by that? |
| 20:30.40 | beandog | tensai: thanks |
| 20:30.44 | orbit | Maquis: Bloglines allows me to access my feeds from anywhere. del.icio.us would allow one to access their bookmarks from anywhere, work, school, or home. |
| 20:30.57 | Maquis | ah... yeah |
| 20:30.58 | orbit | And they're both accessible via APIs |
| 20:31.04 | orbit | As is Flickr |
| 20:31.12 | Maquis | and you won't accidentally delete them when you break mozilla |
| 20:31.21 | beandog | or rm -fr .mozilla |
| 20:31.25 | beandog | on accident. |
| 20:31.46 | Maquis | well... that or other things... |
| 20:31.47 | Maquis | :) |
| 20:31.59 | Maquis | i have an interesting tendency to break things on my computer... |
| 20:33.13 | Jayce^ | you run gentoo then. :) |
| 20:33.16 | beandog | heh |
| 20:33.25 | beandog | thats what makes it so much fun |
| 20:33.58 | orbit | lol |
| 20:33.58 | Maquis | Jayce^: yes... although i broke my computer on a regular basis when i started with redhat 8 |
| 20:34.09 | Maquis | so, it's probably more of a personality issue than a distro issue |
| 20:35.27 | beandog | That or Red Hat just sucks. |
| 20:35.42 | JoshH | or red hat and gentoo both suck. ;) |
| 20:35.45 | beandog | I remember having the hardest time adding/removing packages. |
| 20:36.05 | beandog | Now Gentoo saves me all the trouble, and I just have problems configuring packages :D |
| 20:36.11 | Maquis | or i just am the type that goes in and changes things without logical reason |
| 20:36.12 | orbit | yum makes a world of difference with FC/RH these days. |
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| 20:36.36 | beandog | Ill have to try FC3 someday. |
| 20:36.38 | Jayce^ | yeah, it takes so long to search/install, that you stop upgrading altogether... |
| 20:36.51 | Jayce^ | oh wait, did I say that with orbit in the room :-p |
| 20:37.10 | orbit | heehee |
| 20:37.24 | orbit | I've know apt to take its time on occasion as well. |
| 20:37.41 | orbit | Having used both, I think I can say I prefer yum |
| 20:38.01 | orbit | But that's just my humble opinion. |
| 20:38.18 | Jayce^ | of course, when I think apt, I'm not thinking rpm :) |
| 20:39.05 | beandog | Geez, you turn off Frontpage extensions, and its still got all those _vti directories. |
| 20:39.10 | tensai | has anybody upgraded from evolution 1.4 to 2.0? is it worth it? did it break anything? |
| 20:39.49 | levi | I like the new evolution. |
| 20:39.58 | levi | I'm at 2.0.3 |
| 20:40.27 | levi | Some people don't like the way it forces you to have the big honkin' mode selector tabs on your screen, though. |
| 20:40.47 | beandog | I thought you can turn that off |
| 20:41.22 | levi | Maybe you can. I haven't found a way. |
| 20:41.33 | levi | It sits in a place where I don't mind it too much, though. |
| 20:43.12 | tensai | is the upgrade from 1.4 painless? |
| 20:45.15 | Jayce^ | kmail |
| 20:45.36 | JoshH | ive always had weird issue with evolution, such as it not liking my self signed SSL certs |
| 20:45.56 | orbit | evo left a sour taste in my mouth with filter issues a while back. |
| 20:46.07 | orbit | Hope that's been improved in 2.0 |
| 20:46.29 | Jayce^ | beandog, you going to announce the waa list to the other groups? |
| 20:46.50 | Jayce^ | uug, uvlug, sllug, oalug, uphpu, ujug, etc.. :) |
| 20:48.39 | orbit | Hehe, I can see the waa idea catching hold in other areas...In Silicon Valley we'll have the SVWAA, and the unfortunate souls in Washington state will have to be relegated to wawaa |
| 20:49.10 | Jayce^ | mmmm... washington |
| 20:49.29 | hans | waa.org was already taken - washington accountants associaion or something |
| 20:49.32 | Jayce^ | actually, out east there is a convenience store chain called wawa |
| 20:49.57 | hans | we need a graphics person to draw a wailing tux |
| 20:50.26 | Jayce^ | maybe an assassin sneaking up on the windows icon :) |
| 20:50.36 | Jayce^ | or the windows icon as a ball and chain.. |
| 20:50.41 | Jayce^ | there ya go |
| 20:51.02 | orbit | perfect |
| 20:52.14 | beandog | Jayce^: yah |
| 20:52.48 | beandog | Jayce^: I dont know half of those though. |
| 20:53.13 | Jayce^ | then find somebody who can :) or contact the pres :) |
| 20:53.30 | beandog | heh |
| 20:53.51 | beandog | Im more frightened by possibly being branded as a windows admin |
| 20:54.15 | hans | waa, remember? just don't sign your name and use the waa-owner@utwaa.org address |
| 20:54.40 | beandog | Good idea |
| 20:54.54 | orbit | Sign it with "Anonymous WA", since it is the anonymous group, right? |
| 20:55.29 | orbit | Hi, my name is Jack, and I'm a window admin.... |
| 20:55.34 | orbit | s/window/windows |
| 20:55.52 | beandog | .. and I'm addicted to Solitaire. |
| 20:56.14 | Jayce^ | could be worse, you could be MCSE |
| 20:56.38 | beandog | true |
| 20:56.50 | JoshH | a minesweeper consultant and solitaire expert |
| 20:56.52 | JoshH | oh my |
| 20:57.09 | Jayce^ | 'must consult sysadmin everytime' |
| 20:57.49 | JoshH | http://josh.gnomefoo.com/img/MCRE.gif |
| 20:58.45 | tene | beandog: xargs -0 is what you want to use to get xargs to use the \0 as the separator |
| 20:58.49 | Jayce^ | nice JoshH |
| 20:59.10 | beandog | heh |
| 20:59.12 | beandog | Reboot Engineer |
| 20:59.25 | beandog | wheres that one poster ... "Remember, when you write OSS, youre supporting communism" |
| 20:59.47 | beandog | boy that was easy |
| 20:59.48 | beandog | http://www.marok.org/Arte/Mix/opensource.png |
| 21:01.15 | JoshH | ive seen a variation on that for downloading music too |
| 21:01.46 | beandog | the music one is the original one I think |
| 21:02.26 | beandog | cached. :T |
| 21:02.27 | beandog | http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:rhP3nF49WyYJ:www.designatedjohnny.com/communism.gif |
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| 21:05.01 | beandog | Can someone post on UUG for me |
| 21:05.12 | beandog | Thanks for volunteering |
| 21:05.13 | beandog | :) |
| 21:05.27 | Jayce^ | get a uug member to do it :) |
| 21:05.37 | beandog | whose a uug member? |
| 21:06.08 | Jayce^ | ~point at spr |
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| 21:06.52 | beandog | or uvlug? |
| 21:07.16 | Jayce^ | one of the guys asking for the list is the pres of uvlug I think |
| 21:07.58 | beandog | Lars mbye |
| 21:08.12 | hans | levi: http://www.gotw.ca/publications/concurrency-ddj.htm |
| 21:12.31 | levi | Hrm, my mice are not playing nicely with this kvm. |
| 21:15.19 | levi | hans: I think I've read that before. Interesting stuff. |
| 21:15.35 | levi | Time to learn erlang! |
| 21:20.02 | beandog | plug isn't running mod_php |
| 21:23.26 | Jayce^ | nope |
| 21:23.35 | Jayce^ | why would it?! |
| 21:23.45 | Jayce^ | it's becoming a bricolage server |
| 21:25.18 | beandog | bricolage? |
| 21:25.59 | Jayce^ | http://www.bricolage.cc/ |
| 21:26.11 | Jayce^ | powerful CMS for news type sites |
| 21:26.38 | beandog | coolies |
| 21:31.09 | beandog | Know of any good wikis that use mod_perl? |
| 21:31.51 | Jayce^ | kwiki can iirc |
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| 21:52.38 | levi | Jayce^: At some time in the past, you directed me at some sort of discussion of the design of LiveJournal. Do you know where that is? |
| 21:53.56 | Jayce^ | uhh, not offhand... I'd check first on the oscon presentation pages... |
| 21:54.02 | Jayce^ | since I know they gave one there.. |
| 21:54.17 | Jayce^ | look for whackamole, and memcached for possible help |
| 22:00.43 | levi | Ahh, thanks. |
| 22:04.18 | mheath | Might be getting an internship with a hardware company |
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| 22:06.58 | levi | Cool. |
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| 22:11.21 | levi | Jayce^: I got the impression from our previous discussion that LiveJournal did a MT-like static rendering of pages, but it doesn't seem to be so. |
| 22:16.59 | Jayce^ | no, they don't |
| 22:17.11 | Maquis | haibudong63 |
| 22:17.15 | Jayce^ | they do much heavier mid-level caching |
| 22:17.18 | Jayce^ | ooooooohhh |
| 22:17.30 | Jayce^ | nice Maquis |
| 22:17.43 | Maquis | good thing that doesn't go to anything important... |
| 22:18.05 | levi | ... I think I missed something. |
| 22:18.16 | Jayce^ | Livejournal discussed it, but implementation changed as they grew, and what their targets were.. |
| 22:18.31 | Jayce^ | <Maquis> haibudong63 <-- looks rather like a password |
| 22:19.19 | Jayce^ | i've started having all my passwords begin with standard unix commands... so if I mistype, it looks at least like a command :) |
| 22:19.30 | Maquis | haha |
| 22:19.53 | hans | i'm gonna start all myu passwords with ~lart |
| 22:19.57 | Jayce^ | nice |
| 22:20.41 | hans | Bradipo et al |
| 22:20.46 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.48 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.56 | hans | but from my box |
| 22:20.56 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.57 | hans | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.14 | tensai | hans: it doesn't like you |
| 22:21.27 | hans | is that possibly xmission's probleM? I don't think so, but the boss does |
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| 23:00.03 | fozz | chmod -R 0700 .pr0n |
| 23:00.11 | fozz | Dang it. Everyone knows my password now. |
| 23:00.14 | fozz | ;-) |
| 23:00.48 | levi | Heh. |
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| 23:17.23 | mheath | That reminds me |
| 23:17.38 | mheath | Doing a google search for Apache and IIS benchmarks, to show someone.. |
| 23:18.04 | mheath | One of the results: "Apache or IIS: What's better for a porn server?" |
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| 23:30.49 | tensai | the upgrade to evolution 2.0 went smoothly. it didn't import my signatures and it crashed because I had the evolution connector installed. |
| 23:31.09 | hans | sounds smooth, alright |
| 23:31.28 | tensai | could have been worse |
| 23:31.37 | goozbach | mheath: that's simple, apache, easier to configure so that leachers can't steal your stuff |
| 23:31.37 | tensai | I don't use the connector so I just uninstalled it |
| 23:32.15 | findlay | Is there a command simmilar to ps/pstree/top that will show you network usage per process? |
| 23:34.21 | tensai | netstat -p will show you which process has opened which port |
| 23:35.16 | findlay | kind of like lsof? |
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| 23:38.16 | beandog | wow that's a cool program |
| 23:38.42 | beandog | lookit all those little gnome apps sucking up my bandwidth |
| 23:41.00 | mheath | beandog: it shows port usage, not bandwidth usage. |
| 23:44.13 | levi | Many of the gnome app ports are not network ports at all. |
| 23:44.58 | mheath | Enlightenment DR17 is almost installed |
| 23:45.06 | hans | mheath: are you getting new headphones too? |
| 23:45.18 | mheath | hans: Huh? |
| 23:45.20 | findlay | but are there any utilities that show network resource usage simmilar to top? |
| 23:46.06 | orbit | I remember an ntop back in the day. |
| 23:46.54 | Jayce^ | jnettop is my fav |
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| 23:47.09 | findlay | it would be nice if top included network usage as well as other system resource usages |
| 23:47.21 | hans | ~lart emcnabb |
| 23:49.04 | tene | mheath: no it isn't. |
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| 23:49.23 | tene | mheath: the mini-freeze is almost over |
| 23:49.37 | emcnabb | findlay, http://www.ntop.org/ |
| 23:49.48 | mheath | tene: huh? |
| 23:49.54 | mheath | What are you talking about? |
| 23:50.29 | tene | oh, you said "installed" |
| 23:50.38 | tene | I read that as "complete" somehow... |
| 23:50.39 | tene | o.O |
| 23:50.41 | emcnabb | findlay, there is a ncurses version of it |
| 23:51.53 | mheath | Hey, let me throw an idea past all of you... |
| 23:52.01 | findlay | emcnabb: you showed up about 3-5 seconds after I said that, but then, I saw [Lag: 3.27]. So emcnabb is not omnipotent after all |
| 23:52.02 | mheath | See if you'd be interested |
| 23:52.19 | mheath | A clone of the Windows toolbar that runs in WINE |
| 23:52.49 | mheath | So, if you wanted, you could put it at the top or bottom of your Linux desktop, and run things from it as if you were using Windows |
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| 23:53.51 | findlay | we're being innundated with mcnabb's |
| 23:53.56 | mheath | Do you think anyone would be interested in that? |
| 23:54.15 | mheath | I'm working on a couple wizards/tools/etc. for Windows compatability on Linux, and thats an idea I had. |
| 23:54.54 | findlay | mheath: gnome, kde, and every decent lightweight desktop has one. Why bother running windows cruft with brittle wine? |
| 23:55.07 | emcnabb | pmcnabb will be back from his mission in a few months |
| 23:55.15 | emcnabb | he'll be on here |
| 23:55.30 | mheath | findlay: I'm talking about something that supports the Windows taskbar, notification icons, etc. |
| 23:55.49 | mheath | Just something to aid you in running Windows programs. Not a replacement for gnome-panel, KDE's stuff, etc. |
| 23:57.14 | mheath | Think about this...The user clicks an icon on the desktop titled "Windows Compatablity" |
| 23:57.33 | mheath | *Poof* - they have a toolbar that looks like Windows, they can run Windows programs, Windows CD's autorun.. |
| 23:58.42 | mheath | Sort of the same idea as Classic in Mac OS X (Though, obviously, uses Wine instead of running in a semi-emulator) |
| 23:59.00 | tene | That could be possibly interesting/useful, mheath. |
