| 00:02.13 | LeviHome | levi? |
| 00:04.25 | LeviHome | How sad, the bots don't know me anymore. |
| 00:05.27 | Maquis | LeviHome: i'm sorry... |
| 00:05.49 | LeviHome | Sweeeeeeet, the event photographer at the race got a bunch of pictures of me. :) |
| 00:05.59 | Maquis | just start a sentence with "levi is" and write yourself something (no need to put anything in front of it... brigham's smart enough to figure it out) |
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| 00:09.04 | xbmodder | ~levi |
| 00:09.26 | xbmodder | ibot, levi is an american male who lives in utah |
| 00:09.27 | ibot | okay, xbmodder |
| 00:09.46 | xbmodder | ibot, no levi is a male who lives in utah |
| 00:09.47 | ibot | xbmodder: okay |
| 00:09.55 | xbmodder | ~levi |
| 00:09.57 | ibot | i guess levi is a male who lives in utah |
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| 01:32.10 | xbmodder | Teacher gets 6 months for punching student in face, says it was worth it - punk |
| 01:35.29 | dataw0lf | probably was worth it. |
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| 01:52.13 | bonez39 | any one here using sugarcrm? |
| 01:53.33 | xbmodder | WHAt? |
| 01:53.33 | brigham | WHAt are they supposed to do |
| 01:55.55 | bonez39 | it's a crm package for opensource....contact relationship management |
| 01:56.15 | Maquis | it? |
| 01:56.15 | brigham | it is most active in the middle of the day... which is sort of odd as far as irc goes or not the prettiest (eye-candy) distro. |
| 01:58.46 | bonez39 | brigham? what the hell are you talking about? you lost me... sugar crm..is a contact relationship management application..opensource.. |
| 02:00.17 | Maquis | bonez39: he's just saying what he thinks it is |
| 02:01.45 | bonez39 | oh, I see... |
| 02:01.59 | Maquis | bonez39? |
| 02:02.05 | Maquis | bonez41? |
| 02:02.07 | Maquis | maquis? |
| 02:02.07 | brigham | maquis is a budding Linux wizard facing distinct challenges on the path to becoming a grey beard. |
| 02:02.12 | Maquis | bonez? |
| 02:02.13 | bonez39 | so he thinks sugar crm is most active in mid day..., and maybe it's pretty or not? |
| 02:02.19 | Maquis | no... |
| 02:02.30 | Maquis | he thinks "it" is most active in mid day... |
| 02:02.34 | bonez39 | I am a gray beard.....fast....lots of grey in mine now... |
| 02:02.57 | bonez39 | oh, damned clintonian arguments....where's my clinton dictionary...let's define what the hell it is...and then move on |
| 02:03.03 | Maquis | I? |
| 02:03.22 | Maquis | bonez39 is a gray beard... lots of gray |
| 02:03.26 | Maquis | bonez39? |
| 02:03.26 | brigham | bonez39 is a gray beard... lots of gray |
| 02:03.28 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:03.35 | Maquis | there... now brigham knows who you are |
| 02:03.50 | Maquis | me? |
| 02:03.50 | brigham | me is xbmodder |
| 02:03.58 | Maquis | who? |
| 02:03.59 | brigham | who is on first |
| 02:04.23 | bonez39 | increasing amount of gray in my beard |
| 02:04.34 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:10.53 | xbmodder | me |
| 02:10.55 | xbmodder | me? |
| 02:10.56 | brigham | me is xbmodder |
| 02:10.58 | xbmodder | |me |
| 02:46.11 | LeviHome | Me mtn biking: http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19910&eventid=49&page=15 |
| 02:46.20 | LeviHome | http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19905&eventid=49&page=15 |
| 02:46.29 | LeviHome | http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19617&eventid=49&page=1 |
| 02:46.36 | LeviHome | http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19622&eventid=49&page=1 |
| 02:46.44 | LeviHome | http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19620&eventid=49&page=1 |
| 02:51.32 | xbmodder | anyone here have a band that is with the RIAA? |
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| 02:57.51 | LeviHome | xbmodder: Have a band? You're asking if anyone here is in a band? |
| 02:58.32 | mheath | LeviHome: The issue is directly related to OSS :D |
| 02:58.46 | LeviHome | mheath: What? |
| 02:58.51 | mheath | That was sarcasm. |
| 02:59.07 | LeviHome | mheath: I'm just not sure what he means. |
| 02:59.24 | mheath | Ah. Sorry for confusing you further. |
| 03:01.00 | Maquis | http://addictinggames.com/crab.html <-- for those of you who enjohy truly addicting games... |
| 03:05.03 | mheath | Yeah! LAMP is ready to go.. |
| 03:05.06 | mheath | Now for ProFTPd |
| 03:08.16 | LeviHome | Anyone look at my mtb pictures? |
| 03:11.00 | JoshH | LeviHome: where was that? |
| 03:11.17 | LeviHome | : http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19910&eventid=49&page=15 |
| 03:11.26 | LeviHome | : http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19910&eventid=49&page=15 |
| 03:11.28 | LeviHome | Hrm. |
| 03:12.08 | LeviHome | http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19905&eventid=49&page=15 |
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| 03:12.20 | LeviHome | http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19617&eventid=49&page=1 |
| 03:12.26 | LeviHome | http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19622&eventid=49&page=1 |
| 03:12.33 | LeviHome | http://www.joaquimhailer.com/photodetail.php?photoid=19620&eventid=49&page=1 |
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| 03:28.29 | `ls` | Maquis: or http://BZFlag.org/ ;-) |
| 03:28.42 | Maquis | ls huh? |
| 03:28.49 | Maquis | `ls`: huh? |
| 03:28.53 | Maquis | (that worked better) |
| 03:28.59 | Maquis | oh... |
| 03:29.01 | `ls` | Maquis http://addictinggames.com/crab.html <-- for those of you who enjohy truly addicting games... |
| 03:29.01 | Maquis | i get it... |
| 03:29.05 | Maquis | yes... |
| 03:29.08 | `ls` | =_ |
| 03:29.16 | Maquis | bzflag is addicting, but i get picked on when i try to play it... |
| 03:29.24 | TimRiker | heh |
| 03:29.30 | Maquis | i'm not any good... and my computer's not good enough... |
| 03:29.35 | Maquis | which makes a really bad combination |
| 03:29.51 | Maquis | (i usually am sitting down around -50-something... |
| 03:29.53 | Maquis | ) |
| 03:30.06 | TimRiker | popularity still climbing: http://list.bzflag.org/bzflag.html |
| 03:30.20 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:30.25 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 03:30.36 | Maquis | my desktop has hw 3d, but i've had some issues getting it working... |
| 03:30.40 | Maquis | my laptop just doesn't... |
| 03:33.04 | Maquis | how old of a laptop? |
| 03:33.42 | Maquis | (mines going on 3 years... and it's starting to have some issues... |
| 03:35.46 | LeviHome | My stupid laptop keeps eating batteries. |
| 03:36.01 | LeviHome | Finally got linux back on it, and now it only runs on AC power. |
| 03:37.27 | mheath | Anyone here familiar with ProFTPd? |
| 03:38.30 | LeviHome | Not really, except that apparently it was installed on my old server, as Debian is upgrading it. |
| 03:38.48 | mheath | Something got screwed up... |
| 03:38.53 | mheath | No commands work for me |
| 03:38.58 | mheath | When I login..... |
| 03:39.51 | mheath | Oh, nevermind.. |
| 03:42.29 | JoshH | i use proftpd, but its a pretty simple setup |
| 04:01.15 | goozbach | ~seen sjansen |
| 04:01.17 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@dhcp194.openinternet.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 1d 22h 37m 31s ago, saying: '~lart Debian and it's "partialy installed" packages'. |
| 04:29.22 | goozbach | is there any valid reason that init should be taking 80-90% of my cpu? |
| 04:33.50 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.05 | mheath | Well |
| 04:34.21 | mheath | Unless you have a really, really, really long inittab that contains hundreds of weird lines :D' |
| 04:34.32 | goozbach | thought not |
| 04:34.35 | mheath | Then it might take a bit of CPU to parse it. Heh. |
| 04:34.49 | mheath | Otherwise, init's just supposed to fork and run stuff. Should be using very little CPU. |
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| 04:36.04 | goozbach | hmmm very suspisious that vontrapp shows up just now... |
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| 04:37.08 | mheath | goozbach: well... |
| 04:37.29 | mheath | The rule of thumb (in my opinion) when you encounter a potential bug or problem: 1) Check your config, 2) Upgrade the software |
| 04:37.53 | mheath | Then be suspicious :) |
| 04:38.08 | goozbach | hmm looks to be a file locking issue with a xen virtual machine |
| 04:38.51 | goozbach | shouldn't have caused init to go all wonky but killing the other process dropped init back to about 0 |
| 04:41.03 | mheath | I should just run busybox init :) |
| 04:53.28 | mheath | Hahaha. |
| 04:53.57 | mheath | A whole bunch of countries signed a legally binding contract, promising for lower emissions, less pollution, etc... |
| 04:53.59 | goozbach | early he might add |
| 04:54.07 | mheath | President Bush refused to sign because it would "hurt the economy" |
| 04:54.22 | mheath | goozbach: 'night. |
| 05:14.12 | mrpull | anybody else ever have problems with the management boards on Lpr's ? |
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| 05:34.57 | findlay | |lart Maquis |
| 05:39.03 | findlay | ibot: the Messe c-moll, K 427 is a fine masterpiece. Einstein once referred to it as ``a fine toroso'' referring to the fact that Mozart never completed the work with which he showed off his new wife, who sung one of the soprano solo parts in the first performance. |
| 05:39.04 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, findlay |
| 05:39.09 | findlay | fine |
| 05:39.14 | findlay | |lart ibot |
| 05:41.52 | findlay | |lart Maquis really quick before I have to go |
| 05:42.01 | TimRiker | ~lart brigham |
| 05:42.15 | TimRiker | ~insult brigham |
| 05:44.12 | LeviHome | findlay: You sure like classical music, eh? |
| 05:46.00 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.55 | TimRiker | supposed to be pda friendly. ie: I use it from my blackberry. |
| 05:47.32 | goozbach | nice |
| 05:47.51 | TimRiker | just noticed I typoed the hymns. fixing. |
| 05:47.56 | hans | slick. how big is it? or, rather, how big would a pluckerized db of it be? |
| 05:48.44 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.00 | TimRiker | I expect the plucker would be larger. |
| 05:49.18 | hans | hmm. that's promising. I might be able to prune out some of the more trivial stuff and get a pdb to fit in 8M |
| 05:49.26 | hans | might be worth dusting off the old pda anyway. |
| 05:49.32 | LeviHome | Hi hans. |
| 05:49.44 | hans | hi LeviHome |
| 05:49.56 | TimRiker | updating with the hymn fixes now. |
| 05:50.05 | LeviHome | hans: I just wrote up an intro to Smalltalk syntax, if you're interested. |
| 05:50.31 | TimRiker | hmm. some paths are still messed. |
| 05:51.14 | hans | LeviHome: yeah, I'd like to read it. can you drop me an email with it? hans@fugal.net |
| 05:51.18 | hans | on my way to bed now |
| 05:51.56 | LeviHome | Done. G'night! |
| 05:52.44 | LeviHome | TimRiker: A little nit: hymn numbers aren't page numbers. But other than that, looks very cool. |
| 05:54.14 | TimRiker | LeviHome: where does it clain that? |
| 05:54.27 | TimRiker | ahh... fixing. |
| 05:55.15 | LeviHome | Time for me to go to bed, too. |
| 05:55.21 | LeviHome | G'night! |
| 06:03.29 | TimRiker | will plucker do inter-database links at all? |
| 06:05.08 | mrpull | Tim... why not use the official docs from lds.org? |
| 06:09.24 | TimRiker | hymns are fixed. |
| 06:09.46 | TimRiker | mrpull: have you tried that on a pda? they are awful. |
| 06:09.58 | mrpull | yes. but it was with pocket pc |
| 06:09.59 | TimRiker | mrpull: and if you build a plucker of them they are huge! |
| 06:10.05 | mrpull | I take you are a palm guy |
| 06:10.05 | mrpull | ? |
| 06:10.19 | TimRiker | even with a pocketpc they are awful. |
| 06:10.44 | mrpull | oh...yeah... you are a ex-lineo'er |
| 06:11.11 | mrpull | i've got 64 MB CF card for PocketPC... |
| 06:11.11 | TimRiker | these version work much better on my zaurus, fit on an SD card so I don't need to be online. and work on a pocketpc as well. |
| 06:11.16 | mrpull | so the size is reasonable |
| 06:12.14 | mrpull | that makes sense. |
| 06:12.34 | mrpull | however, I do flinch when people redistribute content |
| 06:12.46 | mrpull | not that you would... but someone may modify it |
| 06:12.54 | mrpull | (rember the BOM wiki?) |
| 06:13.00 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.01 | mrpull | errrr |
| 06:13.08 | mrpull | s/rember/remember/ |
| 06:13.54 | TimRiker | er s/say/saw/ |
| 06:14.12 | mrpull | some dude took did a copy/paste from lds.org to a wiki |
| 06:14.30 | TimRiker | these are for my own personal use. though the scripts to generate the same for your self are public. |
| 06:14.33 | mrpull | he claimed to be a future missionary.... |
| 06:14.47 | mrpull | but I had my doubts |
| 06:14.55 | TimRiker | what's the point in putting it in a wiki? |
| 06:15.08 | mrpull | dunno. why would anyone want to modify it? |
| 06:15.16 | mrpull | that's why I had my worries. |
| 06:15.33 | mrpull | there was a long thread about it in the plug mailing list. |
| 06:15.38 | TimRiker | I suppose adding more links as you study might be nice. but I don't think I'd do that on a public site. |
| 06:16.07 | mrpull | yeah. I think the potential for misuse outweighs the usefullness (for a public site) |
| 06:16.53 | mrpull | don't take my comments as criticism. i was just curious. |
| 06:17.58 | TimRiker | how large is your CF version? and which format do you use? |
| 06:18.25 | mrpull | i'm thinking 16mb'ish |
| 06:18.40 | mrpull | YanCEyWare |
| 06:20.45 | mrpull | lds.org links to them. |
| 06:20.59 | mrpull | and provides all but the standard works from their site |
| 06:21.22 | mrpull | but the standard works are available from the developer's page |
| 06:21.52 | TimRiker | the format is not open though correct? So nobody can implement a reader for a different OS. |
| 06:22.20 | mrpull | probably so. |
| 06:22.33 | mrpull | i think it is a superset of html |
| 06:22.55 | TimRiker | uncompressed? I find that hard to believe. |
| 06:24.01 | mrpull | I'm not certain. Size wasn't ever an issue for me, so I didn't look under the covers. |
| 06:27.52 | mrpull | yeah. looks like there are tools to convert html to ybk |
| 06:28.18 | mrpull | html should compress nicely tho |
| 06:28.45 | mrpull | depends on the old cpu vs storage argument |
| 07:08.34 | SpecialK | There was a guy on Thursday who developed a high speed compression algorithm. |
| 07:09.46 | SpecialK | He developed it for Lawrence Livermore labs because they run molecular simulations with 98 terabytes worth of data produced. |
| 07:10.26 | SpecialK | And the processors produce it a lot faster than they could write it to disk. |
| 07:12.16 | tene | they could just have 98 TB of RAM |
| 07:17.50 | TimRiker | heh |
| 07:18.22 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.52 | Newsome | hmm, running memtest on 98 TB of RAM would be a pretty decent lart! |
| 07:22.07 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:20.44 | xbmodder | hey! |
| 08:20.47 | xbmodder | wasup! |
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| 12:52.14 | mheath | 'morning |
| 14:34.53 | Mecworks | Wow. Maquis up at 7ish, not 2 or 3ish... |
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| 14:57.16 | Maquis | Mecworks: yeah... |
| 14:57.23 | Maquis | especially given what time i went to bed last night... |
| 14:57.34 | Maquis | i was originally planning on getting up around 3:30 |
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| 15:49.29 | vontrapp | ok, this is wierd |
| 15:49.58 | vontrapp | i try to get a dhcp lease on the 2.6.10 kernel, over wireless via ndiswrapper, and i get this message: |
| 15:50.14 | vontrapp | af_packet: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module |
| 15:50.31 | vontrapp | FATAL: couldn't listen on socket, Address family not supported by protocol. |
| 15:51.18 | brailsmt | anyone know what libnsl is? |
| 15:51.47 | vontrapp | hmm, looks like i'm getting the same disagrees message for all modules |
| 15:52.12 | bigdog_ut | brailsmt, http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/man-cgi?libnsl+3LIB |
| 15:53.12 | hans | sounds like time to reinstall the kernel |
| 15:54.05 | bigdog_ut | vontrapp, is there not some wireless modules to install w/ kernel |
| 15:54.43 | vontrapp | bigdog_ut: it's not the wireless module, it loaded fine |
| 15:54.49 | vontrapp | it's the af_packet module |
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| 15:55.13 | vontrapp | yeah, something went screwy with that kernel. gonna have to rebuild |
| 15:55.24 | hans | my bet is your module(s) are out of sync with your kernel. build and install both again |
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| 16:21.47 | levi | Good morning. |
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| 16:25.19 | goozbach | levi: no it isn't |
| 16:25.59 | levi | Sounds like someone's got a case of the mondays! |
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| 16:29.39 | MScool | Hello there, I am new to the IRC thing, however, I have a question, are there any openssl gurus out there? |
| 16:31.12 | MScool | Any openssl gurus out there? |
| 16:31.36 | bigdog_ut | im not, but i can try and help |
| 16:31.52 | MScool | that would be wonderful, like I said I am new, so I don't if I am doing this right. |
| 16:32.09 | bigdog_ut | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:32.51 | MScool | Anyways, I wanted to know if there is a way that you can feed the information needed to create a certificate in Openssl, if you can feed it through Standard input to get something signed and the return that signed entity. |
| 16:33.00 | MScool | That is the gist of what I am doing. |
| 16:33.34 | bigdog_ut | so you want to pass in like a file and see if you can get it signed as output? |
| 16:34.06 | Jayce^ | or autogen a batch of certs (or programmatically) |
| 16:34.38 | MScool | Something along those lines. I would like to pass say the Organizational Unit and other info needed to create the cert. |
| 16:34.48 | MScool | That's the first part, then return the certificate. |
| 16:35.41 | bigdog_ut | i would think that you could create a file w/ all the values |
| 16:35.48 | bigdog_ut | not sure though |
| 16:36.22 | MScool | Alright. I thought there might be a way, any of you know of a good openssl tutorial or place to find out the information? |
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| 16:38.18 | MScool | Well, thanks for helping I will see what I can do. |
| 16:38.30 | bigdog_ut | check out openssl.org |
| 16:38.45 | MScool | will do. thanks for the help. |
| 16:38.46 | hans | MScool: search for how to generate a request without user input. Signing a request is easy (see the man page ca(1)) |
| 16:38.59 | hans | if I am remembering correctly |
| 16:39.03 | MScool | thanks. hans. |
| 16:39.45 | MScool | I have to go, but will be back. |
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| 16:41.04 | hans | I hope that's Ms. Cool, not MS is cool. |
| 16:41.12 | Jayce^ | ah |
| 16:41.13 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:41.44 | hans | or perhaps M at Scool |
| 16:42.13 | bigdog_ut | hans, ca does except batch mode w/ config files |
| 16:42.34 | levi | hans: You have a chance to look at that link? |
| 16:42.36 | hans | yeah, I thought I remembered that. It's generating the request that I wasn't sure about. |
| 16:42.39 | hans | levi: no, not yet. |
| 16:43.01 | hans | new headphones should be here in a couple of day.s |
| 16:54.45 | hans | Maquis: brigham's lost again |
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| 17:08.28 | levi | hans: You should read it. It's not really very long. |
| 17:27.28 | bonez41 | hans: with the asterisk and ip telephony stuff you are into...do you use a standard telephone, or an IP phone? I am thinking i need to invest in some IP phones....for better sound quality.. |
| 17:30.23 | goozbach | lart peregrine |
| 17:30.30 | goozbach | er |lart peregrine |
| 17:30.38 | goozbach | |lart peregrine |
| 17:30.42 | goozbach | stupid mondays |
| 17:30.50 | goozbach | ~lart peregrine |
| 17:30.55 | goozbach | oh yeah |
| 17:31.04 | goozbach | I finally got it to work |
| 17:36.25 | hans | bonez41: jsmith would be the more experienced one with that, but as I understand it if you have the right asterisk hardware a regular analog phone should have the same quality |
| 17:38.51 | tensai | assuming the lines are good and aren't running next to power lines |
| 17:42.25 | jsmith | hans: What? Huh? |
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| 17:48.03 | spr | ~dance |
| 17:48.04 | ibot | ACTION becomes steve ballmer |
| 17:48.19 | spr | not quite what I was thinking, but I guess it'd work |
| 17:49.47 | goozbach | ibot doesn't want to be ibot anymore ok then I will |
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| 18:05.14 | Maquis | hans: thanks for letting me know |
| 18:05.23 | hans | ~lart vontrapp |
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| 18:05.34 | vontrapp | |lart hans |
| 18:05.41 | hans | |hug ibot for v-day |
| 18:05.55 | hans | ~hug brigham |
| 18:05.57 | ibot | ACTION hugs brigham |
| 18:06.10 | Maquis | |lart valentine's day |
| 18:06.16 | hans | ~announce engagement |
| 18:07.30 | levi | I'm still not a big fan of v-day. |
| 18:07.45 | Maquis | :) |
| 18:09.47 | levi | I used to be bitter about not having a girlfriend to share it with. Now I'm bitter about being obligated to do something special on a particular day, which happens to be the same day that every other guy is obligated to do something special, making special stuff like going to a restaurant difficult. |
| 18:09.50 | hans | Maquis: you're bitter. what about all the guys in the world that have to step up to the plate every february 14 and pretend to be romantic just because society thinks it's a good idea. |
| 18:10.14 | hans | levi++ |
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| 18:10.37 | Maquis | hans: what's wrong with that? |
| 18:10.59 | hans | what's wrong with what? |
| 18:11.00 | vontrapp | how can i find out what device this actually is? |
| 18:11.02 | vontrapp | 0000:02:04.2 System peripheral: Texas Instruments: Unknown device 8201 (rev 01) |
| 18:11.18 | vontrapp | Maquis: nothings wrong with it, go ahead and be bitter |
| 18:11.23 | levi | Not to mention all the stupid v-day stuff clogging the stores. |
| 18:11.35 | vontrapp | *ekh* |
| 18:11.43 | Maquis | hans: there's nothing wrong with having a particular day focused on being romantic... |
| 18:11.58 | hans | Maquis: not if you enjoy fake romance |
| 18:12.01 | JoshH | there is if youre a guy |
| 18:12.12 | Maquis | if it's fake, then you've got other problems |
| 18:12.21 | JoshH | why cant we have a day dedicated to watching action movies? |
| 18:12.22 | hans | I would think the girls ought to figure out that obligated romance isn't doing them a favor |
| 18:12.30 | Jayce^ | hans++ |
| 18:13.01 | vontrapp | i also have this number: 006d |
| 18:13.12 | Maquis | it's supposed to just be a time to express the romance that just doesn't come out other times... it's not "obligated romance" per se... |
| 18:13.22 | vontrapp | what spec-sheets, whatever can i search for that device? |
| 18:13.45 | vontrapp | Maquis was bitter, now she's defending it... |
| 18:13.51 | Maquis | personally, i'm bitter, but i still think that it needs to exist... |
| 18:14.05 | levi | Maquis: Nevertheless, defining a single day for everyone to do that is bad logistics. |
| 18:14.19 | vontrapp | |lart logistics |
| 18:14.24 | JoshH | its funny how roses cost about 6000 times more today than they do any other day of the year |
| 18:14.39 | hans | I got my wife a live mini carnation |
| 18:14.41 | Maquis | levi: i won't deny that... |
| 18:14.45 | levi | JoshH: Part of the logistics problem. |
| 18:15.01 | Maquis | but how would they split it between days? |
| 18:15.04 | levi | Perhaps with a bit of gouging thrown in. |
| 18:15.11 | hans | Maquis: probably alphabetically |
| 18:15.17 | hans | it works for elementary schools |
| 18:15.46 | levi | Maquis: For married people, we have a nice yearly occasion called an anniversary that we can use for the day to express romance that doesn't usually come out. |
| 18:15.56 | levi | Unmarried people can use the anniversary of their first date or whatever. |
| 18:16.01 | levi | V-day is unnecessary. |
| 18:16.05 | Maquis | meh... |
| 18:16.06 | JoshH | its just about money |
| 18:16.10 | JoshH | just like any other holiday, even christmas |
| 18:16.42 | Maquis | ick! |
| 18:16.43 | vontrapp | at least christmas you get work off |
| 18:16.48 | hans | Maquis: if our "obligated" argument doesn't hold water, how about this one? Valentines day is the perfect day for stalkers, suitors, creeps, and xbmodders everywhere |
| 18:16.50 | JoshH | lol true |
| 18:16.58 | levi | Heh. |
| 18:17.01 | Maquis | newton used to probe his own eyeball with pins.. |
| 18:17.19 | vontrapp | is that safe? |
| 18:17.28 | Maquis | hans: very true... my roommate had a problem with that... but still.... |
| 18:17.53 | levi | Maquis: I thought it'd be a nice day, too. But it's not. I couldn't get into a decent restaurant on Saturday due to its proximity to v-day. |
| 18:18.13 | levi | Won't be any better today. |
| 18:18.26 | Maquis | meh |
| 18:20.44 | hans | I don't hate valentines day, probably because my wife doesn't have unrealistic expectations for it. I was just trying to give you a reason not to need to be bitter about it. ;-) |
| 18:20.44 | vontrapp | drats, the sharpest thing i can find is this ballpoint pen |
| 18:20.58 | hans | vontrapp: what are those black dots on your eye? |
| 18:21.00 | dataw0lf | eh, my girlfriend has unrealistic expectations. |
| 18:21.10 | dataw0lf | she'll find out just how unrealistic when she gets off work. |
| 18:21.13 | JoshH | mine too |
| 18:21.23 | JoshH | my GF, not my wife |
| 18:21.31 | JoshH | but luckily, she wanted to handle the v-day stuff today |
| 18:21.31 | vontrapp | i'm unsure what's expected of me. hopefully not unrealistic |
| 18:21.35 | hans | tell us your valentines horror stories |
| 18:21.41 | JoshH | so she got some tickets to the harlem globetrotters tonight from her work |
| 18:21.47 | hans | vontrapp: you're dating. the one time when valentines is useful |
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| 18:22.12 | dataw0lf | useful? useful for draining my bank account, maybe. |
| 18:22.28 | vontrapp | oh yeah, i have to email strongbad |
| 18:22.38 | Maquis | vontrapp: yeah... if you're dating someone, definitely do something for her... |
| 18:23.42 | JoshH | holy crap |
| 18:23.49 | JoshH | iprovo just may make me move to utah county |
| 18:23.57 | JoshH | http://irc.whiteley.org/~bart/iProvo/snapshot4.png |
| 18:25.19 | hans | don't forget about trying to find a babysitter on valentine's day |
| 18:25.41 | dataw0lf | for my girlfriend? |
| 18:25.42 | dataw0lf | good idea. |
| 18:25.50 | vontrapp | lol |
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| 18:28.17 | vontrapp | any ideas on finding out about that device? do i need to post the lspci stuff again? |
| 18:28.46 | hans | lspci -v |
| 18:29.03 | vontrapp | von@dernhelm ~$ sudo lspci -s 2:4.2 -vv |
| 18:29.03 | vontrapp | Password: |
| 18:29.03 | vontrapp | 0000:02:04.2 System peripheral: Texas Instruments: Unknown device 8201 (rev 01) |
| 18:29.03 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.21 | vontrapp | and more stuff about capabilities, control, status, etc. |
| 18:29.25 | Jayce^ | hrm, new New Order sounds like the good classic New Order... SCORE1 |
| 18:33.26 | levi | Jayce^: Is the new single out? |
| 18:33.40 | levi | Jayce^: And which do you consider good classic New Order? |
| 18:38.15 | Jayce^ | levi, grabbed a pre-release rip |
| 18:38.22 | Jayce^ | always good to check it out.. |
| 18:38.51 | levi | Mm, nice. |
| 18:38.56 | levi | I haven't run across one yet. |
| 18:39.08 | Jayce^ | oink.me.uk (login required) has one.. |
| 18:39.41 | levi | Eh, that would require me to expend effort. :) |
| 18:39.46 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 18:40.00 | levi | I'll hear it eventually. |
| 18:40.00 | Jayce^ | got the 80mb torrent in about 10mins, maybe.. |
| 18:40.07 | Jayce^ | sounds good.. |
| 18:40.22 | levi | I'm behind a firewall here, so torrents don't do me much good. |
| 18:55.10 | Jayce^ | supposedly 2" in the valleys tonight.. |
| 18:55.46 | vontrapp | that means i'll probably end up driving tonight |
| 18:56.37 | xbmodder | hello anyone here today? |
| 18:56.44 | goozbach | nope |
| 18:56.56 | xbmodder | levi, i have a server just for torrents. i always SSH into it when i need it |
| 18:57.33 | hans | how does one go back to the old one core file way? |
| 18:57.41 | hans | I don't want a bazillion core files |
| 19:04.49 | vontrapp | core: |
| 19:05.00 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.05 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.19 | hans | har har |
| 19:05.20 | vontrapp | then: make core |
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| 19:06.40 | vontrapp | you can even have your other rules depend on the core rule, so you always have one core |
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| 19:09.28 | spr | I do believe the dumping of core files is controled by ulimit. Might want to check there |
| 19:09.50 | brailsmt | try 'ulimit -c unlimited' |
| 19:10.10 | brailsmt | nm... |
| 19:10.21 | MScool | I have a unique problem. I am trying to get some information about Openssl, any gurus present? |
| 19:10.33 | brailsmt | that was an answer provided before reading the question... |
| 19:17.14 | MScool | Are there any openssl gurus present? Or anyone that knows how I might be able sign key pairs via a stream and return the signature all within streams? |
| 19:19.10 | goozbach | MScool: you could script it I believe |
| 19:19.24 | vontrapp | might want to look at ca |
| 19:19.25 | MScool | gooz: could you expound on that? |
| 19:19.37 | MScool | vontrapp: which ca? |
| 19:19.42 | MScool | a program? |
| 19:20.00 | vontrapp | hans: that's what it's called, right? |
| 19:20.09 | vontrapp | yeah, a program |
| 19:20.23 | MScool | interesting, where can I find information on that? |
| 19:20.53 | goozbach | using your scripting language of choice, create a script that takes standard in, and runs the openssl command then outputs a signed cert. |
| 19:22.13 | MScool | gooz: I would like to stray from that path. I am having to write in Java, and would like to use the Runtime.exec() function to pass strings to openssl to generate the cert. Upon creation, I would like to pipe the resulting cert back to standard out to stream it to Java for later usage. |
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| 19:23.04 | goozbach | there are probally some java libaries that would do that for you. |
| 19:23.32 | brailsmt | i would count on there being java libraries to do that... |
| 19:24.06 | MScool | alright, thanks for the heads up. I will look into some Java Libraries for that. |
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| 19:30.51 | bbeattie | Anyone worked with tc/iproute? |
| 19:31.01 | hans | what's that? |
| 19:31.12 | hans | do you mean iproute (aka iproute2)? |
| 19:31.31 | bbeattie | yes |
| 19:31.38 | hans | I use it all the time |
| 19:31.43 | goozbach | tc is the traffic control part of iproute2 |
| 19:31.48 | goozbach | I believe |
| 19:31.54 | hans | well never messed with tc then |
| 19:32.10 | bbeattie | tc is traffic control. I've googled to find claims that tc can do bandwidth limitations on mac address only, but there's no info in docs or that google can find with examples on how. there's no man page for tc that's useful |
| 19:32.44 | hans | look in the lartc? |
| 19:34.17 | bbeattie | I have been, still pouring through it. |
| 19:37.41 | goozbach | ~praise google |
| 19:37.43 | ibot | All hail google! |
| 19:40.06 | MScool | For a new comer, I kinda like IRC. it let's me learn a lot of new cool stuff from a lot of different people. |
| 19:41.51 | goozbach | google is nice |
| 19:42.55 | goozbach | nice google! |
| 19:49.46 | MScool | Anyone familiar with Arbitrary extensions in openssl? |
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| 19:52.12 | brailsmt | is there an openssl howto on tldp? |
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| 19:52.22 | MScool | what is tldp? |
| 19:52.39 | goozbach | ~dict tldp |
| 19:52.57 | goozbach | ok so ibot doesn't know |
| 19:52.59 | goozbach | but I do |
| 19:53.01 | bigdog_ut | ~search tldp |
| 19:53.05 | MScool | ok |
| 19:53.10 | goozbach | the linux documenttation project |
| 19:53.17 | goozbach | er documentation |
| 19:53.43 | MScool | AH, ok that makes sense. I haven't looked in the tldp, |
| 19:53.51 | MScool | sorry "." not ","; |
| 19:54.05 | goozbach | or less... anywho I haven't had the right amount |
| 19:54.33 | goozbach | I can't hear my heartbeat yet so I think I need more |
| 19:54.40 | MScool | lol |
| 19:55.45 | brailsmt | is bawls any good? |
| 19:55.51 | brailsmt | compusa seels it by the case... |
| 19:56.09 | MScool | what is bawls? |
| 19:56.14 | MScool | never heard of it? |
| 19:57.38 | MScool | nothing on the tldp for openssl |
| 19:57.49 | MScool | Openssl documentation is very sketchy at best |
| 19:58.13 | goozbach | caffiene by the ounce... more or less: www.bawls.com |
| 19:58.33 | MScool | Ah, I understand what bawls is now. |
| 20:02.24 | brailsmt | is it any good, though? |
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| 20:05.06 | goozbach | very |
| 20:05.10 | goozbach | but I'm biased |
| 20:06.55 | tensai | can you trust a junkie while he's high anyway? |
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| 20:20.59 | stuporglue | I have to write a +/- 20 page business plan. It's got to look really good, have some graphs and some images (graphs could be done as images if needed). Is LaTeX what I should be looking at? |
| 20:21.43 | hans | worth a look anyway |
| 20:21.45 | spr | of course! |
| 20:21.54 | hans | I wouldn't bother with it if you want a look other than the "latex look" |
| 20:22.07 | goozbach | I'd use oowriter and create a pdf |
| 20:22.27 | spr | Of course with the wide range of style options in LaTeX, you should be able to find something nice |
| 20:22.49 | stuporglue | I'm handing it in on paper, so it doesn't matter if it ends up as PDF or what, it's just got to look good. |
| 20:23.36 | hans | school? did the teacher show an example that s/he made? |
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| 20:24.33 | stuporglue | It's for BYU's Business Plan Competition. Here's a sample: http://bpc.byu.edu/b_plan.pdf |
| 20:26.16 | stuporglue | What's the "latex look"? |
| 20:28.23 | hans | stuporglue: it's the look that's so hard to get from a traditional word processor that nobody ever tries and so it is obvious you used latex. Usually a good thing, if it fits the bill, and especially where latex is the norm (scientific papers). |
| 20:29.19 | hans | but it's not your standard psuedo-desktop publish look |
| 20:29.32 | stuporglue | So maybe if this is going to be presented to sudo-business people, then Latex might not be the right look? |
| 20:29.54 | hans | and it doesn't cater to stupid teachers who want things with very specific margins or fonts, etc. |
| 20:30.28 | hans | stuporglue: it's possible. So, you need to look at some latex stuff and decide for yourself. |
| 20:31.01 | hans | but, if it is by all means you want latex. You'll get the best output for your effort for sure. |
| 20:31.19 | stuporglue | No teacher here, just judges from the business school. I understand that latex can to foot notes, re-arrange sections, and bibliographies, as well as headers and sections pretty easily. Is that right? That's what I'm interested in it for. But whatever I use, it has to look nice. |
| 20:31.56 | hans | yup |
| 20:31.56 | stuporglue | It can do picture inserts too? |
| 20:31.57 | hans | yes |
| 20:32.14 | stuporglue | Cool. I think I'm going to try it then. :) |
| 20:32.16 | hans | I recommend typing it up as text. then copy that and mark it up as latex and see if you like it |
| 20:32.33 | hans | if you do, you can play with all the special stuff until it's perfect. if not, just cut and paste into oowriter or whatever |
| 20:32.55 | hans | if lyx is already installed, copying it into lyx would be the super-fast way of seeing what the latex look is. |
| 20:33.41 | stuporglue | That's a good idea. I'm trying to install LyX on OSX here, to try it out. |
| 20:34.39 | hans | i wouldn't spend too much effort on that. I've very rarely used lyx' output direct. Usually I end up heavily modifying it, and wishing I'd started in plain latex to start with. :) |
| 20:35.03 | hans | but if it's not too hard to install then yes. |
| 20:35.16 | hans | it has been traditionally difficult to install, in my experience. but that was years ago |
| 20:35.23 | hans | before debian. ;-) |
| 20:35.38 | stuporglue | Ok. I've never used latex before though. I missed the meeting too. :( |
| 20:36.28 | hans | http://www.latex-project.org/guides/ |
| 20:36.37 | stuporglue | thanks! |
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| 20:37.04 | hans | that user guide also serves as an example output. |
| 20:38.46 | hans | but I'd start with the (not so) short intro |
| 20:39.06 | hans | rosegarden 1.0 released today! |
| 20:44.30 | Bradipo | rosegarden, the composition application? |
| 20:44.35 | Bradipo | Er, music composition. |
| 20:45.05 | hans | the midi sequencer, yes. |
| 20:45.10 | Bradipo | Nice. |
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| 20:49.14 | vontrapp | |lart Maquis |
| 20:49.39 | levi | hans: There were Linux apps before Debian? ;) |
| 20:49.55 | hans | levi: so I hear. I never really could get them installed |
| 20:50.11 | bucky | yes... it was called slackware |
| 20:50.33 | levi | Yeah, I installed slackware (and SLS) from floppies. |
| 20:50.36 | bucky | and before that... |
| 20:52.27 | levi | I try not to think about those days too much, though. |
| 20:52.42 | bucky | lol |
| 20:52.45 | Jayce^ | especially those times that disk #44 crapped out on you.. |
| 20:52.51 | levi | Indeed. |
| 20:53.33 | levi | dselect was actually useful back then. |
| 20:53.50 | levi | Since there weren't 15 billion different packages. |
| 20:53.52 | Jayce^ | and user friendly for tools :) |
| 20:53.58 | Jayce^ | compared to others :) |
| 20:54.19 | Jayce^ | course, I can't really talked much, I used BSD back then |
| 20:55.08 | levi | Back when I started with Linux, there were still copyright issues hanging over free BSDs. |
| 20:55.37 | Bradipo | I did Slackware on 40 floppies. |
| 20:55.45 | levi | I wasn't picky, I just wanted something unix-like on my computer without paying a fortune for it. |
| 20:55.49 | hans | I used to back up to floppies. |
| 20:55.51 | Bradipo | That was one of the most exciting times of my life. |
| 20:55.51 | Jayce^ | yeah, I didn't have the drive to do it in those days, so watched my friends with it |
| 20:55.53 | hans | 10 or 15 or so |
| 20:56.00 | hans | talk about an excercise in futility |
| 20:56.06 | bucky | my buddy had some garage sale computer he was enamored with had some dos memory scheme that only allowed it to use about 2.3 M of ram |
| 20:56.16 | Bradipo | Getting a UNIX like OS to replace my Windows 3.1 system that didn't even work. |
| 20:56.18 | Bradipo | That was great. |
| 20:56.18 | bucky | only thing we could install on it was Ham |
| 20:56.42 | Bradipo | Slackware is still running on my PC at home. |
| 20:57.07 | hans | my story is sad. the first time I heard the word unix, I think, was when I watched Jurassic Park |
| 20:57.14 | Bradipo | Haha. |
| 20:57.15 | levi | Heh. :) |
| 20:57.27 | levi | Hey, this is a Unix system! I know this! |
| 20:57.53 | hans | is that wacky file system browser a real program? |
| 20:57.57 | levi | I had a free unix account on a public access machine at the time, and I wondered what kind of bizarre unix system that could be. |
| 20:58.05 | levi | hans: I believe it is. |
| 20:59.10 | levi | Some SGI thing. |
| 20:59.22 | levi | Yeah, here we go: http://www.sgi.com/fun/freeware/3d_navigator.html |
| 20:59.25 | Bradipo | The first time I saw HP-UX at BYU I knew that I wanted to work only on UNIX systems. |
| 20:59.34 | JoshH | "the net" has a few unix mentions also |
| 20:59.40 | Bradipo | And HP-UX wasn't even that great, but it was a lot better than Windows. |
| 20:59.56 | JoshH | and they show an impossible IP address on the screen |
| 20:59.58 | Jayce^ | my first hands on, was linux inside of os/2 :) then I went to college and they had VMS still :) |
| 21:00.10 | Bradipo | USU? |
| 21:00.11 | brigham | USU is definitely having issues. |
| 21:00.26 | hans | brigham: that is so last week. |
| 21:00.28 | brigham | but that are interesting expirements, or worth benchmarking vs alternatives.. |
| 21:00.44 | hans | |forget that |
| 21:00.44 | brigham | can do! |
| 21:00.53 | Bradipo | I remember logging into USU systems to help my sister with them. |
| 21:01.07 | Bradipo | Definitely a different OS. |
| 21:03.23 | jsmith | Bradipo: VMS wasn't that different than the Y-VAX at BYU... |
| 21:03.51 | Jayce^ | ricks |
| 21:03.52 | Bradipo | jsmith: Nope, but I didn't have to use Y-VAX either. |
| 21:03.59 | Bradipo | Well, at least not that often. |
| 21:04.09 | levi | I scoffed at it at the time, but now I wish I'd explored VMS more. |
| 21:04.50 | hans | selena's will be the first xmission hotspot in utah county |
| 21:04.57 | jsmith | Bradipo: But it was fun to be able to talk between the VMS system at USU and the VAX stuff at BYU |
| 21:05.15 | jsmith | Bradipo: And I had all kinds of l33t scripts to tell me if any of my friends were online, etc. |
| 21:06.09 | hans | as of sometime monday |
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| 21:16.25 | vontrapp | hans: cool |
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| 21:16.50 | vontrapp | hans: what kind of dealyo/contract/agreement type thing is it? |
| 21:19.27 | stuporglue | One more latex/lyx question. What program should I use to view dvi files? |
| 21:19.33 | byronc | stuporglue: xdvi |
| 21:20.10 | hans | we pay qwest, they lend the equipment (and set it up) and provide ISP services. |
| 21:20.13 | hans | and advertise |
| 21:20.14 | stuporglue | thanks |
| 21:20.19 | hans | to whatever extent they do that |
| 21:20.38 | hans | stuporglue: there's dvips too |
| 21:20.46 | vontrapp | ~ssid |
| 21:21.21 | vontrapp | ~essid |
| 21:23.37 | vontrapp | ~ssid is service set identifier |
| 21:23.38 | ibot | vontrapp: okay |
| 21:23.48 | vontrapp | ~essid is extended service set identifier |
| 21:23.49 | ibot | okay, vontrapp |
| 21:23.53 | vontrapp | |essid is extended service set identifier |
| 21:23.54 | brigham | fine |
| 21:24.00 | vontrapp | |ssid is service set identifier |
| 21:24.00 | brigham | sure |
| 21:25.14 | joshc | brigham, be my valentine |
| 21:25.17 | scott_ | anyone used pageant? |
| 21:25.32 | hans | scott_: as in putty agent? yes. |
| 21:25.48 | scott_ | hans, do you have to change some setting in putty for it to use pageant? |
| 21:26.06 | hans | no |
| 21:26.08 | joshc | new low: valentines day rejection from an irc bot |
| 21:26.21 | joshc | brigham never seemed to like me much anyway |
| 21:26.41 | scott_ | hans, I put the public key in authorized_keys and I loaded the private into pageant, but it still asks for my login password. any ideas what I missed? |
| 21:26.59 | hans | check the log on the server |
| 21:27.21 | hans | and make sure you did the public key right. |
| 21:27.27 | scott_ | which log would this be in? |
| 21:27.28 | hans | one line, no spaces in the key |
| 21:27.42 | hans | scott_: depends, but probably either /var/log{auth,secure} |
| 21:28.16 | scott_ | oh, there are spaces.. does it not need ssh-rsa at the beginning and the comment at the end/ |
| 21:28.28 | hans | well, yes |
| 21:28.37 | hans | ssh-rsa, space, key, space, comment |
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| 21:39.47 | tene | this is odd... |
| 21:44.54 | joshc | so i guess yoda really does sound more like grover than miss piggy, right? |
| 21:45.09 | joshc | it's strange that my whole life i've associated the voice w/ miss piggy. |
| 21:45.15 | joshc | until recently. |
| 21:45.48 | Bradipo | jsmith: That's sweet. I never learned enough about VAX/VMS (never had a need). |
| 21:46.29 | joshc | any of you ever see the wookie christmas special? |
| 21:46.37 | levi | Well, they're all Frank Oz, right? |
| 21:47.04 | joshc | did frank oz do all of em? |
| 21:47.06 | goozbach | joshc: yep |
| 21:47.16 | goozbach | ... on the frank oz thing |
| 21:47.17 | joshc | goozbach - dude - wasnt it the best show ever? |
| 21:47.21 | joshc | awwww |
| 21:47.31 | joshc | cmon man, *someone* mustve seen it? |
| 21:47.42 | goozbach | and the christmas special thing as well |
| 21:47.47 | joshc | sweetness |
| 21:47.59 | joshc | man, that was one of those special experiences |
| 21:47.59 | goozbach | I have it avalible in divx if anyone wants it |
| 21:48.15 | goozbach | along with both ewok movies |
| 21:48.15 | joshc | no kidding? i thought the whole thing got like perma-banned by lucas |
| 21:48.38 | joshc | im not familiar with the ewok movies - just that christmas special. |
| 21:48.48 | Jayce^ | the ewok movies were really bad :) |
| 21:49.04 | joshc | i can imagine. |
| 21:49.05 | goozbach | give me a second to upload them to a server.. |
| 21:49.09 | joshc | lol |
| 21:49.11 | goozbach | Jayce^: I dissagree |
| 21:49.17 | goozbach | I liked the ewok movies |
| 21:49.26 | joshc | but, how'd you like the xmas special? |
| 21:49.58 | goozbach | meh it wasn't _bad_ |
| 21:50.04 | joshc | LOL |
| 21:50.10 | levi | Heh. |
| 21:50.14 | joshc | dude - that was brutal |
| 21:50.19 | levi | High tolerance for cheese, I guess. |
| 21:50.20 | goozbach | its something that each self-respecting starwars geek has to see at least once |
| 21:50.27 | joshc | i mean, those wookies and all |
| 21:50.33 | goozbach | lumpy... |
| 21:50.36 | joshc | LOL |
| 21:50.39 | joshc | HAHA |
| 21:50.43 | vontrapp | what does this mean? |
| 21:50.44 | vontrapp | ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host |
| 21:50.57 | joshc | it means the other computer didnt like you |
| 21:50.59 | levi | vontrapp: You got rejected. |
| 21:51.07 | goozbach | denied! |
| 21:51.16 | levi | vontrapp: On Valentine's Day. By a COMPUTER. |
| 21:51.20 | vontrapp | oh, i know, they don't have ssh turned on |
| 21:51.28 | joshc | hey, brigham rejected me |
| 21:51.58 | mheath | ~reject joshc |
| 21:51.59 | mheath | :D |
| 21:52.27 | joshc | it was sort of an implicit rejection. he ignored my invitation to be my valentine. |
| 21:52.41 | joshc | cold. very cold. |
| 21:52.55 | joshc | that wookie special should get a bit torrent going on it |
| 21:53.11 | levi | joshc: Frank Oz was most of the muppets. See his imdb credits: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000568/ |
| 21:53.16 | joshc | they should've put it on the star wars series DVD |
| 21:53.29 | vontrapp | what port does the mac remote desktop work on? |
| 21:53.30 | joshc | levi: i see |
| 21:53.31 | Jayce^ | frank oz rokcs |
| 21:53.33 | Jayce^ | rocks |
| 21:53.52 | joshc | speaking of imdb - you guys ever use screenit.com? |
| 21:53.56 | joshc | it's a bust up |
| 21:54.23 | goozbach | I used to before it went all non-free |
| 21:54.32 | joshc | it's non-free now? |
| 21:55.00 | joshc | i love the sterile, clinical analysis of the movies |
| 21:55.17 | joshc | 32 'F' words, 13 'SH' words... |
| 21:55.28 | levi | Orbital - P.E.T.R.O.L. is not a very good track to attempt to work to. |
| 21:55.30 | joshc | jonny cuts off the villians head, blood gushes out |
| 21:55.57 | joshc | sharon smoke a cigar, eddy comments on sarahs breasts |
| 21:56.05 | joshc | i mean - who writes that stuff?? |
| 21:57.18 | joshc | crud, i cant find wookie christmas in the imdb |
| 21:58.25 | jakea | hans: Well, what did you think of the end of the trilogy? |
| 21:58.46 | levi | Heh. I think I ran across screenit.com before. I was annoyed at their interpretation of some things. |
| 21:59.38 | joshc | levi, like what? i always thought they were pretty 'right on' with there pigeon-holing |
| 22:00.01 | levi | I don't remember, it was a long time ago. |
| 22:00.37 | joshc | i found it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0193524/ |
| 22:00.42 | joshc | 1978 |
| 22:00.59 | levi | It may have been some other 'family-friendly' movie review site. |
| 22:02.02 | joshc | i guess screen-it is family friendly in that it gives out info families care about, but they screen everything in gory detail |
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| 22:02.43 | levi | Right, I mean geared towards informing parents what sort of 'harmful' things are in movies. |
| 22:03.21 | levi | I think the one I was reading was far more opinionated than the clinical screenit reviews. |
| 22:03.59 | joshc | maybe so. i always liked screenit b/c they were so darn clinical about things, it was hilarious just reading there stuff |
| 22:04.40 | joshc | i cant believe anyone sits there and counts every bad word in every movie. |
| 22:04.54 | joshc | i mean, how on earth could you keep track in a movie like scar face? |
| 22:05.13 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.32 | mheath | I have ProFTPd setup so anonymous gets put into /home/ftp/ |
| 22:06.17 | mheath | I want to link "users" in that directory to /home, so if they go into users they can access people's homes dirs |
| 22:06.28 | mheath | (if the user priv. their stuff appropriately) |
| 22:06.58 | mheath | But the link "users -> /home" is getting interpreted as ftp://ip/home/ |
| 22:07.28 | joshc | mheath, good question - but i have a better one. since when did leann rimes start making banner ads about eczema medication? |
| 22:07.34 | vontrapp | what are your favorite stupid user passwords? |
| 22:07.44 | hans | password |
| 22:07.46 | mheath | vontrapp: password :) |
| 22:07.54 | vontrapp | :) tried that one already |
| 22:08.01 | hans | name variations |
| 22:08.01 | mheath | When I was much younger (about 7), several of my passwords were "helloworld" |
| 22:08.13 | Jayce^ | 1 - 2 - 3 ... (hey that's my combination) |
| 22:08.19 | joshc | passwd |
| 22:08.25 | bucky | mydogsname |
| 22:08.26 | joshc | or no password at all |
| 22:08.41 | joshc | just run crack on it with the default dictionary |
| 22:09.13 | hans | yeah, if it's a dumb enough password to guess crack will probably find it. (unless you happen to know the person real well) |
| 22:09.22 | levi | joshc: Ahh, I think I was thinking of the CAP movie reviews. |
| 22:09.32 | hans | o/~ The hills are alive! |
| 22:11.26 | joshc | levi - oh i see. i'm looking at it here, and i think someone sent me a link to their review of the southpark movie or something as a joke |
| 22:12.44 | vontrapp | is installing crack on a mac pretty trivial? |
| 22:13.00 | vontrapp | i would have to have the user install it remotely |
| 22:13.12 | vontrapp | and we all know how fun that can be |
| 22:13.19 | joshc | so, isnt it a little strange for a "christian" site to watch review a bunch of super-non-christian movies, and then write all about them, sort of messed up? |
| 22:13.45 | joshc | vontrapp - if its bsd-mac then it shouldnt be too bad |
| 22:14.08 | joshc | but i dont know lots about os10, and its been a few years since i installed/used crack |
| 22:14.15 | hans | vontrapp: you wouldn't need to install it there, just have them send you the passwd file. |
| 22:14.36 | vontrapp | ah, true |
| 22:14.36 | joshc | does os10 have a 'normal' passwd file? |
| 22:14.46 | hans | that's what I don't know. |
| 22:15.08 | vontrapp | it has /etc/master.passwd |
| 22:15.18 | vontrapp | unfortunately, it doesn't have read permission :( |
| 22:15.37 | vontrapp | and the user has no idea what the password is, so can't get to it. |
| 22:15.59 | joshc | dude - dont you have 733t hax0r skills? |
| 22:16.32 | vontrapp | hmm, looks like master.passwd doesn't have actual passwords either |
| 22:16.36 | joshc | compile a quick kernel module that opens up the passwd file in the kernel and then spit it out to stdout |
| 22:16.40 | vontrapp | ~lart mac |
| 22:16.46 | levi | joshc: I think I was really annoyed at their review of some movie I thought was particularly uplifting. They trashed it due to some extremely narrow moral blinders. |
| 22:17.06 | joshc | yeah, well that's them there christians for ya.. |
| 22:17.31 | joshc | i stick w/ the clinical analysis and then make up my mind. |
| 22:17.57 | joshc | but usually i just watch it - and i can tell in the first few minutes if its garbage or not. |
| 22:17.58 | levi | joshc: In looking for that one, I found another christian movie review site. It had a 'moral offensiveness' rating as well as an 'artistic quality' rating. It was funny seeing them have 'extremely offensive' moral ratings along with max stars for artistic value. |
| 22:18.13 | joshc | lol. |
| 22:18.21 | vontrapp | i tried sending the user my public key to save in their .ssh/authorized_keys, but now the email seems to have gone awol |
| 22:18.39 | joshc | that's super. but can you picture some christian pastor sitting and watching blue velvet? i mean, c'mon, why bother? |
| 22:19.10 | joshc | seems like they should make a white list instead of a black list |
| 22:19.49 | vontrapp | what is the de-facto editor for mac? |
| 22:20.04 | hans | levi: which move was that? |
| 22:20.11 | Jayce^ | vi |
| 22:20.38 | hans | Jayce^: haven't seen that flic |
| 22:20.41 | joshc | hey von, if its a super easy passwd, cant you pipe /usr/dict/words into a quick script and see if it anything pops out? |
| 22:20.59 | joshc | i saw vii though |
| 22:21.02 | joshc | it was kinda gross |
| 22:21.28 | levi | hans: http://www.christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/2005/sideways2004.html |
| 22:21.33 | vontrapp | i could, but this is a remote clueless we're talking about |
| 22:21.39 | Jayce^ | hans, answering vontrapp's queston |
| 22:23.04 | joshc | havent seen sideways |
| 22:23.22 | joshc | i'm not big into comedies |
| 22:23.40 | joshc | er, dramatic comedy |
| 22:23.50 | joshc | no one got my seven joke |
| 22:23.54 | joshc | or they thought it was dumb |
| 22:24.10 | JoshH | i havent seen seven for about 7 years |
| 22:24.10 | JoshH | at least |
| 22:24.11 | JoshH | so i wouldnt get it |
| 22:24.29 | joshc | no naunce on this irc thing |
| 22:24.43 | joshc | it was a play on vi, meaning 6 |
| 22:24.57 | JoshH | ah, ya i got that one |
| 22:25.00 | joshc | and jayce answering vons question |
| 22:25.06 | joshc | okay, so im lame |
| 22:25.23 | joshc | and i probably should get some work done. |
| 22:25.31 | JoshH | i knew you were playing on vi = 6, but i didnt realize you were talking about the movie seven |
| 22:25.40 | JoshH | basically i thought it was dumber than it actually was. :P |
| 22:26.17 | joshc | lol. "yeah, it's dumb, but not as dumb as i thought it was." :-P |
| 22:26.30 | joshc | yes, dumb. okay - i'll ttyl. good luck vontrapp |
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| 22:28.35 | mheath | Ah, I figured it out |
| 22:28.43 | mheath | anonymous gets chrooted, so /home doesn't exist for it |
| 22:28.52 | mheath | mount --bind /home /home/ftp/users fixed it |
| 22:30.08 | mheath | Be *right* back |
| 22:32.37 | vontrapp | ok, no easy way to get a public key into a file on this persons computer? |
| 22:32.49 | vontrapp | they're not getting my email |
| 22:33.18 | vontrapp | maybe it's getting filtered as spam or something |
| 22:33.26 | vontrapp | anyone have a mac.com address? |
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| 22:34.55 | vontrapp | probably doesn't like fugal.net |
| 22:35.00 | vontrapp | ~lart mac |
| 22:37.44 | mheath | Can you all do me a favor? |
| 22:37.56 | mheath | See if ftp://67.161.213.34/ works. |
| 22:38.36 | hans | mheath: yes |
| 22:38.58 | mheath | Cool... |
| 22:39.01 | mheath | Hmm.\ |
| 22:39.02 | jakea | hans! |
| 22:39.19 | hans | jakea: I haven't watched it yet |
| 22:39.20 | mheath | I wonder whats going on then.. |
| 22:39.30 | mheath | If I access my server with ftp://localhost/ it works fine |
| 22:39.51 | mheath | If I try to access it on here with ftp://67.161.213.34/, it times out..Hm. |
| 22:39.52 | hans | it does work fine for me. |
| 22:40.10 | jakea | here is something for you hans: http://www.trektoday.com/news/130205_01.shtml |
| 22:40.12 | mheath | hans: thanks |
| 22:41.20 | tensai | mheath: I see your banners says "(RevolutioNet ProFTPd Server) [192.168.0.200]". It's behind a firewall then? |
| 22:41.45 | tensai | often the firewall won't port forward from inside back inside |
| 22:41.52 | hans | jakea: interesting. riker/troi but no time travel. |
| 22:42.27 | mheath | tensai: it works fine in other situations, with other servers. |
| 22:42.41 | jakea | it'll prolly be some sort of flashback thing |
| 22:42.56 | tensai | hmm. can you connect on 192.168.0.200? |
| 22:43.50 | mheath | tensai: yep |
| 22:44.06 | mheath | Weird... |
| 22:44.14 | mheath | Now it's working on 67.161.213.34 |
| 22:44.18 | mheath | Wasn't a minute ago. |
| 22:44.28 | mheath | Might have been my router. I've been having major reliability problems with it lately. |
| 22:45.11 | tensai | strange. you might want to configure proftpd not to advertise your internal ip address |
| 22:46.31 | mheath | Well... |
| 22:46.37 | mheath | Hmm. |
| 22:47.54 | vontrapp | is there a text browser that comes installed default on a mac osX? |
| 22:48.13 | levi | Safari with images turned off? ;) |
| 22:48.16 | vontrapp | ~lart mac's lac of useful utilities |
| 22:48.22 | vontrapp | levi: terminal based |
| 22:48.25 | tensai | levi: what's your middle name? |
| 22:48.35 | levi | tensai: Why do you ask? |
| 22:48.36 | JoshH | strauss? |
| 22:48.50 | levi | vontrapp: Why would a mac need such a thing preinstalled? |
| 22:49.04 | tensai | levi: the wife and I are thinking of naming our baby levi but we can't think of a middle name that sounds good |
| 22:49.11 | JoshH | i dont even think any linux distros include lynx/links in the base system |
| 22:49.25 | levi | tensai: Well, mine is Gene. It's a family name. |
| 22:49.34 | JoshH | tensai: danger. |
| 22:49.38 | JoshH | its the perfect middle name |
| 22:49.48 | levi | I used to hate my name, but I like it now. It's fairly unique without being too weird. |
| 22:49.58 | tensai | JoshH: lol. I'll suggest it but don't hold your breath. |
| 22:50.28 | JoshH | ya, my GF ruled it out for a future middle name too |
| 22:51.16 | mheath | JoshH: slackware includes links :) |
| 22:51.36 | JoshH | mheath: its on the cd, you have to choose to install it though |
| 22:51.43 | mheath | No |
| 22:51.45 | JoshH | which i guess is close enough actually |
| 22:52.03 | mheath | If you do full install, it's included.... |
| 22:52.12 | JoshH | ya, i never do full install though |
| 22:52.18 | mheath | If you do expert install, it's on by default. |
| 22:52.18 | JoshH | i do have links on mine thuogh |
| 22:52.24 | JoshH | but i remember picking it in the menu install |
| 22:52.38 | JoshH | i always do the menu option |
| 22:52.49 | mheath | Only if you do "Prompt on everything" ('Newbie') is it not a default |
| 22:53.07 | JoshH | actually it was checked by default |
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| 22:53.09 | JoshH | so youre right |
| 22:53.51 | JoshH | mheath: you running 10.1? |
| 22:54.02 | mheath | JoshH: Yeah |
| 22:54.09 | mheath | On this server (just installed it yesterday) |
| 22:54.14 | JoshH | same... i wiped freebsd for 10.1 a few days ago |
| 22:55.02 | JoshH | on my desktop though |
| 22:55.08 | JoshH | im far too lazy to wipe my server |
| 22:55.58 | mheath | I'm waiting until Gnome 2.10 to wipe my desktop |
| 22:56.06 | mheath | I'm going to install Slackware 10.1 and build gnome 2.10 |
| 22:56.15 | JoshH | i was thinking about that |
| 22:56.18 | JoshH | ive never built gnome by hand before |
| 22:56.27 | mheath | It can be a *BIG* pain |
| 22:56.31 | JoshH | and if patrick thinks its a pain, im sure it is |
| 22:56.49 | mheath | It's extremely modular, and it has over a hundred components you all have to build |
| 22:57.03 | JoshH | maybe ill just have you make packages for me. :P |
| 22:57.15 | JoshH | i used to use dropline, but i dont want to do that anymore |
| 22:57.18 | mheath | I'm working on a slackware-based distro |
| 22:57.55 | JoshH | by the time slackware 11 is out though ill probably just install debian |
| 22:58.02 | JoshH | or maybe try ubuntu finally |
| 22:58.14 | mheath | Except, it's RPM based. (Temporarily, in the future I have plan to create a unique package format) |
| 23:00.09 | mheath | The way he maintains the tree of Slackware packages...it just begs to be RPM based :) |
| 23:00.41 | JoshH | heh |
| 23:00.50 | JoshH | i dont wanna have this discussion again. ;) |
| 23:01.33 | JoshH | me and rpm is like sjansen and debian. |
| 23:01.45 | mheath | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.00 | JoshH | package managers/formats |
| 23:03.29 | mheath | Hmm... |
| 23:04.44 | JoshH | do you use garnome or just do it all manually or what? |
| 23:05.06 | mheath | I do it manually. |
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| 23:07.48 | JoshH | do you have to do a lot that isn't well documented/ |
| 23:08.00 | mheath | Nope |
| 23:08.33 | mheath | It's mainly just downloading, tar xvfz-ing, cd-ing, ./configure-ing, make-ing, make install-ing |
| 23:08.48 | mheath | over and over and over |
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| 23:23.27 | JoshH | sounds easy enough |
| 23:23.54 | vontrapp | is windows ME more like xp or 2000 or 98 or what? |
| 23:24.01 | JoshH | 98 |
| 23:24.23 | hans | it's more like a nightmare |
| 23:24.51 | goozbach | more like a kick in the balls |
| 23:25.25 | hans | hence the all caps ME |
| 23:25.34 | vontrapp | they pretty much broke the control panel from what i can tell here |
| 23:25.41 | mrpull | ME is based on the 9x kernel |
| 23:25.47 | mrpull | but has elements from the 2000 UI |
| 23:26.01 | mrpull | avoid it like the plague |
| 23:27.27 | JoshH | i actually hate it less than 98 though |
| 23:28.17 | JoshH | it doesnt need to copy cab files or use the CD whenever you change a network setting |
| 23:29.10 | mrpull | i can think of very few reasons to still use a 9x variant |
| 23:29.25 | vontrapp | i can't think of much reason to use any variant |
| 23:29.29 | JoshH | well me neither |
| 23:29.38 | mheath | JoshH: I used both a lot... |
| 23:29.39 | vontrapp | except to get at my card reader |
| 23:29.43 | JoshH | but when youre helping someone else with their old crappy computer, its better if they have ME than 98 |
| 23:29.54 | mheath | (ME back in the day when my dad refused to upgrade and I hadn't discovered Linux)... |
| 23:30.00 | mheath | 98SE is *much* more stable than ME. |
| 23:30.13 | levi | ME is such a pile. |
| 23:30.14 | JoshH | not really |
| 23:30.18 | hans | um, yes |
| 23:30.19 | JoshH | neither of them are stable at all |
| 23:30.28 | JoshH | they both require about the same amount of daily reboots |
| 23:30.41 | hans | but 98 doesn't eat your lunch as often |
| 23:30.46 | JoshH | true |
| 23:30.48 | hans | ME is just a nightmare. plain and simple |
| 23:31.02 | levi | I'd rather mess with someone's 98SE than ME. |
| 23:31.26 | JoshH | i would just rather fix someone elses ME machine than someone elses 98 machine, because its easier to fix. at least with internet related issues. |
| 23:31.40 | mheath | ME = a quick attempt to make a new version of Windows. They seemed to have given up half way through, and left things half done. |
| 23:32.20 | JoshH | ive never had to restore the winsock file in ME. ive had to tons of times on 98. |
| 23:32.41 | vontrapp | ya know, if it weren't that vendors are dorks and refuse to let linux have decent drivers, windows would not have a chance |
| 23:32.57 | mheath | vontrapp: thats not the problem |
| 23:33.12 | mheath | Almost all moderately common software has Linux drivers. |
| 23:33.16 | vontrapp | ok, and software too, i guess |
| 23:33.23 | mheath | I've talked to a lot of people... |
| 23:33.29 | JoshH | seriously, it seems like everything just went perfect for windows. there was no unix on the PC, apple required their hardware for their OS, etc. |
| 23:33.35 | mheath | The reasons they use windows over linux: |
| 23:33.38 | JoshH | so windows was able to get to the top even though it was inferior in every way. |
| 23:33.44 | mheath | Software compatability, their familiar with it |
| 23:33.52 | dataw0lf | familiarity is the biggest thing. |
| 23:33.55 | JoshH | and now its just so entrenched |
| 23:34.05 | dataw0lf | not everyone has the brain capacity nor time to 'learn' a new OS. |
| 23:34.21 | mheath | Hey.. |
| 23:34.26 | mheath | does explorer.exe run in Wine? |
| 23:34.40 | dataw0lf | I mean, I just got off the phone explaining how to copy and paste to my grandmother. |
| 23:34.45 | JoshH | but see |
| 23:34.53 | dataw0lf | Twenty minutes to explain the difference between copying and cutting. |
| 23:34.56 | JoshH | those people dont know how to use windows any more than know how to use linux or a mac |
| 23:35.09 | dataw0lf | it's still familiarity. |
| 23:35.12 | dataw0lf | and they don't know that. |
| 23:35.18 | JoshH | they just get used to where on the screen they need to make their clicks to see their email or whatever |
| 23:35.20 | dataw0lf | everyone and their mom thinks they know Windows. |
| 23:35.22 | mheath | JoshH: that doesn't matter. |
| 23:35.29 | mheath | Yeah, they don't really know how to use Windows... |
| 23:35.32 | bucky | yeah but with ME you can patch it to have real DOS mode |
| 23:35.35 | mheath | But they like the little button that says "Start" |
| 23:35.46 | mheath | You put a menu that has a little foot on it, and it confuses them. |
| 23:35.49 | vontrapp | linux can have that too |
| 23:35.51 | JoshH | lol |
| 23:35.58 | mheath | They can figure it out, but its'sweird. Its not comfortable for them. |
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| 23:36.09 | goozbach | I tell them tough |
| 23:36.10 | hans | fvwm has a win95 clone look that would fool my grandma |
| 23:36.18 | dataw0lf | I mean, look at how many people are still using IE over, well, nearly any other browser. |
| 23:36.20 | mheath | Wait |
| 23:36.22 | vontrapp | so does icewm |
| 23:36.25 | hans | the problem is not the know-nothings. they can be fooled easily enough |
| 23:36.26 | findlay | hans: would it fool my grandma? |
| 23:36.27 | goozbach | you use linux, or I don't do your tech support... |
| 23:36.31 | hans | it's the people who think they know what they're doing |
| 23:36.40 | mheath | Why not just run explorer.exe in Wine? |
| 23:36.45 | bucky | mheath, afaik it does.. i want to know if trillian runs in wine |
| 23:36.48 | JoshH | goozbach: but then you need to support their linux also. |
| 23:36.55 | dataw0lf | hans: what, the guys who flash their bios and think they are 'uber 1337'? |
| 23:37.00 | JoshH | which is fine, as long as you can ssh to them. |
| 23:37.05 | hans | dataw0lf: precisely. :) |
| 23:37.13 | goozbach | JoshH: yes, but tis much easier to ssh into a machine and fix things |
| 23:37.18 | dataw0lf | hans: ;) Power Users. I know these types. |
| 23:37.49 | mheath | My dad is insanely against Linux. |
| 23:37.56 | findlay | mheath: why? |
| 23:37.59 | hans | they came by their l33tness after much toil, and they resist change into an OS where they don't feel like king |
| 23:38.00 | dataw0lf | Heh, my dad is insanely for Linux. |
| 23:38.06 | mheath | findlay: I don't know. |
| 23:38.07 | hans | nevermind they aren't king in windows either |
| 23:38.19 | mheath | I asked him onece to just LOOK at my computer, so I could show him stuff for 1-2 minutes.. |
| 23:38.22 | hans | mheath: does he prefer the hurd? |
| 23:38.25 | JoshH | i know a guy whose dad refuses to use linux because its not made by a huge corporation. |
| 23:38.26 | mheath | He always refuses. |
| 23:38.27 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 23:38.42 | findlay | my I've talked to my dad about FLOSS, and he seems to understand it quite well |
| 23:38.56 | dataw0lf | My Dad uses only Apple products. I'm pretty sure he'd choke Bill Gates if he ever ran into him. |
| 23:39.18 | findlay | probably uses BSD (: |
| 23:39.21 | mheath | My dad used to be an amazing programmer, and an excellent hardware engineer. |
| 23:39.42 | dataw0lf | Eh, my Dad doesn't know enough to back up his beliefs, he just has em. |
| 23:39.43 | mheath | Now he just uses Windows XP and AOL :) |
| 23:40.34 | mheath | Sitting by his computer.. |
| 23:40.44 | synic | bzflag! |
| 23:40.53 | mheath | "WindowsXP Tips and Tricks" |
| 23:40.55 | mheath | Sitting by... |
| 23:40.58 | dataw0lf | I knew that would get him going, I think synic has bzflag on highlight. |
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| 23:41.09 | mheath | "Compiler Design and Construction" |
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| 23:55.37 | Bradipo | Here's a good one... |
| 23:55.46 | Bradipo | I have a file with a list of items. |
| 23:56.00 | goozbach | what format? |
| 23:56.08 | Bradipo | I want to grep another file for occurrences of the list items. |
| 23:56.15 | Bradipo | Just a single item per line. |
| 23:56.25 | Bradipo | I could do a loop, but 500 greps seems inefficient. |
| 23:56.35 | Bradipo | I guess I could concatenate all of them into an egrep statement. |
| 23:57.35 | goozbach | Bradipo: sort both lists then do a vimdiff |
