| 00:01.37 | brailsmt | how do I configure postfix to use spamd/spamc? |
| 00:02.43 | tene | gah, X crashed right as I was about to send this email. |
| 00:03.47 | hans | ~hug headphone.com |
| 00:03.49 | ibot | ACTION hugs headphone.com |
| 00:12.23 | Maquis | goozbach: why are you mocking me? |
| 00:13.38 | brailsmt | Maquis: "cuase' you awwe vewwy mockable" |
| 00:14.34 | jsmith | Bradipo: Where? What's MAS? |
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| 00:18.56 | tene | hrmm... |
| 00:19.08 | tene | my old comcast account is still subscribed to uuglist, it seems. |
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| 00:27.21 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
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| 00:55.47 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 00:55.54 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, guess whatg |
| 00:56.09 | tene | |lart brigham |
| 00:56.16 | tene | ~lart ibot |
| 00:57.58 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: what? |
| 00:59.56 | Maquis | |praise byu for providing the safari bookshelf |
| 01:01.08 | tene | safari bookshelf? |
| 01:01.27 | Maquis | tons of oreilly books electronically |
| 01:01.35 | tene | hrmm... I wonder if I sent that email to the list correctly... |
| 01:01.44 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, nobody is dead |
| 01:01.57 | xbmodder_lappy | do you know any flower shops that take paypal? |
| 01:03.29 | Maquis | nope... |
| 01:03.36 | Maquis | 1-800-flowers.com might |
| 01:03.49 | tene | how long of a delay is there usually between sending a emssage to the list and it being distributed? |
| 01:03.56 | Maquis | tene: which list? |
| 01:04.11 | tene | uug-list |
| 01:04.34 | Maquis | depends on how it's feeling |
| 01:06.02 | tene | 'kay |
| 01:06.17 | tene | I'm just worried for some irrational reason that I didn't post correctly. |
| 01:06.24 | Maquis | possible |
| 01:06.32 | Maquis | you're subscribed, right? |
| 01:06.40 | tene | yeah |
| 01:06.53 | xbmodder_lappy | 5 minutes |
| 01:07.59 | tene | 'kay |
| 01:08.10 | Maquis | you're not stuck in the queue right now |
| 01:08.42 | tene | I'll just try to keep my random paranoia down for a bit... |
| 01:09.34 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 01:12.33 | xbmodder_lappy | so how you guys doingz? |
| 01:12.55 | tene | I'm feeling pretty great. |
| 01:13.02 | xbmodder_lappy | thats cool |
| 01:13.05 | tene | I'm getting stuff cleaned and sorted and ready to get rid of. |
| 01:13.07 | xbmodder_lappy | mr. 16 year old punk |
| 01:13.10 | tene | I applied for a couple of jobs. |
| 01:13.18 | xbmodder_lappy | thats cool |
| 01:13.26 | xbmodder_lappy | tene, name yourself 16yearoldpunk |
| 01:13.38 | tene | why? |
| 01:16.51 | Maquis | tene: it's here... |
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| 01:17.15 | tene | Yay! My paranoia can go away now! |
| 01:18.04 | Maquis | tene: am i the one you have down for the cat5? |
| 01:18.11 | tene | nodnod |
| 01:18.20 | Maquis | and if so, can i claim the rj45 terminators as well? |
| 01:18.40 | tene | I've probably got more than you'll need, but I was planning on giving them to you anyway. |
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| 01:20.10 | tene | looks like I've got 550-600 |
| 01:27.56 | xbmodder_lappy | i will give someone a server |
| 01:28.01 | xbmodder_lappy | for 15 bucks |
| 01:28.23 | xbmodder_lappy | how much do you think i should charge to sell people routers? |
| 01:28.29 | xbmodder_lappy | hardware+software? |
| 01:28.35 | xbmodder_lappy | not software |
| 01:28.37 | xbmodder_lappy | labor |
| 01:28.43 | xbmodder_lappy | how much labor should i chare |
| 01:28.47 | xbmodder_lappy | charge |
| 01:29.06 | xbmodder_lappy | my labor is about 2-3 hours on these thongs |
| 01:36.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ping! |
| 01:36.36 | xbmodder_lappy | anybody here? |
| 01:36.41 | tene | I am |
| 01:36.55 | xbmodder_lappy | *anybody going to respond |
| 01:39.03 | levi | I thought you were talking about computer stuff, not thongs. |
| 01:39.22 | xbmodder_lappy | things! not thongs! tho thongs are cool too.... |
| 01:39.32 | levi | But the women's underwear business could be lucrative. |
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| 01:39.45 | levi | I don't think you'll sell many on #utah, though. |
| 01:40.18 | xbmodder_lappy | do you think someone's mother would get angry if i got their daughter (perfect catholic school girl) thongs? |
| 01:40.24 | xbmodder_lappy | and or other underwear |
| 01:58.26 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: depends on the mom... probably not a good idea... |
| 01:58.41 | Maquis | mom would be somewhat likely to get mad at her, i'd assume |
| 01:58.57 | tene | err... how will the *girl* feel if you randomly give her a thong? |
| 01:59.39 | bucky | xbmodder, i'm sending your dad a box of rubbers to give you |
| 02:00.32 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 02:00.41 | xbmodder_lappy | hahaha |
| 02:01.07 | bucky | btw.. is this girl legal age? |
| 02:01.07 | xbmodder_lappy | all the parents hate me |
| 02:01.14 | xbmodder_lappy | every parent does |
| 02:01.32 | tene | why? |
| 02:01.48 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: yes... but the important thing is whether or not the girl's parents will get mad at her |
| 02:02.05 | Maquis | bucky: i'd assume that she's not, given xbmodder_lappy's age... |
| 02:02.57 | tene | Why would you be doing this, xbm? All the girls I know would be relatively creeped out by a random guy giving her a thong... |
| 02:03.39 | xbmodder_lappy | she is 13... |
| 02:03.49 | xbmodder_lappy | no, she is my friend |
| 02:03.56 | xbmodder_lappy | a pretty good friend actually |
| 02:04.24 | tene | I... think I'm just going to ignore this channel for a while. |
| 02:04.28 | xbmodder_lappy | haha |
| 02:04.50 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: short answer: bad idea |
| 02:05.02 | Maquis | long answer: very very very bad idea |
| 02:05.23 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: do you know nothing about relationships? :) |
| 02:05.39 | mheath | Why not stick it in her lockerroom locker for her birthday? :D |
| 02:06.02 | mheath | (That was a JOKE in case you couldn't tell...please do not do that.) |
| 02:06.09 | xbmodder_lappy | ok.... |
| 02:06.20 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, i know, i am not that stupid |
| 02:06.29 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, why bad idea> |
| 02:06.29 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 02:06.38 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: read the comments thus far... |
| 02:07.06 | xbmodder_lappy | lots of girls wear thongs |
| 02:07.13 | mheath | Wait. |
| 02:07.20 | mheath | Let me get this right. |
| 02:07.36 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: it's not whether or not she wears thongs... it's the fact that you're a guy... |
| 02:07.42 | mheath | You're...14. And you're given a 13 year old girl a *thong* for a gift? |
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| 02:09.23 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 02:09.32 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, whats so bad about that? |
| 02:09.53 | mheath | Guys don't give girls lingerie |
| 02:10.08 | mheath | Unless you're REALLY, REALLY close/comfortable with the person, or married, etc. |
| 02:10.32 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah..ok... |
| 02:10.33 | xbmodder_lappy | sure... |
| 02:11.50 | Maquis | preferrably married |
| 02:12.21 | mheath | Besides, you even sure she wears a thong? |
| 02:12.30 | mheath | *wears thongs |
| 02:12.33 | Maquis | a lot of girls won't... |
| 02:12.46 | Maquis | and if you are sure, please don't explain why you know that... i really don't care to know |
| 02:12.46 | mheath | Yeah, my point exactly. |
| 02:12.52 | xbmodder_lappy | she does'nt |
| 02:12.57 | bucky | if you did that and you were my kid i'd ground you for a month with no computer privileges |
| 02:13.06 | tene | then why do you want to give her you? |
| 02:13.09 | tene | err |
| 02:13.12 | tene | then why do you want to give her one? |
| 02:13.15 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, girls wear thongs for a reason... |
| 02:13.23 | xbmodder_lappy | to show there... err... yeah... |
| 02:13.32 | mheath | ..... |
| 02:13.34 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: thanks for the info |
| 02:13.45 | mheath | So. You're objective of giving this girl a thong is try and get her to look more slutty. |
| 02:13.50 | mheath | *objective in |
| 02:14.11 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: there are many girls who are not interested in wearing thongs |
| 02:14.17 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah... i know |
| 02:14.23 | jakea | Don't give lingerie to a girl for valentine's day, particularly if it's your wife |
| 02:14.25 | xbmodder_lappy | it actually started as a joke... |
| 02:14.28 | bucky | but that doesn't matter to you cause you're a spoiled unsupervise brat with neglectful parents who really don't want to be bothered with raising children in the first place |
| 02:14.38 | jakea | unless you've gotten her lots of other gifts |
| 02:16.27 | xbmodder_lappy | cuz.. #utah is my life.. |
| 02:16.30 | xbmodder_lappy | not really |
| 02:16.41 | xbmodder_lappy | but this is where i vent |
| 02:16.47 | bucky | mheath, especially when there are more gays per capita in utah than in northern calif |
| 02:16.49 | xbmodder_lappy | and dump whats on my mind |
| 02:16.53 | xbmodder_lappy | heh |
| 02:17.00 | jakea | it's probably not a place where you should vent |
| 02:17.04 | xbmodder_lappy | bucky, so chocolate? |
| 02:17.09 | bucky | doesn't that mean we're progressive? |
| 02:17.19 | xbmodder_lappy | bucky, yeah... |
| 02:17.27 | xbmodder_lappy | it is not.. |
| 02:17.36 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: i'd recommend that you not vent here... |
| 02:17.45 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, why not? |
| 02:17.54 | xbmodder_lappy | or dump what ever is on my mind |
| 02:17.59 | mheath | Freenode is for OSS-based discussions. |
| 02:18.03 | Maquis | because... when you vent, you have a tendency to get yourself yelled at... |
| 02:18.07 | xbmodder_lappy | even tho this is a linux room i use it as a social room |
| 02:18.07 | Maquis | and this isn't the place for it |
| 02:18.12 | xbmodder_lappy | i don't care... |
| 02:18.16 | mheath | Not for asking what gifts to get your girl, or how to help someone with drug problem. |
| 02:18.16 | Maquis | and frankly, we would prefer to stay on-topic most of the time |
| 02:18.21 | xbmodder_lappy | i get screwed over alot... |
| 02:18.21 | mheath | I don't mind getting off topic sometimes... |
| 02:18.28 | mheath | But xbmodder, your constantly off topic. |
| 02:18.38 | xbmodder_lappy | not constantly |
| 02:18.40 | xbmodder_lappy | i try to help |
| 02:18.50 | xbmodder_lappy | but i barely ask questions |
| 02:18.53 | xbmodder_lappy | irc is lif |
| 02:18.54 | xbmodder_lappy | e |
| 02:18.59 | jakea | off topic all the time, not in utah, you've just made my ignore list |
| 02:20.19 | xbmodder_lappy | ok send me away. any other rooms to go to |
| 02:20.20 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 02:20.31 | tene | #flood is nice |
| 02:20.34 | tene | >.> |
| 02:20.35 | tene | <.< |
| 02:20.41 | xbmodder_lappy | seriously |
| 02:21.11 | mheath | xbmodder: all of freenode is dedicated to OSS discussion. |
| 02:21.29 | mheath | If you have no interest in every actually discussing that, you might as well /quit. |
| 02:21.37 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: if irc is life, you've got problems coming up quickly |
| 02:21.41 | mheath | Try EFNet. |
| 02:22.23 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: you're welcome to discuss OSS... but discussing your personal problems is not what we come to this channel for |
| 02:22.32 | Maquis | as exciting as middle school was, i'd prefer not to relive it |
| 02:23.48 | xbmodder_lappy | through my eyes? |
| 02:23.52 | xbmodder_lappy | you don't! |
| 02:23.57 | Maquis | no! i dont! |
| 02:24.01 | xbmodder_lappy | *sarcasm* |
| 02:24.03 | Maquis | i lived through it, and i'm done with that |
| 02:24.42 | xbmodder_lappy | live through it once more please. for me! |
| 02:24.51 | tene | ... ... ... |
| 02:24.52 | Maquis | i come here because i want to learn about Linux/OSS, and i do learn quite a bit when the channel isn't full of discussions about middle school |
| 02:25.45 | jakea | just put him on your ignore list Maquis, soon no one will be listening to him and he'll just leave |
| 02:26.08 | Maquis | i appreciate his comments when he's on topic |
| 02:26.18 | Maquis | it just seems to be getting more and more rare... |
| 02:31.02 | levi | http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=273 |
| 02:31.08 | levi | Interview with Alan Kay |
| 02:31.58 | levi | I also just removed all trace of Magical Trevor from the public portions of my blog. |
| 02:32.29 | levi | 'Magical Trevor Lyrics' was, by far, the most frequent search term that brought people there. |
| 02:32.55 | levi | It was also the most commented-on entry. All really inane comments. |
| 02:33.05 | levi | That's not really the traffic I want. :) |
| 02:43.38 | SpecialK | |lart Magical Trevor |
| 03:00.26 | goozbach | ok so figlet is cool |
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| 04:00.18 | rfugal | hans: test |
| 04:01.12 | Maquis | rfugal: which fugal are you? |
| 04:01.50 | rfugal | I'm the non CS major Fugal |
| 04:02.06 | Maquis | hmmmm... i don't think i know you then... |
| 04:02.10 | Maquis | it's nice to meet you! |
| 04:02.21 | rfugal | nope, probably not |
| 04:02.27 | rfugal | nice to meet you too |
| 04:02.44 | rfugal | I'm #4 of 7 |
| 04:02.52 | hans | he speaks chino |
| 04:07.59 | Maquis | rfugal: ni hao! |
| 04:08.02 | Maquis | ni hao ma? |
| 04:09.39 | rfugal | wo feichang hao |
| 04:10.02 | Maquis | zhen hao a! |
| 04:10.11 | rfugal | danshi wo de pinyin hen cha, tai jiu mei lianxi |
| 04:10.12 | Maquis | ni weishenme hui shuo zhongwen? |
| 04:10.20 | Maquis | haha |
| 04:10.27 | rfugal | wo dou kan zhongwenzi |
| 04:10.39 | rfugal | woqu taiwan chuanjiao |
| 04:15.55 | Maquis | ah... |
| 04:16.22 | Maquis | wo xue zhongwen, keshi mei qu zhongguo haishi taiwan |
| 04:17.08 | Maquis | s/qu/qu guo |
| 04:17.57 | rfugal | name, ni xue zhongwen xue de hen hoa |
| 04:18.19 | Maquis | nali nali :) |
| 04:19.14 | rfugal | ni xue le duo jiu |
| 04:20.23 | rfugal | wo zhengzai install kxterm, ni you mei you yong guo? |
| 04:20.24 | Maquis | wo cong wu nianji dao qi nianji, cong shi yi nianji dao shi er nianji hai you xianzai xue zhongwen... |
| 04:20.35 | Maquis | kxterm? |
| 04:20.47 | Maquis | ni you shenme distro? (see, we're on topic!) |
| 04:21.26 | rfugal | apt-get install kxterm ;) |
| 04:22.07 | rfugal | kx stands for kuaixue |
| 04:22.13 | Maquis | mei yong |
| 04:22.32 | rfugal | hen kuai de xue zhongwen |
| 04:23.01 | Maquis | bu tai kuai. wo shuo de zhongwen bu tai hao... :) |
| 04:26.27 | Maquis | na, hen gaoxing renshi ni. |
| 04:26.47 | Maquis | keshi wo xianzai yao qu zuo wo de gongke! :) |
| 04:26.54 | rfugal | wo ye hen gaoxing renshi ni |
| 04:27.03 | rfugal | hao, zhu ni hao yun |
| 04:27.09 | rfugal | xin nian kuai le |
| 04:27.11 | Maquis | xie xie. ni ne :) |
| 04:27.16 | Maquis | xin nian kuaile! |
| 04:27.55 | Maquis | (wo de jia (zhongwen de jia zai foreign language student residence) xingqi er you yi ge hen da de xinnian wanhui |
| 04:28.18 | rfugal | a, hen hao wan |
| 04:28.27 | Maquis | dui a! |
| 04:28.36 | Maquis | gong xi fa cai! |
| 04:28.46 | rfugal | xie2 |
| 04:30.30 | rfugal | help add |
| 04:30.47 | rfugal | oops wrong window |
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| 04:31.21 | beandog | Anyone want $5 for doing a 2-minute CSS layout for me? I *suck* at this stuff. |
| 04:32.44 | tene | take a look at this: |
| 04:32.46 | tene | http://www.inknoise.com/experimental/layoutomatic.php |
| 04:34.41 | scott_ | beandog, what site? |
| 04:34.54 | beandog | I havent uploaded it yet. |
| 04:34.56 | beandog | I can real fast. |
| 04:42.26 | xbmodder_lappy | what are you guys taking in? |
| 04:46.56 | SpecialK | xbmodder_lappy: good question. I'm taking in a lesson in make files. |
| 04:47.10 | xbmodder_lappy | *talking |
| 04:47.37 | xbmodder_lappy | SpecialK, thats cool, is it hard? they really have a question for automake? |
| 04:47.45 | xbmodder_lappy | sed s/question/course/ |
| 04:48.08 | SpecialK | more of a tutorial. |
| 04:49.04 | xbmodder_lappy | ok... |
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| 05:08.46 | findlay | hello #utah, welcome to Sam |
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| 05:12.16 | findlay | ~lart Maquis |
| 05:13.20 | findlay | no, ibot force her to use GroupWise or Lotus Notes |
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| 05:15.40 | tensai | findlay: you're cruel |
| 05:16.23 | findlay | my personal favorite is GroupWise |
| 05:17.52 | findlay | especially when all email is broadcast to a general school alias, with the message onli indicating that the actual content is to be found in the attached .doc file (-: |
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| 05:20.56 | mheath | GroupWise. Ugh. My school uses that (for the teachers) |
| 05:21.32 | mheath | And Novells stuff.. |
| 05:22.10 | mheath | I've grown to hate Novell. Brand new Pentium 4's, wonderful machines, nicest ones in the school....and it takes 5+ minutes to logon with the Novell service crap they have running. |
| 05:26.12 | findlay | mheath: I wouldn't be surprised if MS had sabotage code for netware |
| 05:26.40 | findlay | it used to be slow here too, but since the newer versions of netware, logins can take less than 5 seconds |
| 05:26.59 | findlay | besides, netware is a very mature, stable OS |
| 05:30.11 | findlay | I was riding trax one day and sat next to a guy who worked for IBM. He said that MS *had* done that with word perfect |
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| 05:30.53 | findlay | I do not vouch for the verity of that claim, yet given MS, I wouldn't put it past them |
| 05:31.29 | mheath | Anyone know someone who would loan me a multiprocessor box, temporarily? |
| 05:31.55 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, maybe |
| 05:32.22 | xbmodder_lappy | what do you need it for... maybe if you can open #utah-social channel and convince everyone to go there listen/talk |
| 05:32.48 | mheath | xbmodder: that kind of channel is against this networks TOS. |
| 05:33.12 | xbmodder_lappy | really? |
| 05:33.15 | mheath | Yes. |
| 05:33.21 | xbmodder_lappy | well can you get it on another server? |
| 05:33.34 | xbmodder_lappy | well what do you need it for |
| 05:33.40 | xbmodder_lappy | and i'll think about it. |
| 05:34.29 | mheath | xbmodder: please shut up. |
| 05:34.37 | tensai | findlay: Caldera won a law suit agains MS for making Windows work worse if it detected DR-DOS |
| 05:34.38 | xbmodder_lappy | what do you need it for? |
| 05:34.45 | xbmodder_lappy | i might be able to help you |
| 05:34.55 | xbmodder_lappy | i have a couple multi-processor boxes |
| 05:35.08 | xbmodder_lappy | two to be exact |
| 05:36.37 | mheath | xbmodder: I'm looking for a new system with 4 processors, so that I can run a couple benchmark tests and write a formal rebutle to MS's newer "IIS > Apache" article. |
| 05:38.19 | mheath | Considering that you are 13 (14?) and live hundreds of miles away from me, I doubt this is something you can provde me. |
| 05:41.54 | beandog | mheath: url? |
| 05:42.22 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, well i have 2 processors i had a 4 processor system but it broke down (my dad's office) |
| 05:43.37 | findlay | IIS > Apache? Apache takes the standard output of IIS? |
| 05:43.54 | xbmodder_lappy | hahah findlay make a joke site |
| 05:44.19 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, become a cancer doctor make them laugh. cure them |
| 05:44.27 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: yeah, that's it |
| 05:44.38 | findlay | that's my life's ambition |
| 05:44.47 | mheath | beandog: I don't have it now |
| 05:44.53 | mheath | I was looking at it yesterday |
| 05:45.03 | findlay | make a joke site... naw I'm not funny enough |
| 05:45.07 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, was that a really mean joke? |
| 05:45.13 | mheath | What I found funny was they were comparing a rather old version of Apache on redhat 8 to Microsoft Server 2003 |
| 05:45.18 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, yeah you are! |
| 05:45.30 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, why not RHEL2? |
| 05:46.41 | xbmodder_lappy | dilbert is so funny today... |
| 05:47.02 | xbmodder_lappy | there was a significant speedup from redhat 8-9 |
| 05:47.36 | findlay | xbmodder_lappy: no, it's called metaphor, or something like unto it, can't remember, but I took a portion of mheath's comment out of context on purpose and proceeded to pretend that I misunderstood it in a predicted way, specifically calculated to elicit humor |
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| 05:48.51 | findlay | mheath: does MS still develop IIS? |
| 05:49.13 | findlay | how is it different than Windows 2003? |
| 05:49.21 | mrpull_ | i think iis 7 is being dev'ed for an upcoming release of 2K3 |
| 05:49.31 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, but that is pretty funny.... |
| 05:49.46 | xbmodder_lappy | how hard/easy is IIS to setup |
| 05:49.54 | xbmodder_lappy | when i did it gave me a headache |
| 05:49.55 | mrpull_ | dead simple |
| 05:49.57 | mheath | findlay: IIS is still the core stuff, I believe |
| 05:50.01 | mheath | Don't quote me on that, though |
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| 06:01.38 | xbmodder | ? |
| 06:01.44 | xbmodder | dataw0lf, hey! |
| 06:01.59 | xbmodder | can you make a non-raid partition into raid0 |
| 06:03.44 | tensai | sure. you just can't automatically boot from one. partition types are nearly meaningless. it's possible to do without them. |
| 06:04.04 | xbmodder | thanks |
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| 06:07.40 | brailsmt | IIS? go with apache instead... |
| 06:08.13 | brailsmt | to secure their IIS servers, Sprint uses Apache proxy servers... |
| 06:09.03 | xbmodder | i like apache... |
| 06:09.12 | xbmodder | brailsmt, really? thats awesome |
| 06:09.36 | brailsmt | yes |
| 06:09.53 | brailsmt | i just got finished setting 8 apache proxies up for them |
| 06:12.16 | xbmodder | wow |
| 06:15.33 | xbmodder | thats cool |
| 06:15.42 | brailsmt | how do I get postfix and spamd/spamc to cooperate? |
| 06:15.56 | xbmodder | there is a guide in gentoo forums |
| 06:16.06 | brailsmt | you have a link? |
| 06:17.08 | brailsmt | found it |
| 06:19.30 | brailsmt | bah, that guide sets it up to run spamc from a procmail recipe... |
| 06:19.41 | brailsmt | i want it to work from postfix... |
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| 06:40.01 | hans | brailsmt: I've seen howtos |
| 06:40.24 | hans | at work amavis runs through the spamassassin module, so I can't tell you from experience how to get it from postfix |
| 06:40.27 | brailsmt | me too, but itdoesn't work |
| 06:40.32 | hans | if you want to run amavis from postfix, though... |
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| 07:03.55 | etahhhh | evenin' all |
| 07:04.13 | etahhhh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.32 | etahhhh | I'm looking to get some stuff off of an EXT2 partition |
| 07:06.22 | etahhhh | I've found R-Linux Data Recovery, which runs on windoze and would probably work |
| 07:07.14 | etahhhh | the bad is it is a laptop hdd and I a would have trouble getting it on a working system |
| 07:07.27 | etahhhh | but I can put a firewire drive on the crashed system |
| 07:07.51 | tene | what stuff? |
| 07:08.22 | etahhhh | mostly just user folder, etc |
| 07:08.42 | etahhhh | and some MySQL data |
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| 07:09.06 | tene | I'd suggest getting a copy of the drive as it is now backed up somewhere |
| 07:09.26 | tene | dd if=/dev/harddrive of=/mnt/firewire/drive.img |
| 07:10.09 | etahhhh | yeah, I tried booting a live cd in order to do that, but it doesn't want to mount the drive |
| 07:10.19 | tene | the firewire drive? |
| 07:10.31 | etahhhh | it spins up, but the BIOS doesn't find it |
| 07:10.43 | etahhhh | no, the internal drive |
| 07:10.43 | tene | ahh |
| 07:10.54 | etahhhh | yeah, could be bad |
| 07:10.59 | tene | that's trouble, then. |
| 07:11.30 | etahhhh | luckily it isn't _my_ machine; belongs to my boss |
| 07:11.35 | etahhhh | ;) |
| 07:14.29 | etahhhh | semi-related, can anybody recommend a place in Utah county who may be able to recover something? |
| 07:14.53 | etahhhh | clean lab, dismantle the drive, all that jazz... |
| 07:16.43 | findlay | anybody here use reiserfs? |
| 07:16.54 | etahhhh | I do |
| 07:17.03 | findlay | do you use vi? |
| 07:17.22 | etahhhh | gvim |
| 07:17.46 | findlay | everytime I save a file on a reiser partition with vim it does a ``Hit ENTER or type command to continue'' |
| 07:17.58 | findlay | and it's very annoying |
| 07:18.26 | findlay | do you know what's going on? |
| 07:21.05 | xbmodder | etahhhh, how much you want to pay? |
| 07:21.40 | xbmodder | 1000 dollars+ there is a really good place in california |
| 07:22.40 | etahhhh | that isn't out of the question, especially if you only pay if they recover your data |
| 07:22.53 | etahhhh | what is the place called? |
| 07:24.00 | etahhhh | findlay, I haven't had any probs like that, but I see how it would get old pretty fast |
| 07:24.33 | etahhhh | I wonder about permissions or a restricted umask or something |
| 07:24.47 | etahhhh | maybe the FS isn't causing it |
| 07:24.47 | findlay | yeah |
| 07:25.02 | findlay | I just reformatted the partition, maybe it's something like that |
| 07:25.26 | xbmodder | http://www.g4techtv.com/callforhelp/features/32390/Prevent_Extreme_Data_Disaster.html |
| 07:25.36 | findlay | and just figured out how to turn on DMA, that combined with reiserfs really speeds up the disk performance (: |
| 07:26.34 | xbmodder | http://www.drivesavers.com/ |
| 07:27.28 | etahhhh | xbmodder, those are rules to follow; we do have it backed up as of last weekend, but being a laptop it was out of the office for a few days and came back dead |
| 07:27.38 | etahhhh | i'll look into drivesavers, thanks |
| 07:29.58 | findlay | ibot: char[7] is the ideal length of a nick |
| 07:29.59 | ibot | findlay: okay |
| 07:30.07 | findlay | ~char[7] |
| 07:30.09 | ibot | [char[7]] the ideal length of a nick |
| 07:30.23 | findlay | ha |
| 07:32.39 | etahhhh | well, thanks for the advice |
| 07:32.56 | etahhhh | I'll worry about it more in the morning |
| 07:42.54 | xbmodder | ok |
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| 09:44.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone here have a server that I can have a 1-2 meg pop3 account on for... well, for tonight and tomorrow? |
| 10:00.04 | findlay | Lone_Wanderer: gmail? |
| 10:00.17 | Lone_Wanderer | can you pop a gmail account? |
| 10:00.21 | findlay | yes |
| 10:00.36 | Lone_Wanderer | server is just gmail.google.com? |
| 10:01.20 | findlay | yau need to be ``invited'' to gmail, but I have 48 invitaions if you want one |
| 10:01.31 | findlay | yes |
| 10:01.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got like 50 |
| 10:01.54 | findlay | OK |
| 10:04.45 | Lone_Wanderer | heh. you can send an invite to yourself, looks like. |
| 10:05.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I could havea 50 gigs of storage space if I sent all these invites to myself and used them. |
| 13:43.15 | Mecworks | moin |
| 13:47.10 | mheath | Mecworks: ohayo gozimasu. |
| 14:15.13 | Mecworks | ohayo |
| 14:20.39 | hans | how does one change the label of a partition to undo the damage redhat has done? |
| 14:24.53 | hans | e2label |
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| 15:11.11 | ECS | |lart Maquis |
| 15:13.11 | Maquis | ~logs |
| 15:13.12 | ibot | somebody said logs was http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl. |
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| 15:17.46 | *** topic/#utah by tensai -> The source for OSS focused communication in Utah. Check out sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, etc. |
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| 16:44.58 | goozbach | http://www.neoflux.com/content/horrible/ |
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| 17:10.16 | goozbach | that is a sfw site btw |
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| 17:23.26 | spr | interesting stuff goozbach, thanks for the link |
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| 17:35.57 | levi | Public schools suck. News at at 11. :) |
| 17:36.19 | bonez39 | levi: what new revelations will the news have today? |
| 17:37.01 | goozbach | man I'm glad I'm not a teacher... OH wait! |
| 17:37.10 | levi | bonez39: Stuff from goozbach's link, probably. |
| 17:38.29 | goozbach | there will be no more talking bad about RH/FC in my classrooms :) |
| 17:40.02 | JoshH | goozbach: ah, thats no fun. :( |
| 17:41.45 | Jayce^ | ~lart FC in goozbach's classroom |
| 17:41.56 | goozbach | JoshH: I'm doing it for the benefit of the other distros |
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| 17:42.25 | goozbach | either every distro gets mocked or not one distro gets mocked |
| 17:42.46 | JoshH | well gentoo mocking should be allowed |
| 17:42.55 | JoshH | of course |
| 17:43.16 | JoshH | not only allowed, but encouraged |
| 17:43.25 | goozbach | yeah but where will it stop |
| 17:43.27 | goozbach | ??? |
| 17:43.39 | goozbach | no mocking any distro |
| 17:43.50 | goozbach | heck... no talking about any distro |
| 17:43.56 | JoshH | lol |
| 17:44.11 | goozbach | you must talk about each and every piece of OSS as a seperate enity. |
| 17:44.25 | goozbach | better yet... |
| 17:44.29 | goozbach | no talking at all |
| 17:44.41 | goozbach | and no looking in my direction |
| 17:44.47 | goozbach | and forget asking questions... |
| 17:44.58 | goozbach | ok I'm done |
| 17:46.17 | erj | mmmm gentoo |
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| 17:53.13 | levi | Ew, gentoo. |
| 17:53.51 | goozbach | ew... bias... |
| 17:53.56 | JoshH | heh |
| 17:55.03 | Bradipo | Any OpenVPN users here? |
| 17:55.17 | goozbach | EW!! openvpn... |
| 17:55.38 | Bradipo | goozbach: Would you rather work with IPSec? |
| 17:55.55 | goozbach | EW!! IPsec |
| 17:55.56 | levi | goozbach: At least it's bias from experience. :) |
| 17:56.08 | goozbach | EW!! pptp |
| 17:56.16 | erj | EW!! EW!! |
| 17:56.31 | goozbach | :) |
| 17:56.32 | Bradipo | I would actually use SSH, but the SSH clients available for PalmOS are less than functional and can't tunnel. |
| 17:56.57 | goozbach | Bradipo: which ones are you using? |
| 17:57.07 | goozbach | pssh seems to work well for me. |
| 17:57.16 | goozbach | of course I haven't tried tunneling. |
| 17:57.38 | erj | anyone know of a way to extract a exe archive in linux? |
| 17:57.56 | byronc | erj: sometimes you can just run unzip on them |
| 17:57.57 | erj | I can't believe IBM would ship Linux binaries packaged in a Windows executable. |
| 17:58.02 | erj | frickin' d0rks |
| 17:58.05 | goozbach | heh |
| 17:58.36 | erj | hehe maybe I should have unzipped before I peed |
| 17:58.53 | goozbach | erj: found a microwave for nukerfest yet? |
| 17:59.12 | erj | no, I think we should pool in a couple bucks a piece and hit DI next time |
| 17:59.22 | erj | I have a huge extension cord and a card adapter, so we are good :-) |
| 17:59.27 | erj | err car adapter |
| 17:59.49 | goozbach | I found some more fun things to do... |
| 17:59.53 | erj | hehe |
| 17:59.59 | goozbach | like giant jawbreakers |
| 18:00.23 | erj | what are they supposed to do |
| 18:00.29 | goozbach | explode |
| 18:01.03 | Bradipo | goozbach: I've tried a couple SSH clients, none of them support tunnelling. |
| 18:01.33 | Bradipo | But, that would be the easiest VPN solution to support on a Palm provided it worked. |
| 18:01.45 | goozbach | carrying on a conversation across three channels is fun |
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| 18:22.36 | Maquis | yay for galileo! |
| 18:23.18 | goozbach | EW!! galileo |
| 18:23.37 | Maquis | galileo is cool!!! |
| 18:28.30 | levi | Maquis: Are you referring to the person or to something else bearing his name? |
| 18:28.38 | Maquis | levi: the person |
| 18:28.47 | Maquis | my civ class is covering galileo right now... :) |
| 18:28.56 | levi | Ahh, okay. Cool. :) |
| 18:29.00 | levi | History of Creativity? |
| 18:29.47 | Maquis | yup |
| 18:30.07 | Maquis | i've been to the house outside of florence where he lived after being "exiled" |
| 18:30.08 | levi | I liked that class. |
| 18:30.15 | Maquis | it's a fun class |
| 18:33.10 | Maquis | wow... that was a silly question that someone just asked... |
| 18:35.18 | levi | Alas, people tend to do that. |
| 18:35.50 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 18:36.08 | Maquis | "why didn't he just say that he was an atheist so that the church would leave him alone?" |
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| 18:38.56 | JoshH | lol |
| 18:38.58 | JoshH | they had to be joking |
| 18:39.29 | Maquis | you would certainly hope so... but if so, he's a pretty good actor... |
| 18:49.32 | Jayce^ | mmm. new order |
| 18:49.35 | Jayce^ | new album :) |
| 18:51.15 | levi | Indeed. |
| 18:59.35 | goozbach | hey fellas just so ya know... monday is important... |
| 18:59.37 | goozbach | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/?t=archives&date=2005-02-11 |
| 19:01.30 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 19:02.25 | goozbach | wario world baby! oh yeah |
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| 19:30.32 | drewbono | Anyone a yum expert? |
| 19:30.41 | drewbono | And that doesn't mean you like candy. :) |
| 19:31.14 | drewbono | I want to download a package from the unstable tree, but only one. |
| 19:31.21 | drewbono | Is that possible, like it is with emerge? |
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| 19:35.51 | kpettit | lo |
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| 20:17.12 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 20:38.13 | levi | Would you like to study philosophy? It's about life, existence, purpose, and of course, wisdom itself. |
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| 20:50.29 | jsmith | Anybody else having problems with ELI today? |
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| 20:56.59 | Maquis | jsmith: ELI? |
| 20:57.16 | jsmith | Maquis: Electric Lightwave, Inc. |
| 20:57.35 | jsmith | Could just be my router, considering I can't log into it :-( |
| 21:00.37 | mrpull | jsmith... our ELI connection has been problem free today. |
| 21:00.48 | mrpull | pushing about 10Mbps outbound |
| 21:03.00 | jsmith | Never mind -- appears my little Cisco has issues. |
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| 21:52.43 | Maquis | ummm... |
| 21:52.50 | Maquis | questions about the SCO-IBM case |
| 21:53.20 | Maquis | why is it that IBM has to show its code to AIX, when SCO won't show any code... |
| 21:53.27 | Maquis | doesn't SCO have the burden of proof? |
| 21:55.51 | Maquis | or am i completely off? |
| 21:59.53 | Newsome | Maquis: SCO is claiming that based on the contract with IBM, IBM can't contribute AIX code to Linux. |
| 22:00.06 | Maquis | Newsome: yes... |
| 22:00.16 | Maquis | but if sco isn't going to show any code, why should ibm? |
| 22:00.35 | Maquis | (aside from showing that they don't have anything to hide) |
| 22:00.51 | Newsome | SCO doesn't have any code to show. They want to look through AIX to show that something in AIX was put into Linux. |
| 22:01.27 | Newsome | IBM keeps asking for SCO to show the UNIX code contributed to Linux, and that's what SCO can't/won't show. |
| 22:01.42 | Maquis | but they didn't write AIX... why wouldn't ibm be able to put something there? |
| 22:02.22 | Newsome | Because of the contract. SCO claims to own UNIX, and AIX was written using UNIX as a base. |
| 22:02.35 | Newsome | SCO therefore believes that they can control everything in AIX. |
| 22:03.09 | Maquis | (also, on a rather unrelated legal question: if a company writes code for a proprietary project, then chooses to contribute a piece of it to a gpl'd project, how does that work with the gpl license? |
| 22:03.41 | Newsome | If someone owns the copyright, they can license it however they choose. |
| 22:03.47 | Maquis | did sco "own" unix at the time that AIX was written? |
| 22:04.04 | levi | No. |
| 22:04.10 | levi | But that's not relevant. |
| 22:04.12 | Newsome | no |
| 22:04.23 | Maquis | why is that not relevant? |
| 22:04.56 | Maquis | (sorry... this legal stuff is a bit out of my league) |
| 22:05.04 | Newsome | you can buy the copyright from someone, then sue someone for infringement that occurred before you bought it |
| 22:05.04 | levi | Because if their claims are true, then it doesn't matter who owned it at the time; they bought it, and therefore they own it now. |
| 22:06.52 | levi | Maquis: If you wholly own and control the IP rights for some code, you can choose to release it under the GPL and also another license. |
| 22:06.55 | Maquis | wait... i don't know if this is what happened, but i'm curious about it anyways: if i have a contract with company A, where they allow me to use their code for product A in my product, and then they sell product A to company B, can company B then sue me for using the code to product A? |
| 22:07.17 | levi | Maquis: The only tricky bits happen if someone else wants to contribute code back to you. |
| 22:07.31 | Maquis | levi: ok... |
| 22:08.28 | levi | You have to have them turn over all rights to the code to you. Then you can merge it with your stuff and it's still all yours, so you can still dual-license it. |
| 22:09.17 | Maquis | levi: that was for the question about the dual-licensed code, not the company A vs company B question, right? |
| 22:09.23 | levi | Maquis: Right. |
| 22:10.51 | levi | Maquis: I'm pretty sure B can't sue A, since there was a contract by the IP rightsholder allowing use, and that would pass with the sale of the software. But I'm not positive about that. |
| 22:11.21 | Maquis | that's slightly comforting |
| 22:11.37 | Maquis | so, then i take it that's not what happened in the case of AIX? |
| 22:12.03 | levi | I'm not sure what happened there. |
| 22:12.10 | Maquis | ok... |
| 22:13.08 | Maquis | it is good that the judge seems to be getting fed up with sco though... |
| 22:13.08 | levi | You should take a business law class sometime. It's interesting. |
| 22:13.19 | Maquis | i should |
| 22:13.24 | Maquis | i just don't know when i would |
| 22:13.25 | Maquis | :) |
| 22:13.50 | levi | Well, probably sometime after you graduate from BYU. You can take it from a community college. |
| 22:14.05 | levi | It will be much easier there, and you'll still be able to learn as much as you want/need. |
| 22:14.22 | levi | Not to mention cheaper. |
| 22:15.03 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 22:15.14 | Maquis | and then i can actually graduate sometime :) |
| 22:16.34 | Maquis | last night, i was thinking that i should take some more math classes... |
| 22:16.38 | levi | That's good. :) |
| 22:16.56 | levi | A well-rounded education is what a university is all about. |
| 22:17.00 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 22:17.13 | Maquis | well, i'm still not all too excited about english classes and such... but... |
| 22:17.17 | levi | The trick is getting yourself interested in it so you don't go through the classes thinking they all suck. |
| 22:17.29 | levi | Because then they invariably do. |
| 22:17.46 | Maquis | :) |
| 22:17.48 | levi | Some do anyway, but they all suck if you can't muster interest. |
| 22:18.06 | levi | I had a very, very interesting English class. |
| 22:18.08 | Maquis | anyway, i'm supposed to take my roommate somelace |
| 22:18.15 | levi | Try to take an honors one. |
| 22:18.16 | Maquis | which one? |
| 22:18.17 | brigham | which one is that? |
| 22:18.35 | levi | 220, I think? Let me check. |
| 22:18.50 | levi | No, 200. |
| 22:19.11 | levi | Honors 200, Intensive Writing. |
| 22:19.40 | levi | Of course, I took it twice, and it was only really interesting the second time. |
| 22:20.00 | levi | But you have a much, much greater chance of getting an interesting class in the honors sections. |
| 22:20.53 | levi | The classes are small, the teachers are generally pretty good, and you get to focus less on basic grammar and more on how to think about writing. |
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| 23:07.19 | Maquis | levi: i took honors 200 |
| 23:07.25 | Maquis | it was really boring |
| 23:07.47 | Maquis | "intensive" was less than half the amount of writing i'd done in 5th grade... |
| 23:19.56 | levi | Maquis: Well, that's too bad. I must have got lucky with mine. |
| 23:20.20 | levi | In my class, we'd have great discussions all the time, and no one would leave when the bell rang unless they had to get to another class. |
| 23:26.30 | Maquis | levi: nice! |
| 23:26.44 | Maquis | see, i was kind of expecting a lot in my intensive writing classes... |
| 23:27.15 | Maquis | starting in 4th grade, i had written a paper or story of at least 2 pages (increased from there throughout the years) every week |
| 23:27.35 | Maquis | so, the "2-page paper every other week" thing wasn't that great... |
| 23:28.20 | Maquis | i tried to test out of the class, and i could've if i hadn't had the idea of graduating with honors... |
| 23:28.30 | Maquis | but the honors program wouldn't let me... |
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