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| 00:28.40 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 00:29.23 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
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| 00:46.45 | Newsome | Maquis: UPS died |
| 00:46.55 | Maquis | Newsome: ah... |
| 00:47.02 | Maquis | painful death, i assume :) |
| 00:47.16 | Maquis | what could've caused the death |
| 00:47.17 | Maquis | ? |
| 00:47.47 | Newsome | possibly all the dust they generated in the computer room... |
| 00:47.50 | Newsome | not really sure |
| 00:47.55 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 00:47.59 | Maquis | interesting |
| 00:48.04 | Maquis | that stinsk |
| 00:48.10 | findlay | a sudden oc-clue-sion of power |
| 00:48.11 | Maquis | aren't those things moderately expensive? |
| 00:48.20 | Maquis | |lart findlay |
| 00:48.26 | Maquis | ~lart findlay |
| 00:48.34 | Newsome | The UPS controller started smelling like burning electronics, and it displayed a bad-looking message |
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| 00:48.38 | tene | |lart brigham |
| 00:48.51 | Maquis | Newsome: bad-looking message? |
| 00:48.57 | Maquis | what kind of bad-looking message? |
| 00:49.02 | Maquis | ("your printer is on fire")? |
| 00:49.23 | Newsome | hmm, I'll try to remember |
| 00:51.19 | Newsome | well, something about a controller failure, and "call for support" |
| 00:51.44 | Maquis | ick! |
| 00:51.55 | Maquis | not an overly humorous error though? |
| 00:51.56 | Maquis | :( |
| 00:52.17 | hans | i don't know, a ups calling for support is kind of funny |
| 00:52.23 | hans | "I need backup, here!" |
| 00:52.31 | Maquis | :) |
| 00:53.05 | Maquis | Newsome: how did you discover the problem? did it kill the servers, and then die? or did someone go up there and notice the smoking? just curious |
| 00:53.11 | findlay | we had our site UPS fail once |
| 00:53.23 | findlay | it did nasty things to power modules |
| 00:53.30 | Maquis | and why was the ups doing anything? doesn't it not really kick in unless there's a power fluctuation? |
| 00:53.38 | Newsome | Maquis: we were in the server room, and noticed the smell |
| 00:53.59 | Maquis | if you hadn't been up there, i'm assuming it would've made much worse of problems? |
| 00:54.11 | Newsome | yes, probably |
| 00:54.26 | Newsome | a good UPS is always conditioning the incoming power |
| 00:54.35 | Maquis | conditioning? |
| 00:54.43 | hans | after shampoo |
| 00:54.46 | Maquis | levelling it out? |
| 00:54.51 | Maquis | |lart hans |
| 00:54.57 | Newsome | It's supposed to be a good sine-wave |
| 00:55.12 | Newsome | with the amplitude being always the same |
| 00:55.23 | Maquis | and so a good UPS will help to get it to that... |
| 00:55.25 | Maquis | ok... |
| 00:55.27 | Newsome | the power coming into the building is rarely that good |
| 00:55.51 | Maquis | so, something just shorted or something inside causing problems? |
| 00:56.00 | hans | rats |
| 00:56.02 | findlay | anybody have experience with mplayer? |
| 00:56.12 | mheath | Some. |
| 00:56.19 | hans | I've used it |
| 00:56.21 | mheath | An experience of having it segfault when I tried to watch DVDs :) |
| 00:56.29 | findlay | I'm trying to figure out how to turn off the director's commentary track |
| 00:56.35 | hans | haha |
| 00:56.38 | Newsome | probably something in the controller itself, since the power itself was still being provided |
| 00:56.48 | Maquis | Newsome: ah... |
| 00:57.08 | findlay | is the audio track inside of the video file? |
| 00:57.08 | Maquis | and so you brought down the server it was on, and the UPS so that you could pull it out? |
| 00:57.20 | Maquis | s/server it was on/servers that were on it |
| 00:57.22 | Newsome | Maquis: correct. |
| 00:57.27 | Maquis | ok... |
| 00:57.42 | Newsome | ever burn out electronics? |
| 00:57.52 | Maquis | Newsome: sorry if i randomly go off asking millions of questions... i've noticed that i tend to do it to you a lot :) |
| 00:58.03 | Maquis | nope... never burned anything out that i can think of... |
| 00:58.06 | Newsome | no problem |
| 00:58.08 | Newsome | ah |
| 00:58.09 | Maquis | :) |
| 00:58.18 | mheath | Lucky :) |
| 00:58.25 | hans | distinct smell |
| 00:58.33 | Newsome | when you fry electronics, they give off a rather noticible smell |
| 00:58.37 | mheath | Last burnup I had: a capacitor in my PSU. |
| 00:58.46 | Maquis | ah... not something i'd like to smell... |
| 00:58.52 | mheath | Screwed up all the voltages, 20V got sent out on the 12V line |
| 00:59.00 | Newsome | that would do it |
| 00:59.04 | Maquis | ooh! not prety |
| 00:59.14 | mheath | Which is what powers the motors in HDD's, Floppy Disk Drives, CD-ROM's, etc. |
| 00:59.54 | mheath | Two brand new hard drives, one old hard drive, and a new floppy drive got fried. |
| 01:00.02 | mheath | er |
| 01:00.10 | mheath | new DVD-RW drive |
| 01:01.31 | hans | ouch |
| 01:05.11 | SpecialK | oooo. . . Watch the magic blue smoke escape out of the computer. |
| 01:05.51 | mheath | Unfortunately it was more like watching the magic disgusting invisible odor escape from the computer :) |
| 01:06.21 | mheath | It was our families computer, and I was like....10 at the time? Anyway, I was naive.. |
| 01:06.22 | findlay | yes |
| 01:06.26 | mheath | Turned it back on. |
| 01:06.30 | findlay | figured it out |
| 01:06.41 | findlay | mplayer -aid 2>/dev/null | grep aid |
| 01:06.51 | findlay | mplayer -aid <aid> |
| 01:06.58 | findlay | (: |
| 01:07.10 | mheath | One of the hard drives that survived the massive, painful destruction had an ooold install of Windows 3.11 on it |
| 01:07.14 | mheath | booted up |
| 01:07.25 | mheath | Then promptly died. |
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| 01:57.33 | Maquis | mmm... leftovers |
| 01:57.51 | Maquis | mussels with hot peppers and garlic |
| 01:57.52 | findlay | ~steal Maquis' leftovers |
| 01:58.03 | Maquis | findlay: i just finished eating them... |
| 02:04.28 | tene | ~steal Maquis' leftovers anyway |
| 02:05.54 | tene | |pipe |
| 02:06.03 | tene | |pipe Maquis |
| 02:06.06 | Maquis | tene: you can't get the pipe... |
| 02:06.13 | tene | hmm... |
| 02:06.16 | Maquis | captain_power confiscated the lead |
| 02:06.18 | Maquis | | |
| 02:06.22 | Maquis | gah |
| 02:06.28 | Maquis | stupid keyboard that moved my keys around |
| 02:07.31 | tene | brigham: pipe |
| 02:07.39 | tene | brigham: pipe Maquis |
| 02:07.45 | Maquis | tene: brigham doesn't have a command for that |
| 02:07.53 | tene | I just added it |
| 02:07.57 | tene | at least, I tried to |
| 02:08.02 | tene | but he's not responding |
| 02:08.11 | tene | |lart brigham |
| 02:08.12 | Maquis | i haven't had much luck with teaching him new tricks recently either |
| 02:08.18 | Maquis | perhaps hans can help us with that |
| 02:08.29 | tene | I've never had trouble teaching ibot |
| 02:09.47 | Maquis | i haven't had problems teaching brigham until recently |
| 02:09.52 | Maquis | he just doesn't like to get the training recently |
| 02:10.10 | Maquis | hans: care to tell me if there's something you changed before handing him over to me? |
| 02:18.36 | mheath | Agh. |
| 02:19.00 | mheath | I'm such a geek. I just realized that...I actually knew hat vogon poetry was. |
| 02:19.18 | mheath | *what |
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| 02:32.01 | Maquis | goozbach: ??? |
| 02:32.56 | goozbach | the +15 system is a series of interconnected enclosed elevated walkways all throught downdown Calgary |
| 02:33.15 | Maquis | and how did you set off alarms? |
| 02:33.31 | goozbach | aparently some of the buildings they run through set their alarms at some time before 7pm |
| 02:34.02 | Maquis | ah... |
| 02:34.06 | Maquis | and you went through them... |
| 02:34.25 | goozbach | yep |
| 02:34.29 | goozbach | it was fun |
| 02:34.32 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:34.41 | goozbach | kinda like being where you're not supposed to be. |
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| 02:35.25 | Maquis | haha |
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| 02:57.17 | tene | gah... curse my frail memory |
| 02:57.31 | tene | how do I get arguments in a shell script? |
| 02:57.39 | tene | i.e. "./foo.sh taco" |
| 02:58.23 | tene | how would I get "taco" inside foo.sh? |
| 03:00.40 | goozbach | $1 |
| 03:00.50 | tene | thanks |
| 03:00.54 | goozbach | but make sure you re-assign it right away |
| 03:01.06 | goozbach | $1 changes througout your shell |
| 03:01.19 | goozbach | (if you enter a function for example) |
| 03:01.34 | goozbach | I always do this at the very first of my scripts: |
| 03:01.41 | goozbach | ARG1=$1 |
| 03:01.47 | goozbach | ARG2=$2 |
| 03:01.49 | goozbach | ... etc |
| 03:01.59 | goozbach | then I always have the variables handy |
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| 03:03.36 | tene | goo: do I have to do anything tricky to get vars interpreted correctily inside of ``s? |
| 03:03.58 | tene | apparently not |
| 03:04.06 | goozbach | tene: inside of a script, inside of a ``? |
| 03:04.14 | goozbach | best bet is to export them |
| 03:04.18 | tene | inside of ``s inside a script |
| 03:04.25 | tene | but I just tried it and it works |
| 03:04.30 | goozbach | oh ok |
| 03:04.35 | goozbach | grovy |
| 03:04.40 | goozbach | groovy even |
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| 03:08.10 | tene | now to find the best way to get the number of bytes in a file |
| 03:08.43 | goozbach | wc |
| 03:08.45 | goozbach | wc -c |
| 03:08.54 | goozbach | gives number of charaters |
| 03:09.05 | tene | that's what it was. I was looking at du and od and such. couldn't remember. |
| 03:09.11 | goozbach | you might have better results with du |
| 03:09.44 | tene | the longoption form of '-c' is '--bytes' |
| 03:09.46 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 03:09.54 | tene | and the manpage says "number of bytes" |
| 03:09.57 | tene | so it should probably work |
| 03:10.11 | Maquis | i don't think byu realized that they had their admin pages to the housing records available to anyone and everyone who's interested |
| 03:10.42 | tene | hmm... wc doesn't have an option to only print the number |
| 03:13.47 | goozbach | tene: pipe to it |
| 03:14.06 | goozbach | and use the switch |
| 03:14.25 | goozbach | or use cut |
| 03:14.40 | goozbach | cat foo.txt | wc -c |
| 03:16.14 | goozbach | I read scientific journals for fun and enjoyment |
| 03:16.57 | tene | if I cat it, I'll just be catting it again right after |
| 03:17.05 | tene | I'm using awk right now |
| 03:17.10 | tene | never played with cut |
| 03:22.10 | goozbach | wc -c foo.txt | cut -f 1 |
| 03:22.40 | goozbach | wc -c foo.txt | cut -d " " -f 1 |
| 03:23.15 | tene | nodnod, I checked the man page |
| 03:25.43 | tene | now there are only two problems left |
| 03:26.36 | tene | the first is that right now I'm running the script and passing its output somewhere else via a pipe |
| 03:26.37 | tene | is there a way to do that within the script? |
| 03:28.17 | tene | I suppose that I could theoretically combine everything into one line and pipe that, but that seems hackish |
| 03:30.42 | goozbach | put it all on one big pipe setup |
| 03:30.53 | goozbach | seperate each line with a \ |
| 03:31.02 | goozbach | cat foo.txt \ |
| 03:31.09 | goozbach | | wc -l |
| 03:31.13 | goozbach | etc |
| 03:31.36 | tene | ahh |
| 03:31.57 | tene | that works |
| 03:37.14 | tene | hrmmhrmm |
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| 03:44.02 | tene | now I can't get newlines in my output |
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| 04:13.51 | xbmodder | hey |
| 04:13.55 | xbmodder | i did the right thing! |
| 04:13.56 | xbmodder | :) |
| 04:13.59 | xbmodder | i told a counsler |
| 04:14.16 | xbmodder | and now she is gettin' help at her school |
| 04:14.23 | xbmodder | wee....... :) |
| 04:14.38 | xbmodder | i got like 5 hours of sleep yesterday |
| 04:14.39 | goozbach | good job |
| 04:14.43 | xbmodder | haha :) |
| 04:16.05 | mheath | xbmodder: great, man :) |
| 04:16.23 | mheath | Pango's XML Markup stuff is confusin |
| 04:16.36 | mheath | I keep wanting to add HTML stuff that doesn't work :) |
| 04:23.55 | Maquis | xbmodder: congrats! |
| 04:26.14 | mheath | Wow, this channel gets offtopic quickly, doesn't it? :) |
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| 04:26.46 | Maquis | mheath: this channel is offtopic more than it's ontopic |
| 04:27.28 | mheath | Yeah, I kind of realized that. |
| 04:27.35 | mheath | No worries. Off topic is funner. |
| 04:27.42 | tensai | Maquis: and you do a splendid job of it too :) |
| 04:27.52 | Maquis | :) |
| 04:28.20 | tene | okay, I've got 13 PCI video cards to get rid of here |
| 04:28.35 | tene | any takers? |
| 04:28.49 | mheath | I'd be interested, buy all of my current boxes either have an AGP card in them already, or have onboard video |
| 04:28.53 | mheath | *but |
| 04:29.27 | tensai | tene: well, are they all 1MB cards you pulled from a 486? |
| 04:29.37 | tene | nope |
| 04:30.32 | tene | lessee here... |
| 04:30.43 | tene | got a 64MB DiamondMM card... |
| 04:31.13 | tene | Trident |
| 04:31.16 | tene | S3 Trio64 |
| 04:31.19 | tene | S3 Trio64V+ |
| 04:31.51 | tene | trio32 |
| 04:31.54 | misterpull | tene... i'm thinking multihead |
| 04:32.04 | misterpull | how many monitors can linux support? |
| 04:32.05 | tene | Diamond Stealth3d 2000 |
| 04:32.14 | tene | however many you have cards for |
| 04:32.46 | mheath | Ah! |
| 04:32.54 | mheath | tene: any of those have analog outputs? |
| 04:33.01 | mheath | Or S-VIDEO? |
| 04:33.05 | tene | nope |
| 04:36.47 | misterpull | there has got to be some crazy program that can use 3d accelerators to crunch numbers or something. |
| 04:37.12 | mheath | Not possible. |
| 04:37.18 | misterpull | a mobo with 6 PCI slots each with a vidcard crunching numbers would be a great frankenstein setup. |
| 04:37.27 | mheath | The actual GPU's are entirely possible of mathematical computations.... |
| 04:37.47 | misterpull | but? |
| 04:37.47 | brigham | but are there clients that implement it is my question. |
| 04:37.50 | mheath | But the way you can communicate with them when they're on a graphics card and plugged into PCI/AGP...nah. |
| 04:38.22 | mheath | That's changed a *bit* lately.. |
| 04:38.29 | misterpull | i seem to remember some crazy program that used 3d cards to process sound. |
| 04:39.05 | mheath | It might be couple to do some really weird stuff with some of the newer languages, like Direct3D or OpenGL. |
| 04:39.15 | tene | if anyone wants 'em, I'll be bringing them with me to Provo this weekend. |
| 04:39.32 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 04:40.28 | misterpull | http://www.gpgpu.org/ |
| 04:40.53 | misterpull | anything is possible :) |
| 04:41.38 | scott_ | alright, philosophical/logical question: if (a<b) c; Does a have an effect if it is greater than b? sure it keeps c from happening, but that's the same as having no effect isn't it? |
| 04:41.44 | misterpull | now... a bunch of crappy old vga cards are probably slower than a recent CPU... but if it can be done for the heck of it... |
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| 04:42.57 | scott_ | or in a more realistic example, is it possible for homework to have no effect on your grade if you do it, but have an effect on your grade if you don't? |
| 04:43.35 | scott_ | or is "keeping you from receiving a negative effect" the effect of doing your homework in such a course? |
| 04:45.43 | tene | alright, got a problem here. |
| 04:46.05 | tene | or maybe not. |
| 04:46.07 | tene | hrmm |
| 04:46.30 | mheath | anyone good with color schemeing? |
| 04:46.44 | mheath | Like: Whats a good RGB shade of blue that looks good on an off-white background? |
| 04:48.57 | misterpull | wow... here are a couple papers about using video cards as coprocessors to speed up databases. |
| 04:49.00 | LeviHome | I listened to a presentation yesterday from a guy at a university who builds visualization clusters. |
| 04:49.10 | LeviHome | They do that sort of thing with them. |
| 04:49.54 | LeviHome | They use a programming language that compiles into OpenGL code to run on the GPU to do computation. |
| 04:50.58 | tene | okay, this script here outputs data to netcat |
| 04:51.18 | tene | netcat just always sends out whatever data comes into it |
| 04:51.31 | tene | hence, there's no way to tell it to terminate the connection when I'm done |
| 04:51.31 | LeviHome | 'Brook' is the language |
| 04:52.11 | LeviHome | http://graphics.stanford.edu/projects/brookgpu/start.html |
| 04:52.26 | tene | any ideas? |
| 04:53.10 | LeviHome | This is the cluster they're using: http://spire.stanford.edu/overview.html |
| 04:53.24 | misterpull | levi: that is cool. |
| 04:54.01 | LeviHome | With the IB interconnect, they get better graphics compositing performance than custom compositing hardware. |
| 04:54.16 | LeviHome | tene: What are you using netcat to do? |
| 04:54.53 | wps | I have been googling without success for a Sendmail tutorial. Can someone point me in the right direction? or perhaps offers some help in person. |
| 04:54.56 | wps | it's on FC3 |
| 04:54.57 | misterpull | cool. i've built clusters, but never did any more intersting than ray tracing or distcc on them. |
| 04:55.06 | wps | it is running fine... I can POP and IMAP mail down |
| 04:55.19 | wps | I cannot send though and need to configure it to require authentication |
| 04:55.29 | misterpull | wps <only half joking> rpm -ivh postfix </joking> |
| 04:55.32 | LeviHome | I work for a cluster-building company, so I get to see lots of cool clusters. |
| 04:55.40 | mheath | wps: sendmail = old/bad, just so you know, but... |
| 04:55.49 | mheath | Look for information on configuring SMTP. |
| 04:55.50 | wps | I am aware of that. Thanks. |
| 04:56.08 | misterpull | redhat (and I assume FC) has a program to switch from sendmail to postfix. |
| 04:56.12 | LeviHome | Another cool link from the presentation: http://chromium.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:56.31 | tene | LeviHome: I'm writing a simple shell wrapper for it to build an http header for a file, print the header, and then print the file. |
| 04:57.13 | tene | everything works fine, except it doesn't terminate the connection once it's done, so some browsers sit there waiting for more data. |
| 04:57.16 | tene | until a timeout |
| 04:57.24 | wps | misterpull: I have used postfix several times in the past. I am using sendmail right now by choice. |
| 04:58.03 | LeviHome | tene: You probably need to close the connection to stdin on netcat. |
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| 04:59.31 | tene | LeviHome: know how I can do that? |
| 04:59.42 | tene | anyone want a serial<->rj45 cable? |
| 05:04.06 | misterpull | my goodness... where are the docs on the fedora site? |
| 05:04.51 | tene | it's a self-documenting gui |
| 05:04.55 | tene | you shouldn't need docs |
| 05:07.19 | LeviHome | tene: You can set netcat's timeout. |
| 05:09.03 | tene | yay! |
| 05:09.07 | tene | "-q 1" |
| 05:09.52 | tene | "sneak <file> <port#>" |
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| 05:12.49 | misterpull | wps: http://www.sendmail.org/~ca/email/auth.html might get you started. |
| 05:13.25 | wps | thank you |
| 05:13.31 | wps | I will look at that |
| 05:14.04 | misterpull | you may want to get it working first with plain text passwords... then TLS |
| 05:14.13 | misterpull | it is easier to troubleshoot without TLS |
| 05:15.23 | misterpull | so why sendmail? just a learning experience? |
| 05:16.07 | misterpull | it isn't as buggy as its reputation lately... but there are other options |
| 05:16.31 | LeviHome | That chromium link I posted has some really cool stuff on it if you click on the 'reading list' link. |
| 05:18.57 | wps | yes, it has a bad reputation, but I do not think that it is a security problem if you keep your system up-to-date |
| 05:19.22 | misterpull | i'd like a hi res display wall... |
| 05:20.06 | misterpull | yeah. but if your job is keeping stuff secure.... would you rather use a product that needs to be updated all the time, or only occasionally (/obvious) |
| 05:20.35 | misterpull | but it has been 18 months or so since there was a bad sendmail bug... |
| 05:20.37 | fozz | wps: See my reply to PLUG |
| 05:20.50 | misterpull | so for me it is just ease of use... |
| 05:20.50 | wps | I picked it this time because I am doing virtuals and it was an absolute pain with Postfix |
| 05:21.14 | misterpull | cool. is it easier with sendmail? |
| 05:21.20 | misterpull | (i honestly dont know) |
| 05:21.52 | wps | yes, virtuals is much easier with sendamil (if you make a unix account for each user... which I am) |
| 05:23.14 | misterpull | cool. i'll follow your progess on the plug list... it looks like fozz is pointing you in the right direction. |
| 05:24.25 | fozz | wps: Actually- cyrus-imapd might what you want if you don't want to do the unix accounts for every user. |
| 05:25.13 | wps | I don't mind making unix accounts for each user |
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| 06:49.40 | fishyfire_ | so i paste something into an openoffice text document, and it crashes |
| 06:50.07 | fishyfire_ | (deep sigh) |
| 06:50.22 | Maquis | |lart openoffice |
| 06:50.34 | tene | |lart brigham |
| 06:57.53 | xbmodder | ? |
| 06:58.05 | xbmodder | fishyfire_, you still here? |
| 06:58.06 | fozz | Clocks on airplanes? |
| 06:58.12 | xbmodder | fozz, hey |
| 06:58.21 | fozz | xbmodder: Anyone die? |
| 06:58.33 | xbmodder | i saved her life in effect |
| 06:58.38 | fozz | OH good. |
| 06:58.47 | xbmodder | and she does not hate me |
| 06:58.56 | fozz | Even better. |
| 06:59.04 | xbmodder | yeah |
| 07:00.03 | tene | yay |
| 07:00.09 | xbmodder | it is nice |
| 07:00.14 | xbmodder | that she is alive |
| 07:00.22 | fozz | My dog died yesterday. |
| 07:00.29 | xbmodder | that sucks |
| 07:00.34 | fozz | Yeah. I'm pretty upset about it. |
| 07:00.41 | fozz | Hit and run. |
| 07:00.51 | xbmodder | thats sad... |
| 07:00.56 | fozz | I wasn't home. My mom was babysitting. |
| 07:00.56 | xbmodder | so sad |
| 07:01.19 | fozz | She got out and darted across the street, I guess. |
| 07:01.26 | fozz | Got splattered. |
| 07:01.29 | xbmodder | how old was your dog |
| 07:01.31 | xbmodder | :( |
| 07:01.33 | fozz | 7 years. |
| 07:01.44 | xbmodder | dog years? |
| 07:02.02 | fozz | 49 |
| 07:02.08 | xbmodder | wow |
| 07:02.08 | fozz | http://www.fozzilinymoo.org/Fozzolog/390 |
| 07:02.14 | xbmodder | thats a good age... |
| 07:03.34 | xbmodder | my friend had a dog... and it got run over about a week after they got it. |
| 07:03.40 | fozz | That's terrible. |
| 07:03.48 | fozz | I hope your friend never gets another dog. |
| 07:04.06 | fozz | Doesn't sound like a good dog-person. :) |
| 07:04.12 | xbmodder | no. he got a another one. |
| 07:04.53 | fozz | oh |
| 07:06.23 | xbmodder | he loves his new dog. |
| 07:09.36 | xbmodder | his new dog (not new) actually he is getting very old |
| 07:09.38 | xbmodder | its sad.... |
| 07:09.49 | xbmodder | is nearing the end of his life |
| 07:09.49 | xbmodder | ;( |
| 07:10.34 | xbmodder | fozz, your life sucks pretty bad... no offense... |
| 07:10.44 | fozz | Why do you say that? |
| 07:11.12 | Newsome | ~lart email thread stealers |
| 07:11.36 | xbmodder | I have severe hearing loss in both ears. I have severe hearing loss in both ear |
| 07:11.47 | xbmodder | oops the second part was for diabetes |
| 07:11.54 | fozz | oh. heh. |
| 07:12.01 | fozz | I get by pretty well with all my problems. |
| 07:12.02 | xbmodder | and your myopia |
| 07:13.17 | xbmodder | are they colored? |
| 07:13.22 | fozz | I wish. :) |
| 07:13.26 | xbmodder | you should get matrix contacts... |
| 07:13.26 | fozz | I tried a blue one once. |
| 07:13.29 | fozz | It was freeeekay. |
| 07:14.24 | xbmodder | how old are you? |
| 07:14.27 | fozz | 32 |
| 07:14.28 | xbmodder | no offense |
| 07:14.34 | fozz | I'm offended! :) |
| 07:14.41 | xbmodder | heh... thats a good age |
| 07:14.48 | fozz | Well, thanks. |
| 07:14.56 | xbmodder | 27 is my dream age... right before i get married |
| 07:15.05 | fozz | Good to have goals. |
| 07:15.23 | xbmodder | have to live until then... and then err... idk |
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| 07:18.42 | xbmodder | fozz, so hows life? |
| 07:18.46 | xbmodder | tene, you here? |
| 07:18.55 | fozz | xbmodder: Life is alright. |
| 07:19.00 | xbmodder | thats good |
| 07:19.03 | fozz | I've got a fileserver up in Logan that is dead right now. |
| 07:19.07 | xbmodder | so sad about your dog |
| 07:19.15 | fozz | Two of my partners are trying to figure it out. |
| 07:19.18 | xbmodder | do you have file servers around the world |
| 07:19.19 | xbmodder | ? |
| 07:19.20 | tene | I'm here |
| 07:19.26 | xbmodder | tene, cool |
| 07:19.27 | fozz | I'm just waiting to hear back from them. |
| 07:19.29 | tene | whyfor? |
| 07:19.43 | xbmodder | i had an idea for a business for you to do. |
| 07:19.50 | fozz | xbmodder: We manage a few. |
| 07:19.59 | xbmodder | fozz, cool |
| 07:20.45 | xbmodder | tene, securing servers |
| 07:20.55 | tene | sounds fun. |
| 07:21.07 | xbmodder | my friends did a job somewhere. they basically broke into the server room somewhere |
| 07:21.23 | xbmodder | and they bet the company they could do it. |
| 07:21.30 | xbmodder | nobody knew at the location |
| 07:21.43 | xbmodder | they got into the server room and started a workstation... |
| 07:21.55 | xbmodder | connected right to the servers |
| 07:22.01 | xbmodder | he can't tell me much |
| 07:22.20 | xbmodder | friggin' NDAs |
| 07:23.54 | fozz | About 18 months ago, someone broke into an accounting firm in Logan... |
| 07:24.02 | fozz | Took all the hard drives out of the desktop machines. |
| 07:24.08 | fozz | Almost ruined them. |
| 07:24.27 | fozz | One of our clients is an accounting firm and it scared the bujeebers out of them. |
| 07:24.38 | xbmodder | wow |
| 07:24.40 | fozz | WE got a lot of security work because of that. |
| 07:24.57 | xbmodder | cool, the person was pretty smart |
| 07:27.59 | xbmodder | what kinda data did they get? |
| 07:28.21 | fozz | OH you know... all kinds of social security numbers, income figures. etc. |
| 07:28.23 | xbmodder | anything cool |
| 07:28.31 | xbmodder | wow... cool... |
| 07:28.34 | fozz | Identity theft stuff. |
| 07:28.35 | xbmodder | for them of couse |
| 07:28.38 | xbmodder | course |
| 07:28.45 | xbmodder | these guys think like me |
| 07:28.55 | fozz | My client made a big push to move all the data to a centralized server. |
| 07:29.02 | xbmodder | except i might have copied the hard drive |
| 07:29.03 | fozz | Server's in a locked room with an alarm system onit. |
| 07:29.33 | fozz | And the servers are in a locked cabinet in the locked room. |
| 07:29.54 | fozz | And I'm monitoring the servers with Nagios. :) |
| 07:30.34 | xbmodder | cool |
| 07:30.52 | xbmodder | i bet with enough time and money i could get the data off there servers |
| 07:31.03 | fozz | Yeah. |
| 07:31.06 | fozz | Nothing's perfect. |
| 07:31.22 | fozz | You woudln't need that much time or money... just some social engineering. |
| 07:31.24 | xbmodder | it was really funny. as a prank after one of my friends got static IP we DoSed him. held his data hostage... |
| 07:31.35 | xbmodder | were like we will keep you from the internet |
| 07:31.50 | xbmodder | if you don't comply |
| 08:06.11 | bonez39 | I created an html document with openoffice...saved as html file...what's the right way to send it to a list of several people....? |
| 08:06.50 | tene | ... email, maybe? |
| 08:07.08 | tene | put it up on a webserver and email people a link to it? |
| 08:09.24 | bonez39 | I want them to see this though, as the email..not have them have to do another step.... |
| 08:09.37 | bonez39 | I get these HTML emails all the time...just curious how they send them.. |
| 08:12.42 | tene | ahh |
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| 09:57.31 | tene | alright, if I'm going to haul all this stuff down to Provo sometime soon, I'll need an actual place to go to. |
| 09:57.58 | tene | I'll probably resubscribe to uug-list soon to post something about this. |
| 13:08.46 | mheath | Hah, I hate these ads. |
| 13:08.50 | mheath | Microsofts TCO stuff |
| 13:09.06 | mheath | Yeah, I trust getting technical suggestions from the owner of 7-11. |
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| 13:37.47 | mheath | I don't get this |
| 13:38.03 | mheath | Looking at one of Microsoft's "reports" on IIS vs. Apache on Redhat. |
| 13:38.28 | mheath | It says, basically, "We wanted to also compare TUX, the new kernel-level mini-http server, but it didn't work" |
| 13:38.42 | mheath | Then, immediately after, it shows you a chart that has values for IIS, Apache, and TUX. |
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| 15:43.30 | xbmodder | ? |
| 15:43.37 | xbmodder | anyone here listen to ataris? |
| 15:44.10 | goozbach | yup |
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| 15:45.11 | vontrapp | ? what do you do? put in a cartridge and let it play the intro music over and over? |
| 15:45.21 | xbmodder | goozbach, cool. none of my friends like it. |
| 15:45.36 | xbmodder | Ataris has some really good lyrics |
| 15:45.37 | xbmodder | :) |
| 15:46.39 | xbmodder | ataris |
| 15:47.00 | xbmodder | vontrapp: http://xbmodder.us/Ataris.m3u |
| 15:47.10 | goozbach | a -TAR- is |
| 15:47.28 | goozbach | not a tar IS |
| 15:48.13 | xbmodder | wtf? |
| 15:48.43 | xbmodder | goozbach, listening to it? |
| 15:48.54 | goozbach | xbmodder: you have to explain the correct pronunciation to some of these old fogeys |
| 15:49.03 | goozbach | xbmodder: I was last night |
| 15:49.11 | xbmodder | cool |
| 15:49.13 | goozbach | I'm in class right now so I can't |
| 15:49.19 | xbmodder | hehehe |
| 15:49.27 | xbmodder | vontrapp, you listening? |
| 15:50.29 | Newsome | combat was a great Atari game |
| 15:50.51 | vontrapp | Newsome: but was it good music? |
| 15:51.05 | Newsome | not so much |
| 15:51.08 | xbmodder | get those klipsch portable speakers. |
| 15:51.17 | xbmodder | and blast it in class. |
| 15:51.34 | xbmodder | have like 5 of them implanted in the audotorium |
| 15:52.14 | xbmodder | ? |
| 15:53.07 | xbmodder | blast them at maximum capacity during a test |
| 15:53.14 | xbmodder | someone will get a good scare |
| 15:53.18 | xbmodder | :) |
| 15:53.57 | goozbach | ohh joust |
| 15:54.07 | goozbach | I just played that last night via mame |
| 15:54.42 | Newsome | one that I really liked was Caverns of Gingk |
| 15:54.57 | xbmodder | ohh joust oo joust! nvm... |
| 15:54.59 | Newsome | er, Gink |
| 15:55.39 | Newsome | http://internettrash.com/users/corn_am_i/descrips/caverns.htm |
| 15:56.38 | goozbach | simo5[D[B[A[B[A |
| 15:57.22 | xbmodder | what? |
| 15:58.09 | goozbach | stupid screen session blew up |
| 15:58.43 | Newsome | this was another cool game - Castle Adventure - http://www.bhlegend.com/php/show.php3?game=1389 |
| 16:00.31 | goozbach | castlevania and all the deritives |
| 16:00.38 | goozbach | those were fun games |
| 16:02.46 | xbmodder | im staring at your pictures and wishing i could hold your hand but i've got a bad case of broken heart and your the only one who got the cure can't live another day without seeing you smile. (dun dun dun) do i wanna wake up with you. so i guess this is the end of a beautiful.... (dun dun) hurts so much. lost. don't wanna fall asleep alone. I hope your happy. we made out in the bathroom. Not to go home (something else i don't kno |
| 16:02.46 | xbmodder | w yet)... |
| 16:03.06 | xbmodder | #utah -- music editing |
| 16:03.36 | xbmodder | like the song |
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| 16:08.06 | vontrapp | 3-Demon was a great game |
| 16:09.42 | hans | |lart vontrapp |
| 16:10.06 | hans | was that the wireframe 3d pacman game? |
| 16:10.39 | Newsome | yeah! |
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| 16:23.18 | vontrapp | yep, that's what it was |
| 16:23.24 | vontrapp | |lart hans |
| 16:23.32 | vontrapp | ~lart markl__ |
| 16:23.36 | vontrapp | er, |
| 16:23.40 | vontrapp | ~lart Maquis |
| 16:27.57 | spr | ~lart new version of logwatch |
| 16:28.29 | Maquis | ~lart vontrapp |
| 16:32.58 | natester | how do I block indent in vi? |
| 16:33.22 | byronc | natester: shift-V, select the lines you want, > |
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| 16:40.30 | Maquis | http://d21c.com/sombra5/americanoddities.html |
| 16:44.22 | Maquis | http://news.com.com/Judge+slams+SCOs+lack+of+evidence+against+IBM/2100-7344_3-5570265.html?tag=nefd.top << |
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| 17:05.38 | vontrapp | is there a way to get the mac address of the device on the other side of a network connection |
| 17:05.43 | vontrapp | like the immediate device |
| 17:05.50 | vontrapp | e.g. a hub or switch |
| 17:09.31 | mrpull | vontrapp.... maybe... is it a managed switch? can you log in to the switch? |
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| 17:09.41 | mrpull | or do you have access to a another host in that subnet? |
| 17:09.42 | vontrapp | mrpull: no |
| 17:12.25 | vontrapp | mrpull: access to another host yes, but i was looking for a generic thing to just get the mac of the device on the other end of the cable |
| 17:13.17 | mrpull | you could use arp on the other host. |
| 17:13.33 | mrpull | (you probably know that) |
| 17:13.44 | vontrapp | not really, use arp to do what exactly? |
| 17:14.33 | mrpull | if you know its IP address (or its hostname resolves to an IP), you can use arp to look up its mac address |
| 17:14.58 | levi | Good morning. |
| 17:15.08 | vontrapp | yeah, you can look up the machines mac address, but that's not the address of the switch |
| 17:15.27 | vontrapp | all hubs and switches have addresses, right? |
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| 17:18.01 | vontrapp | fwiw, this is to tell what device the interface is connected to for a script, e.g. this hub means this network so set up address and such accordingly |
| 17:18.23 | mrpull | I see... I thought you were looking for the mac of a host |
| 17:18.46 | tensai | jsmith: how much cpu and ram would you recommend for an asterisk system handling 48 Zap channels and maybe 2-3 SIP (infrequently used) |
| 17:18.46 | mrpull | a hub doesn't use mac addresses... right? |
| 17:19.05 | hans | right, no mac |
| 17:19.17 | vontrapp | it doesn't USE them, but does it HAVE one? |
| 17:19.24 | hans | no |
| 17:19.30 | vontrapp | what about a switch? |
| 17:19.36 | mrpull | a managed switch with an IP address would |
| 17:19.36 | hans | a managed one |
| 17:20.29 | vontrapp | grr, oh well |
| 17:21.12 | mrpull | DHCP should be able to do what (i think) you describe |
| 17:22.30 | vontrapp | then i'd have to set up dhcp |
| 17:23.04 | mrpull | it might be easier that making custom scripts <shrug> |
| 17:23.14 | levi | Have you looked at zeroconf? |
| 17:23.34 | vontrapp | the idea was to set up my laptop so when it's plugged into my switch at home, it knows that what network that is and turns on masquerating and tunneling through the wireless |
| 17:24.07 | mrpull | ahh... ok. I offered a solution before I understood the problem. |
| 17:24.57 | mrpull | what distro? |
| 17:25.02 | vontrapp | debian |
| 17:25.53 | mrpull | RH/FC have "profiles" that would be a step in the right direction... but I don't know about debian. |
| 17:25.59 | levi | vontrapp: Perhaps you could assume one network, check a resource that's only available on that network, and then switch to the other configuration if it's not available. |
| 17:26.49 | byronc | debian has ifscheme |
| 17:27.15 | jsmith | tensai: A good P4 ~2.4 GHz should do fine. |
| 17:27.17 | levi | e.g., have a link-local address that you assume at first and a Linux box at home that has an interface aliased to another link-local fixed address. |
| 17:28.01 | levi | If you get a ping response, then you assume you're home and continue on the 'home' setup path. |
| 17:29.04 | Bradipo | vontrapp: So you want a different set of firewall rules based on the network? |
| 17:29.27 | Bradipo | For example, on network A you want to allow port 80, but on network B only allow port 443? |
| 17:29.27 | vontrapp | Bradipo: yes... but just for forwarding |
| 17:29.53 | Bradipo | So you want to know the correct IP for masquerading? |
| 17:30.02 | Bradipo | Or rather, the correct network... |
| 17:30.06 | vontrapp | right |
| 17:30.24 | Bradipo | Just masquerade from anything. |
| 17:30.28 | Bradipo | No need to know the network. |
| 17:30.53 | Bradipo | Assume that anything coming from the internal interface needs masquerading. |
| 17:31.34 | vontrapp | Bradipo: yes, that's the idea, though at the time there is only one other computer there |
| 17:32.22 | Bradipo | Well, that would save you the trouble of needing to know the network you are on, just masquerade all networks. |
| 17:33.29 | hans | user reports openvpn runs circles around pcanywhere |
| 17:34.25 | vontrapp | except when i go plug in a cable from somewhere else, i wouldn't have to worry about the masquerading because it wouldn't even configure properly until i can figure out a way to configure on a per-network basis |
| 17:34.25 | hans | I'm not sure what pcanywhere is, but I think it might be running over the old ipsec vpn, or it might be doing a reverse firewall puncture initiated from his workstation. anyway, you can use that buzzphrase courtesy of me. |
| 17:35.42 | Bradipo | pcanywhere just allows remote control of a computer, at least that's what I thought it did. |
| 17:35.53 | Bradipo | Like VNC, but more. |
| 17:36.03 | hans | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 17:37.26 | Bradipo | vontrapp: I must be missing something. |
| 17:37.39 | Bradipo | Are you saying you want to use masquerading on some networks, but not others? |
| 17:38.27 | levi | Bradipo: He also doesn't want to set up dhcp, I think. |
| 17:38.42 | hans | ooh, yahoo has a firefox toolbar. That's good. not cuz I like yahoo, but because it means firefox is noticed and deemed important by yahoos. |
| 17:39.32 | vontrapp | Bradipo: yes, levi: yes |
| 17:39.45 | vontrapp | i'm using ifplugd |
| 17:39.53 | vontrapp | which will just configure the interface using dhcp |
| 17:40.23 | vontrapp | but i was hoping for a quick way to check a network in the ifplugd script to treat my home network as a special case (no dhcp) |
| 17:40.37 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 17:40.40 | Jayce^ | grr.. |
| 17:40.53 | Bradipo | So, you want to try to get an IP via DHCP, and if that fails, assign the IP statically? |
| 17:40.53 | vontrapp | i guess i could have it check the ssid of the wireless network i'm currently on... |
| 17:40.54 | hans | yeah |
| 17:41.08 | hans | ~clue vontrapp |
| 17:41.10 | ibot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for vontrapp "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 17:41.25 | hans | you didn't mention they were both wireless. that makes it simple. |
| 17:41.36 | vontrapp | no, just the one is wireless |
| 17:41.38 | hans | ok, I don't get dilbert. |
| 17:41.49 | vontrapp | me either |
| 17:42.56 | vontrapp | unless he's lookin to fire the other two |
| 17:44.15 | Bradipo | The two bald heads are IT persons? |
| 17:44.30 | Bradipo | Or just other employees... |
| 17:45.13 | Bradipo | So, either he's firing one of them, or going to tell them that they now have to support Blackberry (which is an IT nightmare). |
| 17:45.43 | Bradipo | Not sure though, this one has me stumped. |
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| 17:47.53 | Maquis | that one is just kinda weird |
| 17:48.02 | Jayce^ | glad I wasn't the only one |
| 18:03.58 | *** topic/#utah by hans -> The source for OSS focused communication in Utah. Check out sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, etc. If anyone understands today's dilbert, please share. |
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| 18:18.09 | vontrapp | ~lart OIt |
| 18:21.52 | goozbach | I'm glad it's not just me that doesn't understand today's dilbert |
| 18:22.04 | goozbach | and btw dilbert isn't in IT |
| 18:22.10 | goozbach | he's an engineer |
| 18:22.25 | Bradipo | goozbach: I was talking about the two bald headed guys. |
| 18:22.28 | Bradipo | Not dilbert. |
| 18:24.13 | goozbach | ahh |
| 18:25.17 | goozbach | maybe tomorrow will make it more obvious as to what's going on |
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| 18:28.34 | vontrapp | . . . |
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| 18:43.14 | hans | is there hope for a CD/DVD rom drive that has a hard time reading CDs? Lens cleaners or something? |
| 18:44.14 | levi | It may be an alignment issue rather than dust. |
| 18:44.29 | levi | In which case it's probably cheaper to replace than repair. |
| 18:44.57 | levi | You could try a lens cleaner disc, but I don't know if it would help. |
| 18:45.43 | synic | http://www.spammimic.com - heh |
| 18:46.23 | hans | this is a modular laptop drive. |
| 18:46.27 | levi | vontrapp: If you increased the laser power output, that probably helped, but masked the alignment problem and led to undue wear on other components. |
| 18:46.35 | levi | Hmm, time for lunch. |
| 18:48.30 | vontrapp | oh, i remember what it was now, not a cd player, a ps2 console |
| 18:53.33 | vontrapp | hopefully you can't increase the laser to where it would damage cds? |
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| 19:00.03 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 19:00.13 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 19:00.20 | Maquis | stupid bot!!! |
| 19:00.27 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
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| 19:01.47 | Maquis | ~lart brigham for signing off |
| 19:02.30 | Maquis | many thanks to all of you who explained huffman encoding to me a week or 2 ago... |
| 19:02.42 | Maquis | it made today's colloquium much more interesting |
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| 19:15.45 | goozbach | ha ha sjansen can't stick around long |
| 19:15.52 | Maquis | howdy goozbach |
| 19:15.57 | goozbach | zup |
| 19:16.51 | Maquis | not much... |
| 19:17.00 | Maquis | cool colloquium... :) |
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| 19:36.37 | hans | wanted: latitude/inspiron (c-series) cdrom module for sale or rent/lend |
| 19:39.05 | Maquis | |lart silly girls..... |
| 19:39.14 | vontrapp | haha |
| 19:39.18 | Maquis | i'm not joking |
| 19:39.27 | Maquis | they can be really annoying... |
| 19:39.28 | vontrapp | no, the lart was quite fitting |
| 19:39.35 | Maquis | sitting around and talking about nothig... |
| 19:39.45 | hans | will a WAP serve 30 clients easily? |
| 19:39.45 | vontrapp | yep, that's destiny |
| 19:39.51 | Maquis | gah!!!!! |
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| 19:47.02 | vontrapp | ~dict ameliorate |
| 19:48.07 | Maquis | ibot: when you give sentences as examples in a dictionary entry, it's generally a good idea to actually use the word |
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| 19:53.16 | goozbach | that's great |
| 19:53.23 | goozbach | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.34 | goozbach | " the dog went across the street" |
| 19:53.37 | Maquis | ~dict goo |
| 19:53.52 | Maquis | ~dict maquis |
| 19:54.17 | Maquis | (also a type of french scrubbrush) |
| 19:55.47 | goozbach | ~dict goozbach |
| 19:55.55 | goozbach | I'm undefined |
| 19:57.07 | goozbach | define goozbach |
| 19:57.35 | goozbach | $goozbach = user::unix::admin->new(); |
| 19:58.18 | goozbach | ok so now I'm defined |
| 19:58.46 | goozbach | I need to come up with a good story behind my nick |
| 19:58.56 | goozbach | my old nick had one |
| 19:58.59 | goozbach | this one doesn't |
| 19:59.13 | levi | What was your old nick? |
| 19:59.20 | goozbach | friocorte |
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| 20:35.11 | vontrapp | |lart php |
| 20:40.32 | Jayce^ | it's overrated |
| 20:45.46 | goozbach | maybe... just maybe it doesn't look good because all of them will now have to work all day and all night?... |
| 20:52.37 | hans | nah. he'd be happy about that. |
| 21:06.24 | levi | I wish mainstream X had decent compositing features. |
| 21:07.17 | vontrapp | before too long x.org will be mainstream |
| 21:07.55 | levi | Yeah. That'll be nice. |
| 21:08.09 | JoshH | it pretty much already is mainstream |
| 21:09.21 | tensai | unless you're lucky enough to use Debian |
| 21:09.37 | levi | Well, x.org is, but the compositing extensions are not quite yet. |
| 21:09.50 | levi | Unless I missed them going mainstream somehow. |
| 21:10.01 | levi | Is anyone shipping a distro with them enabled? |
| 21:10.19 | JoshH | i dont know about that |
| 21:10.27 | vontrapp | gentoo used x.org |
| 21:10.45 | tensai | fc3 is x.org |
| 21:11.01 | JoshH | its easy enough to turn it on though. basically all we have to wait for, besides the compositing to become faster and more stable, are for WM's to take advantage of it. |
| 21:11.14 | JoshH | i think the newest fluxbox does |
| 21:11.31 | levi | Right. So, it's not really mainstream yet, but close. |
| 21:11.37 | JoshH | well i meant xorg was mainstream |
| 21:11.42 | JoshH | except for debian |
| 21:12.08 | levi | Well, Debian will get it eventually, and I could grab the package from Ubuntu if I wanted to. |
| 21:12.47 | levi | But, as far as I can tell, it wouldn't buy me much at this point except for being able to turn on the compositing and have things be slow and not quite right. |
| 21:12.53 | JoshH | ya exactly |
| 21:13.18 | JoshH | besides debian's xfree has a lot of xorg stuff backported from what i understand. |
| 21:13.30 | levi | It just pains me to have everything look really nice until I drag a window on top of another one. |
| 21:13.31 | JoshH | not the compositing, but bugfixes and stuff |
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| 21:14.02 | levi | Anyway, the Xgl server sounds interesting. |
| 21:15.37 | levi | Yuck. |
| 21:15.47 | levi | What project were you getting started? |
| 21:16.12 | TimRiker | It's a new family of calculator type devices. |
| 21:16.54 | levi | Did management mandate some form of Windows on it? |
| 21:17.37 | Jayce^ | 'project opportunities' == jobs? |
| 21:17.45 | TimRiker | hehe. nope. choose another rtos to avoid the GPL/LGPL issues. |
| 21:17.51 | TimRiker | Jayce^: yep. |
| 21:18.28 | Jayce^ | Texas, or thinking of coming back here? |
| 21:18.45 | TimRiker | still have a job here, but not planning to learn another embedded rtos. it's probably a safe decision for TI, just not what I want as a career. |
| 21:18.57 | TimRiker | Jayce^: could move for the right position. |
| 21:19.03 | Jayce^ | got two people you should talk to :) |
| 21:19.10 | TimRiker | send em along. ;-) |
| 21:19.13 | Jayce^ | you remember thayne? |
| 21:19.32 | TimRiker | yep. very well. still at linux networx or is he at realm now? |
| 21:19.37 | Jayce^ | just went to realm |
| 21:19.48 | Jayce^ | said they are looking for folks |
| 21:19.57 | TimRiker | cool. I just emailed mike anderer. talked to him at CES. |
| 21:20.01 | Jayce^ | cool |
| 21:20.38 | Jayce^ | also, if you see joshc in here.. |
| 21:21.27 | Jayce^ | <jcoates@archive.org> <- mention that you are looking |
| 21:21.49 | Jayce^ | if you've kept on plug/sllug, he's posted jobs on there recently |
| 21:23.28 | hans | how do you know if you need stitches? |
| 21:23.52 | vontrapp | when tissue comes out |
| 21:23.57 | levi | Stitches are usually a good idea if you have a long & deep cut. |
| 21:24.27 | hans | across the fingertip |
| 21:24.39 | Jayce^ | how deep? |
| 21:25.06 | vontrapp | hans: if the cut closes up ok with a bandaid, i wouldn't worry about it |
| 21:25.31 | vontrapp | but if things start getting all inside out like my thumb was... |
| 21:25.37 | hans | deeper than i like to see on my fingertip |
| 21:25.51 | levi | Stitches might help it heal with less scar tissue. |
| 21:25.54 | hans | i think it will stay with a bandaid though |
| 21:26.27 | hans | i'm estimating 1/32 inch |
| 21:27.01 | vontrapp | phsaw, mine was like 1/4" at least |
| 21:27.40 | hans | nothing like you von. :) |
| 21:27.58 | levi | Probably not necessary to get stitches, then. But I am not a doctor, and it would be hard to diagnose over irc anyway. |
| 21:28.07 | hans | looked deeper at first. seems to be closing up nicely now that it's bleeding less. |
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| 21:28.35 | levi | How did you slice it? |
| 21:28.59 | hans | cutting a zip tie off of a ethernet cable |
| 21:29.14 | levi | One of my fingers needed stitches twice. First time I about chopped the tip off with a hatchet. Second time I was splitting bamboo with a pocketknife and nearly split my finger as well. |
| 21:30.04 | TimRiker | isn't there some utah valley company that makes new skin? (hehe) |
| 21:30.22 | levi | I'm sure you'd LOVE working for them. |
| 21:30.42 | levi | Or working for Tahitian Noni. |
| 21:31.45 | TimRiker | I know corey lindley and his family quite well actually. but I'm not aware of any Linux projects they have going on. |
| 21:32.11 | TimRiker | he made a pretty penny working there though. |
| 21:32.16 | levi | Which one? |
| 21:32.16 | brigham | Which one is that? |
| 21:32.18 | bonez39 | question about html email (dont' say...don't use it)...if I am home and on my wife's laptop machine...and I paste the html images and test into a new email from outlook express, the images all show up just fine and test too..but if I open a new email from moz-thunderbird...the text goes in, but the images are not visible.....why? |
| 21:33.24 | TimRiker | http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/personinfo/FromMktGuideIdPersonTearsheet.jhtml?passedMktGuideId=54681 |
| 21:33.34 | TimRiker | sheesh. that's what I need 1.8M/year |
| 21:33.49 | levi | TimRiker: LoveSac is the big new thing... maybe they'll hire you to make a computerized LoveSac widget. |
| 21:34.11 | TimRiker | levi: heh. embeddded linux lovesac. sounds like fun. |
| 21:34.33 | hans | :) |
| 21:34.56 | hans | well now might be a good time to learn dvorak, while my typing is slow anyway. |
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| 22:02.56 | levi | Whoa. New Order is putting out another new album? |
| 22:03.08 | vontrapp | nice |
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| 22:09.39 | levi | http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/wadler/language.pdf |
| 22:09.44 | levi | The Evolution of Language |
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| 22:32.13 | leinaD | est-ce qu'il y en a quelqu'un ici qui parle la francaise? |
| 22:33.20 | Bradipo | No, but I speak Italian. |
| 22:33.54 | Bradipo | I suppose it is possible that someone else here might though. |
| 22:34.03 | leinaD | If they do, they're making themselves scarce. |
| 22:41.32 | leinaD | Oh well. On a completely unrelated subject - is it possible to get ls to only list directories? |
| 22:41.45 | hans | ls -l | grep ^d |
| 22:42.25 | leinaD | is that a shift-6 or a ctrl-v, d? |
| 22:43.02 | leinaD | oh... I see. it's looking for d's that are at the start of the line, innit? |
| 22:47.26 | hans | yup |
| 22:48.02 | goozbach | ls -ld |
| 22:48.28 | leinaD | ls -ld only lists ./ |
| 22:50.21 | goozbach | nm I'm up in the night there |
| 22:51.50 | vontrapp | ls -ld * |
| 22:52.01 | vontrapp | but that's just the same as ls -l |
| 23:05.30 | tene | Yay, I'm getting close to done. |
| 23:06.08 | tene | leinaD: you could also use 'find' |
| 23:10.02 | tene | hrmm... I really need to Finnish this up so I can post it to whatever mailing list I shoudl post it to. |
| 23:11.14 | vontrapp | why do you have to Finnish it before posting? do you have to Yiddish it, too? |
| 23:11.25 | tene | Nope, just Finnish. |
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| 23:23.11 | tene | so what lists should I post "Please take my old hardware" to? |
| 23:26.37 | hans | lists with people. |
| 23:29.42 | jsmith | tene: Any good hardware? |
| 23:30.03 | tene | depends on your definition of "good" |
| 23:36.34 | jsmith | Any useful hardware then? |
| 23:36.52 | jsmith | Anything a EE computer geek would actually find interesting? |
| 23:36.52 | tene | once again... depends on what's useful to you. |
| 23:37.01 | tene | a stack of kinda oldish motherboards |
| 23:37.07 | tene | lots and lots of assorted cables |
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| 23:37.17 | tene | a bunch of ISA expansion cards |
| 23:37.20 | jsmith | How olding on the mobos? |
| 23:37.25 | xbmodder_lappy | foo |
| 23:37.25 | jsmith | s/olding/oldish/ |
| 23:37.27 | tene | hrmm... |
| 23:37.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ! |
| 23:37.35 | jsmith | tene: Mobos come with CPUs? |
| 23:37.44 | tene | pentium - pentium2 era |
| 23:37.50 | jsmith | Dual proc? |
| 23:37.57 | tene | I've got a few with pentium chips in 'em |
| 23:37.59 | xbmodder_lappy | pentium5 |
| 23:38.00 | tene | no dual procs |
| 23:38.03 | jsmith | :-( |
| 23:38.18 | jsmith | I need a new crash-test-dummy box, but I'd like something at least dual-proc 500s. |
| 23:38.23 | tene | If I had a dual proc board, I wouldn't be trying to get rid of it. |
| 23:41.27 | goozbach | at 4:30pm ??? |
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| 23:41.32 | goozbach | mock Maquis |
| 23:41.37 | goozbach | everybody now |
| 23:42.52 | Bradipo | jsmith: I heard you could get dual proc Compaqs at MAS for a good price. |