| 00:01.37 | *** join/#utah tensai-treo (~upirc@032-360-573.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 00:01.57 | tensai-treo | hallo |
| 00:02.29 | jakea | hah! Perl vulnerabilities! It will be catching up to PHP soon. ;) |
| 00:03.47 | scott_ | where do you find the program to change IIS settings? |
| 00:04.44 | tensai-treo | mmc |
| 00:04.46 | scott_ | I mean, this computer is running IIS, but I don't know where to change it's properties |
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| 00:05.20 | tensai-treo | then you'll have to add the snap-in |
| 00:07.27 | jakea | if you are say, root running cron, how would you get a command to run under a different user so the script will access the user config files (oh say, in .ssh for example) |
| 00:09.05 | mrpull | scott_ Start | Control Panel | Admin Tools | Internet Information Services |
| 00:09.18 | mrpull | jakea: would su -c do the trick? |
| 00:10.00 | scott_ | ahh, I was looking under programs, thanks mrpull |
| 00:10.28 | mrpull | right click My Comp and choose manage too. |
| 00:10.35 | jakea | ah, maybe. say su notroot -c "do stuff" |
| 00:10.36 | mrpull | that is a good shortcut to all the important stuff. |
| 00:11.19 | mrpull | jakea: that's where I'd start. |
| 00:12.09 | jakea | thanks |
| 00:12.18 | mrpull | holy cow. quitting time. later all! |
| 00:14.01 | goozbach | jakea: su - userfoo -c |
| 00:14.07 | goozbach | don't forget the dash |
| 00:14.18 | goozbach | that makes sure you have the user's path etc |
| 00:14.49 | scott_ | any recommendations on a laptop? I was considering buying a one of the new 12inch powerbooks but apparently their wifi cards don't work in linux so now I'm thinking about getting the 900$ ibook that doesn't come with a wifi card and buying one seperately. I saw a sweet dell that was really thin but I don't know the model number and can't find it online. any suggestions? |
| 00:15.06 | scott_ | I'm looking for something small. |
| 00:15.20 | goozbach | IBM thinkpad |
| 00:15.56 | jakea | mrpull / goozbach, it works, although it didn't need the dash |
| 00:16.08 | jakea | but I can see why it would be good to put in there anyway |
| 00:16.42 | goozbach | the R- series if you want power |
| 00:16.49 | goozbach | the t series if you want balance |
| 00:16.52 | jakea | ths guys |
| 00:16.54 | jakea | er, thx |
| 00:16.57 | goozbach | the X series if you want supersmall |
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| 00:17.32 | goozbach | and the G series if you want to lug around a desktop machine |
| 00:18.08 | scott_ | do you have an r series? |
| 00:18.22 | goozbach | I have the T series |
| 00:18.25 | goozbach | t42 |
| 00:18.45 | scott_ | what kind of battery life do you get? |
| 00:18.53 | goozbach | most everything works under linux out of the box |
| 00:19.16 | *** part/#utah orbit (~hanksdc_n@pollux.northsky.com) |
| 00:19.21 | goozbach | without getting acpi and that foo tuned I get 2.5 hours running full speed |
| 00:19.49 | goozbach | my boss got the extended battery and has acpi tuned real well and he gets something like 5 hours |
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| 00:25.36 | levi_ | Woo, X works. |
| 00:25.56 | levi_ | Turns out the server I was using was broken on this adapter. |
| 00:29.54 | xbmodder | ? |
| 00:38.23 | brailsmt | what is good, relatively easy to setup and use MTA? |
| 00:40.41 | spr | I found that postfix was fairly easy to setup |
| 00:40.53 | spr | Well documented conf file. |
| 00:41.02 | jakea | spr: Bug Mcnabb tonight. Bring books. |
| 00:41.23 | spr | ok |
| 00:57.49 | dataw0lf | yeah, you have to apply some brainpower to it. |
| 01:05.43 | xbmodder | rm -rf dataw0lf; touch findlay |
| 01:05.46 | xbmodder | haha... :) |
| 01:05.58 | xbmodder | bash does not work for IRC :( |
| 01:06.04 | dataw0lf | want a cookie? |
| 01:06.16 | xbmodder | sure |
| 01:06.16 | xbmodder | :) |
| 01:06.20 | xbmodder | ~cookie dataw0lf |
| 01:06.30 | xbmodder | ? |
| 01:06.36 | xbmodder | ~xbmodder |
| 01:06.37 | ibot | you are probably a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 01:07.19 | dataw0lf | I thought Paradise was in Missouri. |
| 01:07.38 | xbmodder | wtf? since when has missori been coool> |
| 01:07.52 | dataw0lf | since the Mormons said that Adam and Eve lived there. |
| 01:08.08 | xbmodder | i can't diss them... but yeah right |
| 01:08.41 | dataw0lf | you can't diss who? |
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| 01:09.21 | xbmodder | mormens |
| 01:09.29 | goozbach | Peregrine: did you have trouble getting into canada? |
| 01:09.44 | dataw0lf | xbmodder: trust me, you don't need to diss them. |
| 01:10.50 | xbmodder | huh? |
| 01:11.40 | dataw0lf | just put your hand above your head next time so you can catch it. |
| 01:13.24 | xbmodder | cool |
| 01:16.27 | levi_ | Ahh, this computer is so much more usable in Linux. |
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| 01:19.30 | fozz | Which is better: Northwood or Prescott? |
| 01:20.23 | dataw0lf | explains the qmail problems. |
| 01:21.14 | fozz | O |
| 01:21.22 | fozz | I'mt alking about Pentium 4 cores. |
| 01:21.59 | dataw0lf | ok, and I wasn't. |
| 01:23.02 | fozz | Does anyone know? |
| 01:23.56 | dataw0lf | http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=1956&p=24 |
| 01:34.22 | levi_ | Sweet, the jogdial on my laptop automatically became the scroll wheel. |
| 01:38.51 | xbmodder | ok i need some more advice... who to tell: |
| 01:38.55 | xbmodder | Maquis, you there |
| 01:39.40 | xbmodder | no one is here... |
| 01:39.45 | xbmodder | or are you hiding |
| 01:39.55 | xbmodder | well i will speak out... |
| 01:40.32 | xbmodder | i know someone who is really.. uhh.. well they need some rehab. i have no way of contacting them... or their parents. any ideas? |
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| 01:45.06 | xbmodder | Maquis, come back... i need some help badly |
| 01:48.24 | fozz | xbmodder: Wassup, man? |
| 01:48.42 | xbmodder | fozz, can't say |
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| 01:49.05 | xbmodder | other than my life is so unstable that actions i take might kill someone..... |
| 01:49.06 | fozz | From what you HAVE said, it sounds like it's out of your hands. |
| 01:49.15 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 01:49.24 | xbmodder | SpecialK, not now... |
| 01:50.06 | SpecialK | It's my way of saying hello, though now that I look at it, you do seem to be discussing serious matters |
| 01:50.39 | xbmodder | SpecialK, well i wanna talk to Maquis about this.. as most of you are not qualified for the position |
| 01:51.13 | xbmodder | can you guys do me a favor... tell her when you get time contact xbmodder. email: xbmodder@gmail.com |
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| 01:52.06 | xbmodder | levi-laptop, get Maquis |
| 01:52.13 | levi_ | How am I supposed to do that? |
| 01:52.21 | xbmodder | idk? |
| 01:52.28 | levi-laptop | What? |
| 01:57.00 | mheath | Mmm, I'm in love. |
| 01:57.25 | mheath | http://enlightenment.org/pages/engage.html <--Who would have thought the OS X Launcher bar could be improved? |
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| 01:59.19 | vontrapp | |lart cingular |
| 02:00.49 | levi-laptop | mheath: How's it better than the OS X dock? |
| 02:01.48 | mheath | levi: more customizable, better icon rendering (though that isn't mentioned or shown well on that page), incorporates a clock, incorprorates a notification icon area |
| 02:03.41 | levi-laptop | Interesting. |
| 02:04.03 | levi-laptop | I'm not a huge fan of the Dock. Don't mind it, but it's not my idea of the ideal taskbar thingy. |
| 02:04.30 | mheath | I like the Dock, but have other problems with the OS X Desktop... |
| 02:04.48 | mheath | I don't like how the only way to quickly launch a program is by sticking a huge icon for it on the dock |
| 02:05.06 | levi-laptop | Quicksilver is a cool way to launch apps. |
| 02:06.25 | mheath | http://enlightenment.org/pages/img/sys_emotion_shot1.png <--WOW. |
| 02:11.58 | scott_ | actually currently I don't think it has any of those features. http://www.rasterman.com/files/e17-27.jpg |
| 02:12.56 | mheath | scott_: which features? |
| 02:14.38 | scott_ | the ones you listed. I guess I just did notice the clock and notification area in the screenshot I posted--they weren't included in the cvs version I tried a while ago so I didn't think they were working |
| 02:15.49 | mheath | scott_: It's all under heavy development. Those features of Engage are probably really new |
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| 02:19.36 | levi-laptop | Is E17 ever going to be released? |
| 02:22.00 | brailsmt | levi-laptop: after it is rewritten... |
| 02:22.02 | brailsmt | :) |
| 02:22.36 | Peregrine | goozbach: no. You? |
| 02:23.26 | joshc_ | peregrine, are you a falcon? |
| 02:23.41 | goozbach | Peregrine: yeah I got the thrid degreee |
| 02:24.03 | goozbach | what are you doing who are teaching what are you teaching? |
| 02:24.52 | goozbach | did you just tell immagration you were here for vacation? |
| 02:25.07 | brailsmt | i think there is some punctuation missing in that question... |
| 02:25.19 | vontrapp | and some words... |
| 02:25.19 | goozbach | brailsmt: no there isn't |
| 02:25.22 | Peregrine | Let's see if I can get all of those in order, shall we? |
| 02:25.25 | Peregrine | :) |
| 02:25.38 | goozbach | that's just how it seemed |
| 02:25.53 | Maquis | mmmmmmm |
| 02:26.03 | goozbach | a single breath forty question |
| 02:26.05 | goozbach | s |
| 02:26.09 | joshc | you cant be stuffed to the brim |
| 02:26.11 | Maquis | happy chinese new year everyone :) |
| 02:26.17 | Peregrine | Sitting in the hotel typing on my notebook keyboard. 2 students. GL120. |
| 02:26.19 | SpecialK | and I wasn't invited? |
| 02:26.32 | SpecialK | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.34 | Maquis | SpecialK: sorry... |
| 02:26.43 | joshc | you can fill something to the brim, but i dont think you can stuff it. |
| 02:26.56 | Peregrine | No, I told them that I was going to teach a class. |
| 02:27.55 | goozbach | hmm |
| 02:29.12 | goozbach | maybe I shoulda quoted that string of questions |
| 02:30.25 | Newsome | brown sugar is supposed to be packed |
| 02:30.38 | Maquis | Newsome: yes... why? |
| 02:31.19 | Newsome | you stuff brown sugar to the brim... |
| 02:31.47 | joshc | i think you pack brown sugar the brim |
| 02:31.51 | joshc | i dont think you stuff it |
| 02:31.58 | joshc | but i guess you could |
| 02:32.05 | joshc | just doesnt seem stuff-able. |
| 02:33.27 | brailsmt | find is an awesome command :) |
| 02:33.28 | brailsmt | tar cjf old_mail.tbz2 `find ~/.maildir ! -mtime 5` |
| 02:33.39 | brailsmt | ^-- saves all mail older than five days in old_mail.tbz2 |
| 02:36.22 | brailsmt | of course tar complains about the length of the argument size... |
| 02:36.30 | brailsmt | *sigh* |
| 02:37.38 | brailsmt | 43k files will do that... |
| 02:41.59 | Peregrine | joshc: Sorry, wasn't ignoring you; just had to answer the phone. Work stuff. |
| 02:42.39 | Peregrine | joshc: Um, I am human :). I picked this handle when I was a kid (like 9, or someting). |
| 02:44.24 | brailsmt | Peregrine: how fast can you dive? |
| 02:44.35 | brailsmt | what's it like to go so fast? |
| 02:45.10 | Peregrine | It's awesome! I can actually break the sound barrier briefly in a dive. |
| 02:45.12 | Peregrine | :) |
| 02:46.25 | brailsmt | Peregrine: does that hurt you ears? |
| 02:47.20 | Peregrine | The ears are folded back so as to reduce drag when in a dive. If not, they would fold back from the pressure, anyway, I guess. |
| 02:47.40 | Peregrine | So, goozbach, how is Canadia? |
| 02:48.15 | Peregrine | ~lart Canadian Customs |
| 02:48.38 | levi-laptop | brailsmt: Maybe use xargs and mv to move all the old mail to a new directory, then tar the whole directory. |
| 02:49.38 | goozbach | COLD |
| 02:49.54 | goozbach | it was -18 C when I got here |
| 02:50.00 | brailsmt | levi-laptop: i just did 'find ~/.maildir -not -mtime 5 > file; tar cjf old_mail.tbz2 -T file' |
| 02:50.27 | brailsmt | its still going... |
| 02:50.44 | Peregrine | Well, my rental car was covered with ice & snow this morning; however, I have temperatures in the balmy 20's. :) |
| 02:50.58 | brailsmt | 20C or 20F? |
| 02:51.02 | brailsmt | i could go for 20C |
| 02:51.05 | Peregrine | 20F |
| 02:51.09 | brailsmt | oh |
| 02:51.12 | brailsmt | dang... |
| 02:51.33 | Peregrine | lol, me too, that's why I went to Australia for a month in the middle of winter in the Northern Hemisphere. |
| 02:52.19 | Peregrine | well, actually there were other reasons to go on that vacation, which did not include the weather. But what a perk! |
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| 03:12.20 | joshc | np peregrine - i figured you probably werent a real falcon. |
| 03:12.30 | joshc | because you've got typing skills |
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| 03:14.51 | joshc | anyone ever eat zacharys pizza in berkeley? |
| 03:14.52 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 03:14.53 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 03:14.58 | xbmodder_lappy | california? |
| 03:15.02 | joshc | yes |
| 03:15.27 | joshc | everyone says they know "the best pizza place ever" but they are all wrong. |
| 03:15.29 | xbmodder_lappy | do you know how much an apartment costs there? |
| 03:15.38 | joshc | unless they say "it's zachary's" |
| 03:15.44 | joshc | i have a pretty good idea. |
| 03:15.50 | joshc | i lived there for a while |
| 03:16.17 | joshc | i would pay hundreds of dollars to receive next day air shipments of half-baked zachary's |
| 03:16.34 | xbmodder_lappy | how much... |
| 03:16.52 | joshc | like a 1 bedroom apt? |
| 03:16.56 | joshc | northside or south? |
| 03:17.07 | xbmodder_lappy | like cheapest... |
| 03:17.10 | xbmodder_lappy | any where |
| 03:17.21 | xbmodder_lappy | i wanna help my friend move up here... |
| 03:17.24 | joshc | you *dont* want to live in the cheapest part of berkeley |
| 03:17.39 | xbmodder_lappy | well... its better than were shes living right now |
| 03:17.39 | joshc | but the cheapest 1 bedroom you can probably get for like $600/mo |
| 03:17.55 | joshc | but that would be in a really, really nasty part of town |
| 03:18.11 | joshc | that i would never let anyone i cared about live |
| 03:18.33 | joshc | if you wanted to live in a 'reasonable' part of town, it'd cost you more like $1500/mo |
| 03:19.00 | joshc | why do you want to help your friend move to berkeley of all places? |
| 03:19.03 | joshc | for the pizza? |
| 03:20.50 | joshc | if she is a student, the student housing is pretty cheap, but she'd have to have a family to get into it. |
| 03:21.00 | joshc | it's in some old army barracks near albany. |
| 03:27.52 | joshc | croatia is the largest exporter of truffles in the world. |
| 03:33.54 | tene | okay, I'm finally goign to go through and throw out a lot of my stuff |
| 03:33.59 | tene | by which I mean mainly give to DI |
| 03:34.05 | tene | but get rid of |
| 03:34.17 | tene | so I need to decide on some guidelines for what's acceptable to keep and what isn't. |
| 03:34.20 | joshc | your going to export your truffles to DI? |
| 03:34.48 | tene | no, several boxes of computer hardware. |
| 03:35.09 | joshc | oh. |
| 03:35.26 | joshc | well, i have no interest in that then. |
| 03:35.58 | joshc | mostly just exporting truffles. |
| 03:36.16 | tene | ISA == byebye |
| 03:36.22 | tene | AT keyboard connector == gone |
| 03:39.01 | joshc | would you hire someone who worked in the russian federation IRS dept at one time? |
| 03:40.28 | joshc | ever feel like irc is mostly a one-way communication thing? |
| 03:41.01 | tene | not really |
| 03:41.05 | tene | do you? |
| 03:41.39 | joshc | yeah. mostly. |
| 03:41.45 | tene | 'kay |
| 03:42.09 | joshc | it doesn't seem to quite be real-time. |
| 03:42.42 | joshc | i mean, it's more realtime than a mailing list, but it's certainly not like a ytalk session. |
| 03:43.07 | joshc | it's this strange stilted form of bursty conversation. |
| 03:44.12 | tene | often |
| 03:44.19 | tene | it depends n the server/channel, though |
| 03:44.28 | tene | but to some degree, yeah |
| 03:44.56 | joshc | i think it's fairly typical of irc to have dozens of people on a channel AFK. |
| 03:45.12 | tene | yeah |
| 03:45.25 | joshc | and that's a pretty unnatural way to communicate |
| 03:45.44 | joshc | because, after i log off, at some point in the future, people will read this |
| 03:45.59 | joshc | and that's pretty much a one-way form of communication. that's weird. |
| 03:46.04 | tene | hmm |
| 03:46.04 | goozbach | joshc: just don't log off |
| 03:46.07 | goozbach | :) |
| 03:46.08 | joshc | lol |
| 03:46.26 | tene | although if someone's reading it, it can't be one-way |
| 03:46.42 | joshc | how do you figure that? |
| 03:46.52 | joshc | i guess technically it 1-to-many |
| 03:47.41 | joshc | but it's like the ACKs are dropped |
| 03:48.16 | joshc | irc is like a udp broadcast. |
| 03:48.24 | joshc | except the packets persist |
| 03:48.38 | tene | the packets are logged |
| 03:48.48 | tene | hmm |
| 03:49.50 | joshc | so i guess what i'm saying is that logged UDP broadcasting w/o any session management in a network of unreliable and/or unresponsive machines doesn't seem so good. |
| 03:49.58 | joshc | you know what i mean? |
| 03:50.01 | tene | I've got a line drawn across a rug, and everything has to go on one side or the other. |
| 03:50.07 | tene | hmm |
| 03:50.16 | tene | depends on the purpose |
| 03:50.38 | tene | what's the purpose of IRC? |
| 03:50.42 | joshc | how about the purpose of communication? |
| 03:52.12 | joshc | ok, well i'll let you get to your antiquated hardware sorting |
| 03:52.23 | joshc | ttyl |
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| 03:52.47 | tene | poll: is a bad AGP slot enough to justify a motherboard not worth keeping? |
| 03:52.52 | tene | a PII board |
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| 03:55.36 | goozbach | tene: that'd make a good appliance board |
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| 03:56.31 | tene | appliance board? |
| 03:56.37 | goozbach | network appliance |
| 03:56.37 | tene | heya, Maquis. |
| 03:56.43 | tene | true |
| 03:56.48 | goozbach | email server, firewall etc |
| 03:56.57 | wps | how do I give a use sudo ability? |
| 03:57.03 | tene | wps: visudo |
| 03:57.05 | wps | add them to the wheel group? |
| 03:57.11 | wps | visudo <username> ? |
| 03:57.19 | tene | no, just "visudo" |
| 03:57.24 | tene | that lets you edit the sudoers file |
| 03:57.41 | tene | if your sudoers is set up right, then adding to the wheel group will work |
| 03:57.51 | tene | the defaults depend on your distro |
| 03:58.49 | Maquis | hmmm.... |
| 03:59.20 | tene | I think I'll reluctantly put it in the giveaway pile |
| 03:59.42 | tene | I've got two fully functional pentium boards with procs in there |
| 03:59.47 | Peregrine | Maquis: glad you're back. |
| 03:59.57 | Maquis | Peregrine: thanks |
| 03:59.57 | tene | They run just fine! What if I need it for... something... ?! |
| 04:00.09 | Maquis | i was just switching to a newly compiled kernel :) |
| 04:00.14 | Maquis | (again)( |
| 04:01.16 | Peregrine | tene: do you already have a couple of small servers on your network? one of those pentium systems makes a great firewall/router. |
| 04:02.35 | tene | Peregrine: Yes, I know that, but I just don't have enough room to keep everything around. |
| 04:02.39 | tene | do you want them? |
| 04:04.03 | Peregrine | I'm not talking about everything. I know where you are at, though; been there myself :). |
| 04:04.51 | Peregrine | I'm just saying, put up a couple of gems for yourself, keep a couple of *snesible* spare parts, and give out the rest. |
| 04:05.20 | Peregrine | In fact, I need to do the same; I have a box of NICs that I know are probably bad, but I just haven't gotten around to testing them out. |
| 04:05.31 | tene | so can I give out the rest to you? |
| 04:05.45 | tene | http://tene.dyndns.org/~tene/pic/stuff/DSCF0088.JPG is about half of it |
| 04:06.01 | tene | although I'll probably only be able to convince myself to get rid of half |
| 04:08.58 | tene | okay, what about things like loose power switches, LEDs, cd audio cables, etc |
| 04:09.03 | tene | little tiny miscellenous stuff? |
| 04:09.54 | Peregrine | Man that's blurry. But I get the idea. Here's an idea, put up a quickie page that lists an inventory of the stuff that works that you are going to gid rid of. |
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| 04:11.13 | Peregrine | I always like to have a couple of the little-teny-misc-stuff around like those CD-ROM audio cables, cause it sometimes comes in handy. Just get a good box, like a bankers box or a lemon box and don't keep more than fits in one of those. |
| 04:11.27 | tene | I came up with a solution. I've got a bucket here. I'll keep one bucketfull. |
| 04:11.31 | tene | Yeah, like that |
| 04:12.29 | mheath | Or, like for me, that stuff proves of no use and you have piles of junk laying around :) |
| 04:12.51 | mheath | My dad used to keep all his misc. and old computer parts around |
| 04:13.02 | tene | that's what I'm getting rid of. |
| 04:13.10 | Peregrine | yeah, some of it turns into junk. Then there is the tote-bag full of UAC power cables; perfect for LAN parties. |
| 04:13.14 | tene | Just one bucketful can't hurt, can it? |
| 04:14.30 | Peregrine | Thanks, mheath. |
| 04:14.47 | mheath | Er |
| 04:14.50 | mheath | We installed the upgrade |
| 04:14.54 | mheath | This is the old stuff |
| 04:14.57 | mheath | 6 Mhz clock speed :) |
| 04:15.14 | tene | alright, what about things like parallel and serial port connectors? |
| 04:15.26 | mheath | Dead. |
| 04:15.26 | xbmodder_lappy | is it legal to harbor a runaway teenager? |
| 04:15.29 | mheath | No one uses those anymore. |
| 04:15.30 | tene | the plate, jack, and cable to connect to the motherboard? |
| 04:15.32 | mheath | xbmodder: no |
| 04:15.33 | Peregrine | get rid of them. |
| 04:15.36 | tene | thought so |
| 04:15.40 | xbmodder_lappy | that sucks |
| 04:15.42 | mheath | xbmodder: depends on the context, though. |
| 04:15.50 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, what do you mean? |
| 04:15.56 | tene | xbm: you don't know that they ran away. They were just staying the night. |
| 04:16.03 | tene | you have no idea. |
| 04:16.08 | mheath | IE, if your a close friend who's helping someone out because their dad's been sexually abusing them... |
| 04:16.15 | mheath | YOu're not likely to get into trouble. |
| 04:16.46 | mheath | But, if there's no real reason for them to be away from home, and you're harboring them when their parents really want them back..yeah, you could get in trouble. |
| 04:16.54 | xbmodder_lappy | well... i am helping them get off drugs.. and there parents from locking them in there room until they cry... does that count as ok? |
| 04:17.07 | xbmodder_lappy | gettin' them to go to rehab |
| 04:17.25 | mheath | xbmodder: That's illegal. |
| 04:17.33 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: probably not ok |
| 04:17.41 | mheath | Keeping him without the parents knowledge |
| 04:18.04 | xbmodder_lappy | *her |
| 04:18.19 | brailsmt | uhmm.. yes judge, I was keeping this kid from his parents because the lock him in hos romm until he cries |
| 04:18.25 | brailsmt | that won't fly |
| 04:18.26 | xbmodder_lappy | *she |
| 04:18.42 | xbmodder_lappy | err... |
| 04:18.48 | xbmodder_lappy | helping her go to rehab... |
| 04:18.57 | xbmodder_lappy | she is really scared of her parents |
| 04:18.58 | mheath | That's the parents decision. |
| 04:19.19 | tene | what about molex extenders/adapters? |
| 04:19.20 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: to proper channels in that case would be to speak with a school counselor/religious leader/police officer/etc... |
| 04:19.29 | xbmodder_lappy | i told her to tell her parents but she said that she'd drink if she did |
| 04:19.44 | xbmodder_lappy | she said if she comes here she would agree to go through rehab |
| 04:20.10 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: that is not likely to be smiled upon by the powers that be |
| 04:20.28 | brailsmt | the ends do not justify the means in this case... |
| 04:20.36 | xbmodder_lappy | brailsmt, any ideas where i can get advice on IRC... i don't trust the tele |
| 04:20.51 | mheath | xbmodder: you're paranoid. |
| 04:20.54 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: you don't trust the telephone, but you trust IRC?!? |
| 04:21.05 | xbmodder_lappy | no i don't want them tracking me |
| 04:21.14 | mheath | Talk to someone. A teacher you trust. A cop. Anyone. |
| 04:21.17 | tene | xbm: SkypeOut |
| 04:21.29 | brailsmt | what mheath said... |
| 04:21.31 | Peregrine | tene: depends on the type. For lengthening power cable inside the case, you can never find one to buy when you need one. |
| 04:21.31 | mheath | As long as you don't name any names, they'd be required to be confidential in an issue like that. |
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| 04:21.40 | xbmodder_lappy | well i need advice fast... |
| 04:21.48 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: you could always call a lawyer |
| 04:21.52 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, there are dozens of switchboards |
| 04:21.59 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: then call an abuse hotline |
| 04:22.00 | xbmodder_lappy | there are thousands of black boxes |
| 04:22.09 | xbmodder_lappy | each one logs the ANI |
| 04:22.12 | mheath | *sigh* You're too paranoid. |
| 04:22.21 | tene | *way* too paranoid |
| 04:22.23 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: and this channel is more than likely archived and searchable on the internet... |
| 04:22.39 | Maquis | ~logs |
| 04:22.40 | ibot | i guess logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl. |
| 04:22.40 | Peregrine | This channel *is* archived and searchable on the Internet. |
| 04:22.43 | mheath | xbmodder: no one's lauching a giant conspirary to thwart your efforts in asking for advice on how to help your friend. |
| 04:22.54 | xbmodder_lappy | i know that Bradipo |
| 04:22.57 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: how old are you? |
| 04:23.04 | xbmodder_lappy | 14 |
| 04:23.09 | tene | Peregrine: what about faceplates for drive bay openings? |
| 04:23.30 | xbmodder_lappy | my parents look at the phone bils |
| 04:23.42 | xbmodder_lappy | like any internet teen chat hotline |
| 04:23.55 | mheath | xbmodder: agh! Please, just go talk to someone |
| 04:23.55 | Peregrine | usually useless unless they fit. Means you have to have the right plates for the right case. Go through and try to fit them on any empty hoes you have on your cases and toss the rest. |
| 04:24.00 | mheath | To repeat what I just said: |
| 04:24.01 | mheath | xbmodder: no one's lauching a giant conspirary to thwart your efforts in asking for advice on how to help your friend. |
| 04:24.14 | tene | xbm: http://www.skype.com/products/skypeout/ |
| 04:24.28 | xbmodder_lappy | well my parents will be like why didja call a teen support hotline? |
| 04:25.25 | brailsmt | take from me, you are probably not right in thinking that you would be helping, things are probably not that bad, and you should get help through the right channels |
| 04:25.25 | brailsmt | whatever problems exist, will still exist tommorrow at school |
| 04:25.25 | brailsmt | and then you can talk with a counselor at school |
| 04:25.25 | brailsmt | but you should not be making decisions like this with out the advice and counsel of adults |
| 04:25.25 | brailsmt | and IRC does not count |
| 04:25.46 | mheath | xbmodder: and, under the laws of the state of Utah, you wouldn't have to answer them. |
| 04:25.57 | mheath | Those kind of things are confidential. |
| 04:26.00 | mheath | Legally confidental. |
| 04:26.08 | Peregrine | xbmodder: If you call some kind of abuse or support hotline, it becomes their problem, but you do not have to give out your name. In most states (CA included IIRC) they are not even allowed to have caller ID. Instead, if someone calls to threaten them, they have a button that sends the call to 911 or something like that. |
| 04:26.10 | brailsmt | and knowing teenage girls, this girl may well be embellishing the truth to get attention... |
| 04:26.19 | mheath | Or, you could always try *TELLING THE TRUTH* |
| 04:26.26 | mheath | "Oh, I was just looking for some advice on how to help a friend." |
| 04:26.36 | brailsmt | for example, her parents are probably not as tyranical as she makes them out o be |
| 04:27.22 | Peregrine | xbmodder: If you talk to a priest, he is required by LAW to keep everything confidential UNLESS you tell him you intend to commit a violent felony of some kind. |
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| 04:27.42 | Peregrine | looks like benford.freenode.net just went down. |
| 04:27.42 | xbmodder_lappy | i am gunna talk to a teacher |
| 04:27.42 | levi-laptop | Ow. Big split. |
| 04:28.18 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: that is the best way to handle it, your heart is in the right place, just don't do anything without seeking counsel from an adult you trust |
| 04:28.33 | xbmodder_lappy | uh... |
| 04:29.01 | mheath | xbmodder: and make sure your friend actually needs rehab, please. |
| 04:29.06 | xbmodder_lappy | well i asked her if she'd call a hotline to get a warrant she sadly said no :( |
| 04:29.25 | mheath | I know a lot of kids your age who's Mormon parents freak out when they see their kids smoking a bit of weed and send them to rehab... |
| 04:29.26 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, she is on pills, bulimic, and cuts herself.... |
| 04:29.51 | mheath | Ah. |
| 04:30.32 | xbmodder_lappy | call that rehab? |
| 04:30.42 | xbmodder_lappy | do you think so? |
| 04:30.52 | xbmodder_lappy | or can she quit on her own? |
| 04:30.58 | xbmodder_lappy | i don't think so... |
| 04:31.12 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: then get her help, but don't do it without consulting an adult you trust |
| 04:31.12 | brailsmt | and a school counselor fits the bill nicely |
| 04:31.22 | mheath | xbmodder: settle down. I wasn't aware of the situation and was just making a friendly suggestion. |
| 04:31.37 | brailsmt | and once you talk with the adult, let them take the matter in their own hands, you would have done the most important part at that time, that being raising the issue... |
| 04:31.38 | xbmodder_lappy | ok. |
| 04:31.47 | xbmodder_lappy | :( |
| 04:32.01 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: don't stress over other people's problems... |
| 04:32.05 | Maquis | let an adult handle them |
| 04:32.22 | Maquis | you're in junior high... you have enough problems of your own to deal with |
| 04:32.54 | mheath | Maquis: you always give such insightful advice :) |
| 04:33.01 | xbmodder_lappy | well... most of them are gettin' fixed... :) |
| 04:33.08 | xbmodder_lappy | i got rid of a few problems |
| 04:33.29 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: i just had to deal with a 14 year old that I know, that was into gay porn and was writing all sorts of disturbing things... my wife and I confronted his parents and ten graciously stepped aside... we don't have any more responsibility than that... it is the responsibility of his parents to take from there... |
| 04:33.37 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: i'm referring to "in general" |
| 04:33.58 | Maquis | junior high is not a time that you won't have to deal with problems |
| 04:34.09 | brailsmt | we will monitor things to make sure that he gets the help he needs, but we did our part... |
| 04:34.23 | xbmodder_lappy | brailsmt, what happens if she is too afraid of her parents... and i figured out that i have no way of contacting her... |
| 04:34.29 | brailsmt | you can't fix everyone's problems |
| 04:34.48 | xbmodder_lappy | well she lives in san digeo |
| 04:34.51 | xbmodder_lappy | diego |
| 04:34.58 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: i understand that, but it doesn't really change what you should do |
| 04:34.59 | xbmodder_lappy | i got no contact info.. |
| 04:34.59 | mheath | xbmodder: woah |
| 04:35.05 | mheath | That's really different. |
| 04:35.13 | xbmodder_lappy | only AIM.. and email.. |
| 04:35.18 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, what do you mean? |
| 04:35.20 | mheath | If she physically comes to your house, you/your parents could easily be charged with kidnapping. |
| 04:35.26 | xbmodder_lappy | i have met here once... |
| 04:35.29 | xbmodder_lappy | really? |
| 04:35.33 | brailsmt | yes |
| 04:35.34 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: yes |
| 04:35.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ok if she rents out a room somewhere is that legal? |
| 04:36.02 | Maquis | for her to run away? no |
| 04:36.18 | Maquis | she can get into trouble for that... and that won't make the problem any better |
| 04:36.18 | xbmodder_lappy | so run aways have no legal rights? |
| 04:36.19 | brailsmt | well, there are lots of grey areas here, but its best to play it safe... |
| 04:36.30 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: no, they don't. |
| 04:36.31 | brailsmt | talk to a responsible adult you trust before you do anything |
| 04:36.40 | mheath | It's not legal to leave your house without your parents permission. |
| 04:36.41 | Maquis | it's not that they don't have any rights |
| 04:36.57 | Maquis | it's that they forfeit certain rights by breaking the law and running away |
| 04:37.11 | brailsmt | well said :) |
| 04:37.14 | brailsmt | gotta go |
| 04:37.35 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: be smart, don't do anything without seeking advice first... |
| 04:37.45 | xbmodder_lappy | what do you think is better: |
| 04:38.00 | brailsmt | and that advice is best sought with a face to face meeting with an adult you trust |
| 04:38.07 | xbmodder_lappy | uhh... |
| 04:38.13 | xbmodder_lappy | i don't trust adults too much |
| 04:38.20 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: well, that's a problem |
| 04:38.25 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: that is a seperate issue |
| 04:38.27 | mheath | xbmodder: then your being silly |
| 04:38.31 | Maquis | adults are a lot better of people to trust than other teenagers |
| 04:38.33 | brailsmt | i am an adult |
| 04:38.46 | tene | "You're older and have more experience with these things, so I distrust you!" |
| 04:38.51 | tene | that's just ridiculous. |
| 04:38.53 | brailsmt | dod you suddenly trust me less? |
| 04:39.01 | brailsmt | anyway... |
| 04:39.05 | brailsmt | gotta go... |
| 04:39.11 | xbmodder_lappy | tene, last time i told an adult anything they ended up making things worse |
| 04:39.25 | brailsmt | perhaps this should be renamed #psychoanalysis |
| 04:39.30 | xbmodder_lappy | hahaha |
| 04:39.37 | tene | ... ... ... that's that particular person. has nothing to do with their age. |
| 04:39.42 | xbmodder_lappy | well... any idea how to contact her... |
| 04:39.45 | tene | it's silly to generalize like that |
| 04:39.52 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: i'd say don't try to contact her... |
| 04:39.54 | brailsmt | it also has to do with your perception... |
| 04:40.05 | brailsmt | and teenagers perceptions are notoriously skewed |
| 04:40.09 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, i mean for the 'adult' to contact her... |
| 04:40.14 | xbmodder_lappy | how am i gunna find out... |
| 04:40.25 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: maybe you should ask the adult |
| 04:40.32 | xbmodder_lappy | you are an adult |
| 04:40.34 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: what makes you responsible for this person? |
| 04:40.48 | mheath | So *Cough* I should have a website overviewing my distro soon at http://revolution.datamachine.net/ |
| 04:40.52 | xbmodder_lappy | brailsmt, nothing, except i care about them. |
| 04:40.56 | brailsmt | the fact that you chat with her online? |
| 04:41.02 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: yes, but i don't feel qualified to give advice other than telling you to talk to a school counselor |
| 04:41.18 | Maquis | anyway, i have stuff to do |
| 04:41.19 | xbmodder_lappy | brailsmt, i have met her before |
| 04:41.24 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: people can be completely different people online |
| 04:41.25 | xbmodder_lappy | a few times... |
| 04:41.31 | xbmodder_lappy | brailsmt, i have met her before <<<<<<<, |
| 04:41.49 | Peregrine | My wife's parents have a sign hanging in their house that reads "Teanagers: act now while you still know everything; get a job and move out!" It's a joke but it helped remind their kids growing up that there is a lot about life that teenagers just can not understand simply because they have not experienced it yet, not because adults think they are stupid. |
| 04:41.53 | xbmodder_lappy | does that mean that people can be different in reality than they really are |
| 04:42.24 | goozbach | no really, it's true |
| 04:42.29 | goozbach | I know it's hard to believe |
| 04:42.42 | brailsmt | online chat tends to relax certain inhibitions in people, we tend to be different people online than in real life... |
| 04:42.47 | xbmodder_lappy | adults don't know how hard it is to be a teenager all the time... |
| 04:42.59 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: i was a teenager once... |
| 04:43.03 | xbmodder_lappy | brailsmt, I HAVE MET HER!!!! |
| 04:43.04 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: adults have been a teenager |
| 04:43.12 | xbmodder_lappy | OMFG! GET IT! |
| 04:43.13 | tene | xbm: once? twice? |
| 04:43.17 | brailsmt | i know exaclty how hard it is to be a teenager all the time... |
| 04:43.17 | xbmodder_lappy | twice... |
| 04:43.22 | tene | xbm: if you want help, don't be hostile like that. |
| 04:43.30 | xbmodder_lappy | tene, sorry... |
| 04:43.33 | tene | if you already know better than us, don't bother asking us for help. |
| 04:43.36 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: get it through your head... we've been trying to help you |
| 04:43.38 | brailsmt | and I know how hard it is to be a teenager for all 6 teenage years... |
| 04:43.52 | brailsmt | not just 2 of the 6 |
| 04:43.55 | xbmodder_lappy | i just don't want to be responsible for her to be abused by her parents... |
| 04:44.06 | mheath | xbmodder: your not. |
| 04:44.08 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: you aren't |
| 04:44.10 | xbmodder_lappy | brailsmt, most parents forget... |
| 04:44.25 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: no, teenagers just think we forget |
| 04:44.34 | xbmodder_lappy | she says if her parents find out they'll get pissed... |
| 04:44.44 | xbmodder_lappy | brailsmt, you act like you forget |
| 04:44.49 | xbmodder_lappy | your great actors |
| 04:45.01 | tene | xbm: no he doesn't |
| 04:45.11 | levi-laptop | It's not acting like they forget, it's getting a different perspective. |
| 04:45.13 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: no, I act like someone that has been in a situation like this |
| 04:45.16 | tene | xbm: he's acting like he knows what it's like, but has learned more in the intervening time. |
| 04:45.40 | brailsmt | and lived through it, and seen that it isn't the end of the world... |
| 04:46.31 | mheath | xbmodder_lappy: Just curious, how did you find out she's bolimic? |
| 04:46.44 | mheath | That's not something girls would usually discuss openly with some guy on the internet. |
| 04:46.59 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, don't ask... |
| 04:47.06 | xbmodder_lappy | she trusts me... i trust her... |
| 04:47.44 | levi-laptop | You meet screwed-up people on the internet. |
| 04:47.54 | xbmodder_lappy | not on the internet |
| 04:48.02 | xbmodder_lappy | i have met her in real life... |
| 04:48.15 | levi-laptop | Yeah, but that's not where you first met her. |
| 04:48.32 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah it is... |
| 04:48.42 | emcnabb | http://www.unc.edu/depts/jomc/academics/dri/idog.jpg |
| 04:48.52 | xbmodder_lappy | i met her first in real life... she talked to me... |
| 04:49.01 | levi-laptop | Well, you meet screwed-up people in real life, too. |
| 04:49.18 | xbmodder_lappy | levi-laptop, thats not very nice |
| 04:49.50 | levi-laptop | But it's true. |
| 04:50.04 | xbmodder_lappy | levi-laptop, don't insult my friends |
| 04:50.12 | xbmodder_lappy | please... |
| 04:50.16 | levi-laptop | It's not an insult, it's an observation. |
| 04:50.19 | tene | ... ... ... how is that an insult? |
| 04:50.27 | tene | because it's not a compliment? |
| 04:50.33 | tene | Are you saying that she's not? |
| 04:50.40 | xbmodder_lappy | he/she is calling my friends 'screwed-up' |
| 04:50.54 | xbmodder_lappy | im saying she might be a little unstable... |
| 04:51.16 | Peregrine | xbmodder: Listen...I had a girlfriend when I was a teenager who kept telling me that she didn't think she could live if I broke up with her. She said she thought she would commit suicide if that happened. We eventually broke up and she did not commit suicide. I'm sure every one of the adults here, or that u know have had experiences that give them insight into somthing like this, but none of them are me. My perception is unique, colored by my perspect |
| 04:51.17 | Peregrine | ive and experience. You have to understand that *nobody* you know has never had pain in their life. |
| 04:51.18 | tene | and it's true. That's like being offended because you have a cold and someone says that you're sick. |
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| 04:52.42 | emcnabb | good for findlay |
| 04:52.48 | brailsmt | xbmodder_lappy: to make a long story short, don't lose sleep over this, you are not responsible for anything that might happen, but you should talk to a counselor about ways you can help |
| 04:52.57 | xbmodder_lappy | well i have got her to stop taking pills, and stop purging... tommorow talk to a consler |
| 04:53.00 | xbmodder_lappy | counseler |
| 04:53.12 | brailsmt | and that is the best thing you can do |
| 04:53.32 | brailsmt | and relax knowing that you are doing the right thing by seeking help for her |
| 04:53.54 | brailsmt | you should feel good for that, not bad at what might happen... after all it hasn't happened yet... |
| 04:54.16 | tene | hmm... keep serial cables or get rid of 'em? |
| 04:54.23 | brailsmt | send me on |
| 04:54.24 | brailsmt | one |
| 04:54.59 | Peregrine | depends on the cables and your hobbies. I've used them for Ham radio and robits stuff sometimes. |
| 04:55.27 | Peregrine | s/robits/robots/ |
| 04:55.33 | tene | hmm... |
| 04:56.24 | tene | maybe I'll keep... one of each type. |
| 04:56.27 | tene | that should be safe. |
| 04:57.30 | brailsmt | i couold use one for work |
| 04:58.00 | tene | if you were in Utah, I'd give you a whole box full. |
| 04:58.08 | brailsmt | dang... |
| 04:58.18 | xbmodder_lappy | really? |
| 04:58.25 | tene | yeah |
| 04:58.28 | brailsmt | just regular serial cables, or null modem cables? |
| 04:58.31 | tene | both |
| 04:58.47 | Peregrine | I could use two null modem cables. |
| 04:59.00 | Peregrine | I never can find one when I needit. |
| 05:02.19 | brailsmt | Maquis: it is an antiquated piece of wire that is used to log into servers that don't have a monitor/keyboard |
| 05:02.24 | brailsmt | and don't have ssh running... |
| 05:02.33 | Maquis | brailsmt: oh.. thanks |
| 05:02.52 | Maquis | wow... you almost got the wikipedia opening paragraph word-for-word... |
| 05:02.54 | brailsmt | you plug it into your serial port, and then into the serial port of he server, and then log in |
| 05:03.02 | brailsmt | really? |
| 05:03.14 | Maquis | well, at least you mentioned everything that they mention |
| 05:03.29 | Maquis | wikipedia: A null modem is a device that allows one to connect two computers together, typically with only a serial port. No networking hardware such as a NIC or a modem are required for this. |
| 05:03.32 | brailsmt | i never saw one until I got into a big data center... |
| 05:03.35 | Maquis | pretty close... :) |
| 05:04.02 | Peregrine | Maquis: When you use a standard serial cable to connect a device to a computer, that cable connects a transmit wire in the PC to the receive wire in the device and vice-versa. A null modem cable crosses those wires so that two computers (or terminals or other thingy which has the pins like the computer) are not connecting their T-T and R-R. |
| 05:04.05 | brailsmt | old unix boxen rely on serial cables |
| 05:04.41 | Peregrine | hmm. Guess I wasn't typing fast enough. |
| 05:04.47 | Maquis | Peregrine: so, they're each receiving everything that the other transmits? |
| 05:05.11 | brailsmt | typically the serial connections are routed to a terminal server (like an Arula) and the terminal server is accessed via a lan |
| 05:05.18 | Maquis | hey... that's like what the picture here shows! |
| 05:05.40 | Maquis | terminal server being? |
| 05:05.42 | brailsmt | they are good for disaster recovery |
| 05:05.47 | Peregrine | If you tried to use a "normal" serial cable to connect two computers; you would have both connecting the T-T and the R-R (T=transmit wire, R=receive wire). |
| 05:05.55 | brailsmt | Maquis: server that serves up terminals... |
| 05:05.56 | brailsmt | :) |
| 05:06.02 | brailsmt | literally |
| 05:06.02 | Maquis | brailsmt: wow... |
| 05:06.06 | Peregrine | So the null modem cable "crosses" them so that they are T-R & R-T |
| 05:06.26 | Maquis | so, it provides shell access to a lot of users? |
| 05:06.46 | brailsmt | you connect to the terminal server and the terminal server will basically connect you with /dev/ttyS0 on the remote server |
| 05:07.21 | Maquis | ttyS0? that's what byronc was talking about connecting to when testing a kernel that you're working with |
| 05:07.23 | Newsome | Maquis: no, it's for out-of-band control of the machine |
| 05:07.28 | brailsmt | Maquis: no, it basically lets you plug in your null modem cable from a single spot, rather than visiting each machine in turn... |
| 05:07.34 | Maquis | Newsome: out-of-band control? |
| 05:08.01 | brailsmt | but it doesit over cat5 cable... |
| 05:08.05 | Maquis | brailsmt: i'm not completely certain i understand what you're saying |
| 05:08.11 | Newsome | Maquis: in-band would be using a network to connect |
| 05:08.19 | Newsome | out-of-band uses another way in |
| 05:08.30 | Maquis | ok... |
| 05:08.48 | Maquis | so in-band would be ssh? and out-of-band would be this null-modem? |
| 05:08.53 | brailsmt | (server1,2,3,4...N) --> (terminal server) --> (intranet) --> your desktop |
| 05:09.22 | brailsmt | from your desktop you can then connect to the serial null modem on server1,2,3,4...N trhough the terminal server |
| 05:09.56 | brailsmt | pretty simple, really... |
| 05:10.15 | Maquis | brailsmt: are all the servers connected to the terminal server with a null modem connection |
| 05:10.16 | brailsmt | of course the terminal server has to provide a way for you to specify which server you want to connect to... |
| 05:10.56 | brailsmt | Maquis: yes (well there is an adapter that converts from 9-pin serial connection to cat5 cable that cat5 cable is then run to the terminal server) |
| 05:11.08 | Maquis | brailsmt: ok... |
| 05:11.25 | Maquis | and so, do you ssh into the terminal server and select a server that you want to use? |
| 05:12.26 | Maquis | ok... i have to switch kernels again... but i'll be back in one moment |
| 05:12.36 | brailsmt | yeah, somehting like that... |
| 05:12.51 | brailsmt | though not necesarily ssh |
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| 05:14.46 | Maquis | ok... sorry |
| 05:14.48 | Maquis | i'm back now |
| 05:15.06 | brailsmt | wb |
| 05:15.35 | Peregrine | wb, Maquis. |
| 05:25.09 | Maquis | :) |
| 05:28.41 | findlay | ha Maquis left again |
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| 05:37.30 | Maquis | |lart alsa for being stupid and not working!!! |
| 05:37.45 | HarleyPig | I'm getting a 'Filesystem is NOT clean' message (it's a reiserfs hard drive) and it also says it can't remount the drive read only. I can't do it manually either. Any suggestions? |
| 05:38.01 | Peregrine | What partition is it? |
| 05:38.08 | jsmith | Maquis: Did you check to make sure it's not muted? |
| 05:38.15 | HarleyPig | hda2 |
| 05:38.19 | Maquis | jsmith: yup |
| 05:38.30 | Peregrine | no, I mean where is it mounted. |
| 05:38.33 | Peregrine | sorry. |
| 05:38.38 | Maquis | and it's loading the modules fine... |
| 05:38.49 | Maquis | and the speakers work fine... |
| 05:38.56 | HarleyPig | oh. / |
| 05:39.00 | HarleyPig | it's mounted at / |
| 05:39.07 | jsmith | Maquis: Hmmmn... did you look in alsamix? |
| 05:39.44 | findlay | HarleyPig: I might have a few, but that really depends on how much you value the data in the filesystem (-: |
| 05:40.01 | Maquis | jsmith: alsamixer? |
| 05:40.10 | jsmith | Maquis: Yeah, that's it. |
| 05:40.16 | Maquis | jsmith: yup |
| 05:40.25 | HarleyPig | Other than I need to get this system up and going soon, I don't care. |
| 05:40.51 | Peregrine | ok. Try this: 1. as root [init 1]; 2. When you get a command prompt (or login depending on your distro), umount everything except /; 3. Run [mount -o remount,ro /]; 4. Now run your fsck. |
| 05:40.52 | jsmith | Maquis: That's 99% of what I know about alsa -- is that it defaults to being both muted and having the volume on all the important channels all the way down. |
| 05:41.04 | Maquis | jsmith: yeah... |
| 05:41.09 | Peregrine | Suggestion 2, use your distro's rescue mode so the thing isn't mounted at all. |
| 05:41.15 | Maquis | i've gone through the gentoo "setting up alsa" docs a couple of times... |
| 05:41.20 | Maquis | and i don't think i'm missing anything |
| 05:41.56 | Maquis | HarleyPig: you tried doing it from knoppix? |
| 05:41.57 | Peregrine | HarleyPig: Which distro is it? |
| 05:42.30 | vontrapp | ooh, alsamixer is different |
| 05:42.57 | HarleyPig | Nothing else is mounted yet and I get 'mount: / is busy' when trying to remount. |
| 05:43.54 | HarleyPig | Peregrine: gentoo |
| 05:44.10 | HarleyPig | Maquis: I'm rebooting into the gentoo livecd now, see what I can do from there. |
| 05:44.19 | Peregrine | something is running and has open files, open file locks or something is mounted on a partition there. Even /proc being mounted will prevent you from remounting / ro. |
| 05:44.52 | Peregrine | use the gentoo boot cd (that you used for installation) when the environment is up do not mount any of the hard drive partitions and then do the fsck against /dev/hda2 |
| 05:44.57 | HarleyPig | Peregrine: Ok, so the livecd should allow me to do a fsck. |
| 05:45.32 | HarleyPig | yeah, exactly. |
| 05:45.45 | Peregrine | yeah. I've used them for that before. The Gentoo livecds are the best general recovery CDs I have used. |
| 05:46.03 | Peregrine | ?? exactly ?? |
| 05:46.58 | HarleyPig | wrong window |
| 05:47.49 | Peregrine | oh. |
| 05:47.51 | Peregrine | :) |
| 05:48.04 | Maquis | bedtime already? |
| 05:48.19 | Peregrine | well, I hate to start being helpful and run before it's fixed, but I need some sleep. |
| 05:48.31 | Peregrine | gluck HarleyPig, Maquis. |
| 05:48.40 | Maquis | thanks Peregrine |
| 05:49.06 | HarleyPig | sleep? |
| 05:49.15 | Maquis | HarleyPig: same problem as you |
| 05:49.24 | Maquis | only it was the right window |
| 05:49.27 | Maquis | the wrong thing up in screen |
| 05:49.40 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 05:56.13 | vontrapp | HarleyPig: do you have the 'ro' option on the kernel bootup? |
| 05:56.24 | vontrapp | e.g. in your grub kernel line |
| 05:56.55 | HarleyPig | vontrapp: checking |
| 05:57.28 | vontrapp | and do you have a boot partition? |
| 05:58.05 | vontrapp | i guess maybe that doesn't matter so much, the boot partition thing |
| 05:58.45 | HarleyPig | Yeah, I have a boot partition on hda1. I have to reboot with the livecd to access it. |
| 05:59.51 | tene | so, does anyone in Utah actually want a box of serial cables? |
| 06:00.00 | vontrapp | not i |
| 06:00.04 | HarleyPig | nope |
| 06:00.24 | tene | so only the out-of-utah people expressed interest. |
| 06:00.29 | tene | *shrug* |
| 06:00.42 | tene | more for DI, then. |
| 06:00.56 | levi-laptop | Sorry, I have no need for serial cables. |
| 06:01.14 | vontrapp | sometimes you'll have a ro kernel option that will mount the root filesystem read only until after everything checks out, then it's remounted rw |
| 06:01.20 | HarleyPig | vontrapp: There is no ro in the grub.conf file ... but I followed the gentoo docs correctly ... double checking. |
| 06:02.06 | vontrapp | try appending ro to the kernel line on boot |
| 06:02.18 | Peregrine | HarleyPig, you do not *have* to reboot to be able to mount your boot partition. It's just that gentoo doesn't set things up so it will mount automatically when you boot your system. They call it a "security feature" (but it really isn't). |
| 06:03.14 | Maquis | HarleyPig: can't you mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/boot ? |
| 06:03.19 | HarleyPig | I know ... I was in maintenance mode and mount /dev/hda1 /tmp or anything else was failing. |
| 06:04.27 | HarleyPig | I'm new to grub, the kernel line doesn't look familiar. |
| 06:05.00 | tene | what's the problem anyway, Maquis? |
| 06:05.01 | Maquis | HarleyPig: what do you have for your grub kernel line? |
| 06:05.04 | HarleyPig | Maquis: Yeah ... you'll realize what it is you need to do when you can't write it down. :> |
| 06:05.14 | vontrapp | when you get to the grub screen, press e, choose the kernel line, press e again, then put 'ro' on the end |
| 06:05.15 | Maquis | tene: it won't play anything |
| 06:05.20 | vontrapp | then press 'b' to boot it |
| 06:05.26 | tene | Also, Maquis, if you put the probelmatic stuff into modules, you can avoid a lot of reboots. |
| 06:05.44 | Maquis | tene: yeah... i switched the alsa stuff all to modules.. |
| 06:05.55 | Peregrine | vontrapp: only press b after pressing enter after adding your changes to the kernel command line. |
| 06:05.56 | Maquis | but i had to reboot to add module unloading to my kernel |
| 06:06.03 | tene | kk |
| 06:06.06 | vontrapp | oh, right, |
| 06:06.14 | HarleyPig | kernel /kernel-image root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk=8192 real_root=/dev/hda2 vga=0x317 splash=verbose |
| 06:06.15 | vontrapp | or it will just put a b on the end :) |
| 06:06.18 | Peregrine | :) devil's details. |
| 06:06.43 | Maquis | HarleyPig: wow... that's a lot more verbose than mine... |
| 06:06.57 | vontrapp | it's all that initrd stuff |
| 06:07.14 | Maquis | ~initrd |
| 06:07.15 | ibot | well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. |
| 06:07.15 | vontrapp | (that makes it so verbose) |
| 06:07.19 | HarleyPig | Yeah, I just did the genkernel ... we'll be swapping hardware in an out a lot. |
| 06:07.38 | HarleyPig | yeah, it's there. |
| 06:07.51 | Maquis | HarleyPig: ah... |
| 06:07.56 | Maquis | you didn't roll your own kernel??? |
| 06:08.30 | HarleyPig | Maquis: :] No, we'll be swapping hardware in and out of the machine a lot. |
| 06:08.36 | HarleyPig | genkernel seemed the best solution. |
| 06:08.49 | Maquis | i'm just picking on you :) |
| 06:10.26 | HarleyPig | :] |
| 06:10.36 | Peregrine | gnight. |
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| 06:13.04 | vontrapp | HarleyPig: anyways, i don't know if gentoo will do this with the ro option, but the systems i've used, if fsck fails and needs to be run manually, / will remain ro and so you'll be ready to go in maintenence mode without a remount |
| 06:14.14 | HarleyPig | Somehow /dev/hda2 is being mount rw and I can't remount it. |
| 06:18.21 | tene | Ooo... laptop floppy drive with some funky proprietary connector |
| 06:21.12 | tene | well, nonstandard at least |
| 06:21.17 | HarleyPig | Sounds like fun time will be had by all! |
| 06:21.35 | tene | also battery and memory for some type of laptop |
| 06:23.45 | tene | win98 oem |
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| 06:26.22 | levi-laptop | If you have a working Sony C1VN battery... |
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| 06:27.49 | tene | there's no manufact. or model label on it at all |
| 06:28.21 | tene | it says that it's an 8.4V 4200mAH NiMH battery, thoguh |
| 06:28.23 | tene | though, even |
| 06:28.55 | levi-laptop | My battery is a long purple cylinder. |
| 06:29.18 | xbmodder | ? |
| 06:29.41 | xbmodder | pray for me please |
| 06:30.10 | tene | I will. |
| 06:30.19 | tene | nah, this thing's gray and boxy. |
| 06:30.21 | tene | not even close |
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| 06:34.08 | vontrapp | xbmodder: things not looking too good? |
| 06:34.11 | tene | |lart brigham |
| 06:34.52 | brailsmt | thats nasty... |
| 06:35.16 | vontrapp | that would hurt |
| 06:36.12 | vontrapp | what does ld stand for anyway? load dynamic, or just load |
| 06:36.31 | vontrapp | or something else entirely? |
| 06:36.55 | brailsmt | sort /usr/bin/ld <-- that'd hurt too... |
| 06:36.59 | findlay | I think it means lamer device or something |
| 06:37.08 | brailsmt | well... |
| 06:37.12 | findlay | ~ld |
| 06:37.13 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ld is cannot find _start problems ? apt-get --reinstall install libc6-dev |
| 06:37.36 | tene | brailsmt: indent /usr/bin/ld |
| 06:38.05 | brailsmt | tr \000 a /usr/bin/ld |
| 06:38.18 | vontrapp | hehe |
| 06:39.06 | brailsmt | echo "echo HaHaHa" > /usr/bin/ld |
| 06:39.24 | vontrapp | but would echo even work then ? |
| 06:40.03 | brailsmt | yeah, whatever is already linked should keep working... |
| 06:40.12 | brailsmt | if i understand ld correctly... |
| 06:40.44 | vontrapp | hmm, i guess so, until you rebooted because your computer was laughing at you... |
| 06:41.13 | vontrapp | everytime you tried to load gimp |
| 06:41.32 | levi-laptop | If you wipe out ld.so, then you'll have problems. |
| 06:42.19 | brailsmt | i kinda like the tr method of destroying ld |
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| 06:52.05 | tene | this looks like a parallel <-> scsi cable |
| 06:54.51 | levi-laptop | Maybe it's a converter from one type of scsi to another. |
| 06:55.04 | levi-laptop | Old SCSI looked kind of like parallel. |
| 06:55.25 | tene | hmm... |
| 06:55.30 | jsmith | Maybe it's one of those parallel-port-to-SCSI-scanner cables. |
| 06:55.56 | jsmith | A lot of cheap scanners did that, before USB became popular. |
| 06:56.23 | tene | also a thin scsi <-> wide scsi cable |
| 06:56.43 | levi-laptop | I think my old scanner came with a SCSI card. An exceedingly lame one that only worked with the scanner. |
| 06:56.45 | tene | also a big box full of all sorts of parallel and centronics combinations |
| 06:57.12 | levi-laptop | tene: How do you end up with all this stuff? |
| 06:57.33 | tene | My father's business died a few years back |
| 06:57.43 | tene | it was a computer retail/repair place |
| 06:58.06 | tene | if you want any of it, you can have it. |
| 06:58.15 | tene | Provided you live in convenient distance |
| 06:58.49 | levi-laptop | Where do you live? |
| 06:58.57 | tene | SLC Suburbs |
| 06:59.05 | levi-laptop | Ah. I'm in Sandy. |
| 06:59.09 | tene | I'm out in Provo/Orem every once in a while |
| 06:59.12 | levi-laptop | Well, when I'm at home, I am. |
| 06:59.29 | levi-laptop | I'm in Sonoma, CA at the moment. |
| 06:59.32 | tene | ahh |
| 06:59.39 | tene | I'm in Taylorsville, specifically. |
| 06:59.55 | tene | grr... too many IDE and floppy cables... |
| 07:00.48 | levi-laptop | Do you have anything useful, like hard drives or RAM sticks? |
| 07:01.05 | levi-laptop | Motherboards/CPUs? |
| 07:01.51 | tene | motherboards |
| 07:02.03 | tene | and a couple of cpus |
| 07:02.14 | tene | a PIII 500something, I think |
| 07:02.24 | tene | and a couple that are lower than that |
| 07:02.40 | levi-laptop | Hmm. I've got a PIII 450. |
| 07:03.16 | levi-laptop | I think its hard drive is sick. |
| 07:03.35 | levi-laptop | Makes odd clunking noises occasionally. |
| 07:05.03 | tene | I've got some tiny hard drives, too |
| 07:05.08 | tene | which probably aren't useful to you |
| 07:06.07 | levi-laptop | How tiny? |
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| 07:07.23 | xbmodder-treo | hey |
| 07:07.33 | xbmodder-treo | ok I did two things |
| 07:07.34 | levi-laptop | Hey. |
| 07:07.44 | tene | less than 10GB |
| 07:08.23 | xbmodder-treo | told her get rehab contact and adult and/or tell me if she has any reason to be afraid of home... |
| 07:08.37 | xbmodder-treo | she prolly hates me now.... |
| 07:09.21 | xbmodder-treo | sooo.. what you guys talking about |
| 07:10.00 | levi-laptop | The old computer junk tene has. |
| 07:10.05 | xbmodder-treo | did everyone run away |
| 07:10.20 | xbmodder-treo | cool, not really. |
| 07:10.41 | xbmodder-treo | tene, ya got anything useful? |
| 07:10.57 | tene | depends on your definition of useful |
| 07:11.18 | xbmodder-treo | tene haha |
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| 07:11.48 | xbmodder-treo | well tene go make a super computer |
| 07:11.57 | tene | I'm actually trying to get rid of most of it |
| 07:12.15 | tene | I have Way Too Much Stuff |
| 07:13.10 | xbmodder-treo | make a super computer... lease the power.... I would pay a good 5 bucks for a password cracker.... |
| 07:13.20 | tene | ... |
| 07:13.38 | levi-laptop | Heh. |
| 07:22.29 | levi-laptop | Ooh, old code from my CS classes. |
| 07:22.40 | tene | hmm... |
| 07:22.54 | tene | little heatsinkfans. keep or give away? |
| 07:28.02 | levi-laptop | I have no idea what these programs are doing anymore. Alas. |
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| 15:24.24 | hans | ~dropkick qwest |
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| 16:06.16 | elg | ~dropkick qwest |
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| 16:06.49 | elg | anyone have a recipe for listing processes in descending order of how much memory they are using |
| 16:07.43 | elg | (along with how much they're using) |
| 16:08.37 | xbmodder | ? |
| 16:08.46 | elg | ! |
| 16:10.52 | xbmodder | ps has this built it... |
| 16:10.54 | xbmodder | in |
| 16:11.28 | elg | sure, but you have to know what mantra to chant |
| 16:11.33 | elg | which is what I'm asking for. the recipe |
| 16:11.44 | xbmodder | sure\ |
| 16:11.58 | elg | in the meantime I will wade through the manpage |
| 16:12.11 | elg | but what is irc good for if not instant gratification? |
| 16:13.15 | goozbach | elg: I'd tell you but I don't want to wade through the man page |
| 16:13.15 | orbit | run top, press 'M' |
| 16:13.35 | orbit | but that will only give you to top N processes. |
| 16:13.37 | elg | orbit: that's as good as my screen is tall, but thanks. |
| 16:14.27 | Maquis | spr: you around? |
| 16:14.52 | Maquis | nm |
| 16:16.47 | orbit | Ascending order: ps -eo size,args --sort size |
| 16:16.57 | orbit | Ascending order: ps -eo size,pid,args --sort size |
| 16:17.54 | orbit | Descending order: ps -eo size,pid,args --sort -size |
| 16:18.07 | orbit | (note the - in front of 'size') |
| 16:20.28 | elg | thanks |
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| 16:31.13 | xbmodder | i might be insane, but only a little |
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| 16:32.49 | goozbach | emcnabb: you sleep at the office last night? |
| 16:33.01 | elg | anyone else having qwest issues? |
| 16:40.28 | Maquis | emcnabb: i hope you went home for a bit!!! |
| 16:44.17 | jakea | I've had quest issues all my life |
| 16:44.24 | jakea | er, qwest |
| 16:44.39 | jakea | when I move out of BYU houseing, I'm just keeping my cell as my main phone |
| 16:44.57 | jakea | like people would in Star Trek :) |
| 16:48.57 | JoshH | i wish life was like star trek |
| 16:49.07 | JoshH | give me a replicator and a holodeck, and i would be set |
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| 16:50.54 | levi-treo | Good morning. |
| 16:51.48 | elg | ~backflip |
| 17:06.40 | Lars-UT | I'm not convinced a holodeck is such a good idea, but maybe that's more a reflection of my (lack of) personal integrity. |
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| 17:12.33 | elg | o/~ 99 luftballoons |
| 17:15.10 | levi-treo | Why are there no flamewars going on today, or some other form of drama? |
| 17:15.27 | elg | because the perlites have seceded the throne to ruby |
| 17:15.39 | levi-treo | I need my entertainment. |
| 17:16.40 | elg | yeah, right. everyone starts a flamewar |
| 17:16.44 | levi-treo | I was reading some old Python code I wrote a long time ago last night. It was refreshing to look at. |
| 17:17.11 | elg | refreshing to see how far you've come, or that you weren't an idiot back then? |
| 17:18.25 | levi-treo | Refreshing that it looked nice. Very unlike old perl code. |
| 17:18.51 | elg | (not that you're an idiot now - if you were you wouldn't be able to recongize that you weren't an idiot then) |
| 17:19.02 | levi-treo | I never wrote any ruby code, so I can't say how it would compare. |
| 17:19.20 | elg | probably similar |
| 17:19.59 | levi-treo | Probably. |
| 17:22.06 | levi-treo | I like not having to see curly braces when I read Python, though. |
| 17:24.15 | levi-treo | Python is refreshingly low-syntax. |
| 17:27.30 | levi-treo | Man, what's up with people today? Do I need to break out Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance? Liberal politics? ;) |
| 17:27.41 | Jayce^ | sorry, busy day :) |
| 17:29.52 | jakea | levi-treo: If you want to start flame wars, you need to say words like "Wal-mart" or "Micheal Moore" on the lists |
| 17:30.08 | jakea | or talk about religion |
| 17:30.21 | levi-treo | It's not my favorite, but I found it pleasant to work with and come back to later without investing a whole lot of leanting time. |
| 17:30.23 | jakea | see?!? |
| 17:30.27 | Jayce^ | man, I gotta stop peeking on this desktop, no time to talk.. |
| 17:30.52 | levi-treo | I have nothing to say about Moore. |
| 17:30.58 | jakea | you must have moore set up to beep |
| 17:31.18 | jakea | you just have to say his name, the rest will take care of itself |
| 17:32.20 | levi-treo | I'd rather talk about prog. langs. |
| 17:32.21 | jakea | post to the list saying "Man, that 9-11 movie is great" or "Shopping at Wal Mart is great" or "I went shopping at Wall Mart and bought 9-11" |
| 17:33.05 | jakea | ah, then say: Jayce^ really programs all his web sites in PHP |
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| 17:35.44 | elg | is it lunch time? |
| 17:35.55 | Jayce^ | jakea, if you show up tonight... you're getting the larting of a lifetime :) |
| 17:36.19 | jakea | he he |
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| 18:05.53 | Lars-UT | Maybe this will start a flame war: I'm inviting anybody in this channel to a HALO2 part this Friday. Bring an Xbox, a copy of HALO2, or some money for food. http://halo2.egavas.org/ |
| 18:07.04 | scott_ | anyone happen to have a clue how to do sample variance or standard deviation in excel? |
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| 18:38.50 | findlay | Lars-UT: wish I could come (: |
| 18:39.10 | levi_ | Well, it's time for me to pack up and head back to the airport. |
| 18:39.44 | fungus | http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/cps/58484837.html |
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| 18:40.32 | Jayce^ | fungus, new line of work 'eh? |
| 18:41.15 | fungus | lol, that might be a good idea. :) |
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| 18:44.38 | findlay | ~lart fungus |
| 18:44.43 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
| 18:44.49 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 18:44.58 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 18:45.03 | SpecialK | ~laugh Maquis |
| 18:45.07 | ibot | ibot laughs hysterically at Maquis...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 18:47.46 | elg | just in case there was ever any question about this, a super-complicated backup/restore system isn't worh a hill of beans. |
| 18:48.42 | Maquis | ~lart SpecialK |
| 18:48.56 | Maquis | elg: yeah... i can imagine |
| 18:49.25 | elg | it's seeming now that this backup that looked perfectly fine from the logs, hasn't really been backing up since june |
| 18:50.05 | fungus | eek, that is what monthly tests are for. |
| 18:52.12 | alphahawk | Anyone out there know of a way to print word and excel documents from a command line in linux without use xwindows or OOo if possible? |
| 18:52.59 | byronc | alphahawk: you may want to take a look at wvPS |
| 18:53.26 | elg | fungus: yeah, I guess I'm learning my lesson that part. :) but I _did_ watch the logs |
| 18:53.38 | elg | and so help me they told me everything was fine |
| 18:54.29 | fungus | Yes, but logs usually won't tell you when your tapes go bad, or that someone has never changed the tape, etc. |
| 18:54.57 | fungus | I learned that part the hard way already. |
| 18:55.19 | elg | well it's a library, and the tapes are reused, cycled, data shuffled around to optimize storage space, etc. |
| 18:55.40 | elg | plus everything is in two places |
| 18:55.51 | elg | (offsite copy) |
| 18:56.15 | elg | it's just this one facet, a special "domino" plugin for tivoli, that has been lying to me |
| 18:56.45 | fungus | Awesome idea. But in my experience the more complicated your backup process the less likely you will follow it. |
| 18:57.09 | elg | right. well I don't have much to follow, the computer does it all |
| 18:57.23 | elg | I just make sure there are tapes available and bring in the tapes it tells me to from offsite |
| 18:57.33 | fungus | Is this a custom job, or can you tell us where to find it? |
| 18:57.42 | elg | IBM Tivoli |
| 18:57.58 | elg | it's nice, if a bit overcomplicated. Overall it works great |
| 18:58.07 | elg | just this crazy domino module I have never grokked fully |
| 18:58.29 | elg | and today some accountant deleted her inbox. |
| 18:58.40 | elg | at least I learn this with someone's mistake rather than a server crash |
| 18:58.51 | fungus | eek, notes admin. I am sorry. |
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| 18:59.49 | elg | :) |
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| 19:07.30 | alphahawk | byronc: question does it work with mswordxp documents? |
| 19:08.57 | byronc | alphahawk: I don't know, got any to test it with? |
| 19:11.56 | alphahawk | I could send some |
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| 20:48.54 | hans | ~lart elg |
| 20:51.17 | hans | jsmith: ping |
| 20:54.37 | goozbach | gotta love small classes |
| 20:55.02 | goozbach | they just fly |
| 20:56.26 | hans | mmm, netsplit |
| 20:57.00 | RyanE | seriously lot of that today |
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| 21:19.17 | Lars-UT | I'm inviting those in this channel ages 25 & up to a HALO 2 party on Friday. Bring an Xbox, a copy of HALO2, or some money for food. http://halo2.egavas.org/ |
| 21:19.34 | Lars-UT | BTW I'm actually a bot. |
| 21:20.03 | Lars-UT | gotta' work on my bot grammar & spelling though. |
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| 21:21.11 | natester | |
| 21:21.45 | levi-treo | Back in airportland... |
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| 21:24.08 | bucky | levi-treo, careful.. they may be monitoring your communications |
| 21:24.57 | Jayce^ | offhand, anybody know if you can turn off SELinux on FC3 without a reboot? |
| 21:25.12 | levi-treo | I doubt they would find them interesting. |
| 21:29.12 | jsmith | hans: Pong! |
| 21:29.33 | Jayce^ | apparently not |
| 21:30.12 | mheath | Jayce^: Well, SELinux is mostly userland stuff, is it not? |
| 21:31.11 | mheath | You should be able to turn it off without rebooting..... |
| 21:31.29 | mheath | Is there some easy fedora-only-special tool to do it easily? I dunno. |
| 21:37.22 | emcnabb | setenforce 0 |
| 21:37.30 | emcnabb | that should turn SELinux off |
| 21:38.18 | emcnabb | but only for the running instance |
| 21:38.38 | emcnabb | you can turn it off across reboots in /etc/sysconfig/selinux |
| 21:39.47 | orbit | I beieve there is a kernel command-line option to turn it off as well. |
| 21:40.45 | emcnabb | yeah, there are: |
| 21:40.54 | emcnabb | enforce=0 |
| 21:40.58 | emcnabb | or enforce=1 |
| 21:41.05 | orbit | from http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc3/index.html#id2825880 |
| 21:41.18 | orbit | Q: |
| 21:41.18 | orbit | How do I temporarily turn off enforcing mode without having to reboot? |
| 21:41.18 | orbit | A: |
| 21:41.18 | orbit | This situation usually arises when you can't perform an action that is being prevented by policy. Run the command setenforce 0 to turn off enforcing mode in real time. When you are finished, run setenforce 1 to turn enforcing back on. |
| 21:41.46 | orbit | although... |
| 21:41.57 | orbit | Q: |
| 21:41.58 | orbit | How do I temporarily turn off system-call auditing without having to reboot? |
| 21:41.58 | orbit | A: |
| 21:41.58 | orbit | This is not supported at this time. In the future, a utility will be provided to tune auditing. |
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| 21:52.00 | bucky | Bradipo, what was the url for the dns tracking |
| 21:52.59 | mheath | Wow... |
| 21:53.12 | mheath | Wine is making a lot of ground on getting support for Direct3d. |
| 21:53.32 | mheath | I wonder what Transgaming will do when Cedega is no longer any better than a free program, Wine. |
| 21:55.36 | bucky | i think a discussion between the two came up about gpl issues and cedega decided it was in their interest to cooperate more with wine |
| 21:56.42 | mheath | Well, yeah |
| 21:56.51 | mheath | But all the Direct3D stuff is Wine-coded. |
| 21:57.01 | bucky | about the time Michael Robertson started distributing wineX with linspire/lindows |
| 21:57.03 | mheath | Transgaming gave Wine some code for DirectDraw, DirectSound, and some other stuff |
| 21:57.54 | mheath | http://www.winehq.com/site/status_directx |
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| 21:58.04 | mheath | Honestly, I see no reason anymore to use Cedega |
| 21:58.23 | bucky | how can i stream a mp3 / ogg / shoutcast from the command line ? |
| 21:58.36 | mheath | bucky: get icecast |
| 21:58.43 | bucky | as a client over the network |
| 21:58.56 | bucky | icecast is a client? |
| 22:00.17 | mheath | No |
| 22:02.06 | bucky | FreeBSD Announces Contest To Replace Daemon Logo |
| 22:03.25 | byronc | blist |
| 22:03.32 | byronc | doh |
| 22:04.01 | bucky | they're going to exorcise the devil out of FreeBSD |
| 22:05.04 | bucky | this calls for for fork... Sancitfied FreeBSD |
| 22:10.20 | Bradipo | bucky: http://www.zonecut.net/dns/index.cgi |
| 22:10.25 | Bradipo | I believe that is what you were looking for... |
| 22:11.42 | hans | bucky: are you serious? |
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| 22:20.17 | bucky | Bradipo, tnx |
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| 22:26.13 | bucky | No nameservers found for www.sltrib.com |
| 22:26.24 | Bradipo | Try sltrib.com |
| 22:26.36 | Bradipo | It isn't likely they delegated www. |
| 22:27.23 | Bradipo | Interesting SOA record on sltrib.com |
| 22:28.17 | bucky | yes it is interesting and i had a heck of a time reading the paper today |
| 22:44.13 | findlay | bucky: they can't do that! |
| 22:45.56 | bucky | can't do what? run IIs at xmission |
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| 23:03.35 | findlay | ~lart bucky for being inflammatory |
| 23:03.47 | findlay | hot clue? |
| 23:04.00 | goozbach | findlay: play on words |
| 23:04.12 | findlay | I don't get it |
| 23:04.21 | goozbach | clue... glue... |
| 23:04.26 | findlay | yeah... |
| 23:04.28 | Maquis | cluebat |
| 23:04.38 | goozbach | get a clue or I glue you to the floor |
| 23:04.49 | goozbach | like unto the cluebat |
| 23:05.33 | findlay | OK, I see it now, but don't get it, maybe I'm not conditioned, like trying to understand a pun in a foreign language |
| 23:06.28 | goozbach | could be |
| 23:06.28 | hans | english isn't your first language? |
| 23:07.00 | goozbach | Woot got done early today |
| 23:07.00 | Maquis | geek isn't his first language, i'm guessing |
| 23:07.03 | findlay | mathematics is my first language (: |
| 23:07.05 | Maquis | goozbach: cool! |
| 23:07.14 | goozbach | time for some touring of Calgary |
| 23:07.25 | hans | ~knockout goozbach |
| 23:08.16 | Maquis | ~lart goozbach |
| 23:10.59 | findlay | OK I get it now |
| 23:11.08 | findlay | ha |
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| 23:14.30 | bucky | the trib online is one of the best well done on the internet.. but their availability isn't too good |
| 23:15.26 | bucky | i attribute this lack of availability to the platform they run on.. is that inflamitory? |
| 23:17.11 | findlay | does the trib colocate at xmission? |
| 23:17.18 | findlay | or run IIS? |
| 23:17.28 | findlay | (: |
| 23:17.43 | bucky | yes |
| 23:18.17 | bucky | the deseretnews.com on the other hand runs Netscape-Enterprise/4.1 on solaris |
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| 23:18.42 | bucky | in house |
| 23:19.52 | bucky | and it seems the reporting on deseretnews has gotten better... almost edgy by utah standards |
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| 23:42.16 | hans | Maquis: ping |
| 23:44.20 | goozbach | findlay: the clue thing works better when rhyming |
| 23:44.35 | goozbach | cluebat being the exception |
| 23:48.27 | Maquis | hans: pong |
| 23:51.08 | hans | you in the cs dept network? |
| 23:51.19 | Maquis | i'm a student there, yes |
| 23:51.29 | Maquis | oh... |
| 23:51.30 | Maquis | wait... |
| 23:51.35 | Maquis | reading question more carefully |
| 23:51.35 | hans | right now |
| 23:51.43 | Maquis | i'm not in the building, but i can ssh in |
| 23:52.24 | Maquis | maybe |
| 23:52.39 | hans | mostly I was curious if you were an anomaly. |
| 23:52.50 | Maquis | in what way? |
| 23:53.03 | hans | the CS dept seems to have fallen off the edge of the internet |
| 23:53.13 | Maquis | yes.. it does seem to have |
| 23:53.47 | Maquis | i just checked 5 or 6 different lab machines (in different labs), and none of them are responding |
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| 23:57.16 | Maquis | welcome back cs people |
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| 23:59.08 | Maquis | spr: what happened over there? |
