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| 00:10.13 | goozbach | blah |
| 00:10.15 | goozbach | blah |
| 00:10.17 | goozbach | blah |
| 00:10.27 | sjansen | goozbach: You don't say? |
| 00:10.51 | goozbach | blah! |
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| 00:41.48 | goozbach | close enough |
| 00:41.54 | goozbach | almost fooled myself |
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| 00:44.48 | goozbach | see if sound works with that one |
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| 01:14.20 | Levi-laptop | Argh. This laptop is so slow and crappy. I am envious of all the people with the cool G4 powerbooks. |
| 01:17.42 | Levi-laptop | Where is everyone? |
| 01:20.18 | tensai | I'm here but I have absolutely nothing to say |
| 01:20.46 | tensai | well, except that of course |
| 01:20.49 | tensai | and that... |
| 01:24.41 | Levi-laptop | Hmm, refurb Mac prices aren't too bad. |
| 01:33.55 | Levi-laptop | I could get a G4 iBook for about $620 + however much a stick of RAM for it would be. |
| 01:34.34 | Maquis | gah!!!!!!!! |
| 01:34.48 | Levi-laptop | Eh? |
| 01:34.54 | Maquis | |lart gaim for being utterly idiotic |
| 01:35.18 | Maquis | Levi-laptop: gaim seg-faulted randomly earlier today... |
| 01:35.30 | Levi-laptop | Oh. Ick. |
| 01:35.36 | Maquis | and since then, it's seg-faulted every time i try to start it |
| 01:41.32 | Maquis | yay! |
| 01:41.35 | Maquis | it worked! |
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| 01:42.45 | Maquis | Peregrine: welcome back! |
| 01:43.04 | Peregrine | Thanks, Maquis. |
| 01:43.35 | Peregrine | U sure know how to make a fella feel welcome :). |
| 01:43.43 | tensai | Maquis: you're way too outgoing. you need to work on that if you want to be a grey beard. |
| 01:44.03 | Maquis | tensai: i'm not quite as outgoing in person |
| 01:44.04 | Maquis | :) |
| 01:44.38 | Maquis | blegh.. |
| 01:44.43 | Peregrine | yea, nd-shs-coo, 2. |
| 01:44.46 | Maquis | i'm being dragged to fhe... |
| 01:44.53 | Maquis | ???????????????? |
| 01:45.02 | Peregrine | sorry, chewing on pizza :) |
| 01:45.06 | tensai | fight the fhe. especially fight the ward prayer. |
| 01:45.12 | Levi-laptop | Time to drive down to SF. Seeya. |
| 01:46.31 | Peregrine | wow; looks like they got her away from her keyboard. |
| 01:48.51 | tensai | what a shame |
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| 02:00.51 | xbmodder | sup |
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| 02:05.10 | tensai | good job! |
| 02:05.29 | Maquis | we're in charge of ward dinner on sundya |
| 02:05.39 | Maquis | i just had to make sure that i didn't get signed up for anything... |
| 02:05.55 | Peregrine | good work, Maquis. |
| 02:05.58 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:09.24 | xbmodder | hey i have some postfix questions: For a certain domain i want to use a different relay. Can this relay automatically forward it? |
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| 02:16.03 | mheath | Anyone here use ubuntu? |
| 02:16.17 | tensai | sjansen does if you can find him |
| 02:31.02 | mheath | A question for anyone here: What features, programs, accessories, etc do you think are currently missing from Linux desktops that your average-stupid-idiotic-("What's my ISP? IE!") Windows user would benefit from or want? |
| 02:37.04 | Maquis | mheath: most of them would want more of the annoying wizards... |
| 02:37.07 | Maquis | and paperclips |
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| 03:00.36 | bonez41 | mheath, I think the answer is to look at the windows desktop..and try to pretty much map it over...so that the linux destop has the same look and feel... |
| 03:00.52 | tensai | mheath: non-free plugins such as quicktime and shockwave |
| 03:02.31 | tensai | bonez41: I disagree. Windows isn't the pinnacle of user interfaces. There's plenty of room for development without copying it. |
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| 03:06.01 | bonez41 | tensai, oh, fair enough..I never was trying to imply that MS has the corner on great GUI's...far from it.....but it's what so many are familiar with and used to |
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| 03:06.51 | tensai | that's true. I find that a lot of people are confused by the way Windows works that for them, doing something else would be better. |
| 03:07.07 | tensai | it's hard to create something that can appeal to *every* user |
| 03:07.26 | Maquis | but people don't want to learn something different |
| 03:07.29 | Maquis | that's the problem |
| 03:07.48 | tensai | I think that's where having loads of distributions that cater to different types of people is a benefit for linux |
| 03:07.48 | Maquis | they think that different == hard == bad |
| 03:08.04 | tensai | Maquis: yes, but many people never learn windows in the first place |
| 03:11.12 | mheath | Hmm. I'm falling in love with Enlightenment |
| 03:11.33 | tensai | I was helping a guy out last week and he didn't know how to uninstall this ESPN software he had. Basically all he knew was click on the mail icon to read email, click on the E to see web pages. |
| 03:11.41 | mheath | Though I'm troubled that they claim they provide "Ahead of it's time eyecandy" yet several of their features are obvious ripoffs of Mac OS X. |
| 03:13.35 | Maquis | |lart eye-candy |
| 03:14.17 | mheath | http://enlightenment.org/pages/img/dr17/e17-04.jpg <--Hm, I wonder where they could have POSSIBLY gotten the idea for that icon bar.. |
| 03:14.19 | mheath | Hmm. |
| 03:14.41 | Maquis | evilwm..... |
| 03:14.43 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:14.54 | mheath | dr17 should be amazing, though |
| 03:15.28 | mheath | Apparently the enlightment development team has been focusing on amazingly nice backend/core libraries for the past few years |
| 03:16.01 | mheath | They're just now pulling it all together into an amazing, good looking, fast, nice desktop |
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| 03:36.21 | findlay | ~lart somebody |
| 03:36.25 | findlay | ~lart Maquis |
| 03:39.04 | Maquis | |lart findlay |
| 03:40.24 | findlay | ah, I was needing to shave, wasn't much of a beard anyway... |
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| 03:43.33 | findlay | sjansen-treo has come to stupefy us with his grave eloquence |
| 03:43.44 | sjansen-treo | guess who just did an rm -rf of a chrooted install forgetting that part of his real system were bind mounted inside it |
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| 03:44.38 | findlay | |lart sjansen-treo |
| 03:44.41 | vontrapp | what are the possible devices for a sandisk memory card? |
| 03:44.43 | findlay | ha |
| 03:44.47 | vontrapp | probably sda? |
| 03:45.27 | sjansen-treo | yeah |
| 03:45.42 | sjansen-treo | or sd-something |
| 03:47.14 | findlay | I mounted a sandisk card once and it was a /dev/sd? |
| 03:48.59 | vontrapp | sjansen-treo: do you know what module i need for the card reader? |
| 03:51.13 | Maquis | vontrapp: is it a reader that does a couple different formats? |
| 03:51.25 | sjansen-treo | I think mine was just usb-mass |
| 03:51.25 | Maquis | (ie, compactflash, etc)? |
| 03:51.45 | Maquis | because if it does multiple things, you need a kernel module that handles multiple luns (it's someplace in there) |
| 03:51.51 | tensai | sd_mod, usb_storage, scsi_mod |
| 03:52.03 | tensai | those are the ones I need in 2.6.7 |
| 04:23.04 | vontrapp | it's not usb, it's a built in type thingy |
| 04:25.38 | Maquis | vontrapp: hmmm... dunno |
| 04:25.52 | Maquis | my laptop has one of those, but i've never gotten it working |
| 04:26.19 | vontrapp | am i supposed to get messages when i put the card in? |
| 04:27.55 | findlay | probably distro sensitive |
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| 06:20.58 | brailsmt | can anyone reach port 25 of these servers? |
| 06:20.59 | brailsmt | mx1.mail.yahoo.com. |
| 06:20.59 | brailsmt | mx2.mail.yahoo.com. |
| 06:20.59 | brailsmt | mx3.mail.yahoo.com. |
| 06:20.59 | brailsmt | mx4.mail.yahoo.com. |
| 06:21.02 | brailsmt | i can't |
| 06:21.31 | spig | yes |
| 06:21.33 | spig | mx1 |
| 06:21.35 | Maquis | brailsmt: i can get to the first |
| 06:21.41 | brailsmt | dang... |
| 06:21.55 | spig | mx2 |
| 06:21.58 | brailsmt | i wonder where it is getting blocked on my end... |
| 06:22.12 | tensai | have you tried tcptraceroute? |
| 06:22.16 | Maquis | traceroute? |
| 06:22.16 | brigham | Utility for tracing IP packet routes.. URL: ftp://ftp.ee.lbl.gov/ |
| 06:22.21 | spig | mx3 and mx4 as well |
| 06:22.28 | Maquis | brigham: shut up |
| 06:22.37 | brailsmt | yeah, i know about traceroute... |
| 06:22.45 | Maquis | brailsmt: what do you need them for? |
| 06:22.48 | brailsmt | that was more of a rhetorical question... :) |
| 06:23.23 | brailsmt | Maquis: i need to send mail to a yahoo account and my queue is filling up because I cannot reach these servers... |
| 06:23.32 | Maquis | hmmmmmm.. |
| 06:23.50 | Maquis | so, there's something blocking you from sending to yahoo mail... |
| 06:24.00 | Maquis | are all the problems to a single account? |
| 06:24.10 | Maquis | could yahoo be blocking you? |
| 06:24.15 | Maquis | or... ummm.... |
| 06:24.26 | Maquis | maybe a dead hop between you and yahoo? |
| 06:24.32 | Maquis | how long has this problem been going? |
| 06:24.41 | brailsmt | yes, all the mail i actually for my account... |
| 06:24.48 | brailsmt | Maquis: about a month or so... |
| 06:24.49 | tensai | brailsmt: how much mail are we talking here. I could relay for you for a short time. |
| 06:25.03 | brailsmt | i have been working on it on and off for two weeks now... |
| 06:25.10 | xbmodder | hmmmmmm |
| 06:25.19 | brailsmt | tensai: 97 mails have queued up in about a month... |
| 06:25.48 | Maquis | brailsmt: have you tried a different yahoo address? |
| 06:25.52 | brailsmt | i get to yahoo just fine... |
| 06:25.53 | brailsmt | 11 vlan241-msr1.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.96.171) 55.070 ms vlan261-msr2.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.96.175) 55.771 ms ge-3-1-0.p441-msr1.re1.yahoo.com (216.115.96.191) 52.392 ms |
| 06:25.56 | brailsmt | 12 UNKNOWN-206-190-33-73.yahoo.com (206.190.33.73) 54.618 ms UNKNOWN-206-190-33-71.yahoo.com (206.190.33.71) 54.179 ms UNKNOWN-206-190-33-75.yahoo.com (206.190.33.75) 54.359 ms |
| 06:26.03 | brailsmt | that last line seems a bot strange though... |
| 06:26.20 | xbmodder | can't wait until wednesday |
| 06:26.21 | xbmodder | :) |
| 06:26.26 | tensai | brailsmt: if you want to try, I can handle that |
| 06:26.27 | Maquis | if you want to test a different yahoo address, you can email mine... |
| 06:26.35 | brailsmt | that is for traceroute mx1.mail.yahoo.com |
| 06:26.45 | brailsmt | Maquis: ok, what is it? |
| 06:26.52 | Maquis | i'll pm it |
| 06:27.43 | Maquis | btw, do you know that it's not getting to the recipient? |
| 06:27.53 | Maquis | (ie, could it just be failing to delete from the queue?) |
| 06:29.08 | tensai | Maquis: sounds like it's failing to even connect so the address wouldn't make a difference |
| 06:29.17 | brailsmt | yeah i get this message |
| 06:29.21 | tensai | I'm sure he can see the mail in his queue and rejection messages in the log |
| 06:29.26 | brailsmt | @40000000420716c82fe49ccc delivery 70: deferral: Sorry,_I_wasn't_able_to_establish_an_SMTP_connection._(#4.4.1)/ |
| 06:29.47 | Maquis | that is a different problem... |
| 06:29.56 | Maquis | have you tried telnetting there? |
| 06:30.10 | brailsmt | yes and I can't telnet to port 25 |
| 06:30.56 | Maquis | do they work off of port 25? or is it off of a different port? i know gmail uses port 400-something |
| 06:30.59 | Maquis | for smtp |
| 06:31.22 | tensai | seems like bad form to drop packets like that, even if you are on a blacklist. AOL will at least give you a nice nasty message about why mail is refused. |
| 06:32.03 | brailsmt | i am not on a blacklist, I checked, I do not have an open relay, i checked... |
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| 06:33.24 | tensai | is your ip listed as a dialup or dsl range? lots of mail servers are refusing connections from such. |
| 06:33.38 | tensai | sometimes they base it off a reverse lookup |
| 06:33.39 | Maquis | brailsmt: can you send email to other servers? like gmail or something else? is this a yahoo-only problem? |
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| 06:34.02 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 06:34.10 | brailsmt | Maquis: yes, I have sent mail elsewhere... all the mail in the queue is bound for yahoo.com |
| 06:34.15 | Maquis | ok... |
| 06:34.17 | Maquis | ummm... |
| 06:35.21 | tensai | brailsmt: I'm willing to relay mail for you. I gotta go to sleep now, but message me later if you want. |
| 06:35.23 | Newsome | tried tcptraceroute? |
| 06:35.55 | goozbach | I invoke the power of fozz |
| 06:36.03 | goozbach | by the power of PERL |
| 06:36.07 | goozbach | ! |
| 06:36.11 | Maquis | brailsmt: sorry i don't know more... i wish i could help with it... |
| 06:36.16 | Maquis | |lart goozbach |
| 06:36.21 | Maquis | ouch! |
| 06:36.33 | xbmodder | haha |
| 06:36.46 | Maquis | sorry goo! that was cruel |
| 06:36.58 | xbmodder | tensai could you relay mail for me too? |
| 06:43.27 | goozbach | this has to be the stupidest Angel episode ever |
| 06:43.31 | Maquis | brailsmt: when you get it figured out, could you pass along the resolution? |
| 06:43.38 | goozbach | Angel turned into a puppet... |
| 06:43.48 | goozbach | fighting demon puppets |
| 06:43.59 | goozbach | on a children's tv show |
| 06:44.02 | goozbach | Maquis: yes |
| 06:44.09 | Maquis | :) |
| 06:44.19 | goozbach | and cable |
| 06:44.26 | goozbach | and steals her laptop |
| 06:44.38 | goozbach | and breaks her fingers so she can't type |
| 06:45.11 | goozbach | it's for your own good |
| 06:45.13 | goozbach | trust me |
| 06:45.20 | goozbach | you need some tv imersion |
| 06:45.32 | Maquis | i have watched a lot of star trek |
| 06:45.42 | Maquis | and a good amount of stargate... |
| 06:45.57 | goozbach | ok so I'm sorry abt the fingers thing |
| 06:46.11 | Maquis | and i used to watch oreilly factor on occasion, and cnn, and such... |
| 06:47.10 | xbmodder | hahahhaha |
| 06:47.58 | Maquis | Captain_Power: go beat goozbach into a pulp! |
| 06:48.06 | Maquis | thanks Captain_Power !!! |
| 06:53.44 | Maquis | :) |
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| 06:54.44 | Maquis | oh... right... |
| 06:57.44 | xbmodder | ? |
| 06:57.46 | xbmodder | wtf?! |
| 06:57.59 | Maquis | i have a different ip address from normal... |
| 06:58.20 | Maquis | cups is denying from anyone with a different ip address from the ones i normally have... |
| 06:58.27 | Maquis | so, i locked myself out... |
| 06:58.52 | tene | yay! |
| 07:11.55 | xbmodder | were do i get smtpd |
| 07:19.22 | xbmodder | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/nvram |
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| 14:03.44 | bonez41 | Newsome, good morning...where's byu-gw? |
| 14:08.36 | Newsome | it just shows up that way because my ISP has my account listed as 'byu' |
| 14:08.54 | Newsome | doesn't really mean much. |
| 14:09.02 | Newsome | it's my home DSL |
| 14:09.27 | bonez41 | oh, I see.. |
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| 15:23.03 | Maquis | why in the world did my roommate decide that she had to turn the lights on at 7 this morning???? |
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| 15:40.09 | goozbach | ha ha |
| 15:40.45 | goozbach | I got woke up at 4:30 by the radiator in my room trying to ping itself silly |
| 15:40.49 | goozbach | pin pin ping |
| 15:40.56 | goozbach | grrr |
| 15:54.04 | goozbach | perl perl perl |
| 15:54.07 | goozbach | ... |
| 15:54.12 | goozbach | doh! |
| 15:56.14 | goozbach | I was trying to invoke the power of fozz |
| 15:56.18 | goozbach | it didn't work |
| 15:56.25 | goozbach | Perl |
| 15:56.31 | goozbach | pErl |
| 15:56.38 | goozbach | peRl |
| 15:56.43 | goozbach | blah |
| 15:57.25 | Jayce^ | you summoned the greater power instead :-p |
| 15:57.43 | goozbach | heh |
| 15:57.49 | hans | ~lart the perlers that be |
| 15:58.08 | goozbach | Jayce^: that'd be fine if it were a perl question |
| 15:58.19 | goozbach | but I was really looking or fozz |
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| 16:05.14 | brailsmt | is there a perl obfuscation script that also converts strings to hex or octal representations? |
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| 16:05.53 | tensai | sjansen: ping |
| 16:06.13 | sjansen | tensai: pong |
| 16:08.03 | Jayce^ | brailsmt, there are encryption modules, if that's what you want |
| 16:08.10 | Jayce^ | so encrypt the source |
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| 16:09.33 | Jayce^ | usually when giving their software to somebody else, and they don't want it modified |
| 16:09.39 | Jayce^ | or the people to read the source |
| 16:11.09 | Maquis | that doesn't seem all that nice... |
| 16:11.33 | sjansen | How to I get apt to reinstall a package that might have been corruped? |
| 16:12.08 | Maquis | sjansen: apt-get remove and apt-get install? |
| 16:12.16 | Jayce^ | man apt-get :) (I just remember there is a --reinstall or something) |
| 16:12.17 | tensai | apt-get install --reinstall <foo> |
| 16:12.19 | sjansen | that only works if nothing depends on it |
| 16:12.39 | Maquis | isn't there a --nodepend option? |
| 16:13.02 | sjansen | heh, should read the man page |
| 16:13.48 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 16:14.08 | sjansen | Just you wait, Jason Hall, just you wait! |
| 16:14.21 | sjansen | You'll be sorry, but your tears will be too late! |
| 16:15.02 | Maquis | sjansen: do you deny that you deserved it? |
| 16:16.45 | tensai | Maquis: has that ever stopped him before? |
| 16:16.59 | Maquis | tensai: good point... |
| 16:17.49 | Maquis | s |
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| 16:49.57 | mrpull | whoa. it is official. Ask Jeeves aquired Bloglines |
| 16:50.05 | mrpull | is that good or bad (for you other bloglines lovers) |
| 16:50.06 | mrpull | ? |
| 16:50.27 | hans | does google have a competing product? |
| 16:50.42 | mrpull | not that i'm aware of |
| 16:51.01 | mrpull | I wouldn't be surprised if gmail started doing RSS aggregation tho |
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| 17:08.57 | mrpull | whoa! http://maps.google.com/ |
| 17:08.59 | mrpull | i love maps. |
| 17:12.39 | hans | slick |
| 17:12.53 | xbmodder | ~quote goog |
| 17:16.58 | sjansen | ~quote scox |
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| 17:19.58 | Maquis | wow! i can almost find my house on here! |
| 17:22.29 | Maquis | i found it! |
| 17:27.10 | Jayce^ | yeah, the roads where my house is are completely wrong |
| 17:27.25 | hans | well the roads to my house are fine |
| 17:27.33 | hans | :-P |
| 17:27.33 | Maquis | ours are right, but they show them being a lot farther from the railroad than they actually are... |
| 17:27.44 | Maquis | i found our church too |
| 17:28.15 | Maquis | it can't find my house with the search though... |
| 17:28.36 | Maquis | i just found it because i know where it is |
| 17:29.27 | hans | actually they don't have my road in santa fe |
| 17:29.51 | sjansen | rock on! |
| 17:30.01 | xbmodder | actually they don't have the road behind my house |
| 17:30.22 | Jayce^ | they have roads by my house that don't exist, and none of the ones that do |
| 17:30.50 | Maquis | found my apartment too |
| 17:31.04 | sjansen | Jayce^: What do you expect living in the middle of a construction zone? |
| 17:31.14 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 17:31.53 | Maquis | there's my bishop's house... |
| 17:31.54 | Maquis | :) |
| 17:32.32 | xbmodder | Your search - 67.119.14.30 - did not match any locations. |
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| 17:34.01 | sjansen | heh |
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| 17:36.09 | sjansen | they've got us on the wrong side of the street |
| 17:36.45 | sjansen | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=guru%20labs%2C%20Utah&sll=40.896454%2C-111.893079&sspn=0.013062%2C0.014139 |
| 17:43.29 | hans | their driving directions want to send us the long way |
| 17:43.39 | hans | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=from%20244%20e%20200%20s%2C%20provo%2C%20utah%20to%20715%20E%20Idaho%20Ave%2C%20Las%20Cruces%2C%20NM%2088001 |
| 17:44.25 | sjansen | yeah, this thing is very beta |
| 17:44.33 | jsmith | hans: So, when are you going to Las Cruces? |
| 17:44.37 | hans | august |
| 17:45.01 | hans | the normal route is about 14 hours |
| 17:45.09 | hans | but, we could see the strip |
| 17:45.43 | jsmith | hans: You're driving? |
| 17:45.53 | jsmith | hans: Why not just fly into El Paso and drive up from there? |
| 17:47.14 | hans | well, we're moving there |
| 17:47.27 | hans | I've done that, earlier, to check out campus |
| 17:49.43 | jsmith | hans: Oh. I see. |
| 17:49.51 | sjansen | so I guess this is your official announcement that you have a new job/got accepted as a grad. student? |
| 17:54.19 | hans | well I've been accepted for a long time |
| 17:54.34 | hans | I've just more or less recently decided on nmsu for sure. |
| 17:54.53 | hans | as for a job - I'm sure I'll dig something up, and I'll be TAing |
| 17:55.04 | brailsmt | what is the best way to count the occurences of a character in a string in perl? I currently have "scalar(grep ',', (split '', $string))", which i don't htink works... |
| 17:56.04 | hans | so the boss finally got tired of getting woken up in the morning and is getting me a cell phone |
| 17:57.13 | hans | ~lart vontrapp for skiing today |
| 17:57.40 | brailsmt | that is the amest lart I have ever seen |
| 17:57.53 | brailsmt | errr... lamest |
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| 18:00.27 | jsmith | bzob! |
| 18:00.38 | bzob | sup jsmith |
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| 18:03.19 | general_zod | ~cook jakea |
| 18:03.21 | ibot | ACTION throws jakea in a big pan with veggies inside and cooks jakea on 350 for an hour |
| 18:03.45 | hans | jakea: watch it/them yet? |
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| 18:15.36 | jakea | hans: Yes |
| 18:16.34 | jakea | hans: how do you search and replace in vi |
| 18:16.46 | hans | :s/foo/bar/ |
| 18:16.54 | hans | :%s/foo/bar/g for the whole file |
| 18:17.09 | hans | there are other flags too, like confirm and whatnot. |
| 18:17.22 | hans | :help :s |
| 18:19.48 | jakea | thx |
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| 18:36.22 | levi-treo | Yo. |
| 18:36.37 | hans | yi |
| 18:37.35 | levi-treo | Nobody at this workshop seems to be running linux on their laptops. |
| 18:37.52 | hans | what workshop would that be? |
| 18:38.00 | levi-treo | It's all XP and OS X. |
| 18:38.20 | levi-treo | OpenIB alliance |
| 18:38.30 | jakea | ~lart aim |
| 18:38.48 | levi-treo | IB = Infiniband |
| 18:39.14 | hans | what's that? |
| 18:39.28 | jakea | hans: You going to donate your 12 dollars? |
| 18:39.30 | hans | and how do you folks stand to IRC with handhelds? do you have keyboards? |
| 18:39.38 | levi-treo | High-speed network. |
| 18:39.43 | hans | 12 dollars? |
| 18:39.54 | jakea | top of slashdot |
| 18:40.15 | levi-treo | Just the thumbboard. You get used to it. |
| 18:41.42 | levi-treo | It does encourage me to be a little less verbose. |
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| 18:42.45 | levi-treo | There are a whole generation of kids who chat w/regular numeric keypads on their phones. |
| 18:43.32 | jakea | it's like we live in the land of Star Trek |
| 18:43.35 | jakea | ;) |
| 18:44.00 | goozbach | beam me up |
| 18:44.15 | goozbach | hmmm... didn't work |
| 18:44.23 | jakea | ~energize goozbach |
| 18:44.44 | goozbach | but alas still no |
| 18:44.51 | hans | jakea: interesting concept. I'd pitch in if B&B weren't there |
| 18:45.27 | jakea | if Coto is still around, I'll pitch in |
| 18:45.46 | jakea | Coto is what made the 4th season good |
| 18:46.26 | jakea | anything that made the 4th season bad has been a B&B idea (*cough* alien nazies) |
| 18:47.32 | levi-treo | I assume you're not talking about Bed and Breakfast places. |
| 18:47.55 | jakea | good assumption |
| 18:47.58 | hans | berman and his sidecick |
| 18:48.12 | hans | think the lucases of trek |
| 18:48.34 | levi-treo | Oh, Trek. |
| 18:48.35 | jakea | they gave us a lot of good trek, but they need to step down |
| 18:48.43 | jakea | well, I guess they will be at this point |
| 18:48.47 | levi-treo | *yawn* |
| 18:49.19 | jakea | hans, you into Star Wars as well? |
| 18:49.37 | hans | jakea: yeah |
| 18:49.47 | jakea | did you see "A Lost Hope" |
| 18:49.54 | hans | no |
| 18:50.20 | jakea | http://www.union.ic.ac.uk/rcc/pain/SequentialMirror/SWE3_large.mov |
| 18:50.43 | hans | 403: Forbidden |
| 18:50.46 | hans | vewrboten |
| 18:50.47 | jakea | lol |
| 18:50.58 | jakea | I have a copy, I'll put it on a URL, gimme a sec |
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| 18:52.22 | jakea | hans: http://tardis.byu.edu/jake/SWE3_large.mov |
| 18:53.05 | jakea | "Limited time only" |
| 18:55.53 | levi-treo | Ooh, I think I see a guy hacking in Linux on his laptop. |
| 19:00.33 | Newsome | Hah, that was better than Episode I or II |
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| 19:02.44 | Newsome | hmm, so much for the "Restart Afterstep" button |
| 19:04.10 | hans | I swear! |
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| 19:07.50 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
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| 19:14.22 | sjansen-treo | ~date |
| 19:14.23 | ibot | Tue Feb 8 19:14:23 2005 |
| 19:15.05 | sjansen-treo | goodbye utah, I'm headed south to sunny Idaho Falls! |
| 19:16.02 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 19:19.16 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: have fun in idaho! :) |
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| 19:35.38 | Jayce^ | GOSH... Lucky! |
| 19:37.33 | brailsmt | they are even forecasting the possiblity of thundersnow... I have never seen thundersnow storms... |
| 19:37.47 | Jayce^ | cool, saw one once... very cool |
| 19:37.52 | brailsmt | it would be a site to see though |
| 19:37.58 | brailsmt | s/site/sight/ |
| 19:38.11 | Jayce^ | really cool in heavy snow |
| 19:39.00 | brailsmt | yeah, the white-blue flashes on lightning in white-conditions sould be surreal |
| 19:39.05 | brailsmt | s/on/of |
| 19:39.23 | brailsmt | white-out conditions |
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| 20:01.29 | goozbach | ok by raise of hands... who's been following roads around on maps.google.com? |
| 20:01.53 | goozbach | I've gone ver almost the entire western US |
| 20:03.10 | Jayce^ | some of us actually do *work* goozbach |
| 20:04.17 | goozbach | ok so myself and Jayce^ have been... who else? |
| 20:04.25 | Jayce^ | :) |
| 20:08.33 | bucky | who can pick me up some lotto tickets in idaho ? |
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| 20:09.47 | bucky | joshc can you pick me up some lotto tickets in idaho ? |
| 20:10.08 | bucky | it's at $100m now |
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| 20:15.20 | bucky | i missed sjansen.. he's out the door |
| 20:20.40 | joshc | bucky...is there some reason i'm going to be in idaho that i dont know about.? ;-) |
| 20:22.08 | bucky | i don't know... that's why i call it "idunno" |
| 20:22.24 | joshc | ah. of course. |
| 20:23.02 | bucky | usually if there's some place i end up and i don't know how or why... it's wendover |
| 20:23.22 | joshc | they call those 'blackouts'. |
| 20:23.46 | bucky | oh you know about those? |
| 20:23.55 | joshc | i dont remember. |
| 20:24.00 | bucky | lol |
| 20:25.44 | joshc | ibot, how are you feeling today? |
| 20:25.46 | ibot | I think you lost me on that one, joshc |
| 20:26.05 | joshc | ibot, would you like to play a game |
| 20:26.42 | bucky | he's ignoring you? the nerve! |
| 20:26.47 | Jayce^ | globo-thermonuclear war |
| 20:26.59 | joshc | i was thinking more like tic-tac-toe |
| 20:27.01 | joshc | ;-) |
| 20:27.15 | joshc | and then maybe moving up to global-thermonuclear war |
| 20:29.14 | Jayce^ | behold, the all powerful _ |
| 20:30.03 | drewbono | So who can recommend a good, open-source, server-side blogging software? |
| 20:30.37 | drewbono | similar to blogger.com |
| 20:30.50 | jsmith | drewbono: A lot of people like WordPress. |
| 20:31.00 | natester | wordpress I like it |
| 20:31.24 | drewbono | Does it have built-in security? Or would i have to use htaccess for that? |
| 20:31.38 | Jayce^ | how much CMS interface do you want with it? |
| 20:31.49 | Jayce^ | and how much simplicity is key? |
| 20:31.49 | drewbono | Not a ton... |
| 20:31.56 | drewbono | Simplicity is the main point of it. |
| 20:32.03 | Jayce^ | wordpress, MT, both are cms heavy, feature filled |
| 20:32.17 | drewbono | I don't need all the bells and whistles that other CMS's have. |
| 20:32.19 | hans | roll your own! ;-) |
| 20:32.19 | Jayce^ | stuff like Bryar, blosxom are much more simple setups |
| 20:32.21 | bucky | is ibot the wopper |
| 20:32.22 | drewbono | :-) |
| 20:32.26 | natester | wordpress is not a cms |
| 20:32.28 | Jayce^ | jsut upload a file |
| 20:32.31 | natester | well ok it is |
| 20:32.33 | hans | I like blosxom, but it's not server-side. |
| 20:32.35 | natester | you can manage content |
| 20:32.49 | drewbono | Oh, and it should have cool themes. :-) |
| 20:32.51 | hans | well, if you had a dav or ftp interface for the files I guess it could be. |
| 20:33.12 | natester | drewbono: does it need to be slashdotable? |
| 20:33.14 | drewbono | Jayce^: can you also simply email a file to post it? |
| 20:33.21 | drewbono | natester: no |
| 20:33.28 | Jayce^ | any of those would be easy to hack up quickly |
| 20:33.36 | hans | drewbono: you could set up a procmail rule |
| 20:33.43 | Jayce^ | heck, I did one for moblog that is a couple perl lines and procmail |
| 20:33.44 | natester | I'd use blogger.com with their api |
| 20:33.53 | drewbono | All it needs to have is the ability to post, and the ability to have comments, and simple username/password security. |
| 20:34.04 | drewbono | natester: blogger doesn't have security, does it? |
| 20:34.22 | natester | drewbono: oh yeah I think not |
| 20:34.27 | natester | drewbono: wordpress does though |
| 20:34.35 | natester | drewbono: www.martianpumpkin.com |
| 20:35.57 | drewbono | natester: is that wordpress? |
| 20:35.58 | tensai | I use drupal for my blog. works well enough. I tried out WP but wasn't quite as impressed. |
| 20:36.55 | natester | drewbono: duh |
| 20:37.42 | drewbono | tensai: do you have a link to it? |
| 20:37.51 | tensai | www.zmonkey.org |
| 20:37.52 | drewbono | Thanks for your help, everyone. |
| 20:38.08 | hans | drewbono: do we get commission? |
| 20:38.22 | drewbono | Uhhhhh....sure..... |
| 20:38.39 | drewbono | Jayce^ will be cutting the checks. It's the admin's job. ;-) |
| 20:40.59 | scott_ | do you guys ever get spam that tries to look like a undelivered mail returned to sender message? I get the occationally and I always wonder if it's spam or if my system has been compromised and people are sending mail as me.. |
| 20:41.19 | hans | probably both. |
| 20:41.26 | hans | well, not compromised, but sending as you |
| 20:41.40 | hans | you don't have to be compromised for people to spoof your email address. |
| 20:43.17 | scott_ | yeah, I considered that also. |
| 20:47.33 | natester | tensai: can we have a link to your drupal blog? |
| 20:49.03 | scott_ | www.zmonkey.org/blog/ |
| 20:49.13 | scott_ | just googled for "tensai drupal" |
| 20:49.55 | tensai | yeah, and I posted it too |
| 20:50.14 | scott_ | so anyone know of a really good, interesting, news page with the happenings in the programming world? |
| 20:50.34 | hans | not /. I take it? |
| 20:50.44 | natester | way to read my mind hans |
| 20:51.04 | scott_ | hans, nah, it's a bore |
| 20:51.14 | joshc | acmqueue.com |
| 20:51.22 | joshc | has more usable content for software engineers |
| 20:51.38 | joshc | and less of the idiot peanut gallery foo that /. has |
| 20:52.21 | Jayce^ | scott_, I get about 300+ bounce messages a day claiming to have been sent from my domain |
| 20:53.05 | tensai | doctor dobbs is pretty good too. have to get a subscription to read most of the articles |
| 20:53.06 | scott_ | I wish there was something like the Economist of computing--a page with really intelligent content, great editors that know how to write well and gather interresting articles |
| 20:53.27 | Jayce^ | meh, I've become rather dissatisfied with dr. dobbs |
| 20:54.07 | joshc | well, i guess i already made my acmqueue plug |
| 20:54.21 | joshc | it's an attempt to be like the economist |
| 20:54.26 | scott_ | joshc, thanks, I'm reading it atm |
| 20:54.49 | joshc | i pass out hard copies at the plug meetings |
| 20:54.59 | joshc | when i go |
| 20:55.18 | joshc | i like paper |
| 20:55.26 | hans | queue in print is free? you mean I don't have to show up at plug to get one? |
| 20:55.43 | joshc | well, i think they still give out free print subscriptions |
| 20:55.52 | hans | do they have an rss feed? |
| 20:55.55 | joshc | you just have to fill out a form that says "yes, i am a decision maker in my software org" |
| 20:56.02 | joshc | not sure |
| 20:56.09 | hans | looks like it |
| 20:56.28 | Jayce^ | joshc, you coming tomorrow? |
| 20:56.38 | joshc | i might be able to |
| 20:56.38 | hans | oh, well I'm not. I don't write software here. thank goodness, I wouldn't want to be writing coobol |
| 20:57.06 | joshc | i actually went to the byu meeting, so it'll be a repeat for me |
| 20:57.20 | Jayce^ | hans, you are a decision making re: software usage (vpn).. as well as plug software (mailman, etc) |
| 20:57.35 | Jayce^ | slightly different for plug |
| 20:57.41 | joshc | yeah hans, i'm sure you could qualify to get a free print. it's worth it - i think its a very useful magazine |
| 20:58.07 | Jayce^ | I've been more impressed recently with SysAdmin magazine... some good stuff recently |
| 20:58.20 | joshc | is that online? |
| 20:58.24 | hans | this will soften the blow of my linux journal expiring |
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| 20:59.08 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 20:59.23 | joshc | hm - i'm really liking firefox lately. |
| 20:59.35 | Jayce^ | www.samag.com |
| 20:59.52 | joshc | firefox figured it out for me "sysadmin magazine" resolved to samag.com |
| 21:00.45 | Jayce^ | TPJ (the perl journal) kinda got rolled into it, along with some other heyday ones.. |
| 21:01.44 | joshc | hm - this looks pretty good. |
| 21:03.27 | Jayce^ | they tend to have useful, user contributed content |
| 21:09.11 | fozz | The latest is very nice. |
| 21:10.41 | Jayce^ | yeah, randal's article looked good (haven't read it yet) |
| 21:11.54 | hans | o/~ so far, but we're not out yet. |
| 21:14.34 | fozz | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.14 | fozz | Niiiiiice |
| 21:21.14 | hans | heh, " |
| 21:21.16 | hans | When the Netscape threw in the towel that should have been it, but they open sourced their browser and it has arisen like an evil dead zombie. Microsoft can shoot it, knife it, dismember it, and bury it, but as long as someone somewhere wants it to live, it will crawl out of its grave to work its evil once more." |
| 21:21.31 | Jayce^ | rofl |
| 21:22.45 | spr_ | good stuff |
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| 21:25.03 | hans | Does the NBC Nightly News start up with a banner ad saying, "This broadcast best viewed on RCA Televisions"? |
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| 21:32.48 | joshc | RCA kind of stole that whole 'television' thing from that nice boy from idaho. |
| 21:50.09 | *** topic/#utah by Lars-UT -> #utah The source for OSS focused communication in Utah. Check out sllug.org, plug.org, uug.byu.edu, uvlug.org, etc. |
| 21:51.37 | tyce | I love gentoo, but sometimes the compile times are just rediculous! |
| 21:52.23 | hans | hey look, it'sthe Very Large Array |
| 21:52.27 | hans | http://www.xmission.com/transmission/ |
| 21:55.25 | tene | that's not as cool as the Very Dangerous Array, though. |
| 21:59.22 | Jayce^ | mmmm. schlock |
| 21:59.41 | Jayce^ | tene++ for the schlock reference |
| 21:59.53 | tene | yay! |
| 22:01.15 | Jayce^ | you going to LTUE or dragons keep? |
| 22:02.20 | scott_ | anyone ever used adobe's forums? |
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| 22:04.36 | SpecialK | ~lart Maquis |
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| 22:05.28 | levi_ | Woo, I have Linux on my laptop now. |
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| 22:08.42 | levi_ | ? |
| 22:08.45 | levi_ | Oops. |
| 22:08.57 | joshc | don't you mean w00t levi? |
| 22:09.15 | levi_ | No, not really. |
| 22:09.32 | joshc | oh. just woo. |
| 22:09.52 | joshc | yeah, well, that's not nearly as an exciting exclamation. |
| 22:10.36 | levi_ | ? |
| 22:10.40 | levi_ | Grr. |
| 22:12.11 | vontrapp | grr |
| 22:12.27 | joshc | go bears! |
| 22:12.55 | vontrapp | hmm, maybe that's why |
| 22:13.03 | vontrapp | what the heck i'm i doing in 2.6.6 |
| 22:13.15 | hans | using irc |
| 22:13.20 | joshc | yeah, you should be in 2.4 |
| 22:13.40 | joshc | nice and stable. ;-) |
| 22:13.40 | hans | 2.2 |
| 22:13.59 | vontrapp | |lart hans,joshc |
| 22:14.06 | joshc | double lart fails |
| 22:14.25 | vontrapp | ~lart hans for forgetting to wake brigham |
| 22:14.27 | hans | ~lart vontrapp,vontrapp |
| 22:14.42 | hans | don't look at me. It's maquis' now. |
| 22:14.49 | joshc | there was living hamster crap in vontrapp? eww. |
| 22:15.07 | vontrapp | what a relief it's gone now |
| 22:15.10 | hans | odd, ps hangs |
| 22:15.43 | hans | well I need to reboot anyway. time to put the ol' soundblaster in this workstation since the newfangled onboard soundcard can't record worth a darn. |
| 22:16.09 | joshc | that's pretty weak that you have to reboot just to put new hardware in your machine |
| 22:16.20 | joshc | what kind of system is that? |
| 22:16.51 | joshc | i mean, if you move fast enough, you can easily get everything on a common ground and have no voltage irregularities. |
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| 22:18.11 | joshc | okay, not very funny. |
| 22:19.04 | vontrapp | anybody been bitten by CONFIG_REGPARM? (use register arguments) |
| 22:19.56 | JoshH | ive never tried it, i read the help and assumed it would probably break things like nvidia drivers |
| 22:20.28 | JoshH | why are you going with 2.6.9 instead of 2.6.10? |
| 22:20.39 | vontrapp | cause i already have it downloaded |
| 22:20.52 | vontrapp | is 2.6.10 worth getting? |
| 22:21.16 | JoshH | i think 2.6.9 has some XFS bugs, it might have been 2.6.8 though |
| 22:21.29 | JoshH | i used 2.6.7 until 2.6.10 came out so im not sure |
| 22:21.31 | vontrapp | as in the filesysyem? |
| 22:21.36 | JoshH | ya |
| 22:21.38 | vontrapp | s/syem/stem/ |
| 22:22.14 | Jayce^ | 2.6.9 had a few issues |
| 22:22.25 | JoshH | a new kernel is only a 30mb or so download though, not exactly huge |
| 22:22.33 | JoshH | even smaller if you get a package |
| 22:23.22 | joshc | xfs is sort of a mess |
| 22:23.35 | joshc | hey, you know - i cant get the bonanza theme song out of my head. |
| 22:24.06 | JoshH | luckily i cant remember that theme song |
| 22:24.16 | JoshH | well, vaguely |
| 22:24.27 | joshc | it's kind of hard to translate it into ascii |
| 22:24.30 | JoshH | not well enough to get it stuck in my head |
| 22:24.43 | joshc | bdudu dududu dudu du du |
| 22:24.55 | joshc | dumb duddu bum du dud dudu dah! |
| 22:25.01 | joshc | nevermind |
| 22:25.17 | vontrapp | bdudu DAAAA dudu dum dum dum |
| 22:25.28 | joshc | Set in Nevada, in the 1860s, Bonanza chronicled the adventures of the Cartwright family who owned a large ranch - The Ponderosa. |
| 22:26.35 | JoshH | ever since the current season of 24 started, i havent even thought about any other TV shows. |
| 22:27.05 | Lars-UT | I'm still on the 3RD season of 24. |
| 22:27.20 | joshc | someday i'll have to rent those dvds |
| 22:27.38 | joshc | i've been too lazy to bother to tivo it |
| 22:27.42 | joshc | now that's lazy. |
| 22:27.54 | JoshH | i never really got into 24 before, but i saw the season premiere, got hooked, rented the first 2 discs of season 1, and ended up going back and getting the other discs when i was done... i basically watched it all straight through, with only a slight break to get some sleep. |
| 22:27.59 | JoshH | its the TV equivalent of crack. |
| 22:28.09 | joshc | i see. |
| 22:28.09 | JoshH | then i did the same with seasons 2 and 3 |
| 22:28.29 | Lars-UT | Just be careful - I rented the first 3 DVDs and ended up getting a dup of the 2nd. So 8eps instead of 12. |
| 22:28.47 | Lars-UT | I like the crack analogy though. |
| 22:29.06 | JoshH | i have the pass at blockbuster where you can always have any 2 dvd's for 20 bucks a month, so ive used that to check out 2 discs at a time |
| 22:29.29 | Lars-UT | I like watching myfavorite programs 2 epos at a time for a higher dose. Works well for alias & Battlestar Galactica. |
| 22:29.30 | joshc | netflix r0xors over blockbuster |
| 22:29.58 | JoshH | i like netflix too, but i live next to a blockbuster so i cant justify waiting for mail when i can just get them right away at the store. |
| 22:30.15 | joshc | hence the crack. |
| 22:30.19 | JoshH | exactly |
| 22:30.21 | joshc | the hubba rock. |
| 22:30.35 | Lars-UT | Of course it would be fun to watch whole season all at once. |
| 22:30.44 | joshc | wouldnt that take 24 hours? |
| 22:30.48 | JoshH | well |
| 22:30.50 | Lars-UT | nope |
| 22:30.55 | JoshH | each ep is about 42 minutes with no commercials |
| 22:31.04 | JoshH | it takes 16 hours to see a whole season |
| 22:31.06 | joshc | i must be unclear on the concept of 24. |
| 22:31.23 | JoshH | there are 24 episodes, each taking place within an hour |
| 22:31.29 | Lars-UT | The working title was 24%commercials |
| 22:31.36 | joshc | lol |
| 22:32.19 | JoshH | how far are you in season 3 Lars-UT? |
| 22:32.48 | Lars-UT | up to ep 9 now. |
| 22:33.02 | joshc | its almost time for webelos. |
| 22:33.03 | joshc | ttyl |
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| 22:33.10 | JoshH | the second half of the season is amazing, especially the last couple discs |
| 22:33.13 | Lars-UT | I only rented the first 8 eps on DVD |
| 22:33.14 | tyce | last weeks ep rocked! |
| 22:33.36 | Lars-UT | please don't spoil it for me. |
| 22:33.40 | tyce | this weeks was a lot more suspenseful, just not as much action |
| 22:33.42 | JoshH | oh i wont |
| 22:33.53 | tyce | me either |
| 22:36.03 | Lars-UT | On a semi-related note, I've been trying to figure out the easiest way to rip DVDs (for the sake of argument we'll say unencrypted) to Xvid. Suggestions? We're talking one-click or one script. Suggestions? |
| 22:36.36 | Jayce^ | DVD::Rip |
| 22:36.41 | JoshH | I use the dvd::rip gui |
| 22:36.45 | Jayce^ | perl-GTK system |
| 22:36.47 | tene | DVD::Rip |
| 22:36.57 | JoshH | http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/ |
| 22:37.00 | Jayce^ | frontend for everything from the rip, to encoding, to burning, easy, yet flexible |
| 22:37.50 | Lars-UT | One of the things that annoys me is when I get a DVD for my kids and the first thing that comes up is a bunch of targeted commercials. |
| 22:38.37 | Jayce^ | especially with rental dvd's now, they force you to watch 10 minutes or so of ads.. |
| 22:39.07 | Lars-UT | the link to the frontend looks like it would do exactly what I want. |
| 22:39.42 | vontrapp | well, back to menuconfig |
| 22:40.09 | JoshH | eh, i always use menuconfig |
| 22:40.31 | Lars-UT | I've been leaning towards Xvid for output, what do y'all prefer? |
| 22:40.47 | JoshH | i liked xconfig with 2.4 but i hate the new qt xconfig, and gconfig |
| 22:41.21 | vontrapp | Lars-UT: Xvid sounds good, i also would like to know how to rip dvds easily and with quality |
| 22:41.41 | vontrapp | i've gotten mencoder to work, but the quality is crap |
| 22:41.57 | vontrapp | hans knows of my ripping woes |
| 22:41.59 | Lars-UT | JoshH & Jayce^: do you keep AC3 surround with your rips? |
| 22:42.27 | Jayce^ | depends on what I'm targeting |
| 22:42.28 | JoshH | i dont usually |
| 22:42.34 | Lars-UT | I fought with an Anamorphic wide screen last week and never could get the aspect ratio to look the way I wanted it. |
| 22:42.45 | JoshH | if its a dvd that i care about the soundtrack on, ill usually just watch the real disc |
| 22:43.15 | vontrapp | anamorphic? |
| 22:43.21 | Lars-UT | 1.78:1 |
| 22:43.32 | Lars-UT | same as 16:9 I think... |
| 22:43.35 | Newsome | better than anthropomorphic |
| 22:43.40 | Lars-UT | lol |
| 22:43.53 | Jayce^ | usually if I'm ripping, it's for a device that I don't care about high quality.. so no |
| 22:44.16 | Jayce^ | I just want something the kid can watch without destroying the disc, or will watch on another device |
| 22:44.17 | vontrapp | i hate when they use fractions/decimals in the ratio, it's already a fraction! |
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| 22:45.39 | SpecialK | I'll second on the addictiveness of 24 |
| 22:46.28 | JoshH | its great television |
| 22:47.39 | scott_ | is anyone having problems with MSN messenger connecting? |
| 22:47.44 | JoshH | ya i am |
| 22:47.47 | Lars-UT | It's a worm. |
| 22:48.01 | vontrapp | scott_: i was yesterday |
| 22:48.05 | vontrapp | haven't tried today |
| 22:48.09 | JoshH | i got disconnected this morning and havent been able to reconnect since |
| 22:48.15 | jakea | I am too, and today my aim account was suspended for no reason |
| 22:48.17 | SpecialK | That's why you use GAIM to connect on Linux |
| 22:48.24 | JoshH | i cant even connect with gaim |
| 22:48.25 | levi_ | Hrm. X is not working. |
| 22:48.35 | vontrapp | SpecialK: gaim is what was having troubles connecting |
| 22:48.49 | JoshH | well i just tried it again and it did work |
| 22:48.57 | JoshH | last time i tried before was about an hour ago |
| 22:48.58 | SpecialK | but the regular MSN client works? |
| 22:48.59 | Lars-UT | http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5568012.html |
| 22:49.11 | JoshH | and it says only one of my contacts is online, heh |
| 22:49.13 | vontrapp | SpecialK: don't know |
| 22:49.50 | SpecialK | One of the updates they did, they locked out bunch of clients including Mac OS9 client |
| 22:50.49 | SpecialK | They rolled that one back a couple of days later |
| 22:52.00 | Lars-UT | thanks for the DVD::rip suggestions. |
| 22:52.59 | Lars-UT | Does that frontend come with any liveCDs? |
| 22:54.59 | vontrapp | no way! menuconfig has search capability now! |
| 22:55.23 | hans | slash? |
| 22:55.27 | vontrapp | yep |
| 22:55.31 | hans | nice |
| 22:55.32 | JoshH | i dont think so lars |
| 22:55.41 | hans | can you search on the CONFIG_ name? |
| 22:56.30 | Lars-UT | Guess there's a reason to have 2 systems at my desk... |
| 22:57.03 | vontrapp | yep |
| 22:57.35 | JoshH | Lars-UT: are you on debian? |
| 22:57.46 | vontrapp | hmm, it tells you where it is, but doesn't automatically jump you there |
| 22:58.23 | Lars-UT | FC3 |
| 22:58.45 | Lars-UT | but I'm about to wipe the box |
| 22:59.05 | Lars-UT | I was considering Sarge or Woody. |
| 22:59.15 | JoshH | dont go with woody man |
| 22:59.31 | scott_ | you guys that can't get msn to work, are you at byu or not? |
| 22:59.34 | Lars-UT | Sarge then. |
| 22:59.36 | JoshH | im not |
| 23:00.02 | JoshH | if you use debian or ubuntu, you can everything you need easily from the marillat sources |
| 23:00.10 | JoshH | im sure there are rpm's too somewhere, but i dont know where |
| 23:00.11 | hans | scott_: my borhter that goes to uvsc is having problems too. he might even be at work |
| 23:00.38 | Lars-UT | I'm at work & having problems with GAIM & MSN as well. |
| 23:00.41 | vontrapp | scott_: not at byu and not working |
| 23:01.00 | JoshH | im at work, but not working. :) |
| 23:01.46 | Lars-UT | hans - you don't have a signon that uses the MSN Messenger protocol? |
| 23:01.56 | hans | heck no |
| 23:02.05 | Lars-UT | just jabber & irc? |
| 23:02.06 | JoshH | in an ideal world, where everyone used jabber, i wouldnt need aim or msn |
| 23:02.14 | JoshH | but unfortunately, thats not my reality |
| 23:02.26 | Lars-UT | Not mine either. |
| 23:02.49 | hans | well, if you're trying to catch me in a wordtrap, you might succeed. I have a gaim logon that I sometimes use |
| 23:03.03 | hans | I can't remember, is that merged with msn these days? or was it some other protocol? |
| 23:03.07 | hans | and who did the merging? |
| 23:03.11 | Lars-UT | So you're only a little dirty.... |
| 23:03.24 | Lars-UT | tainted by the empire.... |
| 23:03.33 | hans | but no red contacts yet. |
| 23:07.11 | Jayce^ | no, hans, you have an AIM login also |
| 23:07.33 | hans | I meant aim |
| 23:07.45 | hans | is there a gaim protocol? that seems silly |
| 23:09.24 | Jayce^ | no |
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