| 00:00.28 | Maquis | 4 |
| 00:01.06 | goozbach | w00t cuntry 3y3 js|_|t h4x0red j00 |
| 00:01.24 | goozbach | wireless access at the hotel |
| 00:01.33 | Maquis | how? |
| 00:01.34 | brigham | how are the pavillions on linux compatability? |
| 00:01.42 | Maquis | boys? |
| 00:01.49 | levi | sjansen: What RFC is funny? |
| 00:02.09 | goozbach | I just figured out the appropiate post to send to the gateway |
| 00:02.33 | sjansen | levi: 3377 |
| 00:03.06 | sjansen | grrrls? |
| 00:04.29 | hans | |forget how |
| 00:04.29 | brigham | can do! |
| 00:05.05 | sjansen | |forget everything you annoying bot |
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| 00:07.26 | vontrapp | |roulette |
| 00:07.26 | brigham | vontrapp: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 00:07.52 | hans | |roulette |
| 00:07.52 | brigham | hans: chamber 2 of 6 => +click+ |
| 00:07.58 | hans | sjansen: your turn |
| 00:08.05 | tene | |roulette |
| 00:08.05 | brigham | tene: chamber 3 of 6 => +click+ |
| 00:08.19 | sjansen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.25 | sjansen | Shoot, missed! |
| 00:08.27 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
| 00:08.35 | Maquis | brigham is a good bot! |
| 00:08.40 | tene | |bad |
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| 00:48.25 | vontrapp | man, IE can't even do simple border stuff |
| 00:50.48 | neybar | vontrapp: what do you mean? |
| 00:50.49 | neybar | css? |
| 00:50.49 | brigham | css is http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/ -- the best css resource out there |
| 00:50.52 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 00:50.58 | neybar | it can do borders |
| 00:51.10 | vontrapp | yeah, but not inset, or only single sides |
| 00:52.20 | vontrapp | it ignores border-bottom: blah and such |
| 00:54.37 | neybar | yeah, I've noticed that it doesn't like inset |
| 00:56.02 | sjansen | or dotted |
| 00:56.05 | neybar | it will do single sides though. I am using this style and it works with ie: border-bottom: #888 2px solid; |
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| 01:10.50 | levi | sjansen: What's funny about RFC 3377? |
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| 01:11.49 | ECS | |lart Maquis |
| 01:12.07 | sjansen | All that verbiage to say "go ahead and create LDAP servers that support updates" |
| 01:13.30 | levi | It's an RFC, though. It's supposed to be wordy. ;) |
| 01:14.21 | sjansen | Actually, once you get past the boiler plate I find many RFCs to be quite succint. |
| 01:14.36 | sjansen | Maybe I just have a strange sense of humor. |
| 01:28.41 | fozz | q |
| 01:28.49 | sjansen | a |
| 01:29.57 | ECS | z |
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| 01:33.58 | beandog | Anyone up for a round of bzflag2? |
| 01:35.36 | beandog | Im sure theres someone here who sucks as hard as I do at this game. |
| 01:38.09 | sjansen | http://bzflag.org/screenshots/bzkitty.jpg |
| 01:39.10 | beandog | hahahha |
| 01:39.15 | beandog | oh man |
| 01:39.50 | beandog | I want a cat now |
| 01:40.29 | vontrapp | what's the difference between using & and & ? |
| 01:40.41 | vontrapp | is the number version more accepted? |
| 01:40.55 | goozbach | wow fedora extras is pretty cool |
| 01:40.55 | sjansen | maybe |
| 01:41.07 | sjansen | In general, yes the number version is going to be more accepted. |
| 01:41.28 | sjansen | However, in the case of & that should be pretty much universal and it sure is easier to read. |
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| 02:08.04 | beandog | ok well Im starting a game if anyone wants in: wonkabar.org:5154 |
| 02:11.16 | sjansen | I started my day with Corona |
| 02:11.16 | sjansen | Hopin' it'd help me get over |
| 02:11.16 | sjansen | The night that you left |
| 02:11.16 | sjansen | But it didn't help |
| 02:11.16 | sjansen | So I moved on to tequila |
| 02:11.16 | sjansen | Built a pyramid up to the ceiling |
| 02:11.18 | sjansen | Ten glasses high |
| 02:11.20 | sjansen | But I can still hear you sayin' goodbye |
| 02:11.22 | sjansen | It's gonna take more than a margarita |
| 02:11.24 | sjansen | More than a shooter |
| 02:11.27 | sjansen | To blow your memory away |
| 02:17.18 | levi | sjansen: Maybe you're a dry alcoholic. |
| 02:19.08 | emcnabb | I thought sjansen was being productive; he seemed to be concentrating so much when I looked over |
| 02:19.13 | emcnabb | then I looked at #utah |
| 02:19.21 | emcnabb | and found out the truth... |
| 02:20.26 | Maquis | emcnabb: give the guy a break |
| 02:26.03 | tene | I remember looking through a list of packages a while ago and noticing a package for recovering deleted images from a digital camera. |
| 02:26.12 | tene | Anyone know what I'm talking about? |
| 02:26.18 | tene | I can't quite seem to find it on google. |
| 02:27.01 | sjansen | most cameras use FAT so all you need is a FAT recovery tool |
| 02:28.06 | tene | hmm |
| 02:29.38 | tene | I seem to recall it having something specific to flash memory, somehow. |
| 02:29.45 | tene | or I might just be on crack. |
| 02:33.40 | mrpull_ | what distro? maybe your package manager lets you search on the description |
| 02:34.13 | mrpull_ | also... there was a thread on the plug list recently about the same topic (I think the solution was to use windows tho) |
| 02:34.14 | tene | I don't recall where I saw it. good idea, though. |
| 02:34.18 | tene | oh? |
| 02:34.47 | mrpull_ | oh... but are the plug archives working? |
| 02:35.08 | mrpull_ | I think it was in december |
| 02:35.56 | tene | I found something that scans the raw disk for image headers. |
| 02:36.02 | tene | That should probably work. |
| 02:36.37 | tene | I don't have the camera that needs pictures recovered from it, so I'm testing it with mine. |
| 02:36.52 | tene | and it found 8 so far |
| 02:36.58 | tene | deleted earlier this morning. |
| 02:37.18 | mrpull_ | the thread in from the plug list was titled "Undeleting A vfat directory" |
| 02:38.00 | mrpull_ | http://www.math.unibas.ch/~winkel/cplx/comp/digicam.html was mentioned |
| 02:40.58 | tene | sweet, thanks |
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| 02:52.48 | tene | sw33t, it recovered all the images taken since I got this new mem card. |
| 02:53.02 | mrpull_ | wahooo... what did you use to recover them? |
| 02:53.14 | tene | photorec |
| 02:53.27 | mrpull_ | does your disto package it? |
| 02:53.52 | tene | I dunno, I'm sitting at a windows box right now |
| 02:54.06 | mrpull_ | oh. cool. (dumb assumption on my part ) |
| 02:54.10 | tene | it's been ported to windows |
| 02:54.33 | tene | not really, I'm only rarely on windows and I'm sure you've seen me talk about my linux box before. |
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| 02:56.58 | tene | and no, my distro doesn't seem to have a photorec package. |
| 02:57.47 | tene | (I just searched when you asked that) |
| 02:57.48 | mrpull_ | cool. good to know. i still trust XP with my family photos because I like Adobe Photoshop Album |
| 02:58.26 | mrpull_ | I cant find a suitable replacement for it in linux |
| 02:58.47 | tene | of course, it's a 512MB card, and only 46 pictures have been taken... |
| 02:58.54 | tene | so it's not *that* impressive. |
| 02:59.14 | mrpull_ | haha... I'm guessing you don't have kids? |
| 02:59.22 | tene | nope |
| 02:59.41 | mrpull_ | my wife and I take 46 pics of our kids a day :) |
| 02:59.44 | tene | although there are kids in the household. I live with my parents right now, and it's their camera I'm testing. |
| 02:59.54 | tene | http://www.cgsecurity.org/index.html?photorec.html by the way |
| 03:00.47 | mrpull_ | tangent.... I found http://www.phlak.org/modules/xoopsfaq/index.php?cat_id=3 while looking for photorec |
| 03:01.12 | mrpull_ | looks like fun. |
| 03:04.34 | xbmodder_lappy | an alternate to list what files you h... had.... rm -rfv / |cut -b 10-30|cut -f1 -d\' |
| 03:04.39 | xbmodder_lappy | an alternate to list what files you h... had.... rm -rfv / |cut -b 10-30|cut -f1 -d\'|grep -v irectory |
| 03:06.20 | xbmodder_lappy | btw: don't do it! |
| 03:07.44 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: I'm gonna demo that command for my students come fri |
| 03:08.08 | goozbach | they were wondering why it's not a good idea to log in directly as root |
| 03:08.22 | xbmodder_lappy | hahaha |
| 03:08.25 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 03:08.55 | xbmodder_lappy | be like what does this do everyone!? |
| 03:09.20 | xbmodder_lappy | a program that lists all the files in a directory.... |
| 03:09.28 | xbmodder_lappy | put a script up |
| 03:11.55 | goozbach | no, I'm gonna present it as something not to do |
| 03:12.09 | xbmodder_lappy | wget http://xbmodder.us/cool -O /bin/2ls;chmod a+x /bin/2ls |
| 03:12.16 | xbmodder_lappy | i know |
| 03:12.20 | xbmodder_lappy | but show them |
| 03:12.25 | xbmodder_lappy | guess what class |
| 03:12.38 | xbmodder_lappy | try this prgm out |
| 03:13.26 | Maquis | goozbach: how about rm -rf .* ? |
| 03:13.49 | Maquis | (to get rid of the .files and .folders in a dir... |
| 03:13.49 | Maquis | ) |
| 03:13.49 | Maquis | :) |
| 03:16.58 | goozbach | xbmodder_lappy: I don't think my customer would like me fooling my students |
| 03:17.58 | LeviHome | Maquis: Gotta be careful with .*, because it also matches . and .. |
| 03:18.11 | sjansen | only in stupid shells |
| 03:18.17 | Maquis | LeviHome: that's what i was pointing out... |
| 03:18.24 | Maquis | that's why he should point that out to his students |
| 03:18.46 | LeviHome | sjansen: What is a not-stupid shell, then? |
| 03:18.49 | Maquis | i'm surprised i never did that before first finding out about that fact... it had never occurred to me until someone mentioned it on the mailing list... |
| 03:18.52 | Maquis | LeviHome: zsh |
| 03:19.07 | sjansen | I don't remember. IIRC, zsh. Maybe bash now too. |
| 03:19.17 | sjansen | But there are shells that know better. |
| 03:19.32 | LeviHome | I don't know if I like that. |
| 03:19.57 | Maquis | you don't know if you like the fact that it protects you from deleting your entire filesystem? |
| 03:19.57 | LeviHome | Because, really, . and .. should match a .* glob. |
| 03:20.03 | Maquis | not in an rm -rf!!! |
| 03:20.18 | LeviHome | Well, that's what you get for using rm -rf. |
| 03:20.38 | LeviHome | As root, no less. |
| 03:21.17 | Maquis | LeviHome: i still think it would be good for goo to mention it to his students in his explanation of why you shouldn't log in as root |
| 03:21.30 | LeviHome | Probably so. |
| 03:23.47 | brailsmt | darn good state of the union address |
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| 03:37.41 | jsmith-docs | Dang, where did hans go? |
| 03:38.10 | beandog | I *really* suck at bzflag |
| 03:40.01 | beandog | And thats what makes it so much fun. :) |
| 03:41.08 | jsmith-docs | Yeah... I got my son hooked on it. |
| 03:44.35 | Maquis | beandog: i bet i suck worse |
| 03:44.49 | Maquis | after the last uug meeting, i got the comment "were you actually playing?" |
| 03:44.59 | Maquis | s/uug meeting/uug fragfest |
| 03:46.56 | tene | hmm |
| 03:48.47 | tene | it looks like the camera owned by the person I'm trying to help doesn't use USB Mass Storage |
| 03:48.53 | tene | that will make things difficult, I expect |
| 03:49.09 | tene | it's a Kodak |
| 03:49.57 | Mecworks | Can someone hit this URL and tell me what you see? I'm testing rewrite to stop image leachers... http://blog.mecworks.com/wp-content/fuji-s3_sized.jpg |
| 03:50.19 | tene | a FUJIFILM FinePix |
| 03:50.23 | Mecworks | dane |
| 03:51.32 | Mecworks | anyone else? |
| 03:51.51 | Mecworks | tene, does your browser send a referer? |
| 03:52.02 | tene | it should |
| 03:52.13 | tene | except I just copied/pasted |
| 03:52.15 | Mecworks | if not, you should see what you saw, not the nice message to go to the actual site of the image. |
| 03:52.25 | jsmith-docs | Fuji Finepix S3 Pro |
| 03:52.25 | tene | so... it didn't there |
| 03:52.30 | Mecworks | hm |
| 03:52.40 | tene | put a page up on some webspace somewhere with a link |
| 03:52.46 | jsmith-docs | Nice looking camera, though. |
| 03:53.27 | Mecworks | 8^) |
| 03:53.41 | tene | Kodak == special "PTP" protocol. |
| 03:53.43 | Mecworks | k, clear your caches...anyone up to try again? |
| 03:53.44 | tene | or so it seems |
| 03:55.54 | jsmith-docs | Mecworks: I made a link in a local HTML file, cleared my cache, and then clicked on the link. Still came up with the picture of hte camera. |
| 03:57.37 | Mecworks | k |
| 03:59.07 | jsmith-docs | Mecworks: It stops me when I follow a link from an actual website though, such as www.jaredsmith.net/misc/foo.html |
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| 04:03.08 | Mecworks | Oh, ok, that's the way it should work. if the referer is empty you get the image. If it's not my site you get a nice message to vizit my site. |
| 04:04.52 | tene | grr... |
| 04:05.04 | tene | if the pic had been stored on the CF card, I'd be able to retrieve it |
| 04:05.12 | tene | but it got stored on the cam's internal memory. |
| 04:08.08 | goozbach | all it takes it 10 minutes and I remember why i _need_ a hot tub at my house |
| 04:08.26 | jsmith-docs | tene: Have you tried gphoto2? |
| 04:08.37 | jsmith-docs | tene: It'll talk to a bunch of different cameras. |
| 04:08.49 | tene | jsmith-docs: this is a deleted image |
| 04:09.10 | tene | gphoto2 talks to this camera model just fine. |
| 04:09.23 | jsmith-docs | tene: It just isn't able to recover deleted pictures, right? |
| 04:09.42 | tene | if I could get usb mass storage device access to it, I could recover it easily |
| 04:09.50 | tene | I haven't tried it, 'cause I don't have the cam here |
| 04:10.04 | tene | but Kodak cams use PTP, a special picture transfer protocol |
| 04:15.21 | Mecworks | thx jsmith-docs. Its working like it should be. A friendly graphic appears if you follow a link from another site. If you go to it direclty or from my site, you get the correct graphic... Saweet! |
| 04:19.22 | jsmith-docs | Mecworks: You mispelled friendly. |
| 04:19.56 | Mecworks | Suck....thats what I get for working all day. But read it again...the web server mispelled it... 8^) |
| 04:20.13 | Mecworks | Can I use that page for a couple more tests? |
| 04:25.08 | goozbach | wow! bzflag causes my cpu to really warm up |
| 04:27.06 | goozbach | how do I ajust the gamma in X on the fly? |
| 04:27.17 | goozbach | bzflag crashed and funked it all up |
| 04:27.48 | tene | xgamma, I think |
| 04:27.52 | jsmith-docs | Mecworks: Yes, please do. |
| 04:28.03 | Mecworks | thanks! |
| 04:28.06 | tene | grr... doesn't look like there's any way to retrieve this image... |
| 04:28.11 | Mecworks | I have some people that linked my images in a forum and are using up my bandwidth instead of housing the image themselves...nice of them... So, now when they load the images in their forum, they get the message from my web server. |
| 04:28.23 | jsmith-docs | Schweet! |
| 04:28.37 | Mecworks | yeah 8^) |
| 04:28.57 | tensai | Mecworks: why not replace it with the goatse guy? |
| 04:29.16 | tene | because that's a big image |
| 04:29.25 | Mecworks | tensai, Ha! |
| 04:30.00 | tensai | http://www.evilscheme.org/defcon/ |
| 04:30.23 | tensai | these guys played wireless tricks to replace *all* images with goatse on surrounding computers |
| 04:30.26 | Mecworks | well, it's nice to actualy invite people to your web server makes money (mine makes _very_ little) so I thought that I could ask them to visit my site rather than not... |
| 04:32.25 | brailsmt | wtf is this goatse.de stuff... I am afraid to go there for fear of seeing some image i will never get out of my head... |
| 04:32.38 | tene | don't check it out |
| 04:32.49 | tene | 'cause you won't ever get it out of your head. |
| 04:33.55 | goozbach | brailsmt: the ultimate in NSFW |
| 04:34.18 | tene | well, tubgirl is worse, I've heard |
| 04:34.22 | goozbach | I'm scarred for life |
| 04:34.28 | tene | I don't know what it actually is, just been told that it's worse |
| 04:34.29 | brailsmt | nsfw? |
| 04:34.33 | tene | not safe for work |
| 04:35.04 | goozbach | tene: yeah but the name makes you think twice so that reason can tell you don't do it" |
| 04:35.24 | tene | grr... it's probably not vaguely feasible to get this image |
| 04:35.42 | goozbach | goatse didn't set off that "somthing aint right here" warning |
| 04:36.44 | brailsmt | goozbach: it did for me... i imagine someting to do with goats and it is only ever brought up in contexts that make me believe is a nasty image... |
| 04:37.08 | goozbach | ok so the link poster who phished me did a better job |
| 04:37.14 | goozbach | aparently |
| 04:37.25 | LeviHome | goatse has nothing to do with goats, actually. |
| 04:37.41 | goozbach | I can feel the heat coming off my screen |
| 04:37.45 | goozbach | gonna restart X |
| 04:38.03 | tensai | found a great new kids game: http://toddlergame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:38.40 | tensai | new to me anyway. my son loves it. has a few major bugs though |
| 04:38.43 | goozbach | mucho better |
| 04:40.26 | goozbach | hmm... bzflag zombied on me |
| 04:40.34 | goozbach | eating up all the cpu cycles |
| 04:42.59 | goozbach | well to bed with me |
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| 04:53.42 | vontrapp | i have an image with a div under it, and i can't get them flush together |
| 04:53.52 | vontrapp | i tried margin: 0; on both the img and the div |
| 04:57.03 | sjansen | trow a border around the image to make sure it doesn't have white space |
| 04:57.24 | vontrapp | did, no white space |
| 04:58.50 | jsmith-docs | hans! |
| 04:59.00 | jsmith-docs | Anybody else having problems with DNS and test.plug.org not resolving? |
| 04:59.16 | sjansen | url? |
| 04:59.29 | sjansen | jsmith-docs: nope |
| 04:59.30 | vontrapp | jsmith-docs: any trouble with other dns resolves? |
| 04:59.41 | sjansen | althought test.plug.org and plug.org are now the same machine |
| 04:59.55 | vontrapp | my dns quite working, but that's because falcon was my server |
| 05:00.04 | vontrapp | and falcon is gone now, and hence why hans is gone |
| 05:00.09 | vontrapp | s/quite/quit/ |
| 05:00.56 | jsmith-docs | Strange... it's working fine now. |
| 05:01.02 | jsmith-docs | Must have been a hickup. |
| 05:01.14 | jsmith-docs | A couple other apps lost internet connectivity at the same time. |
| 05:01.58 | sjansen | vontrapp: whack your brother and tell him to steal the old archives if he has to |
| 05:02.30 | brailsmt | s/hickup/hiccup |
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| 05:03.57 | vontrapp | sjansen: steal the old archives for what purpose (and archives of what, for that matter) |
| 05:04.00 | hans | what the flip |
| 05:04.09 | sjansen | hans! |
| 05:04.14 | fozz | sjansen! |
| 05:04.15 | hans | any xmission or quest people having trouble? |
| 05:04.19 | fozz | YES! |
| 05:04.25 | fozz | I am having DNS problems. |
| 05:04.42 | hans | my dns works fine, but half the internet (maybe I'm exaggerating) is inaccessible |
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| 05:05.08 | hans | it seems very random. I can be here (a minute ago I couldn't) but can't ping google. |
| 05:05.17 | jsmith-docs | Looks like XMission had an NRP go out again |
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| 05:07.27 | fozz | I can't resolve any domain names. |
| 05:07.27 | fozz | For example, I just tried to go to newegg.com |
| 05:07.27 | fozz | Firefox cranks and cranks and cranks and then says "www.newegg.com could not be found." |
| 05:07.27 | fozz | *gasps* I wonder if California just sunk into the Pacific!? |
| 05:07.27 | hans | sjansen: I thought they had copied them over, but I'm not seeing them. |
| 05:07.29 | fozz | All those pissed off Bay Area liberals... gone. |
| 05:07.31 | fozz | *sighs* |
| 05:07.37 | hans | fozz: I'd say go check out google, but... |
| 05:07.50 | hans | it'll be a hekuvatime when the internet break.s |
| 05:07.50 | vontrapp | jsmith-docs: give it a purple NRPle |
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| 05:08.32 | hans | I can't remember, is it handy or hanks that has the archives? |
| 05:09.07 | hans | jsmith-docs: does gnophone still work? or is it iax1? |
| 05:10.41 | vontrapp | mmm, better |
| 05:10.45 | LeviHome_ | I'm having net problems too. Arg. |
| 05:11.16 | jsmith-docs | hans: Use iaxcomm |
| 05:11.24 | jsmith-docs | hans: iaxlib.sf.net/iaxcomm I think |
| 05:11.38 | hans | I have it up now, and can't make head or tails of it. |
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| 05:11.54 | LeviHome_ | Thankfully I can still get to gigamonkeys.com, so I can continue reading. |
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| 05:13.26 | orbit | Anybody else here having problems with Xmission's connection? |
| 05:13.42 | jsmith-docs | orbit: They had some DSL problems a bit ago. |
| 05:13.55 | orbit | Yeah, . |
| 05:13.56 | jsmith-docs | orbit: Appears one of their NRPs was wonky. |
| 05:14.01 | jsmith-docs | Seems better now. |
| 05:14.01 | orbit | Seems to be lingering. |
| 05:14.14 | jsmith-docs | Hmmmn... their Nagios isn't reporting any problems any more. |
| 05:14.33 | hans | still can't ping google. |
| 05:14.33 | sjansen | orbit: Do you have the plug list archives? |
| 05:14.42 | jsmith-docs | hans: Funny thing, neither can I. |
| 05:14.53 | jsmith-docs | hans: But I'm not getting DNS for google. |
| 05:14.56 | orbit | Ummmm, I've probably got a lot of em packed away on the old plug server |
| 05:15.09 | hans | i have dns from localhost (216.239.39.99) and I still can't ping it. |
| 05:15.16 | sjansen | orbit, hans: you two need to talk |
| 05:15.45 | jsmith-docs | XMission seems to be blocking some ICMP |
| 05:15.46 | sjansen | about archive and imports and why xmission is boiling hot and whether I'll earn my wings |
| 05:15.50 | jsmith-docs | As I can't ping USU either. |
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| 05:17.16 | LeviHome | I got a google search result, but it was very slow in coming. |
| 05:17.53 | orbit | LeviHome: Are you on xmission too? |
| 05:18.00 | LeviHome | Yup. |
| 05:18.04 | orbit | Hmm. |
| 05:18.17 | jsmith-docs | gmail comes up quickly though |
| 05:18.51 | jsmith-docs | but news.google.com and images.google.com are slow as wel. |
| 05:18.55 | jsmith-docs | s/wel/well/ |
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| 05:19.30 | brailsmt | you guys know how to enable pipelining in firefox, right? |
| 05:19.39 | orbit | google seems speedy for me. |
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| 05:20.27 | orbit | but ancestry.com does not... |
| 05:22.06 | jsmith-docs | Google is fast for me now... |
| 05:22.22 | jsmith-docs | So is ancestry.com |
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| 05:23.23 | vontrapp | brailsmt: pipelining how? |
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| 05:28.02 | Mecworks | jsmith-docs, done with the page. Thanks... |
| 05:29.16 | brailsmt | about:config |
| 05:29.35 | brailsmt | search for pipelining, or google for it... |
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| 05:30.03 | brailsmt | firefox will make several requests in parrallel to the web server to down a page... |
| 05:30.11 | brailsmt | download |
| 05:30.17 | brailsmt | speeds up page loading |
| 05:31.19 | jsmith-docs | brailsmt: Cool... |
| 05:31.39 | brailsmt | my coworker pointed it out |
| 05:32.09 | brailsmt | there is a third setting you need... there are two that are already in the about;config page and then you have to add another... |
| 05:32.43 | RyanE | nglayout.something... |
| 05:33.43 | brailsmt | yeah |
| 05:33.50 | RyanE | create a new integer... |
| 05:33.55 | RyanE | nglayout.initialpaint.delay |
| 05:33.56 | RyanE | set to 0 |
| 05:35.39 | vontrapp | sjansen: fyi, it's because the image, in order to be adjacent to a block level element, was being wrapped in an anonymous block element, which apparently had a margin |
| 05:35.52 | vontrapp | display: block on the image fixed it |
| 05:36.04 | RyanE | is this on the plug demo site? |
| 05:41.51 | goozbach | craig fergison on the lat late show |
| 05:42.03 | goozbach | hmmm |
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| 06:04.37 | jsmith-docs | findlay: What we arguing about? |
| 06:04.51 | Maquis | "The study, to be released Thursday, also found that 14 percent of spam recipients actually read messages to see what they say, and 4 percent of the recipients have bought something advertised through spam within the past year." |
| 06:05.19 | jsmith-docs | Wow -- 4%? That's huge! |
| 06:05.56 | Maquis | i wonder who those people are... are they the same people that buy things from pop-up ads? |
| 06:06.06 | jsmith-docs | Yup, most likely |
| 06:06.18 | bonez41 | they buy and we all suffer |
| 06:06.34 | Maquis | so, if we were to eliminate that 4% of the population, would spam and pop-ups go away? |
| 06:07.20 | jsmith-docs | Maquis: No, because you can't eliminate stupidity. |
| 06:08.31 | Maquis | :( |
| 06:08.49 | findlay | whether Carlos Kliber's reading of the the Allegrretto of Schubert's 3rd Symphony is too quick |
| 06:09.08 | Maquis | the only times i've ever clicked on a pop-up ad, are the times when it popped up, right as i was going to click on something else... |
| 06:09.23 | jsmith-docs | findlay: Nope. Nothing is worse than music played at too slow a tempo. |
| 06:09.36 | jsmith-docs | findlay: It's better too fast than too slow. |
| 06:11.26 | findlay | although Kliber's Schubert discography, indeed his entire discography is quite laconic though of the best quality and musicianship, it lends weight to the considerations he chose for what he recorded |
| 06:14.13 | findlay | but the light and deliberate tempo of this 2nd movement is pure genius, a halmark of Klieber-ness |
| 06:15.08 | jsmith-docs | But aren't his considerations just that -- *his* considersations. That we judge them (for good or evil) is irrelevant. |
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| 06:16.01 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 06:16.09 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 06:16.09 | findlay | Klieber and the WPO connect us with the elusive, placid realm that is special to Schubert in a very splendid way |
| 06:16.49 | findlay | jsmith-docs: yeah like the hymns in sacrament meeting played 25-50% slower than indicated |
| 06:17.17 | jsmith-docs | findlay: You got it, brother. |
| 06:17.19 | findlay | or last Sunday, the music director was directing in 3/4 while the meter was 4/4 |
| 06:17.23 | findlay | quite amusing |
| 06:17.28 | jsmith-docs | findlay: That would do it too. |
| 06:17.41 | findlay | but she wasn't even conductiong on the beat! (: |
| 06:17.51 | findlay | very interesting to watch |
| 06:17.52 | jsmith-docs | findlay: I'm just glad I don't play the organ, or I'd be the one playing it far too slowly. |
| 06:18.03 | findlay | (: |
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| 06:25.09 | jsmith-docs | Later y'all. |
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| 06:39.05 | tene | hmm... I just found my stash of video cards that was hiding when SpecialK came to get a vid card. |
| 06:40.36 | brailsmt | ok, something is screwy when 2GB isn't enough space to build xorg |
| 06:40.47 | tene | quite |
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| 06:46.05 | bonez41 | what's a reasonable price to pay for web hosting, for a site with light commerce......no shopping cart..the purchasing is all handled by paypal.. |
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| 07:00.39 | xbmodder | bonez39, ummm 30 dollars MAX |
| 07:00.39 | xbmodder | 5 dollars |
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| 15:12.31 | goozbach | heh: http://www.sleepinginairports.net/ |
| 15:20.42 | Maquis | morning goo |
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| 15:23.45 | Maquis | goozbach: not that you would know anything about this, right? |
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| 15:37.08 | goozbach | I've slept in my fair share of airports |
| 15:37.32 | goozbach | just two weeks ago I slept in the miami airport for a good two hours |
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| 15:42.35 | xbmodder | hahah |
| 15:42.43 | xbmodder | this is sad.... |
| 15:44.31 | goozbach | xbmodder: it's a fact that sometimes you end up sleeping in the airport |
| 15:45.35 | xbmodder | i know |
| 15:46.18 | xbmodder | actually i stayed up all night to arrive at the airport at 3 AM i slept from 3-5 (5 is when the airport opened) |
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| 15:52.52 | goozbach | why on earth would you want to be at the airport two hours before it opened/ |
| 15:54.00 | hans | to be first in line? |
| 15:54.02 | xbmodder | i did not know this until i got there |
| 15:54.51 | xbmodder | pretty fun tho.... i was up with some friends... |
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| 16:12.52 | bonez39 | any of you use "linneighborhood"? |
| 16:15.51 | hans | have |
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| 16:19.12 | tene | have |
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| 16:20.21 | levi-treo | Good morning! |
| 16:20.26 | tene | coi |
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| 16:20.47 | levi-treo | Eh? |
| 16:20.57 | tene | err... hi |
| 16:22.07 | sjansen | main screen turn on |
| 16:22.28 | levi-treo | Hmm, my connection is bad. |
| 16:22.57 | tene | is it naughty? does it need to be punished? |
| 16:23.48 | sjansen | someone set up it the bomb |
| 16:23.52 | tene | ahh |
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| 16:25.42 | sjansen | levi-treo: You have no chance to survive make your time. |
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| 16:26.08 | tene | for great justice take off every spr |
| 16:28.37 | levi-treo | launch all zig! |
| 16:31.37 | levi-treo | Ahh, that really was a fun meme. |
| 16:31.48 | tene | nodnod |
| 16:37.00 | spr | What you say? |
| 16:37.11 | hans | oh, fun, the eiffel tower is copyrighted. |
| 16:37.17 | hans | http://lwn.net/Articles/121994/ |
| 16:37.17 | tene | o.O |
| 16:37.36 | hans | ibot, cease and desist |
| 16:38.36 | sjansen | Everyone hold your breath until my lawyer can create a proper license for you to buy! |
| 16:38.53 | tene | sjansen: I think I'm infringing on your patent and copyright. I'd like to purchase a license. |
| 16:39.11 | hans | sjansen: I breath water. |
| 16:39.19 | tene | I'll trade Maquis to you for a perpetual license. |
| 16:39.32 | Maquis | hey! |
| 16:39.44 | sjansen | tene: I'm sorry, we don't have the infrastructure in place yet to sell you a license. But if you'd be kind enough to fill out this form admitting you're guild we'll bill you retroactively. |
| 16:39.58 | Maquis | guild? |
| 16:39.59 | tene | can I pay in Maquis? |
| 16:40.10 | sjansen | guilt -- and stop breathing! |
| 16:41.02 | Maquis | |lart tene |
| 16:41.13 | tene | |Maquis lart |
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| 16:41.25 | Maquis | hans: why won't brigham stay online? |
| 16:41.30 | tene | coi brigym. |
| 16:41.33 | sjansen | tene: I think I'm going to have to add a surcharge for currency conversion. |
| 16:41.54 | Maquis | so, ummm... how much am i worth? |
| 16:41.58 | tene | will Maquis' choes cover the surcharge? |
| 16:42.02 | tene | shoes, even? |
| 16:42.19 | sjansen | I'm afraid not. |
| 16:42.40 | tene | curses |
| 16:42.46 | sjansen | You see I was assuming you would also be providing resources to properly clothe and feed a Maquis for one month. |
| 16:42.55 | tene | ~lart Maquis for not having expensive shoes |
| 16:43.01 | tene | well of course. |
| 16:43.28 | tene | but shoes aren't included in the standard clothing set |
| 16:44.09 | tene | you can also have... err... Maquis' roommate? |
| 16:44.10 | sjansen | Of course they are! And if you're going to be this difficult, I'm going to have to revoke your breathing license effective immediately. |
| 16:44.18 | Maquis | wait... is my license to breath included in this? because you don't really want me dead, now do you? |
| 16:44.22 | sjansen | Perhaps hans will teach you to breath water. |
| 16:44.32 | tene | curses, foiled again! |
| 16:44.37 | tene | ... ... |
| 16:44.54 | sjansen | Maquis: Well now that all depends on whether tene manages to deliver. |
| 16:44.56 | tene | Yay, now I'm sjansen! |
| 16:45.26 | sjansen | Ha! Missed! That was a holographic projection of my good twin. |
| 16:45.29 | Maquis | wow... he's been stabbed in the heart, and had his blood umm... drinken? and he's still talking! |
| 16:45.36 | hans | Maquis: because brigham breaths air |
| 16:45.40 | Maquis | sjansen: you have a good twin? |
| 16:45.41 | tene | no, it was holographic blood. |
| 16:45.49 | Maquis | hans: oh... i see... |
| 16:46.09 | Maquis | levi-treo: can't do that... |
| 16:46.11 | Maquis | i copyrighted copyrights |
| 16:46.13 | Maquis | and licensing |
| 16:46.14 | sjansen | I suppose I could accept payment from Maquis in the form of a tene, although I don't think they're worth as much so it won't be a perpetual license. |
| 16:46.27 | Maquis | i'll pay |
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| 16:48.25 | Maquis | sjansen: ??? |
| 16:48.29 | sjansen | Yep, here it is. The contract stating that you will not reveal the information gained working here for a period of ten years. |
| 16:48.46 | sjansen | Maquis: I'm afraid you've broken our contract by revealing my trade secrets. |
| 16:48.53 | Maquis | sjansen: too bad |
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| 16:48.57 | Maquis | i'm gone and out of the contract |
| 16:49.06 | sjansen | I'm going to have to take possession of everything you own, have created, and ever will create. |
| 16:49.26 | sjansen | Maquis: You forgot about the non-compete clause. |
| 16:49.40 | tene | Maquis: by "lead pipe" do you mean "|"? |
| 16:49.53 | Maquis | | --> sjansen |
| 16:50.05 | tene | | leading, or preceding something? |
| 16:50.06 | brigham | no idea |
| 16:50.16 | tene | such as, for example, "lart"? |
| 16:50.36 | tene | >.> |
| 16:50.37 | tene | <.< |
| 16:50.57 | Maquis | *crack* |
| 16:52.26 | hans | cat | dog |
| 16:52.44 | hans | |dream |
| 16:52.51 | tene | that you're a violent hedonist? |
| 16:53.57 | sjansen | i'm sjansen !!!! :) |
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| 16:58.17 | Maquis | so, sjansen... er... phaedrus, how goes that work with ldap? |
| 16:59.26 | hans | ~motorcycle {Phaedrus} |
| 16:59.39 | hans | ~maintain {Phaedrus} |
| 16:59.48 | hans | ibot, don't you know anything? |
| 16:59.56 | tene | ibot, sing |
| 16:59.57 | ibot | "Night fever, night fever. You know how to do it!" |
| 17:00.15 | Bradipo | Hmm, looks like the last PLUG emails I received were on the 31st. |
| 17:00.16 | tene | |lart | |
| 17:00.21 | Bradipo | I wonder what happened to my PLUG subscription... |
| 17:00.30 | tene | brigham stole it |
| 17:00.56 | Maquis | Bradipo: you haven't missed much... |
| 17:01.05 | {Phaedrus} | http://www.sleepinginairports.net/ |
| 17:01.21 | Bradipo | I noticed also that gmail stopped being able to apply the right Label to my plug traffic. |
| 17:01.39 | Maquis | {Phaedrus}: you're a bit late... that got posted almost 2 hours ago |
| 17:02.55 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, it's all hans' fault |
| 17:02.57 | tene | http://www.roadkill.net/madmins/CAT509pro.html |
| 17:03.17 | vontrapp | he just changed the name and list-id, and flooded my inbox with plug mailings |
| 17:03.21 | {Phaedrus} | Okay, fine, how many have seen this one? http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20050202_294.html#4 |
| 17:03.31 | Bradipo | Oh, I see: http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ptr.ch?ip=222.102.105.19 |
| 17:03.42 | Bradipo | Er rather, http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ptr.ch?ip=63.108.71.211 |
| 17:04.02 | hans | Bradipo: that's not my fault. I asked for it. :) |
| 17:04.10 | Bradipo | Haha. |
| 17:05.28 | hans | and let me also say that plug was almost dead for a week before the switch. you can't blame me for not knowing that there would be a sudden surge of off-topicness right after the switch |
| 17:05.34 | Bradipo | I see, so now its plug@plug.org not pluglist@plug.org? |
| 17:05.42 | hans | or maybe broken filters made people give more attention? |
| 17:05.51 | Bradipo | Possibly. |
| 17:05.51 | hans | Bradipo: yes |
| 17:05.56 | Jayce^ | think the filters brought that on |
| 17:06.13 | hans | so in a way, I revived the list. |
| 17:06.33 | hans | community resuscitation. my specialty. |
| 17:06.33 | Bradipo | I usually avoid using the To header for filtering, but gmail doesn't really offer many choices. |
| 17:06.56 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, he also changed the List-ID |
| 17:07.05 | Bradipo | Oh man. |
| 17:07.10 | Bradipo | lol |
| 17:07.12 | hans | Bradipo: my mistake was thinking people were as lazy as me. my list-id filter just looked for ^List-Id:.*plug |
| 17:07.16 | hans | and it didn't fail. |
| 17:07.24 | hans | others were apparently more thorough. |
| 17:07.31 | Bradipo | I usually am more specific. |
| 17:07.46 | Jayce^ | hans, see, I was also in KPlug, so I had to be more specific |
| 17:08.24 | {Phaedrus} | vague rules cause unexpected side effects, generally a bad this to do |
| 17:08.36 | Bradipo | Now, if only you had enabled [PLUG] in the subject, a long time ago, this wouldn't be a problem now. ;-) |
| 17:10.32 | hans | what a waste of space. I know I'm reading plug because I'm in the plug folder. I would rather see the subject, which is useful information, than [list-name] everywhere |
| 17:10.39 | Bradipo | I was kidding. |
| 17:10.47 | hans | now, if [list-name] could be postpended on the subject, that might be worth something. |
| 17:10.54 | hans | I know. :) |
| 17:10.56 | Bradipo | I couldn't stand Subject modifications either. |
| 17:12.51 | hans | {Phaedrus} here could turn psychiatrist and perhaps find an unconscious need in me to make some disruption to make up for the fact that I couldn't bring myself to cause a _real_ ruckus by removing the reply-to, and so deluded myself into thinking changing the list name wouldn't be that big a deal |
| 17:14.06 | Bradipo | Then there's still the issue of no PTR. :-) |
| 17:14.20 | Bradipo | That's what got me, not the header changes. |
| 17:14.33 | hans | Bradipo: I think you're one of the few who notices that. :) But you gotta bug Jayce^ for the PTR. |
| 17:14.54 | Bradipo | Although, actually, I was filtering on Reply-To: pluglist@plug.org |
| 17:15.06 | Bradipo | So, I guess that would have got me too. |
| 17:16.20 | Bradipo | So what of it Jayce^, how about getting PTR on the new list server? :-) |
| 17:16.50 | Bradipo | That is the magic incantation that will release all of the flood from your server to mine. |
| 17:17.32 | {Phaedrus} | _I_ know that I'm not going to go mucking about on the plug server where I don't belong. But I want _you_ to know it. |
| 17:17.39 | {Phaedrus} | Just been too lazy to write the sudo rules. |
| 17:18.36 | Bradipo | So, is naboo no longer going to send me email? If so, I'll remove it from my greylist whitelist. |
| 17:21.04 | hans | Bradipo: it shouldn't, unless someone posts to it because their dns is hosed. |
| 17:24.05 | {Phaedrus} | "While 2.6.10 is looking much better its long period meant the allegedly "official" base kernel was a complete pile of insecure donkey turd for months." -- Alan Cox |
| 17:24.42 | Bradipo | Anyone here using SORBS? |
| 17:25.07 | hans | is that a soap product? |
| 17:29.04 | Bradipo | SORBS is an RBL. |
| 17:29.19 | Bradipo | Lists Dynamic IPs, proxies, HTTP proxies, etc... |
| 17:30.06 | Bradipo | Seems to be pretty effective. |
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| 17:32.27 | hans | I still don't know which song is which, or what the words are, on this new erasure album. |
| 17:32.54 | joshc | you are a brave man |
| 17:33.07 | sjansen | hans: Maybe if you work for joshc he'll let you spend an hour each day on "music appreciation". ;-) |
| 17:33.08 | joshc | to admit to owning a erasure alblum. let alone a new one. ;-) |
| 17:33.34 | hans | vontrapp: have you tried my CD case? I think I might still have it. |
| 17:33.47 | joshc | that's right - 20% of your work hours may be dedicated to better understanding music. |
| 17:33.48 | vontrapp | remind me next time i'm over |
| 17:33.57 | hans | joshc: I'm afraid you might find yourself outnumbered here. Or at least a 50/50 split |
| 17:34.02 | joshc | lol. |
| 17:34.24 | hans | but you can be redeemed if you express appreciation for another good group |
| 17:34.25 | joshc | you're assuming i'm taking sides. |
| 17:34.38 | hans | :) |
| 17:34.50 | joshc | i would probably make similar admission if this channel wasnt logged.. |
| 17:35.07 | hans | I own more erasure CDs than any other except Bach. |
| 17:35.22 | hans | ~lart vontrapp's hard rock |
| 17:35.36 | hans | how dare it try to outshout my blessed organ music? |
| 17:35.55 | hans | don't those rock musicians know that the organ is more powerful than they? |
| 17:36.18 | hans | puny guitar, needs electric amplification. Even the drums. The organ just _is_ loud. |
| 17:36.27 | vontrapp | hans: so sorry about the organ thing, really, i am, i just wanted to hear a particular song, then xmms went off on it's own thing |
| 17:36.45 | hans | I forgive you my son. |
| 17:36.48 | hans | er, brother. whatever. |
| 17:37.03 | hans | the fun part that evening was really 'pkill fvwm' |
| 17:37.10 | vontrapp | haha |
| 17:37.18 | vontrapp | and the festival warnings |
| 17:37.22 | vontrapp | :) |
| 17:37.33 | vontrapp | "luke, i am your flavor" |
| 17:39.15 | joshc | who would win in a fight, brigham or ibot? |
| 17:39.21 | sjansen | ibot |
| 17:39.23 | hans | 'brigham |
| 17:39.24 | brigham | brigham is the Lion of the Lord |
| 17:39.25 | sjansen | ~bzfrag brigham |
| 17:39.27 | ibot | ACTION squishes brigham with a steamroller |
| 17:39.28 | hans | ~ibot? |
| 17:39.29 | ibot | i guess ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. a bigot, or the man, or a girl |
| 17:39.50 | hans | which sounds more threatening? |
| 17:40.05 | joshc | that's a tough one. |
| 17:40.23 | joshc | a bigot, the man or a girl? |
| 17:40.23 | sjansen | now consider that ibot is older, wiser, and has op |
| 17:40.31 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 17:40.32 | ibot | I'm male |
| 17:40.48 | sjansen | ~gender |
| 17:40.49 | ibot | I'm lesbian |
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| 17:41.01 | joshc | that's confusing. |
| 17:41.03 | sjansen | hmm, hadn't seen that one before |
| 17:41.08 | vontrapp | ~gender |
| 17:41.09 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 17:41.15 | tene | |gender |
| 17:41.16 | joshc | even more confusing. |
| 17:42.03 | vontrapp | ~gender |
| 17:42.04 | ibot | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 17:42.08 | Bradipo | Anyone know of a good fast document scanner? |
| 17:42.10 | vontrapp | ~lart ibot |
| 17:42.17 | Bradipo | High speed being the key word here. |
| 17:42.43 | hans | I never tire of seeing different ways of coding state machines. |
| 17:42.55 | joshc | bradipo - dont know. |
| 17:43.15 | vontrapp | Bradipo: convert it to bar codes and use a laser? |
| 17:43.22 | joshc | did you know that frigidaire used to make .50 cal machine guns? |
| 17:43.26 | Bradipo | Haha. |
| 17:43.53 | sjansen | joshc: I think that more useful for destroying documents than scanning them.\ |
| 17:43.55 | tene | Bradipo: incinerate the documents and feed them into the floppy drive. |
| 17:44.03 | vontrapp | "Take cover kids! The fridge has gone Rambo!!" |
| 17:44.13 | Bradipo | Looks like I missed out on some good discussions on PLUG due to this mailing list change: OT: CompUSA Collecting personal information / Is this a trend? |
| 17:44.22 | Bradipo | Reglion. |
| 17:44.25 | joshc | lol |
| 17:44.52 | joshc | here - i'll send another email under that thread... |
| 17:44.56 | hans | Bradipo: like we said, you didn't miss much. |
| 17:45.26 | hans | just the perennial sasha on one extreme and everyone else weigh in |
| 17:45.57 | joshc | sasha says "i boycot non-word-of-wisdom conforming stores" |
| 17:46.15 | joshc | and others say "hey, utah should be more tolerant of other religions" |
| 17:46.23 | hans | personally I liked the idea of boycotting country-music-selling stores |
| 17:46.29 | vontrapp | where would you get groceries? |
| 17:46.44 | RyanE | the most expensive place, apparently |
| 17:46.54 | tene | compusa, of course |
| 17:46.56 | joshc | and then it sort of turned into "should religious be reflected in legislation" |
| 17:47.11 | joshc | or something like that |
| 17:47.12 | Bradipo | hans: Actually, there is one email that I thought would be worth replying to. |
| 17:47.18 | hans | don't forget gun control |
| 17:47.39 | joshc | oh yeah - "alcohol are like guns - both hurt people" |
| 17:47.40 | Bradipo | Art Pollard brought up free market economy and government in the same email... |
| 17:48.08 | sjansen | "Here's a loaded gun. Point it at yourself." If the person does, they don't get to keep the gun. |
| 17:48.12 | joshc | and i rattled off a bunch of "alcohol is bad" statistics |
| 17:48.19 | vontrapp | gun control - wheels, motors and servo's for your gun |
| 17:48.28 | hans | yeah, that was a good email. I liked the approach - here are the facts, draw your conclusion. |
| 17:48.32 | hans | joshc++ |
| 17:49.16 | joshc | i'm just a statistics junkie |
| 17:49.39 | RyanE | sounds like a 'junkie statistics junkie'. |
| 17:49.40 | hans | that must be why you like big systems. the stats float to the surface. |
| 17:49.45 | joshc | lol |
| 17:50.02 | joshc | law of large numbers makes for good fun |
| 17:50.17 | joshc | and nice looking mrtg graphs |
| 17:50.29 | hans | I agree |
| 17:50.43 | hans | small systems are so unpredictable. |
| 17:51.21 | joshc | so are big systems - but the difference is, you dont really have an excuse with the big ones. |
| 17:51.45 | joshc | because 'in theory' they should be easier to predict. |
| 17:52.45 | hans | or, your predictions tend to be more accurate. |
| 17:53.03 | levi | I like small systems. |
| 17:53.05 | joshc | kind of like weather prediction. lol. |
| 17:53.06 | hans | doesn't that hold true, in general? I mean, yes, they can still be unpredictable... |
| 17:54.11 | hans | :) I took a meteorology class. neat stuff. predicting the weather in the near future is actually quite accurate, if you don't predict too many details. of course as time goes on more and more unknowns come in and change things all around |
| 17:54.12 | joshc | well, sort of true - but actually, most of us spend our time working on individual systems, and so we get used to how an single system behaves. |
| 17:54.48 | hans | weather is definitely an example of a BIG system though, and one that's not entirely grokable (at least not nwo) |
| 17:54.52 | hans | now |
| 17:54.54 | joshc | so when we work on something 10-100-1000 times bigger, we feel out of place, and nothing works the way we expect it to. |
| 17:55.05 | hans | yeah, that's the truth. |
| 17:55.16 | joshc | my wife is really into weather. i really cant stand watching the weather people on tv. |
| 17:55.21 | joshc | i have to leave the room. |
| 17:55.44 | hans | joshc: I don't pay them any heed. I go straight to the source. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/forecasts/UTZ004.php?warncounty=UTC049&city=Provo |
| 17:55.55 | joshc | i dont know why - i think they talk to much. all they need to do is show one picture on the screen for like 5 seconds and get it over with. |
| 17:55.59 | hans | especially the forecast discussion. |
| 17:56.12 | joshc | ah - lemme check out that link... |
| 17:56.27 | RyanE | and they do that creepy 'don't show me on camera for a minute so I can go back to the desk like magic' trick... |
| 17:57.13 | joshc | good link. thanks. |
| 17:57.47 | joshc | have you used weatherbug? it's kinda funny. they've got like over 50 million users. |
| 17:57.51 | vontrapp | gak!! that site has issues at larger fonts |
| 17:58.29 | levi | I never saw weatherbug until I played around with my dad's computer. |
| 17:59.18 | vontrapp | |lart fixed-width, fixed-size web pages |
| 18:00.15 | vontrapp | brigham? |
| 18:00.24 | hans | 0 7 * * * wget -q -O - http://www.crh.noaa.gov/data/SLC/AFDSLC | mail -s "Area Forecast Discussion" fugalh |
| 18:00.31 | joshc | brigham, are you a city? |
| 18:00.47 | joshc | brigham is asleep. |
| 18:01.09 | joshc | or maybe swapped out to disk. |
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| 18:17.24 | joshc | poor brigham |
| 18:19.32 | brailsmt | is there a way in perl to do something like "$foo =~ tr/abc/$var/"? and have the values in $var replace 'abc'? |
| 18:19.46 | tene | that doesn't work like you wrote? |
| 18:20.49 | brailsmt | tene: no |
| 18:21.04 | brailsmt | it replaces 'abc' with '$va' |
| 18:21.10 | tene | o.O |
| 18:25.03 | tene | you should remap your 'e' key |
| 18:25.07 | tene | to 'caps lock' |
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| 18:30.45 | hans | hH, THAT WOULD B fun. |
| 18:31.15 | tene | yS IT WOULD B vRY xciting. |
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| 18:44.14 | tensai_ | brailsmt: you could use an eval statement. eval "\$foo =~ tr/abc/$var/"; |
| 18:46.20 | Bradipo | Does PLUG have a searchable archive? |
| 18:46.34 | joshc | stfw |
| 18:46.42 | joshc | i mean |
| 18:46.44 | joshc | yes, it does. |
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| 18:47.09 | joshc | try typing 'plug archive' in your favorite search engine. |
| 18:47.41 | mrpull | the archives were a bit screwy yesterday. |
| 18:47.42 | mrpull | :-/ |
| 18:47.58 | Bradipo | Yeah, I wonder how many different PLUGs I'll hit before I find our PLUG... |
| 18:47.59 | bbeattie | Hmm, I'm looking at getting a shuttle (SB75S) It's socket 478 and right now I'm trying to get a hold of which CPU is which.. Mwave lists a P4 3.2ghz CPU as an E or EG and newegg lists as Extreme. Some are prescott, some are northwood. .. Some have 512k cache some 1MB, some 2MB.. which My main concern is what an E vs EG is, and which is worth the money (2mb for $800 isn't) And although I prefer to go with a northwood due to lower heat output, it seems pr |
| 18:48.00 | bbeattie | escott's are cheaper (and newer?) |
| 18:48.00 | mrpull | only going back a couple days |
| 18:48.44 | bbeattie | Is EG = Prescott and E= Northwood?.. noone likes to use the same terms. ;) |
| 18:48.46 | Bradipo | And this doesn't appear searchable to me.http://www.plug.org/pipermail/plug/ |
| 18:49.10 | Bradipo | Any reason why we don't subscribe archive@mail-archive.com to PLUG? |
| 18:49.29 | joshc | sure it's searchable. |
| 18:49.37 | Bradipo | Yeah, ctrl-f isn't my idea of search. |
| 18:49.51 | joshc | lol. |
| 18:49.56 | joshc | i kid. |
| 18:50.06 | Bradipo | But its better than nothing I suppose. |
| 18:50.21 | Bradipo | Better than no archive at all. |
| 18:50.23 | joshc | yeah, it'd be nice if the whole thing was searchable. |
| 18:50.36 | Bradipo | Again, subscribing archive@mail-archive.com would solve that. |
| 18:50.52 | joshc | how is that? |
| 18:51.04 | Bradipo | mail-archive.com is a major archiver of mailing lists. |
| 18:51.09 | Bradipo | Free to boot. |
| 18:51.12 | Bradipo | And searchable. |
| 18:51.25 | Bradipo | http://www.mail-archive.com/lists.html |
| 18:51.56 | joshc | hm - interesting |
| 18:53.26 | joshc | well, you should take that up with the powers that be. |
| 18:53.30 | Bradipo | It used to be hosted by VA Linux. |
| 18:53.38 | joshc | poor va linux. :-( |
| 18:53.45 | hans | Bradipo: I'm for it, unless Jayce^ vetos |
| 18:53.55 | joshc | we used to buy millions of dollars of va linux equipment. |
| 18:54.25 | hans | the pre-switch archives are on naboo. unfortunately it doesn't direct naboo.plug.org to the plug virtual host |
| 18:54.28 | hans | so you can't get to them. |
| 18:54.34 | hans | unless you edit your /etc/hosts I guess. |
| 18:55.01 | Bradipo | If mail-archive.com is used, you can send in all the old archives and it will automatically index and put them in order. |
| 18:55.01 | hans | we're supposed to get them copied over but we keep missing eachotehr |
| 18:55.37 | joshc | archives creep me out. |
| 18:56.03 | hans | one time I was trying to get something working for the second time (never did the first time) |
| 18:56.23 | joshc | our society has never really experienced super easily searchable and accessible archives before. |
| 18:56.25 | hans | and I came across this post that precisely defined my problem in google groups. I had that nice feeling that at least someone has had the same problem |
| 18:56.34 | joshc | and it will be weird to see how it works out in the next few decades. |
| 18:56.37 | hans | then I realized it was my own email |
| 18:57.31 | vontrapp | haha |
| 18:57.56 | joshc | vontrapp is laughing |
| 19:01.45 | joshc | ttyl |
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| 19:16.13 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 19:18.33 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
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| 19:19.16 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 19:19.25 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 19:19.38 | Maquis | sjansen: you came back to life? |
| 19:20.53 | goozbach | stupid heavy lunches |
| 19:21.04 | Maquis | mmmmmm lunch!! |
| 19:21.09 | Maquis | goozbach: how goes the class? |
| 19:21.24 | Maquis | |lart Captain |
| 19:22.21 | Maquis | hey!!! |
| 19:22.26 | Maquis | i want my | back!!! |
| 19:22.41 | Maquis | |steal lead Pipe |
| 19:24.26 | Maquis | |--> specialk |
| 19:26.02 | tene | hey SpecialK, remember how I couldn't find those vid cards when you came to get stuff from me? |
| 19:26.45 | tene | Hey Maquis, know anyone familiar with arabic? |
| 19:28.02 | goozbach | class goes well |
| 19:28.33 | Maquis | :) |
| 19:28.48 | goozbach | His stuff any good? |
| 19:28.52 | Maquis | dunno |
| 19:29.00 | tene | ~pord Maquis |
| 19:31.36 | tene | |lart Maquis |
| 19:37.25 | someone_else | tene, yeah? |
| 19:38.04 | someone_else | -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else |
| 19:38.13 | tene | I just found them. |
| 19:38.23 | someone_else | I own everybody's nick's! |
| 19:38.41 | tene | you don't own sjansen's. |
| 19:39.08 | someone_else | when he logs in it will tell him it belongs to someone else. |
| 19:39.20 | goozbach | you don't own mine |
| 19:39.39 | tene | hehe |
| 19:41.01 | sjansen | Maquis: That's like so three hours ago. |
| 19:41.06 | someone_else | |urls |
| 19:41.06 | brigham | [2005/02/03 10:04:50] <ibot> http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ |
| 19:41.07 | brigham | [2005/02/03 09:29:04] <Bradipo> http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ptr.ch?ip=63.108.71.211 |
| 19:41.07 | brigham | [2005/02/03 09:28:53] <Bradipo> http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ptr.ch?ip=222.102.105.19 |
| 19:41.07 | brigham | [2005/02/03 09:28:43] <{Phaedrus}> http://www.kerneltraffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt20050202_294.html#4 |
| 19:41.34 | Maquis | sjansen: pffffftttt!!!! |
| 19:42.27 | tene | anyone here know any arabic speakers? |
| 19:42.52 | sjansen | Jon D. on the UUG list does. |
| 19:43.43 | emcnabb | you might want to talk to torriem, he knows several |
| 19:47.36 | Maquis | tene: that's right... torriem knows some arabic... |
| 19:57.32 | emcnabb | I don't know about how much he knows though |
| 20:01.39 | goozbach | 0.8 not bad |
| 20:01.58 | goozbach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale |
| 20:20.41 | sjansen | Where does the ruby mixin idea come from? |
| 20:21.44 | tene | NAT + port forwarding == borken. |
| 20:21.46 | tene | every month or two I pester my ISP about IPv6 |
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| 20:22.37 | levi | sjansen: You want to know where the mixin concept came from, or something about Ruby specifically? |
| 20:22.55 | sjansen | Where the mixin concept came from. |
| 20:23.43 | vontrapp | sjansen: from some japanese guy? |
| 20:25.22 | levi | sjansen: From lisp, of course. :) |
| 20:25.47 | levi | At least that's what this doc says: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-diag1203/ |
| 20:27.20 | levi | Ward's Wiki talks about it, too: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?MixIn |
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| 20:32.43 | levi | sjansen: What made you ask about mixins? |
| 20:38.25 | sjansen | auxilary classes in ldap schemas are basically mixins |
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| 20:47.26 | jakea | stuporglue, you out there? |
| 20:56.34 | scott_ | anyone know of a good free (not annoying) cd burning program for windows? |
| 20:57.30 | hans | cdrecord |
| 20:58.51 | emcnabb | ~lart jakea |
| 21:00.30 | mrpull | xp cdburner pro (or something like that) |
| 21:01.10 | mrpull | http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ |
| 21:03.08 | jakea | darn larting emcnabbs |
| 21:03.45 | jakea | well, emcnabb, you dream has finally come true |
| 21:04.10 | jakea | http://www.trektoday.com/news/020205_04.shtml |
| 21:04.18 | jakea | after 18 years, no more trek on TV |
| 21:04.27 | emcnabb | happy day |
| 21:04.30 | emcnabb | happy day |
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| 21:10.15 | sjansen | star trek fans are almost as stupid as star wars fans |
| 21:10.37 | emcnabb | sjansen and I actually agree on something! |
| 21:10.43 | sjansen | oh, and no one should be allowed to own guns |
| 21:10.43 | tene | what about fanfiction writers who make crossovers? |
| 21:10.51 | sjansen | and everyone should be required to hug a tree daily |
| 21:11.08 | emcnabb | whatever pluma guy |
| 21:11.22 | tene | and change all the trek chars to furries? |
| 21:11.53 | jakea | sjansen, I would actually rate the population of Trek fans as dumber than Star Wars, myself and hans of course being not dumb |
| 21:12.24 | jakea | since we are outliners |
| 21:13.10 | tene | You are smart? |
| 21:13.13 | tene | You can make things go? |
| 21:13.17 | jakea | lol |
| 21:13.49 | jakea | I'd have to see what facors you base your opinions of episdoes on to judge if you are dumb or not |
| 21:14.02 | tene | *blinkblink* |
| 21:14.15 | jakea | or if you, as many who like to bash the show, make up facts or twist the facts just so you can complain |
| 21:14.23 | tene | you judge intelligence based one... the rating system of trek episodes? |
| 21:14.34 | tene | o.O |
| 21:14.38 | jakea | +t |
| 21:14.55 | tene | on, even |
| 21:16.42 | Bradipo | I judge intelligence based on the rating system of Dr Who episodes. |
| 21:16.51 | jakea | ha ha |
| 21:19.33 | jakea | basically if they nitpick to death, they are dumb |
| 21:20.17 | jakea | so since people like to nitpick to death, Lucas had to add the following to Empire: |
| 21:20.30 | jakea | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.30 | jakea | Luke- Ben? |
| 21:20.30 | jakea | OB1- You will go to the Dagobah system, there you will learn from Yoda, a Jedi master that did not directly train me. I was actually trained by a Jedi named Qui Gon Jin, but you cannot learn from him, because he is dead. He was killed by a Sith named Darth Maul. Yoda taught us when we were really young, then when we became older Padawans we were trained by a master. Yoda was an old frog looking creature who was one of the heads of the Jedi Counsel. Did I |
| 21:20.31 | jakea | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:20.35 | jakea | hen I dissapeared. Oh well Luke looks dead. I need you to let your girlfriend know that she is our new last hope. |
| 21:23.25 | goozbach | heh |
| 21:24.33 | jakea | what do you teach goozbach? |
| 21:24.44 | sjansen | jakea: you're no fun, I was hoping to get a rise out of you and goozbach (and Maquis with a little luck) |
| 21:25.07 | jakea | sorry, but I actually agree with you |
| 21:25.14 | goozbach | jakea: I'm teaching a RH class right now |
| 21:25.22 | goozbach | linux courses in general |
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| 21:25.46 | goozbach | actually a RH class for IBM |
| 21:26.10 | mrpull | oh no... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6739462231 |
| 21:29.13 | wps | how do you list what groups a user belongs to? |
| 21:29.39 | vontrapp | as the user, type groups |
| 21:29.53 | wps | I've done it before but my mind is drawing a blank |
| 21:29.54 | wps | thanks |
| 21:29.57 | vontrapp | or grep -e '^<user>' /etc/passwd |
| 21:30.19 | vontrapp | er, /etc/groups/ |
| 21:30.25 | vontrapp | without the / even |
| 21:30.25 | tene | u'i |
| 21:31.08 | sjansen | id <username> |
| 21:31.22 | wps | ah... that's even better |
| 21:32.12 | vontrapp | actually, that grep thing was just right out |
| 21:33.39 | brailsmt | how do I get an array slice in perl/ |
| 21:33.41 | brailsmt | ? |
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| 21:35.20 | sjansen | not as easily as python, that's for sure |
| 21:37.13 | brailsmt | or ruby |
| 21:38.17 | vontrapp | or php :-p |
| 21:38.38 | sjansen | does php have good slice support? must have missed that |
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| 21:38.56 | vontrapp | has a function called array_slice, so i imagine it does |
| 21:39.44 | tene | and utf_unicode_array_reg_ext_slice_and_dice() |
| 21:40.16 | sjansen | don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of python, but that's nothing compared to what python slices can do |
| 21:40.31 | tene | python slices win |
| 21:40.37 | levi | Python slices are cool. |
| 21:40.53 | vontrapp | what do they do that's so cool? |
| 21:41.10 | Jayce^ | basic slice is just @array[1,3] for 1 and 3 |
| 21:41.17 | levi | Dude. If sjansen and I agree on it, it has to be right. |
| 21:43.09 | vontrapp | so (python example in ruby syntax, yeah, whatever) ['a','b','c','d'][1,3] would be ['b','d'] ? |
| 21:43.28 | Jayce^ | same syntax as perl :) |
| 21:44.44 | Jayce^ | for range, you can just use .. eg @array[1..5] |
| 21:44.50 | sjansen | it's been a while since I read about python slices, but python can basically slice, dice, fry, and season all at once |
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| 21:59.59 | levi | Here's the full Python slicing syntax: http://docs.python.org/ref/slicings.html |
| 22:01.01 | bbeattie | Any reason anyone can think of that is a good point for putting 1GB of ram in a P4 3.2ghz system rather than 512MB? |
| 22:01.14 | RyanE | video editing |
| 22:01.36 | bbeattie | 512MB's isn't enough? |
| 22:02.16 | RyanE | I've heard it eats the RAM, but as I don't do it, can't say for sure. |
| 22:02.28 | hans | not for serious video editing. but hobby editing, you probably wouldn't notice. |
| 22:02.43 | levi | Here's a quick reference on sequence types that includes slicing: http://rgruet.free.fr/PQR2.3.html#SequenceTypes |
| 22:02.56 | tensai_ | for opening 700MB tcpdump files in ethereal |
| 22:03.39 | tensai_ | I've got 512 in my workstation and I'd say 98% of the time it's sufficient |
| 22:04.48 | hans | I've got a gig and never hit swap. I've got 512 at home and haven't hit swap yet |
| 22:04.53 | bbeattie | This would be for casual desktop, viewing HD TV, and gaming. Right now I can do both just fine with almost 256MB.. But for building a new system with 2 banks and doing dual channel I have to buy once - So I'm wondering if there's a good reason to go with 1GB when 512MB seems fine now. |
| 22:05.03 | hans | but then I haven't done biig audio file editing since I got 512 either |
| 22:05.28 | RyanE | what's the price difference? |
| 22:06.05 | RyanE | sometimes if the difference isn't too great, buying peace of mind is worth it. |
| 22:06.36 | bbeattie | $60 vs $120 |
| 22:07.21 | RyanE | I'd do it only because it's easier to go to the well only once... :) |
| 22:08.23 | bbeattie | I'm not married but on my own budget.. so the well is almost dry and hopefully won't later in the future. ;) |
| 22:09.55 | JoshH | a gig made a huge, huge difference for me in doom3, half life 2, and far cry, but 512 was more than enough for just about everything else i did. |
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| 22:16.26 | vontrapp | oops, didn't mean to do that |
| 22:17.08 | vontrapp | if one were making a .bat file to run a program from a usb drive, how would one get the drive letter of the usb drive? |
| 22:17.48 | RyanE | without asking the user? |
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| 22:17.57 | vontrapp | yeah |
| 22:18.07 | RyanE | don't know how, as they could have multiple USB drives plugged in |
| 22:18.16 | tene | whyfor, vontrapp? |
| 22:18.22 | vontrapp | for my brother |
| 22:18.32 | vontrapp | running gaim off a usb drive |
| 22:18.42 | tene | why do you need the drive letter? |
| 22:18.45 | vontrapp | for the --config= option |
| 22:18.52 | tene | .ua |
| 22:18.56 | tene | hrmm |
| 22:19.07 | tene | I take it there's no pwd or equivalent in dos |
| 22:19.19 | vontrapp | i don't know |
| 22:19.25 | hans | that would be too useful. |
| 22:21.02 | vontrapp | ack, violent sneeze attack |
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| 22:25.29 | natester | tene: cd |
| 22:26.31 | tene | natester: ?? |
| 22:27.10 | natester | tene: doens't cd give you the pwd ? |
| 22:27.21 | tene | I dunno |
| 22:27.26 | tene | wait, no it doesn't |
| 22:27.28 | tene | just changes the dir |
| 22:27.29 | natester | oh maybe $CWD |
| 22:27.38 | tene | dunno, ask vontrapp |
| 22:27.41 | tene | he's the one playing with dos |
| 22:27.56 | natester | vontrapp: cd |
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| 22:32.11 | vontrapp | cd does give the current directory |
| 22:32.21 | vontrapp | but now how do i put that into a command |
| 22:32.33 | vontrapp | eg, like gaim --config=`cd` |
| 22:36.32 | tene | vontrapp: you could try testing for the existance of that file on each drive letter. |
| 22:37.45 | tene | vontrapp: check 'man dos' |
| 22:37.49 | tene | and 'man batch-file' |
| 22:38.09 | vontrapp | hmm, no such man pages |
| 22:39.08 | vontrapp | bah, it's just %CD% |
| 22:39.20 | tene | hehe |
| 22:40.03 | tene | http://neil.moon-beam.com/users/kris/index.htm |
| 22:40.44 | vontrapp | fashionable for sure |
| 22:41.24 | tene | oh yes |
| 22:42.55 | vontrapp | actually, the 3d concept looks kinda cool |
| 22:43.49 | vontrapp | just get it to be powered by that paint on solar cell stuff and your good to go |
| 22:44.17 | vontrapp | or powered by the electrical impulses in your finger |
| 22:44.27 | tene | or powered by plutonium |
| 22:45.03 | sjansen | # spouseName |
| 22:45.03 | sjansen | # single valued (/me smirks) |
| 22:45.03 | sjansen | attributetype ( 1.3.6.1.4.1.8506.1.2.8 |
| 22:45.03 | sjansen | NAME 'spouseName' |
| 22:45.03 | sjansen | SUP name |
| 22:45.04 | sjansen | SINGLE-VALUE ) |
| 22:45.06 | sjansen | heh |
| 22:45.14 | vontrapp | or powered by the methane traces in the air left over from when dinasaurs roamed the earth |
| 23:01.52 | levi | sjansen: Still doing LDAP? |
| 23:02.37 | levi | I understand there's a version of XML encoded in ASN.1 now. |
| 23:03.25 | hans | oh my |
| 23:04.34 | levi | For increased speed of transmission and parsing, I guess. |
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| 23:06.46 | sjansen | heh |
| 23:06.55 | sjansen | yes, there is an xml version of asn.1 |
| 23:12.51 | vontrapp | esp when their phone is all screwed up |
| 23:13.02 | vontrapp | and you can't hear eachother half the time |
| 23:20.28 | tene | Maquis: err... what? There are places that do that? |
| 23:20.31 | vontrapp | trying to guide people through guis just doesn't work |
| 23:20.36 | tene | that's... broken... |
| 23:20.51 | vontrapp | tene: yes, i've encountered those before |
| 23:20.51 | goozbach | yes the stupid broken menus |
| 23:22.03 | goozbach | |lart nazi sysadmins |
| 23:22.04 | vontrapp | gaa, the static on this phone is driving me NUTS! |
| 23:22.58 | hans | goozbach: why you lartin me? |
| 23:24.24 | goozbach | hans: not you |
| 23:24.51 | goozbach | larting the sysadmin of a box I 'used' to have an account on |
| 23:25.12 | goozbach | I had su/wheel access to root |
| 23:25.19 | goozbach | they took that away |
| 23:25.28 | goozbach | so I just stopped using that box |
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| 23:27.04 | joshc | whoa - i'm having way to much fun on this utah religion/politics thread. |
| 23:27.32 | vontrapp | you know what, osx really just bugs me |
| 23:27.32 | vontrapp | i don't like it all that much |
| 23:28.01 | vontrapp | at least as far as the configuration apps go |
| 23:28.36 | joshc | the UI part or the BSD part? |
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| 23:31.41 | vontrapp | iPod shuffle |
| 23:31.41 | vontrapp | Random is the New Order |
| 23:31.48 | vontrapp | where have they been hiding? |
| 23:32.01 | vontrapp | i've listened to my music on random since the dawn of time |
| 23:32.45 | vontrapp | do regular iPod's have shuffle? |
| 23:32.55 | vontrapp | great, now i have lag |
| 23:33.30 | joshc | it's not much of a flame war thank goodness |
| 23:33.30 | joshc | just a good old fashion heated discussion |
| 23:33.49 | JoshH | it doesnt even seem that heated |
| 23:34.11 | goozbach | just fun discussion |
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| 23:37.00 | hans | same old thread. soon to be a bestseller on amazon |
| 23:37.02 | Bradipo | So, does the new plug@plug.org enforce subscriber checks, or can I post from any address? |
| 23:37.04 | sjansen | whoops, guess I was on a server in australia |
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| 23:37.33 | Bradipo | If the latter, then I won't have to resend my email that I sent without remembering that the mailing list changed. |
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| 23:37.52 | Bradipo | And I didn't change my sender. |
| 23:38.22 | hans | the most amazing part, I think, is that the anti-OT people haven't gotten in a hissy fit |
| 23:38.41 | Bradipo | I wouldn't mind hosting a mailing list for OT posts. |
| 23:38.45 | Bradipo | :-) |
| 23:39.24 | sjansen | been tried, doesn't work |
| 23:39.32 | Bradipo | hans: Do you know the answer to my question? |
| 23:39.46 | sjansen | the problem is that the discussion starts on-list, at that point moving it off is hard |
| 23:40.13 | Bradipo | Am I going to have to resend it? I would resend it already based on what I know, but I wouldn't want people to get two copies based on what I don't know. |
| 23:40.13 | sjansen | unless we add moderation, which I'm sure nobody wants |
| 23:40.13 | hans | Bradipo: it won't post from a nonmember |
| 23:40.13 | hans | unless mailman is somehow smart enough to know you're a member even from a different address. not inconceivable but if they've done that they didn't tell me. |
| 23:40.37 | JoshH | actually the plug list is the most enjoyable of all the lists i read, just because of the amount of OT insanity |
| 23:40.51 | hans | it's alive! |
| 23:40.51 | Bradipo | Maybe it can be configured to allow non-subscribers to post by sending them a challenge back? |
| 23:40.52 | hans | this stupid elusive faxmodem on the crazy multiport card |
| 23:40.58 | Bradipo | That would be cool. |
| 23:41.10 | JoshH | i remember the thread a month or two ago where everyone was going crazy arguing about netiquette and top posting |
| 23:41.28 | JoshH | it was pretty wild |
| 23:41.37 | sjansen | ~lart joshc for top posting |
| 23:42.02 | JoshH | its also funny how whenever someone posts a job ad and they have a crappy website or something, everyone flames them |
| 23:42.17 | goozbach | ~lart eric jensen for hijacking threads |
| 23:43.35 | hans | Bradipo: I was lagged, it seems. |
| 23:44.09 | hans | you should get a bounce or at least a notification that it is being held for moderation |
| 23:47.34 | Bradipo | hans: Yeah, but a bounce doesn't help me much. |
| 23:47.40 | Bradipo | Er rather, a moderation. |
| 23:48.12 | Bradipo | Based on past experience I doubt the moderator will do anything with it, but I wanted to make sure, just in case things had changed so I didn't end up posting twice. |
| 23:49.21 | Bradipo | Oh wow, I made a really long line, that's odd... |
| 23:49.25 | hans | looks like I have it set to reject postings from non-members. |
| 23:49.38 | hans | so you should have gotten a nice little reply |
| 23:49.40 | Bradipo | Cool. |
| 23:49.44 | Bradipo | Yeah, I got a bounce. |
| 23:49.51 | Bradipo | But I was too quick and smart for an automated bounce. |
| 23:50.01 | Bradipo | I realized the mistake the second I sent it. |
| 23:50.31 | Bradipo | But that was too late, it had already gone. |
| 23:52.12 | Bradipo | gmail mangles my signature like no other. |
| 23:56.05 | joshc | mmm...smoke |
| 23:57.25 | joshc | seems like top-posting w/ a little context quoted in is da best |
| 23:57.43 | joshc | requires less scrolling i think |
| 23:57.53 | Bradipo | What is the likelyhood that that little context will be viewed at all? Then why bother even quoting? |
| 23:58.14 | Bradipo | It requires less scrolling, but given that most people are lazy, its a waste of space to top-post. |
| 23:58.20 | joshc | well, i think if i quote just a small snippet, then people read it so they get what im talking about |
| 23:58.21 | Bradipo | So why bother quoting even a little at all. |
| 23:58.30 | Bradipo | But they aren't going to bother scrolling. |
| 23:58.37 | Bradipo | That's like reading the answer before the question. |
| 23:58.50 | joshc | i dont think you understand what i mean |
| 23:58.59 | Bradipo | Its not a natural flow. |
| 23:59.02 | Bradipo | That's possible. |
| 23:59.05 | joshc | like, look at the last post i put on the plug list |
| 23:59.19 | joshc | i put a couple of snippets at the top, and then put my post |
| 23:59.23 | joshc | seems natural to me |
| 23:59.28 | Bradipo | Yeah, that's right. |
| 23:59.33 | Bradipo | I thought that was bottom posting though. |
| 23:59.44 | Bradipo | Top quoting, bottom posting. |
| 23:59.56 | joshc | hm - i call it 'top posting w/ quote snippets' |
