| 00:00.58 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@24.2.90.131) |
| 00:01.26 | tensai | I've tried bind=0.0.0.0. lemme try with the ip |
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| 00:02.47 | tensai | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.50 | tensai | but it's not |
| 00:06.13 | hans | jsmith: I do have hardware and it tells me it's listening, but it's not. |
| 00:06.35 | h3k | "MySQL warning users, contemplating changes after worm" |
| 00:06.51 | h3k | maybe i shouldn't have used an sql server for the db |
| 00:08.32 | tensai | hans: tag. my turn to go home. |
| 00:08.58 | vontrapp | gahr, /me hates web programming |
| 00:09.05 | h3k | i like it |
| 00:09.06 | h3k | :) |
| 00:09.19 | sjansen | I love it. Just hate doing the same thing repeatedly. |
| 00:09.44 | vontrapp | well, i hate making full blown apps that run on the web |
| 00:10.22 | vontrapp | data consistency is a real pain |
| 00:10.25 | h3k | hehe |
| 00:10.28 | h3k | true |
| 00:10.31 | vontrapp | or propogation, rather |
| 00:10.35 | h3k | use an underlying lybrary for that |
| 00:10.39 | h3k | *library |
| 00:10.57 | h3k | or another prog to store the data, that will watch for consistency |
| 00:11.00 | h3k | like an sql server |
| 00:11.41 | goozbach | wow it's 5 already |
| 00:11.59 | goozbach | how time flies when you take an hour and a half for lunch |
| 00:12.10 | vontrapp | |lart goozbach |
| 00:12.18 | goozbach | and when you don't get to the office till 9:40 |
| 00:12.32 | h3k | how come you get to sleep in? |
| 00:12.39 | vontrapp | time sure lags when your mouth hurts and you can't stop sneezing |
| 00:12.58 | levi | vontrapp: What sort of data consistency problems are you having? |
| 00:13.35 | vontrapp | not data data, but just application-type stuff |
| 00:13.40 | vontrapp | i forget the term |
| 00:14.06 | h3k | can't be forgetting terms |
| 00:14.43 | vontrapp | e.g. you call a function with certain variables and it prints a page, but then there's no easy way to take those variables to the next page |
| 00:14.49 | levi | vontrapp: Ah! |
| 00:14.58 | levi | vontrapp: What development platform are you using? |
| 00:15.02 | vontrapp | php |
| 00:15.09 | levi | vontrapp: Do you have to use php? |
| 00:15.12 | h3k | vontrapp php, that's easy |
| 00:15.15 | h3k | use cookies |
| 00:15.16 | h3k | :) |
| 00:15.25 | levi | It's not that simple. |
| 00:15.33 | vontrapp | pretty much, since we have an entire system that's all huge and written in php |
| 00:15.50 | vontrapp | and said system is what i'm working on |
| 00:15.55 | levi | vontrapp: There are a number of frameworks that solve the web app programming problem, but I'm not aware of a php one. |
| 00:16.22 | h3k | vontrapp you could pass the information along as arguments to the next php script |
| 00:16.29 | vontrapp | h3k: yeah, try storing arrays and objects and hashes in cookies |
| 00:16.46 | h3k | yeah, that's the purpose of the ":)" i put |
| 00:17.26 | findlay | ~lart Manti Telephone! |
| 00:17.27 | vontrapp | oh well, i'm done for today, i'm gonna go home and not think of such things for a long time |
| 00:17.50 | h3k | ~lart h3k |
| 00:18.03 | h3k | ooo |
| 00:18.07 | levi | vontrapp: The key to these systems that I know of is storing the state of 'what to do next' in a hash table, and using a key to that table in a hidden field or cookie. |
| 00:18.38 | h3k | yeop, just like i said |
| 00:18.39 | h3k | :) |
| 00:19.06 | levi | vontrapp: Some languages have features that make this easier to do than others, but some form ought to be possible in php. Not sure how compatible it would be with the code you have to integrate with, though. |
| 00:19.19 | Maquis | GRRRR!!!!!!!! |
| 00:19.25 | vontrapp | it's precisely all these hoops and hacks that i hate about web-apps |
| 00:19.33 | h3k | most people are using java for web apps now |
| 00:19.40 | levi | vontrapp: A nice framework abstracts that all away, though. |
| 00:19.58 | vontrapp | |lart java |
| 00:20.08 | h3k | i code java, it's not that bad |
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| 00:20.41 | h3k | you could use some java servlets exchanging info with the user through web pages |
| 00:20.51 | vontrapp | and working on a web app that you haven't started from the ground up can be a real bear sometimes |
| 00:21.19 | vontrapp | anyway, like i said, i'm done thinking about this stuff |
| 00:21.23 | h3k | :) |
| 00:22.07 | sjansen | h3k: most people are also running Windows, doesn't make it a good idea |
| 00:22.19 | h3k | sjansen true, but java is not so bad for web apps |
| 00:22.25 | sjansen | ha! |
| 00:22.29 | h3k | :) |
| 00:23.10 | levi | h3k: Take a look at this as an example of a different way of writing web apps: http://seaside.st/ |
| 00:23.31 | levi | h3k: A number of clones of it exist in other languages, so ignore the fact that it's written in Smalltalk if you want. |
| 00:23.48 | h3k | i've only coded php, java, and perl web apps |
| 00:24.06 | h3k | levi 404 |
| 00:24.15 | h3k | ahh |
| 00:24.16 | h3k | there it goes |
| 00:24.19 | levi | It shouldn't 404. |
| 00:24.20 | h3k | ~lart comcast |
| 00:24.39 | levi | Aren't there free Solaris 10 CDs you can chop people with now? |
| 00:24.44 | h3k | hmmm |
| 00:24.49 | h3k | i donno |
| 00:24.57 | h3k | but being chopped with a solaris 7 cd must be worse |
| 00:25.12 | levi | Anyway, Seaside is a very cool way to approach web application programming. |
| 00:25.20 | h3k | hmmm, never heard of it before |
| 00:26.01 | h3k | without reading much about it, this is a server, module, or just an app? |
| 00:26.04 | levi | It hasn't quite hit mainstream yet, but it's got enough buzz that people in other language communities are copying it. |
| 00:26.33 | levi | h3k: It's a web application programming framework. |
| 00:27.06 | levi | h3k: I guess, out of your three choices, the closest match is 'module' |
| 00:27.35 | h3k | hmmm |
| 00:28.33 | levi | The demo app for the framework is a web-based store, and the code for it isn't too lengthy. |
| 00:28.50 | h3k | never heard of smalltalk either |
| 00:28.56 | h3k | so i'm not sure what this would run on |
| 00:29.03 | h3k | wether it be a module for apache, or it's own daemon or what |
| 00:29.42 | levi | Well, people who run it usually have a smalltalk image running, and either have a smalltalk-based webserver or an apache mod_proxy pointing at it. |
| 00:29.56 | h3k | ic |
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| 00:30.02 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 00:30.47 | levi | h3k: There are a couple of clones of it written in Ruby, as well. And a partial replication of it in Java, though Java doesn't support some of the language features required for it to work fully. |
| 00:31.08 | h3k | hmm |
| 00:32.14 | h3k | where's this demo of seaside you were talkin about? |
| 00:33.32 | levi | It comes with the framework when you set it up. |
| 00:33.38 | h3k | oh |
| 00:33.47 | levi | I don't know of any publically accessible site that's running it. |
| 00:33.51 | h3k | i thought maybe they had an online demo of it on their site |
| 00:34.29 | synic | http://thedailywtf.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=28702 |
| 00:35.35 | h3k | wha |
| 00:37.40 | levi | h3k: Here's an example using Java http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-contin.html |
| 00:39.39 | h3k | hmm, odd |
| 00:41.24 | levi | It takes a bit to figure out how it's working behind the scenes, but it makes your app's control flow code MUCH easier to read. |
| 00:41.47 | h3k | i haven't programmed like that before |
| 00:41.51 | levi | It takes the 'this is a web application' garbage out, and makes it look like any other application. |
| 00:44.11 | h3k | makes sense though |
| 00:46.34 | levi | I think that it's where web application programming is headed, at least for the class of web apps that have complicated user interaction and lots of state. |
| 00:49.44 | h3k | ya |
| 00:49.52 | h3k | just reading about how the user can't go back |
| 00:50.02 | sjansen | ~lart goozbach for, well, he knows |
| 00:51.37 | SpecialK | appears ibot has trouble parsing for, |
| 00:56.23 | goozbach | |lart sjansen for his drooling comment the other day |
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| 00:57.09 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 00:57.26 | SpecialK | goozbach: it really is my birthday Thursday, and I want some putty too. |
| 00:57.54 | levi | h3k: How the user can't go back? |
| 00:58.19 | h3k | levi it said that with the id for a continuations repository, having the user hit the back button on the browser, would screw things up |
| 00:58.24 | levi | h3k: I didn't read that page terribly carefully, and I'm wondering if the Cocoon way has some limitations that the Seaside one doesn't. |
| 00:58.46 | levi | h3k: Ah, okay. Seaside is fine with the back button. |
| 00:59.14 | h3k | could probably code something with the contiuation system to allow the back button, but from what i read, it'd take extra code |
| 00:59.34 | levi | h3k: Seaside is able to do real language-level continuations due to the Smalltalk system it's based on. |
| 00:59.37 | SpecialK | code your own back button which saves the data in forms |
| 01:00.04 | goozbach | SpecialK: too? I didn't know I was giving anyone putty... |
| 01:00.26 | levi | h3k: The continuations get stored, so when the back button is used, the continuation for the previous state is re-executed. |
| 01:01.48 | SpecialK | goozbach: I'd heard you were bringing some to UUG Thurs, but I must have heard wrong. |
| 01:01.55 | h3k | hmm |
| 01:02.53 | goozbach | I wasn't promising anything |
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| 01:03.28 | goozbach | it's completly up to my bosses weither or not I bring any |
| 01:03.38 | findlay | anybody know how to change firefox's browser id? |
| 01:04.29 | goozbach | there's an extension |
| 01:04.35 | sjansen | there's an extension for it |
| 01:06.31 | levi | h3k: Here's a blog post about Seaside's handling of state snapshotting: http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs/avi/blogView?showComments=true&entry=3240140310 |
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| 01:11.20 | findlay | is it called ``browser identification''? |
| 01:13.03 | findlay | ``user agent'' |
| 01:13.10 | findlay | . |
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| 01:17.55 | findlay | http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/useragentswitcher |
| 01:20.24 | sjansen | I love IE -- to poop on! |
| 01:21.23 | Maquis | sjansen: ??? |
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| 01:21.48 | sjansen | http://www.triumphtheinsultcomicdog.com/ |
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| 01:21.55 | vontrapp | speaking of kphone... well, a long time ago, mine quit working after running debfoster, i think maybe i got rid of a codec i needed or something. i see outgoing on my interface but no incomming... anyone seen this before? |
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| 01:22.20 | findlay | vontrapp: you use kphone? |
| 01:22.31 | vontrapp | yes |
| 01:22.40 | vontrapp | and i kinda need it right now |
| 01:22.48 | findlay | do you use asterisk too? |
| 01:23.20 | findlay | vontrapp: sorry, I don't have much experience with it yet |
| 01:23.20 | vontrapp | no |
| 01:23.34 | vontrapp | ok, what are the different voip protocols? |
| 01:23.41 | vontrapp | as in h323 and such |
| 01:23.46 | findlay | kphone is SIP |
| 01:23.54 | vontrapp | i mean codecs |
| 01:23.57 | findlay | asterisk can speak many of them |
| 01:24.00 | findlay | oh |
| 01:26.24 | goozbach | ~congradulate stuporglue for using irc under screen |
| 01:26.43 | findlay | http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Codecs |
| 01:26.56 | findlay | ^ |
| 01:26.57 | findlay | | |
| 01:32.12 | vontrapp | thx findlay |
| 01:32.15 | vontrapp | still no luck though |
| 01:32.19 | vontrapp | |lart kphone |
| 01:32.48 | Maquis | ~spell congratulate |
| 01:32.49 | ibot | 'congratulate' may be spelled correctly |
| 01:36.28 | mheath | mheath@revolution:~/gcc-3.3.x/toolchain_i386$ du -sh |
| 01:36.28 | mheath | 35M . |
| 01:37.46 | goozbach | if I wanted to congratulate I'd have congratulated him |
| 01:37.53 | goozbach | I wanted to congradulate him |
| 01:37.57 | mheath | Taking out C++ support helped a lot. It was over 50 before.... |
| 01:38.31 | mheath | I think I'll split it. Have a DEV package and a DEVCXX package |
| 01:38.52 | goozbach | oh yeah... |
| 01:39.06 | goozbach | not many things better than reading /. at -1 |
| 01:39.33 | goozbach | some of the greatest quotes ever are found in the flamebait -1 posts |
| 01:41.01 | mheath | This software distrobution is going to be awesome :) |
| 01:45.13 | mheath | As far as I know, it's the only Linux software distrobution with a complete, sane C development environment that fits in less than 100 MB |
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| 01:50.13 | levi | mheath: The only current one, that is. I know I had Linux installed on my 100mb hd machine back in the day. |
| 01:50.34 | levi | But that was pre-1.0 linux and the SLS distro. |
| 01:50.38 | mheath | Well, yeah |
| 01:53.19 | mheath | levi: my goal right now: In 100 MB, get a sane development environment, most manpages, a lot of basic CLI apps, a small X11 server.. |
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| 01:57.48 | goozbach | http://www.powerlabs.org/cdexplode.htm |
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| 02:12.47 | Maquis | http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/01/31/students.amendment.ap/index.html <-- kind of frightening! |
| 02:13.20 | findlay | HEY i WANT TO POST A url TOO |
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| 02:13.51 | sjansen | findlay: here, you can have this one http://plug.org/preview/ |
| 02:14.04 | findlay | wpl://duh.somewhere-over-there.ctn |
| 02:14.09 | findlay | there |
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| 02:14.47 | findlay | oooohh! |
| 02:14.53 | findlay | that's a good one |
| 02:17.14 | findlay | sjansen: remeindes me of some good program notes when they used to have the soloist/conductor write their own program notes for records |
| 02:17.28 | findlay | Glen Gould was infamous for inventing fake interviewers |
| 02:17.57 | findlay | once his program notes consisted of an interview ``Glen Gould interviews Glen Gould about Glen Gould'' |
| 02:20.24 | Maquis | uh huh... |
| 02:20.31 | Maquis | sure... we believe you findlay |
| 02:21.59 | findlay | sjansen: doesn't look bad with lynx, no text or formatting bloat, now whether if I make a donation, can I expect the police to break down my door... |
| 02:23.25 | findlay | notwithstanding the destructive nature of plastic audio discs, ``records'', they have far better fidelity than CDs |
| 02:24.00 | findlay | that's why I can't wait for the major glut of great recordings to be available on better that CD quality |
| 02:25.11 | sjansen | whatever, you won't be able to tell |
| 02:25.31 | findlay | yu-huh |
| 02:25.41 | sjansen | nu-uh |
| 02:26.07 | levi | I much prefer being able to replay my music an indefinite number of times without the fidelity changing to some elusive 'greater fidelity' offered by vinyl. |
| 02:26.09 | Maquis | yu-huh! |
| 02:26.10 | findlay | yu-huh \infty |
| 02:26.14 | Maquis | (what are we arguing about? |
| 02:26.15 | Maquis | ) |
| 02:26.37 | levi | Maquis: findlay says records have higher fidelity than CDs. sjansen says you can't tell the difference. |
| 02:26.41 | sjansen | probably think that analog tubes make the music "glow" too |
| 02:26.51 | levi | Silly audiophiles. ;) |
| 02:27.17 | Maquis | how would i know? |
| 02:27.41 | goozbach | I seriously thought of buying one of those MSI boards with the vacume tubes |
| 02:27.46 | findlay | no, tubes are more sensitive to even frequencies of distortion, or something-or-other which has some effect on the auditory sense |
| 02:27.52 | goozbach | you just can't digitise some stuff |
| 02:28.25 | findlay | Tubes aren't worth it unless you get the ultra high grade stuff |
| 02:28.43 | levi | I think that can be summarized to 'Tubes aren't worth it' |
| 02:28.56 | sjansen | bah, levi beat me to the punch |
| 02:29.28 | Maquis | hey! you were complaining about levi beating you to the punch |
| 02:29.32 | Maquis | i just wanted to help |
| 02:30.01 | sjansen | sure you did |
| 02:30.33 | sjansen | She cheated! |
| 02:30.34 | Maquis | sjansen: you should never hit a girl! |
| 02:31.05 | findlay | lets just calm down and listen to Ravel |
| 02:31.06 | sjansen | You shouldn't hit a man in glasses. |
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| 02:31.23 | HarleyPig | Hey all! |
| 02:31.33 | findlay | ~welcome HarleyPig |
| 02:31.35 | ibot | Howdy HarleyPig | It is good to see you HarleyPig | HarleyPig, Sup yo? |
| 02:31.36 | Maquis | HarleyPig: tell sjansen that he should never hit a girl |
| 02:31.41 | HarleyPig | Does anyone remember the name of the perl shopping cart that is supposed to be really good? |
| 02:31.56 | HarleyPig | sjansen: Remember the 11th commandment! |
| 02:32.09 | HarleyPig | Maquis: Why not? |
| 02:32.21 | Maquis | because! it's a rule! |
| 02:32.32 | HarleyPig | 12 inches? |
| 02:32.40 | HarleyPig | or the rule of thumb? |
| 02:32.53 | findlay | HarleyPig: tell sjansen that CD quality is sterile and discrete sounding |
| 02:33.16 | HarleyPig | Hey! The rule of thumb only applies to application on women! |
| 02:33.50 | Maquis | |addlart beats <who> with a lead pipe |
| 02:33.52 | brigham | lemme take care of that for you |
| 02:33.57 | sjansen | ~hug HarleyPig |
| 02:33.59 | ibot | ACTION hugs HarleyPig |
| 02:34.08 | Maquis | |lart ibot |
| 02:34.12 | HarleyPig | heh |
| 02:34.14 | Maquis | |lart ibot |
| 02:34.24 | Maquis | |lart HarleyPig |
| 02:34.36 | Maquis | |flog sjansen |
| 02:34.43 | Maquis | ~flog sjansen |
| 02:34.45 | ibot | ACTION hog-ties sjansen and starts the heavy punishment with a cat-o-nine-tails. |
| 02:35.08 | sjansen | HarleyPig: nope, but welcome back man |
| 02:35.23 | Maquis | brigham: flog <who> is <action> duct tapes <who> to the floor and flogs him repeatedly with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 02:35.24 | brigham | fine |
| 02:35.42 | Maquis | |flog tene |
| 02:35.56 | Maquis | hmmm... |
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| 02:36.36 | Maquis | peregrine: :) |
| 02:36.47 | peregrine | Maquis :) |
| 02:36.56 | Maquis | you missed out on the fight |
| 02:36.58 | findlay | ~lart peregrine |
| 02:37.07 | Maquis | |lart findlay |
| 02:37.25 | peregrine | um, sorry, I guess. |
| 02:37.28 | peregrine | :) |
| 02:37.32 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:37.36 | findlay | |lart Maquis \infty |
| 02:37.41 | peregrine | Nice to see you too findlay. |
| 02:38.06 | findlay | how's the research going peregrine? |
| 02:39.26 | peregrine | Which research? |
| 02:39.28 | findlay | o, well. Any friend of Maquis... well, um, something |
| 02:39.42 | Maquis | ???? |
| 02:40.03 | findlay | in order to confuse Maquis |
| 02:40.11 | findlay | |confuse Maquis |
| 02:40.30 | peregrine | Ah, so what you are saying is that the Orange was painted...purple? |
| 02:40.41 | Maquis | findlay: you should know that you don't have to do anything special to do that.. |
| 02:40.43 | findlay | precisely |
| 02:40.49 | sjansen | amateurs |
| 02:41.00 | peregrine | And pround of it! |
| 02:41.02 | Maquis | sjansen can confuse me without even trying |
| 02:41.03 | findlay | no I don't have to do anything special to be confusing |
| 02:41.24 | Maquis | in fact, sjansen has an amazing ability to confuse me while trying not to confuse me :( |
| 02:41.26 | sjansen | Who put the bomp |
| 02:41.26 | sjansen | In the bomp bah bomp bah bomp |
| 02:41.26 | sjansen | Who put the ram |
| 02:41.26 | sjansen | In the rama lama ding dong |
| 02:41.42 | sjansen | Who put the bop |
| 02:41.42 | sjansen | In the bop shoo bop shoo bop |
| 02:41.42 | sjansen | Who put the dip |
| 02:41.42 | sjansen | In the dip da dip da dip |
| 02:41.56 | peregrine | Who was that man |
| 02:42.01 | peregrine | I'd like to shake his hand... |
| 02:42.09 | peregrine | He made my baby fall in love with me. |
| 02:42.11 | peregrine | :) |
| 02:42.30 | peregrine | Don't you just hate it when other people start singing along, sjansen :). |
| 02:42.54 | sjansen | what, you could hear me singing with you? |
| 02:42.59 | sjansen | musta been singing too loud |
| 02:43.23 | findlay | YEAH, i CAN'T HEAR rAVEL |
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| 02:44.33 | peregrine | sjansen: I'm only *1* thousand miles away, you know. |
| 02:45.09 | findlay | voice sure carries just fine over copper |
| 02:45.15 | findlay | I guess |
| 02:46.18 | peregrine | Aleighluja, ale-lu-ya...Ahhhh-le-lu-ya... |
| 02:46.41 | peregrine | just for sjansen, a little mozart. |
| 02:47.15 | peregrine | So, Maquis, what was this fight thing you said I missed? |
| 02:47.32 | findlay | yeah, do tell |
| 03:04.08 | mheath | Which, coincidentally, is just about to live |
| 03:04.36 | findlay | call it mheathix |
| 03:04.59 | mheath | Hahah |
| 03:05.05 | mheath | I think it will remain nameless right now :) |
| 03:05.30 | mheath | Speaking of it, though... |
| 03:05.43 | mheath | It now lives, with a functioning compiler, shell, basic tools, etc. |
| 03:07.22 | mheath | Just need automake and autoconf, and the C development environment will be perfected :) |
| 03:10.59 | findlay | mheath: which shell did you pick? |
| 03:11.25 | mheath | Ash |
| 03:11.29 | mheath | Most of my core stuff is busybox |
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| 03:18.51 | mheath | argh, except I screwed up on my build of uclibc |
| 03:25.55 | mheath | Another unrelated question - Can anyone recommend a good, Open, video compression format that cuts down size a lot without reducing quality too much? |
| 03:34.52 | LeviHome | What about your uclibc is screwed up? |
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| 03:36.28 | mheath | levi: accidentally forgot large file support |
| 03:45.37 | Maquis | peregrine: just a bit of an irc fist-fight |
| 03:45.58 | Maquis | so, for fhe, we learned about techniques for removing tension |
| 03:46.21 | Maquis | out of our entire group, i had the most difference between shoulders between workin on the right and left shoulder |
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| 03:59.09 | peregrine | Hey emcnabb. |
| 03:59.30 | goozbach | WTF? the developers of XEN embedded figlet into their source code |
| 04:00.20 | peregrine | The fiends! To the batmobile gooz-robin. |
| 04:00.24 | peregrine | :) |
| 04:00.47 | goozbach | ummm ok... |
| 04:01.03 | goozbach | making no sudden movements |
| 04:01.05 | emcnabb | oh man |
| 04:01.24 | emcnabb | how's it going peregrine? |
| 04:02.04 | mheath | *sigh* I need a faster box |
| 04:02.25 | peregrine | good, emcnabb. How about you? Fun at the office this week? |
| 04:02.25 | Maquis | no!!!! sjansen left!!!!! |
| 04:02.34 | mheath | The sad thing is, uclibc doesn't maintain binary compatability between releases...I'll have to recompile the entire system when I upgrade my toolchain.. |
| 04:02.41 | peregrine | um, you just noticed? |
| 04:02.52 | emcnabb | it's going pretty well so far |
| 04:03.06 | emcnabb | time to take a look at taxes... |
| 04:03.21 | peregrine | oh goody. |
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| 04:03.41 | Maquis | peregrine: were you asking me if i just noticed that sjansen had left? |
| 04:03.50 | goozbach | who in their right mind would have a makefile that downloads a tarball? |
| 04:04.05 | goozbach | a kernel tarball of all things |
| 04:04.11 | peregrine | Since I seem to have missed some context, mheath, what is going on? Sound like you are building your own OS. |
| 04:04.15 | peregrine | Maquis: yes. |
| 04:04.26 | Maquis | kind of.. see... i have this stupid pair of errors that i can't seem to catch |
| 04:04.36 | mheath | peregrine: I'm making a Linux software distrobution |
| 04:04.56 | peregrine | lol; sorry to hear that one, goozbach |
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| 04:05.09 | goozbach | at least it's 2.6.10 |
| 04:05.35 | goozbach | and not some old one |
| 04:05.44 | peregrine | WTFTSL, goozbach :). |
| 04:05.45 | Maquis | although i think i might have just barely seen what it might be |
| 04:06.14 | goozbach | ~dict WTFTSL |
| 04:06.39 | goozbach | TSL? |
| 04:06.50 | goozbach | ~dict tsl |
| 04:07.01 | goozbach | ~dict ibot |
| 04:07.01 | Maquis | hmmmm... |
| 04:08.39 | Maquis | so, i have an array of taskItems |
| 04:08.45 | Maquis | or actually... |
| 04:08.53 | Maquis | an array of taskItem*s |
| 04:09.18 | Maquis | oh wait... |
| 04:09.22 | Maquis | nm |
| 04:09.47 | Maquis | no... still confused |
| 04:10.04 | Maquis | ok, so, i think that queueArray is an array of taskItem*s |
| 04:10.14 | Maquis | and i need to get the address of a particular taskItem |
| 04:10.21 | Maquis | and know if it's 0 |
| 04:10.22 | LeviHome | Ah, the joys of C++ |
| 04:10.27 | Maquis | LeviHome: C |
| 04:10.40 | LeviHome | Oh, C then. |
| 04:10.53 | Maquis | because if there isn't anythign there, then it should be 0, otherwise it's the address of a taskItem |
| 04:10.59 | Maquis | why doesn't this work: |
| 04:11.03 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.05 | Maquis | ??? |
| 04:11.17 | LeviHome | In what way is it not working? |
| 04:11.20 | mheath | Whats the error your getting? |
| 04:11.45 | Maquis | OS345.c:244: error: invalid operands to binary == |
| 04:12.10 | Maquis | (when i was trying some other things, it was earlier complaining about incompatible types...) |
| 04:13.06 | mheath | Maquis: first of all, use null instead of 0 (just cleaner..) for empty |
| 04:13.17 | LeviHome | What are the related variable declarations/type definitions? |
| 04:13.19 | Maquis | i'm using memset, with '\0' |
| 04:13.39 | Maquis | oh wait... |
| 04:13.43 | Maquis | i think i found that one now |
| 04:14.23 | LeviHome | What was it? |
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| 04:14.50 | Maquis | LeviHome: queueArray* instead of queueArray** |
| 04:14.54 | TimRiker | anyone ele tried http://www.nathanbullock.org/nathan/software/lds-get.html ? it downloads lds content from lds.org and cleans up the html. |
| 04:15.54 | mheath | queueArray[priority] == 0 <---Thats wrong if queueArray is an array of pointers |
| 04:16.26 | Maquis | mheath: ok... |
| 04:18.25 | mheath | Maquis: can't help you resolve errors if you don't tell us the actual way your doing it rather than giving a vague example. Good you got it resolved, though :) |
| 04:18.36 | Maquis | sorry... |
| 04:19.22 | mheath | I know how you feel though |
| 04:19.30 | LeviHome | If queueArray is an array of pointers, they will be 0 if they're initialized that way and don't contain an actual pointer. |
| 04:19.53 | mheath | I'll sit and look over code for minutes on end, trying to find the problem.. |
| 04:20.02 | Maquis | LeviHome: i think mheath's point was that it should be '\0' |
| 04:20.03 | mheath | Then the second I ask someone for help, I'll notice some stupid mistake :) |
| 04:20.04 | Maquis | right? |
| 04:20.11 | mheath | levi: not on all systems. |
| 04:20.17 | LeviHome | Maquis: They're the same. |
| 04:20.21 | mheath | Maquis: NULL, yep :) |
| 04:20.26 | mheath | levi: not on all systems. |
| 04:20.28 | Maquis | mheath: yeah... that happens to me... unless i have a fundamental lack of understanding... |
| 04:20.45 | peregrine | goozbach: WTFTSL (way to find the silver lining) |
| 04:21.08 | Maquis | wtftsl is way to find the silver lining |
| 04:21.14 | Maquis | wtftsl? |
| 04:21.15 | brigham | wtftsl is way to find the silver lining |
| 04:22.13 | mheath | Would someone be willing to share some clock cycles, and give me access to a speedy box? |
| 04:22.24 | mheath | I'm tired of waiting hours for my toolchain to recompile |
| 04:22.28 | Maquis | mheath: i'm NATted... |
| 04:22.36 | LeviHome | It's perfectly legal to use 0 in place of the null pointer. |
| 04:22.43 | mheath | levi: not on all systems. |
| 04:22.50 | LeviHome | mheath: Read the C FAQ. |
| 04:23.09 | mheath | I wasn't aware there was a C FAQ. |
| 04:23.14 | LeviHome | There is. |
| 04:23.21 | mheath | And just because a FAQ says something doesn't mean all systems adhere to what it says. |
| 04:23.28 | Maquis | either way, i'd say it is a bit more readable |
| 04:23.45 | LeviHome | Sure, but it's a matter of style. |
| 04:23.47 | peregrine | mheath: If I were at home, I would do it for you on my dual-Opteron, but I am in LA. |
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| 04:25.02 | peregrine | Maquis: are you working on your scheduler? |
| 04:25.05 | Maquis | yeah |
| 04:25.11 | Maquis | it's not going all that well... |
| 04:25.13 | mheath | LeviHome: GNU LIb C allows the use of 0, but not all libcs do |
| 04:25.14 | peregrine | cool. |
| 04:25.31 | mheath | Plus GNU LIbC recommends using NULL anyway |
| 04:25.35 | LeviHome | mheath: If they don't, they're not conformant to the spec. |
| 04:25.42 | LeviHome | But yeah, NULL is a good idea. |
| 04:25.46 | LeviHome | It's just not required. |
| 04:26.05 | mheath | It is in some situations. |
| 04:27.01 | mheath | And, in some contexts with gcc, you'd need (void *)0 not just 0 |
| 04:27.06 | Maquis | ok... another thing i've been puzzling about for a while... and this one is hopefully a bit less of a silly error... |
| 04:27.20 | Maquis | i have a taskItem* called ptr |
| 04:27.28 | LeviHome | An explicit cast is required when you have a function call and no prototype in scope, or a variable argument in a varargs function call. |
| 04:27.32 | Maquis | btw, a taskItem is set up as: |
| 04:27.38 | Maquis | typedef struct{ |
| 04:27.38 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.38 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.38 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.38 | Maquis | }taskItem; |
| 04:27.40 | LeviHome | Otherwise, according to the C spec, an unadorned 0 is okay. |
| 04:27.54 | Maquis | so, i'm trying to set ptr to ptr -> next |
| 04:28.00 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.12 | Maquis | is saying that it's having an assignment from incompatible pointer type |
| 04:31.05 | LeviHome | Well, that's generally how you do it. I'd have to see more code. |
| 04:31.20 | byronc | what is the type of ptr? |
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| 04:36.58 | Maquis | byronc: it's a taskItem* |
| 04:37.04 | Maquis | sjansen-treo: you're back! |
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| 04:37.47 | tensai | ~lart me for being a retarded moron who can't see past his own nose |
| 04:38.03 | tensai | hans: you awake? I figured it out! |
| 04:38.36 | Maquis | LeviHome: what code would be more helpful |
| 04:38.38 | LeviHome | Maquis: Is it a struct taskItem* ? |
| 04:38.44 | Maquis | yes |
| 04:38.45 | Maquis | well.. |
| 04:38.48 | hans | tensai: what was it? |
| 04:38.50 | Maquis | it's just called a taskItem* |
| 04:38.55 | tensai | it's UDP!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:38.59 | Maquis | because if i had struct in there, it complained loudly |
| 04:39.04 | tensai | netstat -lunp |grep asterisk |
| 04:39.22 | LeviHome | Maquis: It has to be exactly how it is elsewhere. Or you can typedef it to something simpler. |
| 04:39.26 | Maquis | LeviHome: i would include more code here if i knew what would be useful |
| 04:39.42 | LeviHome | Maquis: Type definitions, structs, etc. |
| 04:39.49 | Maquis | LeviHome: it would, but inside the struct declaration, it wanted 'struct' in front of it, and elsewhere, it complained if it got that |
| 04:39.52 | Maquis | i don't know why |
| 04:39.57 | tensai | I just can't believe I let that slip past me for so long |
| 04:40.08 | Maquis | sjansen was helping me with that earlier because i couldn't figure it out |
| 04:40.31 | Maquis | ok... i just passed in the struct... if you want, i can post it again |
| 04:40.36 | LeviHome | Maquis: How about you use a typedef for your struct so you don't have to type out the whole type everywhere? |
| 04:40.36 | hans | ah, that would explain why netcat didn't connect. :) still, wouldn't it show up in netstat? |
| 04:41.09 | tensai | yes, except that the -t flags only shows TCP |
| 04:41.13 | Maquis | LeviHome: so, instead of what i have, i would have typedef struct foo{ and then the rest of it? |
| 04:41.19 | tensai | it's habit for me to use netstat -lnt |
| 04:41.29 | goozbach | w00t my Xen kernel compiled cleanly |
| 04:41.32 | goozbach | and it boots |
| 04:41.32 | Maquis | sorry... i don't know structs very well |
| 04:41.41 | Maquis | goozbach: yay! :) |
| 04:41.48 | LeviHome | Maquis: After your struct definition, do a typedef struct taskItem item, or something like that. |
| 04:41.56 | goozbach | bah because it didn't have LVM support compiled in |
| 04:42.12 | goozbach | so i have to re-compile or re-partition |
| 04:42.12 | tensai | three cheers for LVM |
| 04:42.13 | Maquis | LeviHome: what will that do? |
| 04:42.29 | LeviHome | Maquis: It makes a new type, item, that is your struct. |
| 04:42.31 | Maquis | i thought i was already doing that with the typedef i have around it? |
| 04:42.40 | LeviHome | Oh, hrm. |
| 04:42.52 | LeviHome | Give me your whole struct/type thing. |
| 04:43.22 | Maquis | typedef struct{ |
| 04:43.23 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.23 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.23 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.23 | Maquis | }taskItem; |
| 04:43.51 | Maquis | i think it's right |
| 04:43.53 | Newsome | Maquis: |
| 04:44.01 | LeviHome | Maquis: Break your typedef out of the struct. |
| 04:44.03 | byronc | Maquis: try something like this: http://paste.lisp.org/display/5440 |
| 04:44.08 | Newsome | typedef struct _taskItem { |
| 04:44.21 | Newsome | struct _taskItem *next; |
| 04:44.45 | Maquis | Newsome: and then have the rest of it be the same as it is now? |
| 04:44.50 | Newsome | yeah |
| 04:45.23 | Maquis | ok |
| 04:45.25 | Newsome | at least that's how I remember it. I could be wrong, though |
| 04:45.37 | Maquis | looks like that worked |
| 04:45.40 | Maquis | thanks everyone! |
| 04:46.14 | LeviHome | Maquis: No problem. :) |
| 04:46.44 | mheath | I'm so excited...finally get my braces off tomorrow :) |
| 04:47.59 | hans | ~lart tensai for misleading hans |
| 04:48.11 | tensai | ~lart hans for not thinking of it first |
| 04:48.14 | hans | so did you call my asterisk then? |
| 04:48.26 | tensai | I'm trying. no response. is it up and listening right now? |
| 04:48.42 | hans | now it is |
| 04:48.56 | tensai | what's an extension I can call? |
| 04:49.13 | hans | try tensai |
| 04:49.23 | tensai | um. shouldn't they be numeric? |
| 04:49.25 | sjansen-treo | so how do I get debian to add custom kernel options when it runs update-grub? |
| 04:49.43 | tensai | edit menu.lst, append the options to the commented out values |
| 04:49.52 | tensai | the file has instructions |
| 04:50.13 | sjansen-treo | you mean kopts? |
| 04:50.46 | sjansen-treo | 'cause I've been doing that and it keeps wacking them! |
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| 04:51.35 | byronc | sjansen-treo: what are you trying to add? |
| 04:51.44 | tensai | yeah. that's the one. Mine never get "whacked". |
| 04:51.49 | Slackware_kid | hello |
| 04:51.51 | sjansen-treo | i8042.nomux |
| 04:51.56 | Slackware_kid | haven't been here in a while |
| 04:52.23 | byronc | sjansen-treo: what does your # kopt line look like? |
| 04:54.40 | Slackware_kid | anyone gonna talk to me |
| 04:55.31 | sjansen-treo | kopt(equals)i8042.nomux |
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| 04:55.53 | byronc | sjansen-treo: the commented kopt line? |
| 04:56.24 | Slackware_kid | sorry, hit wrong button |
| 04:57.15 | sjansen-treo | is it supposed to be commented? |
| 04:57.44 | tensai | yes. it'll be expanded by update-grub |
| 04:58.07 | LeviHome | Poor Slackware_kid. |
| 04:58.10 | Slackware_kid | i set up a web server! |
| 04:58.12 | sjansen-treo | how odd |
| 04:58.31 | sjansen-treo | and there's the warning in caps |
| 04:58.35 | LeviHome | Slackware_kid: I thought you left. |
| 04:58.39 | Slackware_kid | oh |
| 04:58.53 | LeviHome | Because no one was talking to you. |
| 04:59.00 | tensai | "ssh -o Compression=yes" is *much* better |
| 04:59.04 | findlay | hi Slackware_kid |
| 04:59.14 | Slackware_kid | i'm learning C++! |
| 04:59.16 | Slackware_kid | and C |
| 04:59.19 | findlay | yea |
| 05:00.21 | goozbach | nea |
| 05:00.36 | goozbach | I'm just feeling non-conformist |
| 05:00.39 | Slackware_kid | ~lart goozbach |
| 05:00.47 | LeviHome | Slackware_kid: This URL will be your friend, then: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html |
| 05:01.16 | Slackware_kid | i got a book from my big bro |
| 05:01.19 | LeviHome | Maquis: You should bookmark it, too. |
| 05:01.33 | Slackware_kid | Introduction to C++ |
| 05:02.13 | Slackware_kid | i got a secret(well, not anymore) crush |
| 05:02.37 | LeviHome | Maquis: I refer to it frequently when I bump up against some part of C that seems to behave oddly. It usually has the explanation for it. :) |
| 05:02.49 | LeviHome | Slackware_kid: Not on C++, I hope. |
| 05:03.13 | Maquis | LeviHome: :) i seem to bump up against those things often... |
| 05:03.19 | Maquis | usually not C's fault though... |
| 05:04.07 | LeviHome | C is usually not at fault. It's been around a long time, and knows what it's supposed to do. :) |
| 05:04.59 | peregrine | ~hail C |
| 05:05.01 | ibot | ACTION bows down to C and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 05:05.35 | Maquis | sometimes, i'd prefer blaming c |
| 05:06.15 | LeviHome | If you ever need to fight C++, it will win, but this will help teach you how to surrender to it: http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ |
| 05:06.40 | LeviHome | The full C++ FAQ is a rather thick book, and is not available online. |
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| 05:27.57 | goozbach | ok so i'm reading this pdf abt xen |
| 05:28.03 | goozbach | produced by HP |
| 05:28.17 | goozbach | and in the pdf it mentions a hostname |
| 05:28.33 | goozbach | and says "login using root: password 1234 |
| 05:28.35 | goozbach | " |
| 05:30.50 | Maquis | ummm... |
| 05:30.58 | Maquis | that's a nice secure root password |
| 05:31.43 | goozbach | given that they supplied the hostname as well... |
| 05:31.54 | Maquis | ooh |
| 05:31.56 | Maquis | !!! |
| 05:32.02 | Maquis | that could be fun! |
| 05:33.26 | goozbach | non-routable |
| 05:33.31 | goozbach | but the dns does return |
| 05:33.36 | goozbach | tuscany-53-42.hpl.hp.com |
| 05:37.42 | LeviHome | Hrm, Xen sounds interesting. |
| 05:40.01 | goozbach | seems to work pretty well but for a few hicups |
| 05:42.54 | Maquis | can i just say that gmail is stupid? |
| 05:45.07 | tensai | Maquis: well, I'll let you if nobody else will |
| 05:45.32 | Maquis | haha |
| 05:45.34 | Maquis | it's being stupid |
| 05:45.45 | Maquis | it won't let me send an attachment without encrypting it first... |
| 05:45.55 | Maquis | it says it's too risky, and it thinks i'm trying to send malware |
| 05:46.21 | Maquis | i'm sure they've got to have some people using gmail who don't know what encrypting a message is |
| 05:46.44 | tensai | can you just rename the extension? |
| 05:49.06 | Maquis | tensai: tried that |
| 05:49.09 | Maquis | here's what it said: |
| 05:49.17 | Maquis | The message has been blocked because it contains a component |
| 05:49.17 | Maquis | (as a MIME part or nested within) with declared name |
| 05:49.17 | Maquis | or MIME type or contents type violating our access policy. |
| 05:49.45 | Maquis | so, to explain how to get something past the filter: |
| 05:49.57 | Maquis | it might still be possible to send any contents (including |
| 05:49.57 | Maquis | viruses) using one of the following methods: |
| 05:49.57 | Maquis | - encrypted using pgp, gpg or other encryption methods; |
| 05:49.57 | Maquis | - wrapped in a password-protected or scrambled container or archive |
| 05:49.59 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.28 | tensai | Maquis: I'll just remind you that you wouldn't be having this problem if you were using the shell account I offered you |
| 06:00.01 | Maquis | tensai: :) |
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| 06:03.36 | goozbach | er hits |
| 06:03.50 | Maquis | gnight goo! |
| 06:03.51 | peregrine | goozbach needs sleep. |
| 06:03.59 | findlay | hit is the hay, huh |
| 06:04.17 | goozbach | if I get ONE more 419 spam I'm gonna crack |
| 06:04.24 | goozbach | and just .... |
| 06:04.25 | goozbach | ... |
| 06:04.31 | findlay | ~spam goozbach |
| 06:04.33 | ibot | you should get a hotmail account to spam goozbach |
| 06:04.33 | goozbach | FREAK OUT! |
| 06:04.33 | tene | 'splode? |
| 06:04.42 | findlay | ibot: OK |
| 06:04.43 | ibot | fine |
| 06:04.49 | findlay | whatever |
| 06:04.53 | goozbach | all I's want's to know is... |
| 06:05.00 | findlay | it's 26 |
| 06:05.09 | goozbach | who's comming with me? |
| 06:05.12 | goozbach | ... |
| 06:05.27 | Maquis | goozbach: ummm... |
| 06:05.28 | goozbach | Jan!... thank you Jan!!! |
| 06:05.46 | Maquis | jan? |
| 06:05.53 | tene | hmm... |
| 06:05.57 | tensai | I love the ones telling me that Mr. Rufius Corey died and he must be my relative because my first name is Corey |
| 06:06.21 | goozbach | Maquis: it's a line from Half Baked |
| 06:06.23 | tene | can't play this avi... |
| 06:06.25 | goozbach | the movie |
| 06:06.32 | Maquis | goozbach: ah... |
| 06:06.34 | tene | and I know it's good, 'cause I could play it on my previous install... |
| 06:06.49 | Maquis | well.. i was going to say... i hope you don't want anyone else on the channel to go with you... but i don't think i'm going either... |
| 06:06.52 | Maquis | :) |
| 06:07.03 | goozbach | gnight |
| 06:07.06 | Maquis | gnight |
| 06:07.19 | findlay | ahhhh |
| 06:07.19 | goozbach | peregrine: aren't you in some foreign place? |
| 06:07.24 | goozbach | east coast? |
| 06:07.35 | findlay | north coast? |
| 06:07.44 | goozbach | south beach? |
| 06:07.46 | tene | mplayer tells me "Illegal instruction" when used to play |
| 06:07.51 | goozbach | that was fun |
| 06:08.48 | tensai | tene: are you trying to use mmx/mmx2/3dnow on a non-mmx/non-mmx2/non-3dnow chip? |
| 06:08.50 | Maquis | tene: watch out... the internet police might come by and arrest you... |
| 06:10.01 | findlay | just don't use lynx and make donations |
| 06:10.30 | tene | tensai: same chip as before. |
| 06:10.48 | tensai | did you break part of it off perhaps? |
| 06:10.53 | tene | CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0 |
| 06:10.59 | tene | nope |
| 06:11.21 | peregrine | LA |
| 06:11.38 | findlay | LA LA LA |
| 06:11.46 | findlay | oh, were you singing again? |
| 06:13.25 | tene | ** (totem:4401): WARNING **: don't know how to handle video/x-xvid, framerate=(double)23.975999999999999, width=(int)640, height=(int)480 |
| 06:13.28 | tene | ** (totem:4401): WARNING **: don't know how to handle audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)1, layer=(int)3, rate=(int)48000, channels=(int)2, codec_data=(buffer)020080bb0000803e0000010000000c00010004000000800101000000 |
| 06:13.36 | tene | copied from totem output. |
| 06:13.46 | peregrine | no, Los Angeles is where I am. |
| 06:14.46 | tene | I have libxvidcore installed |
| 06:27.35 | SpecialK | How do I find the directory where a link is pointing too? |
| 06:28.05 | findlay | ls -l |
| 06:28.53 | SpecialK | what does that accomplish? |
| 06:29.10 | Maquis | it should have something like foo --> /dev/null |
| 06:29.16 | findlay | that shows you the link |
| 06:29.33 | findlay | among many other setcrts |
| 06:29.39 | findlay | secrets |
| 06:29.50 | findlay | but don't let anybody know |
| 06:29.52 | SpecialK | quite familiar with ls |
| 06:30.56 | tene | SpecialK: 'file' could help you as well |
| 06:36.10 | SpecialK | File -L doesn't derefence like it says it will |
| 06:36.50 | Maquis | SpecialK: is ls -l not giving you that info? |
| 06:37.18 | SpecialK | okay,maybe it's not alink. . . |
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| 06:37.32 | Maquis | ls -l would tell you if it was |
| 06:37.33 | peregrine | yes it does. "file -L" does dereference, which means it tells you about what the link points at, not the link. |
| 06:37.46 | tene | I think my crashes are related to xfree |
| 06:37.49 | peregrine | Here is a little tip, too: When using ls -l do this: |
| 06:37.57 | peregrine | ls -l somelink |
| 06:38.00 | tene | SpecialK: try 'file' |
| 06:38.01 | peregrine | do not do this |
| 06:38.04 | peregrine | ls -l somelink/ |
| 06:38.18 | Maquis | peregrine: zsh will automatically drop the / |
| 06:38.39 | peregrine | even after using autocompletion? |
| 06:38.45 | Maquis | peregrine: yup :) |
| 06:38.57 | Maquis | at least with the .zshrcs that i poached off of amcnabb and spr :) |
| 06:39.04 | peregrine | hmm. So how do you get it to list the contents of the dir that the link points too, if that is what you want. |
| 06:39.10 | peregrine | ? |
| 06:39.31 | Maquis | hmmm |
| 06:39.32 | tene | peregrine: type "ls /home/you" in a shell |
| 06:39.34 | Maquis | it does list the contents... |
| 06:39.38 | Maquis | it just drops the / |
| 06:39.40 | tene | you don't need the trailing / |
| 06:39.44 | tene | if it's just a dir |
| 06:39.54 | tene | but for an ls -L, the trailing / makes a difference |
| 06:40.05 | tene | and the meaning without the / is probably what you want |
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| 06:40.26 | tene | and if you really want the latter, then do 'ls -L somelink/*' |
| 06:40.47 | peregrine | you are right. But do the same thing when /home/you is a symlink to a dir. With the / shows the contents of the pointed to dir, and without shows the symlink. |
| 06:40.56 | tene | exactly |
| 06:41.02 | tene | it makes a difference |
| 06:41.13 | tene | if you want the latter, then you can explicitly do "ls link/*" |
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| 06:41.50 | peregrine | he does not want to deference with ls does he? I thought he was asking how to see where the link pointed to? |
| 06:42.21 | tene | the destination of the link |
| 06:42.47 | tene | like if you did "ln -s /bar/baz foo", he wants to get the "/bar/baz" out of "ls foo" |
| 06:42.53 | tene | that's how I read it, at least. |
| 06:43.00 | SpecialK | tene is right |
| 06:43.06 | SpecialK | it wasn't a link though |
| 06:43.12 | tene | yay, I'm correct! |
| 06:43.43 | findlay | hah, all this dialogue over a false link |
| 06:43.48 | SpecialK | spr can't leave, I need to yell at him complaining that the CS mail quota's won't let me delete my mail. |
| 06:43.49 | peregrine | :) |
| 06:44.08 | SpecialK | er storage quotas |
| 06:44.18 | tene | minimum storage quotas instead of max? |
| 06:44.26 | SpecialK | no max |
| 06:45.24 | Maquis | SpecialK went a bit too high... |
| 06:45.28 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 06:45.54 | Maquis | and i was annoyed that they re-enforced the quota before i had the chance to explode a sparse-file... :){ |
| 06:46.00 | Maquis | i'm sure newsome would've loved that :) |
| 06:47.18 | tene | ~lart Maquis for Newsome |
| 06:47.30 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 06:47.57 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 06:48.15 | findlay | |lart * |
| 06:48.29 | Maquis | |lart findlay |
| 06:48.47 | peregrine | Oh, now that one was just pure evil. |
| 06:51.19 | Newsome | haha |
| 06:53.37 | Newsome | dd if=/dev/zero of=BigFile bs=1G count=0 seek=2047 |
| 06:54.05 | Newsome | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.05 | Newsome | -rw-rw-r-- 1 sorenson sorenson 2.0T Jan 31 23:53 BigFile |
| 06:54.54 | Maquis | Newsome: :-D |
| 06:55.20 | Maquis | you don't want to know the tricks in a little "trick file" that i got... :) |
| 06:55.34 | Maquis | unfortunately, an awful lot of them require root... |
| 06:55.48 | tene | Maquis: just ask spr for root in the cs labs. |
| 06:55.52 | tene | I'm sure he trusts you. |
| 06:55.59 | Maquis | tene: been there, tried that.... |
| 06:56.01 | Maquis | didn't work |
| 06:56.30 | tene | hehe |
| 06:56.31 | Newsome | We never bothered to tell spr the root passwords. We don't trust him either :) |
| 06:58.13 | tene | hmm... I don't think I quite count as knowing you in person, right Maquis? |
| 06:58.23 | tene | or does the once or twice I've met you count? |
| 06:58.37 | Maquis | :) |
| 06:58.40 | Maquis | that's about how often Newsome has met me... |
| 06:58.47 | tene | 'kay |
| 06:58.55 | tene | and probably much more recently, too. |
| 06:59.03 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 06:59.39 | Newsome | yeah, too bad :) |
| 06:59.45 | Maquis | Newsome: does that ulimit stop things like :(){ : | :; };: ? |
| 07:00.33 | Maquis | the other one that i've been trying to figure out how to do somethign with would be setleds |
| 07:00.36 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:00.40 | Newsome | ulimit? |
| 07:00.47 | Maquis | whatever stops fork bombs |
| 07:00.54 | Newsome | ah, okay |
| 07:00.56 | Maquis | i thought andrew said it was somethign with ulimit |
| 07:01.11 | Newsome | right, it'll limit the number of processes, etc. |
| 07:01.23 | Maquis | yeah... that would stop that, wouldn't it? |
| 07:01.31 | Newsome | it should |
| 07:01.55 | Maquis | (i was considering testing it with a computer where the screen was just left unlocked, but then i decided not to be mean...) |
| 07:02.04 | Maquis | i wouldn't want to create more work for the sysadmins |
| 07:02.40 | Maquis | (causing problems for the person who left their screen unlocked would not provide any type of ethical dilemma for me... but causing trouble for the sysadmins does...) |
| 07:03.16 | Newsome | xset should allow you to turn on/off the leds (but probably only for yourself) |
| 07:03.23 | Newsome | heh |
| 07:04.11 | Newsome | At one point, I modified xscreensaver so that it would log someone out after a period of inactivity, but not everyone uses xscreensaver, and it wouldn't always work. |
| 07:04.30 | Maquis | Newsome: :) |
| 07:04.32 | Maquis | xlock :) |
| 07:04.53 | Maquis | Newsome: is there anyone besides andrew and i that uses evilwm on the dept computers? |
| 07:05.12 | Newsome | I'm not sure. It's not one of the more commonly-used ones |
| 07:05.16 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:05.35 | Maquis | i heard someone talking about going through one of the labs and changing the selection on all the computers to go into fluxbox at the next login |
| 07:05.47 | Maquis | then they sat and watched people get confused and be unable to figure things out... |
| 07:05.56 | Newsome | Then again, I use AfterStep, which isn't exactly very common either. |
| 07:06.05 | Newsome | heh. sounds evil :) |
| 07:06.08 | Maquis | it would've been much funnier if they'd set it to evil |
| 07:06.20 | Maquis | fluxbox gives you a toolbar and a menu |
| 07:06.23 | Maquis | evil gives you neither |
| 07:06.38 | Maquis | it doesn't even give you a term when you log in |
| 07:06.39 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:08.06 | Newsome | http://pel.cs.byu.edu/~sorenson/fun/meltdown.tar.bz2 <-- another fun toy for playing with X |
| 07:08.55 | Maquis | Newsome: why are you telling me about these? :) |
| 07:09.27 | Maquis | btw, are you really as intimidating as some people seem to think? |
| 07:09.33 | Newsome | hahaha |
| 07:09.39 | Maquis | it seems like the people that have had their accounts locked all think that you're intimidating |
| 07:09.45 | Maquis | but you just don't seem all that intimidating to me... |
| 07:09.49 | Newsome | I'm intimidating? hahaha |
| 07:09.55 | Maquis | then again, i've never had my account locked or anything like that... |
| 07:10.48 | Newsome | if I'm intimidating to people who have had their accounts locked, it's probably just because I'm annoyed I have to deal with silly little things |
| 07:10.59 | Newsome | I doubt most people would find me intimidating |
| 07:11.54 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:12.25 | Maquis | btw, i still hold that there is nothing in the lab rules relating to pranks |
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| 07:12.25 | Maquis | (i got into a bit of a disagreement with the sysadmins over that) |
| 07:12.27 | tene | hey Newsome, I still have an account in the BYU cs labs even though I had to leave BYU about 10 months ago. |
| 07:12.40 | tene | I don't use it often, but I do every once in a while. Is this a problem? |
| 07:13.02 | Newsome | Not unless you start any monkey-business. |
| 07:13.18 | Newsome | we usually just disable accounts once or twice a year |
| 07:13.36 | Newsome | and after you haven't taken a class recently |
| 07:14.31 | Maquis | Newsome: or when spr is in charge of writing the script :) |
| 07:15.28 | tene | kk, thx newsome |
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| 07:39.59 | HarleyPig | Does anyone know if there is a way to save pictures from a digital camera directly to the hard drive as you take the picture? |
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| 07:50.55 | tene | not if you don't stay in the channel, I don't. |
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| 08:18.17 | Maquis | i'll be back bright and early :) |
| 14:05.15 | mheath | I feel sacriligious |
| 14:05.40 | mheath | I'm a huge fan of GNU, yet my entire software distrobution doesn't contain a piece of GNU software other than Binutils and GCC |
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| 15:24.41 | capeddu | good morning all |
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| 16:20.02 | bonez39 | I have a hosting question...my wife's website is currently hosted by kjpstudios.com ... I don't know how much we pay them, but they host the site, and if we want to add email addresses or make changes we have to call or email them and have them make those, i.e., I can't administer it myself. My question: how much pain is involved in switching to a host where I have complete control, and dont' have to go through someone else to get things do |
| 16:20.02 | bonez39 | ne? How much should an autonomous host like I want cost per year, per month? |
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| 16:32.27 | sjansen | http://www.bluebroc.com/white.html |
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| 16:35.58 | Maquis | hmmm... thats odd |
| 16:36.19 | Maquis | nm |
| 16:36.35 | levi | Ponderous, man. Reeeeeally ponderous. |
| 16:38.36 | Maquis | why does xmms take less cpu than mpg123 or orpheus? |
| 16:40.41 | sjansen | must be using a different library, maybe takes advantage of optomized instructions |
| 16:41.21 | tensai | maybe xmms is playing random noise which just coincidentally sounds like the music you're expecting |
| 16:41.29 | Maquis | just seems cuonter-intuitive... |
| 16:44.33 | sjansen | bye goozbach |
| 16:44.42 | goozbach | well I'm goning to MN |
| 16:44.52 | Maquis | ????? |
| 16:45.08 | levi | I'm going to CA. |
| 16:45.30 | sjansen | Don't know if I should say who the client it, but we just got a call needing an instructor now. |
| 16:46.11 | sjansen | goozbach is going home to get his dirty clothes and catch a flight to MN |
| 16:46.12 | hans | sjansen: is the client guru labs cafeteria? |
| 16:46.37 | Maquis | now as in this week? |
| 16:46.44 | sjansen | now as in today |
| 16:46.44 | hans | jsmith: did you hear what our problem was? udp not tcp - tensai was firewalled on udp and we were naively using tcp methods to check whether it was running. |
| 16:47.13 | sjansen | must have had instructor cancel (or not show up) |
| 16:47.15 | Maquis | for the whole week? |
| 16:47.16 | jsmith | hans: That's what I figured. I would have told you to check that, but I got stuck in meetings. |
| 16:47.20 | sjansen | yep |
| 16:47.25 | jsmith | hans: netstat -nt --listen? |
| 16:47.25 | Maquis | and goo's going? |
| 16:47.28 | Maquis | that stinks |
| 16:47.41 | tensai | jsmith: yup. silly me |
| 16:47.44 | sjansen | I don't know, sounds like fun when your young and single. |
| 16:47.54 | neybar | sjansen: are you going to be in town for plug/nupm? |
| 16:48.00 | Maquis | but he was going to go to the uug meeting |
| 16:48.03 | hans | jsmith: yeah, tensai said to run netsat -lnt, and I didn't bother to think about it. I don't know the netstat options off the top of my head so I didn't realize that -t was TCP |
| 16:48.04 | jsmith | tensai: Don't worry -- I've done the same thing. |
| 16:48.06 | tensai | but we got it working and made a call |
| 16:48.14 | jsmith | tensai: Killer... |
| 16:48.21 | tensai | sip is tcp so I just assumed... |
| 16:48.32 | tensai | that is to say, sip has a tcp component |
| 16:48.33 | sjansen | neybar: nope |
| 16:48.42 | neybar | dang |
| 16:49.00 | tensai | sjansen: that's my fault isn't it |
| 16:49.08 | hans | for my part, no excuse. I knew it was udp. I just forgot to think of it. :) |
| 16:49.16 | jsmith | tensai: Most SIP is over udp, but *some* implementation support TCP. The RFC says you should be able to use either. |
| 16:49.37 | sjansen | tensai: yeah |
| 16:49.56 | tensai | ok, makes sense. I just saw asterisk with an open tcp socket and never thought past it. |
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| 16:50.34 | jsmith | tensai: With Asterisk, the call setup/teardown is on 5060 (tcp or udp), but the audio (rtp streams) are on high-numbered UDP ports. |
| 16:51.00 | tensai | sjansen: but I'm making locally famous brownies for you. that's gotta be worth something |
| 16:54.38 | Maquis | tensai: what'd you do??? |
| 16:55.15 | hans | I bet sjansen has to drive to idaho to teach tensai and his cronies |
| 17:03.16 | goozbach | :q |
| 17:06.58 | Maquis | tensai: ???? |
| 17:07.02 | Maquis | goozbach: :) |
| 17:08.26 | tensai | Maquis: I live and work in Idaho. our company is paying $$$ to GL for sjansen to come teach us. That engagement will prevent him from attending the plug meeting. |
| 17:09.18 | tensai | and then I'll take over the world. muhahahahahaha. |
| 17:09.27 | tensai | oops. I must have typed that out loud |
| 17:09.35 | hans | goozbach: is that licking its nose? |
| 17:10.02 | JoshH | why pay him when you can just absorb his knowledge from the pluglist and irc for free? |
| 17:10.20 | tensai | it comes with a neat sticker |
| 17:11.00 | Jayce^ | tensai just wants GL putty |
| 17:11.21 | JoshH | lol |
| 17:11.51 | hans | Feb 1 00:54:04 dent kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) |
| 17:11.57 | hans | oes that mean it was out of memory? |
| 17:12.12 | Jayce^ | hey tensai, byronc is talking this month at plug on the relatively same topic you last presented on.. |
| 17:13.09 | hans | :) this wasn't my workstation |
| 17:13.24 | hans | still, it only has a gig. I would have expected more on this server |
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| 17:31.14 | sjansen | ~lart hans for changing the List-ID |
| 17:33.03 | hans | ~lart whoever came up with "pluglist" in the first place |
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| 17:34.07 | hans | jakea: I want one of those remote controlled ships |
| 17:34.42 | hans | but it will accept mail for pluglist@plug.org still |
| 17:38.39 | jakea | hans: Is this in reference to Enterprise? Cause I still need to watch the tape |
| 17:39.03 | hans | um, no, it's, um, the after-school backstreet boys special. |
| 17:39.05 | hans | yeah, that's it. |
| 17:39.10 | jakea | lol |
| 17:39.26 | jakea | I'd take a TARDIS over a spaceship any day |
| 17:40.16 | Jayce^ | hans, my problem is that I'm also on a list named kplug :) had to adjust my rule a touch :) |
| 17:41.17 | tensai | hans: yeah, you messed up my plug.org.in mailing list. how will I hear when the next meeting is? |
| 17:41.28 | hans | :) |
| 17:42.46 | Jayce^ | ~lart tensai |
| 17:43.06 | Jayce^ | should change that to 'mechanical squirrels' for all the WoW players :) |
| 17:49.08 | hans | tensai: did you end up blogging that? wanna check for accuracy. :) |
| 17:49.57 | tensai | http://www.zmonkey.org/blog/node/29 |
| 17:50.10 | tensai | what, me make a mistake? :) |
| 17:50.38 | hans | well, I changed a few things that you might end up inadvertently lying about. |
| 17:53.13 | tensai | as long as they were right when I wrote them |
| 17:53.26 | tensai | what things? |
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| 17:53.31 | hans | well that's what I'm saying. between when I pasted my config and when we got it working. |
| 17:53.56 | tensai | ok. please expound |
| 17:54.49 | hans | nothing important, it seems. |
| 17:54.51 | hans | just fiddling. |
| 17:55.04 | hans | I like the monkey screeching heaven bit. :) |
| 17:55.22 | Jayce^ | hans, did you get the old archives from mike? |
| 17:55.32 | Jayce^ | old as well as really old archives? |
| 17:57.11 | hans | sort of. we got them but haven't put them in place yet. not really old, yet. waiting on him |
| 17:57.42 | Jayce^ | k |
| 17:57.47 | sjansen | mailman.plug.org doesn't respond |
| 17:57.58 | tensai | I also noticed that |
| 17:58.08 | Jayce^ | figured a fun thing to do would be to have somebody crawl it, and rank the 'highest posters' :) |
| 17:58.08 | hans | should it? |
| 17:58.23 | sjansen | yes, it should |
| 17:58.29 | hans | why? |
| 17:58.31 | sjansen | We want to keep old links working. |
| 17:58.45 | hans | works now |
| 17:58.47 | sjansen | Even if it's just a redirect to the new location. |
| 17:59.11 | hans | nobody mentioned it when I was groping for dns addresses |
| 17:59.25 | Jayce^ | yeah well, one of those we hadn't seen :) |
| 18:00.11 | hans | if I'm gonna take the blame, you're gonna get to fix it. ;-) |
| 18:00.18 | Jayce^ | it's been an hour at least :-p |
| 18:00.49 | Jayce^ | and it's still not bricolage... |
| 18:00.58 | sjansen | Nope, it's not. |
| 18:01.03 | sjansen | Although we're coming close. |
| 18:01.39 | Jayce^ | switching to apache 2 will be easier soon.. mason now supports it, officially |
| 18:02.01 | sjansen | Might be easier, but I don't want to for at least 6 months. |
| 18:02.15 | Jayce^ | so bricolage will support it soon |
| 18:02.18 | sjansen | Preferably a year. Once we get bric stabalized, I'd like to spend some time on it. |
| 18:02.32 | sjansen | Not chase upgrades. |
| 18:02.54 | Jayce^ | mr. "I hate outdated systems" |
| 18:03.05 | sjansen | Got some cool ideas, though. Bric is very nifty. |
| 18:03.51 | Jayce^ | very |
| 18:09.10 | tensai | hans: http://www.plug.org/pipermail/plug/ is a 404 |
| 18:09.20 | hans | yup |
| 18:09.37 | hans | sjansen: do you know what the real url is? |
| 18:09.49 | sjansen | give me a moment |
| 18:11.10 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: I set up bric before as a demo - I agree, not very easy to set up. |
| 18:11.37 | Uncle_Jesse | Jayce^: it's about time on the mason thing - the code has been out there for awhile |
| 18:11.56 | Jayce^ | it was still in too much flux though |
| 18:12.05 | Jayce^ | mp2 official should be any day now though |
| 18:12.10 | Uncle_Jesse | that's probably true. I haven't had any problems though. |
| 18:12.15 | Uncle_Jesse | that will be awesome |
| 18:12.25 | Uncle_Jesse | I've been using it for awhile now - no major problems |
| 18:12.41 | Uncle_Jesse | Of course I haven't used it on any major production environments yet |
| 18:13.44 | Newsome | who broke plug's emails? |
| 18:13.48 | Uncle_Jesse | right now I think they're considering that, plone, or some other OSS one that NightRidder uses |
| 18:14.43 | Newsome | ~lart hans |
| 18:19.11 | brailsmt | any css knowledgable ppl out there? |
| 18:19.21 | brailsmt | how can I constrain a style to a certain set of elements? ie, I have nested lists of links, Iwant the top level of links to have a specific formatting, the rest of the links will have another formatting... |
| 18:19.31 | brailsmt | the problem i am having is that the style i specify for the top level is also appearning in the nested lists... |
| 18:20.28 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.28 | brailsmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:20.56 | brailsmt | i want the top level links to be white, the rest of them to be gray, but they are all white... |
| 18:21.40 | levi | brailsmt: You should have the general style defined first, then override it for the ones you want to be different. |
| 18:22.26 | levi | Maybe your override is not matching correctly. |
| 18:28.58 | sjansen | ~dig mailman.plug.org |
| 18:29.07 | sjansen | ~host mailman.plug.org |
| 18:29.10 | ibot | see nslookup mailman.plug.org |
| 18:29.19 | sjansen | ~nslookup mailman.plug.org |
| 18:44.00 | sjansen | ~lart hans for changing the plug list |
| 18:44.28 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
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| 18:45.40 | Maquis | |lart sjansen |
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| 18:49.22 | hans | I could change it more |
| 18:49.26 | hans | there's this reply-to thing |
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| 19:01.47 | sjansen | ~lart hans for making sjansen break out mod_rewrite |
| 19:04.22 | sjansen | ~hug RedirectMatch |
| 19:04.25 | ibot | ACTION hugs RedirectMatch |
| 19:04.29 | sjansen | Save from mod_rewrite again! |
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| 19:13.12 | stuporglue | When every user has a public_html dir that is accessable via foo.com/~username, is that done with virtual hosts? |
| 19:13.41 | sjansen | usually not |
| 19:13.46 | sjansen | usually just mod_userdir |
| 19:14.08 | stuporglue | thanks |
| 19:14.34 | stuporglue | Oh, same thing where you can also access each users public_html via http://user.foo.com? |
| 19:14.57 | sjansen | not sure, check the docs at httpd.apache.org |
| 19:15.02 | stuporglue | thanks |
| 19:18.33 | sjansen | ~spell repurcussions |
| 19:18.35 | ibot | possible spellings for repurcussions: repercussions repercussion's repercussion percussions repressions |
| 19:22.21 | sjansen | One nice thing about moving the plug list, sure is fast now. |
| 19:24.21 | Jayce^ | yeah, dedicated box, plenty of ram |
| 19:24.26 | Jayce^ | now to get that second proc going |
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| 19:32.14 | feutetejsd | hi all...I'm trying to boot a 2.6.10-1.753_FC3 kernel on a P3 1GHz running on a machine with an Intel Serverboard STL2 motherboard, and it hangs during boot. After I see "OK booting the kernel," I get a line that says audit(xxxxxxxxx.xx.xx) and then that's it--it never gets any further. It runs the 2.6.9 kernel just fine. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Disabling selinux in grub.conf doesn't help.... |
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| 19:37.10 | jsmith | feutetejsd: Try booting with acpi disabled? |
| 19:37.48 | feutetejsd | ok, I'll have to give that a whirl. the machine is at home, so I'll have to try it tonight |
| 19:39.03 | Jayce^ | feutetejsd, what's with the new nick? |
| 19:39.16 | feutetejsd | ?? |
| 19:39.24 | feutetejsd | this has always been my nick on IRC |
| 19:39.41 | feutetejsd | this is my first time in #utah |
| 19:39.43 | Jayce^ | ahh, somebody who used to come here a lot used the same name in his info |
| 19:39.51 | Jayce^ | granted, common enough :) |
| 19:39.54 | feutetejsd | Flanders? |
| 19:39.57 | Jayce^ | yeah |
| 19:40.06 | feutetejsd | ah |
| 19:40.14 | Jayce^ | anyways, welcome :) |
| 19:40.54 | feutetejsd | thanks :) |
| 19:49.19 | Maquis | ls |
| 19:50.24 | levi | feutetejsd: This is when you need to let us know your programming language, editor, and operating system preferences. ;) |
| 19:50.36 | feutetejsd | heh...sorry |
| 19:50.53 | Jayce^ | we must categorize our flames according to your tender spots :) |
| 19:51.01 | feutetejsd | how generous of you |
| 19:51.28 | feutetejsd | ummmm....how about PHP, vi, and OS X |
| 19:51.32 | Jayce^ | we like people to feel at home.. |
| 19:51.39 | Jayce^ | strike on the first one, the others are good though :) |
| 19:51.45 | sjansen | Oo, another PHP user! |
| 19:51.55 | Maquis | release the lions |
| 19:52.04 | feutetejsd | bah! |
| 19:52.06 | Maquis | (and the pit bulls) |
| 19:52.09 | RyanE | isn't this the Php and Linux Users Group? :) |
| 19:52.15 | jsmith | RyanE: Good one! |
| 19:52.24 | Maquis | |kart RyanE |
| 19:52.32 | Jayce^ | ~lart RyanE |
| 19:52.32 | RyanE | ouch. I hate being karted |
| 19:52.41 | Maquis | Jayce^: ummm... ok... |
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| 19:53.10 | xbmodder_lappy | hey |
| 19:53.13 | Jayce^ | Maquis, gotta remember the important simpsons quotes in this channel.. |
| 19:53.18 | xbmodder_lappy | hahah |
| 19:53.20 | xbmodder_lappy | ~quote |
| 19:53.25 | xbmodder_lappy | ~quote RHAT |
| 19:53.25 | Maquis | Jayce^: kinda hard to do, given my experience with simpsons... |
| 19:53.36 | RyanE | isn't it 'dogs with bees in their mouths'? |
| 19:53.40 | Jayce^ | Maquis, we really gotta get you up to speed in geekdom.. |
| 19:54.34 | sjansen | Starting by tying her to a chair and making her watch 18 straight hours of cult classic movies. |
| 19:55.03 | RyanE | not the comfy chair! |
| 19:55.16 | Jayce^ | ND, better off dead, strange brew, anything python.. |
| 19:55.42 | Jayce^ | "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition" |
| 19:55.51 | Maquis | ~distract Jayce^ |
| 19:55.53 | ibot | ACTION puts on a blonde wig and saunters past Jayce^. "Hello, sailor! Wanna go for a ride?" |
| 19:55.59 | Jayce^ | ROFL |
| 19:56.05 | sjansen | princess bride, uhf |
| 19:56.09 | Jayce^ | oh yeah |
| 19:56.30 | Jayce^ | LOTR marathon (extended of course) |
| 19:56.36 | Maquis | does knowing tunak tunak tun count for anything? |
| 19:57.02 | Jayce^ | Maquis, depends, do you know what "Klatu, barada, niktor" is from? |
| 19:57.45 | Maquis | wo bu yao shuo hua... you hen duo de gongke |
| 19:57.58 | sjansen | extra credit for watching Willow |
| 19:59.03 | Bradipo | Klatu is from The Day the Earth Stood Still, but I don't recognize the other two. |
| 19:59.25 | Bradipo | Unless that is a command given to Klatu... |
| 19:59.26 | Jayce^ | Bradipo, not quite, all together they are from "Army of Darkness" |
| 19:59.36 | Bradipo | I see, taken together. |
| 19:59.51 | Jayce^ | the enchantment he has to say before taking up the necronimicon... :) |
| 20:00.06 | Bradipo | Aha! |
| 20:00.55 | levi | I knew that one. :) |
| 20:01.10 | levi | Army of Darkness is wondeful. |
| 20:01.13 | Jayce^ | movie filled with chessy effects, and wonderful one-liners |
| 20:01.25 | Jayce^ | "good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" |
| 20:01.28 | xbmodder_lappy | i don't see why in the terminal they don't use google translator.... |
| 20:02.00 | levi | "hail to the king, baby" |
| 20:02.15 | xbmodder_lappy | google rules... they could over throw cuba |
| 20:02.26 | Jayce^ | "that's what we call pillow talk" |
| 20:02.35 | Jayce^ | "You got ugly" |
| 20:02.39 | xbmodder_lappy | what? |
| 20:02.49 | xbmodder_lappy | they should over throw cuba... |
| 20:03.10 | levi | xbmodder_lappy: You might want to summon your context-analyzing skills if you don't understand what we're saying. |
| 20:03.28 | xbmodder_lappy | i think this is some show.... |
| 20:03.35 | xbmodder_lappy | army of darkness? |
| 20:03.35 | brigham | army of darkness is wondeful. |
| 20:03.36 | levi | "the name's Ash. Housewares." |
| 20:03.49 | xbmodder_lappy | but i find these quotes amazingly boring.... |
| 20:04.32 | levi | That's because you haven't seen the movie. Or possibly because you are amazingly boring. It's hard to say from here. |
| 20:04.44 | xbmodder_lappy | levi, now that was funny. |
| 20:05.14 | xbmodder_lappy | Still laughing. |
| 20:05.33 | JoshH | i finally saw napoleon dynamite a couple days ago |
| 20:05.39 | Jayce^ | JoshH, about time :) |
| 20:05.40 | JoshH | all of it except for the last 20 minutes actually |
| 20:05.54 | xbmodder_lappy | JoshH, it was pretty funny... |
| 20:05.56 | Jayce^ | did you miss his personal dance? |
| 20:06.08 | xbmodder_lappy | tho it sucks for a geek going through junior high |
| 20:06.11 | JoshH | ya, but ive seen a clip of that part on the net |
| 20:07.40 | JoshH | it was a pretty funny movie. it reminded me of all kinds of people i know. |
| 20:07.46 | xbmodder_lappy | Ha! |
| 20:08.46 | JoshH | i swear i used to know a guy in elementary school who would put tater tots in his pocket |
| 20:08.47 | Jayce^ | a .iso is iso9660 right? |
| 20:08.53 | JoshH | he was totally like napoleon |
| 20:09.49 | Jayce^ | yeah, napolean reminded me a lot of neybar :) |
| 20:09.59 | xbmodder_lappy | ?????? ?????? ??????? ????????? ??????. ??? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?????. ??? ????????? ?????????, ??? ??? ?? ?????. |
| 20:10.05 | xbmodder_lappy | i know russion :) |
| 20:10.11 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, run a file on it |
| 20:10.21 | levi | Jayce^: Should be. |
| 20:11.09 | Jayce^ | not mounting as loopback for some reason, trying to figure out why |
| 20:11.18 | Maquis | xbmodder_lappy: you'll be a bit more believable when you can spell it... :) |
| 20:11.39 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, do this 'file (file.iso)' |
| 20:11.47 | JoshH | ya,, rushin, not russion |
| 20:11.54 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, i just realized that before you said it... |
| 20:11.56 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 20:12.42 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, did you file it? |
| 20:13.06 | Jayce^ | yeah, 'data' |
| 20:13.27 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, its crap.... |
| 20:13.48 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, what file? KNOPPIX? |
| 20:14.04 | Jayce^ | no, iso from the NRG file |
| 20:14.17 | levi | Hrm. |
| 20:14.19 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, run 'file' on the NRG file |
| 20:14.40 | levi | Jayce^: Time to break out the hex editor and the ISO header spec. ;) |
| 20:15.32 | Jayce^ | hehe |
| 20:15.56 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, how did you get the ISO from NRG? |
| 20:16.05 | Jayce^ | nrg2iso |
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| 20:16.35 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, run 'file' on the NRG file. what do you get? |
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| 20:18.13 | Jayce^ | data |
| 20:18.58 | JoshH | mount -t is09660 it and see if it works |
| 20:19.05 | tensai_ | Jayce^: a hex editor will solve any problem known to man |
| 20:19.24 | RyanE | a hex editor and a large pipe wrench |
| 20:19.46 | Jayce^ | JoshH, that's what got me to this point |
| 20:20.11 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, the .NRG file was also corrupted. Its all your fault! btw: where didja get this .NRG file from? |
| 20:20.22 | JoshH | hmmm |
| 20:20.25 | Jayce^ | a friend |
| 20:20.43 | xbmodder_lappy | Jayce^, rm -rf friend |
| 20:20.52 | Jayce^ | nah, too good of a hookup |
| 20:21.05 | xbmodder_lappy | hahah |
| 20:22.00 | xbmodder_lappy | i have actually done this: sys.unlink('/bin/rm') |
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| 20:28.00 | tene | cat sjansen > /dev/full |
| 20:32.19 | tene | http://video.lisarein.com/dailyshow/jan2005/jan202005/01-20-05-daily-walmart.mov |
| 20:33.24 | xbmodder_lappy | haah |
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| 20:59.32 | joshc | any of you into ebay? |
| 21:00.46 | joshc | guess not.. |
| 21:00.53 | jsmith | joshc: Why? |
| 21:01.06 | joshc | i just signed up. been looking around for some things. |
| 21:01.13 | joshc | and my brother is an addict |
| 21:01.28 | joshc | just wondered if anyone on here was really into it |
| 21:04.47 | joshc | ~logs |
| 21:04.49 | ibot | i heard logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian, or stats for some channels at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz for apt, ibot, jbot and purl. |
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| 21:09.28 | joshc | so it looks like google is sort of broken when it comes to indexing these irc logs |
| 21:09.36 | *** part/#utah pseudoshroom (~schallee@lando.cs.byu.edu) |
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| 21:10.00 | joshc | their link does not include the %23 before utah, so you have to manually hack their link |
| 21:10.46 | joshc | anyway, it sure sucks that this is all logged. creeps me out. |
| 21:12.38 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 21:15.47 | joshc | lappy..? |
| 21:18.58 | mrpull_ | Josh... http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Items#Strong_Bad.27s |
| 21:19.21 | mrpull_ | or more specifically: http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Lappy_486 |
| 21:19.29 | sjansen | just think of it as a real time plug list |
| 21:20.18 | joshc | thats kind of like thinking about a telephone as being a realtime postal letter |
| 21:20.51 | joshc | they are too different |
| 21:20.59 | joshc | and are used in completely different ways |
| 21:23.33 | xbmodder_lappy | http://iwantmyvacation.com/ BASH THE BOSS! |
| 21:23.36 | xbmodder_lappy | weee |
| 21:23.53 | xbmodder_lappy | 74.8 |
| 21:31.24 | joshc | 70.7 |
| 21:31.45 | joshc | seems a little arbitrary |
| 21:32.25 | sjansen | hrwiki.org is cool |
| 21:32.53 | JoshH | 75.3 |
| 21:33.35 | joshc | 75.3 is max it looks like |
| 21:34.49 | JoshH | ya |
| 21:34.53 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 21:34.58 | joshc | broken app |
| 21:34.59 | xbmodder_lappy | nice work JoshH |
| 21:35.28 | xbmodder_lappy | do you guys know of a place to get a nice system without windows? |
| 21:36.17 | scott_ | an apple retailer? |
| 21:36.38 | JoshH | newegg |
| 21:36.41 | xbmodder_lappy | X86? |
| 21:36.41 | brigham | X86 is pretty nice... |
| 21:36.52 | hans | brigham, forget X86 |
| 21:36.52 | brigham | okay then :) |
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| 21:37.05 | hans | don't want him spreading lies. |
| 21:37.35 | joshc | brigham, who are you? |
| 21:37.35 | brigham | you best check yo'self |
| 21:37.45 | joshc | brigham, why are you such a huge nerd? |
| 21:37.46 | brigham | don't ask me |
| 21:38.02 | joshc | brigham, do you like icecream? |
| 21:38.03 | brigham | don't ask me |
| 21:38.08 | joshc | what a jerk |
| 21:38.59 | joshc | why is brigham so unfriendly? |
| 21:40.00 | joshc | brigham, will you be my friend? |
| 21:40.01 | brigham | dunno |
| 21:40.02 | bonez39 | with 27 wives..who would be cheery? I'd be dead tired.... |
| 21:40.06 | Maquis | |lart joshc |
| 21:40.11 | Maquis | brigham? |
| 21:40.11 | brigham | brigham is the Lion of the Lord |
| 21:40.13 | joshc | lol |
| 21:40.14 | Maquis | maquis? |
| 21:40.15 | brigham | maquis is a budding Linux wizard facing distinct challenges on the path to becoming a grey beard. |
| 21:40.18 | Maquis | :) |
| 21:40.33 | bonez39 | what's a grey beard? other than the obvious? |
| 21:40.38 | hans | joshc? |
| 21:40.51 | joshc | he doesnt know about me i guess |
| 21:40.52 | joshc | sniff |
| 21:41.00 | hans | windows? |
| 21:41.01 | brigham | windows is nothing but a reactionary conglomeration of features. Linux is, at its core, a great but very dated idea that's now on the same path as Windows. |
| 21:41.26 | hans | wonder who taught him that |
| 21:41.43 | joshc | brigham, sing me a song. |
| 21:41.56 | Jayce^ | hans, musta been mheath :-p |
| 21:41.58 | bonez39 | brigham, how do you figure that? |
| 21:41.58 | joshc | someone should teach him 'daisy' |
| 21:41.58 | brigham | dunno |
| 21:42.00 | Jayce^ | hurd? |
| 21:42.28 | sjansen | hurd is doomed |
| 21:42.47 | sjansen | joshc is, like, this guy. You know? |
| 21:42.51 | sjansen | hurd? |
| 21:42.51 | brigham | hurd is doomed |
| 21:43.00 | bonez39 | sjansen, fer real? hehe |
| 21:43.10 | bonez39 | like? |
| 21:43.14 | joshc | do i talk like that? |
| 21:43.31 | bonez39 | young girls..from the valley in cally...talk like that |
| 21:43.40 | Jayce^ | nah, you're just the cali import :) |
| 21:43.42 | sjansen | joshc: It's actually a spin on a HHG2G quote. |
| 21:43.45 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 21:43.52 | joshc | and old girls talk like that |
| 21:44.01 | joshc | from the early 80's |
| 21:44.02 | xbmodder_lappy | whats the difference between openmosix and beowulf |
| 21:44.38 | joshc | i dont think there is anything to beowulf |
| 21:44.51 | joshc | openmosix is a bunch of clustering software |
| 21:44.59 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 21:45.20 | sjansen | ~sjansen |
| 21:45.21 | ibot | i guess sjansen is one hoopey frood who really knows where his towel is |
| 21:45.25 | xbmodder_lappy | ~xbmodder |
| 21:45.27 | ibot | xbmodder is, like, a world record setting 14 year old great guy who lives in paradise |
| 21:45.29 | sjansen | Also a Hitch Hiker's reference. |
| 21:45.29 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 21:46.12 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart * |
| 21:46.16 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 21:46.18 | bonez39 | beowulf..isn't that something that gobbles up peasants in olde england? |
| 21:46.22 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart %n |
| 21:46.33 | joshc | and sets them on fire |
| 21:46.42 | joshc | er, burninates them |
| 21:46.59 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 21:47.09 | xbmodder_lappy | burninating the villagers |
| 21:47.19 | hans | peasants |
| 21:47.24 | hans | in thatched roof cottages. |
| 21:47.33 | xbmodder_lappy | i hate ATI |
| 21:47.33 | sjansen | beowulf is also for clustering |
| 21:47.47 | sjansen | But I don't know the architectural differences. |
| 21:47.57 | joshc | is there actual beowulf software? |
| 21:48.44 | joshc | i didnt think there was |
| 21:50.02 | joshc | you guys play 'peasants quest' ? |
| 21:50.21 | joshc | it's very funny. |
| 21:52.30 | sjansen | huh, looks like beowulf is a type of design and mosix is a subset of beowulf |
| 21:52.46 | joshc | another way of saying that is: |
| 21:53.08 | joshc | "beowulf is a bunch of linux marketing bs, and mosix is some clustering software" |
| 21:53.37 | joshc | ;-) |
| 21:53.46 | sjansen | Looks like that's a pretty fair evaluation. |
| 21:54.03 | sjansen | Although beowulf isn't Linux specific. |
| 21:54.30 | joshc | and COM isn't microsoft specific |
| 21:54.37 | hans | but beowulf is a cool name, and mosix is like some ill-fated combination of motif and posix |
| 21:54.55 | joshc | i think they should name something 'grue' |
| 21:55.05 | joshc | from the zork series |
| 21:55.14 | hans | and I think someone should put pgdn/pgup support in top. |
| 21:55.15 | hans | grr |
| 21:56.10 | joshc | you know, i've been thinking that irc logs would be a great way for people to perform 'virtual dead-drops' |
| 21:56.58 | joshc | i mean, you could make up some freaky, arbitrary phrase like "purple insights in the mess" and then a url afterwords, like 7777e7e777e2.com |
| 21:57.29 | joshc | and then google would index you weird arbitrary phrase, and folks could fine the unpublished freaky url |
| 21:58.07 | joshc | ^find |
| 21:59.02 | joshc | but then again, i'm not sure how useful that is. i havent thought about it much. |
| 22:00.04 | mheath | Jayce^ hans, musta been mheath :-p <--Nope, but I agree :) |
| 22:01.56 | Jayce^ | joshc, my old server at home was named grue |
| 22:05.29 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 22:09.21 | xbmodder_lappy | ANYONE here wanna play imaze? |
| 22:09.40 | xbmodder_lappy | my server :) |
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| 22:30.58 | joshc | jayce, i hope you dont use it in the dark |
| 22:31.06 | joshc | ttyl |
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| 22:46.55 | xbmodder | ~quote qqqq |
| 22:57.42 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart qqqq |
| 22:58.57 | levi | Anyone here use JVDS? |
| 22:59.35 | xbmodder_lappy | ~windows |
| 22:59.36 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, windows is a 32 bit hack on a 16 bit operating system, originally designed for an 8 bit CPU, with a 4 bit system bus, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition... |
| 22:59.48 | xbmodder_lappy | hahha |
| 23:00.48 | xbmodder_lappy | ~genuis |
| 23:00.53 | xbmodder_lappy | ~genius |
| 23:00.54 | ibot | An arbitrary precision integer and multiple precision floatingpoint calculator. URL: http://www.5z.com/jirka/genius.html |
| 23:01.23 | xbmodder_lappy | really? |
| 23:02.46 | xbmodder_lappy | how come halo2 looks better than some animation? |
| 23:03.53 | xbmodder_lappy | .ut |
| 23:04.06 | xbmodder_lappy | i think we should have a .ut domain name... |
| 23:04.19 | xbmodder_lappy | why don't we? |
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| 23:09.54 | xbmodder_lappy | ping |
| 23:10.00 | tene | xbmodder_lappy: .ut.us |
| 23:10.10 | xbmodder_lappy | tene, i know about that... |
| 23:10.28 | tene | why .us? |
| 23:10.28 | xbmodder_lappy | i am saying .ut (we would have our own mini DNS) |
| 23:10.31 | tene | err |
| 23:10.34 | tene | why .ut? |
| 23:10.39 | xbmodder_lappy | because US rules the world |
| 23:11.00 | xbmodder_lappy | or so it seems |
| 23:11.18 | xbmodder_lappy | when i was in india the kids were learning more about US history |
| 23:14.32 | tene | xbm: why do you want a .us tld? |
| 23:14.42 | tene | ack |
| 23:14.45 | tene | xbm: why do you want a .ut tld? |
| 23:14.49 | tene | I keep making that typoe |
| 23:14.51 | tene | gah |
| 23:14.52 | tene | typo |
| 23:15.18 | xbmodder_lappy | hahha |
| 23:15.19 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 23:17.12 | xbmodder_lappy | because it would be a mini-internet nobody knows about |
| 23:18.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ~IMHO |
| 23:18.28 | ibot | IMAP webmail module for Roxen. URL: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~stewa/IMHO/, or "In My Humble Opinion" |
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| 23:20.10 | xbmodder_lappy | so? |
| 23:20.11 | brigham | so is /S-O/ n. 1. (also `S.O.') Abbrev. for Significant Other, almost invariably written abbreviated and pronounced /S-O/ by hackers. Used to refer to one's primary relationship, esp. a live-in to whom one is not married. See {MOTAS}, {MOTOS}, {MOTSS}. 2. The Shift Out control See: SO2 |
| 23:27.42 | Maquis | |lart headaches |
| 23:30.06 | tene | ~lart maquis' head |
| 23:30.18 | Maquis | thanks tene |
| 23:30.28 | tene | you're welcome |
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| 23:40.27 | xbmodder_lappy | usps sucks. it only starts tracking when the package arrives |
| 23:50.06 | hans | the word has been given for wifi at selena's |
| 23:50.39 | Jayce^ | how's business the first few days? |
| 23:50.56 | hans | I hear they're doing pretty well. Already have a few regulars |
| 23:52.14 | stuporglue | What's Selenas? I just got here... |
| 23:52.33 | hans | my inlaws' restaurant. texmex 3rd south state orem |
| 23:52.49 | drewbono | an PLUG admins in here? |
| 23:53.05 | Jayce^ | yup |
| 23:53.11 | drewbono | Nice. |