| 00:00.03 | emcnabb-treo | later |
| 00:00.06 | macnewbold | we need to teach ibot something fun for ~upgrade <someone>.... |
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| 00:00.33 | findlay | yes, in this context it was the concept of appealing to ibot for some abstract action in the like that ibot is typically used |
| 00:01.01 | findlay | whether or not ibot understood is superfluous |
| 00:01.13 | findlay | if we think like Plato |
| 00:01.24 | findlay | or mathemeticians |
| 00:14.44 | hans | Mecworks: ping |
| 00:43.13 | goozbach | pong |
| 00:51.04 | hans | |lart goozbach |
| 00:52.21 | vontrapp | haha, "Afterwards my kidney and liver hurt" |
| 00:52.42 | RyanBE | vt: you arrive home yet? |
| 00:53.35 | vontrapp | RyanBE: no, still at work, just finished fixing some data problems with just about every space in a mobile home park |
| 00:53.53 | vontrapp | ~lart data problems |
| 00:54.01 | RyanBE | data problems in mobile home park? sounds like nightmates. |
| 00:54.20 | vontrapp | yep, and this nightmare started in november |
| 00:54.22 | RyanBE | my wife wants me to run some errands "If I'm going out"... |
| 00:54.35 | vontrapp | all because some tax got in the utilities that wasn't supposed to be there |
| 00:54.44 | vontrapp | hopefully this will be the last time it haunts us |
| 00:54.48 | RyanBE | sounds like a good excuse to pick up the FXO, whether the 2nd has come or not. :) |
| 00:55.07 | vontrapp | ok, i'll be home in appx 25min |
| 00:55.22 | RyanBE | ok, can you email me the address and total? |
| 00:55.30 | vontrapp | sure |
| 00:55.43 | RyanBE | vontrapp@ericksonfamily.com |
| 00:55.58 | wps | any Linode users that I can toss a few questions at? |
| 00:56.06 | vontrapp | that |
| 00:56.12 | vontrapp | 's where you want me to mail it to? |
| 00:56.15 | RyanBE | sure |
| 00:56.21 | vontrapp | ok |
| 00:57.09 | RyanBE | hehe... anything@ericksonfamily.com comes to me... sorry to pop your balloon... |
| 00:57.23 | RyanBE | I just give 'em out so if someone spams me (not like you will), I can cut it off. |
| 00:57.42 | wps | it's not tech support... I am curious about the quality and experience |
| 00:58.09 | RyanBE | wps: maybe the right people arent online right now, I've heard good experiences from some others in this group. |
| 00:58.25 | wps | yeah, me too |
| 00:58.37 | wps | am looking into it right now and was interested in some more specifics |
| 01:01.42 | mheath | Hmm. Someone should make a BusyBox + ulibc based distro |
| 01:01.50 | RyanBE | dinnertime. later. |
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| 01:02.15 | levi | mheath: It's called openembedded. |
| 01:02.23 | mheath | You could probably have a complete, functioning CLI system with a sane development environment, all the man pages...everything you could want...in less than 75 |
| 01:02.33 | mheath | levi: I'm not looking for an embedded system. |
| 01:02.56 | mheath | I'm looking for a versatile, full featured system that could be used anywhere |
| 01:03.05 | levi | mheath: openembedded doesn't have to be. It'll just build a busybox/uclibc system for you. |
| 01:04.47 | levi | Or at least build the basis of one. |
| 01:05.09 | mheath | levi: "Basically OpenEmbedded is a build system that can generate (cross-compile) Software packages for embedded targets." <-- From the openembedded website |
| 01:06.19 | levi | Okay, if you don't want to use your brain, I won't talk to you. |
| 01:06.31 | levi | Geez. |
| 01:07.22 | levi | I'm just saying that if you want to build a root filesystem based on uclibc and busybox, the openembedded tools will do it for you. |
| 01:07.44 | mheath | levi: if you have openembedded builds to do it all, it seems. |
| 01:08.03 | levi | |levi Or at least build the basis of one. |
| 01:08.58 | levi | The collection of software in openembedded right now is pretty large. Adding new software requires doing some porting work, since not all packages work with uclibc out of the box. |
| 01:09.08 | levi | So, you could either duplicate all that work, or start from scratch. |
| 01:09.38 | levi | Anyway, I'm going home now. Knock yourself out. |
| 01:12.15 | mheath | levi: I'm not looking for the basis of a system. You can do that by running two commands, using a tool that uLibc distributes |
| 01:12.32 | mheath | Maybe I should have been more clear. My distrobution I meant "Software distrobution" :) |
| 01:12.44 | findlay | '/2544444 |
| 01:19.33 | goozbach | scorched |
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| 01:32.28 | findlay | any iptables gurus here? |
| 01:34.10 | macnewbold | ~fish iptables |
| 01:34.12 | ibot | ACTION slaps iptables around with a large trout |
| 01:38.05 | findlay | I have a really simple question, that may insinuate some large measure of ignorance, wontonness, and a premonition for abject woe |
| 01:38.43 | findlay | if I have this: |
| 01:38.44 | findlay | archimedes linux # iptables -L INPUT |
| 01:38.44 | findlay | Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) |
| 01:38.44 | findlay | target prot opt source destination |
| 01:39.32 | findlay | and I can't ssh in from outside on port 5000, does that mean that the ISP is blocking the port? |
| 01:39.46 | findlay | I have ssh configured to listen on port 5000 |
| 01:39.46 | Bradipo | Possibly. |
| 01:39.52 | Bradipo | Did you try to sniff it with tcpdump? |
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| 01:40.15 | findlay | because Rusty says that the default behavior in the abscence of rules is to ACCEPT |
| 01:40.16 | Bradipo | tcpdump -n -e -ttt -i <fw ext interface> tcp and port 5000 |
| 01:40.29 | Bradipo | Well, it shows the default policy is ACCEPT. |
| 01:40.49 | Bradipo | You have an iptables that is wide open basically? |
| 01:41.16 | Bradipo | Also, are you sure it is listening on 5000? |
| 01:41.58 | findlay | yeah, at least in /etc/ssh/ssh_config: Host * \ Port 5000 |
| 01:42.02 | Bradipo | netstat -an | grep 5000 |
| 01:42.23 | findlay | nothing |
| 01:42.28 | Bradipo | Sounds like it isn't listening. |
| 01:42.34 | Bradipo | How about: telnet localhost 5000 |
| 01:42.53 | Bradipo | Oh, by the way... |
| 01:42.58 | Bradipo | ssh_config is for the client, not the daemon. |
| 01:43.04 | findlay | OK |
| 01:43.05 | Bradipo | You need to modify sshd_config for sshd. |
| 01:43.24 | findlay | I was wondering why there seemed to be essentially two of the same config file |
| 01:43.36 | Bradipo | Yeah, they aren't the same. |
| 01:44.01 | Bradipo | Or at least shouldn't be. |
| 01:46.12 | findlay | tcpdump is gathering no information from interface eth0 |
| 01:47.22 | findlay | Bradipo: do you think it's safe to allow sshd to listen to a port that may be unblocked with no firewall setup? |
| 01:49.13 | Bradipo | If you keep it patched and up to date. |
| 01:49.30 | Bradipo | And you have good passwords. |
| 01:49.46 | Bradipo | There are many script kiddies out there these days that are running dictionary attacks against open sshd. |
| 01:50.26 | Bradipo | Although, it is less likely that they will find you on port 5000. |
| 01:50.29 | findlay | yeah, pretty good, but I've edited the correct file now, yet ssh still behaves as before on port 22, tcpdump shows nothing |
| 01:53.07 | findlay | so the open ports shown by nmap are those allowed by the ISP |
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| 01:53.34 | findlay | it looks like they're outgoing only |
| 01:53.46 | LeviHome | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.07 | amcnabb | Mac Minis are awesome. |
| 01:54.18 | amcnabb | Definitely drool-worthy. |
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| 01:54.56 | tensai | ~lart power outages |
| 01:55.13 | findlay | what about the HP mini boxen which are about the same thing, but not as popular? |
| 01:55.31 | tensai | so the power goes out at the datacenter and I have to fly over there to take care of things |
| 01:55.53 | tensai | turns out they couldn't fix what they came to fix because the wires were frozen in the conduit |
| 01:56.03 | tensai | so they wasted an hour and a half of my time for nothing |
| 01:57.40 | tensai | and when I called the power company to see if they knew about the outage, the guy said there were no problems so I'd have to go over and investigate |
| 01:58.00 | tensai | I guess he didn't bother to check for schedule outages |
| 01:58.36 | tensai | move to Idaho. I'll hook you up. |
| 02:03.30 | amcnabb | findlay, Macs just work. |
| 02:06.37 | Maquis | macks do work |
| 02:06.41 | Maquis | s/macks/macs |
| 02:07.04 | Maquis | i like macs, although my trust level has gone down somewhat since os8.1 |
| 02:07.12 | Maquis | (more from the fact that i don't use them anymore) |
| 02:11.00 | amcnabb | My trust level has gone up since os8.1 |
| 02:11.11 | amcnabb | They actually have a kernel now. |
| 02:12.48 | Maquis | :) |
| 02:13.01 | amcnabb | seriously |
| 02:13.16 | amcnabb | Cooperative multitasking was a clever idea, but it just stunk. |
| 02:13.38 | LeviHome | Heh. It had a kernel before, just not one with the features you wanted. :) |
| 02:14.20 | amcnabb | I suppose it depends how you define a kernel. |
| 02:14.54 | amcnabb | It was more like DOS in that sense. |
| 02:28.29 | LeviHome | DOS didn't provide virtual memory. |
| 02:29.43 | LeviHome | Or much of anything beyond a filesystem and program launcher. |
| 02:30.34 | amcnabb | oldschool MacOS didn't provide real VM. |
| 02:30.59 | LeviHome | Define 'real VM' and 'oldschool MacOS' |
| 02:31.09 | amcnabb | MacOS pre MacOS X. |
| 02:31.15 | dataw0lf | Define 'define' |
| 02:32.12 | amcnabb | And VM="translation on each memory reference from a virtual address to a physical address" |
| 02:34.14 | amcnabb | If a program went over the pre-allocated amount specified in the Get-Info window, it would crash hard on the spot. |
| 02:34.33 | amcnabb | (some would warn you ahead of time) |
| 02:36.19 | LeviHome | Well, that doesn't mean there wasn't virtual memory. It just means that processes weren't given their own virtual memory. |
| 02:37.01 | LeviHome | When virtual memory was turned on, the MMU did map addresses, I believe. It just made the whole system memory appear larger than it was. |
| 02:38.02 | amcnabb | Whatever happened, the apps didn't know about it, so it didn't have much benefit. And it wasn't added until OS 8 anyway. |
| 02:38.43 | LeviHome | No, OS 7 had it. |
| 02:38.45 | Maquis | anybody know of a linux port of the old b&w version of dark Castle? |
| 02:38.54 | Maquis | (the way that it was on the old mac classic?) |
| 02:38.57 | LeviHome | Maquis: You can run it on a Mac emulator. |
| 02:39.15 | Maquis | do they still have that old b&w version someplace? |
| 02:39.30 | scott_ | anyone know of any really great news sites regarding especially sweet software/programming stuff? A few years ago I used to like slashdot a ton, but now I find that everything on there is boring as ... |
| 02:39.39 | LeviHome | amcnabb: And it had a great benefit of letting you run more apps than you had physical memory for. Or giving an app a larger memory space than you had physical memory for. |
| 02:39.48 | dataw0lf | Maquis: Have you tried google? |
| 02:40.10 | LeviHome | Maquis: I'm sure you could find a disk image somewhere. |
| 02:40.11 | Maquis | dataw0lf: kinda... i am in the process... but figured i'd ask while i googled |
| 02:40.22 | LeviHome | Maquis: I've got a friend who could probably get it for you if you can't find it. |
| 02:40.48 | dataw0lf | http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/abandonware/pc/arcade_action/games_da_dn/dark_castle.html |
| 02:40.49 | Maquis | coo... i'll look sometime when i haven't promised myself that i'm going to study for the test tomorrow |
| 02:40.56 | Maquis | dataw0lf: thanks :) |
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| 02:41.26 | LeviHome | scott: Depends on what kind of software/programming stuff you're interested in. |
| 02:41.38 | amcnabb | I had bad luck with the "VM" because I had some older machines without much memory. It was very, very short of robust. |
| 02:46.53 | LeviHome | Maquis: See http://mac.the-underdogs.org/ |
| 02:47.28 | LeviHome | Hrm, actually Dark Castle doesn't seem to be there. |
| 02:47.35 | LeviHome | But there are a lot of other Mac games. |
| 02:48.52 | LeviHome | This was a fun one: http://mac.the-underdogs.org/index.php?show=game&id=269 |
| 02:51.58 | LeviHome | I also had this one, another fun rpg: http://mac.the-underdogs.org/index.php?show=game&id=479 |
| 03:02.18 | LeviHome | Apparently Dark Castle is not abandonware. Delta Tau is selling an updated version of it: http://www.deltatao.com/darkcastle/ |
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| 03:04.54 | bart__ | any iProvo/HomeNet users here? |
| 03:07.48 | goozbach | erj I think is on iProvo |
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| 03:20.12 | findlay | sjansen: you're it! |
| 03:20.34 | goozbach | heh |
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| 03:21.27 | sjansen | Too unpredictictable, an Atlantis Bomb is much safer |
| 03:21.36 | goozbach | true that |
| 03:21.49 | goozbach | it's mutually assured destruction however |
| 03:22.17 | goozbach | heh I've got two kernels compiling concurrently on my new box |
| 03:23.10 | goozbach | it's still flying along much faster than I've ever compiled before |
| 03:23.19 | goozbach | |praise SMP |
| 03:23.31 | goozbach | ~lart brigham |
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| 03:41.01 | Maquis | |lart cs345 |
| 03:49.20 | LeviHome | Maquis: Which class is cs345 again? |
| 03:49.32 | Maquis | LeviHome: Operating Systems |
| 03:49.41 | Maquis | it's grinding me into a very fine powder |
| 03:49.44 | LeviHome | Ahh, okay. Never got around to that one. |
| 03:49.47 | Maquis | beating me into a pulp |
| 03:49.57 | LeviHome | What are your projects in it these days? |
| 03:50.12 | Maquis | project that's due next tuesday is an OS Scheduler |
| 03:50.29 | Maquis | haven't gotten very far on it because of other classes and the test i have to take tomorrow |
| 03:50.46 | Maquis | a week and a half ago, we turned in the shell lab... |
| 03:51.02 | LeviHome | Do you still have to write a fat filesystem? |
| 03:51.15 | Maquis | after the scheduler, we have the "dining philosophers" lab (let all the philosophers get their processes finished without starvation) |
| 03:51.18 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 03:51.23 | Maquis | then, we have distributed systems... |
| 03:51.29 | Maquis | and then the VM lab |
| 03:51.38 | Maquis | and then 2 labs on creating a fat12 filesystem |
| 03:51.50 | Maquis | project due every other tuesday... |
| 03:52.05 | Maquis | tests spaced every once in a while... |
| 03:52.32 | LeviHome | Sounds like fun stuff to learn, though. |
| 03:52.48 | Maquis | it is... |
| 03:53.04 | Maquis | it's just a really hard class... and it's killing me |
| 03:53.59 | LeviHome | Well, you'll survive. And you'll know all about operating systems afterwards. |
| 03:54.16 | Maquis | i sure hope so.... |
| 03:55.17 | Maquis | hahaha |
| 03:59.11 | sjansen | cs345 was a blast |
| 04:00.03 | Maquis | sjansen: i think it'll be a blast when i look back on it |
| 04:09.27 | tensai | 345 was pretty cool. the fat labs just about killed me. boy did I have a few nasty buffer overflow errors that took forever to find. |
| 04:21.08 | mheath | I'm about to ask a really odd question.... |
| 04:21.25 | mheath | Can the GNU Toolchain be built with Minix's ANSI C Compiler? |
| 04:21.56 | sjansen | probably not |
| 04:22.15 | sjansen | Most GNU code take advantage of GCC specific extensions. |
| 04:22.46 | sjansen | Although if you boot strapped... |
| 04:22.54 | mheath | Of course |
| 04:23.06 | mheath | But bootstrap still requires a working binutils and host compiler |
| 04:23.35 | mheath | So, a better question would be: can binutils be built with MINIX's ANSI C Compiler, and does MINIX's ANSI compiler fufill the needs of GCC's bootstrap? |
| 04:23.44 | Maquis | anyone know how to lower the mixer in orpheus? i kinda accidentally opened it |
| 04:23.45 | sjansen | I haven't looked at binutils and gcc itself. Just other code that was obviusly gcc dependent. |
| 04:24.19 | sjansen | Of course they have to be better behaved with binutils and gcc, so... |
| 04:25.26 | sjansen | If I had to make a bet, I'd bet the gcc writer at this point would say to use gcc to cross compile in order to bootstrap. |
| 04:25.35 | Maquis | aha! |
| 04:25.44 | mheath | sjansen: no |
| 04:25.45 | sjansen | But that's just a wild guess. levi and others might have a better idea. |
| 04:25.50 | mheath | It's set to use the host compiler |
| 04:25.53 | Maquis | escape, escape... (single esc didnt work |
| 04:26.13 | mheath | I KNOW you can use variations like the compiler than ships with Solaris, variations of commercial UNIX, etc |
| 04:26.28 | mheath | Just, Minix's is ANSI C |
| 04:26.51 | mheath | And if Binutils, GNU LibC, or GCC has any c99 specific code... |
| 04:28.20 | LeviHome | I've been playing with binutils and gcc for the past few days, but only building them with gcc. |
| 04:28.34 | LeviHome | Why do you need to bootstrap with the Minix compiler? |
| 04:28.42 | mheath | Well.. |
| 04:28.58 | mheath | I've been looking at different OSes to boot on my laptop, and I'm getting a little fed up |
| 04:29.14 | mheath | No Linux distros fufill my requirements (either too big or too minimalistic) |
| 04:29.32 | mheath | NetBSD...the newer versions are too big, the older versions dont support my network card |
| 04:29.50 | mheath | I thought I'd give Minix a try |
| 04:29.58 | mheath | But only, I want a sane development environment |
| 04:30.16 | mheath | Something that a limited and old ANSI C compiler doesn't give me. |
| 04:31.10 | LeviHome | Couldn't you bootstrap on your gnu-compiler box and target the minix one? |
| 04:31.37 | mheath | Good point...but can a toolchain be cross compiled? |
| 04:31.44 | mheath | I had the impression that didn't work too well |
| 04:32.15 | mheath | Argh! For the first time in my life, I hate Google! |
| 04:32.33 | mheath | It marks "Minix" as a spelling mistake, and suggests you correct it to "Unix" |
| 04:32.38 | LeviHome | Yes, of course toolchains can be cross compiled. |
| 04:33.40 | Maquis | 'toolchain |
| 04:33.49 | Maquis | ~toolchain |
| 04:33.50 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, toolchain is at http://www.handhelds.org/pub/linux/arm/toolchain, or see factoid other-toolchains |
| 04:34.04 | Maquis | ~other-toolchains |
| 04:34.05 | ibot | other-toolchains are at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains, or http://openzaurus.org/official/toolchain/, or at http://www.csh.rit.edu/~jeffm/pub/cross/arm-linux/ppc/ which can be modified to work with Zaurus cross development, or can be found at http://www.handhelds.org/~joshua/ |
| 04:37.15 | mheath | Haha. I found instructions for building GCC 1.37.1 on Minix :D |
| 04:39.28 | goozbach | ever get the feeling you're forgetting to do something important?... |
| 04:39.33 | goozbach | like wear pants? |
| 04:39.49 | goozbach | I just tried to leave the house without putting any pants on. |
| 04:40.00 | Maquis | umm... |
| 04:40.08 | Maquis | you might want to lay off whatever it is that you're on |
| 04:41.35 | goozbach | I blame having too much blood in my caffiene stream |
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| 04:44.22 | findlay | maybe |
| 04:44.36 | findlay | nevermind |
| 04:46.54 | mheath | Over the thought of goozbach having no pants? :D |
| 04:48.07 | goozbach | yeah... ummm... I'm gonna have to ask you... |
| 04:48.17 | goozbach | to _NEVER_ talk to me again |
| 04:49.02 | sjansen | no, silly, I was counter pointing findlay's wit with my lack |
| 04:49.42 | goozbach | it sure lacked wit |
| 04:49.47 | goozbach | you still at the office? |
| 04:50.04 | sjansen | yeah, well... I know you are but what am I? |
| 04:50.17 | goozbach | bearded |
| 04:50.56 | sjansen | I'm rubber, you're glue. |
| 04:51.13 | goozbach | ohh hairy rubber |
| 04:51.16 | goozbach | gross |
| 04:52.14 | sjansen | Tip tow through the daisies with me! |
| 04:52.29 | goozbach | tulips you twit |
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| 05:00.00 | goozbach | sjansen: you don't have to quit |
| 05:00.14 | goozbach | it's a game that just begs to be played |
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| 05:07.37 | sjansen | So I'm working on http://test.plug.org/preview/ |
| 05:08.06 | sjansen | I liked hans' idea of incorporating some yellow, but I can't figure out where to put it. |
| 05:08.13 | goozbach | sjansen: why is there a picture of a strangelove on the top right corner |
| 05:08.37 | RyanBE | and it renders crummy in Konqueror. I guess my fault for using a faulty browser. :) |
| 05:08.50 | sjansen | crummy? |
| 05:09.08 | RyanBE | the announcement text flows over the search / local groups / IRC column on the right |
| 05:09.28 | Maquis | sjansen: what if you put the background to the "The provo linux users group welcomes..." box as yellow? |
| 05:09.31 | sjansen | then yes, your browser is crummy |
| 05:09.31 | Maquis | how does htat lok |
| 05:09.48 | RyanBE | looks fine in firefox, of course. |
| 05:10.07 | sjansen | RyanBE: could you show me a screen shot? |
| 05:10.09 | RyanBE | konq. 3.2.1 |
| 05:10.09 | goozbach | hows abt a box around the colum headers with a light yellow background |
| 05:10.17 | RyanBE | yeah, let me make one... what's the easiest way in Linux? |
| 05:10.39 | Maquis | the only way i know to get a screenshot is to use the button in gkrellm |
| 05:10.58 | sjansen | try print screen, your distro might have it setup |
| 05:11.08 | sjansen | otherwise gimp is one of the easiest ways |
| 05:11.09 | Maquis | what's the "correct" way to do it? |
| 05:11.18 | RyanBE | firing up gimp as we speak |
| 05:12.31 | goozbach | GRRR |
| 05:12.40 | goozbach | RHEL-3 is so freaking dated |
| 05:12.43 | RyanBE | http://www.ericksonfamily.com/plug_konq.jpg |
| 05:12.51 | Maquis | goozbach: use gentoo :) |
| 05:12.55 | goozbach | RHEL-4 is not yet here |
| 05:13.17 | goozbach | Maquis: I'd like a distro I'm very famliar with |
| 05:13.20 | sjansen | no longer a child, not yet a woman |
| 05:13.34 | Maquis | sjansen: ??? |
| 05:13.41 | Maquis | sjansen: are the columns in divs? |
| 05:13.51 | Maquis | is it possible that it could've done that because a div wasn't closed? |
| 05:13.56 | sjansen | table |
| 05:14.08 | goozbach | tsk tsk |
| 05:14.15 | Maquis | sjansen: i don't get your "no longer a child, not yet a woman" comment... |
| 05:14.16 | sjansen | tsk tsk nothing |
| 05:14.22 | RyanBE | well, I'd suspect something's wrong, as konq doesn't render too many pages this far off. |
| 05:14.23 | goozbach | banish tables from your layout |
| 05:14.23 | sjansen | rhel3/rhel4 |
| 05:15.11 | sjansen | the table was carefully chosen to linearize nicely while displaying well in a certain piece of trash brownser used by the largest part of the Web market |
| 05:15.14 | goozbach | Maquis: the other problem I have is that I want something with a long life, hence my adverson to using FC |
| 05:15.26 | sjansen | tables are not the problem, their misuse is |
| 05:16.40 | sjansen | In my opinion, it's a Konq bug. |
| 05:17.09 | sjansen | I've told the table to keep a margin on the left large enough for the side content. |
| 05:17.24 | sjansen | Of the remaining space, 48% is supposed to go to the left column. |
| 05:18.01 | sjansen | Instead of using 48% of the space available to the block, Konq it taking 48% of the viewport. |
| 05:18.34 | RyanBE | true, probably a konq bug, if it stays that way, I'll just open it in Firefox, or if I'm REALLY REALLY desperate, I'll use IE under Wine... |
| 05:19.52 | sjansen | I might be able to trick it by wrapping the table in a div. |
| 05:20.13 | sjansen | But I hate putting into non-semantic markup. |
| 05:20.31 | sjansen | (Yes, gooz, the table is semantic.) |
| 05:20.42 | goozbach | :D |
| 05:20.49 | Maquis | semantic? |
| 05:21.10 | goozbach | dealing with what the data "is" not what it should look like |
| 05:21.22 | Maquis | mmk |
| 05:21.48 | goozbach | my next question.. is it validated xhtml? |
| 05:22.00 | goozbach | cause that'd be cool |
| 05:22.27 | sjansen | If it isn't it should be. |
| 05:23.01 | sjansen | nope, looks like I have alot of cleaning to do |
| 05:23.21 | goozbach | I just pumped it through a validitor as well |
| 05:23.28 | sjansen | thanks for the reminder, might just help with konq |
| 05:23.58 | RyanBE | well, if you want me to check it with my likely-broken konq, let me know. |
| 05:24.09 | goozbach | smash things that belong to your roommates |
| 05:24.22 | goozbach | that'll help |
| 05:24.46 | goozbach | blah I ate all my food and I'm still hungry |
| 05:25.08 | Maquis | too bad... |
| 05:25.09 | Maquis | i wanted some |
| 05:26.30 | goozbach | ohh! when? |
| 05:27.22 | Maquis | is there one around provo? |
| 05:27.41 | goozbach | Maquis: you'll have to go when you head back home |
| 05:27.57 | tensai | I've never heard of it outside this channel. I only assume they have cheesecake there. |
| 05:28.34 | Maquis | goozbach: is there one in seattle? |
| 05:28.44 | RyanBE | I've only been once, in CA. Yummy. Too crowded. |
| 05:28.56 | goozbach | I believe so |
| 05:29.38 | Maquis | ah... |
| 05:29.39 | goozbach | http://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/frames.asp?fm=locations&pg=http://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/locations_state.asp?st=WA |
| 05:30.05 | Maquis | the mall closest to my house, over the course of last semester, got a coldstone creamer, macaroni grill, claim jumper, and an apple store |
| 05:30.11 | Maquis | it was a big change |
| 05:30.15 | Maquis | and i was mighty excited |
| 05:30.20 | tensai | http://www.thecheesecakefactory.com/images/locations_map.gif |
| 05:30.33 | tensai | oh. somebody beat me to it. :( |
| 05:31.08 | goozbach | I've got to start marking off which ones I go to... I'm losing track |
| 05:32.21 | goozbach | wow there are 6 new ones going in |
| 05:32.49 | Maquis | ipes! |
| 05:32.55 | Maquis | belle square and pike st... |
| 05:33.11 | Maquis | those are each about an hour from my house! |
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| 06:00.36 | sjansen | brb |
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| 06:41.54 | sjansen | http://test.plug.org/preview/ |
| 06:42.43 | Maquis | looks good :) |
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| 06:45.54 | sjansen | Any Konq users out there? |
| 06:46.00 | xbmodder | nope! |
| 06:46.52 | Maquis | i could emerge it... but i think that someone running something other than gentoo could probably do so faster... :) |
| 06:48.05 | sjansen | Feels almost done, but not quite unified. |
| 06:48.18 | sjansen | Maybe it's because I'm having such a hard time accepting the yellow. |
| 06:50.08 | Maquis | sjansen: you could tone it down a bit |
| 06:50.36 | Maquis | have it match the slightly fogged colors of tux's feet, rather than the color they would be if they weren't fogged... :) |
| 06:53.40 | sjansen | I can't find any color that I really like for the background of the sub-headings. |
| 06:54.00 | sjansen | What I just switched to looks cleanest to me. |
| 06:54.21 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 06:54.33 | Maquis | did you try having the welcome-message with a yellow background? |
| 06:54.42 | sjansen | can't stand it |
| 06:54.42 | Maquis | (not a strong yellow... a faded yellow)? |
| 06:54.47 | Maquis | mmk |
| 06:55.16 | Maquis | on the right-side bar, you have some little dots around "links" and such/// |
| 06:55.25 | sjansen | I could do an almost white, but then the page is that much more boring. |
| 06:55.32 | Maquis | can you add those around Meetings and announcements? |
| 06:58.09 | sjansen | I don't think I like it. Breaks the nice line, harder to read. |
| 06:58.47 | Maquis | dunno |
| 06:58.53 | sjansen | look at it |
| 06:58.58 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 06:58.59 | Maquis | juts did... |
| 06:59.08 | Maquis | it needs some color on those headings |
| 06:59.51 | Maquis | i think it looks kinda cool with the little dots... |
| 07:01.04 | Maquis | if you grabbed the colors off of Tux's feet, and used those, instead of the colors of his feet when he's not faded.... |
| 07:02.18 | sjansen | find a good one and give me the hex to try |
| 07:02.39 | Maquis | if you could send me the picture of tux in the backgroud... |
| 07:02.54 | Maquis | i was thinking, if you open that up in gimp, and use the color selector, you could get that... |
| 07:03.02 | sjansen | http://test.plug.org/preview/watertux.png |
| 07:03.23 | sjansen | I'm poking at it, but not finding anything I like. |
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| 07:04.24 | Maquis | sjansen: the way you were doing it was 2-toned, right? |
| 07:05.03 | sjansen | yeah |
| 07:05.17 | sjansen | what do you think now? |
| 07:05.50 | Maquis | what if the main color was: 255,240,188 (what's the alpha value for?) |
| 07:05.59 | sjansen | give me hex |
| 07:06.15 | Maquis | you want me to calculate that? |
| 07:06.21 | Maquis | oh wait... |
| 07:06.28 | Maquis | i just figured out how to get that |
| 07:06.29 | sjansen | alpha is translucency |
| 07:06.38 | Maquis | ffe4c5 |
| 07:06.49 | Maquis | (that was for the other color... not the main one) |
| 07:07.06 | Maquis | main color would be fff6b8 |
| 07:07.32 | Maquis | (i'm guessing here... i don't know what it's going to look like... it looks good on tux though... |
| 07:07.35 | Maquis | ) |
| 07:08.11 | Maquis | emcnabb: welcome home! :) |
| 07:09.14 | sjansen | I think that's workable. |
| 07:10.17 | Maquis | wow... we have the laptop-screen problem on that... |
| 07:10.18 | Maquis | :) |
| 07:10.29 | emcnabb | hello |
| 07:10.30 | sjansen | ? |
| 07:10.32 | Maquis | it looks great if i lean my screen back |
| 07:10.40 | Maquis | if i look at it straight on, it looks white :) |
| 07:10.46 | emcnabb | so Lisa and I went to Village Inn on our way home from the airport; and right as we got there Lamont and his wife showed up |
| 07:10.46 | Maquis | (poor screen) |
| 07:10.52 | emcnabb | we had dinner together |
| 07:10.55 | Maquis | emcnabb: fun! :) |
| 07:13.19 | sjansen | now I don't like the yellow of the dots |
| 07:13.25 | sjansen | don't blend with the other colors |
| 07:14.25 | Maquis | try the color that you used as the contrast for the other piece? |
| 07:14.25 | sjansen | too light |
| 07:14.25 | Maquis | emcnabb: http://test.plug.org/preview/ |
| 07:14.38 | Maquis | ooh... i like the colored lines |
| 07:14.59 | Maquis | i don't think that the dots look too different... |
| 07:15.35 | Maquis | they look like a stronger version of the faded tux-colors |
| 07:15.42 | Maquis | granted, i'm on a laptop with an older screen... |
| 07:15.59 | sjansen | there we go |
| 07:16.30 | sjansen | instead of muted 2px line, a harder 1px line looks much better and ties together the colors |
| 07:16.43 | Maquis | not sure which i like better... |
| 07:16.46 | Maquis | both look good to me... |
| 07:17.14 | Maquis | that's a cool tux pic though :) |
| 07:17.42 | Newsome | Looks kinda cool, but the text makes more sense if you read all the words backwards. |
| 07:17.49 | sjansen | wish I could take credit for more than just finding it and fading it a bit |
| 07:24.08 | sjansen | Newsome: I don't suppose you use Kongueror? |
| 07:25.21 | Maquis | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.55 | sjansen | he is |
| 07:26.19 | Maquis | methinks my roommate is going to burn herself on her halogen lamp when she wakes up... |
| 07:26.31 | Maquis | methinks methinks is the coolest word :) |
| 07:30.10 | Maquis | sjansen: did you know that methinks is used in a hymn? :) |
| 07:30.17 | Maquis | hymn 284 :) |
| 07:30.25 | Maquis | 2nd verse |
| 07:32.27 | Maquis | sjansen: trap vs interrupt? |
| 07:32.40 | Maquis | interrupt jumps to the interrupt handler |
| 07:33.13 | Maquis | is the difference just that a trap is thrown from inside the program and an interrupt is signalled from outside the program? |
| 07:33.20 | Maquis | s/program/process? |
| 07:34.30 | sjansen | What traps interrupt the heart of men? Only Newsome knows. |
| 07:34.54 | Maquis | ??? |
| 07:35.23 | sjansen | For some odd reason I've assosciated The Shadow with Shadow Stevens, ever since I first saw him on Hollywood Squares. |
| 07:35.37 | Maquis | sjansen: was i right? |
| 07:35.46 | sjansen | (That's an explanation of the previous comment, but I'm sure you didn't understand it.) |
| 07:35.57 | Maquis | tyger tyger burning bright |
| 07:36.02 | Maquis | in the shadows of the night |
| 07:36.08 | Maquis | what immortal hand or eye |
| 07:36.15 | Maquis | could frame thy fearful symmetry |
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| 07:37.04 | sjansen | I bet Newsome understood the reference 'cause he's real old. Ancient even. |
| 07:37.06 | Maquis | (the first stanza of the most infuriating poem) |
| 07:37.19 | Maquis | the entire poem rhymes, except the first and last stanza... |
| 07:37.30 | Maquis | (actually, that is the first and last stanza) |
| 07:37.57 | Maquis | sjansen: so... do you know the answer to my question? |
| 07:38.04 | sjansen | nope |
| 07:38.15 | Maquis | :( |
| 07:38.17 | sjansen | But I could ramble some more if you'd like. |
| 07:38.21 | Maquis | haha |
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| 07:38.57 | sjansen | http://www.pulps.westumulka.com/shadow/ |
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| 07:55.53 | findlay | sjansen: ramble! ramble!!!1! |
| 08:15.45 | findlay | k/me rambles on in sjansen's stead in unintelligible mumbles for the sake of blather |
| 08:16.21 | findlay | but then suddenly and quite distinctly decides to |
| 08:16.24 | Maquis | man... |
| 08:16.33 | Maquis | bingbing's in a ton of pain |
| 08:16.58 | Maquis | you'd think they would've given her some painkillers1 |
| 08:18.26 | xbmodder | bingbing? |
| 08:18.34 | xbmodder | your room mate? |
| 08:19.00 | Maquis | yeah |
| 08:19.08 | Maquis | one of them |
| 08:19.11 | Maquis | she's pretty sick |
| 08:19.18 | Maquis | been sick since sunday |
| 08:19.34 | Maquis | about another week left (hopefully less) |
| 08:19.42 | Maquis | then she'll be better... |
| 08:19.43 | xbmodder | do you know what she has? |
| 08:19.48 | Maquis | kidney stone |
| 08:20.13 | xbmodder | ooo god that sucks |
| 08:20.25 | xbmodder | that really hurts... |
| 08:20.29 | xbmodder | i've heard |
| 08:20.34 | Maquis | she had one a year ago |
| 08:20.39 | Maquis | to the day... |
| 08:21.45 | xbmodder | have they been burned out? |
| 08:22.51 | Maquis | ?? |
| 08:23.01 | Maquis | hers can't be zapped, if that's what you're asking... |
| 08:23.04 | Maquis | too small |
| 08:23.12 | xbmodder | ouch |
| 08:23.28 | xbmodder | so she has to let her body flush it out.... |
| 08:23.36 | Maquis | yup |
| 08:23.39 | xbmodder | or she hopes her body will work... |
| 08:23.43 | xbmodder | that sucks... alot |
| 08:23.46 | Maquis | yup |
| 08:24.04 | Maquis | and the way we know that it's exactly a year away from her last one is that last year, she was a week into it on her birthday |
| 08:24.12 | Maquis | and her birthday's this sunday... |
| 08:24.19 | xbmodder | wow |
| 08:24.25 | xbmodder | thats unlucky... |
| 08:24.30 | Maquis | yeah... |
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| 08:29.02 | Maquis | that was quick! |
| 08:29.18 | Maquis | i didn't even get to lart him? |
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| 08:44.34 | xbmodder | hahaha |
| 08:50.19 | xbmodder | should i shave my head |
| 08:50.27 | xbmodder | i am gettin' a haircut tommorow... |
| 08:50.32 | xbmodder | should i just shave it |
| 08:50.44 | sjansen | too cold |
| 08:50.50 | sjansen | wait until summer |
| 08:51.04 | xbmodder | good idea.... |
| 08:51.16 | xbmodder | god i hate this cold |
| 08:51.21 | xbmodder | i love my nose... |
| 08:51.24 | sjansen | watch your language |
| 08:51.33 | xbmodder | sjansen, what'd i say? |
| 08:51.39 | xbmodder | hate/god? |
| 08:51.42 | Maquis | sjansen: you're still up? |
| 08:51.48 | sjansen | taking God's name in vain |
| 08:52.05 | xbmodder | sjansen, i am not christian |
| 08:52.05 | sjansen | Maquis: poking around a bit to find out what it takes to create a non-profit in Utah |
| 08:52.10 | sjansen | I am. |
| 08:52.40 | xbmodder | sjansen, and are you an administrator? |
| 08:52.54 | sjansen | Do I need to be for you to be respectful? |
| 08:53.23 | Maquis | xbmodder: we'd like for you to respect our God, even if you don't believe in Him |
| 08:53.43 | Maquis | sjansen: have you ever had problems getting the at command to work correctly? |
| 08:53.52 | xbmodder | Maquis, i am ok with respecting your religous feeling... |
| 08:53.55 | sjansen | just remembering the syntax |
| 08:53.55 | Maquis | i was trying to use it for an alarm clock... |
| 08:54.05 | sjansen | make sure that atd is running |
| 08:54.06 | Maquis | and i read through the man page |
| 08:54.11 | Maquis | i checked those things |
| 08:54.15 | xbmodder | i want to know is sjansen was an admin because he is always warning people |
| 08:54.25 | xbmodder | Maquis, don't fall into the AT trick! |
| 08:54.27 | Maquis | it still didn't turn on my mp3 player in the morning |
| 08:54.50 | Maquis | xbmodder: sjansen is not an admin, but he's friends with the admins... |
| 08:54.51 | sjansen | Have you tried setting a simple command for 5 minutes into the future? |
| 08:55.05 | Maquis | sjansen: i tried using xmms 5 minutes in the future... |
| 08:55.08 | xbmodder | Maquis, it won't work... i tried it... it borked out... i ended up using xmms-alarm (i set the volume to 100%) woke up everyone in the house |
| 08:55.08 | xbmodder | :) |
| 08:55.09 | Maquis | didn't work too well |
| 08:55.21 | Maquis | xmms-alarm? |
| 08:55.27 | sjansen | It's possible to limit who can use at... |
| 08:55.40 | Maquis | sjansen: wouldn't it throw some sort of error? |
| 08:55.46 | sjansen | Check /etc/at.allow and /etc/at.deny |
| 08:55.56 | sjansen | I don't think so. |
| 08:56.00 | Maquis | i thought i checked those already, but i'll check again |
| 08:56.16 | xbmodder | macnewbold, xmms-alarm.. it is portage |
| 08:56.32 | xbmodder | Maquis, at just has some problems with mp3 playing |
| 08:56.33 | Maquis | sjansen: i'm not in at.deny |
| 08:56.36 | xbmodder | don't worry about it |
| 08:57.05 | sjansen | And at.allow doesn't exist? |
| 08:57.10 | Maquis | nope |
| 08:57.18 | sjansen | huh |
| 08:57.19 | xbmodder | Maquis, cool you rule! |
| 08:58.09 | xbmodder | hahaha |
| 08:58.10 | xbmodder | :) |
| 08:58.20 | Maquis | it's been a long day |
| 08:58.21 | xbmodder | you can use cron... |
| 08:59.16 | xbmodder | Maquis, so hows life going? |
| 08:59.34 | Maquis | busy, tiring... |
| 08:59.41 | Maquis | how do i use this? |
| 08:59.47 | Maquis | command not found? |
| 09:00.34 | xbmodder | no |
| 09:00.36 | xbmodder | start xmms |
| 09:00.36 | xbmodder | :) |
| 09:00.51 | xbmodder | you know how to do that right? |
| 09:00.55 | Maquis | yeah |
| 09:00.57 | Maquis | got that |
| 09:01.03 | Maquis | i didn't see it in the menus though |
| 09:01.16 | xbmodder | Ctrl+P |
| 09:01.24 | xbmodder | that opens up preferences |
| 09:01.31 | Maquis | ah... |
| 09:01.39 | xbmodder | go to Genereal plugins |
| 09:01.54 | Maquis | ok... |
| 09:01.55 | xbmodder | Alarm should be one of the first |
| 09:01.55 | xbmodder | :) |
| 09:01.56 | Maquis | found the alarm |
| 09:02.00 | xbmodder | w00t |
| 09:02.15 | xbmodder | i helped Maquis! instead of Maquis helping me! |
| 09:03.19 | xbmodder | now just make sure alarm is enabled and xmms is running through the night... make sure the volume = 100% |
| 09:07.08 | sjansen | ah, there we go |
| 09:07.16 | sjansen | echo 'echo hi | wall' | at now + 1 minute |
| 09:07.21 | xbmodder | hahaha |
| 09:07.22 | xbmodder | :) |
| 09:07.23 | sjansen | stupid at and it's funky format |
| 09:07.31 | Maquis | :) |
| 09:07.42 | xbmodder | make it work with music |
| 09:08.09 | sjansen | That's going to be distro specific depending on how device permissions are handled. |
| 09:08.42 | Maquis | xbmodder: something to look forward to... |
| 09:08.51 | Maquis | when you get to college, you have tests on saturday! |
| 09:08.55 | xbmodder | sjansen, wow your smart... i never thought of that. i always thought at had +t |
| 09:08.58 | xbmodder | Maquis, that sucks |
| 09:09.00 | xbmodder | alot... |
| 09:09.06 | xbmodder | really really badly |
| 09:16.16 | Maquis | sjansen: why? |
| 09:16.16 | brigham | sjansen: why are you jealous |
| 09:16.37 | sjansen | reading about Manage Windows Forms progress |
| 09:16.52 | sjansen | brigham: I'm not jealous. I just wish you'd go erase yourself. |
| 09:17.10 | Maquis | sjansen: be nice to brigham! |
| 09:17.18 | sjansen | brigham: Repeat after me, a bot must not speak unless spoken to. |
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| 16:50.06 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a question... |
| 16:50.13 | PoeticIntensity | not sure it's pertinent to this group, but I'm sure ya'll can help me. |
| 16:50.33 | PoeticIntensity | anyone know anything about building mass mailers (small scale... to send out 3-5000 emails) |
| 16:53.35 | tensai | http://mailman.plug.org/pipermail/pluglist/2005-January/013011.html |
| 16:56.28 | PoeticIntensity | thanks tensai.... I've read that thread. |
| 16:56.45 | PoeticIntensity | I guess I just don't understand enough about how a mailer is supposed to work. |
| 16:56.56 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a script that gathers the email addy's.... |
| 16:57.11 | PoeticIntensity | finds the smtp server for their domain... |
| 16:57.28 | PoeticIntensity | and loops through each one sending a mail to the appropriate smtp server. |
| 16:57.47 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a list of 25 test email addresses... |
| 16:57.58 | PoeticIntensity | when I run the script, 2 out of the 25 actually get the email... |
| 16:58.01 | PoeticIntensity | and they're random. |
| 16:58.05 | PoeticIntensity | I don't know what I'm doing wrong... |
| 16:58.24 | PoeticIntensity | (average of two) |
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| 17:45.10 | tensai | PoeticIntensity: I wouldn't try to do direct delivery in your script. set up an MTA and have it do all the work. |
| 17:45.32 | tensai | 5000 emails isn't so many so pretty much any server should be fine |
| 17:56.14 | tensai | some MTAs will do batched SMTP. that can speed up the insertion rate. |
| 17:56.44 | tensai | how quickly do all these emails need to be delivered. within an hour? 2 hours? one day? |
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| 18:52.54 | xbmodder | hey! |
| 18:52.59 | xbmodder | ~lart Maquis |
| 18:53.07 | xbmodder | hahha |
| 18:56.49 | xbmodder | one huge reason why linux is secure (a plus of the distro system): All distros are slightly different. Making it so some parts of the distro are exploitable where in others they are not. vice-versa. This makes it harder for hackers. They would have to produce viruses for too many distros. Keep them updated. etc.... |
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| 18:59.58 | xbmodder | ~lart SpecialK |
| 19:01.39 | xbmodder | i love staying home-alone... :) |
| 19:01.49 | xbmodder | my parents are annoying.... |
| 19:01.57 | xbmodder | >- |
| 19:02.24 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 19:03.14 | xbmodder | hahaha |
| 19:03.27 | xbmodder | brigham is gone. god has taken mercy. |
| 19:06.22 | xbmodder | god is great. yeah yeah. god is good. yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. what if god was one us. just a slob like one of us. just a stranger like one us. trying to make his way home. tryin to make his way home. |
| 19:06.27 | xbmodder | like up to heaven |
| 19:06.35 | xbmodder | nobody calling him on the phone |
| 19:07.04 | xbmodder | SpecialK, wasup? |
| 19:07.40 | xbmodder | yeah yeah god is great yea yea god is good yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah what if god was one of us. just a star like one of us. just a stranger like all of us :) |
| 19:08.40 | xbmodder | nobody cares what IRC client uyor using special k |
| 19:14.22 | xbmodder | god i love this surround sound system |
| 19:14.24 | xbmodder | :) |
| 19:15.04 | bucky | xbmodder, school let out early today or did you get sent home? |
| 19:17.31 | xbmodder | saturday :) w00t! |
| 19:17.46 | xbmodder | i love saturday |
| 19:17.55 | Maquis | xbmodder: when you get to college, saturday is just another day to do work |
| 19:18.04 | xbmodder | i am the #utah wacko... how does it feel to have your own wacko? |
| 19:19.01 | xbmodder | Maquis, the five colleges i have seen.. (as in researched... i am in college prep class) are closed on saturday (no classes) |
| 19:20.37 | xbmodder | or sunday |
| 19:20.40 | xbmodder | which is cool |
| 19:20.41 | xbmodder | :) |
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| 19:20.51 | Maquis | xbmodder: no classes... |
| 19:21.01 | Maquis | but that doesn't mean no tests... or no work... |
| 19:21.51 | xbmodder | lotsa work... |
| 19:21.59 | bucky | so Yarro, Mott and Christensen are suing SCOX for $100 M |
| 19:22.00 | bucky | http://www.sltrib.com/ci_2543579 |
| 19:22.07 | xbmodder | but on saturday and sunday they close the classrooms... :) |
| 19:22.12 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 19:22.31 | Maquis | classrooms are open here... but no classes (except for things like dance and such)... |
| 19:22.45 | xbmodder | cool |
| 19:22.52 | xbmodder | so where do you take tests? |
| 19:22.58 | Maquis | testing center |
| 19:23.12 | xbmodder | that sucks |
| 19:23.13 | xbmodder | alot... |
| 19:23.23 | Maquis | yeah... well... in some ways, it can be good... |
| 19:23.47 | Maquis | at least it means i have some option as to when to take it |
| 19:24.05 | Maquis | it means they can write pretty long tests though |
| 19:24.19 | Maquis | when i was taking physics 220, someone spent 7.5 hours in the testing center working on the test |
| 19:24.32 | Maquis | i regularly spent 4.5 on those tests before giving up |
| 19:25.01 | xbmodder | wow... thats scary |
| 19:25.24 | xbmodder | i would prolly go insance |
| 19:25.27 | xbmodder | insane |
| 19:28.24 | Maquis | :) |
| 19:28.35 | Maquis | now you understand what's wrong with so many of us here |
| 19:29.23 | xbmodder | haha |
| 19:29.24 | xbmodder | :) |
| 19:29.32 | xbmodder | should i shave my head |
| 19:35.42 | xbmodder | or is that 'creepy' |
| 19:52.33 | xbmodder | do you think if someone soaked a server in animal dander it would break? |
| 19:53.08 | Maquis | "In Microsoft's world customers are confidant that we take responsibility. They know that they will get their upgrades and patches." |
| 19:53.13 | Maquis | hahahaha |
| 19:53.33 | xbmodder | hahaha |
| 19:54.14 | xbmodder | i like the zbox |
| 19:54.41 | Maquis | what exactly does he mean when he says that there is not a development environment on linux? |
| 19:54.57 | Maquis | did i miss something??? |
| 19:57.44 | xbmodder | hahaha |
| 19:57.45 | xbmodder | :) |
| 19:59.03 | xbmodder | did'nt microsoft use linux at one time to secure microsoft.com |
| 19:59.46 | xbmodder | actually about 2 years ago there was a rumor that one of their security R&D contractors used linux to audit the security on the systems... |
| 19:59.49 | xbmodder | :) |
| 20:07.22 | mheath | A few years ago, Microsoft had a program where they'd give seminars on why Linux sucked |
| 20:07.30 | mheath | And why Microsoft products were superior |
| 20:07.45 | mheath | It was eventually discovered that the website for this seminar project was infact running some form of BSD. |
| 20:08.49 | Maquis | haha |
| 20:09.00 | Maquis | they still have that "Get The Facts" campaign, right? |
| 20:09.34 | mheath | Dunno. |
| 20:09.47 | mheath | I don't pay attention to Microsofts lies about Linux anymore |
| 20:11.12 | mheath | The fact is, Microsofts only real argument against Linux anymore is "Your not *sure* you'll get upgrades, and theres no official support system you can trust" |
| 20:11.46 | tene | but that's the same with microsoft products. |
| 20:11.57 | tene | 'cause what if MS decides to drop a particular product line? |
| 20:12.01 | mheath | But look at something like Redhat. Or any of the other commercial vendors. Or the companies that provide support and upgrades for free linux distros |
| 20:12.33 | mheath | tene: exactly. Any of the stuff I just mentioned, has better and cheaper support than Microsoft |
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| 21:10.00 | goozbach | ~seen sjansen |
| 21:10.12 | ibot | sjansen <~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 11h 52m 54s ago, saying: 'brigham: Repeat after me, a bot must not speak unless spoken to.'. |
| 21:10.14 | goozbach | |seen sjansen |
| 21:10.51 | goozbach | well if you see him, tell him the yellow looks goood |
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| 21:34.09 | sjansen | Is there a konqueror user in the house? |
| 21:37.06 | goozbach | the yellow looks goood |
| 21:40.15 | sjansen | Does it look okay in konq? |
| 21:41.05 | goozbach | just a sec let me apt-get it |
| 21:42.56 | goozbach | never mind... I have to install a slew of stuff |
| 21:43.01 | goozbach | I don't want to |
| 21:43.15 | sjansen | heh, neither do I |
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| 21:46.47 | JoshH | i have konqueror but i use firefox |
| 21:47.52 | sjansen | JoshH: Could you tell me if http://test.plug.org/preview/ looks okay in konq/ |
| 21:48.05 | JoshH | k |
| 21:48.48 | JoshH | yep |
| 21:48.52 | JoshH | looks just like it does in firefox |
| 21:49.00 | sjansen | splendiferous |
| 21:52.50 | JoshH | nice looking site, i must say |
| 21:53.20 | emcnabb | looks good in links |
| 21:53.30 | sjansen | but not our phones, yet |
| 21:53.35 | sjansen | that's coming soon |
| 21:55.32 | emcnabb | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050129110618509 |
| 21:55.33 | emcnabb | awesome |
| 21:56.11 | JoshH | lol |
| 21:56.34 | JoshH | thats pathetic, yet hilarious |
| 21:56.42 | sjansen | mostly hilarious |
| 22:06.06 | sjansen | The IBM subpoena is also interesting. |
| 22:06.19 | Newsome | I've got more just like that one :) |
| 22:06.39 | sjansen | ? |
| 22:07.23 | Newsome | More IBM subpoenas: Target, AutoZone, Sherwin-Williams, and Intel |
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| 22:07.48 | Newsome | I hope to scan them later |
| 22:09.27 | Newsome | ~lart scanners without decent Linux drivers |
| 22:10.04 | Newsome | ibot, that's the problem. I don't _want_ them shut up. |
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| 22:29.48 | tensai | who here has a tivo? |
| 22:30.31 | xbmodder_lappy | tensai, me! |
| 22:31.21 | tensai | can you use them without the tivo service? |
| 22:31.45 | xbmodder_lappy | sorta |
| 22:31.56 | xbmodder_lappy | barely |
| 22:32.01 | tensai | define "sorta" |
| 22:32.14 | xbmodder_lappy | you can pause, record rewind. |
| 22:32.18 | xbmodder_lappy | not record i mean |
| 22:32.33 | goozbach | tensai: make a freevo |
| 22:32.47 | tensai | yes but I can't make one for $49 |
| 22:32.49 | xbmodder_lappy | the worst tivo ever |
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| 22:45.00 | Gormless | Is there anybody still alive? |
| 22:45.10 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 22:45.26 | Gormless | What's up in here? |
| 22:45.37 | Gormless | It seems reasonabley dead |
| 22:45.50 | xbmodder_lappy | nothing much |
| 22:45.58 | goozbach | it's saturday |
| 22:46.03 | goozbach | not much happening |
| 22:46.12 | Gormless | Ah |
| 22:46.26 | Gormless | Not many people wasting their time at work |
| 22:47.14 | Gormless | Bah |
| 22:47.26 | Gormless | Do you know of any live servers? |
| 22:47.31 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 22:47.34 | xbmodder_lappy | live? |
| 22:47.50 | Gormless | I remember back when undernet was live |
| 22:47.52 | Gormless | There were actually peopl |
| 22:47.56 | Gormless | not just bots |
| 22:48.03 | Gormless | It was used for chatting |
| 22:51.10 | goozbach | must be bereft of gorm |
| 22:54.11 | xbmodder_lappy | damn it........ |
| 22:54.51 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 22:55.37 | sjansen | xbmodder_lappy: You need to learn to control that. |
| 22:57.23 | xbmodder_lappy | sjansen, sorry... you have to remember i am a half-insane teenager.... though... |
| 23:01.17 | xbmodder_lappy | sjansen, you still there? |
| 23:01.25 | sjansen | yeah |
| 23:01.27 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 23:01.32 | xbmodder_lappy | so hows life goin' |
| 23:01.42 | xbmodder_lappy | img2mpg is so slow |
| 23:01.49 | sjansen | Trying to figure out what hans did to the plug server. |
| 23:01.53 | sjansen | New CMS isn't working. |
| 23:02.26 | xbmodder_lappy | whats wrong with it? do you have administrative access to fix it? where is it located? |
| 23:02.50 | sjansen | It's got multiple Apache version installed and they're fighting each other. |
| 23:03.03 | xbmodder_lappy | that usually works fine |
| 23:03.27 | sjansen | Not when they all want the same port at the same time. |
| 23:05.16 | xbmodder_lappy | thats bad |
| 23:05.25 | xbmodder_lappy | i only run one server at a time |
| 23:11.11 | byronc | anyone here going to the uug meeting next week? |
| 23:14.00 | Maquis | byronc: i'll be there |
| 23:14.32 | sjansen | byronc: what's the correct way in Debian to prevent a service from starting in a run level? |
| 23:14.51 | byronc | sjansen: using sysv-rc-conf will take care of the dirty work. |
| 23:15.14 | sjansen | I hate to install a package without talking to hans first... |
| 23:16.26 | tensai | update-rc.d -f apache remove |
| 23:16.34 | tensai | update-rc.d apache defaults 20 |
| 23:16.46 | tensai | remove and install respectively |
| 23:16.50 | byronc | tensai: what package does update-rc.d come from? |
| 23:17.21 | tensai | sysv-rc |
| 23:17.37 | tensai | it's a required package |
| 23:18.50 | tensai | that's for testing and later. current stable places it in sysvinit. |
| 23:18.51 | sjansen | Argh! |
| 23:19.05 | byronc | that's much nicer than sysv-rc-conf |
| 23:19.09 | sjansen | ~beat developers who expect users to use % for searching |
| 23:19.11 | ibot | ACTION beats developers who expect users to use % for searching with a large stick. |
| 23:19.50 | byronc | Maquis: part of the presentation is a walkthrough of the kernel code that happens for a given syscall. Any particular syscall you would like to see? |
| 23:21.58 | Maquis | byronc: i would give you one if i knew anything about them... |
| 23:23.09 | byronc | Maquis: anything in manual page section 2 |
| 23:23.46 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 23:24.59 | Maquis | sjansen: you going to uug this week? |
| 23:25.05 | sjansen | We'll see. |
| 23:25.10 | sjansen | Probably not. |
| 23:25.13 | Maquis | :( |
| 23:26.54 | goozbach | what's the meeting abt at UUG? |
| 23:27.14 | goozbach | stupid UM |
| 23:27.21 | goozbach | kernel |
| 23:27.30 | Maquis | goozbach: you gonna come? |
| 23:27.42 | goozbach | depends, whats the topic? |
| 23:27.54 | Maquis | something about the kernel |
| 23:27.58 | Maquis | let me check the exact thing |
| 23:28.02 | byronc | hacking on the linux kernel |
| 23:28.09 | goozbach | ohh I'll be there |
| 23:28.11 | Maquis | yeah |
| 23:28.18 | goozbach | wed night right? |
| 23:28.27 | Maquis | thursday |
| 23:28.42 | goozbach | thurs night even better |
| 23:48.04 | goozbach | now I understand why Maquis was wondering if sjansen or myself was going to the UUG meeting |
| 23:48.16 | sjansen | ? |
| 23:51.56 | Maquis | :-D |
| 23:51.59 | xbmodder | hey all |
| 23:52.07 | xbmodder | there is a UUG/LUG meeting? |
| 23:52.12 | xbmodder | today/tommorow |
| 23:52.23 | xbmodder | can someone take pictures of all you guys for me? |
| 23:53.07 | goozbach | xbmodder: I'll take a picture of the meeting |
| 23:53.21 | goozbach | figuring out who's who is up to you |
| 23:57.00 | xbmodder | :( |
| 23:57.11 | xbmodder | i will prolly be able to tell who maquis is.... |
| 23:57.18 | xbmodder | thats all... |
| 23:57.20 | xbmodder | :)( |
| 23:57.36 | tene | you won't recognize me. |
| 23:57.40 | Maquis | unless jamie's there... |
| 23:57.43 | Maquis | or moriah |
| 23:57.48 | xbmodder | tene, hahah! |
| 23:58.27 | xbmodder | how about you take mugshots :) |
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