| 00:00.25 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (~xbmodder@adsl-67-119-13-192.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 00:04.30 | goozbach | |praise scorched3d |
| 00:04.38 | xbmodder_lappy | so |
| 00:04.44 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 00:05.39 | *** join/#utah jinro (~jinro@c-24-2-95-30.client.comcast.net) |
| 00:07.44 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu) |
| 00:17.21 | *** join/#utah spiderbiter (~spiderbit@38.119.177.194) |
| 00:19.53 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 00:20.45 | sjansen | for I in `(fdisk -l /dev/hda ; fdisk -l /dev/sda) | grep -v Ext | egrep '^/dev/.da[0-9]*' | sed 's/ .*//' | sort -r`; do dd if=/dev/zero of=$I count=1 bs=1M; done |
| 00:20.58 | xbmodder_lappy | what does that do? |
| 00:21.13 | sjansen | What do you think it does? |
| 00:21.45 | xbmodder_lappy | rewrites your HD with /dev/zero |
| 00:21.51 | xbmodder_lappy | or rewrites the head |
| 00:22.00 | xbmodder_lappy | i mean the boot sector |
| 00:23.30 | sjansen | the first meg of each partition |
| 00:24.25 | xbmodder_lappy | of each Ext partition |
| 00:24.43 | sjansen | nope, skipping the extended partition |
| 00:24.58 | xbmodder_lappy | ooo |
| 00:24.59 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 00:25.33 | Maquis | hmmm... |
| 00:26.26 | Maquis | after dinner, my roommate's going in to the hospital, it looks like |
| 00:28.45 | *** join/#utah SpecialK (~scott@216.126.221.115) |
| 00:29.02 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 00:29.09 | xbmodder_lappy | never mind |
| 00:29.11 | xbmodder_lappy | that sucks |
| 00:29.20 | xbmodder_lappy | i was aiming for a :( |
| 00:29.26 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 00:29.33 | xbmodder_lappy | tell her i hope she will be ok |
| 00:29.42 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 00:29.48 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart SpecialK |
| 00:29.56 | xbmodder_lappy | hahahah i love the last one |
| 00:30.15 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (~emcnabb@adsl-215-163-127.aep.bellsouth.net) |
| 00:30.21 | xbmodder_lappy | emcnabb, hey! |
| 00:32.41 | emcnabb | wow, another hotel access point with a default admin password |
| 00:32.54 | *** part/#utah jinro (~jinro@c-24-2-95-30.client.comcast.net) |
| 00:33.29 | Maquis | emcnabb: cool! |
| 00:33.44 | Maquis | you should report it anonymously though! |
| 00:33.55 | goozbach | emcnabb: at least you don't have to pay $40/week for access |
| 00:34.05 | emcnabb | haha |
| 00:34.36 | emcnabb | it's amazing how many are open for modification |
| 00:35.02 | emcnabb | it's a Linksys BEFW11S4 |
| 00:35.25 | xbmodder_lappy | cool |
| 00:35.26 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 00:35.59 | *** join/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@sorenson.dsl.csolutions.net) |
| 00:36.21 | emcnabb | how hard is it to change a password? |
| 00:36.38 | xbmodder_lappy | too easy |
| 00:38.22 | Bradipo | Its not that it is hard, its that they don't know that by installing such a device on their network that they can be opening themselves up to problems. |
| 00:38.30 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu) |
| 00:38.40 | Bradipo | If it isn't easy, they don't hack it. |
| 00:38.49 | Bradipo | Which means that unless the device just works when they buy it, they return it. |
| 00:38.58 | Bradipo | Hence, no amount of documentation will help them realize that they have a problem. |
| 00:40.05 | emcnabb | one hotel had a default admin password, and the company that configured it was a large ISP (the router was some kind of custom AP) |
| 00:40.28 | Bradipo | shame on them. |
| 00:40.37 | Bradipo | You should enable WEP on it. |
| 00:40.45 | Bradipo | That will cause the customer to call the ISP. |
| 00:40.53 | Bradipo | And then they may realize that they need a lart. |
| 00:41.18 | emcnabb | http://www.colubris.com/ |
| 00:41.22 | emcnabb | that was the company |
| 00:41.27 | Bradipo | The ISP? |
| 00:41.31 | emcnabb | yeah |
| 00:41.51 | xbmodder_lappy | hahaha |
| 00:42.35 | emcnabb | I should probably shut up right about now |
| 00:43.35 | xbmodder_lappy | but you won't |
| 00:44.06 | mheath | Yeh! My 'new' laptop lives! |
| 00:44.17 | xbmodder_lappy | what? |
| 00:44.18 | mheath | With it's amazing 120 MB HDD |
| 00:44.19 | brigham | what is foo? |
| 00:44.21 | xbmodder_lappy | hahaha |
| 00:44.24 | mheath | and half dead battery |
| 00:44.32 | Maquis | emcnabb: haha |
| 00:44.39 | emcnabb | xbmodder, yes, I will |
| 00:44.41 | emcnabb | :-) |
| 00:44.48 | emcnabb | so there was a knock on the door... |
| 00:44.57 | emcnabb | but it was housekeeping with some hangers |
| 00:46.33 | sjansen | that's because the muscular guys in sun glasses prefer to knock the door down at 2am |
| 00:47.13 | Maquis | sjansen: are you around here this week? |
| 00:47.44 | xbmodder_lappy | so |
| 00:47.56 | xbmodder_lappy | hahahaa |
| 00:48.03 | xbmodder_lappy | Maquis, so how are you? |
| 00:48.37 | sjansen | If by "here" you mean Utah, yes. |
| 00:48.47 | xbmodder_lappy | so |
| 00:49.04 | Maquis | xbmodder: i'm fine |
| 00:49.08 | Maquis | sjansen: cool |
| 00:49.10 | xbmodder_lappy | thats good |
| 00:49.25 | tene | xbmodder_lappy: http://tene.dyndns.org/~tene/nics.jpg |
| 00:49.56 | xbmodder_lappy | tene, thanks :) |
| 00:50.15 | xbmodder_lappy | lalalalala... /me waits loading |
| 00:50.44 | xbmodder_lappy | are those BNC connectors? |
| 00:50.45 | tene | I should have resized it |
| 00:50.59 | xbmodder_lappy | coaxial? |
| 00:51.00 | xbmodder_lappy | what? |
| 00:51.06 | brigham | what is foo? |
| 00:51.20 | xbmodder_lappy | die brigham |
| 00:52.04 | tene | I threw some ISA cards in there just for kicks |
| 00:52.05 | tene | I've also got at least two more 10/100s sitting extra in systems |
| 00:52.05 | tene | and a few sitting in unused systems |
| 00:52.11 | tene | nodnod, they are |
| 00:52.28 | xbmodder_lappy | unused systems? |
| 00:52.32 | xbmodder_lappy | i will take handle! |
| 00:53.08 | tene | should I also photograph my motherboards? |
| 00:53.10 | xbmodder_lappy | i really wanna make a cluster |
| 00:53.25 | xbmodder_lappy | yes and yourself please |
| 00:53.26 | xbmodder_lappy | :) |
| 00:53.47 | tene | there should be some random photos of me in /~tene/pic/ |
| 00:53.56 | xbmodder_lappy | are those cards with coaxil conectors any good? |
| 00:53.59 | tene | but there might be some incriminating stuff in there too, so nevermind |
| 00:54.12 | tene | do you mean "do they work"? |
| 00:54.19 | tene | 'cause they probably do but I've never tested them |
| 00:54.50 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 00:54.54 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 00:54.59 | xbmodder_lappy | how do you set them up |
| 00:55.06 | xbmodder_lappy | how fast are they... etc... |
| 00:55.07 | tene | I'll get out my mobos and fotograph them |
| 00:55.19 | tene | I know that the ethernet on those cards is 10MBps |
| 00:55.19 | xbmodder_lappy | http://tene.dyndns.org/~tene/pic/bleh.jpg < is that you?!? |
| 00:55.27 | xbmodder_lappy | ouch thats slow :( |
| 00:55.29 | tene | dunno, lemme start X and check |
| 00:55.51 | tene | I don't even remember what most of those pics are by name |
| 00:56.06 | xbmodder_lappy | ok |
| 00:56.09 | xbmodder_lappy | hahaha |
| 00:56.15 | xbmodder_lappy | are you 100% console |
| 00:56.25 | xbmodder_lappy | can't you setup SVGA and links2 |
| 00:57.39 | xbmodder_lappy | flowers.png is pretty cool |
| 01:00.01 | tene | no, I'm just too lazy |
| 01:03.42 | tene | I've got 15 loose mobos I can find so far. |
| 01:05.29 | levi | sjansen: Why would you wish such a thing? |
| 01:05.42 | sjansen | because it's such a great game |
| 01:05.50 | levi | Oh, the game. |
| 01:05.54 | levi | I thought you mean... worms. |
| 01:05.58 | levi | meant. |
| 01:06.40 | xbmodder_lappy | wow thats alot |
| 01:06.43 | xbmodder_lappy | hahahah |
| 01:14.09 | tene | crap, I can't figure out what device this usb mass storage device is presenting itself as |
| 01:14.41 | tene | dmesg says scsi1 |
| 01:14.56 | tene | but /dev/sda1 "is not a valid block device" |
| 01:15.18 | *** join/#utah markl_ (mark@knm82.knm.org) |
| 01:16.15 | xbmodder | you have vfat? |
| 01:16.27 | xbmodder | fat32.. etc... |
| 01:18.34 | xbmodder | w00t a first post on slashdot :) |
| 01:21.49 | emcnabb | do you have anything better to do than to post that crap? |
| 01:21.54 | emcnabb | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=137177&cid=11463492 |
| 01:22.00 | emcnabb | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=137177&threshold=0&commentsort=0&tid=99&tid=14&mode=thread&pid=11463493#11463511 |
| 01:22.01 | sjansen | emcnabb: like you haven't done it |
| 01:22.05 | sjansen | repeatedly |
| 01:22.31 | emcnabb | when? |
| 01:22.35 | brigham | when is daylight savings time? |
| 01:22.42 | xbmodder | hahaha |
| 01:22.48 | xbmodder | i did it... it made sense |
| 01:22.55 | xbmodder | it was not too crappy |
| 01:23.41 | emcnabb | really? |
| 01:23.42 | emcnabb | when? |
| 01:23.48 | brigham | when is daylight savings time? |
| 01:24.08 | emcnabb | the last time I posted was July 28 |
| 01:29.07 | xbmodder | idk |
| 01:31.22 | xbmodder | worship the canon EOS digital rebel |
| 01:33.00 | tene | http://tene.dyndns.org/~tene/mobos1.jpg |
| 01:33.02 | tene | http://tene.dyndns.org/~tene/mobos2.jpg |
| 01:33.13 | tene | 2 is the same thing from a slightly different angle |
| 01:33.21 | tene | I was afraid that I moved the cam too much the first time |
| 01:34.26 | xbmodder | :) |
| 01:35.05 | Newsome | wow, it's like...a Beowulf cluster of motherboards! |
| 01:35.35 | xbmodder | cool stuff |
| 01:36.22 | xbmodder | thats cool |
| 01:37.14 | tene | anything you're interested in? |
| 01:38.24 | xbmodder | my head is tellin |
| 01:38.35 | xbmodder | ' my hands to type 'no' |
| 01:39.31 | *** join/#utah bigdog_ut (~bigdog_ut@65-100-196-120.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 01:41.09 | tene | anyone see anything they want? |
| 01:41.35 | bigdog_ut | whatz the url? |
| 01:41.39 | tene | I'm close for any provo-ite |
| 01:41.56 | tene | xbmodder: which one is less blurry? 1 or 2? |
| 01:42.07 | tene | http://tene.dyndns.org/~tene/mobos1.jpg |
| 01:42.10 | tene | http://tene.dyndns.org/~tene/mobos2.jpg |
| 01:43.23 | bigdog_ut | tene, any dual processor boards |
| 01:43.31 | tene | unfortunately, no |
| 01:46.12 | *** join/#utah synic|h (~synic@c-67-172-242-219.client.comcast.net) |
| 01:49.33 | Newsome | ~lart the student who forgot to allow UDP port 53 on the firewall |
| 01:49.53 | Newsome | not quite good enough... |
| 01:49.55 | Newsome | ~lart the student who forgot to allow UDP port 53 on the firewall |
| 01:50.07 | Newsome | okay, better |
| 01:50.43 | Maquis | Newsome: who's the student hwo forgot to allow UDP port 53 on the firewall? |
| 01:51.04 | mheath | tene: got any processors to accompany those motherboards? |
| 01:51.19 | tene | some of them have processors in them |
| 01:51.52 | Newsome | Maquis, it was Mike...he's not working this semester |
| 01:52.14 | tene | so yes, a few |
| 01:52.14 | Maquis | :( it's the only one that i don't know? |
| 01:52.25 | mheath | tene: anything better than a 450 Mhz Pentium II? |
| 01:52.34 | Maquis | what exactlly is UDP 53? |
| 01:52.36 | Newsome | he made some changes to the firewall config, but we hadn't rebooted recently |
| 01:52.41 | Newsome | Maquis, DNS |
| 01:52.44 | sjansen | Of course it was Mike. Sure it was Mike. |
| 01:52.44 | tene | Maquis: grep 53 /etc/services |
| 01:52.51 | Maquis | oh... |
| 01:53.01 | sjansen | You know it was amnabb, and you know you want to exact evil revenge on him for it! |
| 01:53.29 | Newsome | okay, it was amcnabb. You dragged it out of me |
| 01:53.31 | mheath | tene: what kind of procesors? |
| 01:53.43 | tene | lessee here... |
| 01:54.02 | sjansen | Beat him, tar him, make him watch Barney re-runs! |
| 01:54.07 | *** part/#utah bigdog_ut (~bigdog_ut@65-100-196-120.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 01:54.08 | sjansen | And Teletubbies! |
| 01:54.09 | Newsome | the evil thing about blocking DNS is that things have to start timing out of the DNS caches before people start noticing something is wrong. |
| 01:54.18 | tene | the big green one has a PIII 500 on it |
| 01:54.36 | mheath | Anything faster? |
| 01:54.38 | Maquis | Newsome: wait... is that why you couldn't get out of the cs dept this afternoon? |
| 01:54.49 | tene | thought I had anothe PIII around here... |
| 01:54.59 | sjansen | Newsome was locked in the CS department this afternoon? |
| 01:55.12 | mheath | tene: the yellow board? |
| 01:55.19 | Maquis | sjansen: ??? |
| 01:55.21 | tene | I've also got plenty of cases and power supplies, too. |
| 01:55.22 | sjansen | Maquis locked Newsome up in a room in the CS department and forgot to tell anyone? |
| 01:55.42 | mheath | tene: whats in the yellow board? (the one next to the green in that pic( |
| 01:55.43 | Newsome | Maquis: the web was down because dansguardian OOM killed, but the Firewall completely stopped responding |
| 01:55.53 | Maquis | sjansen: bah |
| 01:55.58 | Maquis | Newsome: ??? |
| 01:56.04 | Maquis | :( |
| 01:56.13 | tene | mheath: the PIII is the big green board in the upper-left. Are you asking about the yellow in the lower-right? |
| 01:56.38 | mheath | tene: oh, yeah...whats in that, and whats in the green one next to it? |
| 01:56.39 | Newsome | Maquis: the firewall runs the squid proxy, and dansguardian decides whether pages are 'appropriate' |
| 01:56.57 | Maquis | ok... |
| 01:57.10 | Newsome | Maquis: somehow the firewall ran out of memory (Linux overcommits), and dansguardian died |
| 01:57.10 | Maquis | dansguardian died, and so everything died? |
| 01:57.21 | Maquis | ok... |
| 01:57.25 | tene | that yellow one is a "Pentium MMX" with no speed label. |
| 01:57.26 | Maquis | and that knocked everything else out? |
| 01:57.29 | tene | lemme check the green one |
| 01:57.37 | Newsome | Maquis: squid kept trying to contact dansguardian, but userspace was completely dead, so no response |
| 01:57.58 | Maquis | userspace? |
| 01:58.16 | Maquis | is there a man page or doc or something? |
| 01:58.20 | Newsome | Maquis: I rebooted the firewall, and it all worked better, until things started timing out of people's DNS caches |
| 01:58.41 | Maquis | mmmk... |
| 01:58.46 | Newsome | In Linux, everything is either a kernel process or userspace |
| 01:58.48 | Maquis | what caused the firewall to block DNS? |
| 01:58.49 | tene | pentium 133, mheath. |
| 01:58.57 | Maquis | ok... i understand that part |
| 01:59.19 | mheath | tene: agh! I've got plenty of those... |
| 01:59.38 | Newsome | Mike forgot to allow port 53 UDP in through the firewall, so when the firewall came back up, it loaded its configuration without the port |
| 02:01.45 | mheath | FHE. Took me a minute to realize what you meant. I've been out of the Mormon loop for a while :) |
| 02:01.48 | tene | hehe |
| 02:02.05 | tene | mheath: I think I've got another PIII around here and a celeron 666 |
| 02:02.24 | mheath | Celeron 666 won't be any better than my Pentium II 450 :) |
| 02:02.32 | mheath | Celerons are horrible compared to pentiums |
| 02:02.54 | mheath | tene: well, I'm interested in some stuff, but unfortunately you're an hour away form me |
| 02:02.55 | mheath | *from |
| 02:03.45 | tene | you in provo, mheath? |
| 02:04.00 | mheath | Oh, I thought you were. I'm in Ogden. |
| 02:04.08 | tene | I'm in SLC |
| 02:04.23 | mheath | Oh, so 45 minutes away |
| 02:04.31 | tene | nodnod |
| 02:04.44 | mheath | Still, I have no car (It sucks being 15..so close, yet so far ) |
| 02:04.58 | tene | nodnod |
| 02:05.55 | mheath | Speaking of hardware... |
| 02:06.06 | mheath | anyone happen to have any SDRAM? |
| 02:06.24 | mheath | I'm trying to set up a computer for my sister, but I've only got 32MB of RAM to throw in the thing |
| 02:07.04 | Maquis | Newsome: thanks for explaining... :) |
| 02:07.10 | Maquis | sjansen: ??? |
| 02:12.29 | sjansen | Maquis: Admit it, you've felt the same way. |
| 02:12.47 | Maquis | i'm afraid i haven't... |
| 02:12.51 | sjansen | But you'll have the advantage of being able to hide large needles in your hair and poke people with them. |
| 02:13.29 | Maquis | sjansen: :) |
| 02:13.50 | Maquis | see, i can get a walker and pins... |
| 02:13.52 | sjansen | Or baking cookies then hitting people with a wooden spoon when the try to eat some, then smile sweetly and call them dear. |
| 02:13.58 | Maquis | and you just get a little cane |
| 02:14.21 | Maquis | methinks when i'm 80, i'll be able to beat you up |
| 02:14.38 | Maquis | not to mention that you'll be older than me... |
| 02:45.51 | *** join/#utah spig (~spig_@stet.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 02:56.48 | *** join/#utah jsmith (~jsmith@smithfam.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:00.18 | *** join/#utah fozz (~fozz@166.70.238.250) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 03:13.34 | *** join/#utah jsmith (~jsmith@smithfam.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:17.36 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:26.46 | *** join/#utah minam (~jgb3@c-67-166-99-64.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:29.25 | sjansen | "SASL is a bit more complex, and is on the TODO list..." |
| 03:31.19 | *** join/#utah byronc (~byron@209.197.11.63) |
| 03:33.24 | *** join/#utah mrpull (~mrpull_@xmjake.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 03:42.50 | xbmodder | sasl? |
| 03:43.32 | *** join/#utah mheath (~mheath@c-67-161-213-34.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:50.22 | sjansen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SASL |
| 04:14.04 | *** join/#utah byronc (~byron@209.197.11.63) |
| 04:24.08 | *** join/#utah mrpull_ (~mrpull@xmjake.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 04:58.53 | hans | sjansen: worms pales in comparison to liero |
| 04:58.57 | hans | and liero runs great in dosbox |
| 05:00.12 | *** join/#utah tensai (~tensai@kite.zmonkey.org) |
| 05:07.30 | xbmodder | ? |
| 05:07.51 | xbmodder | could'nt you run windows ME in dos emulator? |
| 05:37.53 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-24-2-90-131.client.comcast.net) |
| 05:50.07 | *** join/#utah findlay (~justin@65.203.174.134) |
| 05:51.35 | findlay | brigham: hello! |
| 05:51.39 | brigham | hello findlay :) |
| 05:53.34 | Maquis | |lart findlay |
| 05:59.03 | findlay | No!! Initiate all antiprotocol schemes! |
| 06:00.46 | Maquis | the hairs grow into small monkeys which go to work immediately, pulling down the firewall and tearing findlay's kingdom to pieces! |
| 06:02.18 | *** join/#utah bonez41 (~aint@drjones.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 06:03.50 | levi | Man, I've been staring at code too long today. |
| 06:04.23 | findlay | but levi what isn't code? Hahahahah... |
| 06:04.25 | levi | Ooh! Ooh! newlib finally built. |
| 06:04.48 | findlay | in c++stdlib? |
| 06:05.57 | levi | I'm building an embedded system. For some reason, the cross-compiler requires newlib even though I'm going to be linking against uClibc. |
| 06:07.25 | levi | I've been fighting this all day to get it integrated into the openembedded framework. |
| 06:07.26 | findlay | hum |
| 06:09.38 | mheath | Hmmm. XScreensaver is reporting that *all* it's child processes are terminating with SIGSEV |
| 06:10.40 | goozbach | Maquis: I understand completely |
| 06:10.51 | *** join/#utah SpecialK (~scott@216.126.221.115) |
| 06:10.55 | Maquis | goozbach: understand??? |
| 06:11.00 | Maquis | |lart SpecialK |
| 06:11.09 | goozbach | moses supposes his toeses are roses |
| 06:11.25 | goozbach | the stupor |
| 06:12.26 | mheath | levi: heh, that actually has something to do with what I was just discussing with another person.. |
| 06:12.36 | mheath | GNU sucks for extensibility. |
| 06:12.41 | goozbach | nm I just read the backlog... disreguard those last couple comments |
| 06:13.27 | Maquis | goozbach: ??? |
| 06:13.36 | tene | yay |
| 06:14.03 | tene | Maquis: what happens when a statement denies itself? |
| 06:14.05 | findlay | that's OK Maquis confusion is a natural stattte of mind |
| 06:14.06 | tene | Is it true or false? |
| 06:14.14 | tene | SO CONFUSING! |
| 06:17.28 | xbmodder | hey |
| 06:17.38 | xbmodder | anyone gunna be here for a while? |
| 06:17.42 | tene | I will |
| 06:17.45 | tene | whyfor? |
| 06:17.45 | xbmodder | cool |
| 06:18.02 | findlay | or Zeno's paradxes, or the wave particle duality,, whatever your context |
| 06:18.27 | findlay | xbmodder: the answer is 26 |
| 06:18.33 | tene | man, I suck at confusing Maquis |
| 06:18.35 | xbmodder | findlay, cool |
| 06:18.36 | tene | let me try again. |
| 06:18.44 | xbmodder | tene, i am thinking... i will trade laptop for all the NICs :) and some lock pick stuff |
| 06:18.45 | xbmodder | :) |
| 06:19.04 | xbmodder | and/or money :) |
| 06:19.15 | tene | Maquis: "Why do they call it a 'land mine' if it doesn't dig?" |
| 06:19.35 | xbmodder | cuz it is a mine for land? |
| 06:19.38 | xbmodder | hahahaha |
| 06:19.51 | tene | well I thought it was a game |
| 06:20.01 | xbmodder | hahaha /me laughs at tene |
| 06:20.02 | mheath | Woah. Graduating from highschool is scary..... |
| 06:20.02 | tene | xbmodder: what about for some of the NICs and a mobo? |
| 06:20.11 | xbmodder | mobo=no way |
| 06:20.17 | xbmodder | mheath, ouch |
| 06:20.19 | tene | hmm |
| 06:20.32 | xbmodder | is college worth it? |
| 06:20.44 | tene | Sure. |
| 06:20.50 | findlay | Yup |
| 06:20.54 | mheath | I'm filling out an application to Northface Univ. first. Doubt I'll go there, but their reps. been bugging me... |
| 06:21.01 | xbmodder | tene, your parents hooking you up with anything? |
| 06:21.10 | tene | Nope. |
| 06:21.48 | xbmodder | that sucks |
| 06:21.56 | xbmodder | my parents will give me a virtual lone.. |
| 06:21.56 | mheath | I'll probably end up just going to Weber State |
| 06:22.02 | mheath | As an under grad, that is |
| 06:22.08 | mheath | Cheap, easy to get into, simple, close... |
| 06:22.27 | mheath | And it will be enough to get me into a much more prestigious graduate school that I've picke dout |
| 06:22.55 | xbmodder | this is what my sister says (she is a cal graduate) do one of those 2 year JC/State college and switch out to something else |
| 06:23.25 | xbmodder | hmm...01 |
| 06:23.26 | mheath | xbmodder: go for a 4 year degree |
| 06:23.31 | xbmodder | hmm...01ok |
| 06:23.40 | xbmodder | it gives you a four year degree |
| 06:24.02 | mheath | 2 years is an associates degree in most colleges (except for crappy "technical colleges" and such that don't mean anything) |
| 06:24.20 | mheath | Associates don't mean much, and aren't enough to start on a graduate program at another college. |
| 06:24.26 | levi | mheath: You missed the 'and switch out to something else' |
| 06:24.34 | levi | mheath: Meaning a 4-year university. |
| 06:25.04 | xbmodder | findlay, ouch |
| 06:25.06 | levi | mheath: You get your general-ed classes taken care of with the associates, and the specialized major classes at the uni. |
| 06:25.24 | xbmodder | mheath, giving you a four year degree |
| 06:25.45 | *** join/#utah sheer (~sheer@ool-44c1b550.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 06:25.52 | mheath | findlay: what you majoring in? |
| 06:25.58 | xbmodder | my body calls |
| 06:26.25 | findlay | physics and possibly mathematics maybe musicology if I'm not married by then |
| 06:26.35 | mheath | and does 12 year degree == you've been spending too long in college messing around, or does it mean you're going for a doctorate or multiple degrees? |
| 06:26.45 | findlay | both, unfortunately |
| 06:27.06 | mheath | Heh, same with me in the long run |
| 06:27.10 | xbmodder | back |
| 06:27.15 | findlay | forth |
| 06:27.18 | mheath | Though I suspect a lot of highschool students say that and nevery actually do it |
| 06:27.40 | xbmodder | mheath, try to get a job between under grad and grad... you'll need the money |
| 06:28.03 | mheath | xbmodder: ....... |
| 06:28.15 | mheath | Unless your rich, you need a job perpetually through college. |
| 06:28.35 | xbmodder | i mean take off for a while |
| 06:28.46 | xbmodder | not just a part-time job |
| 06:29.26 | Maquis | xbmodder: i know a lot of people get paid for grad work |
| 06:29.39 | xbmodder | thats cool :) |
| 06:29.49 | Maquis | i know a guy who supported himself, his wife, and his daughter (and his wife was pregnant) while in grad school |
| 06:29.57 | xbmodder | wow! |
| 06:29.59 | Maquis | and he was able to still put money into savings |
| 06:30.02 | xbmodder | that must be really really har |
| 06:30.15 | xbmodder | great money management |
| 06:30.17 | Maquis | he got paid for his grad studies... |
| 06:30.22 | Maquis | tuition + living stipend |
| 06:30.35 | xbmodder | wow |
| 06:30.39 | Maquis | yeah... well... in order to raise a family while in school, you have to be able to manage money |
| 06:31.14 | Maquis | he didn't have the nicest computer systems (he was a CS grad student), and they didn't have the nicest house around, but it met their needs |
| 06:31.17 | *** join/#utah spiderbiter_ (~spiderbit@38.119.177.194) |
| 06:31.25 | xbmodder | if i were that guy i would prolly go crazy |
| 06:31.37 | Maquis | why would you go crazy? |
| 06:31.43 | mheath | Maquis: what are you majoring in? |
| 06:31.49 | mheath | (out of curiosity) |
| 06:31.51 | Maquis | mheath: CS |
| 06:31.58 | xbmodder | 'because to care for every one it would be hard |
| 06:32.06 | mheath | I'll probably get my first undergraduate degree in CS |
| 06:32.11 | findlay | well, higher education is really a package deal, moneywise |
| 06:32.20 | Maquis | it's just an issue of realizing that you don't have to have the nicest things... things aren't what's important... |
| 06:32.29 | Maquis | he was really good about it... |
| 06:32.36 | mheath | Hopefully my first graduate degree will be in Distributed and Parallel Processing Systems |
| 06:32.46 | xbmodder | that would be awesome |
| 06:32.53 | findlay | but as you're a graduate student, your paid as if it were a job, and you're expected to live in your cubicle, practically (: |
| 06:33.02 | xbmodder | when i create a huge security firm i will make sure to hire mheath |
| 06:33.11 | findlay | mheath: Disturbed processing! |
| 06:33.13 | findlay | mheath: Disturbed processing? |
| 06:33.15 | Maquis | findlay: not for him... |
| 06:33.20 | mheath | xbmodder: why the hell would a security firm want a distributed and parallel processing systems major? |
| 06:33.31 | Maquis | he was in our ward bishopric, and he was able to spend time with his wife and daughter |
| 06:33.34 | xbmodder | to see if we can crack the computer |
| 06:33.39 | mheath | findlay: hahah |
| 06:34.02 | xbmodder | most people... get an awesome cipher and then take no care of their encrypted data |
| 06:34.10 | findlay | well, typically graduate work is as it is in the real occupation, getting you accustomed to all of the complexty and politics of that particular field of research |
| 06:34.23 | xbmodder | somewhere on EfNet there was a channel for downloading encrypted quickbooks info |
| 06:34.27 | Maquis | findlay: he was doing machine learning... |
| 06:34.30 | findlay | you just make less money than post doctorates |
| 06:34.35 | xbmodder | barely anyone cracked it |
| 06:34.37 | findlay | and less than professors |
| 06:34.41 | xbmodder | like one person |
| 06:34.48 | Maquis | he (and the others in his lab) were the only ones i've known... |
| 06:35.12 | mheath | I hope that a distributed and parallel processing degree plus and electronics engineering degree will get me an awesome job as an engineer for an electronics co. |
| 06:35.45 | findlay | Maquis: same here |
| 06:36.01 | findlay | although I worked in the same project for over 2 years |
| 06:36.04 | Maquis | same here as in? |
| 06:36.11 | Maquis | machine learning? |
| 06:36.18 | Maquis | were you at the Y? |
| 06:36.19 | findlay | there were a many of each strata |
| 06:36.39 | findlay | nn, ``same here'' as in only knowing of one example, one perspective |
| 06:36.48 | Maquis | oh |
| 06:36.52 | Maquis | ok... |
| 06:36.55 | findlay | the U |
| 06:36.57 | Maquis | just curious... |
| 06:37.02 | findlay | the almighty U |
| 06:37.03 | Maquis | because i think i've met most of the machine learning lab at the Y... |
| 06:37.06 | findlay | just kidding... |
| 06:37.23 | Maquis | you made spiderbiter leave! |
| 06:37.52 | findlay | Maquis: including the machines themselves? Did they learn your middle name, your birthdate, your SSN? Your favorite ice cream?!? |
| 06:37.59 | spiderbiter_ | I left? |
| 06:38.28 | spiderbiter_ | Oh, I see |
| 06:38.33 | Maquis | spiderbiter_: well... your alter ego... the one without the tail left |
| 06:38.39 | Maquis | findlay: ummm... yeah |
| 06:38.48 | findlay | spiders have tails? |
| 06:39.13 | Maquis | findlay: some very disturbed spiders do |
| 06:39.13 | spiderbiter_ | don't know how that happened |
| 06:39.36 | spiderbiter | there we go |
| 06:39.51 | findlay | ``Good morning, Dave...'' ``Um, hello! It's Maquis, duh! Hey I think this one still doesn't work...'' |
| 06:39.56 | spiderbiter | no tail, not disturbed |
| 06:39.58 | findlay | hahaha |
| 06:40.00 | xbmodder | hahahaa |
| 06:42.00 | findlay | Maquis: how close is machine learning to automatic theorem proving or proof optimization? |
| 06:47.12 | Maquis | findlay: from what i can tell, it's not that much what you're looking for... |
| 06:48.27 | Maquis | what he was doing was trying to write a program that can be trained to distinguish between various species of a specific flower with one input set, and then can use that information to make the distinction on a completely different input set |
| 06:49.52 | findlay | still intriguing all the same |
| 06:50.00 | Maquis | yeah... |
| 06:50.04 | Maquis | i found it interesting |
| 06:50.12 | Maquis | i have the code lying around someplace... |
| 06:52.08 | *** join/#utah mhatch (~mhatch@azza.com) |
| 06:52.43 | mhatch | Your opinions: What's your favorite DSL modem? |
| 06:53.02 | Maquis | it's been far too long of a day |
| 06:53.03 | findlay | and you're a Maquis phoebis or something |
| 06:53.27 | findlay | mheath: currently I like the one I have, since it brings the bits home |
| 06:54.16 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@sorenson.dsl.csolutions.net) |
| 06:54.23 | mheath | Agh. |
| 06:55.49 | *** part/#utah mhatch (~mhatch@azza.com) |
| 07:04.40 | findlay | xbmodder: the answer is 26 because it is the only number between a perfect square and a perfect cube. It is an excercise left to the reader to prove this. (-: |
| 07:27.34 | xbmodder | ? |
| 07:28.42 | findlay | ! |
| 07:36.54 | *** join/#utah tylerl (~tylerl@70-32-157-227.clspco.adelphia.net) |
| 07:37.29 | *** part/#utah tylerl (~tylerl@70-32-157-227.clspco.adelphia.net) |
| 08:38.52 | goozbach | stupid comcast |
| 08:39.01 | goozbach | grrr |
| 08:40.36 | goozbach | |praise treo & sprint |
| 08:44.23 | *** join/#utah Lone_Wanderer (leinaD@c-24-2-95-70.client.comcast.net) |
| 08:44.27 | Lone_Wanderer | is anyone here awake? |
| 08:44.32 | tene | yes |
| 08:44.35 | tene | too much awake |
| 08:44.36 | tene | you? |
| 08:44.40 | Lone_Wanderer | same |
| 08:44.40 | tene | Is anyone there awake? |
| 08:44.40 | brigham | you are on at the wrong time of day |
| 08:44.49 | tene | lies |
| 08:44.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got a folder from... well |
| 08:44.54 | tene | brigham is a liar |
| 08:45.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I had Windows installed on this one HD of mine, and there's a folder on there that's password protected or something |
| 08:45.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I've since moved the HD over to a different machine, but the folder's still there and I can't open it or anything |
| 08:46.04 | Lone_Wanderer | it's an NTFS drive... is there any way I can crack the protection on it? |
| 08:47.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know what was in it, but I can't even delete it now :( |
| 08:47.23 | *** join/#utah bonez41 (~aint@drjones.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 08:47.24 | tene | dunno |
| 08:47.29 | Lone_Wanderer | oh well |
| 08:47.32 | Lone_Wanderer | any idea where I could look? |
| 08:47.41 | tene | *shrug* google? |
| 08:47.43 | tene | or |
| 08:47.51 | Lone_Wanderer | googling now, it's not super helpful |
| 08:47.52 | tene | check the linux-ntfs page for mention of an irc channel |
| 08:48.01 | Lone_Wanderer | ohh, okay |
| 08:48.05 | Lone_Wanderer | (where are they?) |
| 08:48.09 | tene | or google for mention of a linux-ntfs irc channel |
| 08:48.32 | tene | http://linux-ntfs.sf.net/ |
| 08:48.34 | Lone_Wanderer | looks like it's #ntfs :) |
| 08:48.40 | tene | oh? |
| 08:48.41 | tene | sweet |
| 08:48.46 | tene | lemme know if you find something out |
| 08:49.09 | Lone_Wanderer | will do |
| 08:49.38 | Lone_Wanderer | looks like it's the wrong time of night to be asking there, too |
| 08:50.19 | tene | leave a message and possibly find mailinglist |
| 08:50.20 | tene | although |
| 08:50.32 | tene | I seemto remember reading on the website about them no longer following the mailinglist or something |
| 08:51.04 | Lone_Wanderer | *nods* |
| 09:21.51 | *** join/#utah spiderbiter (~spiderbit@38.119.177.194) |
| 09:41.10 | *** join/#utah brailsmt_ (~michael@adsl-64-219-130-123.dsl.kscymo.swbell.net) |
| 12:36.44 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net) |
| 12:47.01 | *** join/#utah emcnabb (~emcnabb@38.116.3.194) |
| 14:10.15 | *** join/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@byu-gw.customer.csolutions.net) |
| 14:15.39 | *** join/#utah byronc (~byron@208.186.180.204) |
| 14:18.46 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@c-24-2-90-131.client.comcast.net) |
| 14:53.10 | *** join/#utah wps (~wps@166.70.209.92) |
| 14:56.00 | *** join/#utah minam (~jgb3@128.187.137.210) |
| 15:11.19 | *** join/#utah tensai (~tensai@207.141.37.66) |
| 15:17.48 | Uncle_Jesse | Any Java or JDBC gurus around? |
| 15:18.18 | tene | I'm wearing pants, does that qualify me? |
| 15:18.36 | Uncle_Jesse | tene: I imagine so |
| 15:18.51 | Uncle_Jesse | Do your pants understand JDBC? |
| 15:18.51 | tene | Well then yes, with that definition, there is. |
| 15:18.56 | tene | No, they don't. |
| 15:19.04 | Uncle_Jesse | ooh - not sure if that qualifies then |
| 15:19.14 | tene | aww... |
| 15:24.12 | byronc | I use JDBC, but I'm not sure I would qualify as a guru |
| 15:25.45 | tene | Well, byronc, are you wearing pants? |
| 15:26.33 | byronc | yep |
| 15:26.48 | tene | Then I'd say you're a guru. |
| 15:30.59 | *** join/#utah sjansen (~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 15:31.39 | Uncle_Jesse | byronc: I may have a question for you in a minute, depending if the Eclipse guys can help or not |
| 15:32.01 | byronc | Uncle_Jesse: ok, I'll be back in a minute or two |
| 15:35.42 | *** join/#utah byronc (~byron@208.186.180.204) |
| 15:41.22 | *** join/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 15:44.46 | *** join/#utah byronc (~byron@208.186.180.204) |
| 15:45.00 | byronc | sorry about that, did I miss the jdbc question? |
| 15:45.09 | tene | nope |
| 15:45.18 | tene | we're still in suspense. |
| 15:50.47 | *** join/#utah wps (~wps@166.70.209.92) |
| 15:52.28 | xbmodder | ? |
| 15:55.57 | *** join/#utah spig (~spig_@translate.sento.com) |
| 15:56.26 | *** join/#utah bigdog_ut (~bigdog_ut@166.70.34.182) |
| 16:04.19 | *** join/#utah bonez39 (~aint@c-67-166-77-14.client.comcast.net) |
| 16:04.43 | hans | morn |
| 16:05.47 | bigdog_ut | likewise |
| 16:25.16 | Uncle_Jesse | byronc: this may sound like a stupid question but do I need anything JDBC installed on the server in order for my JDBC client to work with my database (I'm using MySQL in this instance) |
| 16:25.33 | *** join/#utah jsmith (~jsmith@pip.drs1.omniture.com) |
| 16:27.50 | byronc | Uncle_Jesse: you should just need the mysql jdbc jar. |
| 16:28.00 | Uncle_Jesse | byronc: that's just on the client, right? |
| 16:29.26 | byronc | Uncle_Jesse: right. just on the client. |
| 16:29.37 | Uncle_Jesse | that's what I thought - thanks |
| 16:29.38 | tensai | if the jdbc driver is 100% java native then all you need is the jar. the mysql driver is that way. |
| 16:29.57 | tensai | some other drivers are not. can't think of any off the top of my head, but I know they're out there. |
| 16:30.07 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: thanks |
| 16:30.16 | Uncle_Jesse | I am still figuring out this whole Java thing |
| 16:30.45 | Uncle_Jesse | Oracle sucks btw |
| 16:31.24 | tensai | perl dbi is the same way I belive. I remember using the oracle dbd driver and it required the oracle C libraries. |
| 16:35.30 | *** join/#utah neybar (~jalance@dsl233.sisna.com) |
| 16:38.21 | goozbach | |praise today |
| 16:38.28 | goozbach | winter-een mas |
| 16:38.36 | goozbach | wahoo! |
| 16:40.12 | *** join/#utah mrpull (~mrpull@205.158.184.116) |
| 16:43.59 | Uncle_Jesse | tensai: yeah - I've set up DBI for Oracle - It's a royal pain in the neck |
| 16:44.10 | Uncle_Jesse | especially if you're running 8i |
| 16:44.43 | Uncle_Jesse | But I owe that credit to Oracle due to the pain it was to install their client |
| 16:46.10 | Uncle_Jesse | I'm trying to download their jdbc driver right now and keep getting page not found errors when I try to sign up for an account |
| 16:46.30 | Uncle_Jesse | or login |
| 16:48.06 | *** join/#utah JoshH (~JoshH@firebat.aros.net) |
| 16:50.43 | hans | what the flip good is a text-based browser that you can't cut and paste to/from? |
| 16:51.28 | tene | hehe |
| 16:52.13 | hans | ~lart links |
| 16:57.30 | tene | that's what you get for running X, you heathen. |
| 16:58.18 | hans | back in the days before I used x regularly I used that console mouse thing. gpm? |
| 16:58.29 | hans | can't remember the name. I'd be just as mad about it in the console. :) |
| 16:58.36 | tene | gpm |
| 16:58.45 | tene | but hans, gpm works just fine with links |
| 16:58.51 | tene | so does the copy/paste in screen |
| 16:59.01 | goozbach | yes it does |
| 16:59.10 | *** join/#utah sjansen-treo (~upirc@032-316-452.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 16:59.17 | tene | heya, sjansen |
| 16:59.44 | tene | sjansen stopped using X and his leukemia was miraculously cured. |
| 17:00.04 | sjansen-treo | looks like Ubuntu died today |
| 17:00.25 | tene | oh? |
| 17:00.27 | tene | howso? |
| 17:01.38 | sjansen-treo | X suddenly spiked the system load |
| 17:01.54 | sjansen-treo | at first I thought it was evolution |
| 17:01.59 | tene | GAH! Stupid morons! *WHY* are you running IIS exploits on me? |
| 17:02.21 | hans | tene, perhaps deep down they know you want to be running IIS |
| 17:02.24 | sjansen-treo | but as I closed each program, another would spike instead |
| 17:03.01 | sjansen-treo | stracing showed them looping in random io calls |
| 17:03.38 | sjansen-treo | dropped down to runlevel 1 and poked around but didn't anything strange |
| 17:04.09 | sjansen-treo | went back to 2 and X acted dead |
| 17:04.28 | sjansen-treo | tried a reboot and networking died |
| 17:04.43 | hans | usually networking stops as you reboot |
| 17:04.56 | sjansen-treo | carmgr doesn't find any pcmcia slots |
| 17:05.19 | sjansen-treo | the kernel does know about my ethernet card any.ore |
| 17:05.29 | hans | so you're saying that your laptop totally corrupted itself beyond recognition |
| 17:05.35 | Jayce^ | sjansen-treo, which ubuntu are you running? |
| 17:05.54 | sjansen-treo | i'm even getting errors about not being able to set the hardware clock |
| 17:06.17 | hans | i don't know about ubuntu, but if your kernel doesn't work like it used to and you're _sure_ it's the same kernel, I'd suspect serious corruption of the hard disk, whatever the cause |
| 17:06.25 | sjansen-treo | I'm saying Debian corrupted itself beyond recognition. |
| 17:06.46 | hans | correction, ubuntu corrupted the filesystem beyond recognition (if that's truly the problem) |
| 17:07.53 | tene | If it wasn't so likely that it's an infected windows box doing this, I'd try to track down the person at this IP, call him, and tell him to cut it out. |
| 17:08.59 | hans | tene: do it. it's fun. threaten them with confiscation of equipment and whatnot |
| 17:09.04 | tene | hehe |
| 17:09.13 | tene | 24.207.28.244 this time |
| 17:09.26 | hans | and when the fear of windows security has been driven deep into the heart, stop and get to the real solution |
| 17:09.30 | tene | canada |
| 17:10.24 | hans | great, you can threaten them with people on horses. |
| 17:10.29 | tene | hehe |
| 17:11.11 | hans | ~hug terminus |
| 17:11.13 | ibot | ACTION hugs terminus |
| 17:11.17 | hans | now available in 12pt flavor |
| 17:11.24 | hans | and oblique |
| 17:12.04 | tene | shell cmd for printing the first field of each line of stdin? |
| 17:12.11 | byronc | hans: how recently did they add 12 pt? |
| 17:12.12 | tene | mind blanking today |
| 17:12.23 | hans | byronc: not sure, but it made my day the other day when I noticed |
| 17:12.34 | hans | 14pt is nice but takes up too much room to be my terminal font seriously |
| 17:13.08 | hans | but 12pt isn't all that much bigger (wider, anyway) than the default xterm font, and you get terminal density combined with the excellent font |
| 17:17.15 | Jayce^ | http://www.snopes.com/photos/commercials/vwpolo.asp <- video clip on the page, but very good |
| 17:22.02 | *** join/#utah Zelda (~Zelda@ip68-106-4-51.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 17:23.12 | Zelda | everyone here live in Utah? |
| 17:23.24 | tene | heh |
| 17:23.27 | tene | maybe |
| 17:23.39 | jsmith | Well, it isn't called #wyoming, if that's what you're asking. |
| 17:24.05 | Zelda | Well, I was just wondering. I used to live in Utah |
| 17:24.19 | Zelda | Just moved outta there last March |
| 17:24.23 | hans | Until link rescued you? |
| 17:24.42 | Zelda | Im not gay. |
| 17:24.54 | hans | ok |
| 17:25.20 | hans | glad we got that cleared up. I don't get the reference though. |
| 17:25.29 | tene | I'm not a walrus. |
| 17:25.34 | Zelda | what do you mean? |
| 17:25.57 | tene | that your statement was quite a non-sequiter, as far as he (also I) can see. |
| 17:26.16 | hans | yes, good vocabulary. |
| 17:26.21 | Zelda | indeed |
| 17:26.35 | goozbach | "Link! he come town...." |
| 17:26.44 | goozbach | -- SoaD |
| 17:26.55 | hans | I always wondered if non-sequiter was related etymologicaly to sequins |
| 17:27.40 | Zelda | well you spelt it wrong. |
| 17:27.51 | Zelda | non se·qui·tur |
| 17:28.58 | tene | Yes, I did. |
| 17:29.13 | tene | But if you notice, both you and hans understood what I meant. |
| 17:30.35 | levi | hans: The etymology of sequin and sequence are not related. |
| 17:30.37 | Zelda | yeah. Indeed |
| 17:31.26 | hans | ok. well I'm still confused. So is tene |
| 17:33.18 | levi | hans: Latin root of 'non sequitur' (which is Latin already) is sequi (follow). Sequin is from the name of an Italian/Turkish gold coin from Fr. sequin, from It. zecchino, from zecca "a mint," from Ar. sikkah "a minting die." |
| 17:33.19 | Zelda | Anyone in here from Utah? |
| 17:34.19 | byronc | hans: here's my guess... Zelda was female, Link was male |
| 17:34.30 | Uncle_Jesse | Zelda: I'm in Virginia |
| 17:34.31 | levi | Zelda: Do you mean are we currently in Utah? Or were we born in Utah? Raised in Utah? Our immediate previous location was Utah? |
| 17:34.47 | levi | s/location/residence |
| 17:34.48 | Uncle_Jesse | I was born in Utah and lived in Utah though - does that count? |
| 17:34.51 | *** join/#utah natester (~me@67.50.46.118) |
| 17:34.53 | Uncle_Jesse | I claim to be from Texas |
| 17:35.11 | Uncle_Jesse | I've also lived in Ohio, Thailand, and Indonesia |
| 17:35.26 | Uncle_Jesse | My parents are in Boston, MA |
| 17:35.57 | Uncle_Jesse | So I guess that makes me a mutt |
| 17:36.15 | Uncle_Jesse | The internet is my home |
| 17:40.52 | Zelda | Interesting. |
| 17:41.41 | Zelda | yes, you're correct byronc. Zelda is female. However, having a female alias doenst make me female. |
| 17:46.02 | *** join/#utah bzob (~bzobrist@dynix.dynix.com) |
| 17:46.41 | tene | I believe that by referring to Zelda's gender he was also referring to a possible sexual relationship between Zelda and Link (a Male) and thereby indicating that you might have interpreted hans' statement as implying that you also have sexual or romantic relations with males by extension. |
| 17:47.08 | Zelda | Very interesting. Im flattered. |
| 17:47.10 | Zelda | but.. no |
| 17:47.28 | tene | Well that's the only explanation for your statement that I can think of either. |
| 17:47.34 | tene | So... I'm all out of ideas. |
| 17:48.03 | tene | Do *you* have any ideas for why you apparently randomly announced that you're not homosexual? |
| 17:49.19 | *** join/#utah jakea (~jakea@byu147137wks.byu.edu) |
| 17:51.36 | levi | tene: I think you were right, but you confused Zelda with your explanation. |
| 17:53.51 | tene | hmm. |
| 17:53.58 | tene | You wanna give it a shot, levi? |
| 17:58.43 | levi | The exchange: "Zelda: I used to live in Utah..." "hans: Until Link rescued you?" was interpreted thus: Link would only rescue someone he was in love with; a female or gay male. Zelda's typist is male but not gay, so he objected. |
| 18:00.32 | *** join/#utah PoeticIntensity (~jason@c-24-2-76-42.client.comcast.net) |
| 18:02.26 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@c-67-161-219-228.client.comcast.net) |
| 18:03.00 | *** join/#utah JoshH (~JoshH@firebat.aros.net) |
| 18:21.20 | *** join/#utah L3hi8rk5 (~L3hi8rk5@CPE00045af32e95-CM00080d863044.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 18:36.02 | *** join/#utah sjansen-treo (~upirc@032-313-177.area1.spcsdns.net) |
| 18:37.12 | hans | i wasn't particularly interested in link's feelings. I just knew link rescued zelda. |
| 18:37.36 | sjansen-treo | there is a very technical term for the state of my system: hosed |
| 18:37.52 | hans | but hosed in what way? |
| 18:38.24 | sjansen-treo | totally |
| 18:38.37 | hans | every facet hosed itself simultaneously then? |
| 18:39.15 | sjansen-treo | fc3, suse, and ubuntu do not see a network card or pcmcia system |
| 18:40.21 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu) |
| 18:40.31 | sjansen-treo | makes me wonder what other hardware is about to bite the big one |
| 18:41.25 | sjansen-treo | and of course the stupid bios is useless |
| 18:48.17 | natester | ~lart useless bios |
| 18:49.08 | hans | ouch. hardware hosed? |
| 18:49.11 | hans | that's no fun |
| 18:49.44 | hans | well at least you've got your treo. the screen's not as big... |
| 18:51.53 | *** join/#utah fungus (~fungus@firebat.aros.net) |
| 18:51.53 | sjansen-treo | when I get home I'm going to backup and *shudder* install windows |
| 18:52.19 | natester | *gasp* |
| 18:52.23 | emcnabb | sjansen-treo, I bet you already run it |
| 18:52.42 | mrpull | or maybe knoppix... that is a where I turn when I need some linux HW troubleshooting |
| 18:55.02 | mrpull | is the nic built in or pcmcia? |
| 18:56.11 | Zelda | Nice talking to you all. Catch you around. |
| 18:56.18 | sjansen-treo | built in |
| 18:56.36 | *** part/#utah Zelda (~Zelda@ip68-106-4-51.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 18:58.15 | *** join/#utah phinux (~phinux@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu) |
| 18:58.43 | sjansen-treo | I don't think the bios is seeing the nic. |
| 18:59.09 | mrpull | rats. who makes the laptop? |
| 18:59.35 | sjansen-treo | hp |
| 19:00.56 | mrpull | their bios settings do leave something to be desired. |
| 19:07.07 | Maquis | |lart sjansen-treo |
| 19:07.48 | *** join/#utah brigham (~brigham@128.187.244.16) |
| 19:07.53 | *** join/#utah brigham (~brigham@128.187.244.16) |
| 19:08.55 | Maquis | |lart sjansen-treo |
| 19:13.35 | *** join/#utah sjansen (~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 19:14.04 | sjansen | Well, at least I've got a USB network adapter working. |
| 19:14.25 | tene | gah... |
| 19:14.53 | tene | the mobo I was going to switch to isn't pga370 like I thought it was, but socket492 |
| 19:15.09 | tene | and I don't have any socket492 procs |
| 19:15.10 | tene | so |
| 19:15.28 | tene | it's either switch to a larger case or stick with the onboard video on this box |
| 19:16.01 | tene | maybe I should just take a nap and when I wake up all my problems will be solved. |
| 19:16.36 | *** join/#utah SpecialK (~chatzilla@byu081049wks.byu.edu) |
| 19:17.16 | SpecialK | |lart Maquis |
| 19:21.14 | SpecialK | NOOOoooOOoOOO! don't do it SJ! |
| 19:34.07 | sjansen | I told you that Debian hates me. |
| 19:34.19 | sjansen | I knew things were going too well with Ubuntu. |
| 19:34.48 | sjansen | Debian was just waiting to lull me into a false sense of security. |
| 19:37.39 | spr | that evil Debian |
| 19:37.54 | spr | ~lart Debian |
| 19:41.32 | hans | so ubuntu hosed your hardware? |
| 19:41.57 | Maquis | sjansen: problems with ubuntu/ |
| 19:41.58 | Maquis | ? |
| 19:43.07 | hans | his mobo is apparently gone off the deep end, and naturally it's ubuntu's fault. |
| 19:43.54 | hans | i don't dismiss the possibility. It's just that I've _yet_ to see any hardware destroyed by software, even windows. Although I know it's possible (e.g. don't overclock this, watch your sync settings on old monitors...) |
| 19:44.34 | sjansen | hans, You think it's just coincidence that my hardware was working okay until I trusted Debian? |
| 19:44.43 | sjansen | It's a conspiracy! Debian hates me! |
| 19:44.57 | fozz | :) |
| 19:45.17 | JoshH | other than that thing about mandrake destroying a certain brand of cd drives a year ago or so, ive never heard of any OS or distro destroying hardware either. |
| 19:45.57 | SpecialK | It might have nothing to do with debian. I think you abused your hardware and you're looking for an excuse. |
| 19:46.40 | sjansen | You all think too logically. I've used computer long enough to know that software attract evil spirit that control our lives. |
| 19:47.00 | sjansen | Debian's just more efficient at attracting evil spirits to my computers. |
| 19:47.30 | JoshH | so you look for a spiritual explanation instead of a scientific one. |
| 19:48.12 | sjansen | I prefer to think of it as metaphysically transcendent science that we have yet to fully explore. |
| 19:48.20 | JoshH | lol |
| 19:48.33 | sjansen | Murphy started to explore the basic laws, but we all know what happened to him. |
| 19:49.25 | sjansen | Of course, it's not just Debian. All computers hate us. It's just that Debian is more evil. |
| 19:53.43 | *** join/#utah Lone_Wanderer (~chatzilla@64.122.31.10) |
| 19:54.18 | sjansen | Excuse me gentleman (and lady), I'm going to push my luck by trying to check my mail. |
| 19:55.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I just :%s/^M/\n/g'ed, and now instead of ^M's I have ^@'s |
| 19:55.43 | Lone_Wanderer | how do I get rid of the ^@'s? |
| 19:56.08 | hans | sun in the eyes. time to switch to the laptop |
| 19:56.53 | hans | on the bright side, my chiles are sprouting |
| 19:57.03 | hans | everyone should have a little garden on top of their monitors |
| 19:57.52 | Lone_Wanderer | is that good for your monitor? |
| 19:58.22 | Maquis | that's gotta be one dirty monitor |
| 19:58.43 | hans | well, see, it's in a little jiffy greenhouse thing |
| 19:58.47 | hans | so not exactly on the monitor |
| 19:59.12 | Lone_Wanderer | so... can anyone help me out with the ^@ problem? |
| 19:59.15 | spr | Lone_Wanderer, try : %s/^@//g (^@ being made by: ctrl-v ctrl-@) |
| 19:59.18 | Maquis | too bad |
| 19:59.28 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks spr |
| 19:59.40 | spr | np |
| 19:59.58 | *** join/#utah sjansen (~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 20:00.41 | Lone_Wanderer | another quick one. if I want to make vi automatically run vim, can I just put |
| 20:00.47 | Lone_Wanderer | alias `vi`=`vim` |
| 20:00.50 | Lone_Wanderer | in my .bashrc? |
| 20:01.46 | spr | yep, that's what I do |
| 20:02.13 | Lone_Wanderer | So it's backticks around both and not single quotes and all that? |
| 20:02.37 | Lone_Wanderer | oh dear. I just "source ~/.bashrc"ed and it's locked up my terminal |
| 20:02.40 | Newsome | No |
| 20:02.47 | Newsome | single quotes |
| 20:03.05 | Newsome | backticks will try executing vi and vim |
| 20:03.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess that would be why it's locked up then, eh? |
| 20:03.44 | sjansen | yep |
| 20:04.11 | *** join/#utah timmywu (~timm@translate.sento.com) |
| 20:04.34 | sjansen | heh, my first issue of Debian weekly news just arrived |
| 20:04.43 | Maquis | sjansen: just in time :) |
| 20:04.51 | Lone_Wanderer | wow. adventures in the unix shell |
| 20:05.24 | Maquis | Lone_Wanderer: try this one: |
| 20:05.40 | Maquis | :(){ : | :& };: |
| 20:05.44 | Maquis | (don't really) |
| 20:06.19 | Lone_Wanderer | why, what would it do? |
| 20:07.25 | Lone_Wanderer | is that in vi? |
| 20:07.39 | Lone_Wanderer | unless it saves changes in the process I can always :q! |
| 20:07.46 | Maquis | no... |
| 20:07.48 | Maquis | it's in bash |
| 20:08.03 | Lone_Wanderer | oh |
| 20:08.26 | Maquis | just a nice little bash command.... :) |
| 20:08.36 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm. :() puts me in some kind of prompt |
| 20:09.00 | Maquis | hadn't tried just doing that part, but that makes sense... |
| 20:09.09 | Lone_Wanderer | :() (enter) : |
| 20:09.15 | Lone_Wanderer | gives "unexpected token" |
| 20:09.41 | Maquis | if you do the whole thing? or when? |
| 20:09.44 | Lone_Wanderer | (I was thinking that maybe :() { } means "Pass what's inside the {}'s to :()) |
| 20:09.44 | tensai | it's a fork bomb. it'll lock up your terminal real fast |
| 20:10.03 | Maquis | 5 seconds on my server... :) |
| 20:10.12 | Lone_Wanderer | seeing as how I'm currently logged into a production server, I don't think that would be a good idea. |
| 20:10.34 | sjansen | heh |
| 20:10.35 | Maquis | like i said: "(don't really)" |
| 20:10.50 | Lone_Wanderer | what does it all mean though? |
| 20:11.04 | Maquis | :() declares a function |
| 20:11.07 | sjansen | no, do please, then tell us how it turned out |
| 20:11.15 | Maquis | the function body is between the { and the } |
| 20:11.32 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 20:11.50 | Maquis | : | :& calls the function, and pipes it to the function |
| 20:12.03 | Maquis | the ; says that we're done with that command (making the function) |
| 20:12.06 | Maquis | and : calls it |
| 20:12.12 | Lone_Wanderer | if I :(blah) { <stuff> } would that define a function named blah? |
| 20:12.27 | byronc | Lone_Wanderer: that would define a function named :blah |
| 20:12.44 | Maquis | byronc: it wouldn't define a function expecting parameters? |
| 20:13.01 | Maquis | i would think that it would create :, expecting <blah> parameters |
| 20:13.42 | tensai | nope. that's not how bash works. parameters are passes as $1, $2, etc. |
| 20:14.12 | tensai | foo () { echo $1 }; foo bar |
| 20:14.30 | tensai | that'll echo "bar" |
| 20:15.37 | Maquis | so, why would :(blah) become a function called :blah |
| 20:15.37 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks for the help guys |
| 20:15.42 | Maquis | it seems that it would be : |
| 20:16.00 | byronc | whoops meant that it would be :(blah) |
| 20:16.00 | tensai | it won't. it'll give you a syntax error. |
| 20:16.14 | Maquis | ok |
| 20:16.17 | Maquis | that makes more sense |
| 20:17.38 | *** join/#utah spr (~spr@ramona.cs.byu.edu) |
| 20:24.59 | *** join/#utah vontrapp (~von@64.122.29.154) |
| 20:25.19 | vontrapp | can anyone point me to a good place to get started with mod-ruby? |
| 20:25.36 | vontrapp | how to set up the modules and extensions, etc. |
| 20:29.26 | sjansen | Support for DevFS? Russell Coker [12]stated that devfs is regarded as |
| 20:29.27 | sjansen | obsolete in the kernel source and will be [13]removed in July 2005. |
| 20:29.27 | sjansen | However, the new [14]installer is [15]based on it. Joey Hess |
| 20:29.27 | sjansen | [16]asserted that Debian will not destabilise the installer by |
| 20:29.27 | sjansen | beginning to make large changes to it, like not using devfs, until |
| 20:29.28 | sjansen | sarge is released. |
| 20:29.59 | sjansen | Good to see that Debian is keeping the tradition alive by planning for obsolecence from the beginning. |
| 20:30.35 | hans | like redhat still releasing things with 2.4 |
| 20:33.04 | levi | It's pretty easy to switch to whatever the newest way to do things is after installing a Debian system. |
| 20:33.10 | sjansen | I think this is just a wee bit different. |
| 20:33.42 | sjansen | It's not like this udev hasn't been a long time coming, as well as the death of devfs being known too. |
| 20:34.28 | sjansen | Does it really take more than a year to move from devfs to udev in an installer? |
| 20:34.43 | sjansen | If it does, there's something very wrong. |
| 20:35.59 | hans | please. udev hasn't been ready for primetime until very very recently, if at all |
| 20:36.38 | byronc | ~lart debian ruby packaging |
| 20:37.10 | hans | don't forget perl packaging while you're at it. |
| 20:37.31 | natester | forget packaging while you're at it and do it from source tarballs |
| 20:39.22 | *** join/#utah vontrapp_ (~von@c-67-177-11-46.client.comcast.net) |
| 20:40.49 | Uncle_Jesse | forget source tarballs all together and use perl's CPAN module |
| 20:54.50 | vontrapp_ | so anyone? i still can't find a good straightforward document on how to configure my mod-ruby |
| 20:58.39 | hans | try #ruby-lang |
| 21:12.53 | *** join/#utah sjansen (~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 21:13.55 | vontrapp_ | FXO cards have arrived |
| 21:19.55 | *** join/#utah sjansen (~sjansen@hq-nat2.gurulabs.com) |
| 21:24.51 | vontrapp_ | how do i turn on ExecCGI? |
| 21:26.22 | vontrapp | in apache2 |
| 21:26.57 | Newsome | google: apache execcgi |
| 21:27.29 | *** part/#utah bigdog_ut (~bigdog_ut@166.70.34.182) |
| 21:29.46 | Uncle_Jesse | I just got an e-mail with a request for permission to our IT department to download Firefox. It went through about 5 people, stating that downloading of software was not permissive according to company policy and ended up with a request to our department to create a PO to purchase the software so it was legit. |
| 21:30.13 | Uncle_Jesse | Man, there is something seriously wrong with parts of our IT department. |
| 21:30.13 | Newsome | hahaha |
| 21:30.32 | hans | Uncle_Jesse: send them a bill |
| 21:30.35 | hans | $5 per copy |
| 21:30.35 | Uncle_Jesse | Considering all of our internet guys use Firefox |
| 21:30.38 | Newsome | need me to draw up a quote? |
| 21:30.47 | hans | and split the profits here |
| 21:30.48 | Uncle_Jesse | hans: We were going to request $70 per copy |
| 21:31.07 | hans | ah well, you know your company better than I do. milk them for all they're worth |
| 21:31.11 | sjansen | Uncle_Jesse: I'll underbid that at $65. |
| 21:31.25 | Uncle_Jesse | sjansen: I'll be sure to let them know |
| 21:31.46 | Uncle_Jesse | That was the funniest e-mail I've ever read |
| 21:31.49 | vontrapp | and i even put it on a cd for you |
| 21:31.59 | sjansen | I'll even throw in support. "Sounds like IE got jealous and frobbed the registry. You'll have to reinstall." |
| 21:32.19 | hans | reinstall the bios you mean? |
| 21:33.57 | hans | i think it's time to suspect conspiracy |
| 21:34.06 | hans | some debian developer somewhere has it out for you |
| 21:34.12 | levi | Hmmm, BitC looks like an interesting language. |
| 21:34.48 | hans | ~spell siced |
| 21:34.50 | ibot | possible spellings for siced: sized sauced sic ed sic-ed sliced spiced diced sicked secede seized iced suicide riced sided sired sited sourced viced deiced side sieved socked sucked soused sued aced skied spied Ced Sid sluiced |
| 21:35.02 | hans | ~dict sic-ed |
| 21:37.00 | levi | Anyone else look at the Coyotos stuff? |
| 21:49.34 | tensai | ~lart bad memory |
| 21:52.28 | vontrapp | ~hug ruby+yaml |
| 21:52.30 | ibot | ACTION hugs ruby+yaml |
| 21:57.45 | sjansen | ~lart dead laptop sub-systems |
| 21:58.21 | sjansen | c'mon, ibot, you can do better than that |
| 21:58.29 | sjansen | ~bzfrag dead laptop sub-systems |
| 21:58.31 | ibot | ACTION fries dead laptop sub-systems with a laser |
| 22:07.37 | sjansen | http://whatis.techtarget.com/content/0,290959,sid9_gci1047080,00.html |
| 22:32.17 | sjansen | What the? Today's Tuesday. What happened to Monday? |
| 22:34.46 | vontrapp | you spent it stuck on the freeway |
| 22:41.00 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu) |
| 22:48.02 | *** join/#utah findlay (~justin@65.203.174.134) |
| 22:53.32 | hans | postfix dudes, can I have two -o content_filter=foo in the smtp entry in master.cf? |
| 22:54.45 | sjansen | hans: you're the vim-meister, if ain't you can figure out how to do it, ain't nobody can figure out how to do it ;-) |
| 22:55.10 | hans | |lart sjansen for being literal |
| 22:59.01 | vontrapp | so does <Directory somewhere/> apply the settings to all subdirectories or just the one? |
| 22:59.12 | *** join/#utah synic (~synic@66.239.17.228.ptr.us.xo.net) |
| 22:59.36 | vontrapp | and how do i set Options +ExecCGI for everywhere, it doesn't like me to put it outside a <Directory> |
| 23:01.40 | sjansen | subdirectories |
| 23:01.46 | sjansen | <Directory /> |
| 23:01.59 | sjansen | Although allowing cgi's everywhere is probably a bad idea. |
| 23:02.50 | sjansen | hans: see, hans, I can be nice to them is nice to me :-P |
| 23:03.03 | vontrapp | i put it in <Directory /> and it still doesn't work |
| 23:03.21 | vontrapp | is /home/*/public_html/ going to be included in / ? |
| 23:03.27 | sjansen | probably being turned off somewhere |
| 23:04.04 | vontrapp | i have: |
| 23:04.05 | sjansen | btw, you have defined a handler, right? |
| 23:04.10 | vontrapp | <Directory /> |
| 23:04.19 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.21 | *** join/#utah drewbono (~andrew@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu) |
| 23:04.26 | vontrapp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:04.30 | vontrapp | </Directory> |
| 23:04.45 | vontrapp | and yes, i've gotten it to work with the explicit directory |
| 23:05.24 | sjansen | Do you have a <Directory /home/*/public_html/> turning it off? |
| 23:05.46 | vontrapp | ~lart idiot sales reps who don't transcribe addresses correctly |
| 23:07.48 | vontrapp | not unless the userdir module does something like that |
| 23:08.29 | sjansen | perhaps lart-ing hans will help |
| 23:08.51 | vontrapp | |lart hans |
| 23:09.07 | sjansen | any change? |
| 23:09.07 | hans | |lart vontrapp |
| 23:09.12 | vontrapp | no change |
| 23:09.22 | vontrapp | |lart @hans |
| 23:09.22 | sjansen | oh well, it was worth a try |
| 23:10.33 | findlay | there's nothing like Tschaikowsky's 4th symphony to dissipate your anger |
| 23:10.52 | findlay | ~praise Tschaikowsky |
| 23:10.54 | ibot | All hail Tschaikowsky! |
| 23:14.42 | vontrapp | well, until i have tschaikowsky |
| 23:14.43 | mheath | Tchaikovsky* :) |
| 23:14.45 | vontrapp | |lart mheath |
| 23:14.49 | vontrapp | |lart sjansen |
| 23:15.05 | mheath | 1 |
| 23:15.47 | Newsome | yay! |
| 23:16.07 | Newsome | an all-expense-paid trip to smog-city? |
| 23:16.27 | sjansen | heck no! you can drive yourself to work. |
| 23:16.35 | Newsome | or just walk outside |
| 23:19.06 | vontrapp | hmm, the most fruitful spellin was Tchaikovsky |
| 23:19.27 | *** join/#utah xbmodder_lappy (~xbmodder@adsl-67-119-13-192.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 23:20.46 | xbmodder_lappy | hey all |
| 23:21.25 | vontrapp | |lart xbmodder_lappy |
| 23:21.27 | vontrapp | ?? |
| 23:21.32 | findlay | ha |
| 23:21.36 | sjansen | what an odd lart |
| 23:21.43 | sjansen | ~bzfrag brigham |
| 23:21.45 | ibot | ACTION makes brigham feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 23:21.55 | findlay | brailsmt: try 'man |lart' |
| 23:22.17 | findlay | brigham: try 'man |lart' |
| 23:22.17 | vontrapp | |addlart sjansen :-P |
| 23:22.18 | brigham | alright |
| 23:22.18 | findlay | sorry brailsmt |
| 23:22.19 | hans | |rmlart help |
| 23:22.19 | brigham | fine |
| 23:22.24 | hans | |addlart <reply>help |
| 23:22.25 | brigham | okay then :) |
| 23:22.38 | *** join/#utah macnerv (macnerv@65-100-255-153.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 23:22.39 | xbmodder_lappy | ? |
| 23:22.44 | macnerv | anyone here? |
| 23:22.47 | sjansen | |rmhans |
| 23:22.52 | macnerv | hmmm... |
| 23:22.54 | sjansen | macnerv: no |
| 23:22.58 | macnerv | lol |
| 23:23.03 | sjansen | just us internet echoes |
| 23:23.04 | sjansen | echoes |
| 23:23.05 | sjansen | echoes |
| 23:23.11 | findlay | nope nothing's here, we're not even here |
| 23:23.17 | macnerv | anyone see linuxfreak lately? |
| 23:23.24 | macnerv | hey i need help gettin a distro |
| 23:23.29 | sjansen | ~seen linuxfreak |
| 23:23.31 | ibot | linuxfreak <~dan@0x3e42bd6c.adsl.cybercity.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 65d 6h 59m 22s ago, saying: 'FieldySnuts -> Okay there is many with similar nick :S'. |
| 23:23.36 | findlay | I don't think I'm quite familiar with that phrase |
| 23:23.48 | macnerv | Slackware 10.0 all 4 cds not 2 |
| 23:23.58 | xbmodder_lappy | ~last me |
| 23:24.02 | xbmodder_lappy | ~lart me |
| 23:24.09 | xbmodder_lappy | thats good |
| 23:26.09 | bonez39 | anyone here using VOIP, or a SIP phone? |
| 23:26.40 | mac-oalug | anyoen from oalug here? |
| 23:26.56 | vontrapp | at the very moment in fact |
| 23:26.57 | findlay | bonez39: I'm just setting up asterisk here myself |
| 23:26.57 | sjansen | can anyone spare a quarter? |
| 23:27.05 | findlay | 1/4 |
| 23:27.16 | findlay | $0.25 |
| 23:27.22 | bonez39 | ein viertel...... |
| 23:27.33 | mac-oalug | £15 |
| 23:27.33 | sjansen | so's your mother! |
| 23:27.39 | findlay | DCC sjansen $0.25 |
| 23:28.05 | findlay | it should be coming out of your CD tray pretty soon |
| 23:28.13 | fungus | http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/50sq_program/states/index.cfm?state=KY |
| 23:29.01 | vontrapp | sjansen: what a concept, i could use a little change myself |
| 23:29.02 | sjansen | mheath: aren't you up in the Ogden area? |
| 23:29.38 | mac-oalug | because i'm trying to see what i missed at oalug meetings for the past month |
| 23:29.38 | mac-oalug | lol |
| 23:29.46 | mac-oalug | was at a family reunion in Ireland |
| 23:30.31 | bonez39 | nn |
| 23:31.26 | xbmodder_lappy | bonez39, yeah... what do you need? |
| 23:31.39 | mheath | sjansen: indeed I am |
| 23:32.13 | xbmodder_lappy | i need a flash mob from california to storm this room |
| 23:32.20 | mheath | only gone to oalug once, though |
| 23:32.33 | findlay | ~soak Maquis |
| 23:32.44 | Maquis | ~frag findlay |
| 23:32.46 | ibot | ACTION readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at findlay |
| 23:32.46 | findlay | ~gatorade Maquis |
| 23:33.02 | Maquis | mmmm... gatorade! |
| 23:33.07 | xbmodder_lappy | ~burn gatorade |
| 23:33.09 | ibot | ibot pours gasoline all over gatorade, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 23:33.26 | bonez39 | xbmodder_lappy, well, I have VOIP at home here and am just using a regular phone, not a sip or anything special..people find it hard to hear me.......at the other end...just curious what effect a SIP phone would have on voice quality |
| 23:33.30 | Maquis | vontrapp: ummm... |
| 23:33.49 | Maquis | ~spell rakmaninov |
| 23:33.50 | ibot | possible spellings for rakmaninov: Rachmaninoff Romanov Romanian remaining Romanians Romanian's Rumanian's Guamanian |
| 23:33.58 | Maquis | ok... |
| 23:34.05 | xbmodder_lappy | bonez39, i have the same problem |
| 23:34.08 | Maquis | and ~spell tchaikovsky |
| 23:34.12 | sjansen | bonez39: the person you need to catch is jsmith |
| 23:34.17 | mheath | Hmm. |
| 23:34.17 | Maquis | ~spell tchaikovsky |
| 23:34.17 | ibot | possible spellings for tchaikovsky: Tchaikovsky Tchaikovsky's Tsiolkovsky Chayefsky Sikorsky Chomsky |
| 23:34.29 | mheath | Can anyone recommend a nice Linux distro that will fit in 120 MB HDD space? |
| 23:34.36 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, tinylinux |
| 23:34.40 | bonez39 | xbmodder_lappy, I am thinking of getting a SIP phone as I hear they work better with VOIP....ok..I'll watch for Jsmith later... |
| 23:34.44 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, what do you need it for? |
| 23:34.44 | sjansen | tomsrtboot |
| 23:34.47 | xbmodder_lappy | bonez39, cool |
| 23:34.49 | findlay | mheath: dang small Linux? |
| 23:34.50 | bonez39 | thanks.... |
| 23:35.23 | vontrapp | mheath: what xbmodder_lappy said |
| 23:35.23 | Maquis | findlay: i believe that's a utah variant, is it not? :) |
| 23:35.34 | Maquis | they forked it and just changed the name :) |
| 23:35.36 | mheath | findlay: thats gotten a little big in the last bit. Plus, it's now CD |
| 23:35.49 | vontrapp | debian can be installed in appx 58 MiB |
| 23:35.49 | mheath | Text Editing |
| 23:35.52 | xbmodder_lappy | mheath, what do you need this for? |
| 23:35.59 | findlay | mheath: try BSD |
| 23:35.59 | mheath | Nano, Vim |
| 23:36.09 | mheath | IRC |
| 23:36.21 | findlay | don't forget mutt and lynx |
| 23:36.33 | mheath | I don't need mutt |
| 23:36.36 | vontrapp | then you could even add X (without gnome or kde) for appx 15-20 mor MiB |
| 23:36.43 | mheath | my main mail is currently gmail |
| 23:37.00 | sjansen | you have to have fortune! |
| 23:37.18 | mheath | I'm thinking about mulinux |
| 23:37.25 | *** part/#utah Newsome (~sorenson@obelix.cs.byu.edu) |
| 23:37.29 | vontrapp | about 27 MiB for firefox |
| 23:37.46 | findlay | another 2700 for emacs |
| 23:37.53 | vontrapp | see, it's actually more about what you put on top of the distro than the distro itself |
| 23:37.54 | mheath | vontrapp: but firefox also requires GTK |
| 23:37.58 | mheath | and a bunch of other stuff |
| 23:38.02 | *** part/#utah timmywu (~timm@translate.sento.com) |
| 23:38.11 | findlay | a bunch, why not a flock? |
| 23:38.13 | vontrapp | findlay: who needs emacs? |
| 23:38.25 | *** part/#utah drewbono (~andrew@byu176783wks.rn.byu.edu) |
| 23:38.52 | mac-oalug | mheath... do u go to OALUG? |
| 23:39.02 | mheath | mac-oalug: I have only ocassionally |
| 23:39.07 | mheath | I'm on the mailing list, though.. |
| 23:39.13 | vontrapp | findlay: where you been anyways? |
| 23:39.16 | mheath | I might be able to provide some insight into what's happened |
| 23:39.24 | vontrapp | i've missed your random classical music enjoyments |
| 23:39.30 | mac-oalug | i'm trying to find out whats happened from the past one |
| 23:39.42 | mac-oalug | i was away in Ireland for the Morris Family Reunion |
| 23:40.07 | mheath | I dunno. Check there site |
| 23:40.43 | hans | |roulette |
| 23:40.45 | brigham | hans: chamber 1 of 6 => *BANG* |
| 23:40.51 | goozbach | buhahahaha |
| 23:40.53 | hans | everyone smile for the camera |
| 23:41.19 | xbmodder_lappy | |roulette |
| 23:41.20 | brigham | xbmodder_lappy: chamber 1 of 6 => +click+ |
| 23:41.33 | mheath | What Linux filesystem will have the least overhead for a 120 MB hdd? |
| 23:41.41 | xbmodder_lappy | ext2 |
| 23:42.27 | xbmodder_lappy | where is slackware_kid |
| 23:42.37 | findlay | me am in cyberspace (aren't we all?) and in Ephraim, Utah |
| 23:42.45 | Jayce^ | reiser has a little journal overhead, but is better at stuffing to save space |
| 23:43.00 | findlay | finally got a plug in the wall that speaks TCP/IP |
| 23:43.19 | mheath | Jayce^: yeah, but in something very small like 120 MB, I think that base overhead would be much higher than ext2's. |
| 23:43.25 | mheath | Maybe I should use Minix :D |
| 23:43.34 | findlay | mheath: Fat12! |
| 23:43.51 | mheath | Hehe, that's only for floppy disks :D |
| 23:44.06 | *** join/#utah byronc (~byron@208.186.180.204) |
| 23:44.17 | findlay | sometimes you can make a CD flop |
| 23:45.33 | xbmodder_lappy | findlay, you have an interesting sense of humor |
| 23:45.34 | xbmodder_lappy | :-/ |
| 23:46.13 | hans | http://fugal.net/~fugalh/tmp/ss.jpg |
| 23:46.46 | xbmodder_lappy | try minux |
| 23:46.48 | xbmodder_lappy | minix |
| 23:47.49 | xbmodder_lappy | do i need the application switcher |
| 23:49.32 | *** part/#utah mrpull (~mrpull@205.158.184.116) |
| 23:50.16 | hans | I bet hurd would fit |
| 23:50.19 | vontrapp | ah, 18th variation |
| 23:50.59 | *** join/#utah joshc (~josh@jcoates.org) |
| 23:51.10 | joshc | sup #utah people |
| 23:51.19 | xbmodder_lappy | joshc, nothing much |
| 23:51.29 | xbmodder_lappy | alot... |
| 23:51.33 | vontrapp | hans, what's that in your pts/4? |
| 23:51.47 | *** join/#utah wps (~wps@166.70.209.92) |
| 23:52.01 | xbmodder_lappy | wps, hey |
| 23:52.08 | Jayce^ | whazzup coates.. |
| 23:52.08 | joshc | so is it okay to introduce a topic i've been working on here? |
| 23:52.12 | joshc | hey jayce |
| 23:52.16 | Jayce^ | of course |
| 23:52.26 | joshc | okay - hiring in utah.. |
| 23:52.28 | xbmodder_lappy | yeah |
| 23:52.37 | findlay | well, joshc over here there's the sky which happens to appear blue today since Raleigh scattering decreases as the wavelength shortens |
| 23:52.40 | joshc | so like, trying to find engineers in utah has been amazingly difficult |
| 23:52.55 | joshc | i'm not sure why |
| 23:52.57 | *** join/#utah jsmith (~jsmith@64.50.35.114.2O7.net) |
| 23:52.58 | Jayce^ | noticed your 'plethora of posts' |
| 23:53.05 | joshc | hehe. yeah - lots o posts.. |
| 23:53.11 | joshc | hope they arent too obnoxious |
| 23:53.13 | Jayce^ | you getting overwhelmed with the underqualified? |
| 23:53.24 | Jayce^ | no, hard to call job posts obnoxious :-p |
| 23:53.28 | sjansen | obnoxious? no |
| 23:53.35 | joshc | actually - the responses have been pretty thin |
| 23:53.43 | joshc | i've got a couple of good candidates i'm working with |
| 23:53.56 | joshc | but i dont know if my initial posting of "hey - if you suck, dont botther" scared people away. |
| 23:53.58 | Jayce^ | really, interesting... about this time last year, a single post would get swamped.. |
| 23:54.07 | wps | howdy, xbmodder |
| 23:54.08 | Jayce^ | last few people to post have been getting far less people... |
| 23:54.25 | joshc | hm, so is everyone happy with their jobs..? or is everyone nervous about startups? |
| 23:54.28 | Jayce^ | joshc, no, that's a necessary evil... I'm sick of getting lousy resume's from folks. |
| 23:54.43 | Jayce^ | I know the job market has picked up quite a bit.. |
| 23:55.01 | Jayce^ | of course, the PHP part kept me away :-p |
| 23:55.07 | Jayce^ | but everybody knows that about me |
| 23:55.08 | joshc | so, where do people usually put job posts? |
| 23:55.21 | joshc | hehe - i know. of course, for you, maybe the P in lamp could be perl... |
| 23:55.28 | xbmodder_lappy | wps, not to howdy |
| 23:55.31 | Jayce^ | that's exactly what it means.. |
| 23:55.35 | joshc | lol. |
| 23:55.57 | Jayce^ | well, until recently, people were getting innundated by resumes when posting with us.. |
| 23:56.10 | sjansen | lamp: linux, apache, my first love: postgresql, and perl |
| 23:56.11 | joshc | i cant find any technical recruiters in utah either |
| 23:56.31 | joshc | i think that's odd. do people post in the newspapers? telephone poles..? |
| 23:56.34 | wps | most employers posting to uphpu-jobs-announce have reported similar things lately (that response has been thin) |
| 23:56.37 | Jayce^ | the few recruiters I've worked with in Utah, I would never recommend |
| 23:56.44 | xbmodder_lappy | i think AIDs research (for cures)=0 |
| 23:57.09 | Jayce^ | newspapers works some.. of course your monster/etc type boards have mixed results.. |
| 23:57.13 | xbmodder_lappy | they should work more on test kits... etc... harsher penaltys |
| 23:57.14 | joshc | yeah, recruiters are pretty painful generally - but doing a google for "utah, recruiter" sheds no light |
| 23:57.39 | Jayce^ | bakc in the boom, we had some recruiters always hovering around us.. (plug) |
| 23:57.42 | joshc | i worry about anyone looking for a job via monster. |
| 23:58.08 | joshc | my first $2K referral bonus got lots of response (the win32 position) |
| 23:58.19 | joshc | but the lamp and the parallel systems guy have gotten very little. |
| 23:58.32 | joshc | which surprised me, i would've thought it would be the opposite. |
| 23:58.40 | Jayce^ | best guys I knew for the parallel systems are all well established.. |
| 23:58.52 | Jayce^ | the win32's are the ones with less options out there |
| 23:58.53 | Maquis | joshc: your problem is, you're looking for jobs that i'm not qualified for... :) |
| 23:58.56 | Jayce^ | that I know of.. |
| 23:59.13 | joshc | they usually are, but parallel sys architects can;t resist a green field opportunity... ;-) |
| 23:59.24 | joshc | sorry maquis. ;-) |
| 23:59.54 | Jayce^ | wonder if thayne wants out of LN.. |
| 23:59.56 | Jayce^ | :) |
